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revefsreleets
10-13-2009, 10:31 AM
I didn't write it, so please direct your responses (i:e: your AH attacks) at the author instead of me...

http://www.ohio.com/editorial/commentary/64064012.html

Turn down that Nobel prize, Mr. President By Ross Douthat
New York Times

Published on Tuesday, Oct 13, 2009
NEW YORK: This was Barack Obama's chance.
Here was an opportunity to cut himself free, in a stroke, from the baggage that's weighed his presidency down — the implausible expectations, the utopian dreams, the messianic hoo-ha.
Here was a place to draw a clean line between himself and all the overzealous Obamaphiles, at home and abroad, who poured their post-Christian, post-Marxist yearnings into the vessel of his 2008 campaign.

Here was a chance to establish himself, definitively, as an American president — too self-confident to accept an unearned accolade, and too instinctively democratic to go along with European humbug.

He didn't take it. Instead, he took the Nobel Peace Prize.

Big mistake.

People have argued that you can't turn down a Nobel. Please. Of course you can. Obama is a gifted rhetorician with world-class speechwriters. All he would have needed was a simple, graceful statement emphasizing the impossibility of accepting such an honor during his first year in office, with America's armed forces still deep in two unfinished wars.

Would the world have been offended? Well, to start with, the prize isn't given out by an imaginary ''world community.'' It's voted on and handed out by a committee of five obscure Norwegians. So turning it down would have been a slap in the face, yes, to Thorbjorn Jagland, Kaci Kullmann Five, Sissel Marie Ronbeck, Inger-Marie Ytterhorn and Agot Valle. But it wouldn't have been a slap in the face to the Europeans or the Africans, to Moscow or Beijing, or to any other population or great power that an American president should fret about offending.

In any case, it will be far more offensive when Obama takes the stage in Oslo this November instead of Morgan Tsvangirai, Zimbabwe's heroic opposition leader; or Thich Quang Do, the Buddhist monk and critic of Vietnam's authoritarian regime; or Rebiya Kadeer, exiled from China for her labors on behalf of the oppressed Uighur minority; or anyone who has courted death this year protesting for democracy in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

True, Obama didn't ask for this. It was obvious, from his halting delivery and slightly shamefaced air last Friday, that he wishes the Nobel committee hadn't put him in this spot. But he still wasn't brave enough to tell it no.

Obama gains nothing from the prize. No domestic constituency will become more favorably disposed to him because five Norwegians think he's already changed the world — and the Republicans were just handed the punch line for an easy recession-era attack ad. (To quote the Democratic strategist Joe Trippi, anticipating the 30-second spots to come: ''He got a Nobel Prize. What did you get? A pink slip.'')

Overseas, there was nobody, from Paris to Peshawar, who woke up Friday more disposed to work with the United States because of the Nobel committee's decision — and plenty of more seasoned statesman who woke up laughing. (Vladimir Putin probably hasn't snickered this much since John McCain tried to persuade Americans that ''we are all Georgians'' during last year's weeklong war.)
Meanwhile, the prize makes every foreign-policy problem Obama faces seem ever so slightly more burdensome. Now he's the Nobel laureate who has to choose between escalating a counterinsurgency in Afghanistan or ceding ground to a theocratic mafia. He's the Nobel laureate who'll either have to authorize military strikes against Iran or construct an effective, Cold-War-style deterrence system for the Middle East. He's the Nobel laureate who'll probably fail, like every U.S. president before him, to prod Israelis and Palestinians toward a comprehensive settlement.
At the same time, the prize leaves Obama more open to ridicule. It confirms, as a defining narrative of his presidency, the gap between his supporters' cloud-cuckoo-land expectations and the inevitable disappointments of reality. It dovetails perfectly with the recent Saturday Night Live sketch in which he was depicted boasting about a year's worth of nonaccomplishments. And it revives and ratifies John McCain's only successful campaign gambit — his portrayal of Obama as ''the world's biggest celebrity,'' famous more for being famous than for any concrete political accomplishment.

