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El-Gonzo Jackson
10-01-2009, 12:29 PM
For those who care, there was a great breakdown of why Jamarcus Russell is struggling. Trent Green shows his poor footwork in this link on NFL network.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-playbook/09000d5d8130c7ac/Playbook-Russell-s-struggles

Then, he shows the outstanding footwork of Drew Brees and how it helps him be such an accurate passer.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8130da53/Playbook-Drew-Brees

Its just an FYI for all the fans that just think playing QB comes down to having a strong arm. Brees makes up for his lack of height, arm strength by working on solid fundamentals and technique. Its beautiful to watch.

SteelMember
10-01-2009, 12:50 PM
Good Info.

and this is not the first time this week I've heard the claim "a strong arm isn't everything".

Fran Tarkenton did a spot on a local radio show here in Atl., and they were talking about Stafford and if it was wise to make him the starter this year. Fran pretty much said, "what's the first thing you hear about Stafford? He has a strong arm. That's about the least important part of the game for him in my opinion. You hear about guys with strong arms all the time like J. Russell and V. Young, but how have they faired?" He even went as far as giving Joe Cox a better evaluation of being more of a complete player and leader.

If you didn't know, Fran is a UGA grad. So there's the connection.

steelreserve
10-01-2009, 01:00 PM
Again, someone needs to impress on Al Davis that being able to effortlessly zip the ball 65 yards downfield does not count for anything when the ball goes 15 yards over the receiver's head and 10 yards out of bounds. And being 6'6" and 270 pounds doesn't matter when you're not mobile and not a running threat and not difficult to tackle.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-01-2009, 01:16 PM
Yeah, Al Davis is a stopwatch guy, but back in the day he knew his stuff before he went senile.

Fran Tarkenton knows noodle arm, but he knows that you can get more power with your legs to throw the ball.

I once attended a coaching clinic where the QB coach really emphasized footwork, transfer of weight and generating power from the legs, hip flexors, torso rotation and finally the arm snap. It kind of reminded me of a Shot putter with a 5-step drop.

sherlock
10-02-2009, 02:48 AM
Yeah, Al Davis is a stopwatch guy

Gonzo,it`s funny you mention this because I`ve been wondering lately why some of the coaches have what appears to be a stop-watch hanging round their necks.
What is the reason for this?
Apologies for going off- topic
On-topic...I always think that Tony Romo has a similar style/technique to Ben in the way he`s always dodging the pass rushers to make a play....perhaps the Cowboys have a similar o-line to the Steelers!:noidea:

revefsreleets
10-02-2009, 09:46 AM
Pennington has a noodle arm and actually has fairly impressive career stats. The strongest armed QB I ever saw was Ryan Leaf.

That being said, Brett Favre has terrible technique and throws off his back foot all the time. Looking for PERFECT technique? Todd Marinovich. How'd that work out for him?

The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

steelreserve
10-02-2009, 11:38 AM
Yeah, there are plenty of guys with awkward mechanics that do just fine. Problem is, those are guys who do it intentionally and have adapted so it's part of their game, and Russell isn't one of them. He's just trying to play a regular game and doing badly at it.

As for the stopwatch part ... I couldn't agree more. For further proof of that, look at what the Raiders are doing this year with McFadden. He's a quick guy and a great receiver but not a good power back, kind of like if you had Parker and Moore rolled into one. Then they have one of the better power runners in the league in Michael Bush, and another decent one in Justin Fargas. So what do they do? Run McFadden up the middle all day for no yards, sit Bush and Fargas on the bench, and don't throw any passes to McFadden either. Not only do they draft terribly, but they misuse their talent too.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-02-2009, 12:25 PM
Pennington has a noodle arm and actually has fairly impressive career stats. The strongest armed QB I ever saw was Ryan Leaf.

That being said, Brett Favre has terrible technique and throws off his back foot all the time. Looking for PERFECT technique? Todd Marinovich. How'd that work out for him?

The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

Todd Marinovich didnt have good footwork and technique. His father Marv is a strength and conditioning coach (who Troy Polamalu uses) who groomed him in speed, quickness and biofeedback techniques........but largely Marinovich's mechanics were awkward.

Brett Favre on the other hand has a really great 5 and 7 step drop, keeps the ball high, moves defenders with his eyes well and generally gets his feet in position to throw well. So he can throw a ball on the run and off his back foot......maybe that is why he is the NFL career leader in INT's.

Bottom line is fundamentals and technique give the athlete a better chance at success. Marginal talent can be made good by technique(like Drew Brees). Great talent can be made bad by bad technique(Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf).

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-02-2009, 12:30 PM
Yeah, there are plenty of guys with awkward mechanics that do just fine. Problem is, those are guys who do it intentionally and have adapted so it's part of their game,

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Yeah, we can say Rivers has an awkward delivery, Ken Stabler or Dan Pastorini threw a bit 3/4, Neil O Donnell patted the ball before every throw..........but they all had good footwork.

Good footwork is the basis for all good QB play, from stepping the correct way to handoff, the proper foot to reverse pivot for a pitch or a solid 3,5, or 7 step drop. Bad feet give more chance for bad results and that is what Green really hilighed in the case of Russell.

revefsreleets
10-02-2009, 12:45 PM
I just don't get it...Marinovich didn't have great technique because.........you said so? Are you kidding me?

The kid was raised by QUARTERBACK COACHES. His footwork and technique were pounded into him from the time he was a little kid. His dad was a strength and conditioning coach, yes, but he surrounded his son with nutritionists, hand/eye coordination coaches, basically coaches for every aspect of the game.

On one hand you say coaching is everything, so I bring up the most over-coached player of all time, and you say his technique, which was honed from BIRTH was mediocre?

Anyway, it's irrelevant...Marinovich and Leaf were head cases, so it doesn't matter what their technique was like. MY point was there are always exceptions to every rule. However, since it's ME posting, I'm sure you'll shoot back that there are NEVER any exceptions to YOUR rules...

steelreserve
10-02-2009, 12:55 PM
Yeah, we can say Rivers has an awkward delivery, Ken Stabler or Dan Pastorini threw a bit 3/4, Neil O Donnell patted the ball before every throw..........but they all had good footwork.

Good footwork is the basis for all good QB play, from stepping the correct way to handoff, the proper foot to reverse pivot for a pitch or a solid 3,5, or 7 step drop. Bad feet give more chance for bad results and that is what Green really hilighed in the case of Russell.

That pretty much sums up what I saw. Or, to summarize what I've seen from him in games, as soon as the ball is snapped, Russell seems to panic and everything goes out the window.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-02-2009, 01:08 PM
I never thought Marinovich looked that special. But just so you dont believe MY opinion. Here is a quote where John Elway commented on the footwork that took 10 years to perfect. :rolleyes:

Last summer Marinovich went to a football camp at Stanford, and John Elway worked out with him. He praised Marinovich's throwing mechanics but encouraged him to take deeper drops by using longer steps.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1127063/index.htm

revefsreleets
10-02-2009, 01:51 PM
Well, THAT'S certainly the smoking gun!

Please.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-02-2009, 02:14 PM
Well, THAT'S certainly the smoking gun!

Please.

Ya know. I just posted a couple interesting videos from NFL Network about QB footwork comparisons and what they can result in.

No real need to be a "nattering nabob of negativism" about it, as you so refer to others as.