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onefortheotherhand
09-13-2009, 07:49 PM
im seeing all these posts about how it would be better to go to our passing attack, while other are strongly supporting our run game.

so i ask you guys, which would you prefer?

IMO i like our air game, we have a great corp of receivers, Ward who'll catch any ball coming his way, and will take hits as well as deliver them, santonio who is a fast rising star in the NFL, Sweed our tallest WR(i think) who can hopefully focus enough to start catching balls and get open, and rookie speedster mike wallace. Mcdonald is also a very solid backup . I dont think i have to say anything about how great big ben is either

steelpride12
09-13-2009, 07:52 PM
Ya because I guess after ONE GAME against a top 10 defense our run game should just never be used again this season?

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
09-13-2009, 07:55 PM
Ya because I guess after ONE GAME against a top 10 defense our run game should just never be used again this season?

Not sure thats what hes getting at here... But hell.. Our run game sucked Its no fault to Willie or Mendenhal... Our OLINE needs to run block.....

onefortheotherhand
09-13-2009, 07:57 PM
Ya because I guess after ONE GAME against a top 10 defense our run game should just never be used again this season?

we also had trouble last year against shyt defences...arizona comes to mind

steelpride12
09-13-2009, 08:02 PM
we also had trouble last year against shyt defences...arizona comes to mind

and still won the super bowl.

Steelboy84
09-13-2009, 08:03 PM
If we are to repeat as champs, an exclusive pass-only offense will NOT get it done. We need to establish the run in order to make another run at a title. This means better run blocking and our backs and hitting the hole, not dancing. *cough* *cough* Willie Parker *cough*

mesaSteeler
09-13-2009, 08:06 PM
and still won the super bowl.

It was much closer than it should have been.

onefortheotherhand
09-13-2009, 08:07 PM
i read a thread earlier and i remeber someone saying something about using the pass to set up the run, i thought that was a pretty good idea

mesaSteeler
09-13-2009, 08:09 PM
i read a thread earlier and i remeber someone saying something about using the pass to set up the run, i thought that was a pretty good idea

Until you try it in December on a frozen, snow covered, windy field. If we are go to be a passing first team we'd better build a dome in the burgh.

headymessman86
09-13-2009, 08:11 PM
It's essential to have a balanced attack.
We become one dimensional, the good teams will adjust and it could be lights out for Ben.
It amazes me watching us and other teams in the shotgun formation on 3rd and 1 or 2.
Just punch the damn thing through. Hell, Ben falls forward he gains a yard, even without The Bus in the backfield to give him a push.

hindes204
09-13-2009, 08:15 PM
i dont care what we do....as long as we keep winning

mesaSteeler
09-13-2009, 08:20 PM
It's essential to have a balanced attack.
We become one dimensional, the good teams will adjust and it could be lights out for Ben.
It amazes me watching us and other teams in the shotgun formation on 3rd and 1 or 2.
Just punch the damn thing through. Hell, Ben falls forward he gains a yard, even without The Bus in the backfield to give him a push.

:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit:

Christian Snyder
09-13-2009, 08:26 PM
Balance... because of what another member said... "We become one dimensional, the good teams will adjust and it could be lights out for Ben. "

onefortheotherhand
09-13-2009, 08:28 PM
It's essential to have a balanced attack.
We become one dimensional, the good teams will adjust and it could be lights out for Ben.
It amazes me watching us and other teams in the shotgun formation on 3rd and 1 or 2.
Just punch the damn thing through. Hell, Ben falls forward he gains a yard, even without The Bus in the backfield to give him a push.

if that worked dont you think we could be doing that everytime? our Oline get pushed so far back so we usually end up losing yardage

sharkweek
09-13-2009, 10:08 PM
The goal is balance, but as long as teams stack us against the run, we need to pass more than we do.

Establish an aggressive passing game to open up the run.

HometownGal
09-13-2009, 10:20 PM
The goal is balance, but as long as teams stack us against the run, we need to pass more than we do.

Establish an aggressive passing game to open up the run.

:thumbsup::applaudit:

Exactly. Ben has the weapons to engineer a successful passing attack but the run must be established at some point, as balance is key.

devilsdancefloor
09-13-2009, 11:32 PM
honestly with all the damn rules against DB we should throw more since we have a godsend of a QB. i mean next rule change will be 5 yard penalty on NO 43 he made eye contact with the reciever. throw and set the damn run.

