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Vincent
10-26-2009, 11:07 AM
Not taking sides here - just reporting...

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx

October 26, 2009

Conservatives Maintain Edge as Top Ideological Group

Compared with 2008, more Americans “conservative” in general, and on issues

by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Conservatives continue to outnumber moderates and liberals in the American populace in 2009, confirming a finding that Gallup first noted in June. Forty percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, 36% as moderate, and 20% as liberal. This marks a shift from 2005 through 2008, when moderates were tied with conservatives as the most prevalent group.

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"Changes among political independents appear to be the main reason the percentage of conservatives has increased nationally over the past year: the 35% of independents describing their views as conservative in 2009 is up from 29% in 2008."

The 2009 data are based on 16 separate Gallup surveys conducted from January through September, encompassing more than 5,000 national adults per quarter. Conservatives have been the dominant ideological group each quarter, with between 39% and 41% of Americans identifying themselves as either "very conservative" or "conservative." Between 35% and 37% of Americans call themselves "moderate," while the percentage calling themselves "very liberal" or "liberal" has consistently registered between 20% and 21% -- making liberals the smallest of the three groups.

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Independents Inch to the Right

Changes among political independents appear to be the main reason the percentage of conservatives has increased nationally over the past year: the 35% of independents describing their views as conservative in 2009 is up from 29% in 2008. By contrast, among Republicans and Democrats, the percentage who are "conservative" has increased by one point each.

As is typical in recent years, Republicans are far more unified in their political outlook than are either independents or Democrats. While 72% of Republicans in 2009 call their views conservative, independents are closely split between the moderate and conservative labels (43% and 35%, respectively). Democrats are about evenly divided between moderates (39%) and liberals (37%).

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Americans Also Moving Right on Some Issues

In addition to the increase in conservatism on this general ideology measure, Gallup finds higher percentages of Americans expressing conservative views on several specific issues in 2009 than in 2008.
• Perceptions that there is too much government regulation of business and industry jumped from 38% in September 2008 to 45% in September 2009.
• The percentage of Americans saying they would like to see labor unions have less influence in the country rose from 32% in August 2008 to a record-high 42% in August 2009.
• Public support for keeping the laws governing the sale of firearms the same or making them less strict rose from 49% in October 2008 to 55% in October 2009, also a record high. (The percentage saying the laws should become more strict -- the traditionally liberal position -- fell from 49% to 44%.)
• The percentage of Americans favoring a decrease in immigration rose from 39% in June/July 2008 to 50% in July 2009.
• The propensity to want the government to "promote traditional values" -- as opposed to "not favor any particular set of values" -- rose from 48% in 2008 to 53% in 2009. Current support for promoting traditional values is the highest seen in five years.
• The percentage of Americans who consider themselves "pro-life" on abortion rose from 44% in May 2008 to 51% in May 2009, and remained at a slightly elevated 47% in July 2009.
• Americans' belief that the global warming problem is "exaggerated" in the news rose from 35% in March 2008 to 41% in March 2009.

Gallup has not recorded heightened conservatism on all major social and political views held by Americans. For instance, attitudes on the death penalty, gay marriage, the Iraq war, and Afghanistan have stayed about the same since 2008. However, there are no major examples of U.S. public opinion becoming more liberal in the past year. (Gallup's annual trends on healthcare will be updated in November, so those attitudes are not included in this review.)

The conservative shifts discussed here result as much from changes in political independents' views as from changes in Republicans' views. Democrats' views, by contrast, have generally changed only slightly -- either to the conservative or liberal side -- with two exceptions: Gallup finds greater movement in Democrats' views of abortion, which have become more liberal, and their views of labor unions, which have become more conservative.

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Bottom Line
Americans are more likely to consider themselves conservative this year than they were in 2008, resulting in conservatives -- now 40% of the American public -- outnumbering moderates for the first time since 2004. While Gallup first documented this trend in June, the finding has been sustained through the third quarter.

