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tony hipchest
09-13-2009, 12:04 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-09-03-mexico-slayings_N.htmMEXICO CITY — Investigators hunted for suspects Thursday following the execution of 18 youths at a drug rehab center in the border town of Ciudad Juarez, one of the most brazen episodes yet in Mexico's drug cartel wars.

The attackers on Wednesday broke down the door of El Aliviane center in Ciudad Juarez, just across the border from El Paso. They then lined up the victims against a wall and opened fire, according to Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the regional prosecutors' office.

It was the third recent attack on a drug treatment center in Ciudad Juarez. Patricia Gonzalez, the prosecutor of Chihuahua state, where Ciudad Juarez is located, said Thursday that the centers have frequently been used by drug cartel members as hide-outs from police or rival gang members.

Enrique Torres, spokesman for the government's military and police task force in Chihuahua, said there was no evidence yet that any of the 18 dead and two injured youths were working for the cartels. "As far as we know, all of them were people who were being rehabilitated," Torres said.

In all, 40 people were murdered throughout Chihuahua on Wednesday, according to Mexican newspaper El Universal, which called it the bloodiest day in "the history of crime" in the state.

The massacre came just hours after President Felipe Calderon defended his anti-drug efforts in Mexico's equivalent of the State of the Union address. Also Wednesday, the No. 2 security official in Calderon's home state of Michoacan was shot dead when several gunmen attacked his car.

More than 13,500 people have died in drug-related violence since Calderon took office in 2006, prompting increasing questions about if and when his strategy will pay off.

"We are losing" the drug war, said Victor Quintana, a sociologist and expert on crime at Autonomous University of Ciudad Juarez. "Drug deaths are up, petty crime is up, the biggest drug traffickers here in Chihuahua (state) have not been caught. By any measure, this strategy is not working."

Calderon has cast the drug war as part of a larger quest for law and order in a country where drug cartels have penetrated key institutions such as the army and police. His government has poured 4,500 troops into Juarez alone.

The shooting also shows the shortcomings of Mexico's drug rehabilitation centers, said Regina Kuri, a spokeswoman for the Monte Fenix Center for Advanced Studies in Mexico City, which trains drug counselors.

Many of these centers are located in Mexico's worst neighborhoods. They lack the money and contacts to send patients away to safer areas where they are shielded from temptation and retribution, Kuri said.

"You need to remove these people from these places and give them real treatment, not just a daily plate of beans," Kuri said. Under Calderon, Mexican security officers have arrested several top cartel leaders and seized record amounts of drugs. However, new cartels such as the La Familia syndicate in Michoacan have emerged to take the place of weakened cartels.

"It's focused on this absurd fight, where you patch over one hole and 10 others open up," Kuri said. "The points of (drug) sales just multiply."

in semi-unrelated news...

El Paso Man Arrested For 18 Murders In Juarez
http://www.ktsm.com/news/el-paso-man-arrested-for-18-murders-in-juarez-0Soldiers have arrested a man suspected of killing 18 people in a series of attacks this year inviolence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, across from El Paso, Texas.
Michael Escalante, 29, of El Paso, was allegedly a member of
"La Linea," a group of hit men working for the Juarez drug
cartel, Mexico's Defense Department said Thursday in a release. It
was not clear if Escalante had a legal representative or what his
nationality is.
Last week authorities arrested two other alleged La Linea
members, charging one in 211 killings and another in 33 killings.
Ciudad Juarez, Mexico's deadliest city, has seen more than 1,300
deaths this year.
Farther south in the Michoacan state capital of Morelia, police
said Wednesday that they seized eight counterfeit police and rescue
vehicles including an intensive care ambulance with
official-looking logos and paint jobs.
Police said the vehicles belonged to gang members who planned to
use them to conduct illegal activities.
President Felipe Calderon first launched his crackdown against
drug cartels in Michoacan, sending thousands of federal police and
soldiers to his home state after taking office in late 2006.

http://www.ktsm.com/news/el-paso-man-arrested-for-18-murders-in-juarez-0

tony hipchest
09-13-2009, 12:25 AM
texas rangers to the rescue!

http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_13312467

HOUSTON -- Special teams of Texas Rangers will be deployed to the Texas-Mexico border to deal with increasing violence because the federal government has failed to address growing problems there, Gov. Rick Perry said Thursday.

"It is an expansive effort with the Rangers playing a more high-profile role than they've ever played before," Perry said of the Department of Public Safety's elite investigative unit.

The forces, dubbed "Ranger recon" teams, are the latest effort "to fill the gap that's been left by the federal government's ongoing failure to adequately secure our international border with Mexico," he said.

The governor early this year asked Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano for 1,000 National Guard troops and renewed his call last month in a letter to President Barack Obama. The request is bogged down over who will pay for the troops and how they will be deployed.

Perry's announcement Thursday comes amid increasing border violence, particularly in El Paso, mostly involving people with ties to Mexican drug gangs.

"They'll be deployed to high-traffic, high-crime areas along the border," he said. "They'll give us boots on the ground, put people in these hot spots no matter what or where they may exist."

Perry said the effort also would focus on remote areas where farmers and ranchers have complained of being overrun by smugglers and gangs from Mexico in numbers that also overwhelm local law enforcement and border patrol
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officers.

"Washington is shortchanging them, not giving them the support they need," Perry said. "As a result, we're having to dedicate our resources to deal with the challenges we have along the Texas-Mexico border and ensuing issues that porous border has created all across state of Texas."

He said the state would pick up the tab of $110 million, allocated by the Legislature in the past two sessions.

Perry's announcement drew immediate criticism from U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, who is running against the two-term incumbent in the March GOP primary.

"Today's announcement is yet another empty election-year promise from Rick Perry on border security," Hutchison spokesman Joe Pounder said.

Perry fired back that it was the "height of hypocrisy for someone who's been in Washington, D.C., for 16 years, who's had the opportunity to help Texas on our border security, and they've been no more successful in delivering the resources and help."

wow. the GOP is admitting hypocricy within its ranks? i wonder what (former TX gov and president) g. dub thinks about the escalating terrorism in his back yard.

MACH1
09-13-2009, 01:39 AM
wow. the GOP is admitting hypocricy within its ranks? i wonder what (former TX gov and president) g. dub thinks about the escalating terrorism in his back yard.

Maybe obaaama will come to the rescue with an apology over tea and crackers bearing gifts of ipods.

steelreserve
09-13-2009, 05:25 AM
i thought this was going to be a fun thread, like, you know, uno .. dos ..tres ... cinceunta y cuatro

tony hipchest
09-13-2009, 07:25 PM
ochocinco! :party:

tony hipchest
09-15-2009, 06:04 PM
on second thought, this thread may be an extremely time consuming exersize in futility.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez

heres a list of recent links though-


EL PASO -- More than $1 million in cash was seized since Thursday at international bridges before it was taken into Mexico, U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials said Monday. Full story

Juárez: 5 men slain make 35 killings since Thursday
Five men were shot and killed Sunday night in the town of Praxedis G. Guerrero in the Valley of Juárez. Full story

2 men found slain inside their homes in Juárez
JUAREZ -- Gunmen broke into two separate homes and killed two men Friday in Juárez. Full story

U.S. man found with ammunition in Juárez
Mexican federal authorities have charged a U.S. citizen after he was caught entering Juárez with $75,950 and five boxes of ammunition hidden in a van, officials said over the weekend. Full story

2 men found slain inside their homes in Juárez
Gunmen broke into two separate homes and killed two men Friday in Juárez. About 2 p.m., Ramón Heredia Chavíra, 58, of the 3000 block of Oscar Flores Boulevard, was found dead sitting next to his bed. Full story