Great achievements may still await our Nobel president. If Obama goes from strength to strength, then this travesty will be remembered as a footnote to his administration, rather than a defining moment.

But by accepting the prize, he's made failure, if and when it comes, that much more embarrassing and difficult to bear. What's more, he's etched in stone the phrase with which critics will dismiss his presidency.

Slick Willie. Tricky Dick. Jimmy ''Malaise'' Carter. Dubya the Incompetent.

And now Barack Obama, Nobel laureate.

Douthat is a New York Times columnist.

The_WARDen
10-13-2009, 10:53 AM
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl:

It's amazing the level of racism in this country. Can't stand the fact that a black man
is leading the free world and wins the Nobel Peace Prize can ya?

:popcorn:

revefsreleets
10-13-2009, 11:03 AM
Huh?

Racism?

Wh-wh-what?

GBMelBlount
10-13-2009, 11:06 AM
It's amazing the level of racism in this country.



You are indeed right, and why the media ignores this fact......that blacks tend to be the most racist of all, is beyond me. :chuckle:

MACH1
10-13-2009, 11:06 AM
You racist you. :wink02:

At the very least he should donate his prize money to the Wounded Warriors or something to that effect.

RunWillieRun
10-13-2009, 11:19 AM
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl:

It's amazing the level of racism in this country. Can't stand the fact that a black man
is leading the free world and wins the Nobel Peace Prize can ya?

:popcorn:


http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u231/cheezeguy/n725075089_288918_2774.jpg


Why do the libs always bring race into the equation? This has nothing to do about race.

I think you dropped this:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/race_card.jpg

revefsreleets
10-13-2009, 11:26 AM
Even though this has nothing to do with race, it's just a quick and easy excuse for the lazy. If you scream race card, there's no need to actually engage in any kind of above the board intellectual debate, which is a losing proposition on this issue...

fansince'76
10-13-2009, 11:33 AM
http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u231/cheezeguy/n725075089_288918_2774.jpg

I get a chuckle out of this pic every time I see it. :chuckle:

Carry on.

fansince'76
10-13-2009, 11:41 AM
In any case, it will be far more offensive when Obama takes the stage in Oslo this November instead of Morgan Tsvangirai, Zimbabwe's heroic opposition leader; or Thich Quang Do, the Buddhist monk and critic of Vietnam's authoritarian regime; or Rebiya Kadeer, exiled from China for her labors on behalf of the oppressed Uighur minority; or anyone who has courted death this year protesting for democracy in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Well, he has courted death regularly by choosing to show up in the same vicinity as gatherings of bitter, Bible-thumping, racist, right wing nutjobs packing heat. What courage. :rolleyes:

devilsdancefloor
10-13-2009, 12:04 PM
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl:

It's amazing the level of racism in this country. Can't stand the fact that a black man
is leading the free world and wins the Nobel Peace Prize can ya?

:popcorn:

Im sorry, but i feel real embarrasses for you if you think any of the above article had to do with race. I could care less if the man was green or purple. You need to come to grips with people are gonna bash him like they did previous presidents. THIS does not mean they are raciest. Unless you think all the black, hispainic comedians who made fun of bush for 8 years are raciest?

Hammer Of The GODS
10-13-2009, 12:20 PM
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl:

It's amazing the level of racism in this country. Can't stand the fact that a black man
is leading the free world and wins the Nobel Peace Prize can ya?

:popcorn:


.http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_0YTZJpJ8Jp8/SZC51LygM3I/AAAAAAAAFVw/dpWtnZaYg-A/s400/head_up_your_ass2.jpg

steelreserve
10-13-2009, 01:04 PM
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl:

It's amazing the level of racism in this country. Can't stand the fact that a black man
is leading the free world and wins the Nobel Peace Prize can ya?

:popcorn:

More like ... "Wow, I wish I could win awards for things I WANT to do."


Hey, I wish I could invent a cure for AIDS, but I haven't done shit. Can I have my Nobel Prize for medicine now?

