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stlrtruck
11-05-2009, 03:36 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts

At least seven people are dead and 12 wounded in a shooting at Fort Hood in Texas, the base's public affairs office told NBC News on Thursday.

The official would not give his name nor additional details. It was unknown whether victims are soldiers or civilians. One gunman was reportedly in custody and another was on the loose, NBC News said. A third shooter may be involved, according to NBC News affiliate KCEN.

KCEN in Waco reported that the second suspect may be holed up in a building on the post.

The base was reportedly on lockdown. Two nearby school districts were also being locked down.

Fort Hood is adjacent to Killeen, and 60 miles northeast of Austin. The sprawling complex is home to at least 4,929 active duty officers and 45,414 enlisted. Civilian employees total nearly 9,000.

The base has seen other violence in recent years. In September 2008, a 21-year-old 1st Cavalry Division soldier shot his lieutenant to death and then killed himself. Spc. Jody Michael Wirawan of Eagle River, Alaska. shot himself to death after shooting 1st Lt. Robert Bartlett Fletcher, 24, of Jensen Beach, Fla. to death.

Prayers out to the families of the dead
Prayers to the wounded

SCSTILLER
11-05-2009, 03:41 PM
Haven't heard about this yet. Prayers to the families!

Fire Haley
11-05-2009, 03:51 PM
2 confirmed shooters, possible 3rd

SteelCityMom
11-05-2009, 04:22 PM
Thoughts go out to everyone and their families there.

I have a friend who's husband was stationed in Ft. Hood and they just relocated to South Carolina about 2 weeks ago...she's pretty shook up about it since she has a lot of friends (military and otherwise) in that area.

AllD
11-05-2009, 04:49 PM
Are the gunmen homegrown or Hajis?

Fire Haley
11-05-2009, 05:00 PM
12 dead, 31 injured at deployment center bldgs. All shots fired there.



Shooter was a soldier, used 2 handguns.

Shooter was killed. 2 more suspects being investigated.

MACH1
11-05-2009, 05:10 PM
Wasn't it graduation day there today?

HometownGal
11-05-2009, 05:10 PM
I just heard this tragic news on KDKA. 12 people confirmed dead thus far. More details coming in. How truly sad. :crying01:

NJarhead
11-05-2009, 05:10 PM
Are the gunmen homegrown or Hajis?

I'm wondering the same thing. :mad:

MACH1
11-05-2009, 05:13 PM
If there are three people involved, it's probably a little more than someone just going off the deep end.

NJarhead
11-05-2009, 05:21 PM
If there are three people involved, it's probably a little more than someone just going off the deep end.

All three shooters are soldiers. Unbelievable.

Fire Haley
11-05-2009, 05:23 PM
The shooter has a name

Suspected Gunman Is Identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938



Amish?

NJarhead
11-05-2009, 05:28 PM
The shooter has a name

Suspected Gunman Is Identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938



Amish?

MAJOR???????? :doh:

This story is getting crazier by the minute!

AllD
11-05-2009, 05:29 PM
Sounds like a martyr.

Dino 6 Rings
11-05-2009, 05:29 PM
The shooter has a name

Suspected Gunman Is Identified by ABC News as Major Malik Nadal Hasan

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938



Amish?

A Major? He'd have to have been in for a while to reach that rank...sleeper? upset over something he witnessed? recruited after the fact?

MACH1
11-05-2009, 05:34 PM
Said he was about to be deployed. Didn't want to go fight his own?

NJarhead
11-05-2009, 05:36 PM
Said he was about to be deployed. Didn't want to go fight his own?

Well, he can't use the "conscientious objector defense" now. So, either he was afraid or like you said, one of them. :mad:

Fire Haley
11-05-2009, 05:37 PM
Muslim convert. The Jihad is here.


Attacking a US military installation is an act of war.


Nuke Mecca - just to be sure.

Dino 6 Rings
11-05-2009, 05:40 PM
Nuke Mecca - just to be sure. Just a little extreme don't ya think?

At least include Demascus and Tehran if you're going to go all the way with it. And Medina as well.

hindes204
11-05-2009, 05:40 PM
Thats crazy, i was just there a few months ago on my way over here.....major?!?, thats alot of time in service, had to be in at least 6 years, and thats fast to be a major......just unbelievable

NJarhead
11-05-2009, 05:46 PM
Thats crazy, i was just there a few months ago on my way over here.....major?!?, thats alot of time in service, had to be in at least 6 years, and thats fast to be a major......just unbelievable

Never heard of a six year Major. Not to say they aren't out there, but they usually have closer to ten or more in.

Nadroj 20
11-05-2009, 05:48 PM
This is really horrible, i cant believe it......very sad

hindes204
11-05-2009, 05:59 PM
Never heard of a six year Major. Not to say they aren't out there, but they usually have closer to ten or more in.

you are correct......being enlisted i never cared when they made it....i just looked it up and it says they reach thier window for promotion at 10 yrs TIS.........my bad

Fire Haley
11-05-2009, 06:31 PM
Naturally

Shooting Suspect ID'd as Army Psychiatrist


A source tells CBS News investigative producer Len Tepper that Hasan is a licensed psychiatrist in Bethesda, Md. He is a drug and rehab specialist who got his Virginia psychiatry license July 12, 2005.

The official said Hasan, believed to be in his late 30s, was killed after opening fire at Fort Hood. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

According to the Army Times, Hasan promoted to Major, medical corps April 22, 2009.

The official says investigators are trying to determine if Hasan was his birth name, or if he changed his name and converted to the Islamic faith at some point in his life.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/05/national/main5540862.shtml

hindes204
11-05-2009, 07:01 PM
keeps getting weirder and weirder

SteelCityMan786
11-05-2009, 07:17 PM
Prayers to the families who lost loved ones while prayers go to those who were wounded and there families.

HometownGal
11-05-2009, 07:24 PM
Said he was about to be deployed. Didn't want to go fight his own?

When I heard his name, that was my first thought.

MACH1
11-05-2009, 08:14 PM
They let the two go and said to have another in custody for questioning.

This guy must of been a hell of a shot to hit over forty people with two 9mm's.

Fire Haley
11-05-2009, 09:20 PM
Leave it to the Brits to find the juicy bits

Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said last night.

Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military base in Texas, described angry confrontations between Maj Hasan and other officers after he expressed his views.

Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith.

The major was a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse problems.

"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.

"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Maj Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June.

Col Lee said that other officers had told him that Maj Hasan had said "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Time Square" in New York.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6511591/Fort-Hood-shooting-Nidal-Malik-Hasan-said-Muslims-should-rise-up.html

NJarhead
11-05-2009, 09:42 PM
Leave it to the Brits to find the juicy bits

Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said last night.

Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military base in Texas, described angry confrontations between Maj Hasan and other officers after he expressed his views.

Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith.

The major was a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse problems.

"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.

"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Maj Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June.

Col Lee said that other officers had told him that Maj Hasan had said "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Time Square" in New York.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6511591/Fort-Hood-shooting-Nidal-Malik-Hasan-said-Muslims-should-rise-up.html

Burn in hell you piece of shit! :mad:

hindes204
11-05-2009, 09:46 PM
Leave it to the Brits to find the juicy bits

Fort Hood shooting: Nidal Malik Hasan 'said Muslims should rise up'

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 11 people before being shot dead at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said last night.

Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military base in Texas, described angry confrontations between Maj Hasan and other officers after he expressed his views.

Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith.

The major was a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse problems.

"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.

"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Maj Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June.

Col Lee said that other officers had told him that Maj Hasan had said "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Time Square" in New York.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6511591/Fort-Hood-shooting-Nidal-Malik-Hasan-said-Muslims-should-rise-up.html




If all of that is true, then why the hell was he still a member of our armed forces. Was it too politically incorrect to say something, or question him. This revelation pisses me off...this is something that could have been prevented. Not that anybody knew he would do something this horrific, but questions should have been asked!!!

NJarhead
11-05-2009, 09:52 PM
If all of that is true, then why the hell was he still a member of our armed forces. Was it too politically incorrect to say something, or question him. This revelation pisses me off...this is something that could have been prevented. Not that anybody knew he would do something this horrific, but questions should have been asked!!!

You're right, but you know what would have happened then. Hint: Lawyers.....

Shea
11-05-2009, 09:57 PM
The press incorrectly reported that the shooter was killed. According to the recent news conference from the base, the guy is in the hospital and expected to fully recover.

HometownGal
11-05-2009, 10:04 PM
The press incorrectly reported that the shooter was killed. According to the recent news conference from the base, the guy is in the hospital and expected to fully recover.

CNN is reporting:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html

(CNN) -- A solider suspected of fatally shooting 12 and wounding 31 at Fort Hood in Texas on Thursday is not dead as previously reported, Army Lt. Gen. Robert Cone said Thursday evening.

A civilian officer who was wounded in the incident shot the suspect, who is "in custody and in stable condition," Cone told reporters.

"Preliminary reports indicate there was a single shooter that was shot multiple times at the scene," Cone said at a news conference. "However, he was not killed as previously reported."

The suspect, identified as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, opened fire at a military processing center at Fort Hood around 1:30 p.m., officials at the Army post said.

A graduate of Virginia Tech, Hasan is a psychiatrist who is licensed in Virginia and was practicing at Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood, according to professional records. Previously, he worked at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

A federal official said Hasan is a U.S. citizen of Jordanian descent. Military documents show that Hasan was born in Virginia, and was never deployed outside the United States.

Hasan was scheduled to be deployed to Iraq "and appeared to be upset about that," Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-Texas, said.

"I think that there is a lot of investigation going on now into his background and what he was doing that was not known before," Hutchison said.

At least 10 of the dead were soldiers, Cone said.

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The shooter had two weapons, both handguns, Cone said.

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Hutchison said she was told that the soldiers at the readiness facility "were filling out paper processing to go to Iraq or Afghanistan," according to CNN affiliate KXAN in Austin, Texas.

The readiness center is one of the last stops before soldiers deploy. It is also one of the first places a soldier goes upon returning to the United States.

The base reopened Thursday night after being under lockdown for more than five hours.

A witness in a building adjacent to where the shooting happened said soldiers were cutting up their uniforms into homemade bandages as the wounded were brought into the building.

"It was total chaos," the witness said.

A woman who lives on base, about eight blocks from the shooting, said she and her daughter were at home when her husband called and told them to stay inside.

"And I asked him why, what was going on. He said that there was a shooting," said the woman, Nicole, who asked that her last name not be used. She said her husband called her back about 20 minutes later and told her to go upstairs, stay away from doors and windows and keep the doors locked.

"It's just been crazy," she said. "Sirens everywhere."

A soldier who asked not to be identified told CNN that an e-mail went out to all base personnel instructing them not to speak to the media.

President Obama called the shootings "tragic" and "a horrific outburst of violence." He expressed his condolences for the shooting victims.

"These are men and women who have made the selfless and courageous decision to risk, and at times give, their lives to protect the rest of us on a daily basis," Obama said. "It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas. It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an Army base on American soil."

Scott & White Memorial Hospital in Temple, Texas, posted an online appeal for blood as it began receving victims. "Due to the recent events on Fort Hood, we are in URGENT need of ALL blood types," it said.

Fort Hood, with about 40,000 troops, is home to the Army's 1st Cavalry Division and elements of the 4th Infantry Division, as well as the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment and the 13th Corps Support Command. It is located near Killeen, Texas.

The headquarters unit and three brigades of the 1st Cavalry are currently deployed in Iraq.

At least 25,000 people are at Fort Hood on any given day, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon said.

Fort Hood is home to the Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program, which is designed to help soldiers overcome combat stress issues.

In June, Fort Hood's commander, Lt. Gen. Rick Lynch, told CNN that he was trying to ease the kind of stresses soldiers face. He has pushed for soldiers working a day schedule to return home for dinner by 6 p.m., and required his personal authorization for anyone working weekends. At the time, two soldiers stationed there had committed suicide in 2009 -- a rate well below those of other posts.

Nearby Killeen was the scene of one of the most deadly shootings in American history 18 years ago when George Hennard crashed his truck into a Luby's Cafeteria and began shooting, killing 23 people and wounding 20.

Hennard's spree lasted 14 minutes. He eventually took his own life.

tony hipchest
11-05-2009, 10:04 PM
stable condition. :shake01:

its a shame he's not toast. the chair cannot come soon enough for him. :mad:

NJarhead
11-05-2009, 10:07 PM
stable condition. :shake01:

its a shame he's not toast. the chair cannot come soon enough for him. :mad:

I'm kind of happy he made it. Let him lose his freedom first, then his life.

iloveben7
11-05-2009, 10:10 PM
this is so sad. What a sick thing to do.
I'll keep the victims and their families in my prayers

Preacher
11-05-2009, 10:27 PM
If all of that is true, then why the hell was he still a member of our armed forces. Was it too politically incorrect to say something, or question him. This revelation pisses me off...this is something that could have been prevented. Not that anybody knew he would do something this horrific, but questions should have been asked!!!

Exactly to your first line... however, it makes me think the article is a bit of sensationalism. Least I sure hope it was.

stable condition. :shake01:

its a shame he's not toast. the chair cannot come soon enough for him. :mad:

True, but that won't happen unfortunately.

UCMJ... Not civil law. No chair.

Any person subject to this chapter whom without justification or excuse, unlawfully kills a human being, when he- -

(1) has a premeditated design to kill;

(2) intends to kill or inflict great bodily harm;

(3) is engaged in an act which is inherently dangerous to others and evinces a wanton disregard of human life; or

(4) is engaged in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of burglary, sodomy, rape, robbery, or aggravated arson;

is guilty of murder, and shall suffer such punishment as a court-martial may direct, except that if found guilty under clause (1) or (4), he shall suffer death or imprisonment for life as a court-martial may direct. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj2.htm#918.%20ART.%20118.%20MURDER



Yeah... he WILL get the Death Penalty IMO, but sadly just like the regular system, it will take years,

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/20/military.execution/index.html

Personally, I think a firing squad is in order. Either that, or a hanging.

devilsdancefloor
11-05-2009, 10:36 PM
hanging id pay a silver dollar to the hang man to make him suffer. prayers and thoughts to all the families involved.