# Some question need for Gov. Rick Perry's plans to deploy Ranger teams to border
# Officials say suspect took part in slayings
# Loopholes found in gun show arms sales
# Gov. Rick Perry says Ranger special teams to go to Texas-Mexico border
# El Paso man arrested by Mexican army, suspected of being hit man for Juárez drug cartel
# Mexico detains El Paso man, alleged 'La Linea' member for multiple homicides
# Arrest of high-ranking boss Jose "El Rikin" Escajeda could weaken Juárez cartel, officials say
# Alleged cartel big shot arrested
# Mexican army captures man wanted by DEA
# Juárez in shock: Attack considered city's worst multiple shooting
# Update: 18 slain in Juárez drug rehab center
# Juárez mayor asks army to stay 6 months longer
# Group of suspected hit men accused in 211 killings worked for Juárez cartel
# Defense lawyer for Mexican drug kingpin killed
# Man held in Juárez slaying denied release
# Juárez police allege 3 hit men killed 211
# 2 Juárez shooting victims brought to El Paso
# El Paso-born teen dies in Juárez shooting
# Woman from U.S. shot in Juárez
# Border program taking toll on Texas Department of Public Safety, audit says
# Mexican army captain slain in Juárez
# Gov. Rick Perry asks feds for border National Guard aid again
# Washington extends Mexico travel advisory
# Suspected cartel leaders among 43 facing drug trafficking charges
# Marijuana found in truck entering U.S.
# Juárez victim was fugitive, police say
# Funeral home, cemetery offer services to Las Cruces family of 3 slain in Juarez
# Mexico cartels go from drugs to full-scale mafias
# Slain family planned to leave Juárez
# Soldiers find load of drugs in officer's car
# 19 dead, 20 injured in Mexico prison fight
# ATF increases inspections of gun dealers in Texas
# Experts say working with informants risky business
# Official says Mexico committed to fighting drug violence, corruption
# Rethinking strategy key to battling drugs
# Mutilated body found at Juárez monument
# Obama, Calderon at odds over drug war, trucking
# Bodies of 5 men found in parked SUV
# Drug risks rise along border, group says
# Mexico shooting victims' tab $139,000 so far this year, cost $1.4 million in 2008
# July was Juárez's deadliest month
# Military finds ammo, weapons in Juárez prison
# Juárez Indios' success provides respite from violence
# Policymakers to hear border issues
# Gunmen kill 6 in Juarez pool hall
# Mom of woman killed in Juárez recalls telling her: 'Don't go'
# Drug lieutenant slain on East Side allegedly was confidential informant
# Mexico police name suspect in border agent death
# Arrest in Juárez: Father allegedly sodomizes 8-month-old son, killing him
# Soldiers seize fake military gear being produced at Juárez factory
# Lawmakers: Border fence has drawbacks
# US offers $50M in rewards in drug war offensive
# Authorities arrest suspected kidnappers
# 5 gunned down in Juárez bar
# Mexico identifies 12 tortured, slain and dumped along a mountain road as federal agents
# Man is found dead of bullet wounds
# Homeland Security secretary Janet Napolitano to speak at Border Conference
# Weapons, marijuana found in warehouse
# 44 arrests tied to Barrio Azteca gang
# 19-year-old El Paso victim of Juárez violence is identified
# Kidnappings bring Chihuahua protest
# El Paso teen, cousin slain in Juárez
# Suspect turned over to Mexican authorities at the Downtown El Paso port of entry
# El Paso mom of 4 is slain in Juárez
# Mexico President Felipe Calderon says drug war threatens democracy
# Update: Men accused in fatal Socorro bar shootings are Barrio Azteca gang members
# Mexican cartel battle shifts
# 2,500 soldiers head to Juárez
# Drug lords Ernesto "Don Neto" Fonseca and Rafael Caro Quintero sentenced in death of DEA Agent Enrique "Kiki" Camarena
# Mexico deploys 1,500 extra soldiers to Juárez
# Mexican gunmen stop ambulance, kill patient inside
# Child-sex tourism increases in Juárez
# 11-year-old from San Elizario slain during weekend
# Mexican soldiers arrest 25 in commando group
# Mexican soldiers accused of killing, abuse
# East Side slaying first cartel hit in El Paso
# Mexican army scours Juárez for guns, plans more police training
# Five patients shot and killed at Juarez drug rehab center
# Brother of treasurer in Juárez is slain
# Border inspections yield drug-war spoils, czar says
# More than 300 bid farewell to 15-year-old shot and killed in Juárez
# 15-year-old Coronado student shot dead in Juarez was an athlete, student leader
# Drug war epicenter: In Juárez, President Felipe Calderón draws line against cartels
# Mexico data overstate weapons traced to U.S.
# South Padre: Some see impact; others report business as usual
# Mercedes: Texas mall feels 'dead' as shoppers stay away
# McAllen: Pharmacies on Mexico side pack in customers
# Laredo: 'Slow' Cinco de Mayo festival expected
# Brownsville: Merchants say they're in battle for survival
# Auto thefts, carjackings in Juárez dip
# As infamous Mexican cartel totters, violence grows
# 2 federal police officers killed
# Juárez shooting victims are United States citizens
# Fort Bliss soldiers banned from Mexico because of the drug-related violence
# Missing 7-year-old Juárez girl found

tony hipchest
09-16-2009, 09:07 PM
i think this makes it 27 in the past 24 hours.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_13350338

Mexican federal agent killed in Juárez; five killed in restaurant
By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times
Posted: 09/16/2009 04:40:17 PM MDT

A Mexican federal agent was fatally shot Wednesday afternoon in Juárez as rampant murders continued, including a shooting in a drug rehab center that left 10 people dead Tuesday night, authorities said.

A federal agent with the Mexico attorney general's officer, known as the PGR, was killed Wednesday afternoon outside the agency's headquarters on Avenida Abraham Lincoln near the Bridge of the Americas, authorities said.

The shooting took place as Mexico celebrates its Independence Day today with festivities that began last night.

Around 1 a.m. Wednesday, a shooting left five men dead inside the Coco Bongo restaurant on Avenida Hermanos Escobar and Costa Rica street.

Chihuahua state police identified the slain as Jose Ignacio Macias, 50, Juan Jose Guardiola Barbosa, 21, Jose Luis Olivas Apodaca, 46, and two men who had not been identified.

Tuesday evening, five other men were killed in another mass shooting inside the Spider car wash near the border in east Juárez, across from the Ascarate Park area in El Paso. The dead were Rodolfo Soriano, who is in his 40s, Adan Gonzalez Alvarez, 32, Rogelio Alarcón Soriano, 20, Julio Cesar Hernandez Hernandez, 20, and Jaime Hernandez Hernandez, 22.

On Tuesday night, nine men and a woman were shot and killed by gunmen with assault rifles who fired 65 rounds inside the "Anexo de Vida" drug rehabilitation center at 564 Plan de Ayala street, the state attorney general's office stated. A man and a woman were wounded. Officials
said that among the dead are the director of the drug rehab center and a doctor.

The shooting is the second this month at a drug rehab center and at least the fourth since the start of a war among drug cartels. Juárez city officials said the latest massacre is linked to a war between organized crime.

There were at least an additional six other homicides Tuesday in Juárez.

Gunmen kill 10 at Juarez drug treatment center

http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_13349402



CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico -- Gunmen burst into a drug treatment center in the northern Mexican border city of Ciudad Juarez and shot to death 10 people, the second such mass killing this month.

Police say nine men and one woman were killed in the attack just before midnight Tuesday at the Anexo de Vida center in Mexico's most violent city. Two people were seriously wounded.

Enrique Torres, a spokesman for Chihuahua state police, said Wednesday the identities of the gunmen and the motive for the attack have not yet been established.

But officials have said in the past that drug gangs may be using treatment centers to recruit dealers, or may be targeting them to eliminate rivals.

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On Sept. 2, gunmen lined patients against a wall at another rehabilitation center in Ciudad Juarez and then riddled them with bullets, killing 18.

Five men were killed at another rehabilitation center in June, and in August 2008, gunmen barged into a pastor's sermon at a rehabilitation center and opened fire, killing eight people. Authorities have not said if any of the attacks are related.

Ciudad Juarez has seen the worst of the nation's drug violence, with more than 1,300 deaths this year. The bloodshed has continued despite a buildup in troops since March.

Surging gang violence has claimed 13,500 lives since President Felipe Calderon took office in 2006 and deployed extra soldiers across the country to fight cartels.

tony hipchest
09-22-2009, 05:58 PM
a fairly uneventful weekend-

More than a dozen slain during weekend

The number of people slain in Juárez continues to increase with few signs that it will let up in the near future.

State officials on Sunday reported the slaying of 10 people on Saturday and at least three others by Sunday afternoon.

Most of the victims were shot to death. Some were shot with handguns and others with AK-47 rifles, officials said.

Some of the victims were found on the street, some inside homes, and two were shot on a front porch.

More than 3,000 people have been killed since violence began in the city in January 2008.

however the action picked up on monday-

8 killings in Juárez include man with head chopped off


A man was found with his head chopped off in the village of Caseta in the Valley of Juarez.

Chihuahua state police on Tuesday identified the man as 50-year-old Jesus Manuel Gutierrez Gonzalez, whose body was found Monday in a Toyota Camry next to a canal.

Gutierrez appeared to have been tortured and was handcuffed behind his back. The head was later found floating in the sewage canal.

The death was one of eight homicides on Monday, including four people slain at La Cúpula motel in Juárez.

Daniel Ivan Torres Gutierrez, 22, Yolanda Vanessa Torres Fernandez, 23, Brenda Lisette Fernandez Torres, 20, and Jimmy Albert Moreno Macias, 21, were found shot to death Monday evening inside room No. 27 of the motel on Avenida Paseo de la Victoria.

Investigators counted 26 bullet casings from an assault rifle and three 9-mm casings.

also some cool details released of one of the murders last week. a heavilly tortured el paso man was found in the street with his pants pulled down to his ankles, and both chopped off hands laying across his bare chest. an obvious message he was a theif and needed to be humiliated upon death.

of course these acts happen in broad daylight, as they wouldnt be as effective if carried out at night.

MattsMe
09-22-2009, 09:08 PM
I will probably be flying to El Paso sometime in the next few weeks for work. I had planned on going south of the border while I was there. This thread makes me think twice.

tony hipchest
09-22-2009, 09:46 PM
I will probably be flying to El Paso sometime in the next few weeks for work. I had planned on going south of the border while I was there. This thread makes me think twice.

1) you now need a passport.

2) NOBODY really goes down their for leisure anymore. 5 years ago thousands of high schoolers and college students (amongst 10's of thousands of others) would flock the city for night clubbing and liberal drinking laws.

3) plenty of people used to make the short trip from el paso, cruces, alamogordo just to go to the mercado, and have some good mexican food. shopping was cheap, and fun.

