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mesaSteeler
09-24-2009, 07:14 AM
Steelers may look to other options as Frank Summers struggles
September 24, 1:19 AMPittsburgh Steelers Examiner
Dan Flickinger
http://www.examiner.com/x-14024-Pittsburgh-Steelers-Examiner~y2009m9d24-Steelers-may-look-to-other-options-as-Summers-continues-to-struggle

The Steelers haven’t had a true blocking full back since Dan Krieder last played for the team in 2007. After the first two games of the season, it seems as if they still don’t as rookie Frank Summers has been less than impressive as a lead blocker for Willie Parker and Rashard Mendenhall.

Summers, a fifth-round draft pick out of UNLV, has visibly missed blocks and assignments and is one of the many reasons the Steelers running game continues to struggle.

“Frank Summers is not impressing me at all”, said former Steelers safety and current ESPN Radio 1250 analyst Mike Logan earlier this week on 'The Drive'.

“He keeps whiffing on his blocks.”

He's also not contributing on short-yardage plays as he has yet to register a carry this season.

Marie Rancher, who covers UNLV for Examiner.com, believes Summers may be having trouble adjusting to the Steelers style of play because it’s a much different offense than the Rebels employ.

“UNLV’s offense does not feature the running game and the backs do not get too many carries since the quarterbacks are usually in shotgun and they can run”, Racher said.

“I think that is why Summers is having a hard time adjusting to the Steelers scheme”.

That may be true and considering the fact that he’s just a rookie it’s understandable that he is going through a learning curve as all first-year players do. But to visibly flat out miss blocks on a consistent basis is inexcusable.

If Summers does not progress and play better, the team may look to seventh-round draft choice David Johnson.

Johnson, a tight end, has been inactive for the first two games of the season but caught the attention of offensive coordinator Bruce Arians early in training camp.

"He's just so powerful when we put him up against linebackers. And against our defensive ends, he really stood out. You talk to those guys, they say, 'Man, this kid's got some punch.' And he can run and catch”, Arian’s told the Post-Gazette in August.

"If he continues to come around, we might have found a jewel because that's the guy who can also play fullback.”

Johnson may have to, if the “tank” keeps whiffing.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-24-2009, 07:59 AM
Summers needs to spend a few weeks working out with the O line. Honestly, getting him some time on a sled, hitting bags and getting used to turning defenders to create rush lanes.

That and more film of who he needs to look for to block. I think the kid is gonna be fine.......just gonna take time. McHugh is really missed at this point.

KeiselPower99
09-24-2009, 08:06 AM
As long as they dont bring Carey Davis back. Im not even sure what FBs are Free agents. I do agree that Summers isnt doing a very damn good job.

stlrtruck
09-24-2009, 08:42 AM
I think as long as he keeps working at it, he'll eventually understand the system as it's meant to be played or he'll be a casualty of training camp cuts!

BlastFurnace
09-24-2009, 09:26 AM
If Johnson is the answer, then let Johnson play.

NEPAsteeler
09-24-2009, 10:35 AM
I think the "Tank" just needs some more practice at blocking. As was mentioned in the article, he's a rookie playing in a different type of offensive system. Let's hope he adjusts and learns to block!

markymarc
09-24-2009, 10:58 AM
Frank Summers will be alright. I think this article is being a little harsh considering he is still a rookie and learning how to play the FB position in the NFL. Coaching, practice and live game action will only help the kid.

mmalone
09-24-2009, 11:36 AM
[B] After the first two games of the season, it seems as if they still don’t as rookie Frank Summers has been less than impressive as a lead blocker for Willie Parker and Rashard Mendenhall.

Summers, a fifth-round draft pick out of UNLV, has visibly missed blocks and assignments and is one of the many reasons the Steelers running game continues to struggle.

“Frank Summers is not impressing me at all”, said former Steelers safety and current ESPN Radio 1250 analyst Mike Logan earlier this week on 'The Drive'.

“UNLV’s offense does not feature the running game and the backs do not get too many carries since the quarterbacks are usually in shotgun and they can run”, Racher said.



UNLV Stats he didnt have the Ball at UNLV??? He caught it and ran it..

for 2100 yards ???? did not feature a back?????

UNLV
Rushing
Season TEAM G ATT YDS TDS
2007-08 UNLV 12 202 928 6
2008-09 UNLV 12 183 740 8
TOTAL 24 385 1668 14


Receiving
Season TEAM G RECPT YDS TDS
2007-08 UNLV 12 23 252 4
2008-09 UNLV 12 13 150 2
TOTAL 24 36 402 6


Good article. :rolleyes:

Summers had the ball 0 times in two games was on the field 9 times blocking.