MasterOfPuppets
11-05-2009, 10:40 PM
oh great...now they get to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on a trial and a 20 yr prison stay before they execute him...IF they execute him. :doh: ....why they ever make prisoners out of these scumbags is beyond me... if they're not gonna torture the assclowns first, then kill them on the spot damn it !!!

Preacher
11-06-2009, 12:36 AM
oh great...now they get to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on a trial and a 20 yr prison stay before they execute him...IF they execute him. :doh: ....why they ever make prisoners out of these scumbags is beyond me... if they're not gonna torture the assclowns first, then kill them on the spot damn it !!!

Well, he will be in levenworth. So it isn't going to be the same as in a normal jail. But I understand what you're saying.


ALSO... I was wrong, the feds INVESTIGATED this guy 6 months ago :doh:

X-Terminator
11-06-2009, 01:32 AM
My condolences to the victims and their families in this horrible tragedy. As for the Muslim...Mom always told me if I didn't have anything good to say, to just not say anything, so I won't. Because what I have to say about that murderer would probably offend quite a few people.

Galax Steeler
11-06-2009, 05:15 AM
oh great...now they get to spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on a trial and a 20 yr prison stay before they execute him...IF they execute him. :doh: ....why they ever make prisoners out of these scumbags is beyond me... if they're not gonna torture the assclowns first, then kill them on the spot damn it !!!

Agreed he should not even make it to prison. He is a idiot and needs to be taken out of society.

Preacher
11-06-2009, 05:20 AM
Don't we have a place for him over in Gitmo?

Fire Haley
11-06-2009, 12:25 PM
"Allahu Akbar": Hasan's Words as He Fired?

Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" as he fired on his fellow soldiers, the base commander said Friday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/06/earlyshow/main5549394.shtml

Fire Haley
11-06-2009, 12:27 PM
Here we go - the victimization of the poor Muslim begins


Suspect Was ‘Mortified’ About Deployment

NY Times
By JAMES DAO


WASHINGTON — Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.

But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., began having second thoughts about a military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.

He had also more recently expressed deep concerns about being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. Having counseled scores of returning soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder, first at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and more recently at Fort Hood, he knew all too well the terrifying realities of war, said a cousin, Nader Hasan.

“He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy,” Mr. Hasan said. “He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06suspect.html?_r=3&hp

7SteelGal43
11-06-2009, 12:42 PM
From what I understand, he was indeed a natural born American who converted to the Muslim faith. This may not be politically correct, but then, I frankly don't give a shit. I think any U.S. Military person who converts to ISLAM should be kicked out of the armed forces. No questions asked. He even changed his name for F's sake. Get a clue people.

SCSTILLER
11-06-2009, 12:43 PM
Here we go - the victimization of the poor Muslim begins


Suspect Was ‘Mortified’ About Deployment

NY Times
By JAMES DAO


WASHINGTON — Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.

But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., began having second thoughts about a military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.

He had also more recently expressed deep concerns about being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. Having counseled scores of returning soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder, first at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and more recently at Fort Hood, he knew all too well the terrifying realities of war, said a cousin, Nader Hasan.

“He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy,” Mr. Hasan said. “He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06suspect.html?_r=3&hp

The horror's of war! This guy is a psychiatrist, he wouldn't see the war. He would be in the Base hospital or clinic helping out soldiers and talking to them, just like he was doing. What a cop out. He wouldn't be doing patrols, manning a post, assaulting a cave, he would have a desk over there.

Also, this "I was harassed so therefore I am going to shoot up a base" ploy is total BS. The military has avenues and agencies that deal with racial and sexual misconduct (in the USAF it is called MEO, Military Equal Oportunity), you go to the MEO and tell them you are bein harassed based on your race, sex, religion, etc., INVESTIGATION!!!!!!! The people that were harassing them would be delt with accordingly and would have a black mark on their service record. This guy new that, he was a major for crying out loud.

Have fun in Leavenworth you POS

MACH1
11-06-2009, 01:28 PM
From what I understand, he was indeed a natural born American who converted to the Muslim faith. This may not be politically correct, but then, I frankly don't give a shit. I think any U.S. Military person who converts to ISLAM should be kicked out of the armed forces. No questions asked. He even changed his name for F's sake. Get a clue people.

From what I've heard, he's been a muslim all his life.

Gitmo would be to kind!

NJarhead
11-06-2009, 01:30 PM
Here we go - the victimization of the poor Muslim begins


Suspect Was ‘Mortified’ About Deployment

NY Times
By JAMES DAO


WASHINGTON — Born and reared in Virginia, the son of immigrant parents from a small Palestinian town near Jerusalem, he joined the Army right out of high school, against his parents’ wishes. The Army, in turn, put him through college and then medical school, where he trained to be a psychiatrist.

But Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, the 39-year-old man accused of Thursday’s mass shooting at Fort Hood, Tex., began having second thoughts about a military career a few years ago after other soldiers harassed him for being a Muslim, he told relatives in Virginia.

He had also more recently expressed deep concerns about being sent to Iraq or Afghanistan. Having counseled scores of returning soldiers with post-traumatic stress disorder, first at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington and more recently at Fort Hood, he knew all too well the terrifying realities of war, said a cousin, Nader Hasan.

“He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy,” Mr. Hasan said. “He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/06/us/06suspect.html?_r=3&hp

He could have refused to go and faced the consequences. Instead he chose to murder people. Screw him. :banging:

hindes204
11-06-2009, 01:39 PM
@#$% him....i dont give a @#$% how much the POS was harrassed......get the @#$% out of the military then....i dont care what excuses this guy has......he was harrassed, he was afraid of war, he didnt want to be in the army.......@#$% you.....how dare you join the military and then use your position to gain access to a military base, and open fire on inoccent soldiers who were willing to give up thier lives to protect the very freedoms you enjoy..........i hope you rot in hell

SCSTILLER
11-06-2009, 01:44 PM
:iagree:

Indo
11-06-2009, 02:08 PM
I don't have any real info on the following, but it is an educated guess:

I am wondering the true sequence of events relating to when he "joined" the Army, and when he decided to go to medical school.

Every student in Med school can opt to join the Army (or Navy or Air Force)...
Here's how it works
I get into med school and quickly realize just how effing expensive it is---very difficult to pay for...so I have several options:
--Pay out of pocket (yeah, right...as long as Ted Turner's your dad)
--Get really into debt by taking out student loans---welcome to "we Own you" for 30 years (this was, BTW, my personal choice)
--Or speak to the ever-present military recruiter who hangs around the Student Office offering salvation from all that potential debt. That's right, folks, the Army (and other branches) will pay for John Doe to go to Medical School. But there's a catch (isn't there always a catch?!). They pay your med school tuition; but for every year they pay, you owe them 1 or 2 years in return. They pay for 4, you owe them either 4 or 8 (depending on the program).

You finish med school as a Captain (and can rapidly advance to Major----for those of you who are wondering how he got his oak-leaf clusters so fast)
In these programs, you do some very basic Basic Training. You certainly don't go to much Officer training---
The program is good for the doctor (most of the time) because Med school is "free". And it's good for the military because they get their doctors.
But the Army is still the Army. I know a guy who did this program in the late '90s. He wanted to do extra surgical training in Critical Care at the end of his Surgery Residency. He applied for a program and was all set to go and the Army said, "No. We need you here (can't remember where) as a GMO (General Medical Officer---please, military people correct me if I'm wrong on that one) and refused to let him do the extra critical care training.
On the other hand, I have another friend (female) who did the program and was deployed to Iraq as a Major and was the Base Commander of a M.A.S.H. unit---we called her "Hot Lips" Houlihan!---she loved the experience that she gained as a surgeon.