Conservatism is most prevalent among Republicans. However, the overall increase in this ideological stance since 2008 comes largely from political independents, among whom 35% say they are conservatives thus far in 2009 -- compared with 29% last year. Independents have also become more conservative on a number of specific policy issues, including government and union power, the role of government relative to promoting values, gun laws, immigration, global warming, and abortion. Republicans, most of whom considered themselves ideologically conservative in 2008, have also grown more conservative on several of these issues this year, while less change is seen among Democrats.

All of this has potentially important implications at the ballot box, particularly for the 2010 midterm elections. The question is whether increased conservatism, particularly among independents, will translate into heightened support for Republican candidates. Right now, it appears it may. Although Gallup polling continues to show the Democratic Party leading the Republican Party in Americans' party identification, that lead has been narrowing since the beginning of the year and now stands at six points, the smallest since 2005. According to Gallup Managing Editor Jeff Jones, "the Democratic-Republican gap is narrowing because more independents now say they lean to the Republican Party." That trend aligns with the recent changes in how independents perceive their own ideology and where they stand on some key issues.

Survey Methods

The 2009 political ideology results reported here are based on 16 aggregated Gallup surveys conducted from January to September 2009. For results based on the total sample of 16,321 national adults, aged 18 and older, one can say with 95% confidence that the maximum margin of sampling error is ±1 percentage point.

Interviews are conducted with respondents on land-line telephones (for respondents with a land-line telephone) and cellular phones (for respondents who are cell-phone only).

In addition to sampling error, question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of public opinion polls.

KeiselPower99
10-26-2009, 12:22 PM
I have noticed that Libs usually come from the New England area and out in California.

GBMelBlount
10-26-2009, 12:32 PM
Keiselpower99
I have noticed that Libs usually come from the New England area and out in California.

....I have also noticed that a lot of them come out of a different orafice, apparently..... :chuckle:

MasterOfPuppets
10-26-2009, 05:07 PM
hmmmm....where were all these conservatives on election day.....:noidea:

RunWillieRun
10-26-2009, 05:30 PM
hmmmm....where were all these conservatives on election day.....:noidea:

Voting for McCain/Palin? Bob Barr?

O won with the independents.

Pretty sure McCain got >40% of the vote.

Vincent
10-26-2009, 05:56 PM
hmmmm....where were all these conservatives on election day.....:noidea:

The story was that they were put off by McCain's liberal record. The elephants put Palin on the ticket to draw more conservatives. Had they not done that, it would have been a wipe out.

O won with the independents.

bho won with an "all in" "media", and $265M in "donations" in the form of small credit card transactions routed through Swiss banks. http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.1527/pub_detail.asp

Pretty sure McCain got >40% of the vote.

Pretty sure he got 46% http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/

No "mandate" for bho there.

Leftoverhard
10-26-2009, 10:59 PM
Goooooo conservatives!!! You can do it! Win! Rah Rah Rah!

Like that?

Preacher
10-26-2009, 11:02 PM
hmmmm....where were all these conservatives on election day.....:noidea:

Simple-- When faced with voting for a moderate liberal or a radical liberal, they stayed home since conservatives had no dog in the race.

Its probably what I should have done too.

tony hipchest
10-26-2009, 11:06 PM
The elephants put Palin on the ticket to draw more conservatives.

theres that name again.... :toofunny:

LIMBAUGH/PALIN in '12

woot! :tt04:

X-Terminator
10-26-2009, 11:46 PM
theres that name again.... :toofunny:

LIMBAUGH/PALIN in '12

woot! :tt04:

You and I both know that ticket will never happen.

tony hipchest
10-27-2009, 12:01 AM
You and I both know that ticket will never happen.i honestly believe that is the ticket much of the GOP secretly wish for, even if it is a pipe dream.

otherwise they wouldnt have such a rabid following.

Preacher
10-27-2009, 12:10 AM
i honestly believe that is the ticket much of the GOP secretly wish for, even if it is a pipe dream.

otherwise they wouldnt have such a rabid following.

You seem to have an awfully low view of 40 plus percent of the country. Most people follow Rush because he entertains them for three hours while they are at work with a general world view that they more agree than disagree with. However, that in no way can be equated with an assumption that most would want that ticket.