Parker or Mendenhall never even ran behind him once, they use him for a decoy each time.

If Summers is no good, than Parker is a complete bust in att vs yards....

How about Wallace in the Bears game, our fastest player is running 2yard routes and a bunch of short crap. Isnt that for Ward, McDonald.....

Wallace should be busting out down field and spreading the defense no...??

Again... Arians is destroying all our young talent and screwing up our veterans.
Arians is the waste of time... face it...:banging::banging::banging:

steelpride12
09-24-2009, 11:41 AM
Who are possible free agent FB's anyway?

GridironWarrior
09-24-2009, 11:42 AM
Tomlin is a great coach but not fixing the Oline and replacing Arians is a huge flaw of his. I mean what does he see in this man? He's wasting our talent.

steelerdave1969
09-24-2009, 11:53 AM
Lorenzo Neal is still out there Not on a roster. He would be a perfect fit, all he does and wants to do is Block... nah.. that would'nt fit what Arians wants to do...
:noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
09-24-2009, 12:05 PM
what i don't get is if the steelers ONLY wanted a blocking fullback, why in the hell didn't they draft a guy that WAS A BLOCKING FULLBACK IN COLLEGE ??? :banging:

BozMan
09-24-2009, 12:08 PM
what i don't get is if the steelers ONLY wanted a blocking fullback, why in the hell didn't they draft a guy that WAS A BLOCKING FULLBACK IN COLLEGE ??? :banging:

I don't think that they want to use a roster spot for a back who will only block. They want a guy who can carry or catch the ball as well. Also special teams contributions.

steelreserve
09-24-2009, 12:18 PM
I'm at a loss for how there's anything positive or negative to say about Summers at all. He's been on the field like two times. The offense has been singleback ... singleback ... shotgun ... singleback ... shotgun ... singleback, etc. I mean, we're not even trying to use the guy!

So of course he's not impressing anyone. Hard to do that when you're on the bench.

GridironWarrior
09-24-2009, 12:34 PM
I thought that genius Arians said they would never use a FB in his offense?

KeiselPower99
09-24-2009, 12:37 PM
We couldve had us a FB that caught the ball ran the ball and busted heads last year.....but no we drafted guys like Bruce Davis and Tony Hills instead. Just saying...Schmitt Happens!!!!


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2009/06/25/2009384136.jpg

BlastFurnace
09-24-2009, 12:51 PM
It's not a sexy pick, but like the Sepulveda pick a couple years ago, it's a valuable pick.

We need a blocking FB. If Johnson is the answer, put him in there.

xbroughneck
09-24-2009, 01:36 PM
If Johnson is the answer, then let Johnson play.

This +1

ARKIESTEEL
09-24-2009, 03:13 PM
Tell me again why we got rid of Dan Kreider

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-24-2009, 05:01 PM
Summers had the ball 0 times in two games was on the field 9 times blocking.

Parker or Mendenhall never even ran behind him once, they use him for a decoy each time.
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You are clueless. I just replayed the game last night and Summers WAS NOT USED AS A DECOY. Summers lead blocked on a zone left play and Parker saw the hole inside.

Of all the people to use as a "decoy".......you think the Steelers are going to use a rookie 5th round pick that was injures most of the preseason??:screwy: Give your head a shake.

Summers will be fine once he gets some experience and understanding. He is tenative at finding a blocker, but not a decoy. :doh:

GridironWarrior
09-24-2009, 05:04 PM
Tell me again why we got rid of Dan Kreider

Becasue the hall of famer, genius that is Arians said HIS offense doesn't use a fullback.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-24-2009, 05:05 PM
We couldve had us a FB that caught the ball ran the ball and busted heads last year.....but no we drafted guys like Bruce Davis and Tony Hills instead. Just saying...Schmitt Happens!!!!


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2009/06/25/2009384136.jpg

Nah, I would rather they drafted Peyton Hillis instead of Mike Humpal. I already have better options than Bruce Davis and Tony Hills 2 years ago.

Steelboy84
09-24-2009, 05:22 PM
Tomlin is a great coach but not fixing the Oline and replacing Arians is a huge flaw of his. I mean what does he see in this man? He's wasting our talent.

Arians has a nice playbook, but his play calling at times is very suspect. He called a nice game last week though.

