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thesteelersreport.com
09-03-2009, 07:59 PM
Who is IN? Who is on PS? Who is CUT?

Is Davis expendable with Redman and/or Summers?

And do we really need to see any more of Logan? The kid could get hurt for no reason....

HometownGal
09-03-2009, 08:01 PM
I'll wait until the end of the game to make my prediction. Logan is the only one, imho, who is a lock for a spot.

Steel Head
09-03-2009, 08:01 PM
good tough question, that's why the coaches get paid the big bucks

it's a tough call. I just hope we dont cut McDonald, he could be starting on the Ravens the next day

MACH1
09-03-2009, 08:02 PM
I'll wait until the end of the game to make my prediction. Logan is the only one, imho, who is a lock for a spot.

I agree. Logan earned his spot tonight.

BKAnthem
09-03-2009, 08:10 PM
Besides Ward and Holmes...Mcdonald is the only other sure handed receiver on the roster

Bluedust
09-03-2009, 08:18 PM
I feel we need to sign McDonald, if nothing else just an insurance policy.

We don't know how well Wallace will be, and the same goes for Sweed. Yeah they look good now but it's preseason.

STEELtownHAVOX
09-03-2009, 08:21 PM
Besides Ward and Holmes...Mcdonald is the only other sure handed receiver on the roster

very valid point.

Steel Head
09-03-2009, 08:30 PM
I agree. Logan earned his spot tonight.

he already earned his spot before tonight imo

sharkweek
09-03-2009, 08:34 PM
Besides Ward and Holmes...Mcdonald is the only other sure handed receiver on the roster

right, we already have sure handed receivers, what we need now is the big play threat

Sweed is our best bet there, Wallace another capable choice. McDonald might make a reliable 5th.

Steeldude
09-03-2009, 08:40 PM
Besides Ward and Holmes...Mcdonald is the only other sure handed receiver on the roster

IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now

Steel Head
09-03-2009, 08:43 PM
IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now

yeah, Holmes hasn't proved a thing yet

:rolleyes:

Steeldude
09-03-2009, 08:48 PM
my guess is parker, moore, summers, mendenhall and either redman or davis for the final spot

and for WRs it's ward, holmes, sweed, mcdonald, wallace and logan.

logan will listed as WR, but will mainly be a KR/PR

Steeldude
09-03-2009, 08:50 PM
yeah, Holmes hasn't proved a thing yet

:rolleyes:

another moronic reply from the MB's anointed lemming.

thought you were ignoring me, kid? run along before i ask you a question about the steelers that you can't find on wikipedia :wave:

btw, the offer still stands. when you gather the courage to debate me on hampton let me know.

sharkweek
09-03-2009, 08:52 PM
IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now

Do you even watch Steelers games? Before his Superbowl performance, if anything Holmes was best know for clutch 3rd down catches. He gave himself a bad rep fumbling balls on punt returns, but never has he looked horrible as a WR.

Steeldude
09-03-2009, 08:57 PM
Do you even watch Steelers games

do you? holmes isn't known for sure hands...yet. i never said or even implied that he can't catch.

but never has he looked horrible as a WR

did i say he look horrible at anytime? please copy and paste where i said it.

Steel Head
09-03-2009, 08:58 PM
Do you even watch Steelers games? Before his Superbowl performance, if anything Holmes was best know for clutch 3rd down catches. He gave himself a bad rep fumbling balls on punt returns, but never has he looked horrible as a WR.

steeldude knows very little about football

Steeldude
09-03-2009, 09:15 PM
steeldude knows very little about football

which would mean you know less because you are too cowardly to debate football.

let me know when you gather the courage. as of now you are acting like a typical raiders' fan :doh:

Steel Head
09-03-2009, 09:26 PM
which would mean you know less because you are too cowardly to debate football.

let me know when you gather the courage. as of now you are acting like a typical raiders' fan :doh:

As soons as/If you ever gain intelligence, i will debate you on anything. You've made 2 idiot arguments that I'm not going to even waste my time debating because they are so dumb

1 - we are better off without Hampton because he is too fat; and now tonight's gem....