Now a Gingrich-_______ ticket, I think a number of people would jump on.

Gingrich IMO would have the same basic problem that BHO has... and that I don't like.

Its my belief that a president should have executive experience first. The better presidents have become so because for the most part, they were governors first. The last time a legislator became president over an executive was FDR over Nixon, and Nixon was VP. Last time for a legislator became president over a state governor? I have no idea.

tony hipchest
10-27-2009, 12:31 AM
You seem to have an awfully low view of 40 plus percent of the country. Most people follow Rush because he entertains them for three hours while they are at work with a general world view that they more agree than disagree with. However, that in no way can be equated with an assumption that most would want that ticket.

Now a Gingrich-_______ ticket, I think a number of people would jump on.

Gingrich IMO would have the same basic problem that BHO has... and that I don't like.

Its my belief that a president should have executive experience first. The better presidents have become so because for the most part, they were governors first. The last time a legislator became president over an executive was FDR over Nixon, and Nixon was VP. Last time for a legislator became president over a state governor? I have no idea.

why do i have a low opinion? more than HALFof the 40% you speak of would want that ticket.
= "most" (you and i both know it).

anyways, you are preaching to the choir (no pun intended). i am one of the extreme minority who thought gov. richardson was most qualified for the position, this cycle. :noidea:

i still believe that, but because of a silly smear campaign, one obamas finest cabinet appointments had to decline the post (and probably ruin any thoughts of upward advancement in his political career).

oh well.

STEELERS for 07 :tt02:

X-Terminator
10-27-2009, 12:56 AM
You seem to have an awfully low view of 40 plus percent of the country. Most people follow Rush because he entertains them for three hours while they are at work with a general world view that they more agree than disagree with. However, that in no way can be equated with an assumption that most would want that ticket.

Having listened to his show quite a few times over the past 15 years, Rush has been asked many times to consider running for office, and every time he's said he wouldn't do it, because he doesn't want to take the pay cut. So I would say there are a lot of conservatives who would want that ticket or a similar ticket, though certainly not all of them. And that is why it'll never happen - most conservatives know that is a losing ticket. They are as far to the right as Obama is to the left, IMO.

Preacher
10-27-2009, 01:28 AM
Having listened to his show quite a few times over the past 15 years, Rush has been asked many times to consider running for office, and every time he's said he wouldn't do it, because he doesn't want to take the pay cut. So I would say there are a lot of conservatives who would want that ticket or a similar ticket, though certainly not all of them. And that is why it'll never happen - most conservatives know that is a losing ticket. They are as far to the right as Obama is to the left, IMO.

Bingo.

Which is why I think 95 percent of the people who declare themselves as conservatives wouldn't want him to run, because they know he will be a losing ticket. Furthermore, some of his basic premises are dialectically opposed to Christianity.

He is in all honestly, a classical liberal. By that I mean, he is an enlightenment era liberal. His views on human nature, natural law, govt., are all right in line from what I can tell. The foundation to that runs counter to true conservative Christian thought and doctrine.

I could see 5, maybe 10 percent wanting him to run. But that is a vast minority.

Vincent
10-27-2009, 09:37 AM
The trial balloon of NFL minority ownership went well. So off to the top of the GOP ticket, right? :rofl:

I know a lot of folks that listen to Rush, myself included. The last thing he'd do is run. Why would he subject himself to the death march the oh so open minded media would put him through. Rush has a splendid gig that affords him an even more splendid life. He is far more effective in that role than he could ever be in office. A Rush / anybody ticket is absurd.

Newt is in the same position to a lessor degree - pilloried by the media.

Polls have Huckaby as the elephant front runner. Has executive experience but I don't see him winning. The rest - Pawlenty, Romney, Palin - fagetaboutit.

IMHO, the smart elephant ticket would be Powell / Patreaus. That ticket would be the blend of position, executive leadership, and experience that would draw moderates, independents, and conservatives. And it would contrast well with the clowns on the donkey ticket. It would be a wipe out.

GBMelBlount
10-27-2009, 11:07 AM
They are as far to the right as Obama is to the left, IMO.