So, to answer some of the questions-----
I'm guessing he did this program and that's why he's a Major.
The Army didn't get rid of him because they spent a lot of money funding his medical education

Just guesses....but that's my 2 cents


Finally,
I f this whack-job is capable of doing this, what does Obama think the terrorists who blew up the U.S.S. Cole (you know, the ones he set free) are capable of doing?

Did everyone hear about the 6 people (or was it 5?) who are in their 60s and 80s, who broke into a Nuc. Submarine installation just to prove how bad the security is there? So much for Military Security, much less Homeland Security

43Hitman
11-06-2009, 04:24 PM
Look at this little diddy. It really chapped my ass yesterday, and I am glad that someone not Fox freaking noticed.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

news politics
Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting
A bad week for Democrats compounded by an awful moment for Barack Obama.
By ROBERT A. GEORGE
Updated 2:56 PM CST, Fri, Nov 6, 2009





President Obama didn't wait long after Tuesday's devastating elections to give critics another reason to question his leadership, but this time the subject matter was more grim than a pair of governorships.

After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m., cable stations went to the president. The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.

But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner." Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?

Anyone at home aware of the major news story of the previous hours had to have been stunned. An incident like this requires a scrapping of the early light banter. The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That's the least that should occur.


Indeed, an argument could be made that Obama should have canceled the Indian event, out of respect for people having been murdered at an Army post a few hours before. That would have prevented any sort of jarring emotional switch at the event.

Did the president's team not realize what sort of image they were presenting to the country at this moment? The disconnect between what Americans at home knew had been going on -- and the initial words coming out of their president's mouth was jolting, if not disturbing.

It must have been disappointing for many politically aware Democrats, still reeling from the election two days before. The New Jersey gubernatorial vote had already demonstrated that the president and his political team couldn't produce a winning outcome in a state very friendly to Democrats (and where the president won by 15 points one year ago). And now this? Congressional Democrats must wonder if a White House that has burdened them with a too-heavy policy agenda over the last year has a strong enough political operation to help push that agenda through.

If the president's communications apparatus can't inform -- and protect -- their boss during tense moments when the country needs to see a focused commander-in-chief and a compassionate head of state, it has disastrous consequences for that president's party and supporters.

All the president's men (and women) fell down on the job Thursday. And Democrats across the country have real reason to panic.
:upyours: Obama

hindes204
11-06-2009, 04:47 PM
Look at this little diddy. It really chapped my ass yesterday, and I am glad that someone not Fox freaking noticed.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

news politics
Obama's Frightening Insensitivity Following Shooting
A bad week for Democrats compounded by an awful moment for Barack Obama.
By ROBERT A. GEORGE
Updated 2:56 PM CST, Fri, Nov 6, 2009





President Obama didn't wait long after Tuesday's devastating elections to give critics another reason to question his leadership, but this time the subject matter was more grim than a pair of governorships.

After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m., cable stations went to the president. The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.

But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner." Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?

Anyone at home aware of the major news story of the previous hours had to have been stunned. An incident like this requires a scrapping of the early light banter. The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That's the least that should occur.


Indeed, an argument could be made that Obama should have canceled the Indian event, out of respect for people having been murdered at an Army post a few hours before. That would have prevented any sort of jarring emotional switch at the event.

Did the president's team not realize what sort of image they were presenting to the country at this moment? The disconnect between what Americans at home knew had been going on -- and the initial words coming out of their president's mouth was jolting, if not disturbing.

It must have been disappointing for many politically aware Democrats, still reeling from the election two days before. The New Jersey gubernatorial vote had already demonstrated that the president and his political team couldn't produce a winning outcome in a state very friendly to Democrats (and where the president won by 15 points one year ago). And now this? Congressional Democrats must wonder if a White House that has burdened them with a too-heavy policy agenda over the last year has a strong enough political operation to help push that agenda through.

If the president's communications apparatus can't inform -- and protect -- their boss during tense moments when the country needs to see a focused commander-in-chief and a compassionate head of state, it has disastrous consequences for that president's party and supporters.

All the president's men (and women) fell down on the job Thursday. And Democrats across the country have real reason to panic.
:upyours: Obama


wow....and thats coming from NBC....in CHICAGO!!!!......not good for Pres. Obama

MACH1
11-06-2009, 04:54 PM
I noticed that to. Even our troops under attack at home aren't as important as his obaamacare.

Dino 6 Rings
11-06-2009, 05:20 PM
"Allahu Akbar": Hasan's Words as He Fired?

Soldiers who witnessed the shooting rampage at Fort Hood that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" as he fired on his fellow soldiers, the base commander said Friday.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/06/earlyshow/main5549394.shtml

Well...what else would he yell? I love Jesus?

AllD
11-06-2009, 05:29 PM
Sounds like the lite version of Bobby Kennedy's assignation.

Somebody in command dropped the friggen ball again. FYI morons, if there is ever a Captain Charles Manson, you better friggen double-check.

The muslims are doing it to themselves and they wonder why they get so much bad press.

steelwalls
11-06-2009, 07:57 PM
I pray for the families affected by this cowardly and despicable act. Give me 2 minutes with this guy, 2 minutes is all I ask.

The Patriot
11-06-2009, 08:37 PM
Though I believe every religion has its share of crazies and ass holes, it's apparent that Islam has the most problems, and I think it's because the religion contains certain language that can justify murder (for a very small percentage of crazies), while something like Christianity makes the sin abundantly clear.

I hope this asshole doesn't renew a resentment for Americans of middle eastern descent.

NJarhead
11-06-2009, 08:50 PM
Though I believe every religion has its share of crazies and ass holes, it's apparent that Islam has the most problems, and I think it's because the religion contains certain language that can justify murder (for a very small percentage of crazies), while something like Christianity makes the sin abundantly clear.

I hope this asshole doesn't renew a resentment for Americans of middle eastern descent.

That's why there needs to be no more publicity about him. Just let him disappear.

*cough*Yanks*cough*

Fire Haley
11-06-2009, 09:00 PM
"She ran toward him, continuing to fire."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1106/csmimg/KIMBERLEY_P1.jpg

KILLEEN, Texas — The police officer who brought down a gunman after he went on a shooting rampage at the Fort Hood Army base was on the way to have her car repaired when she heard a report over a police radio that someone was shooting people in a center where soldiers are processed before they are deployed abroad, authorities said on Friday.

As she pulled up to the center, the officer, Kimberly Munley, spotted the gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, brandishing a pistol and chasing a wounded soldier outside the building, said Chuck Medley, the director of emergency services at the base.

Sergeant Munley bolted from her car and shot at Major Hasan. He turned toward her and began to fire. She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and the gunmen went down with several bullet wounds, Mr. Medley said.

