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Stevo
09-08-2009, 05:56 AM
Great post by my boy Michael Wilbon from PTI. Finally, somebody with some sense.


http://views.washingtonpost.com/world-wide-wilbon/wilbon/2009/09/the_wilbon_index_top_nfl_teams.html?hpid=topnews


The Wilbon Index: Top NFL Teams

Every week, I'll post a top 10 poll for both pro and college football. The NFL is particularly difficult to gauge the very first week, but here goes:


1) Steelers - Why people are picking the Patriots over the defending champs is beyond confusing to me; it's stupid. The Steelers have won two Super Bowls since New England has won it all. The Patriots have lost five key defenders from the team that lost in the Super Bowl two years ago. The Steelers have 19 of 22 starters back to defend their championship. I said last year I'd take Ben Roethlisberger over any and all NFL QBs, and Tom Brady's return doesn't change that.

2) Vikings - Not only does Minnesota have Adrian Peterson but Brett Favre is passing the ball to Bernard Berrian (20.1 yards per catch last season) and the Vikes can work versatile rookie Percy Harvin into the offensive scheme wherever they want. Oh, and the defense is real good.

3) Falcons - History says Falcons can't do it; the franchise has never had back-to-back winning seasons. Michael Turner, don't forget, trailed only Peterson in rushing last year, with 1,699 yards. Like that the team used seven of eight draft picks on defense. NFC South won't be as tough since Tampa and Carolina look to be on the slide. Matt Ryan will get better, having Tony Gonzalez to throw to.

4) Chargers - Most talented team in the league. It all comes together this year and they reach the AFC title game.

5) Patriots - Coming back from a serious knee injury isn't a given, even for The Golden Boy, Tom Brady.Trade of Richard Seymour could suggest superior scouting or incredible arrogance, that whoever the Patriots put out there will be just fine. Careful, careful.

6) Cardinals - I know, I know, I know. Seven of the last eight teams to lose in the Super Bowl didn't make the playoffs the next year. But if this team doesn't have a chip on its shoulder, something's very wrong. Ken Whisenhunt is going to emerge after going to the Super Bowl, strangely enough, as a really top-drawer NFL coach. Cards have the best offense in the NFC and they begin the season knowing everybody thinks last season was a fluke.

7) Giants - Need their Steve Smith and rookies Hakeem Nicks and Ramses Barden to evolve quickly into big-time pass catchers. They won't be as good as their 11-1 start last year suggested but the NFC East will be tight, very tight.

8) Colts - How much will Tony Dungy's departure hurt Indy? Nothing suggests that Jim Caldwell is going to come in making a bunch of wacky changes. Peyton Manning didn't leave with Dungy, and neither did Dwight Freeney, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders, or most importantly the architect, Bill Polian.

9) Bears - The schedule is too difficult for the Bears to be more than 10-6, with 9-7 more likely. Jay Cutler has no No. 1 receiver. But, he is a legit No. 1 QB, which is rare in Chicago. And a competent offense will take pressure off the defense. Matt Forte accounted for a greater percentage of his team's yards from scrimmage (35) than any back in the league.

10) Eagles - Lot of changes for a conference finalist, some of them unwelcome, including the death of defensive coordinator supreme Jim Johnson. But finally, Donovan McNabb has some worthy targets in DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin, Jason Avant and Kevin Curtis, plus tight end Bret Celek.

Next Five: Ravens, Texans, Packers, Saints, Titans

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
09-08-2009, 05:59 AM
Where are the Bengals and Browns?

Steelers & I
09-08-2009, 06:07 AM
Where are the Bengals and Browns?


You'll have to scroll down until about February of 2011 if you want to see the Bengals and Browns.

Steelers & I
09-08-2009, 06:10 AM
These rankings aren't bad because the Steelers are on top. I think that the Vikings and Falcons are rated a bit high. I would be hesitant to rank any NFC team ahead of the Chargers and Patriots. The Ravens were probably disrespected a bit. Oh well, thanks for the respect shown to Roethlisberger and the Steelers Michael.