Mags87
09-13-2009, 11:53 PM
i dont care what we do....as long as we keep winning

i think we got a winner! i think that we should let the guys whos job it is to decide the game plan (Tomlin and his crew) study each opponent every week and do what they think is right to win. its worked out pretty well in the past two years IMO

Steelers & I
09-14-2009, 01:06 AM
I prefer a balanced attack but anymore, I don't really care how they do it. The offense is what it is and our debating isn't going to change a thing. If the Steelers have to limp across the finish line then so be it, but my money is on the belief that they'll cross the line in first place, limping or not. :tt03:

7SteelGal43
09-14-2009, 01:35 AM
and still won the super bowl.

That argument only goes so far.

Don't get me wrong, I love that we have a helluva passing game and as long as we're winning, I'm a happy l'il camper. But we need the balance of an effective run game, too. What happens when we face a team that can all but shut down our passing game ? Or if we lose Hines or Santo to injury ? The running game is what most teams use to run down some clock when they have a lead late. And don't forget, of our three td's in SuperBowl XL, two of 'em were rushing TDs. One the longest rushing td play in SuperBowl history...just sayin.

markymarc
09-14-2009, 05:28 PM
The goal is balance, but as long as teams stack us against the run, we need to pass more than we do.

Establish an aggressive passing game to open up the run.

You are absolutely correct. Last year and even the first game this season teams are daring us to run into a box with 8 defenders. I truly believe that going forward we must pass to set up the run.

AllD
09-14-2009, 05:42 PM
I voted for the Flying Circus. I would have voted for more running if we could. However, if we are to repeat some sort of running attack must be found. Sooner or later BB is going to have a bad game and the D or STs may not be in the right place to win one.

The one saving point is the "soft schedule". Not only do we play some weaker teams, but we get to watch the Raven play some of the contenders first and soften them up. Last time a true passing team won the SB was in 2000 with the Rams.

onefortheotherhand
09-14-2009, 06:49 PM
i think we should be running mendy a li more because it seems like he needs for touches to get the feel for the game

Galax Steeler
09-15-2009, 04:28 AM
I went with balance. It would be so great to have the running game back if they keyed in on our run that would open it up down field for some big gaines.

steelrush
09-15-2009, 05:49 AM
I definetely choose the running game.
An issue that's very, very discussed at this moment. The fact is that we, as for right now, DON'T have a viable running game!:banging:

Granted Mewelde Moore and Mendenhall are doing their best, but their best thus far just doesn't do it! Willie is fast of course, but he isn't the big-power Bettis type HB that we need either. 'Cose that's what we need. Logan is a rookie and a return specialist and maybe he -in time- will be a better HB then Willie is. He seems somehow bulkier and better fit to break the first tackle then Willie is.
The big, big problem with Willie is that he's going down way too easy!

So, we really need to get the running game running. We ain't gonna make it to the SB without it for the second time, that's for sure.

Oh yeah...and our O-line. As hollow as it seems to be, it's kindda better then the running game. But boy do we need it to be more productive...
:tt03:

sharkweek
09-15-2009, 08:22 AM
I definetely choose the running game.
An issue that's very, very discussed at this moment. The fact is that we, as for right now, DON'T have a viable running game!:banging::

Yes, we need the running game to get better, but this thread is about what our offense should focus on. If we focus more on running when teams are already game-planning trying to beat us by taking away our running game it just isn't going to work. And its not going to get any better any time soon until we can retool and OL that can just flat out dominate the other team. That can't happen very easily, and certainly not now that the season has started. So that means we have to work with what we have now.

HOWEVER, even then you cannot bank on a running game. Just look at teams like us or the Vikings, such teams only give up a 100+ yard rusher once a blue moon. You just simply can't count on it.

So how do you counter? How do you rush on teams that even have phenomenal rush defenses? By opening it up with the pass...

The goal is balance, we want to find success through bout the ground and air. However it isn't that hard for teams to take away one aspect if they really dedicate themselves to it, and taking away the run is much easier than taking away the pass if you have all the right weapons, and we have those weapons in amazing receivers, TEs, and RBs that can catch, and easily one of the best QBs to throw to them.

That being said, if we want to have success running and become more balanced, we need to get teams to change their game plan for us, we need them thinking we're going to burn them through the air. And the best way to do that is to focus on the pass, at least for the short term.

revefsreleets
09-16-2009, 09:28 AM
Lot's of good thoughts here...and I concur with the general idea that as we become more of a passing team, and other teams prepare for us as a passing team, the running game will dial in.