She received two wounds in each thigh and one to her right wrist. The base’s fire chief applied torniquets to stop her bleeding, and she was taken to a hospital that the officials did not identify, where she was reported in stable condition on Tuesday

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html?_r=1

HometownGal
11-06-2009, 09:02 PM
I don't give a flying shit how much flack I get for saying this so I'm going to say it anyway.

I don't trust Muslims - ANY Muslim - and I have loathed them since 911. I don't want to hear the "well one bad Muslim doesn't make 'em all bad" :bs: bleeding heart sob story. They hate Christian Americans and will take us out one by one if continuously being given the opportunity to do so.

PANIC? HELL NO.

ANGER and DISGUST - DAMNED STRAIGHT. :mad : :mad:

Vincent
11-06-2009, 09:04 PM
The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.

But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner." Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?

The roach from Little Rock was astute enough to use the OC bombing as his personal catapult from the disastrous 1994 election to become "the mourner in chief". Anybody dispute that that posture saved his administration?

All the current occupant of the White House had to do was flash his "trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective" to effectively erase the set back of Tuesday. But he again betrayed himself to be what he is.

Any American would be outraged by such an event. Any American president would seize the moment to rally the troops and the nation. No donkey president would allow such a crisis to be wasted. But bho doesn't give a @#$% about me and you. And apparently he doesn't take his station seriously enough to display any concern for the country.

If it quacks like a @#$%ing duck, its a @#$%ing duck.

I hope this asshole doesn't renew a resentment for Americans of middle eastern descent.

Of course not.

There isn't anything any muslim could say or do that would alter my opinion of islam and muslims. islam is satanic. They demonstrate that with their every act.

I don't trust Muslims - ANY Muslim - and I have loathed them since 911. I don't want to hear the "well one bad Muslim doesn't make 'em all bad" :bs: bleeding heart sob story. They hate Christian Americans and will take us out one by one if continuously being given the opportunity to do so.

We had a "green light" of world opinion and sympathy to "do the right thing" on the morning of 9/12/2001 and allowed it to pass. Had we taken that opportunity, we wouldn't be dealing with islamobull@#$% today. And we damn sure wouldn't have a @#$%ing muslim in the White House.

NJarhead
11-06-2009, 09:17 PM
I don't give a flying shit how much flack I get for saying this so I'm going to say it anyway.

I don't trust Muslims - ANY Muslim - and I have loathed them since 911. I don't want to hear the "well one bad Muslim doesn't make 'em all bad" :bs: bleeding heart sob story. They hate Christian Americans and will take us out one by one if continuously being given the opportunity to do so.

PANIC? HELL NO.

ANGER and DISGUST - DAMNED STRAIGHT. :mad : :mad:

I'm still struggling with this issue HTG (trying not to paint them all with the same brush). But I could hardly blame you.

I think that you nailed it with the "take us out one-by-one" part.

What kind of a world are our grand-kids going to live in when they are our age? Friggin Scary!

tony hipchest
11-06-2009, 09:22 PM
That's why there needs to be no more publicity about him. Just let him disappear.

*cough*Yanks*cough*someone earlier in this thread commented how it was good that he lives so that he could have his freedom taken away before his life.

this is where i disagree. to give him life is to allow him the opportunity to have a voice.

IMO the only voice he deserves is the sound of his bowels spilling into his drawers at the gallows.

i dont need to hear any excuses he may offer and i most certainly hate to see taxpayer dollars paid for their availability.

NJarhead
11-06-2009, 09:29 PM
someone earlier in this thread commented how it was good that he lives so that he could have his freedom taken away before his life.

this is where i disagree. to give him life is to allow him the opportunity to have a voice.

IMO the only voice he deserves is the sound of his bowels spilling into his drawers at the gallows.

i dont need to hear any excuses he may offer and i most certainly hate to see taxpayer dollars paid for their availability.

That was me.

I hear ya loud and cleat Tone, and whether or not you realize it; we agree that we want this POS to suffer. We just have different ideas about what ideal suffering is. :chuckle: ....and I like your style.

:drink:

Although, I think his bowels should spill in a more Hannibal Lector fashion. And remember, I said NO PUBLICITY, so you shouldn't "hear" or read anything.

steelwalls
11-06-2009, 11:42 PM
"She ran toward him, continuing to fire."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1106/csmimg/KIMBERLEY_P1.jpg

KILLEEN, Texas — The police officer who brought down a gunman after he went on a shooting rampage at the Fort Hood Army base was on the way to have her car repaired when she heard a report over a police radio that someone was shooting people in a center where soldiers are processed before they are deployed abroad, authorities said on Friday.

As she pulled up to the center, the officer, Kimberly Munley, spotted the gunman, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, brandishing a pistol and chasing a wounded soldier outside the building, said Chuck Medley, the director of emergency services at the base.

Sergeant Munley bolted from her car and shot at Major Hasan. He turned toward her and began to fire. She ran toward him, continuing to fire, and both she and the gunmen went down with several bullet wounds, Mr. Medley said.

She received two wounds in each thigh and one to her right wrist. The base’s fire chief applied torniquets to stop her bleeding, and she was taken to a hospital that the officials did not identify, where she was reported in stable condition on Tuesday

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07police.html?_r=1

Now this isa true hero here, thanks for posting that Killer. :drink: running toward someone who is shooting back at you takes some serious gutts.. I know..trust me, this woman should recieve the highest award.

tony hipchest
11-07-2009, 01:31 AM
That was me.

.

i know. :wink02:

i just hate the thought of this guy being granted an interview (or time in court) and given the opportunity to try and justify his actions.

MasterOfPuppets
11-07-2009, 01:40 AM
someone earlier in this thread commented how it was good that he lives so that he could have his freedom taken away before his life.

this is where i disagree. to give him life is to allow him the opportunity to have a voice.

IMO the only voice he deserves is the sound of his bowels spilling into his drawers at the gallows.

i dont need to hear any excuses he may offer and i most certainly hate to see taxpayer dollars paid for their availability.
i agree 100% ... i'm never for taking prisoners in cases that involve murder or rape. if it were up to me, none of those prisoners would be in gitmo. if you've got strong enough reason to fly them across the world, then you got enough reason to question them and execute them on the spot. a dead dirtbag doesn't cost taxpayers money, and will never cause any more problems... :thumbsup:

now they get to spend money nursing him back to health...spend money on a trial...spend money on incarceration....spend money on an execution ( if they do)...what do you think that'll cost us ???

Steeldude
11-07-2009, 01:41 AM
when i first saw the headline i figured it would be a muslim.

since society is so politically correct(gutless) nowadays this type of incident will happen again and again and again...

steelwalls
11-07-2009, 01:48 AM
i agree 100% ... i'm never for taking prisoners in cases that involve murder or rape. if it were up to me, none of those prisoners would be in gitmo. if you've got strong enough reason to fly them across the world, then you got enough reason to question them and execute them on the spot. a dead dirtbag doesn't cost taxpayers money, and will never cause any more problems... :thumbsup:

now they get to spend money nursing him back to health...spend money on a trial...spend money on incarceration....spend money on an execution ( if they do)...what do you think that'll cost us ???


