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mesaSteeler
09-11-2009, 08:06 AM
Steelers halt contract talks for season
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_642595.html#
By Scott Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, September 11, 2009

The start of the regular season Thursday night also marked the end of the period in which the Steelers engage in contract negotiations.

Starters in the final year of their contracts include free safety Ryan Clark, right tackle Willie Colon, nose tackle Casey Hampton, running back Willie Parker and kicker Jeff Reed.

All will become unrestricted free agents at the end of the season with the possible exception of Colon. If the players and owners don't reach a new collective bargaining agreement before next March, Colon will only be a restricted free agent.

"It's in the back of my mind but I've got to do my best to get it out (of there)," Hampton said earlier this week about not getting a new deal. "I will play for many more years. There ain't no question about that. Hopefully it's here. At the end of the day, it's a business and you have to treat it as such."

Reed said he will kick through a nagging ankle injury this season. His left ankle, Reed added, has been bothering him for the last couple of years.

"This is the worst it's been," said Reed, who didn't kick in the Steelers' third preseason game because of a bad ankle, "but at this point I want to be a part of the team as much as you possibly can be."

Reed said he won't use his ankle as an excuse if he makes a bad kick and shrugged off the possibility that it will affect his play.

"Play through some pain," he said, "just like everybody else does."

Steelers inside linebacker Lawrence Timmons didn't play in the opener because of a sprained left ankle. Keyaron Fox replaced Timmons at right inside linebacker and made his first start as a Steeler and the fifth one of his career. Joining Timmons on the Steelers' inactives list were cornerback Joe Burnett and Keiwan Ratliff, wide receiver Shaun McDonald, defensive end Nick Eason, offensive tackle Tony Hills and guard Kraig Urbik. Dennis Dixon served as the Steelers' No. 3 quarterback.

Wide receiver Nate Washington started against this former team despite a hamstring injury that had put his status for the game in question. Washington signed with the Titans last March after spending the first five years of his career with the Steelers. Tight end Jared Cook didn't play last night because of an ankle injury. Also inactive for the Titans were cornerback Ryan Mouton, running back Chris Henry, offensive lineman Troy Kropog, wide receiver Lavelle Hawkins, defensive tackle Sen'Derrick Marks and defensive end Dave Ball. Patrick Ramsey was Tennessee's No. 3 quarterback.

Rod Woodson stumped for the inclusion of Dick LeBeau in the Pro Football Hall of Fame during the former's induction speech in Canton last month. To say Woodson is elated that LeBeau now has a good chance of making it into the Hall of Fame might be an understatement. The Steelers defensive coordinator, who is in his 51st NFL season as a player or coach, was recently nominated to the Hall of Fame by the NFL Veterans Committee. LeBeau and Floyd Little will be voted on along with other Hall of Fame nominees the day before the Super Bowl in February.

"Normally these senior committee members do go in," Woodson said. "Hopefully they do the right thing and put Dick in."

Digits

163 -- Regular-season games in which Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward has made at least one catch, which is a team record.

5 -- Times the defending Super Bowl champion has played the team it last lost against on the opening weekend of NFL play.

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

HometownGal
09-11-2009, 08:15 AM
Clark, Big Snack and Skippy are MUST signings at the end of the season, imho. My jury is still out on Colon, however.

OneForTheToe
09-11-2009, 07:59 PM
Clark, Big Snack and Skippy are MUST signings at the end of the season, imho. My jury is still out on Colon, however.

I think Skippy gets franchised. I hope Clark is signed, but I am confident. "Big Snack" has been one of my favorite Steelers in recent memory, but I would have to pause at the prospect of the Steelers giving him a 5 year 30+ million contract at this point in his career. He certainly isn't going to play for less. I wonder how much he would freak if he were franchised as well? Colon will likely be back because without a CBA, he doesn't have the years of service to become a UFA.

devilsdancefloor
09-11-2009, 08:06 PM
to be honest last night on more than one occasion big snack wasnt himself and hoke was a much better beast. @ NT:noidea: i know it is a long season , but im keeping my eye on him this year more than ever:thumbsup: i think skippy gets tagged and colon who looked good last night will sign a deal with the steelers. i hope ryan stays and retires a steeler.

Preacher
09-11-2009, 08:55 PM
From what I have been seeing Colon is a must sign. He is the best and most consistent player on that line. If he could only stop with the mental mistakes... he would be invaluable.

After last night, I am a bit more anxious to see Hampton. the fact he actually was getting pushed back scared me. Right now I am glad he doesn't have a contract. There is time at the end of this year before FA to get it done.

Reed--is Reed. He will be signed.

Clark has to show IMO, that he is healthy enough to be signed. His heart is big enough... but has his body taken too much wear and tear? Like Hampton, we will have time before FA to get it done.

stillers4me
09-11-2009, 09:30 PM
• Reed said he will kick through a nagging ankle injury this season. His left ankle, Reed added, has been bothering him for the last couple of years.

"This is the worst it's been," said Reed, who didn't kick in the Steelers' third preseason game because of a bad ankle, "but at this point I want to be a part of the team as much as you possibly can be."

Reed said he won't use his ankle as an excuse if he makes a bad kick and shrugged off the possibility that it will affect his play.