4) i have about 10 employees with dual citizenship who used to go atleast once a month (if not weekly) to visit family, go to the doctor/dentist, buy their prescriptions.

not no more.

5) a donkey show simply isnt worth the risk.

6) if youre white, i dont know if it helps or hurts your chances. the murders are fairly calculated, but it doesnt matter who gets caught in the crossfire. in the past they have actually warned "tourists" to stay away when big hits are planned.

odds say, that if you are simply crossing to go a few blocks in, buy a sombrero, onyx chess, set, wooden puppet, a $15 bottle of oxycontin, $7 bottle of tequilla w/ the worm, and sit in a cantina for a cerveza and taco, you are probably pretty safe.

most of the locals i encounter figure its no longer worth the risk. (which means giving up on some good dog racing tracks, sports betting bars, and strip joints/ BJ shacks). :noidea:

MattsMe
09-22-2009, 10:15 PM
1) you now need a passport.
5) a donkey show simply isnt worth the risk.

1) I have a passport.
5) I'll be the judge of that, thank you very much. :chuckle:

Seriously though, I doubt I'll go. I've never been to Mexico, but it looks like now is not the time, and Juarez is not the place. Going to Jamaica this spring, so I guess I'll break out the passport then.

tony hipchest
09-22-2009, 10:54 PM
1) I have a passport.
5) I'll be the judge of that, thank you very much. :chuckle:

Seriously though, I doubt I'll go. I've never been to Mexico, but it looks like now is not the time, and Juarez is not the place. Going to Jamaica this spring, so I guess I'll break out the passport then.
word.

i still need to cross "see donkey show" off my bucket list.

but with my blond hair and blue eyes, im still not sure if i would feel safer strolling the streets of juarez or baghdad.

that is enough of a deterrent for me.

not that i wouldnt do it. i let my mom take my daughter south of the border (yuma/algadones) earlier this year.

i have been to algadones, nogales (south of tucson) and juarez multiple times. it is really fun, cool, and a bit of a culture that everyone should experience atleast once.

but im thinking wazoo may be the murder capital of the world right now. :noidea:

i wanted to take my 2 cousins down there last summer (who were visiting from pgh) but i knew my family would kick my ass.

DO IT! :tt03:

MattsMe
09-22-2009, 11:03 PM
i still need to cross "see donkey show" off my bucket list.

See the movie Clerks 2. :chuckle:

tony hipchest
10-07-2009, 10:31 PM
Killings in Juárez: Girl, 9, among 35 homicides in first 4 days of October

http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_13486037

The wave of killings has not slowed in Juárez, with more than 35 homicides in the first four days of October.

Victims include a 9-year-old girl, a female police officer and five men killed in a Saturday afternoon shooting at a gas station.

The girl, identified as Laisa Flores Carrillo, and 24-year-old Elvia Lopez were killed Thursday night when gunmen fired 31 rounds at a Dodge Ram 2500 in the Paseos de Zaragoza area in east Juárez, Chihuahua state police said.

A man, another woman and a boy were wounded in the shooting.

On Friday, Chihuahua state police crime scene investigator Claudia Elizabeth Valdez Reyes, 27, was shot and killed Friday on a sidewalk, officials said. She had started to work for the state police in January.

At about 1 p.m. Saturday, five men were killed at a gas station in colonia Altavista. One man was next to a red 2003 Hummer H2 while the other victims were shot to death in the station's restroom, police said.

Police said that only one victim, Javier Mercado Castańeda, 47, had been identified.

The number of murders is on pace with last month. September ended with an unofficially tally of at least 300 homicides. There were more than 300 homicides in August.

tony hipchest
11-05-2009, 11:40 PM
yeah, no donkey show for me. this hits a little too close to home...

http://www.alamogordonews.com/alamogordo-news/ci_13716695

Airman killed in Juarez
HAFB Staff Sgt. David Booher one of six shot in Mexican bar


A medic from Holloman Air Force Base may have been attempting to treat wounded victims in a shooting when he was targeted and killed by gunmen inside a Juárez strip club, a friend of the airman said.

Staff Sgt. David Booher, 26, was among six men killed just after midnight Wednesday in the Amadeus strip club, Chihuahua state police and Holloman Air Force Base officials said. Booher was with the 49th Fighter Wing.

The strip club shooting was part of another violent day in Juárez in which at least six other killings took place including four young men who were lined against a wall and executed outside an elementary school.

Booher, who has family in El Paso and Juárez, was on his day off and had gone with friends to Juárez, said his friend Eric Estrada, who was not part of the group.

Estrada, 28, said his friends told him what happened when gunmen burst into the Amadeus, a neon-lit strip club billed as "El Imperio del Placer" (the Empire of Pleasure) on Avenida Ejercito Nacional.

"They (the shooters) went in there acting as federal agents. They told everyone not to move or they would kill them," Estrada said. "Nobody saw exactly how they killed him (Booher) because they were all face down. ... My other friends who were with him think that because he is a combat medic when he moved to try to help someone they shot him."

Estrada described Booher as a likeable guy who because of his military training did not worry about visiting Juárez. Booher's good looks had gotten him a spot as an extra in a "Transformers" movie filmed at Holloman Air Force Base.

Chihuahua state attorney general's spokesman Arturo Sandoval said the hitmen fired 30 rounds. Estrada said Booher was shot six times.

Also killed were club employees, waiter Luis Fabian Carbajal Hernandez, 24, and security guard Omar Osvaldo Garcia Cabrales, 32. Three other men killed had yet to be identified.

Authorities initially said 10 others were wounded but Sandoval said there was only one other person wounded, who was identified as Jaime Alberto Arguelles.

Due to the violence, the 12th Air Force, which includes the 49th Fighter Wing, earlier this year restricted personnel from travelling to Mexican border cities and the entire state of Chihuahua. Fort Bliss has also banned its soldiers from visiting Juárez.

The Amadeus shooting was part of a plague of violence spurred by a war between drug cartels in Juárez that has included several mass shootings inside bars, restaurants, drug rehab centers and other public sites.

Some of the shootings have been linked to extortion attempts, gang warfare or targeted businesses that were drug-trafficking fronts. The violence continues daily.

Also on Wednesday, four men were lined up and shot execution style against a wall outside an elementary school around 12:30 p.m. in south Juárez. The men, who appeared to be in their early 20s, were shot in the head, Chihuahua state police said.

There were two more murders as of early Wednesday evening raising the death toll past 30 for the first four days of November.

There have been more than 2,000 murders in the Juárez area this year, surpassing the 1,600 killed when the cartel war began last year.



thats real nice. line up 4 men directly outside an elementary school wall in the middle of the school day and execute them. pretty twisted.

MattsMe
02-11-2010, 06:44 PM
Well I finally made it to El Paso. Really want to go south of the border, but after watching the news here, I guess I better keep my gringo butt here.

tony hipchest
02-11-2010, 07:00 PM
its not that bad if your going dowm there during the day for an innocent birthday party or something...

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_14378578?source=most_viewed

A hit team described as the shock troops of the Juárez drug cartel and Azteca gangsters are suspected of being involved in the recent massacre of students in Juárez, according to information from the Chihuahua state attorney general.

The attorney general's office said the involvement of Los Linces and an Azteca leader were revealed in interrogations of two men arrested in connection with the Jan. 30 attack at a birthday party that killed 16 people, including 11 teens.

Los Linces (the lynxes) is a secretive assassination group reportedly made up of former Mexico special forces soldiers. The group works for the Juárez drug cartel, reputedly led by Vicente Carrillo Fuentes.
An unidentified leader of Los Linces, depicted wearing sunglasses in an artist rendering, had a support role in the mass shooting, according to the attorney general's office. The role was not specified.

Los Linces is made up of no more than 80 members operating in cells of four or five in Juárez and Chihuahua City, reported Mexico's El Universal newspaper. Los Linces members are rumored to communicate only with cartel leaders and have been compared with the paramilitary Zetas of the Gulf cartel.
In November, the Mexican army arrested three alleged Linces in Juárez. They were accused in 26 murders, including victims who refused to pay extortion "quotas," members of a rival cartel and independent drug dealers.

More than 4,300 people have been killed in Juárez since 2008, in part because of a war between the Juárez drug cartel and the "Gente Nueva," or the new people, with the Sinaloa cartel, reputedly headed by Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.

A spokeswoman for the Drug Enforcement Administration in El Paso confirmed that the agency is aware of Los Linces.

"Our intelligence indicates that a group we know as Los Linces are operating in Mexico as an enforcement arm under the Vicente Carrillo Fuentes organization," DEA Special Agent Diana Apodaca said.

Apodaca said there is no indication Los Linces works in El Paso or elsewhere in the U.S.

Mexican authorities said the assault on the birthday party was well-planned. The location was first

scouted and the block was then sealed off and lookouts were posted outside before gunmen entered the party at a house in southeast Juárez. Authorities said the killers believed the students were members of a rival gang.
The attack's alleged mastermind, Adrian "El Rama" Ramirez of El Paso, was later killed in a shootout with soldiers. Jose Dolores Arroyo Chavarria and Israel Arzate Melendez, aka "El 24" or "El Country," have been arrested. More than a dozen suspects remain at large.