Costs us money we do not have, costs us vaccinations which we are low on, and makes us lose face. If these are the worst of the worst, then there is no reason to treat them better than they have treated our soilders and civilians....like saying 2+2 = 5.....makes absolutly no sence....:banging:

lamberts-lost-tooth
11-07-2009, 05:04 AM
when i first saw the headline i figured it would be a muslim.

since society is so politically correct(gutless) nowadays this type of incident will happen again and again and again...

Though some may indeed think your remarks are politically incorrect, you are right on the mark.

Steeldude
11-07-2009, 08:37 AM
it's like that saying "not every muslim is a terrorist, but every terrorist is a muslim".

Vincent
11-07-2009, 10:23 AM
Really? This from one of the "imams" at the mosque hasan "prayed" at regularly.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.4302994757b171bec8635f48ee413c9 1.781&show_article=1

'Islam not responsible' for Fort Hood massacre: US imam
Nov 6 03:37 PM US/Eastern

Islam is "not responsible" for the bloodbath at an army base in Texas where Muslim-American army Major Nidal Malik Hasan allegedly gunned down 13 people, the prayer leader at the mosque where the officer regularly worshipped said Friday.

Blah, blah, blah....

"Islam is not responsible," he stressed.

Blah, blah, blah....

"Islam doesn't command anybody to do something like that," said Shaikh Khamis, who has prayed at the Silver Spring Muslim Community Center mosque for 11 years.

Blah, blah, blah....

"Everybody knows this is not a place for fanatics," said Qadri. "We don't encourage that sort of thing."

__________________________________________________ _______________

Be that as it @#$%ing may. Your damned "book" does "encourage that sort of thing"....

KORAN commands to kill infidels:

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.

..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43

If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8

You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71

Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76

But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89

Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14

O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54

Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39

O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65

It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28

Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.

Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73

Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111

Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....

As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15

Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60

Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14

When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.

Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5

Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25

Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29

Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9

The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51

Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

TackleMeBen
11-07-2009, 10:52 AM
Call this horror by its rightful name: Islamist terror

By Col. Ralph Peters

On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim U.S. Army officer shouting, "Allahu akbar!" ("God is great!") committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11.

... and no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are.

Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Fort Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did, and the media treat it like a case of nondenominational shoplifting.

This was a terrorist act.

When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it's an act of terror. Period.

When the terrorist posts anti-American hate speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers using his own name; loudly criticizes U.S. policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as Palestinian in a Muslim spouse-matching program and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit -- well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an "Islamist terrorist."

But the president won't.

Despite his promise to get to all the facts. Because there's no such thing as "Islamist terrorism" in ObamaWorld.

And the Army won't.

Because its senior leaders are so sick with political correctness that pandering to America haters is safer than calling terrorism "terrorism."

And the media won't.

Because they have more interest in the shooter than in our troops -- despite their crocodile tears.

Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan planned this terrorist attack and executed it in cold blood.

The resulting massacre was the first tragedy.

The second was that he wasn't killed on the spot.

Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills.

Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming "harassment" drove him temporarily insane.

There'll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn't dare pursue or carry out the death penalty.

Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here.

While U.S. Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately, and he'll have the last laugh.

But Hasan isn't the sole guilty party.

The U.S. Army's unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Fort Hood.

Given the myriad warning signs, it's appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn U.S. policy.

But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.

Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would've been gone with the simoom. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities.

Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. At least 38 people were wounded, 28 of them seriously.

If heads don't roll in this maggot's chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.

There's another important issue, too.

How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war?

An Islamist wacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who've been assigned to his care?

And he's not removed from duty?

What planet does the Army live on?

For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I'm ashamed of its dereliction of duty.

The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him.

Get ready for the apologists.

We've already heard from the terrorist's family that "He's a Good American."

In their world, maybe he is.

But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense?

A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Recently?

An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit.

A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station.

A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife.

A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she's becoming too Westernized.

Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again.

And we're assured that "Islam's a religion of peace."

I guarantee you the Obama administration's nonresponse to the Fort Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.

Vincent
11-07-2009, 11:40 AM
Call this horror by its rightful name: Islamist terror

By Col. Ralph Peters

On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim U.S. Army officer shouting, "Allahu akbar!" ("God is great!") committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11.

... and no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam.

What cowards we are.

I guarantee you the Obama administration's nonresponse to the Fort Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead.

Thank you for posting this TackleMeBen!! This is the only sane commentary I've seen on this horror.

Call it what it is - a terror committed by yet another @#$%ing muslim. Every one of them is another horror looking for a place to happen.

WHY is that POS still breathing?

TackleMeBen
11-07-2009, 11:50 AM
Thank you for posting this TackleMeBen!! This is the only sane commentary I've seen on this horror.

Call it what it is - a terror committed by yet another @#$%ing muslim. Every one of them is another horror looking for a place to happen.

WHY is that POS still breathing?
b/c the gov doesnt have the balls to have someone go in there and kill him off.

so instead he will be tried and convicted and live in prison, off of AMERICAN taxpayers money and have a dandy life.

what a very sad country we have become when we cant even protect those protecting us.

Steelboy84
11-07-2009, 12:26 PM
Seems like these days, bad news is the only thing on television.

Steelboy84
11-07-2009, 12:29 PM
From what I understand, he was indeed a natural born American who converted to the Muslim faith. This may not be politically correct, but then, I frankly don't give a shit. I think any U.S. Military person who converts to ISLAM should be kicked out of the armed forces. No questions asked. He even changed his name for F's sake. Get a clue people.

They'd be begging for a lawsuit.

Steelboy84
11-07-2009, 12:32 PM
Him being a psychiatrist makes this even crazier.

Christian Snyder
11-07-2009, 12:58 PM
Prayers sent out to the families of the dead and wounded.

TackleMeBen
11-07-2009, 12:58 PM
Originally Posted by 7SteelGal43 http://forums.steelersfever.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?p=694605#post694605)
From what I understand, he was indeed a natural born American who converted to the Muslim faith. This may not be politically correct, but then, I frankly don't give a shit. I think any U.S. Military person who converts to ISLAM should be kicked out of the armed forces. No questions asked. He even changed his name for F's sake. Get a clue people.

They'd be begging for a lawsuit.
although i agree with SteelGal, i have to side with Steelboy, that would be something the ACLU would be allover in less than a second.

Steelboy84
11-07-2009, 08:46 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.shootings.victims/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Here's the article. All of this is so sad, but this is what really caught my eye.


Francheska Velez, Chicago, Illinois

Francheska Velez, 21, lived the dream her father never realized.

Velez enlisted three years ago, an act her father Juan Guillermo Velez always wanted to accomplish, he told CNN affiliate WGBO. He encouraged his three-months pregnant daughter to stick with the military after she gave birth.

"My advice to her was to continue with her career in the military after she had her child," he told WGBO. "Then she would tell me, 'Daddy,' always with a smile on her face, which I will never forget, 'I will continue with my military career.' That was a dream that she made happen for me."

Francheska Velez had recently returned from Iraq and was transferred to Fort Hood last week because she was pregnant, her father said.

In the wake of his loss, Juan Velez struggled to comprehend why.

"It's a very difficult slap because you understand if it was terrorists or if it happened over there during the war. What hurts the most is that one of her own killed her and in her own house, the base where there should have been security."



What do you think will happen to Major Nidal Malik Hasan?