:tt03:

Shoes
09-24-2009, 05:55 PM
Summers will be a good one. He's got a lot of fight and guts...give him time.

Slanted August
09-24-2009, 06:07 PM
UNLV Stats he didnt have the Ball at UNLV??? He caught it and ran it..

for 2100 yards ???? did not feature a back?????

UNLV
Rushing
Season TEAM G ATT YDS TDS
2007-08 UNLV 12 202 928 6
2008-09 UNLV 12 183 740 8
TOTAL 24 385 1668 14


Receiving
Season TEAM G RECPT YDS TDS
2007-08 UNLV 12 23 252 4
2008-09 UNLV 12 13 150 2
TOTAL 24 36 402 6


Good article. :rolleyes:

Summers had the ball 0 times in two games was on the field 9 times blocking.

Parker or Mendenhall never even ran behind him once, they use him for a decoy each time.

If Summers is no good, than Parker is a complete bust in att vs yards....

How about Wallace in the Bears game, our fastest player is running 2yard routes and a bunch of short crap. Isnt that for Ward, McDonald.....

Wallace should be busting out down field and spreading the defense no...??

Again... Arians is destroying all our young talent and screwing up our veterans.
Arians is the waste of time... face it...:banging::banging::banging:

Excellent Point!
When you see Desean Jackson develop and rookie Johnny Knox being utilized and already playing a key role two games in the season (There were at least a few quality veteran receivers that could have been picked up by Chicago after the last cut) it is definately a head scratcher why Wallace is not utilized more.

He is a bit raw from college and needs to be more aware of the game situation (did not have to run out of bounce and should have worked harder for the 1st down when they were marching in the 4th quarter) but this tentativeness can hopefully be coached. This guy is not a track guy trying to play football.

I will at least give Arians credit that he tries to throw deep to at least once a game but Ben sometimes has trouble timing the long ball , esp with a new guy.

AllD
09-24-2009, 06:23 PM
Holmes is the go to guy for the bomb. If it's not there then he needs to go to the next read. Throw more to Moore too.

Texasteel
09-24-2009, 07:23 PM
How did this turn into a Arians hate thread?:offtopic::rolleyes:

Summers can't block, YET, I believer he will learn. The 5th round savior still has a long ways to go, but he will learn.

X-Terminator
09-24-2009, 07:29 PM
How did this turn into a Arians hate thread?:offtopic::rolleyes:

Summers can't block, YET, I believer he will learn. The 5th round savior still has a long ways to go, but he will learn.

Anything having to do with the offense eventually turns into YAABT (Yet Another Arians Bashing Thread).

Get with the program! :wink02:

tony hipchest
09-24-2009, 07:45 PM
Becasue the hall of famer, genius that is Arians said HIS offense doesn't use a fullback.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/youathingofthepastiya5.jpg

Shoes
09-24-2009, 08:02 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/youathingofthepastiya5.jpg

:chuckle::chuckle:

GridironWarrior
09-24-2009, 08:15 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/youathingofthepastiya5.jpg

LOL!!

pancake
09-24-2009, 08:17 PM
I sure do miss Dan Kreider

KeiselPower99
09-24-2009, 09:59 PM
Nah, I would rather they drafted Peyton Hillis instead of Mike Humpal. I already have better options than Bruce Davis and Tony Hills 2 years ago.

I forgot about the Humpal pick. Peyton would have been a nice pickup.

KeiselPower99
09-24-2009, 10:04 PM
I sure do miss Dan Kreider

As do I. http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/93740/dan_kreider.jpg

GridironWarrior
09-24-2009, 10:19 PM
As do I. http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/93740/dan_kreider.jpg

I loved seeing him blow up Ray Ray. That was a real fullback.

ricksteelers55
09-24-2009, 10:36 PM
Summers is a work in progress.

He might miss some blocks,but his TRUE position is RB not FB.

I'm still surprised that we havent use him in short yardage yet.

They didnt draft him for that purpose but still....he could be part of the solution

devilsdancefloor
09-24-2009, 11:04 PM
Kreider and great FB , But now he is a washed up FB. If he wasnt why did the rams CUT him (possible the worst team in the NFL or close to it cut him)? He is in Arizona doing nothing for the team on game day. I appreciate everything he did in B&G but please lets move on can we. This thread is about frank the tank. But i understand some of you cant get past your own ego to stop blaming Arians. GET OVER IT!!!! you sound like a broken effing record! :banging::banging::banging::banging:

mmalone
09-25-2009, 09:27 AM
You are clueless. I just replayed the game last night and Summers WAS NOT USED AS A DECOY. Summers lead blocked on a zone left play and Parker saw the hole inside.

