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SteelerEmpire
09-22-2009, 04:35 PM
I haven't seen but just 2 "Bombs" thrown this season by Ben (that "I" can remember)... I know that Wallace and Sweed (although Sweed's been injured) has the speed and are supposed to be the one's that can get past defenses.... Holmes has the speed / cunning also... Note that out of the two attempts 1 was a TD by Holmes... the other was "gonna" be a TD by Wallace but Ben under threw him (both in game one).... I think it would be reasonable to call these plays more often as it appears we can make it happen.... especially when the Offense seems to be struggling with running the ball and short passes.... just get it over with and "Bomb" a TD to Wallace.... :thumbsup:

Preacher
09-22-2009, 04:38 PM
Well, there was a third, and it was an INT because Ben got hit by Starks' guy.

Last year, people were complaining about all the throws down field. "we need shorter throws" "We need screens"

I understand what you are saying, but it seems that no matter what is done to accommodate our offense, there are those who want the opposite.

steelreserve
09-22-2009, 04:43 PM
The Bears game kind of ruled that out -- the wind and rain are not very good for the deep passing game. The plays that were succeeding (for both teams) were the shorter dump-offs and such.

It seems to me like Ben's not at his best throwing way down the field anyway. He's awesome at hitting passes through tiny openings like 20-25 yards downfield, but for a 40-yard bomb, the receiver had better be wide open.

SteelC7
09-22-2009, 05:02 PM
ya theres been a few bombs thrown, only one completed, and the others under or over-thrown

SteelTalons
09-22-2009, 05:06 PM
I haven't seen but just 2 "Bombs" thrown this season by Ben (that "I" can remember)... I know that Wallace and Sweed (although Sweed's been injured) has the speed and are supposed to be the one's that can get past defenses.... Holmes has the speed / cunning also... Note that out of the two attempts 1 was a TD by Holmes... the other was "gonna" be a TD by Wallace but Ben under threw him (both in game one).... I think it would be reasonable to call these plays more often as it appears we can make it happen.... especially when the Offense seems to be struggling with running the ball and short passes.... just get it over with and "Bomb" a TD to Wallace.... :thumbsup:

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Al? Is that you? Not that I care if we throw "bombs" or not but the completion percentage drops the more you launch it down field... Plunkett anyone? I don't mind a few to keep the defenses honest though don't get me wrong.

Preacher
09-22-2009, 05:12 PM
The Bears game kind of ruled that out -- the wind and rain are not very good for the deep passing game. The plays that were succeeding (for both teams) were the shorter dump-offs and such.

It seems to me like Ben's not at his best throwing way down the field anyway. He's awesome at hitting passes through tiny openings like 20-25 yards downfield, but for a 40-yard bomb, the receiver had better be wide open.


Yep.

I think Ben just isn't comfortable throwing the ball up downfield and letting his receivers athleticism do all the work. It looks more like Ben takes on the responsibility to get the ball right to the receiver... meaning that he would rather drill it right to the guy than float it for the guy to run too it.

Funny thing is, I have no idea how the Santo play last year in the playoffs against the Ravens plays into that!

LVSteelersfan
09-22-2009, 05:25 PM
Sorry, but our Oline is not conducive to a long passing game. We are doing better with the intermediate routes with some YAC. We don't want Ben to fall in love with the long ball (which he will do if they let him) because we will lose games if we keep throwing away downs on long passes. The chances of connecting on those long passes are slim unless the receiver is wide open and Ben is not running for his life. Two things that don't happen together very often. Stick to the short and intermediate routes with higher percentage rates and we move the ball down the field and eat the clock up. Short passes are as good as the runs. In our case they are probably better than running.

GridironWarrior
09-22-2009, 05:28 PM
Sweed and Wallace are the only ones I ever seen get separation on deep routes. I havenít seen Holmes do it yet. I wouldnít mind 1 to 3 shots a game. But they only really work when you have a running game that scares a team. Which we donít have.

AllD
09-22-2009, 06:40 PM
That's the difference between the 1970s team and the current team. The Blonde Bomber to Swann and Stallworth was historical.

Short passing and what the defense gives up is good as long as you march down the field and don't committ holding penalties to make it 3rd and long. Then we get bum rushed and BB gets sacked. It's also good to go 15-25 yards and let the WRs find the seams.

Steelboy84
09-22-2009, 08:16 PM
I'd also like to see Logan in the offense more. Maybe some reverses or quick screens.

Steeldude
09-23-2009, 01:22 AM
the problem with throwing long is the fact that BR has one of the worst longs ball in the NFL. he leaves them short and hanging. it's a result of throwing off his back foot rather than following through. he did the same thing in college. i am surprised ken anderson hasn't fixed it yet.

Galax Steeler
09-23-2009, 04:33 AM
I think we will try the long ball every know and then. I just don't believe that we need to it 2 or 3 times a game. Like someone stated we need to try it every know and then to let defenses know that we will throw it deep.

SteelMember
09-23-2009, 12:34 PM
I don't get this at all. Every time I see Ben drop back to pass, he's ALWAYS looking down field for the big play. Always has. If anything, he's more hesitant to take the short check downs imo...but that is Big Ben, and I can accept that.

for the record, I do also think the weather played a part in our passing game. Although it seemed to affect our receivers (hands & feet) more than Ben for the most part.

SteelerEmpire
09-23-2009, 02:49 PM
I don't get this at all. Every time I see Ben drop back to pass, he's ALWAYS looking down field for the big play. Always has. If anything, he's more hesitant to take the short check downs imo...but that is Big Ben, and I can accept that.

for the record, I do also think the weather played a part in our passing game. Although it seemed to affect our receivers (hands & feet) more than Ben for the most part.

I hear ya.... If I were Arians, I would draw up a set of offensive plays that are more "Soldier Field type friendly " in case do similar situations in the future....