Steelboy84
11-07-2009, 08:49 PM
And apparently, they already knew things about this man.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fort-hood-hasan7-2009nov07,0,3477020,print.story

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jwXtdoKPsNJg9PPKF7708ZC4N56AD9BPNHDO6


Do you think he'll get the death penalty? In my opinion, he won't get anything less.

Galax Steeler
11-08-2009, 06:41 AM
Do you think he'll get the death penalty? In my opinion, he won't get anything less.

I think just about everyone would love to see him get it but you know how the system is he will probably plead insane.:banging:

Vincent
11-08-2009, 06:53 AM
What a surprise. But let us heed the wise words of our "leader" and not jump to any conclusions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6521758/Fort-Hood-shooting-Texas-army-killer-linked-to-September-11-terrorists.html

Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists
Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

By Philip Sherwell and Alex Spillius
Published: 8:17PM GMT 07 Nov 2009

Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.

The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree.

As investigators look at Hasan's motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.

Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.

Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an "al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers... who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen".

Last night Hasan remained in a coma under guard at a military hospital in San Antonio, Texas, and was said to be in a "stable" condition. Born in America to a Palestinian family, Hasan, 39, was an army psychiatrist who had chosen to sign up for the US military against his parents' wishes.

But he turned into an angry critic of the wars America was waging in Iraq and Afghanistan and had tried in vain to negotiate his discharge.

He counselled soldiers returning from the front line and told relatives that he was horrified at the prospect of a deployment to Afghanistan later this year – his first time in a combat zone.

Whether due to his personal convictions, his stress over his deployment or other reasons, Hasan is alleged to have snapped and gone on a murderous rampage with a powerful semi-automatic handgun after shouting "Allahu Akhbar" ("God is great"), according to survivors. He had earlier given away copies of the Koran to neighbours.

Investigators at this stage have no indication that he planned the attacks with anyone else. But they are trawling through his phone records, paperwork and computers he used before the attack during an apparently sleepless night.

Five of the 13 victims were fellow mental health professionals from three units of the army's Combat Stress Control Detachment, it was disclosed yesterday.

It is understood that Hasan had been due to be deployed with members of those units in coming months. Whether he deliberately singled out other combat stress counsellors is another key question.

What does seem clear is that the army missed an increasing number of red flags that Hasan was a troubled and brooding individual within its ranks.

"I was shocked but not surprised by news of Thursday's attack," said Dr Val Finnell, a fellow student on a public health course in 2007-08 who heard Hasan equate the war on terrorism to a war on Islam. Another student had warned military officials that Hasan was a "ticking time bomb" after he reportedly gave a presentation defending suicide bombers.

Kamran Pasha, the author of Mother of the Believers, a new novel relating the story of Islam from the perspective of Aisha, Prophet Mohammed's wife, was told of the al-Awlaki connection from a Muslim friend who is also an officer at Fort Hood. Using the name Richard, the recent convert to Islam described how he frequently prayed with Hasan at the town mosque after Hasan was deployed to Fort Hood in July. They last worshipped together at predawn prayers on the day of the massacre when Hasan "appeared relaxed and not in any way troubled or nervous".

But Richard had previously argued with Hasan when he said that he felt the "war on terror" was really a war against Islam, expressed anti-Jewish sentiments and defended suicide bombings.

"I asked Richard whether he believed that Hasan was motivated by religious radicalism in his murderous actions," Mr Pasha said.

"Richard, with great sadness, said that he believed this was true. He also believed that psychological factors from Hasan's job as an army psychiatrist added to his pathos. The news that he would be deployed overseas, to a war that he rejected, may have pushed him over the edge.

"But Richard does not excuse Hasan. As a Muslim, he finds Hasan's religious perspectives to be fundamentally misguided. And as a soldier, he finds Hasan's actions cowardly and evil."

Fellow Muslims in the US armed forces have also been quick to denounce Hasan's actions and insist that they were the product of a lone individual rather than of Islamic teachings. Osman Danquah, the co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, said Hasan never expressed anger toward the army or indicated any plans for violence.

But he said that, at their second meeting, Hasan seemed almost incoherent.

"I told him, 'There's something wrong with you'. I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."

He was sufficiently troubled that he recommended the centre reject Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at Fort Hood.

Hasan had, in fact, already come to the attention of the authorities before Thursday's massacre. He was suspected of being the author of internet postings that compared suicide bombers with soldiers who throw themselves on grenades to save others and had also reportedly been warned about proselytising to patients.

At Fort Hood, he told a colleague, Col Terry Lee, that he believed Muslims should rise up against American "aggressors". He made no attempt to hide his desire to end his military service early or his mortification at the prospect of deployment to Afghanistan. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there," said his cousin, Nader Hasan.

Yet away from his strident attacks on US foreign policy, he came across as subdued and reclusive – not hostile or threatening. Soldiers he counselled at the Walter Reed hospital in Washington praised him, while at Fort Hood, Kimberly Kesling, the deputy commander of clinical services, remarked: "Up to this point, I would consider him an asset."

Relatives said that the death of Hasan's parents, in 1998 and 2001, turned him more devout. "After he lost his parents he tried to replace their love by reading a lot of books, including the Koran," his uncle Rafiq Hamad said.

"He didn't have a girlfriend, he didn't dance, he didn't go to bars."

His failed search for a wife seemed to haunt Hasan. At the Muslim Community Centre in the Washington suburb of Silver Spring, he signed up for an Islamic matchmaking service, specifying that he wanted a bride who wore the hijab and prayed five times a day.

Adnan Haider, a retired professor of statistics, recalled how at their first meeting last year, a casual introduction after Friday prayers, Hasan immediately asked the academic if he knew "a nice Muslim girl" he could marry.

"It was a strange thing to ask someone you have met two seconds before. It was clear to me he was under pressure, you could just see it in his face," said Prof Haider, 74, who used to work at Georgetown University in Washington. "You could see he was lonely and didn't have friends.

"He is working with psychiatric people and I ask why the people around him didn't spot that something was wrong? When I heard what had happened I actually wasn't that surprised."

Indeed, many of the characteristics attributed to Hasan by acquaintances – withdrawn, unassuming, brooding, socially awkward and never known to have had a girlfriend – have also applied to other mass murderers.

Hasan was born and brought up in Virginia to parents who ran restaurants after emigrating to America from the West Bank. He graduated from Virginia Tech university – coincidentally, the scene of the worst mass shooting in US history in 2007 – with a degree in biochemistry and then joined the army, which trained him as a psychiatrist.

Relatives said that he was subjected to increasingly ugly taunts about his religion and ethnicity from other soldiers after the September 11 attacks. But his uncle insisted yesterday that Hasan would not have been driven to mass murder by revenge or religion.

Speaking in the West Bank town of al-Bireh, Mr Hamad said his nephew "loved America" and could only have been caused to snap by an as yet unexplained factor. "He always said there was no country in the world like America," he told The Sunday Telegraph. "Something big happened to him in Texas. If he did it – and until now I am in denial – it had to have been something huge because revenge was not in his nature."

Vincent
11-08-2009, 07:14 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6519392/Fort-Hood-shootings-gunman-used-cop-killer-weapon-in-massacre-at-US-Army-base.html

Fort Hood shootings: gunman used 'cop killer' weapon in massacre at US Army base
The US Army major who carried out the Fort Hood massacre sprayed more than 100 rounds at his comrades using a gun nicknamed the "cop killer.

