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mesaSteeler
09-23-2009, 05:15 PM
Which NFL Quarterbacks Hold The Ball Too Long?
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/23/which-quarterbacks-hold-the-ball-too-long/#cont
Posted Sep 23, 2009 9:10AM By JJ Cooper (RSS feed)

Jason CampbellDuring many NFL games, and pretty much any Ben Roethlisberger game, you will hear about how many sacks aren't the fault of the offensive line as much as the fault of a quarterback who holds onto the ball for too long.

That's undoubtedly true, but it's also something that is rarely studied. So to get a better idea this year as part of the weekly looks at line play, I'm logging the time the quarterback had for every sack. The time is measured from the snap to the point where the quarterback is first hit (even if the quarterback shrugs off the first hit, it's fair to say that the play has broken down at that point). In general, the average sack occurs around 2.7 to 2.8 seconds after the snap of the ball. Consider that the internal clock a quarterback must have--while the timing can depend somewhat on whether it's a four-man rush or an all-out blitz, in general if a quarterback holds the ball for more than three seconds, he's in trouble. If he gets rid of it in less than 2.5 seconds, he will rarely find himself on his back.

HOLDING ON
The 10 quarterbacks who have held the ball the longest on their sacks
Quarterback Average Time Of Sack No. of Sacks
Jason Campbell 3.66 3
Tom Brady 3.6 1
Jay Cutler 3.51 3
Mark Sanchez 3.51 2
Brady Quinn 3.29 9
Kyle Orton 3.27 3
Trent Edwards 3.26 6
JaMarcus Russell 3.22 3
Chad Pennington 3.2 6
Kurt Warner 3.07 3


GETTING RID OF IT
The 10 quarterbacks who have held the ball the shortest on their sacks
Quarterback Average time Of Sack No. of Sacks
Byron Leftwich 2.09 2
Tony Romo 2.1 1
Peyton Manning 2.29 2
Marc Bulger 2.46 4
Carson Palmer 2.47 5
Joe Flacco 2.52 2
Matt Stafford 2.53 3
Matt Schaub 2.6 2
Matt Ryan 2.62 2
Brodie Croyle 2.62 3

For now, the numbers are very much affected by small sample size -- Brady Quinn's decision to hold the ball for an amazing 8.28 seconds before being sacked against the Vikings skewed his stats, although he also has three other sacks where he held the ball for more than three seconds.

But while these stats will become more useful as the season moves along, it's still worth sharing them, partly to note who doesn't show up on the top 10 or the bottom 10. For all the talk about Roethlisberger's tendency to hold the ball forever, he ranks in the middle of the pack with an average time of sack of 2.9 seconds, which ranks 19th out of the 33 quarterbacks who have been sacked this season (wide receiver Antwaan Randle El was sacked, but I'm not counting him since it was a gadget play).

Looking at the stats, Carson Palmer and Marc Bulger come across as the quarterbacks who have been the most under fire. Three of Bulger's four sacks came on plays where he was hit less than 2.5 seconds after he took the snap, while two of Palmer's five sacks came less than two seconds after the snap. Only one of Palmer's five sacks took longer than three seconds.

And for all of the complaints about Byron Leftwitch's extremely long throwing motion he's only been sacked twice, and in both cases he was hit less than 2.5 seconds after the snap.

AllD
09-23-2009, 06:26 PM
But while these stats will become more useful as the season moves along, it's still worth sharing them, partly to note who doesn't show up on the top 10 or the bottom 10. For all the talk about Roethlisberger's tendency to hold the ball forever, he ranks in the middle of the pack with an average time of sack of 2.9 seconds, which ranks 19th out of the 33 quarterbacks who have been sacked this season (wide receiver Antwaan Randle El was sacked, but I'm not counting him since it was a gadget play).

I don't know where the author of this article got 2.9 seconds for BB, but you don't need a stop watch to time him. You can use a sun dial. And he is the best clutch QB playing today.

MattsMe
09-23-2009, 07:07 PM
Brett Favre should be number one on this list. He's held the ball about 3 years too long.

mesaSteeler
09-23-2009, 07:08 PM
Brett Favre should be number one on this list. He's held the ball about 3 years too long.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

SteelTalons
09-23-2009, 07:10 PM
Brett Favre should be number one on this list. He's held the ball about 3 years too long.

Rep'd for truth. :hatsoff: :laughing:

Crow-Magnon
09-23-2009, 07:14 PM
Ben holds the ball and scrambles, scrambles, scrambles, then throws a pass and gets nailed. Which he's very good at. Hell, he's great at it, but he probably gets popped more than any other QB out there, sack or no sack.

Preacher
09-23-2009, 07:54 PM
Brett Favre should be number one on this list. He's held the ball about 3 years too long.

:buttkick: :chuckle:

Preacher
09-23-2009, 07:56 PM
In the preseason, I was counting the time for Ben on the pass plays. He had a LOT of time before being touched.

Ben also got rid of the ball quite a bit on 3 step drops (preseason).

I wonder what that stat would look like based on last years numbers?

SuzyPeppercorn
09-23-2009, 08:07 PM
very interesting stats. good work

Christian Snyder
09-23-2009, 08:21 PM
Brett Favre should be number one on this list. He's held the ball about 3 years too long.:chuckle::rofl:

HometownGal
09-23-2009, 09:47 PM
Brett Favre should be number one on this list. He's held the ball about 3 years too long.

:toofunny::laughing::applaudit:

while two of Palmer's five sacks came less than two seconds after the snap. Only one of Palmer's five sacks took longer than three seconds.


Good to know going into Sunday's game in Shitsinnati. :thumbsup: What a perfect time for the Steelers to rediscover their once ominous pass rush. :tt02:

ricksteelers55
09-23-2009, 09:57 PM
the sack that Ben had against the Titans where we lost 19 yds and went out of FG range I think was wayyyy more than 2.9 seconds.I would say was close to 4-5 seconds

Preacher
09-23-2009, 10:30 PM
the sack that Ben had against the Titans where we lost 19 yds and went out of FG range I think was wayyyy more than 2.9 seconds.I would say was close to 4-5 seconds

Yeah, but the first pressure came 2 or so seconds in didn't it...(trying to remember back).

This study doesn't take into account escape artists!

Steeldude
09-24-2009, 12:25 AM
For all the talk about Roethlisberger's tendency to hold the ball forever, he ranks in the middle of the pack with an average time of sack of 2.9 seconds

when he is sacked.

revefsreleets
09-24-2009, 03:45 PM
Ben is more elusive than most QB's (QB's who can actually PASS), not like Mike Vick or Vince Young...

I think that should be factored in since this is based on "first hit"...