2 - Holmes is not a sure-handed receiver (guess we can't count on him to come through in the clutch huh?)

lol

steeltheone
09-03-2009, 09:38 PM
Mcdonald needs to stay and so does Redman....He looks 3x better than Mendy

MDSteel15
09-03-2009, 09:49 PM
Wow! He really said we'd be better off without the Pork chop!!!! Are you seriously demented?

HometownGal
09-03-2009, 09:50 PM
OK - now that the game is over, I'd have to say Rednan and McDonald are locks. I'm still up in the air about Summers and sad to say - Carey Davis goes :wave:

StainlessStill
09-03-2009, 09:51 PM
You just saw from the previous games that Logan kept growing, and growing and growing, until he finally exploded. Each time he got the ball was exhilarating and exciting, you just knew and felt he was going to take it to the house. What a bright spot and find for this team. Stefan Logan, Welcome to the Pittsburgh Steelers.:tt02::helmet:

Redman proved he was no laughing matter, and his performance stuck. The odd man out is Carey Davis, without question. It is now time to defend our title.

How many receivers are we keeping? 5? (Holmes, Ward, Sweed, Wallace, McDonald.) Looks like we might keep 4 running backs and possibly groom Redman to be a blocking fullback. Too much potential for the Practice Squad.

Steel_Bus_24
09-03-2009, 09:54 PM
Logan was nasty....I think Bruce Davis is the surprise cut

steelwalls
09-03-2009, 09:54 PM
I dont know...Summers was throwing people around though.

It is good that we can even have this discussion. IMO we are going to be better than last year....a scary thought for other teams.

BlastFurnace
09-03-2009, 09:54 PM
We need to find a way to keep Shawn McDonald, Sonny Harris, and Redman...especially Harris.

I'm torn between Burnett and Ratliff.

Steel Head
09-03-2009, 09:55 PM
OK - now that the game is over, I'd have to say Rednan and McDonald are locks. I'm still up in the air about Summers and sad to say - Carey Davis goes :wave:

Yeah, I really hope they keep Redman. They just can't roll the dice and risk losing him by putting him on the practice squad. He will be even more valuable next year if Parker leaves via free agency

BlastFurnace
09-03-2009, 09:55 PM
Logan was nasty....I think Bruce Davis is the surprise cut

I'm not sure that Davis is a surprise cut any longer.

stb_steeler
09-03-2009, 10:03 PM
Logans already calling the realestate agent for house in Pitt. I also hope Redman gets to do the same. Both are getting better day by day.

Fire Haley
09-03-2009, 10:04 PM
Logan/Redman/Legursky/Mundy, I think are locks

StainlessStill
09-03-2009, 10:05 PM
Logan/Redman/Legursky/Mundy, I think are locks

Agreed.

StainlessStill
09-03-2009, 10:07 PM
We need to find a way to keep Shawn McDonald, Sonny Harris, and Redman...especially Harris.

I'm torn between Burnett and Ratliff.

Ratliff is a nice fit and a good guy to have around since he is a veteran and basically can play any position in the secondary. He can play FS also, and it won't hurt to add depth there. Burnett is a nice tackler, but he'll make his case next year.

The Lakelander
09-03-2009, 10:14 PM
Ratliff took a step backwards tonight if you ask me.

So did Joe Burnett.

Bruce Davis is gone!

Sonny Harris made this team.

Justin Vincent is gone.

Logan can't be the 5th WR. He is a "specialist".

McDonald is in.

Arnold Harrison made this team.

The injury to Woods may have made room for Bailey, at least for now. Bailey is too valuable on coverage if Woods is out for any time.

Polamalu is on the bubble.

Summers played pretty damn good as a lead blocker but did he do enough?

Redman ... tell me Mendenhall makes that TD run ... !!! ... No way!

Looks like Hines is on the way out. Grisham is far better.

Mundy made this team tonight.

Berger's phone is ringing tonight.

David Johnson found his way onto the practice squad.

Fire Haley
09-03-2009, 10:25 PM
Originally Posted by Killer
Logan/Redman/Legursky/Mundy, I think are locks


Agreed.