Of all the people to use as a "decoy".......you think the Steelers are going to use a rookie 5th round pick that was injures most of the preseason??:screwy: Give your head a shake.

Summers will be fine once he gets some experience and understanding. He is tenative at finding a blocker, but not a decoy. :doh:

im clueless..

watch the blocks, johnson blocks in the two games, summers blocks, miller blocks.

90% of the time the RB's are running some where other then right behind the blocks... that is a decoy, the defense follows the blocks and the runner goes another route...

i have yet to see Parker shawdowing a blocker and running up right behind them..

please let me know what play, so i can replay also.

you must be watching another team??

sherlock
09-25-2009, 09:43 AM
i have yet to see Parker shawdowing a blocker and running up right behind them..



I couldn`t give you a specific game or play but I`m pretty sure he does mmalone:noidea:

mmalone
09-25-2009, 10:52 AM
I couldn`t give you a specific game or play but I`m pretty sure he does mmalone:noidea:


if they are following the blockers, miller, johnson or summers.

they are far and few between.

i only leave the game in progress once in a while to throw darts at my arians dart board...

i cant believe i miss that many run plays with parker running behind is FB summers or johnson or miller.

most of the runs i see he is running away from them....

let me know what play when you watch the replay. i will look it up.

:tt::tt:

Jmat
09-25-2009, 12:48 PM
I'm certainly not a coach but from what I saw and read in the pre-season and now in the first two regular season games, Frank Summers had no business making this team.

RoethlisBURGHer
09-25-2009, 12:53 PM
Summers can be good, but he needs to learn the position.

He's not being asked to carry the ball in Pittsburgh like he was at UNLV. He's being asked to play a lead-blocker role, something has did little, and probably none of, while at UNLV.

I wish McHugh wasn't on IR, because he was a pretty good lead blocker last year towards the end of the season.

mmalone
09-25-2009, 01:06 PM
Summers can be good, but he needs to learn the position.

He's not being asked to carry the ball in Pittsburgh like he was at UNLV. He's being asked to play a lead-blocker role, something has did little, and probably none of, while at UNLV.

I wish McHugh wasn't on IR, because he was a pretty good lead blocker last year towards the end of the season.

question,

if summers is blocking and he has 8 chances... and 7 of those chances are plays were Parker is running the opposite direction of Summers. How hard is summers going to block knowing parker is on the other side of the line.???

ricksteelers55
09-25-2009, 05:06 PM
I'm certainly not a coach but from what I saw and read in the pre-season and now in the first two regular season games, Frank Summers had no business making this team.

And I guess you think that Isaac Redman should have made that team instead?

it's not about stats production..it's about the intangibles.

Summers will be fine just give him some times.He wasnt even playing FB in college so he needs to adjust to a new position and a new level of play.

Texasteel
09-25-2009, 05:24 PM
question,

if summers is blocking and he has 8 chances... and 7 of those chances are plays were Parker is running the opposite direction of Summers. How hard is summers going to block knowing parker is on the other side of the line.???

If he wants to stay on this team, he had better be trying as hard as he can when ever he has a blocking assignment.

Jmat
09-25-2009, 06:13 PM
And I guess you think that Isaac Redman should have made that team instead?

it's not about stats production..it's about the intangibles.

Summers will be fine just give him some times.He wasnt even playing FB in college so he needs to adjust to a new position and a new level of play.
I'm pretty sure I didn't mention Redman in my post.
I know what I saw with Summers and I was less than impressed. He doesn't have to be a specialist to block someone. That's as basic as it gets for a fullback and he's looking pretty awful at it.

El-Gonzo Jackson
09-25-2009, 07:08 PM
If he wants to stay on this team, he had better be trying as hard as he can when ever he has a blocking assignment.

Exactly.....like most 5th rounders that were outperformed by Issac Redmond start sandbagging on assignments. :doh:

NFL stands for Not For Long , if you cant do your job. Just ask Bruce Davis.

Hapa
09-25-2009, 07:45 PM
Summers needs to spend a few weeks working out with the O line. Honestly, getting him some time on a sled, hitting bags and getting used to turning defenders to create rush lanes.

That and more film of who he needs to look for to block. I think the kid is gonna be fine.......just gonna take time. McHugh is really missed at this point.

I'm sure Frank has plenty of power... he's whiffing because he's barely making contact with the defenders and is too slow, if he made contact I think he would be fine.