Of course, there will be unhappy people then as well, but such is the nature of this beast...

Fire Haley
09-16-2009, 09:36 AM
I think anybody that starts an *Official* thread without official permission from the head official should be banned.

SteelerEmpire
09-16-2009, 09:44 AM
A pass-heavy offense has worked for New England.... so I think it will work for us as we do have the arsenal for it. If the run game just isen't there in a game, then it just isen't there. Why use our weaknesses, and not use our strength's ?? As Jimmy Johnson said the other day about the Steelers offense.... the run game "helps" both the defense and offense, but the passing game gets points on the board.....

SteelMember
09-16-2009, 09:56 AM
I think anybody that starts an *Official* thread without official permission from the head official should be banned.

So, your not "officially" down for the 5 wide flying circus? :chuckle:

Me, I say balance.
We need to be able to do both. Mix it up. Keep the D guessing. Sure, it's nice to be able to "force your will" on an opposing team, but we're nowhere close to that at this point.

Fire Haley
09-16-2009, 10:05 AM
So, your not "officially" down for the 5 wide flying circus?

I'm down baby. I'm down.

Not just a passing team.

A shotgun, no-huddle, ball control, passing team full of playmakers.
The best offensive talent we've had in 20 years. Use them.

Let the '3 yds and cloud of dust' clods go home and cry

mmalone
09-16-2009, 11:33 AM
I went with balance. It would be so great to have the running game back if they keyed in on our run that would open it up down field for some big gaines.

logic:

if you play a team with a defense thats ranked top 10 aganst the rush.
crappy on the pass.

you would play say 70% pass -- 30% rush

if you play a team with a defense thats ranked top ten against the pass.
crappy on the rush.

you would play say maybe 70% run -- 30% pass.

then depending on the game as it goes. you would use your TE more say if he was killing the D.. or the WR or the RB and so on.. pound the other teams weakness until they adjust right?

so in logic the best , strongest team would be the team that can attack anyway on any given sunday right?? balance right?

attack the weakness right?

this is why we win games and rings......

balanced attack is the what you want.

:tt:

CPanther95
09-16-2009, 12:11 PM
Thank God. At first glance, I thought this was a thread proposing we start running the "Option".

LVSteelersfan
09-16-2009, 12:52 PM
If the flying circus works, teams will have to back off which in turn will open up the running game. If someone already said this, I didn't read the whole thread. So do the flying circus for a couple weeks and open up the running game. I also think we need to do more QB sneaks on third and long. Quick snap with a QB sneak to catch them off guard. It worked great for Jamarcus Russell who is nowhere near the QB that Ben is.

revefsreleets
09-16-2009, 01:55 PM
logic:

if you play a team with a defense thats ranked top 10 aganst the rush.
crappy on the pass.

you would play say 70% pass -- 30% rush

if you play a team with a defense thats ranked top ten against the pass.
crappy on the rush.

you would play say maybe 70% run -- 30% pass.

then depending on the game as it goes. you would use your TE more say if he was killing the D.. or the WR or the RB and so on.. pound the other teams weakness until they adjust right?

so in logic the best , strongest team would be the team that can attack anyway on any given sunday right?? balance right?

attack the weakness right?

this is why we win games and rings......

balanced attack is the what you want.

:tt:

Please, for the love of all that is good and sacred and holy, NEVER profess to be the purveyor of "logic" again. It's simply anathema to you...

Balance is 50/50...MOST teams will hover around it....the team who rushed the ball the MOST last year was the Giants, and they ran 502 times compared to 491 passing attempts. That's pretty close to 50/50.

The most out of balance team I could find after a quick look was NO, who passed 636 times compared to 398 runs, which is pretty close to 60/40, but still nowhere near 70/30, and I think the Saints were pretty anomalous if you look at long-term trends (also important to note, the Saints, in spite of all that passing, ended up 9-7 and missed the playoffs)

Bottom line, I expect the Steelers will end up being, at WORST, a team that is 55/45 pass (and even that is probably a bit of a stretch), probably more like 53/47, and will win a ton of games employing that offensive ratio...

SteelMember
09-16-2009, 02:18 PM
I think you lost him at anathema...or maybe even please. :hunch:

revefsreleets
09-16-2009, 02:22 PM
I think you lost him at anathema...or maybe even please. :hunch:

I think he's been cribbing shit from other boards...which is fine, because it's 10,000X more concise than what his own brain can generate, even if it IS plagiarized and he doesn't understand what he's cutting and pasting...