Chihuahua Attorney General Patricia Gonzalez said the shooters included men working for an Azteca leader.

"Five members of El Rama's group were backed by people from an Azteca leader. É People from the Azteca leader's group were the only ones who had their mouths and jaws covered" by masks, Gonzalez said.

The gang leader was not named.

Eduardo "Tablas" Ravelo, who is accused of being the Juárez boss for the Barrio Azteca gang, is on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted Fugitives list. A spokeswoman for the FBI in El Paso would not discuss whether Ravelo is the gang leader mentioned by Mexican authorities.

A spokesman for the Chihuahua attorney general's office said no further information on the student killing would be released.

"We cannot give out more information because of the ongoing investigation," spokes man Vladimir Tuexi said. "When we have more precise information we will gladly release it."

The massacre of young people, described as good kids, students and athletes, caused an outcry in Juárez -- a city already numbed by two years of rampant and gruesome violence.

Mexican President Felipe Calderón is scheduled to visit Juárez today. He is expected to present his Juárez Initiative Plan to control the violence. Where he will meet with local officials has not been announced.


los lynxes sounds like some hard core, kill bill type shit.

Glace
02-11-2010, 07:17 PM
The pathetic thing is, if they wanted to clean up that city...they could.

WAY too much money in the drug trade, and they know it.

MasterOfPuppets
02-11-2010, 07:57 PM
Well I finally made it to El Paso. Really want to go south of the border, but after watching the news here, I guess I better keep my gringo butt here.

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MattsMe
02-11-2010, 09:02 PM
:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny:

Tempting.

urgle burgle
02-11-2010, 10:29 PM
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thank you for that....my soul has now been completely erased....just poof, nothing left.
i must now go into the wilderness, find my inner squirrel master, and zen myself into a "happy" place.

tony hipchest
02-11-2010, 10:34 PM
:rofl:

i dont think ive laughed this hard since watching the hangover.

:hatsoff: mop

steelerdude15
02-12-2010, 01:02 AM
That's a shame that 18 people were executed like that. Maybe we should make all those cops train like our cops. I know that won't happen, but I don't know. It just sucks its starting to come on our land.

klick81
02-12-2010, 10:19 AM
I have family four hours south of Juarez, and it sucks that I can't even go down there to visit. They tell me, "Hey, it's not as bad as the media makes it out to be!".

But they also like to tell the stories of the fully automatic weapons they hear firing a few times per week around their neighborhoods.

NO THANKS.

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 12:51 PM
yesterdays murder is getting some national attention here in the states-

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/03/14/mexico.violence/index.html?hpt=T1

3 people associated with U.S. consulate killed in Mexico


(CNN) -- Three people connected to the U.S. consulate in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, were killed in a drive-by shooting in the violent border city, a senior White House official told CNN Sunday.

One of the victims was an American employee at the consulate. Her husband and the husband of a Mexican employee of the consulate were also killed. The shooting happened Saturday afternoon, the official said.

Details of the killings were not immediately available, but the news had reached the White House.

"The President is deeply saddened and outraged by the news of the brutal murders of three people associated with the United States Consulate General in Ciudad Juarez," National Security Council spokesman Mike Hammer said in a statement Sunday. "He extends his condolences to the families and condemns these attacks on consular and diplomatic personnel serving at our foreign missions. In concert with Mexican authorities, we will work tirelessly to bring their killers to justice."

In response, the U.S. State Department authorized the temporary relocation of employees' families working in border-area consulates.

The families of employees at U.S. consulates in Tijuana, Nogales, Ciudad Juarez, Nuevo Laredo, Monterrey and Matamoros are allowed to leave for a period of 30 days "in response to an increase in violence along the Mexican side of its border with the U.S.," State Department spokesman Fred Lash told CNN.

After 30 days, the authorization can be renewed, depending on a review, Lash said, adding that this was not a mandatory evacuation.

Ciudad Juarez is one of the frontlines in Mexico's war against the drug cartels that operate in its territory.

Juarez, located on the border across from El Paso, Texas, has become a focal point of Mexican President Felipe Calderon's anti-drug efforts after the January 31 killings of 15 people there, most of whom were students with no ties to organized crime. The incident sparked outrage across Mexico.

The government has not released official figures, but national media say 7,600 Mexicans lost their lives in the war on drugs in 2009. Calderon said last year that 6,500 Mexicans died in drug violence in 2008.

Meanwhile, farther south in Mexico, at least 25 people were killed in a series of violent incidents in the western Mexican state of Guerrero on Saturday, state officials said.

The bodies of 14 people, including nine civilians and five police officers, were found in various parts of the resort city of Acapulco, the official Notimex news agency reported, citing Guerrero Public Security Secretary Juan Heriberto Salinas.

In the small city of Ajuchitlan del Progreso, 10 civilians and one soldier were killed in two shootouts that started when federal officials tried to carry out search warrants on two locations, Salinas said.

Police in the state were on a heightened security alert, he said.


acapulco now? that cant be good. the tourism industry definitely doesnt want to see that.

tony hipchest
04-28-2010, 08:47 PM
http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_14959082
Juárez nears 5,000 killings
By Daniel Borunda \ El Paso Times
Posted: 04/26/2010 12:00:00 AM MDT



As of Sunday evening, there have been more than 760 murders this year, raising to 4,992 homicides in the Juárez area since 2008 when a drug cartel war erupted, according to a tally kept by the El Paso Times.

The war between the Sinaloa and Juárez drug cartels that began in January 2008 sparked an unprecedented wave of murder, including daytime street shootings, mutilations and massacres.

By comparison, the number of deaths in Juárez surpasses the 4,393 members of the U.S. military who have died in the Iraq war since 2003.

The killings in Juárez have been unrelenting.

On Saturday night, gunmen burst into a funeral vigil for a slain teenager and opened fire, killing three women and wounding 10 others at a house in the Independencia 2 colonia in the southern part of Juárez.

Chihuahua state police said the shooters fired 44 rounds. Police identified the dead as Maria del Carmen Rangel Chacon, 65, Sara Orosco Rangel, 46, and Ernestina Rubio Martinez, who was 55 to 60 years old.

Juárez was still reeling from the brazen ambush of a police patrol that killed six federal officers, a city policewoman and another man on Friday afternoon on a busy street.

Officials said Juárez police are on "red alert," and patrols would now be done in squads of three or four vehicles in an attempt to deter further attacks.

La Linea, or Juárez drug cartel, took credit for the deadly ambush according to a message spray-painted on a wall. The message accused federal police of working for drug lord Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman's rival Sinaloa cartel.

The Associated Press recently reported the Sinaloa cartel was believed to be winning the turf war against La Linea, which in a graffiti message denied it had lost control of the "plaza" or territory.


make that 5009-

8 men killed at bar near Downtown Juárez

Seven of the eight victims killed in this morning's massacre at a bar near Downtown Juárez were young men under 25, Chihuahua state police said.

At least four of them appear to be teenagers, officials said.

None of the victims have been identified.

Police arrived at the bar Aristos about 4:30 a.m. and found the eight bodies in the parking lot. They were all shot in the head.

Juarez Mayor Jose Reyes Ferriz said the bar closed about 2 a.m.,

MEXICO IN FOCUS
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and the eight victims had been outside the bar when the shooting happened.
The bar is located near the crossing of the streets Vicente Guerrero and Honduras, in an area where attacks of that magnitude are rare.

Police found 12 bullets and a 1990 Chevrolet Blazer,


12 bullets, 8 bodies. sounds like execution style in the street.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_14972614?source=pkg

9 killed at Juárez mall parking lot, market, home

Shootings in the parking lot of a mall and outside a supermarket claimed the lives of four men Tuesday in Juárez, and five men were shot and killed in an attack at a home on Monday.

Gunmen fired 16 rounds in an attack at 2:45 p.m. in which three men were killed outside the Smart supermarket on Boulevard Zaragoza and Durango street, said Vladimir Tuexi, spokesman for the Chihuahua state attorney general's office.

A 17-year-old boy was also shot and wounded and taken to a hospital. The slain men had not been identified, but authorities said they appeared to be between 18 and 30 years old. Two of the victims died in the driver and passenger seats of a car.

Around 5 p.m., a man, identified as Marín Orosco, 36, was shot and killed in the parking lot of Plaza Juárez mall on Avenida Tecnológico, officials said.

The shootings were among more than a dozen murders within 24 hours in Mexico's most violent city.

State police on Tuesday identified five men killed in a shooting at a house on Monday night in colonia Infonavit Casas Grandes.

Heavily armed gunmen fired 45 shots at the home, killing three men inside a garage.

One man died while being driven in a truck to a hospital. Another man died at a hospital. One person was wounded and hospitalized.

MattsMe
04-28-2010, 11:06 PM
I've been in el paso now for about 3 months off and on. And it seems like almost every night this stuff makes the news. I have a translator that works for me here, and she's constantly getting phone calls from her family in Juarez about this. It really is like a war zone over there.

Strange, because I read somewhere that el paso is the second safest city in America.

ricardisimo
04-28-2010, 11:29 PM
I've been in el paso now for about 3 months off and on. And it seems like almost every night this stuff makes the news. I have a translator that works for me here, and she's constantly getting phone calls from her family in Juarez about this. It really is like a war zone over there.