HometownGal
09-08-2009, 07:11 AM
I, too, believe the Falcs are rated too high, but at this point, who really knows? :noidea:

Nice to see our Steelers on top of yet another list. :applaudit::tt02:

mesaSteeler
09-08-2009, 07:29 AM
It's really nice to see a writer referring to the constant Cheatriot knob polishing that infects most of the media as "stupid".

steelpride12
09-08-2009, 07:42 AM
Good to see the Steelers on top of course, but why the Falc are that high is beyond me.
I like the fact that he addressed even with Brady back, he would take Big Ben over him anyday!

Ravnet
09-08-2009, 09:53 AM
I live in DC, and Wilbon's opinion on anything other than basketball is pretty much irrelevant.

Football is bad enough, but Mike on baseball is embarrassing; Wilbon and Kornheiser have superficial understandings of pretty much every sport apart from the one which they each over.

I'm not being defensive here, just pointing out the obvious.

CPanther95
09-08-2009, 09:56 AM
just pointing out the obvious.

I think "the obvious" is pretty obvious. The Ravens got dumped on, and you're angry.

Ravnet
09-08-2009, 10:00 AM
I think "the obvious" is pretty obvious. The Ravens got dumped on, and you're angry.

Why would I not have responded to all the other rankings that have disregard the Ravens, then?

I read this board regularly, and had every opportunity to "point out the obvious" in other threads as well.

These rankings are flawed as a whole in my opinion, but I apologize for speaking up.

steelreserve
09-08-2009, 10:01 AM
2) Vikings - Not only does Minnesota have Adrian Peterson but Brett Favre is passing the ball to Bernard Berrian (20.1 yards per catch last season) and the Vikes can work versatile rookie Percy Harvin into the offensive scheme wherever they want. Oh, and the defense is real good.

More like:

18) Vikings - Brett Favre: Torn rotator cuff, Week 5. Best you can hope for out of the passing game after that is that nobody gets killed.

revefsreleets
09-08-2009, 10:16 AM
I live in DC, and Wilbon's opinion on anything other than basketball is pretty much irrelevant.

Football is bad enough, but Mike on baseball is embarrassing; Wilbon and Kornheiser have superficial understandings of pretty much every sport apart from the one which they each over.

I'm not being defensive here, just pointing out the obvious.

Um...nevermind.

Silly...just silly. The Rats aren't on this list, and they shouldn't be on ANY top 10 list, because they are not and will not be a top 10 NFL team this year.

fansince'76
09-08-2009, 10:19 AM
I live in DC, and Wilbon's opinion on anything other than basketball is pretty much irrelevant.

Football is bad enough, but Mike on baseball is embarrassing; Wilbon and Kornheiser have superficial understandings of pretty much every sport apart from the one which they each over.

I'm not being defensive here, just pointing out the obvious.

Meh - these rankings by media types are pretty much meaningless to me anyway, regardless of where they rank the Steelers.

CPanther95
09-08-2009, 10:32 AM
Why would I not have responded to all the other rankings that have disregard the Ravens, then?

I read this board regularly, and had every opportunity to "point out the obvious" in other threads as well.

These rankings are flawed as a whole in my opinion, but I apologize for speaking up.

Relax - just a jab.

To your point. Here's one of my favorite Week 1 Power Rankings from last year:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dr_z/09/03/week.1/index.html

Ravnet
09-08-2009, 10:43 AM
Relax - just a jab.

To your point. Here's one of my favorite Week 1 Power Rankings from last year:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/dr_z/09/03/week.1/index.html

They're meaningless - agreed.

sharkweek
09-08-2009, 02:40 PM
lol, I had completely forgotten about Brady's foot...as did everyone else, considering his far more serious injury that he suffered the very first game of last season.