Indo
09-16-2009, 02:47 PM
Please, for the love of all that is good and sacred and holy, NEVER profess to be the purveyor of "logic" again. It's simply anathema to you...

Anathema?

You mean,like, "The Star Spangled Banner"? :grin:

memphissteelergirl
09-16-2009, 03:09 PM
That argument only goes so far.

Don't get me wrong, I love that we have a helluva passing game and as long as we're winning, I'm a happy l'il camper. But we need the balance of an effective run game, too. What happens when we face a team that can all but shut down our passing game ? Or if we lose Hines or Santo to injury ? The running game is what most teams use to run down some clock when they have a lead late. And don't forget, of our three td's in SuperBowl XL, two of 'em were rushing TDs. One the longest rushing td play in SuperBowl history...just sayin.

:thumbsup::applaudit:

onefortheotherhand
09-16-2009, 03:33 PM
some people are not getting what this thread is about. i know people WANT a running game but if you were the coach would you keep running if your Oline whiffed blocks and running backs keep getting stoppped in the backfield?

im saying like what we should do with our offense, based on our team and what we CAN do instead of what we want to do

PeckerWood
09-16-2009, 03:45 PM
IMHO, Use the passing game to set up the running game. Hit Miller, Mendy, Ward, and Holmes with a catch or two before even thinking about running the ball.

In other words stretch the field sideline to sideline and line of scrimmage to goal line in the opposing defense's mind. Get their safties and outside linebackers to think pass first. Imho, should help open some running lanes.

If theres 7-8 defenders in the box throw the ball if theres less then 7 defenders in the box run the ball.

:thumbsup:

revefsreleets
09-16-2009, 03:48 PM
some people are not getting what this thread is about. i know people WANT a running game but if you were the coach would you keep running if your Oline whiffed blocks and running backs keep getting stoppped in the backfield?

im saying like what we should do with our offense, based on our team and what we CAN do instead of what we want to do

Yes, because you can't pass every down.

Of course, this is based on the extremely shaky premise that every week we are going to face a superior defense like Tennessee's who are ALSO completely committed to stopping the run. When you figure in the simple fact that we won't, this thread has no legs at all, but I don't want to be a buzzkill...

onefortheotherhand
09-16-2009, 03:53 PM
this thread is meant to be on-going throughout the season.

revefsreleets
09-16-2009, 03:56 PM
this thread is meant to be on-going throughout the season.

Oh, good...then I already answered that one...I COULD make a prediction as to how this thread will go throughout the season, but, in the ultimate irony of ironies, even THAT has become super predictable...

markymarc
09-17-2009, 06:02 PM
Of course, this is based on the extremely shaky premise that every week we are going to face a superior defense like Tennessee's who are ALSO completely committed to stopping the run.

So are you saying that the Stains and Bungles defense aren't on the same level as the Titans :chuckle:

Fire Haley
09-18-2009, 08:14 AM
Bruce Arians Interview...expect more passing this week

On the Steelers plan with their running backs:

We definitely have a plan. Rashard's going to take the third series, and any time Willie [Parker] gets tired he'll come out. If we get into a very long no-huddle mode Mewelde is the no-huddle guy. In short yardage, whoever is in the game.


On the no-huddle offense:


That package has tripled in size now. It's damn near the whole offense. We worked a lot in the spring and in training camp with more than just 3 wides, with that two tight end one back package, so it's evolved so he can use almost 80% of the playbook in it. And he's gotten very proficient at it. A lot of times I've had quarterbacks who could play that fast and the other 10 guys couldn't. The other 10 guys are playing at the same speed he is playing at in the no-huddle which makes it work. We've got two play callers basically. I allow him to call the plays in that situation 'cause he's out there and he knows what we're looking for. He's got the menu and he runs with it. So you've got two play-callers to defend myself and him and that helps.


Why they don't use the no-huddle all game:


Well we're not Buffalo. [Laughs]. We're not the K-Gun of Jim Kelly. But we could be. We could be very easily. We still want to maintain some Steeler football, and try to do some more things. I think you have to have all of them, you really have to have everything. When you go back and study the K-Gun sometimes their inefficiencies in short yardage and goal line hurt them, because I was playing against them a couple times. My biggest concern with the ballgame last week and going into this week is short yardage and goal line.

http://stations.espn.go.com/stations/espnradio1250/blog?id=3507954