Do YOU really believe that?

50 years ago Rush's views would be considered mainstream by the majority and Obama would be considered a socialist/communist.

So here is my question XT.

Exactly which of Rush's conservative beliefs do YOU feel are extreme, or "far to the right?"

Godfather
10-27-2009, 12:08 PM
IMHO, the smart elephant ticket would be Powell / Patreaus. That ticket would be the blend of position, executive leadership, and experience that would draw moderates, independents, and conservatives. And it would contrast well with the clowns on the donkey ticket. It would be a wipe out.

I don't see that ticket winning. Powell will have trouble with the GOP base because of his liberal positions on social issues and his 2008 endorsement of the O.

And that ticket would have no domestic policy credentials. The strong foreign policy credentials won't matter unless we have another 9/11 or multiple serious foreign policy disasters.

Preacher
10-27-2009, 04:23 PM
I don't see that ticket winning. Powell will have trouble with the GOP base because of his liberal positions on social issues and his 2008 endorsement of the O.

And that ticket would have no domestic policy credentials. The strong foreign policy credentials won't matter unless we have another 9/11 or multiple serious foreign policy disasters.

Exactly. Powell has all but destroyed his credibility with the GOP.

I really don't know who will be put up to run for president. However, they need to have a STRONG conservative background with a HISTORY of governing from teh right, not just mouthing the words like Bush and Romney.

X-Terminator
10-27-2009, 07:44 PM
Do YOU really believe that?

50 years ago Rush's views would be considered mainstream by the majority and Obama would be considered a socialist/communist.

So here is my question XT.

Exactly which of Rush's conservative beliefs do YOU feel are extreme, or "far to the right?"

I am not going there with you, with all due respect. We are not going to agree on anything I say, and I'm about argued out after all of the BS in the Steelers forum. Sorry man.

KeiselPower99
10-27-2009, 08:39 PM
Most Republicans are Democrats with a R beside their name.

GBMelBlount
10-27-2009, 09:48 PM
I am not going there with you, with all due respect. We are not going to agree on anything I say, and I'm about argued out after all of the BS in the Steelers forum. Sorry man.

Fair enough. :drink:

HometownGal
10-27-2009, 10:19 PM
Most Republicans are Democrats with a R beside their name.

:buttkick:

You can keep me out of that incorrect assumption. :horror:

I used to be a Demo but switched parties in 2004 and have never regretted it or looked back. :thumbsup:

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 10:42 AM
Most Republicans are Democrats with a R beside their name.

As far as government spending, definitely, especially in Congress.

When a Democrat spends like a Democrat, conservatives complain.

When a Republican (Bush) spends like a Democrat, no complaints.

GOP= 30% approval rating, and dropping daily.

:applaudit: :applaudit: :applaudit: :applaudit:

X-Terminator
10-29-2009, 10:58 AM
As far as government spending, definitely, especially in Congress.

When a Democrat spends like a Democrat, conservatives complain.

When a Republican (Bush) spends like a Democrat, no complaints.

GOP= 30% approval rating, and dropping daily.

:applaudit: :applaudit: :applaudit: :applaudit:

Incorrect.

MANY Republicans had a huge problem with Bush's spending. He was not a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

GBMelBlount
10-29-2009, 11:12 AM
GOP= 30% approval rating, and dropping daily.

:applaudit: :applaudit: :applaudit: :applaudit:

Good point Steelboy!

....and as long as the number of rapists, murderers, child molesters, lazy people, and people like yourself continues to grow, the above number may continue to drop. :chuckle:

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 11:26 AM
Incorrect.

MANY Republicans had a huge problem with Bush's spending. He was not a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh, I know he wasn't a fiscal conservative.

But I wonder where the "tea parties" were doing this period of time. Seems to me if conservatives are so against heavy government spending, it doesn't matter who's in the White House. They're going to speak out no matter what, which is why I respect Ron Paul. He wasn't scared of the fraudulent Bush.

The new age conservatives, or "neocons" had nothing to say against Bush and his Republican Congress for 6 years.

And you say "many" Republicans. lol Yea..............................

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 11:27 AM
Good point Steelboy!

....and as long as the number of rapists, murderers, child molesters, lazy people, and people like yourself continues to grow, the above number may continue to drop. :chuckle:

Awww, someone got their little feelings hurt. :chuckle:

Vincent
10-29-2009, 11:30 AM
He was not a fiscal conservative by any stretch of the imagination.

He was a "compassionate conservative". As his Daddy once said of "Field of Dreams", "If anyone figures that out, lemme know".

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 11:36 AM
"Conservative" doesn't automatically equal "Republican" and there are many different groups that consider themselves conservative.
Rush/ Palin? :doh:
http://blog.internetnews.com/apatrizio/do-not-want-dog.jpg
Rush Limbaugh is a partisan pundit, not a conservative idealist. And Sarah Palin would have the stigma of weakness marking her.

What the Republicans need (IMO) is someone with Ron Paul's passion and eloquence, but more charisma.

Ha! The way they threw HIM under the bus? lol

I have talked to people who claim Ron Paul isn't a real conservative. They claim his ideas are too radical. Paul doesn't want "less government", he wants NO government.

And many conservatives would agree with him. The things is, they didn't even give him a chance in the 2008 primaries. They elected that old fool John McCain.

Then he lost, they threw HIM under the bus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GBMelBlount
10-29-2009, 11:47 AM
Awww, someone got their little feelings hurt. :chuckle:

Not at all. I'm proud to be a conservative, regardless of numbers, and I will gladly tell you why and debate it with you, friend.

But I laugh at people, like yourself, who throw stones from shadows and appear afraid, like a small child perhaps, or embarrassed like a child forced to talk about why they like to masturbate.

I will look you in the eye & go toe to toe debating with you, but I would imagine you, like most liberals, you will be afraid to debate the principles...throwing stones while you run away like a "little baby infant child". :chuckle:

Sorry, just being honest, friend. :drink:

So do you want tell us why you are a liberal?.......

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 11:49 AM
Not at all. I'm proud to be a conservative, regardless of numbers, and I will gladly tell you why and debate it with you, friend.

But I laugh at people, like yourself, who throw stones from shadows and are afraid, well perhaps embarassed, or both, to talk about why they are liberals... I guess the word that the word that comes to mind is.......well.......p*ussy. lol.

Sorry, just being honest. :drink:

So do you want tell us why you are a liberal?.......

You're angry because people don't agree with you.

"So do you want tell us why you are a liberal?"

You're assuming I'm a liberal. Everyone that doesn't agree with a conservative is not automatically a liberal.

GBMelBlount
10-29-2009, 12:02 PM
You're angry because people don't agree with you.

"So do you want tell us why you are a liberal?"

You're assuming I'm a liberal. Everyone that doesn't agree with a conservative is not automatically a liberal.

You are the one that is apparently angry. I enjoy debating and discussing views and opinions.

You simply throw stones and stir the pot.

Unfortunately, it appears that you are the angry & miserable person, friend, why else would you post with the sole intention of TRYING to anger others when in fact all you are doing is coming across like a childish troll with your only intention being to disrupt threads? :wink02:

SteelerEmpire
10-29-2009, 12:03 PM
????? Hum....This data is contrary to most census and demographic data and taken over the recent years. It has been estimated that the total minority population will outnumber the current majority in the next 20-30 years.
Most minorities are moderates, independents or liberals....
According to all of the other "studies" that I've come across.... I don't know about "conservative" (I guess it all depends on what definition your following), but I have heard that "Republicans" will have a smaller, and smaller, share of the voting "population" as time passes....

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 12:08 PM
You are the one that is apparently angry. I enjoy debating and discussing views and opinions.

You simply throw stones and stir the pot.

Unfortunately, it appears that you are the angry & miserable person, friend, why else would you post with the sole intention of TRYING to anger others when in fact all you are doing is coming across like a childish troll with your only intention being to disrupt threads? :wink02:

I'm not the one who started attacking others. I didn't attack any person on here. Instead of being upset at that "justice of the peace", all the "old conservatives" got all up in arms.