I want to thank Justin for the whole feeed --- yeah, Panther fan chicks are all hookers:tt03::tt03::tt03:

sharkweek
09-03-2009, 11:20 PM
do you? holmes isn't known for sure hands...yet. i never said or even implied that he can't catch.
If you did watch the Steelers, and particularly Holmes from day one, even when he wasn't super impressive he was snagging crucial 3rd down conversions in the clutch. I'm not sure what you consider sure hands, he catches the ball when they need him to.

did i say he look horrible at anytime? please copy and paste where i said it.
You're saying he doesn't have 'sure hands'. Did you not watch the Superbowl, and the Steelers' last drive in particular? My comment about 'horrible' was that the only area Holmes has ever been shaky in was when he was returning kicks, whereas a player like Sweed has actually had problems dropping the ball when receiving. There is no room to claim Holmes does not have sure hands when we're comparing him to a receiver like Sweed (who has actually made great strides in improving in that department). You really just made yourself look like a fool.

Seriously, when we want to have a receiver that absolutely must catch a ball, you're basically telling us that we shouldn't throw it to Holmes after everything he's shown us...

X-Terminator
09-03-2009, 11:22 PM
I know I was one of the most vocal members saying that Redman would not make the team...I'd now be surprised if he didn't. That 10-yard TD run alone made a believer out of me. The kid has earned his roster spot.

I'm praying like hell that The Tank makes the team over Carey Davis.

X-Terminator
09-03-2009, 11:25 PM
If you did watch the Steelers, and particularly Holmes from day one, even when he wasn't super impressive he was snagging crucial 3rd down conversions in the clutch. I'm not sure what you consider sure hands, he catches the ball when they need him to.


You're saying he doesn't have 'sure hands'. Did you not watch the Superbowl, and the Steelers' last drive in particular? My comment about 'horrible' was that the only area Holmes has ever been shaky in was when he was returning kicks, whereas a player like Sweed has actually had problems dropping the ball when receiving. There is no room to claim Holmes does not have sure hands when we're comparing him to a receiver like Sweed (who has actually made great strides in improving in that department). You really just made yourself look like a fool.

Seriously, when we want to have a receiver that absolutely must catch a ball, you're basically telling us that we shouldn't throw it to Holmes after everything he's shown us...

You seriously got all that from Steeldude's post? All he said was that Ward is the most sure-handed WR on the team. And he's right. It doesn't mean that Holmes isn't any good, and he never said, implied and likely even thought that.

sharkweek
09-03-2009, 11:30 PM
You seriously got all that from Steeldude's post? All he said was that Ward is the most sure-handed WR on the team. And he's right. It doesn't mean that Holmes isn't any good, and he never said, implied and likely even thought that.

The original argument was made by someone who claimed that only Hines and Holmes had sure hands and thus wanted McDonalds as a WR because of his "sure hands" (or at least surer hands than Sweed/Wallace/etc). Steeldude then came in and said only Hines had sure hands...

See for yourself:

IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now

X-Terminator
09-03-2009, 11:34 PM
The original argument was made by someone who claimed that only Hines and Holmes had sure hands and thus wanted McDonalds as a WR because of his "sure hands" (or at least surer hands than Sweed/Wallace/etc). Steeldude then came in and said only Hines had sure hands...

See for yourself:

I saw that, and while I wouldn't say the "only" sure-handed receiver, Hines definitely is the MOST sure-handed of the bunch. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant; if not, he can clarify.

stb_steeler
09-03-2009, 11:36 PM
Ratliff took a step backwards tonight if you ask me.

So did Joe Burnett.

Bruce Davis is gone!

Sonny Harris made this team.

Justin Vincent is gone.

Logan can't be the 5th WR. He is a "specialist".

McDonald is in.

Arnold Harrison made this team.

The injury to Woods may have made room for Bailey, at least for now. Bailey is too valuable on coverage if Woods is out for any time.

Polamalu is on the bubble.

Summers played pretty damn good as a lead blocker but did he do enough?

Redman ... tell me Mendenhall makes that TD run ... !!! ... No way!

Looks like Hines is on the way out. Grisham is far better.

Mundy made this team tonight.

Berger's phone is ringing tonight.

David Johnson found his way onto the practice squad.