Strange, because I read somewhere that el paso is the second safest city in America.

Umm... did you read that in The Onion?

God bless the Drug War. God bless this rocket house and all those who reside within this rocket house.

MattsMe
04-28-2010, 11:34 PM
Umm... did you read that in The Onion?

NO.

http://www.ktsm.com/news/el-paso-second-safest-city

tony hipchest
04-28-2010, 11:44 PM
I've been in el paso now for about 3 months off and on. And it seems like almost every night this stuff makes the news. I have a translator that works for me here, and she's constantly getting phone calls from her family in Juarez about this. It really is like a war zone over there.

Strange, because I read somewhere that el paso is the second safest city in America. i posted some stats (from 2008, i believe) that they had only 22 murders for the year. for a city that size it was the 2nd lowest in the nation.

you may have read how phoenix is the kidnapping capitol of america. for all of the drugs that pass through tijuana and el paso (and the smaller boarder crossings in between) phoenix is the main distribution hub to the rest of america.

it seems to be that a ton of murders in el paso and juarez would be bad for everyone involved, whereas ransom kidnappings in the hub are much more profitable.

thats some pretty organized shit going on.

but atleast theyre sending in the drones...

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/state/Napolitano_says_drug_war_drone_is_coming_to_Texas. html?c=y&page=1#storytop

WASHINGTON — An unarmed reconnaissance drone soon will fly over Texas as drug violence continues to escalate on the U.S.-Mexico border, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told a Senate hearing Tuesday.
Texas is the last border state to receive a Predator drone, and Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said that has hurt the intelligence capabilities of federal, state and local law enforcement.

“I'm concerned that some of the assets that could be deployed to help not only quell the violence but also keep our borders secure, are not being deployed because of unnecessary foot-dragging,” Cornyn said.

Napolitano said Texas was the last Southwest border state to receive a drone because its “airspace is more crowded.”

She said the timeline for placing a drone in Texas, which tentatively would be stored in Corpus Christi, remains a decision for the Federal Aviation Administration.

“The FAA now has to go in and carve out, as I understand it, space for the Predator,” she said.


seeing an ariel view of juarez from a plane taking off is a sight to behold. you could never imagine how so many run down yellow school buses are used as homes. (all the cardboard shacks dont stand out as well from the air).

tony hipchest
09-10-2010, 10:45 PM
http://www.seattlepi.com/national/1102ap_lt_drug_war_mexico.html

25 slain in Mexican city; 85 escape border prison


CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico -- Gunmen killed 25 people in a series of drug-gang attacks in Ciudad Juarez, marking the deadliest day in more than two years for the Mexican border city. Farther east on the border, 85 inmates scaled the walls of a prison and escaped Friday in Mexico's biggest jail break in recent memory.

Despite the violence, President Felipe Calderon hotly disputed a statement this week by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton saying Mexico resembled Colombia two decades ago.

"These kind of comments like the ones made by Secretary of State Clinton ... so careless, so lacking in seriousness, are very painful for Mexico, because they damage Mexico's image terribly," Calderon told the Spanish-language network Univision.

"I think the main thing we have in common with Colombia is that both of our countries suffer from U.S. drug consumption," Calderon said. "We are both victims of the enormous American consumption of drugs, and now the sales of weapons."


The toll in Thursday's attacks in Ciudad Juarez included 15 people killed when attackers stormed four homes in three hours, said Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the Attorney General's Office of Chihuahua state, where Ciudad Juarez is located.

In the worst of those attacks, gunmen burst into a house and killed two young men - then killed four others for being witnesses.

Sandoval said it was the highest single-day murder toll in the city across from El Paso, Texas, since March 2008. He did not give more details of how many died back then, or say what day.

Two graffiti message appeared in Ciudad Juarez threatening Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman, the fugitive head of the Sinaloa drug cartel.

"You are killing our sons. You already did, and now we are going to kill your families," one sign read.

In the border city of Reynosa, across the border from McAllen, Texas, 85 inmates - 66 of whom were convicted or on trial for federal charges like weapons possession or drugs - scaled the Reynosa prison's 20-foot (6-meter) walls using ladders, said the Tamaulipas state public safety secretary, Jose Garza Garcia.

Garza Garcia said 44 prison guards and employees were under investigation. Two were missing.

"The guards evidently helped in the escape," he said. So far this year a total of 201 inmates have escaped from prisons in Tamaulipas.

Friday's escape was the largest single mass prison breakout in recent years. In 2009, armed assailants believed to be working for the Zetas drug gang broke 53 inmates out of a prison in the northern state of Zacatecas while guards stood by and did nothing to stop them.

Ciudad Juarez, with a population of 1.3 million, has become one of the world's most dangerous cities amid a turf war between the Sinaloa and Juarez cartels.

Violence has continued unabated despite the deployment of thousands of soldiers to the city this year. Federal police, including a special investigative unit, later took over security in the city as part of a new strategy announced by President Felipe Calderon.

More than 2,100 people have been killed this year in Ciudad Juarez, putting the city on pace to surpass its previous high of 2,700, set last year.

Daily homicide tolls routinely reach double digits in Juarez; 24 people were killed Aug. 15.

Also Friday, Sandoval confirmed that a U.S. resident kidnapped in Ciudad Juarez last month was found dead.

Saul de la Rosa, 27, was abducted along with two other people when he crossed into Ciudad Juarez on Aug. 28. All three bodies were found Sept. 2, and Sandoval said documents found on De la Rosa indicated he was a U.S. resident.

tony hipchest
09-10-2010, 10:48 PM
25 die in Mexican state on single day

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/09/10/mexico.violence/index.html?hpt=T2

(CNN) -- With 25 people killed in violent outbreaks, Thursday was one of Chihuahua state's deadliest days of the year, the state Investigations Agency said on Friday.

Seven of the victims were women and girls and two were 15 years old, said agency spokesman Arturo Sandoval. One of the males killed was 17, he said.

Additionally, Sandoval said, 14 of the fatalities took place in three incidents in one hour.

In the most violent incident, six people who had gathered outside a house were killed when several men opened fire with AK-47 rifles and 9mm guns. More than 70 shots were fired, and the victims -- ranging in age from 15 to 67 -- were found sprawled in the street.

In Juarez's Granjas de Chapultepec neighborhood, four members of the same family were shot and killed. Two older women were shot in the garage, and two teenaged siblings were found in a closet.

The Reuters news agency said it was the deadliest day in Juarez since 2008, when the raging drug war began in earnest.

Nearly 30,000 people have been killed in drug violence since the government's bloody war on organized crime began in 2006.

The drug cartels are now suspected in the deaths of three mayors in less than a month. The most recent, Mayor Alexander Lopez Garcia of El Naranjo in San Luis Potosi state, was gunned down in his office Wednesday, officials said.

MasterOfPuppets
09-10-2010, 10:59 PM
. "We are both victims of the enormous American consumption of drugs, and now the sales of weapons."
ya see tony...your habits are killing mexican citizens ...:doh:

seriously though, its america's fault that mexico can't find the thousands of acres of pot fields in mexico ? marijuana fields are not hard to spot from the air, since pot gives off more heat than other plants, making it easy to find with infrared. and for the indoor growers, the huge electric consumption is usually a dead giveaway.

tony hipchest
09-10-2010, 11:06 PM
the pot is small fry. it reeks so bad its a risky cargo (drug sniffing dogs) and a pound of it aint worth shit ($100-$200) compared to coke.

urgle burgle
09-10-2010, 11:19 PM
I get it....the U.S. is both the savior and the damnation of the planet. Should we get a handle on our drug consumption? Why yes. Many possibilities on how we could do that effectively. Good conversation. Do some of our weapons get across the border, and used for illegal purposes? Why yes. Again, we could have a good conversation on how to reduce that. I am for that. But, I guess the concept, is that we are at fault for another country's inadequacies and failures. That is where it ends. Mexico, feel for ya', take care of your own shit. There is no real exceptable reason you are so ****ed up. If you didn't move it to us, you would move drugs to somewhere else that would pay. Much easier to do that than take care of your own population and weed out the corruption in your system. Oh hell, i could say more, but I've vented enough. We shall see how it all rides.

MasterOfPuppets
09-10-2010, 11:22 PM
the pot is small fry. it reeks so bad its a risky cargo (drug sniffing dogs) and a pound of it aint worth shit ($100-$200) compared to coke.

dude if you can buy a lb for 1 or 200 bucks then lets go into business ... around here i could easily sell lb's all day for 1500...:chuckle:


Cash From Marijuana Fuels Mexico's Drug War

As Mexico's biggest agricultural export, marijuana generates billions of dollars in revenues each year for the brutal narcotics cartels. By some estimates, it is the most profitable product for the Mexican drug gangs.

Mexico, the world's largest exporter of marijuana, sends almost all of its crops to the U.S. Cannabis also accounts for almost half the cartels' revenues, according to an estimate from the Mexican attorney general's office.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126978142

SteelersinCA
09-11-2010, 12:49 AM
I'm going to Cabo in 2 weeks, wonder if I'll get bombed by molotov ****tails?

MattsMe
09-11-2010, 01:07 AM
Heard on the radio today about how angry federales, fed up with their corrupt superiors, drug them out of their hotel rooms and beat them in the parking lot. Good for them.