You, FanSince76, Vincent, that Mach person, and you all are upset because everyone doesn't agree with you. You all have the right to think whatever and however you want, but because I disagree, you all get upset. I'm not the one angry here.

Its sad that people get angry because you don't agree with them. Real sad. You all are like some clique or something. No one knows anyone on here, no one is going to meet anyone. You all get upset. Its a message board. Its not that serious.

GBMelBlount
10-29-2009, 12:23 PM
So let me get this straight......

I am a conservative. I am 100% honest, open and direct about my beliefs and am very comfortable debating and defending them.

You, on the other hand, throw stones, hide in the shadows stir the pot & deflect and are afraid to discuss and debate your beliefs as a child would that was caught masturbating and forced to talk about it.....

and I am the one that is angry?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 12:24 PM
So let me get this straight......

I am a conservative. I am 100% honest, open and direct about my beliefs and am very comfortable debating and defending them.

You, on the other hand, throw stones, hide in the shadows stir the pot & deflect and are afraid to discuss and debate your beliefs as a child would that was caught masturbating and forced to talk about it.....

and I am the one that is angry?

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

"No one knows anyone on here, no one is going to meet anyone. You all get upset. Its a message board. Its not that serious."

You seemed to have missed that part. :hatsoff:

GBMelBlount
10-29-2009, 12:26 PM
Class dismissed. Owned. :chuckle:

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 12:33 PM
Class dismissed. Owned. :chuckle:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26349526

And there's nothing YOU or any other angry conservative can do about it.

:flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap: :flap:

Let's see if your anger is going to change it. Let's see if another failed attempt at a wit, smart remark is going to change it. Go on, try. You can do it.

:hatsoff:

Steelboy84
10-29-2009, 12:33 PM
Good day sir.

:hatsoff: :hatsoff: :hatsoff:

GBMelBlount
10-29-2009, 12:36 PM
OK Steelboy, you win. :chuckle:

Now zip up your trousers, wash your hands and run along :rofl:...

hindes204
10-29-2009, 12:48 PM
Give it up GB, weve gone thru this a few times already with him. His goal is to stir the pot and try to get people to argue with him, all the while, never really saying anything at all. Typical troll behavior, just ignore him, hopefully he will go away

revefsreleets
10-29-2009, 02:05 PM
I was vehemently opposed to the irresponsible and reprehensible out of control spending that occurred under Bush's presidency with a D controlled sitting Congress.

However, the alternative would have been far worse.

The choices were Gore and Kerry. I shudder to think what a shambles this country would be in now had we had both the Legislative and the Executive controlled by liberals for the last 9 year....yeeshka!

I also don't disagree with the poll. I'm sure the majority of people in this country still, relatively speaking, consider themselves conservative. But it IS a relative thing, so....

GBMelBlount
10-29-2009, 02:36 PM
Give it up GB, weve gone thru this a few times already with him. His goal is to stir the pot and try to get people to argue with him, all the while, never really saying anything at all. Typical troll behavior, just ignore him, hopefully he will go away

You nailed it Hindes.

"Stir the pot while never really saying anything"

There is only one Lib on this site who has the temerity to DIRECTLY engage conservatives AND make some decent arguments.

Unfortunately, Steelboy has been weighed, measured and found wanton.

He flaunts himself as an intellectual, yet uses the cliche' arguments that conservatives are less inclusive, for which he is now embarrassed, as well as "angry" (mean, uncaring, greedy, selfish, etc. ) which is simply code for "I can't make an intellectual argument against conservatives so I will label & stereotype them to make myself feel better being a liberal" :rofl:

He has three options.

1. Continue to be a troll, cowering in the shadows, name calling and stirring the pot .....continuing to owned

2. Argue intelligently

3. STFU. :chuckle:

Vincent
10-29-2009, 02:59 PM
He flaunts himself as an intellectual, yet uses the cliche'

C'mon GB. Liberalism is all about being "inclusive". We need clichés to dumb discussions down so everybody can play. It isn't fair that anyone be excluded because of intellectual or language "challenges". Try to show a little sensitivity.