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JackHammer
10-15-2009, 09:40 PM
Do i really need to say why?? It's really obvious. The one thing they both do best is whine and cry when the other party holds the power. Remember 9/11 when liberals blamed Bush since he was in office even though Clinton policies helped lead to 9/11? Then they called parts of his post 9/11 policy as fascist even as they signed on to much of those policies.

Fast forward to 2009 and well before September conservatives were already whining and moaning about the economy and blaming Barack Hoo Sane Obama even though they once supported Bush policy that helped lead to this current mess. They call Obama's stimulus socialist even though they signed onto the lite version of it that Bush proposed and passed last year.

Eerily similar if I must say so myself :scratchchin:

KeiselPower99
10-15-2009, 10:45 PM
Turnabouts fair play.

GBMelBlount
10-15-2009, 11:14 PM
Do i really need to say why?? It's really obvious. The one thing they both do best is whine and cry when the other party holds the power. Remember 9/11 when liberals blamed Bush since he was in office even though Clinton policies helped lead to 9/11? Then they called parts of his post 9/11 policy as fascist even as they signed on to much of those policies.

Fast forward to 2009 and well before September conservatives were already whining and moaning about the economy and blaming Barack Hoo Sane Obama even though they once supported Bush policy that helped lead to this current mess. They call Obama's stimulus socialist even though they signed onto the lite version of it that Bush proposed and passed last year.

Eerily similar if I must say so myself :scratchchin:

Yes, please elaborate Jack***. :chuckle:

JackHammer
10-16-2009, 03:55 AM
Yes, please elaborate Jack***. :chuckle:

:thumbsup: It's not like I lied.

Preacher
10-16-2009, 04:56 AM
bump...

GBMelBlount
10-16-2009, 07:48 AM
:thumbsup: It's not like I lied.

That was a ridiculous overgeneralization containing no specifics and intended only to stir the pot.

It makes you look like a pie hole trying to pick a fight. :chuckle:

Seriously, are you not going to elaborate on this?

43Hitman
10-16-2009, 07:53 AM
:popcorn::duel:

revefsreleets
10-16-2009, 08:16 AM
The main problem I have is with the overt and obvious lying to get elected. Obama's campaign promises have all been exposed as empty rhetoric, which is fairly par for the course, the main difference being he hoodwinked everyone into believing that HE was the real and true "agent of change".

He's pretty much been status quo so far....sorry if some think it's whiny to point out glaring over-the-top hypocrisy.

Vincent
10-16-2009, 10:41 AM
Obama's campaign promises have all been exposed as empty rhetoric,

Hey, hey, hey! What's "empty" about "change"? :rofl:

JackHammer
10-16-2009, 02:19 PM
That was a ridiculous overgeneralization containing no specifics and intended only to stir the pot.

It makes you look like a pie hole trying to pick a fight. :chuckle:

Seriously, are you not going to elaborate on this?

I know. I'm not jaded, but I do get pissed at all of the constant bickering that goes on. Many times it makes me look like an ass, but many times I really am an ass so it is what it is, as they say. And I'm not denying that I was trying to stir the pot, but sometimes that's exactly what gets people thinking in ways other than their normal party lines and mentalities. Sure it was overgeneralized, but from the outside looking in, that's exactly how it looks.

I can get really specific if you want some sort of dissertation, but you and I both know what's going on right now. It what always goes on. Aside from the real issues that conservatives disagree with, they also pile onto every insignificant happening as if it's some epic failure of the democratic party. It's just like how Bush was treated by liberals. They weren't happy just arguing the issues. They had to whine every time Bush went to Crawford on vacation, as though he couldn't carry out his duties from there, or as if he had his priorities wrong. Same thing happened when Obama went to try to get the Olympics.

I'd love if everyone just talked about the real issues but it seems like everything ends ups turning into bickering about some of the most insignificant things. People do it b/c they think that constantly criticizing the opposition about anything and everything, lends their own position credibility. It doesn't. There comes a point where to people like myself, on the outside of the dual party mentality, it just sounds like a bunch of whining and takes away credibility from their position IMO b/c people stop listening. It's like crying wolf.

GBMelBlount
10-16-2009, 03:05 PM
Aside from the real issues that conservatives disagree with, they also pile onto every insignificant happening as if it's some epic failure of the democratic party.

I'd love if everyone just talked about the real issues but it seems like everything ends ups turning into bickering about some of the most insignificant things.

People do it b/c they think that constantly criticizing the opposition about anything and everything, lends their own position credibility. It doesn't.

There comes a point where to people like myself, on the outside of the dual party mentality, it just sounds like a bunch of whining and takes away credibility from their position IMO b/c people stop listening. It's like crying wolf.

Fair enough JackHammer. I understand.

I personally prefer to stick to the issues of liberal vs. conservative vs. libertarian philosophies but I do realize there is a lot of piling on over small things.

I just felt that perhaps some of the things you were going to say about Bush, like out of control spending during his presidency, are things that many conservatives did have a problem with.

steelreserve
10-16-2009, 03:35 PM
the difference is the liberals whine in order to demand services that will be paid for by others, and the conservatives whine because they are the ones being told to pay for those services. oh well.

Hines0wnz
10-18-2009, 03:35 PM
Do i really need to say why?? It's really obvious. The one thing they both do best is whine and cry when the other party holds the power. Remember 9/11 when liberals blamed Bush since he was in office even though Clinton policies helped lead to 9/11? Then they called parts of his post 9/11 policy as fascist even as they signed on to much of those policies.