MasterOfPuppets
09-11-2010, 01:36 AM
Heard on the radio today about how angry federales, fed up with their corrupt superiors, drug them out of their hotel rooms and beat them in the parking lot. Good for them.
yep...thats mexico's biggest problem... almost EVERYBODY is on the take. its easy to find the ones who aren't...they're the ones in the pine boxes.

MattsMe
09-15-2010, 12:46 AM
A little off topic, I apologize. But while checking the El Paso news for any border violence that may have spilled over, I came across this little gem:

9 men, teen jailed during weekend prostitution sting

http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_16068630

Another man did not have money so he traded various hand tools and a 5-quart container of Peak motor oil to an undercover female officer for an hour of sex.

That should be worth something kinky in return if you ask me.

tony hipchest
10-23-2010, 11:36 PM
13 dead in massacre at house party in Juárez


CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico (AP) - Gunmen stormed two neighboring homes and massacred 13 young people at a birthday party in the latest large-scale attack in this violent border city, even as a new government strategy seeks to restore order with social programs and massive police deployments.
Attackers in two vehicles pulled up to the houses in a lower-middle-class Ciudad Juarez neighborhood late Friday and opened fire on about four dozen partygoers gathered for a 15-year-old boy's birthday party.

The dead identified so far were 13 to 32 years old, including six women and girls, Chihuahua state Attorney General Carlos Salas told reporters at a news conference at the crime scene. The majority of the victims were high school students, a survivor said.

Relatives of the victims gathered outside prosecutors' office, some weeping laments, some shouting demands for justice. All asked not to be identified for fear of reprisals.

"Why, my God, why," shouted the mother of Daniel Figueroa, 16, after she identified her son's body.

"I want to be dead, with my daughter," the mother of a 19-year-old woman killed in the attack told a reporter. "This cannot go on. We want justice, even though nothing can bring her back."

Salas said a total of 20 people were wounded, including a 9-year-old boy. Authorities earlier gave lower numbers for the wounded because some victims were taken by relatives to hospitals throughout the city and were not immediately located.

Residents of Ciudad Juarez, one of the world's deadliest cities, no longer go out much to celebrate because of a violent turf war between the Sinaloa and Juarez cartels, who frequently attack their rivals in bars, restaurants, drug rehab centers and other public places.
One survivor of Friday's massacre said the birthday boy's mother had decided to hold the party at their home, precisely because she thought it was safer. The party spilled over into the neighboring home.

The 16-year-old boy, who did not want to be identified, said an attacker entered one of the homes and asked partygoers about a car parked in front of the home, suggesting the killers may have been following the vehicle. He survived the attack by throwing himself to the floor and other partygoers fell on top of him, shielding him from the bullets.

The survivor said the gunman he saw appeared to be about 20, wearing a baseball cap and carrying a pistol, and simply opened fire after no one answered his questions.

Police found 70 bullet casings from assault weapons typically used by drug gangs whose bloody turf battles have killed more than 2,000 people this year in Ciudad Juarez, across the border from El Paso, Texas.

read more- http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_16415786

MattsMe
10-24-2010, 12:03 AM
Federal authorities say Mexican traffickers are now entrenched in at least 270 American cities.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39812764/ns/world_news-americas

MACH1
10-24-2010, 02:10 AM
Everybody :shout: PANIC

MattsMe
10-31-2010, 01:56 AM
Well I'm headed to El Paso in about 7 hours. I'll only be there a couple of days, but if you never hear from me again, you'll know the violence from Juarez finally spilled over.

ricardisimo
10-31-2010, 04:05 AM
it's been nice knowing you matt........................ :wave:

tony hipchest
10-31-2010, 02:16 PM
Well I'm headed to El Paso in about 7 hours. I'll only be there a couple of days, but if you never hear from me again, you'll know the violence from Juarez finally spilled over.

one of the best - maybe only good things- (unless youre into cheap drugs, of course) about el paso is the women.

lots of fine young latina chicas. enjoy!

F-Shs5vrJKk

MattsMe
10-31-2010, 11:06 PM
Well I got to El Paso just in time to catch the kickoff. After watching that performance, I almost wish I'd missed it.

There's a bunch of families from Juarez staying at the hotel here. They all have little kids in costumes. I talked to one of them and they told me they come here every year because it's not safe for the kids down there. What a shock.

Watching the local news after the game, I see there was another shooting in Juarez today. Close enough for El Paso police to start responding to it before they realized it was on the other side of the border.

This is terrorism, no matter how you spin it. And it's literally right in our back yard.

tony hipchest
11-02-2010, 10:25 PM
still resisting those donkey shows, huh matt?

probably a good thing when people are getting shot at totillerias (a place where they make tortillas).

2 more El Pasoans killed in Juárez

http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_16501980

Two more El Pasoans have been killed in Juárez, a spokesman for the Chihuahua state attorney general's office said today.
Edgar Lopez Ochoa, 35, was shot and killed Saturday evening on the patio of a home in the 5200 block of Cruz Meraz de Valles street in colonia Colorines, officials said. Two other men, Alejandro Enriquez Santana, 36, and Jorge Gomez Duran, 40, were also killed.

On Friday, Lorena Izaguirre Castańeda, 24, was fatally shot along with an unidentified man inside a tortilleria at Altamirano and Articulo 27 streets, officials said.

Arturo Sandoval, a spokesman for the state attorney general's office, said Izaguirre and Lopez are U.S. citizens from El Paso.

The deaths are in addition to the two other U.S. citizens and El Pasoans killed Saturday.

Bowie High School student (Luis) Jose Carlos Araiza, 15, and Joanna Herrera, 27, of Oregon were fatally shot along with while traveling in a BMW near the Zaragoza international bridge Saturday, said an official at the U.S. Consulate in Juárez.

Araiza's brother Guillermo Araiza Hidalgo, 23, who authorities said is a Mexican citizen, was also slain.

More than 2,500 people have been killed in Juárez this year and the violence continued today with seven homicides by this afternoon.


hey, i thought you knew... only muslims can be terrorists.

MattsMe
11-02-2010, 11:43 PM
hey, i thought you knew... only muslims can be terrorists.

http://www.sellinc.com/harris_trix%20rabbit_fv.jpg

Silly rabbit, terrorism is for Arabs.


While I didn't manage to cross donkey show off my bucket list, for obvious safety reasons, (the donkey's safety, not mine), I did manage to cross Carlsbad Caverns off on the way back. I spent about 3 hours in the caves. Amazing stuff.


It's almost surreal watching the nightly news down there.

steelerohio
11-02-2010, 11:47 PM
My father in law was telling me about the Carlsbad Taverns just today... I think I will be checking that stuff out myself. Stop at any casinos?

MattsMe
11-02-2010, 11:54 PM
My father in law was telling me about the Carlsbad Taverns just today... I think I will be checking that stuff out myself. Stop at any casinos?

Carlsbad Taverns? Sounds fun, but I had to drive. :chuckle:

No, I didn't do any gambling this time. I've been to 2 in New Mexico before, Sunland Park and some other one on my way to Colorado. I live within ten minutes of 2 casinos, and within an hour of five more. So I have plenty to choose from when I feel like donating some cash.

steelerohio
11-03-2010, 12:04 AM
Just my luck I am well within reach of three: Hard Rock Casino (where i won really good last night, helps takes away the pain of the Steelers loss) Sandia, and then Santa Ana... Also visited Hollywood Casino just one time... I lost 10 bucks there then quit on my first visit there but I got a free t-shirt.

Still fun though...

One thing I like about the Wal-Marts here: They carry Steelers stuff. I was like :tt03:

tony hipchest
11-03-2010, 10:39 PM
While I didn't manage to cross donkey show off my bucket list, for obvious safety reasons, (the donkey's safety, not mine), I did manage to cross Carlsbad Caverns off on the way back. I spent about 3 hours in the caves. Amazing stuff.:sofunny:

awesome! everybody should go there atleast once. im almost suprized its not one of the 7 natural wonders of the world. that place is a total mindf**k.

did you take the elevator or walk down through the main enterance?

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/42006015.jpg

i finally went and watched the bat flight a few summers ago. theres another complete freak of nature.

MattsMe
11-03-2010, 11:43 PM
did you take the elevator or walk down through the main enterance?

I walked down through the picture you posted. I figured one hour down and then an elevator ride up. 3 hours later I was still walking around mesmerized. I reached the half way point where you can go up the elevators or walk the 1.25 miles to see the rest of the Big Room, and decided why not stay a while and see the rest.

Sadly, I went too late in the year for the bat flight. That would have been an awesome sight. I rented their audio guide, and found out the bats coming out of the cave was how the caverns were first discovered. There were so many of them, and from a good distance away they looked like smoke. Jim White went to investigate, and realized they were bats.