"Play through some pain," he said, "just like everybody else does."
The reason the Steelers are playing "wait and see"?

steelreserve
09-11-2009, 10:00 PM
"Steelers voluntarily give themselves $5 million in dead money"

I fixed the headline, at least if they decide to stick to tradition and do nothing.

Seriously, are they going to sit on that much cap space and let one or two of their key guys walk at the end of the year because they were too stubborn? Screw that; go sign Clark or Reed NOW instead of letting that money go to waste. That would just be stupid.

sharkweek
09-11-2009, 10:20 PM
or save that money for next year when there might not be a cap :flap:

tony hipchest
09-11-2009, 10:22 PM
Clark has to show IMO, that he is healthy enough to be signed. His heart is big enough... but has his body taken too much wear and tear?.couldnt the same have been said about troy? imo he is more of an injury risk than clark. anyways i think clark can earn top 10 safety money. dont think the steelers can afford that.

maybe hampton should put back on the 40 lbs he supposedly lost since last year. :noidea:

Preacher
09-11-2009, 10:41 PM
couldnt the same have been said about troy? imo he is more of an injury risk than clark. anyways i think clark can earn top 10 safety money. dont think the steelers can afford that.

maybe hampton should put back on the 40 lbs he supposedly lost since last year. :noidea:

No. I don't While troy does get injured, its different. Clark gets injured PRECISELY because of how he plays.

Troy's injuries are a byproduct. For instance. Last night, Troy's knee happened simply because he was there. Anyone else there would have probably been injured the same way. However, Clark's injuries last year usually came BECAUSE he was tackling people the way he does... his hard hits. So as a result, I think he has a much better chance of knocking himself out of the game and season with an injury.

Preacher
09-11-2009, 10:44 PM
"Steelers voluntarily give themselves $5 million in dead money"

I fixed the headline, at least if they decide to stick to tradition and do nothing.

Seriously, are they going to sit on that much cap space and let one or two of their key guys walk at the end of the year because they were too stubborn? Screw that; go sign Clark or Reed NOW instead of letting that money go to waste. That would just be stupid.

No way. The season has started. You DO NOT break that cardinal rule. otherwise you will have players demanding contract changes all through the year. We see it on other teams. It is not a distraction on this team for one reason. Because it simply doesn't happen here.

(unless a vet. Min. has such an outstanding season, that the owners want to give them a big bonus because they feel like they are basically ripping him off otherwise, a la the Tommy Maddox contract).

The Duke
09-11-2009, 10:56 PM
"Play through some pain," he said, "just like everybody else does."

Even our kicker is tough :tt03:

No. I don't While troy does get injured, its different. Clark gets injured PRECISELY because of how he plays.

Troy's injuries are a byproduct. For instance. Last night, Troy's knee happened simply because he was there. Anyone else there would have probably been injured the same way. However, Clark's injuries last year usually came BECAUSE he was tackling people the way he does... his hard hits. So as a result, I think he has a much better chance of knocking himself out of the game and season with an injury.

true. I would like to see him back, but at a relatively short but fair deal. 2-3 years

gives them time to groom Mundy/ other potential replacement

tony hipchest
09-11-2009, 11:20 PM
No. I don't While troy does get injured, its different. Clark gets injured PRECISELY because of how he plays.

Troy's injuries are a byproduct. For instance. Last night, Troy's knee happened simply because he was there. Anyone else there would have probably been injured the same way. However, Clark's injuries last year usually came BECAUSE he was tackling people the way he does... his hard hits. So as a result, I think he has a much better chance of knocking himself out of the game and season with an injury.i would say this is backwards and incorrect. troy has the history of concussions, not clark. did you see some of his dives and how he landed on his shoulders? there were 2 times i thought troy mightve hurt himself last night before he actually got injured.

i agree, troys knee was a by-product, but he was walking the fine line before that. he walks a fine line and he walks.... hard. real :chuckle:

i think any money that may have been saved under this years cap may be given to tomlin as a signing bonus. the rooneys arent rich like pat bowlen who can pay shanahan $20 mil to sit at home.

all the speculation about how much cap space we have next season is just that. i have to see the current contracts of hines, keisel, starks, harrison, and heath (and others) to do that. are we assuming that these players cap value is league minimum this season to free up all the current cap space we have?

heath and harrison can easilly count an extra 10 mil towards the cap next year, alone. big ben, troy, farrior, a. smith, and ike taylors go up too (weve borrowed from the bank of ike 2 years straight).

any thoughts that we will be 17 mil under may be wishful thinking. weve already handed out that money.

remember the dilemma of signing faneca or troy (we all knew ben was a gimme)?

the same thing is shaping up in regards to hampton/clark/skippie/colon vs. woodley/holmes.

take your pick... the 4 older ones or the 2 young budding superstars. :noidea:

of course, now i am speculating but if ANYONE has a link to current contracts, duration, cap hit vs. base salary, please provide and i could give a much more informative opinion.

postgazette used to post a great chart for cap and steelerssalarycap.com provided an excellent one with great (and accurate) analysis. his site is under construction for about a year, and the ppg hasnt posted one in a few years.

i think that the steelers have been so effective with cap management that they are now keeping (or playing) alot of this info "close to the chest".

it really provides for good study material, especially for a dumbass owner like a. davis or d. snyder.