Perhaps he's beginning to break down...one can only hope :chuckle:

steelpride12
09-08-2009, 04:09 PM
Sportscenter also has agreed on the Steelers being ranked #1 which is nice, but week one Power Rankings doesn't mean much.
As well I don't like the Vikes ranked so high because Favre's injury chances are extremely high and if and when he goes out with injury that team stands no chance of even looking at the playoffs.

austinfrench76
09-08-2009, 06:56 PM
I've said on several post that I would take BB over any other quarterback in the league. Especially when it comes to the come from behind win and the thing I don't get is why no one is talking about how bad the Pats Defense is!?! They will not outscore everyone and cetainly not the Steelers!!! Go Steelers!

AllD
09-08-2009, 07:11 PM
Warner is one sack away from retirement.

NJarhead
09-08-2009, 07:18 PM
Did Drew Brees retire or something? The Saints had one of the highest (if not the highest) scoring offenses in the league last year. I keep hearing about an improved defense, yet they are on NO ONE's radar (except mine). WTH?? :noidea:

I love his comments about us though. It seems that as long as there is a Tom Brady, the Patriots will be the team to pick. :puke:

Shoes
09-08-2009, 07:37 PM
Come on Thursday!

Jackal
09-08-2009, 09:28 PM
Good to see Wilbon isn't drinking the Pats' Kool Aid. Finally, a media persona with some sense.

Blitzburgh 34
09-08-2009, 10:11 PM
It's really nice to see a writer referring to the constant Cheatriot knob polishing that infects most of the media as "stupid".

Exactly. That was the best part. Calling him the golden boy, and pointing out that we've won 2 since their last, and they lost 5 starters from last year alone lol.

As for the #2 and #3, that's bogus as hell. I was at the Vikes/Falcons game last year, and neither team was very impressive IMO. People think Mr. INT (Favre) is going to suddenly be the catalyst to put them over the top, but I don't see that at all. The OL can't pass block and Favre throws too many picks. The D was pretty damn good though....I'd say probably #2 behind the Steelers. As for the Falcons, they didn't impress me a bit, even though they won. It was more a question of the Vikings having no QB and thus being one dimensional on O, and having a couple key defenders hurt in that game.

I was also at the Eagles/Vikes playoff game. The Eagles weren't much at all. Desean Jackson was the only player that impressed me in the least, and I expect their D to suck now without Dawkins (who was too slow last year anyway) and Johnson gone (RIP). Again, the Vikes lost because of an idiot coach and no QB. I was sitting right behind the Vikes' bench, 2nd row or so, heckling the shit out of both Childress and Jackson late in the game after they'd cost the (otherwise) better team the game. Damn losers anyway.

So if I saw the #2, 3 and 10 teams in person last year, that's pretty bad cause I was NOT impressed. They were fringe playoff teams last year, and didn't do all that much to improve this year...Falcons did nothing, Vikes did nothing but Favre and Harvin...take that for what it's worth, and the Eagles had to have gotten WAY worse unless Maclin lights it up. Of course the Steelers are #1....that goes without saying.

Blitzburgh 34
09-08-2009, 10:18 PM
Did Drew Brees retire or something? The Saints had one of the highest (if not the highest) scoring offenses in the league last year. I keep hearing about an improved defense, yet they are on NO ONE's radar (except mine). WTH?? :noidea:

I love his comments about us though. It seems that as long as there is a Tom Brady, the Patriots will be the team to pick. :puke:

Well, their D sucked already, and the Starcaps thing is looming over Will Smith and one other player. So they could be without one of their best players on a weak D for 1/4 of the season. That might be part of it. But yeah I think they have a chance to be good since they have Brees and some good O weapons.

Blitzburgh 34
09-08-2009, 10:24 PM
Sportscenter also has agreed on the Steelers being ranked #1 which is nice, but week one Power Rankings doesn't mean much.
As well I don't like the Vikes ranked so high because Favre's injury chances are extremely high and if and when he goes out with injury that team stands no chance of even looking at the playoffs.

They made the playoffs last year with him not even on the team. The team gets EJ Henderson back instead of scrubs at MLB, and Adrian just keeps getting better. Add to that Percy Harvin and much improved STs, and they should easily be a playoff team, barring major injuries and suspensions (Williams wall). So that's just a false statement. They return their entire team, literally, except Matt Birk who was going downhill in a hurry anyway, from the their playoff team last year.