I leave you with my personal favorite, the boob rock.

http://www.thingsthatlooklikeboobs.com/images/09-05-06_carlsbad_caverns_cave_boob.jpg

tony hipchest
11-03-2010, 11:59 PM
lmao! :toofunny:

aso... i see you have done your research.

those foothills are so amazing even w/o the caverns. i often wonder what it mustve been like to be a cowboy following the "smoke" and stumble across that giant hole. (for the religious fanatics, the end is near, so feel free to follow me there to the "bottomless pit").

jim white had some major balls to go pioneering its exploration.

the bat flight is crazy and almost beyond comprehension.

i first went there when i was 3 years old and the memories of that trip are still some of my most vivid and impressionable.

the beautiful and delicious smell of bat guano is one that you will never forget, and it will deliver a flood of dejavu when embraced again.

ricardisimo
11-04-2010, 01:13 AM
I walked down through the picture you posted. I figured one hour down and then an elevator ride up. 3 hours later I was still walking around mesmerized. I reached the half way point where you can go up the elevators or walk the 1.25 miles to see the rest of the Big Room, and decided why not stay a while and see the rest.

Sadly, I went too late in the year for the bat flight. That would have been an awesome sight. I rented their audio guide, and found out the bats coming out of the cave was how the caverns were first discovered. There were so many of them, and from a good distance away they looked like smoke. Jim White went to investigate, and realized they were bats.

I leave you with my personal favorite, the boob rock.

http://www.thingsthatlooklikeboobs.com/images/09-05-06_carlsbad_caverns_cave_boob.jpg
Ahhhh... extraordinarily large boob. :love:

steelerohio
11-04-2010, 01:19 AM
When i go, I will keep an eye out for that boob...

tony hipchest
11-05-2010, 05:15 PM
very good cnn video report of what its like down in juarez (notice how many times "terror" is mentioned or implied).

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2010/11/05/natpkg.witness.to.violence.juarez.cnn?hpt=C2

steelax04
11-05-2010, 10:37 PM
Ahhhh... extraordinarily large boob. :love:

You should take over WarDen's "official" title of bewbmeister extrodinare or whatever the hell he called himself.

Although, I do love me some boobs too........

tony hipchest
11-10-2010, 11:43 PM
Violence erupts in Juárez after alleged hit man slain


http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_16552140


The slaying of an alleged hit man may have set off a string of drug cartel attacks this weekend in a poor neighborhood of southeast Juárez.

Different shootings, including a massacre of seven, and a kidnapping unfolded Saturday in the city plagued by violence. Two of the attacks occurred in Carlos Castillo Peraza, a neighborhood of dirt roads and unfinished homes protected with wood pallets.

Many residents feared the attacks erupted because of the killing of Juan Manuel Escobedo, 42, known in the neighborhood as "El Mouse." Escobedo, who police previously tied to the Juárez drug cartel, is not the suspected target of the recent massacre of 15 people in Horizontes del Sur, also nicknamed "El Mouse."

Gunmen opened fire on Escobedo's SUV on Friday about 8:30 p.m. in the Carlos Castillo Peraza neighborhood.

Police found Escobedo dead on the street next to his yellow SUV with Oklahoma license plates. His passenger, 28-year-old Guillermo Hernández Escamilla, was also wounded and transported to the hospital, where he died an hour later.

...

Only 30 minutes after the massacre, gunmen killed two men and kidnapped another in nearby Parajes de San Juan neighborhood. Police have not identified the men.

Vladimir Tuexi, spokesman for the Chihuahua state attorney general, acknowledged the attacks gained intensity this weekend in those areas of southeast Juárez but said no more information was available.

"Right now, there is nothing we can disclose about what is happening there," he said.

Federal police had arrested Escobedo, the hit man whose killing apparently triggered the violence, earlier this year on suspicion of killing six drug ******* on June 16 at a rehabilitation center and orchestrating 14 murders in 2009.

Police took Escobedo into custody on June 24 after a routine checkpoint in the same neighborhood of Carlos Castillo Peraza. Police found marijuana and weapons in the vehicle Escobedo was driving. That vehicle also had Oklahoma license plates.

It is not clear when, why and under what conditions police released Escobedo. Federal police did not return calls Sunday. [:scratchchin: crooked cops perhaps?]

...


In other parts of Juárez, violence continued during the weekend, killing at least 24 people.

Two police officers were killed Sunday morning in the parking lot of a mall. Blanca Jessica Martínez Puentes, 22, and César Augusto Martínez Hernández, 25, were on duty at the time gunmen attacked them, said Chihuahua state police.

A 45-year-old man, Julián Espinoza Estrada, was stoned to death Sunday in Barreales, a small town in the Juárez Valley.

A dismembered body was found Saturday morning in south Juárez. Police found three black bags: one with the head of an unidentified man, another one with the arms and legs chopped off and a third one with the torso.

ricardisimo
11-11-2010, 01:20 AM
Federal police had arrested Escobedo, the hit man whose killing apparently triggered the violence, earlier this year on suspicion of killing six drug ******* on June 16 at a rehabilitation center and orchestrating 14 murders in 2009.
I was trying to figure out what word a mainstream newspaper could have used that our forum would star out, then I realized it was "a d d i c t s". That's just a sad reminder of the paranoia of the previous regime here. Can we get that changed?

As far as Juarez... damn. That's all I can say.

tony hipchest
11-11-2010, 01:42 AM
better yet, we are just gonna censor the word u n i v e r s e. :toofunny:

(seriously though, i thought the same thing when i re-read the article and saw the profanity filter in action- the absurdity of the wahoo's will be looked into :mg:).

the el paso paper leaves nothing short of good reading. one only needs to check it out about once a week to stumble across the latest massacre or body dismemberment.

the 2 US citizen UTEP students recently mowed down by drug lord's lead seems to be a rather big story as well..

tony hipchest
11-14-2010, 01:29 AM
Carlsbad Taverns? Sounds fun, but I had to drive. :chuckle:

No, I didn't do any gambling this time. I've been to 2 in New Mexico before, Sunland Park and some other one on my way to Colorado. I live within ten minutes of 2 casinos, and within an hour of five more. So I have plenty to choose from when I feel like donating some cash.speaking of driving.... a bit off topic of the thread, but i just recently drove all the way through the middle of OK.

whats up with the same damn interstate being called 3 seperate toll roads with 3 seperate booths to pay? WTF? :wtf:

and whats up with the sides of their roads and the middle of nowhere being mowed to be the most finely cropped land 100 miles from anywhere (and in the entire midwest)?

mowing wild grass there seems about as productive as shoveling sand here. :noidea:

MattsMe
11-14-2010, 01:43 AM
speaking of driving.... a bit off topic of the thread, but i just recently drove all the way through the middle of OK.

whats up with the same damn interstate being called 3 seperate toll roads with 3 seperate booths to pay? WTF? :wtf:

and whats up with the sides of their roads and the middle of nowhere being mowed to be the most finely cropped land 100 miles from anywhere (and in the entire midwest)?

mowing wild grass there seems about as productive as shoveling sand here. :noidea:

:chuckle:

Welcome to the wonderful passageway known as I-44.

(Unless you meant the Creek Turnpike in Tulsa, which has at least that many names, and tolls.)

If you follow 44 from Texas to Tulsa there's actually 4 tolls you get to pay. It's only a total of $8.75, and your money buys you the right to enjoy needless road construction that never seems to actually happen, the wonderful pleasure of Oklahoma City traffic, and the miles and miles of well kept grass you speak of. And the beauty of it is, the state has millions and millions of dollars in unspent toll money, and they just raised the prices a year or so ago.

Speaking of road construction, I noticed the highway going south out of Carlsbad (180 I think) still isn't finished. And the old part seemed perfectly smooth to me.

I liked New Mexico though. I was just going through my phone and found a picture of the giant pistachio in Alomogordo. I think that was where I stopped for some cherry cider too on my way from Colorado. The first drink was enough, but I couldn't stop.

tony hipchest
11-14-2010, 01:50 AM
:chuckle:



I liked New Mexico though. I was just going through my phone and found a picture of the giant pistachio in Alomogordo.

i have no idea what you are talking about. :hunch:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/lakepistachio044.jpg

MattsMe
11-14-2010, 01:53 AM
i have no idea what you are talking about. :hunch:

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/lakepistachio044.jpg

You're a nut!

Frd53vbCHLg

tony hipchest
11-14-2010, 02:10 AM
And the beauty of it is, the state has millions and millions of dollars in unspent toll money, and they just raised the prices a year or so ago.

Speaking of road construction, I noticed the highway going south out of Carlsbad (180 I think) still isn't finished. And the old part seemed perfectly smooth to me.

.

I-44 it is. i swear theres nothing withing a 100 mile radius of OKC other than grass and mowers.

new mexico's state tree is the orange road construction barrel.

OK can always donate some of that money to missouri to trim all those damn trees.

sometimes being a desert rat you miss out on some of the finer things in life, such as grass, trees.... or water. :doh:

ricardisimo
11-14-2010, 03:52 PM
speaking of driving.... a bit off topic of the thread, but i just recently drove all the way through the middle of OK.

whats up with the same damn interstate being called 3 seperate toll roads with 3 seperate booths to pay? WTF? :wtf:

and whats up with the sides of their roads and the middle of nowhere being mowed to be the most finely cropped land 100 miles from anywhere (and in the entire midwest)?

mowing wild grass there seems about as productive as shoveling sand here. :noidea:
You should try driving across France sometime. I've never seen anything like it. You'd drive 20 km and there'd be a toll, then another 5 km and another toll, then 40 and another toll, and so on... no rhyme or reason, and no correlation of kms-to-€s. The short routes would sometimes charge as much or more than the long stretches. :banging:

So far as I could tell, it was some kind of experiment with privatization. I was in a murderous rage by the time we got to Bordeaux. Probably a glimpse of the future here as well.