Vincent
10-13-2009, 01:11 PM
The "president's" ethnicity is 47% arab, 50% white (including significant slave owner lineage), and the balance "mixed". I don't see "race" in that mix.

The only ones playing the race card are the intellectually impaired and their shills in the media.

If I were to "paint" bho as a stereotype, it would be on the basis of his psyche, and in his case it is strongly narcissist.

Because of my deep sensitivity to the genealogical and psychological make up of others, I can understand that it is beyond the restraint of a narcissist to pass on an "honor" such as the NPP however ridiculous it looks.

Don't you people be surprised when he accepts the Heismann, and there's talk of the Boston Marathon as well. It's not his fault. He can't help it. And I just wish all those awards and trophy people would be more sensitive to the "president".

Hey, I wish I could invent a cure for AIDS, but I haven't done shit. Can I have my Nobel Prize for medicine now?

By the established standards, we have another winner.

X-Terminator
10-13-2009, 07:28 PM
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::r ofl:

It's amazing the level of racism in this country. Can't stand the fact that a black man
is leading the free world and wins the Nobel Peace Prize can ya?

:popcorn:

You know what, I'm insulted. Why the hell should Obama be exempt from criticism just because he's black? Since when did criticizing ANY black person become "racist?" I know if someone criticizes me, and it is justified, I don't cry and whine about it being unfair or think I'm exempt because I'm a black man.

It's garbage like this that's the reason why we still have race problems in this country. Absolutely ridiculous post.

Vincent
10-13-2009, 08:13 PM
You know what, I'm insulted. Why the hell should Obama be exempt from criticism just because he's black? Since when did criticizing ANY black person become "racist?" I know if someone criticizes me, and it is justified, I don't cry and whine about it being unfair or think I'm exempt because I'm a black man.

It's garbage like this that's the reason why we still have race problems in this country. Absolutely ridiculous post.

The rich irony here is that most of the players of the race card are white folks calling other white folks racists.

Be patient. We'll kill each other off soon. :rofl::banging::rofl::banging::toofunny:

cubanstogie
10-13-2009, 10:37 PM
If socialistic health care is good enough for our veterans then it's good enough for me
:popcorn:[/QUOTE]

Have you ever been to a VA hospital?If you have there is no possible way you could agree with that ignorant statement, assuming you have any knowledge of medicine. You definitely don't need anymore kool aid.

tony hipchest
10-13-2009, 10:47 PM
i didnt read the article because it is more typical sour grape bs, and the OP should step up and own it as his stance.

"WHY OBAMA SHOULD HAVE REFUSED THE PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION"

"whaaaaaaaaa!" :crying01:

GBMelBlount
10-13-2009, 11:34 PM
You're right Tony, Obama has grown accustomed to winning things based not on performance or qualifications, but solely on promises & expectations. Why should this be any different. :thumbsup:

tony hipchest
10-13-2009, 11:42 PM
*sniff sniff*

i smell dookie.... :poop:

WHAAAAAA! :crying01:

:chuckle: too funny...

GBMelBlount
10-14-2009, 07:25 AM
LOL. That was funny.

Tony can pull a good one out of his "Obama" on occasion. :wink02:

revefsreleets
10-14-2009, 11:13 AM
Sour grapes?

Yeah, why read an article written by a Harvard grad, the Senior editor of "The Atlantic", a regular contributor to WSJ and the youngest EVER regular contributor the Op/Ed NYT? This is a VERY well written and reasoned article clearly laying out many good and sound reasons why Obama failed when he accepted this unearned award, and your response is to CRITICIZE without even READING it?

Bunker maps all over again...

Indo
10-14-2009, 05:33 PM
Ooooh!
This is gettin' good!
Where's my recliner!

:popcorn:

:alcoholic:

SteelersMongol
10-15-2009, 09:14 AM
Kraft family didn't refuse 2 own the 3 Lombardies & return em, so Y would Obama? :chuckle: