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tony hipchest
10-25-2009, 08:35 PM
a majority was glad to dump madison for returner logan, and carey davis for anyone who could resemble a fullback.

we have our returner, and david johnson has been our FB/TE in favor of davis (who was recently re-signed to replace summers).

both do well.

but our special teams KO coverage has suffered.

its really no mystery why we have given up 2 returns in 2 consecutive weeks. it is a zero sum game and we have subtracted from one area to add to others.

the steelerfans who constantly bitch about everything need to figure this out.

while i am happy with logan as a returner, and johnson as a FB, i openly worried about dumping 2 great special teamers in madison and davis.

sometimes you dont know what you got til its gone.

43Hitman
10-25-2009, 08:41 PM
I hear ya Tony, ST is really starting to worry me. That can be a back breaker in a tight playoff game. We were set to take that game over today and gave Minn life with their return.

SteelC7
10-25-2009, 09:44 PM
it was almost a back breaker today if they would have scored at the end, i mean i was so happy for 5 mins, then BOOM! return TD, im wondering what exactly our prob is on ST, doesnt carey davis play on them still, now that hes back?

tube517
10-25-2009, 09:49 PM
Carey Davis was inactive today. He'll probably be inactive as long as DJ Johnson is healthy.

it was almost a back breaker today if they would have scored at the end, i mean i was so happy for 5 mins, then BOOM! return TD, im wondering what exactly our prob is on ST, doesnt carey davis play on them still, now that hes back?

tony hipchest
10-25-2009, 09:51 PM
it was almost a back breaker today if they would have scored at the end, i mean i was so happy for 5 mins, then BOOM! return TD, im wondering what exactly our prob is on ST, doesnt carey davis play on them still, now that hes back?now that he is back, 7th round rookie pick david johnson, has been healthy. carey davis was inactive last weekend, and i didnt see him today, but i did see johnson, which tells me, he was in sweatpants once again.

EDIT- before i check tube 517 confirms he was deactivated.

davis and madison definitely made a difference on st's. like i said, we gain in one area and lose in another.

The Duke
10-25-2009, 11:28 PM
I never liked the idea of cutting madison, but it is what it is

Too bad he's now stuck in cleveland....

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-25-2009, 11:49 PM
Yeah, the special teamers of notice last season were Bailey, Fox, Madison IMO. We still have 2 of the 3 and should be able to see a young guy like Burnett, Mundy, Lewis or Ratliff step up and fill the role of Madison.

But the real question to me is where the heck is Patrick Bailey been on special teams??? I think he needs to be deactivated and reminded that he is as easy of a cut as a hot knife thru butter.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-25-2009, 11:50 PM
now that he is back, 7th round rookie pick david johnson, has been healthy. carey davis was inactive last weekend, and i didnt see him today, but i did see johnson, which tells me, he was in sweatpants once again.

EDIT- before i check tube 517 confirms he was deactivated.

davis and madison definitely made a difference on st's. like i said, we gain in one area and lose in another.

Tony, I bet Carey Davis made approx 8 special teams tackles last season. Maybe somebody can find stats on that, but again I seem to remember Bailey, Fox, Madison being the real solid cover guys last season.

steelrush
10-26-2009, 03:52 AM
Apart from our defense that looked terribly out-of-pace in the first three-four games, our Special Teams (particullary KO/P coverage ones) are beginning to look more and more as our next achille's heel.
We've done it yesterday with the Vikes, we've done it with the Browns. We've got to fix this. I'm getting so frustrating when, after a TD scored I have to fear a return for touchdown by the opponent on the very next play!:banging:

solardave
10-26-2009, 03:55 AM
Yeah, the special teamers of notice last season were Bailey, Fox, Madison IMO. We still have 2 of the 3 and should be able to see a young guy like Burnett, Mundy, Lewis or Ratliff step up and fill the role of Madison.

But the real question to me is where the heck is Patrick Bailey been on special teams??? I think he needs to be deactivated and reminded that he is as easy of a cut as a hot knife thru butter.

I watched Bailey give up on the pursuit on that TD return. Uncharacteristic of him but that's what he did.

Galax Steeler
10-26-2009, 04:00 AM
Our special teams started the year playing good but for some reason they have let it slip the last two games. The run back yesterday should have never happened Reed just tried to push him out of bounds instead of making a tackle. So I fault that one to Reed.

TX Steelerfan
10-26-2009, 10:17 AM
ST's haven't been much of a factor around here since we had coach Jay Hayes. Boy, did his ST's suck. Current coach Ligashesky doesn't want to be compared to him, for sure. What's Chidi Iwuoma doing these days?

43Hitman
10-26-2009, 10:24 AM
ST's haven't been much of a factor around here since we had coach Jay Hayes. Boy, did his ST's suck. Current coach Ligashesky doesn't want to be compared to him, for sure. What's Chidi Iwuoma doing these days?

I don't know, but he was a beast on ST.

X-Terminator
10-26-2009, 10:25 AM
Our special teams started the year playing good but for some reason they have let it slip the last two games. The run back yesterday should have never happened Reed just tried to push him out of bounds instead of making a tackle. So I fault that one to Reed.

Again, he never should have been placed in that position. The kicker should never, EVER, EVER have to make a tackle on a kick return.

No offense Galax, but I'm going to keep saying this until it finally sinks in with the masses.

onefortheotherhand
10-26-2009, 03:56 PM
harvin and cribbs are pretty good returners though

tony hipchest
10-26-2009, 04:04 PM
can anyone tell if harrisons role on kick coverage has been reduced or eliminated? i havent noticed on tv. he was the #3 st taclker last year and i have to assume after his monster year and contract, this plays on teams have atleast been limited.

SteelerFanInStl
10-26-2009, 06:38 PM
Yeah, the special teamers of notice last season were Bailey, Fox, Madison IMO. We still have 2 of the 3 and should be able to see a young guy like Burnett, Mundy, Lewis or Ratliff step up and fill the role of Madison.


I'm surprised that Burnett, Mundy and Lewis haven't stepped up to fill that role. Has Lewis been inactive every game? I expected to see a little more of him this year.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-26-2009, 07:57 PM
No offense Galax, but I'm going to keep saying this until it finally sinks in with the masses.

You are saying a football player should never be expected to make a tackle??? :screwy:

That theory has as much creedence as the one that FWP is sandbagging to get out of the burgh.

X-Terminator
10-26-2009, 08:04 PM
You are saying a football player should never be expected to make a tackle??? :screwy:

That theory has as much creedence as the one that FWP is sandbagging to get out of the burgh.

I didn't say EXPECTED. I said he shouldn't HAVE TO...meaning that it's the job of the other 10 guys on the field to make sure the kicker isn't the last line of defense. Huge difference, and certainly not a unreasonable or "screwy" viewpoint. I thought I made that perfectly clear in my other posts on this subject as well.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-26-2009, 08:10 PM
I didn't say EXPECTED. I said he shouldn't HAVE TO...meaning that it's the job of the other 10 guys on the field to make sure the kicker isn't the last line of defense. Huge difference, and certainly not a unreasonable or "screwy" viewpoint. I thought I made that perfectly clear in my other posts on this subject as well.

I expect a guy that gives that poorly of an effort, to be critizized and clowned because of it. If he made an effort to grab, tackle, even dive at the feet of Harvin and missed......I would give the guy a break. Having no tackling talent, but giving effort is expected in football.

Ditka was even clowning him for playing 2-hand touch on tonights pregame on MNF.

X-Terminator
10-26-2009, 11:31 PM
I expect a guy that gives that poorly of an effort, to be critizized and clowned because of it. If he made an effort to grab, tackle, even dive at the feet of Harvin and missed......I would give the guy a break. Having no tackling talent, but giving effort is expected in football.

Ditka was even clowning him for playing 2-hand touch on tonights pregame on MNF.

OK fine, it wasn't a good effort on his part. But he still should not have been put in that position in the first place. And with that, I'm done discussing it. Nobody seems to understand my point, so why waste the time and bandwidth anymore? You all can just continue to put the entire blame on Reed for the return, to the exclusion of everyone else on the coverage unit. And again, I bet you Favre doesn't get anywhere near the criticism from Vikings fans that Reed has taken for his NO attempt to tackle Woodley on his fumble return.

El-Gonzo Jackson
10-26-2009, 11:37 PM
OK fine, it wasn't a good effort on his part. But he still should not have been put in that position in the first place. And with that, I'm done discussing it. Nobody seems to understand my point, so why waste the time and bandwidth anymore?

Your point seems to be that its not Reeds job to make a tackle and he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. In essence........."its not my job".

That honestly is a weak arguement as it wasnt Ben's job to tackle Gary Brackett. Nor is it the job of Woodley to score a TD or Ryan Clark's job to block on Sunday on INT return, rather he is paid to tackle people.

To the point of this thread...Madison and his cover skills are missed, but somebody should be able to be a gunner and Carey Davis still sucks.

X-Terminator
10-27-2009, 12:02 AM
Your point seems to be that its not Reeds job to make a tackle and he shouldn't have been in that position to begin with. In essence........."its not my job".

That honestly is a weak arguement as it wasnt Ben's job to tackle Gary Brackett. Nor is it the job of Woodley to score a TD or Ryan Clark's job to block on Sunday on INT return, rather he is paid to tackle people.

To the point of this thread...Madison and his cover skills are missed, but somebody should be able to be a gunner and Carey Davis still sucks.

OK, and this is the absolute last thing I'm going to say on this. Should Reed have been put in the position to make that tackle? No. It is the job of the rest of the coverage unit to ensure that Reed does not have to make the attempt. They tackle Harvin before he gets to Reed, and we aren't having this discussion. Same thing with Cribbs last week. That is and has been my point, I stand by it, and I do NOT think it's a weak argument.

Galax Steeler
10-27-2009, 03:37 AM
Again, he never should have been placed in that position. The kicker should never, EVER, EVER have to make a tackle on a kick return.

No offense Galax, but I'm going to keep saying this until it finally sinks in with the masses.

There is no offense everyone is entitled to there opinion. You are right he should not have been in that kind of position. There is times that kickers will be put in that position and when they are they need to try and make a play and from my standpoint he didn't even try. We will leave it at that.:drink:

SteelMember
10-27-2009, 07:50 AM
People can blame Reed for his poor effort, but there was plenty wrong on that play including Ratliff and Johnson taking piss poor angles and getting beat when Harvin cut it back inside.

tony hipchest
10-27-2009, 05:28 PM
jim wexell confirmed that harrison hasnt been playing any special teams this year (which is no suprise considering his age, contribution, and contract).

i had also forgotten about long time ST'er a. frazier being out the past 2 weeks.

so anyways, when anyone asked what is wrong with our coverage teams allowing returns the past 2 weeks , when they were so solid last year, there you go.

another tidbit from wexell is burnett has been active over lewis, because the coaches feel he has been real solid on 'teams for a rookie.