MattsMe
12-14-2010, 10:35 PM
A new milestone.

Mexican border city hits 3,000 dead in drug war

http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/12/14/2704863/mexican-border-city-hits-3000.html

The Associated Press

CIUDAD JUAREZ, Mexico — Authorities say this year's death toll in drug-related violence in the border city of Ciudad Juarez rose to 3,000 Tuesday after two men were shot dead on a street.

Juarez is the city hardest hit by Mexico's drug war and has seen its homicide rate rise to one of the highest in the world. That's after vicious turf battles broke out between gangs representing the Juarez and Sinaloa drug cartels in 2008.

That year, 1,623 people were killed in drug-related violence, and the toll increased to 2,763 deaths in 2009.

With prosecutors' spokesman Arturo Sandoval announcing the latest grim milestone, a total of 7,386 people have died in the city of 1.3 million people across the border from El Paso, Texas, in three years.

tony hipchest
12-14-2010, 11:32 PM
i remember thinking 1600 in a year was unbelievable.

it is nowhere close to getting better-

4,000 Juárez doctors go on strike


http://www.elpasotimes.com/news/ci_16852559




JUAREZ -- It was a different kind of strike.

In this one, physicians were not demanding better working conditions, higher salaries or better benefits.

In a city that averages nine murders a day, about 4,000 doctors refused to work Monday in a drastic measure to protest the government's inability to curtail drug-cartel violence.

"We physicians are asking public safety for Juárez," said Isela Martínez, a surgeon. "It is not only for us, but we see ourselves as leaders in public opinion."

At 8 a.m. Monday, thousands of physicians went on a 24-hour strike that may extend beyond today. A doctors' committee roughly calculated that between 4,000 and 4,500 doctors stopped working as a form of protest.

The four largest private hospitals shut their doors and would take only emergency patients such as victims of shootings and car accidents. Dozens of smaller clinics joined the strike and closed their doors.

Three public hospitals run by the Mexican Institute of Social Security, or IMSS, were operating with minimal staff.

Hospital administrators brought in resident physicians from Chihuahua City to fill the gap left by the angry strikers.

At another public hospital, the Institute for Social Security and Services for State Workers, the strike may go on for 48 hours.

Activities did not


seem out of the ordinary at some of the public hospitals Monday, but some patients were not finding their doctors. They lost their long-awaited appointments.
Esperanza Díaz took her 6-year-old daughter who has Down syndrome and heart problems to one of the IMSS hospitals. Díaz traveled two hours on a bus only to find her pediatrician was on strike.

"It is very important a doctor sees her every two months," she said.

Doctors also were worried.

At least 200 of them gathered Monday morning to formulate a petition at a basketball court of the Mexican Institute of Social Security's labor union offices. The doctors -- some of whom have been kidnapped and the majority extorted -- seemed nervous and frustrated as they sat and waited.

One of their demands was for authorities to solve the kidnapping and murder of José Alberto Betancourt, an orthopedic surgeon who lived in El Paso. He was kidnapped at gunpoint on Dec. 2 and found dead two days later. His slaying triggered the strike.

The doctors also demanded more investigative agents and the cleansing of the local police corps. Physicians also want more soldiers and the Mexican federal police to decrease their presence.

"The government has not listened to us and that is why we had to resort to striking" said one of the leaders of the Juárez doctors' committee, Leticia Chavarría. "We know that it is affecting our community, but it is the only way."

Some ideas doctors voiced were "radical," they said, but necessary to put pressure on the government.

Dr. Alejandro Flores Olivares, who practices general surgery at IMSS, for instance, said doctors do not want to treat patients who are known to be criminals.

"It is outrageous that we are saving the lives of those who steal from us, those who attack us and kill us," he said.

Flores said some private hospitals receive calls threatening doctors to let patients -- and alleged rival drug-gang members-- die or face death. Criminal groups have kidnapped at least 20 doctors since drug-cartel violence erupted in Juárez in 2008.

One of them was a surgeon who did not want to be identified, fearing for his life.

Two years ago, he received a call from a woman claiming she needed an appointment. Instead, five gunmen arrived and abducted him for the four days leading to Christmas Eve of 2008.

"We had to pay ransom," he said.

The gunmen freed him, and he filed a police report on his kidnapping. "To this day, I am waiting for them to solve the crime," he said.

Most doctors participating in the strike did not have high hopes. They said worse things are yet to come, but they will be ready to respond.

"Every time a doctor is kidnapped, we will go on strike again," Chavarría said.

tony hipchest
12-14-2010, 11:45 PM
for those not aware, the cartels shake down everyone. teachers, doctors, cops, business owners, old ladies who live in the neighborhood.... EVERYONE.

if you dont pay for "protection" you are toast. :bringit:

tony hipchest
02-25-2011, 12:09 AM
a new year... a new death toll count. so far this year juarez is up to 400. (last year ended with about 3100)-

53 slain in 72 hours in Juárez


http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_17440246?source=pkg

In one of the deadliest three days that officials can remember, more than 50 people were killed in Juárez.

Among the 53 victims between Thursday and Saturday were a Juárez police officer, a municipal patrolman and a state investigator.

According to Chihuahua state officials it was the most violent three-day period seen this year. State police reported that on average eight people are killed in Juárez every day.

More than 150 people have been killed in Juárez this month, according to the state police.

Since a war broke out between the Juárez and Sinaloa drug cartels in 2008, more than 7,600 people have been killed in Juárez. Last year, 3,112 people were murdered in Juárez.

The violence began to pick up Thursday with 14 slayings, including a municipal police officer and an investigator with the state police.

A shootout between police and hit men Thursday morning left a police officer and two alleged hit men dead. Two other police officers and two suspects were wounded during the attack that occurred at the Arroyo Sur and Moro Macho streets in the Las Lilas subdivision.

Chihuahua police identified the officer as Ricardo Torillo Sandoval, who had worked for the Juárez police department since 1998.

Later that day, state police investigator Jesús Manuel Cruz Landin, 28, was shot and killed on his way home in the Lázaro Cárdenas neighborhood

MattsMe
02-25-2011, 12:13 AM
You read my mind! I was reading this article a couple hours ago and was going to dig up this thread, but got distracted listening to music.

It's amazing that this still isn't more of a national issue. Too much money to be made in the drug trade I guess.

tony hipchest
02-25-2011, 12:28 AM
yeah, as the steelers got deeper into their playoff run i kinda took a break from following the carnage.

thats the great thing about the juarez death count. you can tune back in at any time and find plenty of greusome articles as if you hadnt missed a beat. same ol shit different day.

im only just a bit suprized that it seems its getting worse.

todays action was 3 young girls slain playing in their back yard (father was the supposed "target") and an 86 year old lady beaten to death in her home with a hammer to her face.

tony hipchest
02-25-2011, 12:38 AM
KFOX 14 report: Many El Pasoans admit they overlook the rising death toll in Juárez


http://www.elpasotimes.com/juarez/ci_17441504?source=pkg



EL PASO, Texas -- Mexican President Felipe Calderon said he will be strengthening armed forces presence along the border which has become a bloody battleground. Fifty-three people were killed in just the three days. It shocked some, but it is everyday life for others.

When asked how many murders she thought there were in Juarez so far this year, one woman replied, “I’d say 30 or 40."

Her answer was off by several hundred.

"I would say about 200, 300," answered Miguel Duarte, of central El Paso.

A little more than 300 murders so far in 2011 is the correct answer.

"Ugh, no way. That's crazy," said one woman.

She has been visiting from out of town. When asked if she was scared to come to El Paso because of the violence across the border, she answered, “no."

She said she has heeded the warnings.

"I've seen it on the news a lot and it's just scary," she said.

It's the media coverage that has people living across the border immune from the daily deaths. There were 53 over the weekend, including four police officers.

"Everyday it's the same thing," said Duarte.

"It's something you get used to hearing about. It's very common now," said Natividad Villapando, of central El Paso.

Villapando has had a first-hand account of the violence. A woman she worked with was carjacked.

"She actually didn't want to give up her car, but there wasn't much choice with that," said Villapando.

She was one of the lucky ones. On Friday, a municipal police officer became one of 20 victims. He was killed by an assassin who belonged to a band of carjackers. It is a reality check for many El Pasoans who often times overlook the daily tally of murders.

"Who knows how long it takes before it might come over here," said Villapando.

At the beginning of 2011, a researcher at a Juarez university projected about 5,000 people would be murdered in the city this year. That is about 2,000 more than 2010.

An estimated 8,000 people have been killed in the city since the turf war began between battling cartels in 2006.

MattsMe
02-25-2011, 12:54 AM
It's definitely true there's a disconnect between the perception in El Paso and the reality of what's happening just 2 to 3 miles away. It's literally like a different world. Watching nightly news there just doesn't seem real. It's like they're reporting in some far away country, while the truth is you could take an evening stroll and walk right into the middle of it before you broke a sweat.

Even with the bullets crossing the border last year there doesn't seem to be any real effort from the American side to change things over there.

I worked with 2 people who lived most of the time in Juarez, and even they just accept it as a part of life, and move on. They're not shocked, and don't expect it to change any time soon.