Polamalu on the bubble....Hines on way out.....WTF you are kidding right?:rofl: Bergers phones ringing......Good one!

sharkweek
09-03-2009, 11:42 PM
I saw that, and while I wouldn't say the "only" sure-handed receiver, Hines definitely is the MOST sure-handed of the bunch. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant; if not, he can clarify.

His quote said only, if he meant what you're saying then he's still not very bright now is he.

Also, do you think Ward makes that same TD catch Holmes had in the Superbowl? While Ward certainly has a knack for hanging on to balls thrown his way (especially after taking a huge hit), I'm not sure he's athletic enough anymore (given his aging) to make catches like that.

There's no doubting Hines is "old reliable". But that doesn't necessarily make him better than "new reliable" because that's exactly what Holmes has been. Show me the dropped pass stats that make Ward irrefutably better and maybe I'll believe you, but I've seen too many clutch 3rd down/TD catches from Holmes to think he's anywhere significantly less than Hines.

Polamalu on the bubble....Hines on way out.....WTF you are kidding right?:rofl: Bergers phones ringing......Good one!

Yeah, he definitely threw those in there for a joke :flap:

Steeldude
09-04-2009, 12:07 AM
As soons as/If you ever gain intelligence, i will debate you on anything. You've made 2 idiot arguments that I'm not going to even waste my time debating because they are so dumb

1 - we are better off without Hampton because he is too fat; and now tonight's gem....

2 - Holmes is not a sure-handed receiver (guess we can't count on him to come through in the clutch huh?)

lol

again you run away. why so afraid? come on, coward, stop shooting your little teenage mouth off and debate me on hampton. don't post another typical raiders' fan copout post.

we are better off without Hampton because he is too fat

please copy and paste where i said that or admit you are lying. your choice.:popcorn:

guess we can't count on him to come through in the clutch huh

well if that's how you feel

Steeldude
09-04-2009, 12:10 AM
I saw that, and while I wouldn't say the "only" sure-handed receiver, Hines definitely is the MOST sure-handed of the bunch. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant; if not, he can clarify.

x-terminator, you had no problem understanding it. i don't see how it went over their heads.

sharkweek
09-04-2009, 12:17 AM
x-terminator, you had no problem understanding it. i don't see how it went over their heads.

Then English must be a second language for you. You stated that it was your opinion that only Ward had "sure hands"

I'll quote you again:

IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now

The only room for error your statement leaves is that WRs other than Ward have the potential to become "sure-handed", however "as of now" you would not consider (per your stated opinion) a player like Holmes as having sure hands.

X-Terminator
09-04-2009, 12:24 AM
His quote said only, if he meant what you're saying then he's still not very bright now is he.

Also, do you think Ward makes that same TD catch Holmes had in the Superbowl? While Ward certainly has a knack for hanging on to balls thrown his way (especially after taking a huge hit), I'm not sure he's athletic enough anymore (given his aging) to make catches like that.

There's no doubting Hines is "old reliable". But that doesn't necessarily make him better than "new reliable" because that's exactly what Holmes has been. Show me the dropped pass stats that make Ward irrefutably better and maybe I'll believe you, but I've seen too many clutch 3rd down/TD catches from Holmes to think he's anywhere significantly less than Hines.

Last year, Hines had 7 drops, Holmes had 6, according to http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232. Not really much of a difference, until you consider that Santo had almost as many drops as Hines in far fewer opportunities (Hines had 81 receptions; Holmes 55). That right there is proof that Hines is the more sure-handed of the two.

As for the SB catch, you're correct that Hines doesn't make that catch because Holmes is a better athlete at this stage of their careers. That still doesn't make him less reliable than Holmes when you absolutely need a clutch 3rd down reception.

Steeldude
09-04-2009, 12:26 AM
here are some stats for you, sharkman...

holmes:

receptions - 55
yards - 821
avg - 14.9
TDs - 5
targeted - 114
drops - 6
percent passes caught - 48.2%
percent 1st down - 35.1%


washington:

receptions - 40
yards - 631
avg - 15.8
TDs - 3
targeted - 78
drops - 4
percent caught - 51.3%
percent 1st down - 32.1%


ward:

receptions - 81
yards - 1,043
avg - 12.9
TDs - 7
targeted - 125
drops - 7
percent caught - 64.8%
percent 1st down - 44%

onefortheotherhand
09-04-2009, 12:28 AM
when the profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfilter did this become the blast furnace..this thread was about who would make the team not about who the most sure handed receivers or casey hampton?!