Fast forward to 2009 and well before September conservatives were already whining and moaning about the economy and blaming Barack Hoo Sane Obama even though they once supported Bush policy that helped lead to this current mess. They call Obama's stimulus socialist even though they signed onto the lite version of it that Bush proposed and passed last year.

Eerily similar if I must say so myself :scratchchin:


Bush was not a true conservative.

Preacher
10-18-2009, 06:08 PM
I know. I'm not jaded, but I do get pissed at all of the constant bickering that goes on. Many times it makes me look like an ass, but many times I really am an ass so it is what it is, as they say. And I'm not denying that I was trying to stir the pot, but sometimes that's exactly what gets people thinking in ways other than their normal party lines and mentalities. Sure it was overgeneralized, but from the outside looking in, that's exactly how it looks.

I can get really specific if you want some sort of dissertation, but you and I both know what's going on right now. It what always goes on. Aside from the real issues that conservatives disagree with, they also pile onto every insignificant happening as if it's some epic failure of the democratic party. It's just like how Bush was treated by liberals. They weren't happy just arguing the issues. They had to whine every time Bush went to Crawford on vacation, as though he couldn't carry out his duties from there, or as if he had his priorities wrong. Same thing happened when Obama went to try to get the Olympics.

I'd love if everyone just talked about the real issues but it seems like everything ends ups turning into bickering about some of the most insignificant things. People do it b/c they think that constantly criticizing the opposition about anything and everything, lends their own position credibility. It doesn't. There comes a point where to people like myself, on the outside of the dual party mentality, it just sounds like a bunch of whining and takes away credibility from their position IMO b/c people stop listening. It's like crying wolf.

IMO.. its not that it lends credibility to their own position. Instead, there is the thought that the more negative you hear, the more negative people will feel. Then, they will vote that negativity against the party in power. It invalidates any true option.

Furthermore, in American politics, there are a couple issues which are so polarizing, that a third party is going to have a VERY hard time getting enough traction, because they are going to have to announce decisions on issues such as Abortion, Judges, etc. that will cut the appeal of about 40 percent of America immediately. Then, they are only drawing from the other sixty percent.

Clinton won twice because of that issue with Ross Perot (drawing from the GOP).
Bush won once definitely, and possibly twice with Ralph Nader drawing from the DNC.

Preacher
10-20-2009, 02:01 AM
Too many elected "Conservatives" are actually neoconservatives, that love liberal ideas.

Thinking it through, I am having a hard time coming up with any "true" conservatives in congress anymore... So many have gone the way of the "rhino".

Really is a shame.... and part of the reason I no longer consider myself a republican.

revefsreleets
10-20-2009, 08:05 AM
Ron Paul is a Libertarian at heart...they have radically different views from conservatives on issues like abortion and drug use.

Texasteel
10-20-2009, 09:28 AM
Thinking it through, I am having a hard time coming up with any "true" conservatives in congress anymore... So many have gone the way of the "rhino".

Really is a shame.... and part of the reason I no longer consider myself a republican.

A third party may have a chance if most conservatives realize the the Republican party no longer belongs to them.

revefsreleets
10-20-2009, 11:05 AM
God, you can't STAND it when someone corrects you, can you?

You're boring...

revefsreleets
10-21-2009, 08:06 AM
I'm talking about whiny liberals.

You are a liberal, and you are whiny.

The title of the thread includes the words "whiney [sic] liberal".

I'm not sure how I could be more ON topic here...

beSteelmyheart
10-21-2009, 06:26 PM
And it's hilarious that either side believes anything that their respective politicians say!!!!!! :chuckle: Hasn't anyone managed to figure out that they are all full of shit, no matter what side they are on??
When are we as a people going to get it thru our heads that it's a waste of breath & mental energy to argue over something that makes no difference to them? That the only thing that does matter is the money lining the pockets & the special interest groups who put that money there? Are we as a people so friggin stupid that we're not taking that into consideration at all? Are we so ignorant as to actually believe that "oh, the other side does that." Whatever. You guys are just wasting mental energy on a bunch of parasites in power that want to empty your pockets & bleed you dry for their own benefit, no matter what friggin party they belong to.

GBMelBlount
10-21-2009, 06:49 PM
And it's hilarious that either side believes anything that their respective politicians say!!!!!! :chuckle: Hasn't anyone managed to figure out that they are all full of shit, no matter what side they are on??
When are we as a people going to get it thru our heads that it's a waste of breath & mental energy to argue over something that makes no difference to them? That the only thing that does matter is the money lining the pockets & the special interest groups who put that money there? Are we as a people so friggin stupid that we're not taking that into consideration at all? Are we so ignorant as to actually believe that "oh, the other side does that." Whatever. You guys are just wasting mental energy on a bunch of parasites in power that want to empty your pockets & bleed you dry for their own benefit, no matter what friggin party they belong to.

You have a good point.

There is plenty of fodder on most every politician. That is why I enjoy focusing on their general beliefs and philosophies, for example, freedom & liberty vs. government solutions.

But I must say, all shitting aside, that I will tend to vote conservative because a shitty conservative politician is usually less shitty than a shitty liberal politician.....:chuckle:

beSteelmyheart
10-21-2009, 07:00 PM
I can't help but doubt that they even believe in the general philosophies, it is their job to pay lip service to those beliefs & whomever is the best at duping the most people into buying into it wins.
We as a people believe it...The honest working American, no matter what party they belong to, honestly believe it! It's just too bad that the people who represent us do not believe it. If they do, they have a funny way of showing it.
I think that the 2 party system is going to tear apart this country & if we want to move in a positive direction, meaning WE THE PEOPLE, the ridiculous bickering that has reached a feverish pitch has got to stop.It's sickening & useless & kind of pathetic & it is getting us absolutely nowhere.