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revefsreleets
09-12-2009, 07:42 AM
OK, mods, bear with me for a second...this article is NOT about the Steelers, but I can relate it to the Steelers if you give me a second, and hopefully it will help prove a point.

This article was in the local paper. It's about my Zips preparing to open their new stadium BUT, more importantly, it's about the PREPARATIONS the coaches go through getting ready for the game, watching film, making a gameplan, etc, etc...

What I'm hoping people will do is read the article and think about how it applies to the Steelers coaching staff, the preparations THEY make for game, the film THEY watch, how intricate and detailed and well-thought out every detail is. Bear in mind, Akron is mid-tier D-1 school, and the coaches don't have the rime and the resources the NFL coaches do, so it's safe to guess that BA and Tomlin and the assistants probably put in MORE hours and spend MORE time and have a keener eye for detail and preparation than the coaches in this article.

My overall point is, for the casual fan posting here, how can you possibly think you're in a better position to draw up game plans than the coaching staff of a professional football team? MOST importantly, I guarantee, I GUARANTEE ANYTHING anybody here has ever though of or suggested or criticized has been watched on film, identified, discussed, analyzed, etc, etc...the coaches know more than you. They just do, and they've already figured out what's wrong and how to fix it...

Please read this extremely long article and see if it doesn't help give you (an you know who I'm directing this to) a LITTLE healthier perspective on what is REALLY going on....

(edit) This is a great article for ANY football fan to read, regardless...

http://www.ohio.com/sports/58504077.html

An excerpt...
9:30 a.m.
The offensive staff is back, coffee flowing freely.
As coaches study more tape and come up with plays to counter what they expect to see, the language becomes something only those inside the team can understand.
''We can put the hawk stuff in so we can go 98.''
''We could keep it the same as long as we change the acute.''
''We could run sluggo too.''
''We've got to stay out of that dover hole.''
''How about the sprint creek out of the double flip?''
''What is Z doing on the backside of the poster?''
''You want to treat punch like skirt?''
At one point, a staff member comes in to show the staff the new signals. Each play is signaled from the sideline by three people — and only the offense knows which is active.
It's almost like watching a game of charades.
''We've only got about 4,000 of them,'' Montgomery quips.
Zips coaches also recognize they must change some signals because former UA quarterback Carlton Jackson starts for Morgan State.
At one point, Callahan gets up to write down the plays that will be used in certain formations. He picks up a brown marker and asks if brown is OK.
''Did we use brown last week?'' Montgomery says. ''Let's change it up. Until we start winning. Shake it up.''
When some wonder about a set of plays, Brookhart says to practice them. ''We've got three days to get it right,'' he says.

steeltheone
09-12-2009, 09:23 AM
Great article! It's always easy to second guess

Indo
09-12-2009, 12:31 PM
Great read---and you're absolutely right about the "armchair" coaching staff we have here...

I don't always agree with BA's calls---sometimes find myself screaming at the TV---but then I realize that he may be trying to set something up down the road, or he may have gotten a "read" from the coaches booth, or...a thousand other things that cause him to call something the way he does...
Tomlin likes him.
The FO likes him.

Good enough for me 'cause there are a whole bunch more trophies in their "house" than in mine!

tony hipchest
09-12-2009, 01:13 PM
this reminded me of Sherlock trying to learn and asking about tomlin, and what he actually does during the games. often times he is just standing there while lebeau and arians are calling the games.

i forgot to answer but this article helps. a perfect example of what tomlin does during the games is james harrisons 100 yard play in the sb (arguably the greatest play in nfl history)

we know lebeau called the defensive play that put james in the perfect position. nfl films sideline shot of tomlin reveals that he told lebeau what offensive play the cardinals were going to run. through countless hours of study of the cardinals at that down and distance in the redzone he knew they would not run it and that it would be either a quick slant or fade to a wr.

he put lebeau in the perfect position to make the call, just like lebeau put his players in the perfect position to make what seemed to be a miracle play. it was all preparation.

also in regards to this single play tomlin reveals in Americas Game, that he had trouble sleeping on a weds night. his players were picking off alot of balls in practice but he felt they were a little lacidasical in "getting offensive" and turning into blockers to run the pick back.

so in the middle of the night tomlin was cutting up film of practice to show to the players in the morning. he didnt say much. he told them they would need 1 if not 2 of those run back to beat the cardinals. he said the last time he coached in the superbowl, his guys ran back 3, and he thought that [the bucs] was a great defense. this kinda sent the message home and lit a fire under the steelers ass. he said the rest of the week they got after it and were getting out front, the rest of the week.

Americas Game also has a clip of the steelers leaving the field for halftime right after the play. tomlin is running off behind woodley. woodley is jubilant and thumping his chest and barking to the cameras as if they had already won. "thats how the steelers do it" or something to that affect. tomlin yells "hey, we still got 2 more," at which point woodley say "oh yeah" and yells out "but it aint over yet".

in a final act of coaching the nfl films sb highlight dvd reveals tomlin on the sideline with woodley on the cardinals final drive, telling him personally to go make a play and bring us home.

woodley forces a fumble, steelers recover, game over.

so the point is, countless hours went into preparation for this single play that won us the game. and this is just one example. the same can be said for every play on bens final drive and santonio's spectacular catch. tomlin had to have known exactly what defense the cardinals would run and how to attack it.

for the head coach, all the real hard work is done mon-sat, to the point where the actual 3 hours spent "in stadiums" on sundays are really the 3 easiest hours of the work week.

if prepared the coach can sit back, let the coordinators do their job and make sure the lamaar woodleys dont get profanityfilterprofanityfilterprofanityfilterprofa nityfiltery or complacent.

KeiselPower99
09-12-2009, 01:15 PM
Dont forget Arians has the confidence of # 7. Ben is the biggest supporter of BA.

fansince'76
09-12-2009, 01:20 PM
Funny, and all this time I thought the coaches put in 80+ hours a week just to get away from their nagging wives....

/sarcasm

devilsdancefloor
09-12-2009, 01:31 PM
great read thanks for posting! At times we forget how lucky we are

stillers4me
09-12-2009, 03:39 PM
Good read....but I guess we had might as well shut down the forum.

If we are not allowed to be armchair quarterbacks and have our own opinions, no matter how amateur they are, we had just might as well set up a cheerleading forum.


That is all.

Preacher
09-12-2009, 06:03 PM
Good read....but I guess we had might as well shut down the forum.

If we are not allowed to be armchair quarterbacks and have our own opinions, no matter how amateur they are, we had just might as well set up a cheerleading forum.


That is all.

There is a very big difference between being an armchair qb (or OC) and actually speaking as if you know better. The former is fun, the latter is pompous and arrogant.

I love discussing and debating sports and football. There are times I wonder why Arians does the things he does. Times I get mad at him for doing those things. However, I understand that he knows better than me what is really happening. He has a STRATEGY while I am just looking for 4 or 5 yards.

Maybe it is because, in many ways, I am in the same boat he is in as a pastor. I try and lead my church. I see things way out in the future. I see things that we need to avoid. I see things we need to do. I also see things that aren't that important, even though others think it is important, mainly because in the end, those things do not help with the overall strategy and objective.

People in my church disagree with me. They may think I am wrong. But the do not have the depth or breadth of understanding concerning all the ins and outs that I do.

When I was an associate pastor--or even a member of another church after being a pastor, I STILL don't have all the pieces. So while I can make observations, wonder about things with more accuracy, etc., fact of the matter is, It would still be pompous and arrogant to assume that I know as much or more than the coaches.

We can all see it isn't working. What YOU and I and OTHERS don't know, is what is happening behind the scenes. That means everything and makes all our armchair predictions garbage.

So have fun, make armchair predictions and assessments... heck, I do. But when it comes to reality.. keep in mine the amateurs watch the game, the professionals coach and play the game.

hindes204
09-12-2009, 07:04 PM
keep in mind the amateurs watch the game, the professionals coach and play the game.

this statement sums up everything ive been thinking after reading the endless negativity on this website the past couple of days.....well said Preacher, well said

Steeldude
09-12-2009, 09:41 PM
still pushing the "nobody can have an opinion" argument?

don't forget, the steelers are the ones who insisted kordell was a QB. they wasted 5+ years on that moron. weren't they looking at film? it was painfully obvious he was not a QB from the very beginning:toofunny: hey, but what do i know, i'm just a casual fan.:noidea:

X-Terminator
09-12-2009, 09:57 PM
still pushing the "nobody can have an opinion" argument?

don't forget, the steelers are the ones who insisted kordell was a QB. they wasted 5+ years on that moron. weren't they looking at film? it was painfully obvious he was not a QB from the very beginning:toofunny: hey, but what do i know, i'm just a casual fan.:noidea:

There's a difference between having an opinion and acting like a know-it-all and as if you could do a better job. A BIG difference.

sharkweek
09-13-2009, 12:18 AM
Dont forget Arians has the confidence of # 7. Ben is the biggest supporter of BA.

Ben is a true leader, he will say and do anything to diffuse situations. He bails out the OL by vocally taking responsibility for all the sacks, but we know his desire to extend plays and make something happen is not solely responsible for all the sacks. He often has to scramble to extend the plays because the OL breaks down prematurely.

If Ben came out and said Arians is terrible and needs to be replaced, it would be terrible for the team at this point in the season. Perhaps if things don't go as planned this season, we could see some action regarding coaching positions, but it certainly wouldn't be incited by someone like Ben during the season.

Shellshock
09-13-2009, 12:23 AM
Seeing double, wtf.

The Lakelander
09-13-2009, 01:03 AM
Good read....but I guess we had might as well shut down the forum.

If we are not allowed to be armchair quarterbacks and have our own opinions, no matter how amateur they are, we had just might as well set up a cheerleading forum.


That is all.

That's the point stiller.

Some have "deeper" knowledge than others around here.

And on these forums :chuckle: ... the ones with "deeper" knowledge don't engage the rest with anything remotely resembling dialogue or opinion.

They instead use words like "tool" and "welch" to engage anyone with "shallower" knowledge. :applaudit:

So all you have to do to know who around here has any football intelligence is to look for those people using words like "welch" and "tool" when describing others on these boards and you've found your football geniuses. :laughing:

markymarc
09-13-2009, 06:55 PM
That was a very nice read and thanks for posting it revefsreleets.

xbroughneck
09-13-2009, 07:14 PM
So have fun, make armchair predictions and assessments... heck, I do. But when it comes to reality.. keep in mine the amateurs watch the game, the professionals coach and play the game.

Again, i don't think any armchair QB thinks he can do what Arians does. That's stupid.

I also don't live on this Steeler island where I only watch Steeler games. I believe that with Ben at QB we could be successful running any offensive scheme...pretty much any employed by 20 of the other NFL offensive coordinators that go through the same shit Arians does.

They don't do as well because Ben isn't the QB. Their defense isn't as stout.

Really, the only people that tend to take the high and mighty around here are those that get tired of others saying they don't like Arians as offensive coordinator.

So what do we get in return? A bunch of these threads that say pretty much "you're stupid so shut the $#^# up. Arians knows what he's doing".

That's fine. As long as the Steelers keep winning I don't mind being called stupid for thinking I'd rather see things done differently than the way Arians does it.

Scoreboard. You guys win. Go STEELERS!:coffee:

fansince'76
09-13-2009, 07:38 PM
Again, i don't think any armchair QB thinks he can do what Arians does. That's stupid.

No it's not, when the sentiment "I can see what's wrong from my sofa, so why can't the coaches?" is thrown out here as often as it is.

Really, the only people that tend to take the high and mighty around here are those that get tired of others saying they don't like Arians as offensive coordinator.

So what do we get in return? A bunch of these threads that say pretty much "you're stupid so shut the $#^# up. Arians knows what he's doing".

Counterbalanced by just as many "Arians sucks and should be fired" threads made up of a litany of "Arians is an idiot who should be fired" posts. It's just a bunch of bitching with no solutions offered. And I'm sorry, "cutting the whole OL, firing the OC and firing the OL coach and getting someone new in by next Sunday" is NOT a solution. It gets old. Especially when it is pretty obvious he's not going anywhere for a while.

RoethlisBURGHer
09-13-2009, 11:30 PM
Here is what I love.

Play call works, and people go:
"[insert player(s) here] is AWESOME!".

Play call doesn't work, and people go:
"Arians is an IDIOT and should be FIRED!".

Do these people know if Arians called the play or if Ben called the play? No, they have no idea, they are just making a guess...a guess that fits their view of things.

revefsreleets
09-14-2009, 04:32 PM
That's the point stiller.

Some have "deeper" knowledge than others around here.

And on these forums :chuckle: ... the ones with "deeper" knowledge don't engage the rest with anything remotely resembling dialogue or opinion.

They instead use words like "tool" and "welch" to engage anyone with "shallower" knowledge. :applaudit:

So all you have to do to know who around here has any football intelligence is to look for those people using words like "welch" and "tool" when describing others on these boards and you've found your football geniuses. :laughing:


Awww...poor baby...did I offend?

Redman ain't on the roster, and Steel Head made a bet and lost. If you consider yourself a tool for predicting things about Redman, too bad...but Steel Head welching on a bet is a stone cold iron clad lock of a fact...bark up another tree...

I have no problem with people posting INFORMED opinion. Never have, and never will...but you don't know what the f**k you're talking about, I'll call you on it every time.

Finally, back to this thread, I'll relate a personal experience, which my haters are free to ignore or call me names over or whatever, but it's absolutely apropos and germane...

When I was a kid in college, I worked in the warehouse of my dads business. I was the lowest on the totem poll, and probably the lowest paid employee in the company, and, mind you, I worked in the WAREHOUSE, hardly a think-tank of intellectuals.

My dad was slowly being Wal-Marted out of business, and to counter that, he joined a buying group which gave him increased discounts on stuff he bought BUT he had to buy huge quantities of and sometimes pay for in advance instead of getting terms. It was a big risk, but a smart and calculated one.

I bitched and pissed and moaned (because I was in the warehouse, thought I knew everything, and I was the one who had to try and fine a place to fit all this shit). I was SURE it was stupid because I knew better based on my limited experience.

I've recently had the pleasure and honor of seeing him talk to some of my clients in person about his experiences as a successful small business owner, and I was shocked and amazed to learn that the SINGLE measure of buying what APPEARED to be too much single-handedly SAVED the company, and took them from losing a dime a dollar to making a half penny a dollar. Some of those other owners were amazed too, and the one's that weren't were also employing similar means...

I thought I knew everything, and then I realized I knew NOTHING, and that wasn't NEARLY as specialized as running an NFL offense.

The people with an INFORMED opinion will understand exactly what I mean by all this, and the others...perhaps not so much...but then again, they are the one's questioning the best franchise in all of sports, not me...