Steeldude
09-04-2009, 12:35 AM
onefortheotherhand, as many threads do, they morph into something else. you are right though, this thread was about "LOGAN's in...what about Davis, Redman, Summers, McDonald", but it changed slightly when talking about mcdonald and the group of WRs on the team

onefortheotherhand
09-04-2009, 12:40 AM
onefortheotherhand, as many threads do, they morph into something else. you are right though, this thread was about "LOGAN's in...what about Davis, Redman, Summers, McDonald", but it changed slightly when talking about mcdonald and the group of WRs on the team

you and steelhead should just make a thread where you can epically argue :noidea:

sharkweek
09-04-2009, 12:44 AM
Last year, Hines had 7 drops, Holmes had 6, according to http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&type=Receiving&rank=232. Not really much of a difference, until you consider that Santo had almost as many drops as Hines in far fewer opportunities (Hines had 81 receptions; Holmes 55). That right there is proof that Hines is the more sure-handed of the two.
Its evidence, not proof. Those stats tell us nothing of the importance of the play nor the degree of difficulty of the catch. Again, I wouldn't deny Hines as being slightly more sure handed, but the original argument was that Steeldude claimed Holmes flat out was not sure-handed. Maybe in his opinion, but certainly not mine or most of us here.

As for the SB catch, you're correct that Hines doesn't make that catch because Holmes is a better athlete at this stage of their careers. That still doesn't make him less reliable than Holmes when you absolutely need a clutch 3rd down reception.
It can make him less reliable if the defense forces the pass to be an acrobatic catch. Its all situational though.

onefortheotherhand
09-04-2009, 12:50 AM
i hate to get into this argument but really? you think hines in only slightly more sure handed? he catches any pass that comes his way usually in traffic too...while ton is split out and running longer routes..also hines is slower then ton so the defender is usually more up on him

X-Terminator
09-04-2009, 12:52 AM
Its evidence, not proof. Those stats tell us nothing of the importance of the play nor the degree of difficulty of the catch. Again, I wouldn't deny Hines as being slightly more sure handed, but the original argument was that Steeldude claimed Holmes flat out was not sure-handed. Maybe in his opinion, but certainly not mine or most of us here.

I'm still not seeing where he said that Holmes was not sure-handed. I think the term "only" was misused, when he really meant "most." And he certainly never said he was unreliable. That's obviously BS just based on the final drive of the SB alone.

It can make him less reliable if the defense forces the pass to be an acrobatic catch. Its all situational though.

Yes, it is. And let's not kid ourselves - Hines has made his share of acrobatic catches, especially ones where he's had to jump in traffic or with a defender bearing down on him to make catches, since Ben sometimes throws the ball high. He made quite a few of those last season.

sharkweek
09-04-2009, 01:00 AM
I'm still not seeing where he said that Holmes was not sure-handed. I think the term "only" was misused, when he really meant "most." And he certainly never said he was unreliable. That's obviously BS just based on the final drive of the SB alone.
I've made mention of it several times and he still has yet to admit a misstatement on his part :noidea:

Of course this happens all the time on the internet, where you must never admit mistake or inferiority in anyway, you're always right all the time, no matter what :flap:



Yes, it is. And let's not kid ourselves - Hines has made his share of acrobatic catches, especially ones where he's had to jump in traffic or with a defender bearing down on him to make catches, since Ben sometimes throws the ball high. He made quite a few of those last season.
Don't get me wrong here, I think Hines is hands down one of the best (if note the best) when it comes to making a catch where the receiver gets absolutely drilled immediately after; he's easily one of the toughest players in the game and its why so many defenders hate him - he just pops up with a huge grin on his face as if getting jacked up was the best thing that could have happened to him.

The best part is his leadership though, watching players like Holmes and Sweed learn how to be a proper blocker and take tough hits is much thanks to Ward.

CaliStillersFan
09-04-2009, 01:45 AM
I think McDonald is a lock, he'll make an great number 3 if Sweed reverts to his old ways. I also think Logan, Mundy, Redman are all locks. Neither Summers nor Davis showed anything special in the pre season so who cares which stays. I also think that dude who's name I don't know how to spell that can play multiple positions on the line makes it - Leg-I'll learn to spell your name when you make the team-sky LOL. Playing more than 1 position with our line has to be a good thing. Not sure if he is any good or not but versatility should pay off for him.

I'm so fired up for the season, I hope Logan returns one in the 1st game against Tenn. We got our punter back, and now we have a return man. The only thing I'm worried about this season is when am I going to take a leak during the games now? Having no return man for the past few seasons, I've gotten used to using special teams to make the break to the bathroom. :drink:


:tt03:

Steeldude
09-04-2009, 03:15 AM
You're saying he doesn't have 'sure hands'. Did you not watch the Superbowl, and the Steelers' last drive in particular?

yeah, the one with basic, leaning catch and the one that went through his hands? no real difficulty in standing on your toes to catch a ball, even when falling. to you it might seem difficult, but to me it is a catch every NFL WR should make.

so you are using one game to justify his career so far? it's great that he made the catch and helped win the SB, but i can take one game and use it to justify a career for every NFL player to date.

i said "IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now". IMO, holmes has an average set of hands as of now.

There is no room to claim Holmes does not have sure hands when we're comparing him to a receiver like Sweed (who has actually made great strides in improving in that department). You really just made yourself look like a fool

did i compare holmes' hands to sweed's? no. and sure there is room so say holmes doesn't have sure hands. games and stats help show that

Preacher
09-04-2009, 03:57 AM
OK - now that the game is over, I'd have to say Rednan and McDonald are locks. I'm still up in the air about Summers and sad to say - Carey Davis goes :wave:

Yeah, as I have posted in other places, I think Davis' stay here is dependent on two things. 1. How bad McHugh is hurt and 2. If the coaches think they can get the Tank on teh PS without being plucked off the wire.

If McHugh is out for any length of time, I don't think Davis goes. If they think they can get the Tank onto the practice squad without a cellar-dweller picking him up, I think Davis stays.

But if McHugh is going to be ok in the next couple of weeks to play and the coaches think the Tank will get plucked... I think you are right. Davis goes :wave:.

Steelers & I
09-04-2009, 04:30 AM
Yeah, as I have posted in other places, I think Davis' stay here is dependent on two things. 1. How bad McHugh is hurt and 2. If the coaches think they can get the Tank on teh PS without being plucked off the wire.

If McHugh is out for any length of time, I don't think Davis goes. If they think they can get the Tank onto the practice squad without a cellar-dweller picking him up, I think Davis stays.

But if McHugh is going to be ok in the next couple of weeks to play and the coaches think the Tank will get plucked... I think you are right. Davis goes :wave:.

:bricks: That's was quite the defense you put up for Carey Davis. It's in the jurors hands now. :popcorn:

Preacher
09-04-2009, 04:33 AM
:bricks: That's was quite a defense you put up for Carey Davis. It's in the jurors hands now. :popcorn:

LOL..

Actually, I didn't put up any defense for Davis as much as I questioned how people jump to conclusions about players.

Personally, I think Redmon made Davis' stay much more indefinite. ESPECIALLY since Davis is injured right now.

sharkweek
09-04-2009, 04:49 AM
yeah, the one with basic, leaning catch and the one that went through his hands? no real difficulty in standing on your toes to catch a ball, even when falling. to you it might seem difficult, but to me it is a catch every NFL WR should make.
Not just me, but most people. You're in the minority here.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d80e9dafb/Sabol-s-Shot-Greatest-TD-catch

so you are using one game to justify his career so far? it's great that he made the catch and helped win the SB, but i can take one game and use it to justify a career for every NFL player to date.
No, I'm not just basing it off of one game (where he actually won MVP mind you). I'm basing it off of several games, which is why I've asked if you even watch Steeler games because Holmes (even in his brief career) has made quite the habit of hauling in crucial 3rd down/TD/2pt converting catches. Basic drop ball stats don't tell the whole story. I (and I'm sure most fans) wouldn't care if Holmes dropped every ball thrown to him on 1st and 2nd down as long as he caught every ball on 3rd and 4th. Of course that's a gross exageration, but Holmes makes the plays we need him to, he's very reliable.

Sure, for the sake of argument, Ward does have the better "hands" statistically speaking. But, again, the original argument was ultimately about the reliability of our #1 and #2 WRs. His hands are sure enough for me, but apparently not for you. That's fine. But you have to understand that you're nit picking over stupid things right now, and this is what frustrates others like myself and Steel Head.

If you want to get technical, I could argue "sure hands" means 0 dropped passed, of which Ward does have some, and thus he would not be sure handed. That's basically what you're doing right now, but with a less ridiculous standard.

i said "IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now". IMO, holmes has an average set of hands as of now.
That's your prerogative, but I think most Steelers fans would consider Holmes a reliable go-to guy, which is what this whole mess of a debate boils down to and originates from anyways. We have Ward and Holmes as given starting WRs, the question is who are we going to have beyond that? Sweed seems a given, he's shown improvement and he has size (which can't be taught or improved). The rest comes down to filling out the other two spots, of which someone in this thread likes McDonald specifically for his hands as he felt he is a reliable receiver.

did i compare holmes' hands to sweed's? no.
At the moment, the significant player who is most known specifically for dropped balls is Sweed, so I brought him up as a point of reference, but apparently you cannot handle such a complex notion. How dare I bring up something that challenges what you said even if you didn't directly talk about it. :rolleyes: You challenged Steel Head to a debate, but if you can't handle something so simple I'd avoid debating if I were you.

and sure there is room so say holmes doesn't have sure hands. games and stats help show that
He does his job well enough to the point where I cannot vividly picture any of his dropped passes or negative plays (outside his fiasco kick returns at the start of his career), but I can recall a relative sea of big time catches and plays he has produced. Again, I'll bring up Sweed as a reference (hopefully your brain doesn't explode) as he is vividly known for dropping what would have most likely been an easy TD pass in the AFC Championship against Baltimore even though he was wide open. In that sense, Holmes does have sure hands. And that's all this whole BS was originally about to begin with.

SteelMember
09-04-2009, 07:40 AM
Logan was nasty....I think Bruce Davis is the surprise cut

I don't think that would be a suprise.

Logan/Redman/Legursky/Mundy, I think are locks

If Mundy makes it, I think it was Ratliff's spot to lose.
Polamalu on the bubble....Hines on way out.....WTF you are kidding right?:rofl: Bergers phones ringing......Good one!

:toofunny:

I think he was just making sure everyone read his entire post.

So question at hand...

Davis, C......I think he sticks as the FB.

Redman....Stays as the 4th RB.

Summers....Haven't seen enough to break the 53. Definate PS posibility.

McDonald....Makes it, no matter where in the depth chart you care to put him.

The Lakelander
09-04-2009, 07:56 AM
I don't think that would be a suprise.



If Mundy makes it, I think it was Ratliff's spot to lose.


:toofunny:

I think he was just making sure everyone read his entire post.

So question at hand...

Davis, C......I think he sticks as the FB.

Redman....Stays as the 4th RB.

Summers....Haven't seen enough to break the 53. Definate PS posibility.

McDonald....Makes it, no matter where in the depth chart you care to put him.


I think this is exactly it.

I'm betting that Summers would have indeed knocked off Davis with more reps, but that hamstring was what did him in.

It's the coaches faults. The coaches abused him during just one practice to create the hammy issue.

I hate Davis even more now.

It's like watching a prize fight where the underdog throws the better punches and takes the fight to the champ, but then slips on the canvas one time. So the champ withstands for 15 rounds and the judges give it to him because the youngster didn't knock him out. :banging:

Steeldude
09-04-2009, 08:32 AM
Not just me, but most people. You're in the minority here

like when i said kordell wasn't a good QB and never will be, back in 97. i was the minority then. my opinion stands, the catch is one every NFL WR should make. i saw nothing difficult about it. why no mention of the pass before the TD catch? went right through his hands. i guess that doesn't fit into your biased agenda.

I'm basing it off of several games

lol...several games huh? why not base it off his career?

has made quite the habit of hauling in crucial 3rd down/TD/2pt converting catches

and so have other WRs with average hands throughout the history of the NFL. your point?

His hands are sure enough for me

well then there you go. that is your own opinion and i stated mine.

But you have to understand that you're nit picking over stupid things right now, and this is what frustrates others like myself and Steel Head

you are the one nitpicking and steel head is just a loudmouth teenager who probably became a steelers' fan last season.

That's basically what you're doing right now

i am? then prove it. don't keep spewing trash over and over.

That's your prerogative His hands are sure enough for me, but apparently not for you. That's fine

then why are you still whining about it?

How dare I bring up something that challenges what you said even if you didn't directly talk about it

bringing up sweed did nothing but show how you drift to absurd analogies and deliberately misread people's posts. bravo.

but if you can't handle something so simple I'd avoid debating if I were you

so far all you have done is say you based holmes hands on several games. i used a season and you handpicked a few games. if you can't make a valid argument to sway a person's opinion, then you should avoid doing so in the future.

again you compare a rookie WR to a veteran...lmao. is that the best you can do? if you don't like my opinion on holmes' hands then ignore it. don't start getting your panties in a bunch and make lame comments about basing a few games equates to sure-hands. as of now, you have shown nothing to change my opinion of holmes possessing average hands during his NFL career so far. IMO, as of now holmes has an average set of NFL WR hands.

Steelerfreak58
09-04-2009, 08:53 AM
IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now

No mention of Miller.... wtf!:wink02:

Steeldude
09-04-2009, 09:17 AM
No mention of Miller.... wtf!:wink02:

i forgot about miller. i was thinking about the WRs. miller has some good hands. :cheers:

zsheik22
09-04-2009, 09:19 AM
Heath Miller makes you love the game. That is a man who takes every ounce of heart he can muster and goes out there and plays his tail off.




Heath Miller for president.

Steel Head
09-04-2009, 10:49 AM
You seriously got all that from Steeldude's post? All he said was that Ward is the most sure-handed WR on the team. And he's right. It doesn't mean that Holmes isn't any good, and he never said, implied and likely even thought that.

NO, that's not what he said

Steeldude said Ward was our ONLY sure-handed receiver:

IMO, i would say ward is the only sure-handed WR as of now

X-Terminator
09-04-2009, 11:10 AM
NO, that's not what he said

Steeldude said Ward was our ONLY sure-handed receiver:

I've already been over this with another member, but I think he meant to say "most" instead of "only." The term was misused, IMO. I won't go into it any more than that, you can just read my previous exchange with sharkweek, and take it however you wish.

Psyychoward86
09-04-2009, 11:10 AM
Well, realistically speaking, yeah it's true, Ward, Miller, Moore, and from what we've seen in his career and his preseason McDonald should probably be in the mix there too as the guys with surehands on this team. Holmes is still young remember that, this could be his breakout year.

ocbubba
09-04-2009, 01:06 PM
I'd have to say that Davis is probably out...I'm also counting Logan in.

Steeldude
09-29-2009, 09:45 AM
...however "as of now" you would not consider (per your stated opinion) a player like Holmes as having sure hands.

shark, how have holmes' so-called sure hands been doing? :thumbsup:

BlastFurnace
09-29-2009, 09:49 AM
shark, how have holmes' so-called sure hands been doing? :thumbsup:

As a defense to Holmes, he hurt his hand early in the Chicago game. They said on ESPN Pittsburgh that he had difficulty doing anything with that hand all last week.

I saw him wince once when he tried to brace himself in the Cincy game.

AllD
09-29-2009, 02:04 PM
As a defense to Holmes, he hurt his hand early in the Chicago game. They said on ESPN Pittsburgh that he had difficulty doing anything with that hand all last week.

I saw him wince once when he tried to brace himself in the Cincy game.


If that is a fact, then he is in there as a decoy. Might as well bring up McDonald and quit trying to be cute.