By Nick Allen in Fort Hood, Texas
Published: 11:22AM GMT 07 Nov 2009

Major Nidal Malik Hasan, 39, used an FN Five-Seven, a semi-automatic pistol popular with SWAT teams, that can fire armour-piercing bullets.

A total of 13 people died in the bloodbath at the Texas military base and 38 were wounded.

Hasan had bought the weapon legally at a gun store close to Fort Hood in August and practiced at a nearby shooting range.

During the attack he also carried a Smith & Wesson .357-calibre revolver but it was not clear if he used it.

The killing spree only ended when Hasan was shot and seriously wounded by two police officers, Sgt Kim Munley, who was herself shot in the thighs and wrist, and her partner Sgt Mark Todd.

Article continues.

Interesting choice of weapon. Not a "casual" selection. Wonder who made the call.

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/fn_fiveseven_usg.jpg

http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/fiveseven.htm

The "Five-seveN" Self-loading Pistol was designed by Belgium company Fabrique Nationale (FN). Pistol was publicly presented in 1996. "Five-seveN" is chambered for the new perspective 5.7 x 28 mm (SS190) intermediate cartridge developed by Fabrique Nationale. The SS190 is already used with the FN P-90 Submachine Gun.

This cartridge was developed to fit a Personal Defense Weapon (PDW) conception. Mainly it features assault rifle cartridge's combat abilities and penetration, within pistol cartridge's barrel pressure and recoil power. It was published that the SS190 penetrates 48 layers of kevlar in 200 m range, fired from the P-90 submachine gun. In 150 m range bullet proofs standard US Army helmet and defeats target covered by it. Cartridge recoil power is threefold lower than the standard NATO 5.56 x 45 mm (.223 Rem) cartridges.

Blah, blah, blah...

To sum it up "Fabrique Nationale" engineers designed a self-loading pistol with a really impressive bullet armor-piercing and penetration abilities almost equal to an ordinary assault or automatic rifle abilities in a short range distances. The "Five-seveN" became the first Personal Defense Weapon requirements fitting pistol.

.... Extremely high penetration effect and long range of effective fire. Powerful cartridge and also light cartridges weight. High magazine capacity and high practical rate of fire as well. No manual safeties. Quiet comfortable handling for a two row magazine. Compatible with a sound suppressor.

Vincent
11-08-2009, 07:44 AM
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115325

Muslims: 'America's chickens have come home to roost'
U.S. Islamic street preachers declare Fort Hood victims got just deserts

Posted: November 06, 2009
10:20 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A radical Muslim group was videotaped condoning the massacre at Fort Hood by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan because it was a military target.

"America's chickens have come home to roost," shouted a representative of the group.

A website run by Revolution Muslim is also honoring Hasan, the man accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood in Texas, as an "Officer and a Gentleman," saying his actions should not be denounced.

The massacre, which also left more than two dozen injured, was called a "pre-emptive attack" by supporters of the group.

Hasan, a Muslim psychiatrist who reportedly had been disciplined for pushing Islam on his patients at one point in his career, had given away his furniture and handed out Qurans before going to the military base and firing on soldiers at a processing center where soldiers prepared to deploy.

There were multiple reports he had objected to being placed in the position of possibly having to fight fellow Muslims by his scheduled deployment to the Middle East.

"Get Well Soon Major Nidal We Love You," said the website run by radicals who follow an imam once jailed in Britain. "Major Nidal Hasan M.D. An officer and a gentleman was injured while partaking in a pre-emptive attack.

The website lists as its imam Sheik Abdullah el-Faisal, who in February 2003 was sentenced to nine years in jail, reduced to seven on appeal, after being convicted of soliciting murder and inciting racial hatred in England.

According to reports in the London Guardian at the time, hundreds attended his lectures, possibly including James Ujaama, a U.S. citizen accused of trying to help the Taliban in Afghanistan; Richard Reid, who attempted to detonate a bomb in his shoe while crossing the Atlantic in a jetliner; and Zacharias Moussaoui, jailed for the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks on the U.S.

The reports said el-Faisal, who later was released and returned to his home in Jamaica, suggested Muslims attend training camps to gain the skills to wage jihad on the West.

He was recorded praising Osama bin Laden and saying, "You have to learn how to shoot and fly planes and drive tanks."

El-Faisal also said chemical weapons should be utilized to "exterminate non-believers" and said Muslim mothers should buy toy guns for their children to providing training opportunities.

"We do NOT denounce this officer's actions, we do however apologize for the following acts committed by our country," the U.S.-based website's supporters said. They listed: "Bay of Tonkin, The East Timor Massacre by USA Supported Suharto, 1902 Samar Massacre in the Philippines by the USMC, 1,000,000 Dead Iraqis, Afghani & Pakistanis Killed by the USA, Starvation of Africa & Rape of it's (sic) Resources by the USA, Support of the Brutal 'Israeli' Occupation Entity, Etc. Etc."

"Every day is Fort Hood for the world community due to USA policies and their tyrant totalitarian puppet regimes," the activists proclaimed. "Rest assure (sic) the slain terrorists at Fort Hood are in the eternal hellfire and it is not to (sic) late for YOU to change your policies," they said.

The website's mission statement states, "Revolution Muslim is a message and movement grounded in the sayings, deeds, actions and understanding of Ahlus Sunnah wal jama'ah (The collective body of those Muslims that adhere to the ways of the Prophet (SAWS) and the first four generations of Muslims)."

It continues, "We pray that we may witness the dismantlement of western, secular dominance across the world as we hold it to be pagan and idolatrous in the majority of its presumptions. We seek a resurrection of the just example set forth by centuries of Islamic rule throughout the ages and we hold it to be self evident for the objective soul and mind that Allah is One and that Muhammad ibn Abdullah is His Prophet and that the religion offers the solution to all of the world’s ills and afflictions."

The base commander said soldiers reported they heard Hasan shout "Allahu Akbar," or "Allah is the greatest," while he was shooting.

The site is disdainful of other Islamic organizations, citing a condemnation from the Islamic Society of North America regarding the shootings.

"ISNA - The house dog, barks once more to please its kafir Masters," Revolution Muslim wrote.

Hasan was born and raised in Virginia, but has family outside of Jerusalem. He enlisted and obtained his education from the military. He spent most of his career at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington until he was sent to Fort Hood this year, from where he apparently was to be deployed.

Vincent
11-08-2009, 07:54 AM
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115218

Military jihadists fill 'every branch'
Ultimate 5th column penetration, warns best-selling 'Muslim Mafia'
Posted: November 06, 2009
12:10 am Eastern

© 2009 WorldNetDaily

"Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor." That's what Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan said about America before he and possibly other Muslim soldiers at Fort Hood shot 43 fellow soldiers, killing 12, who were returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

"He said Muslims had a right to attack" the U.S., said Col. Terry Lee, who worked with Hasan at the Texas post, where the devout Sunni Muslim refused deployment. "He said Muslims shouldn't be fighting Muslims," he added. "He was very clear on that."

Shockingly, a growing number of other Muslim American soldiers as well as civilian contractors have put their religion before their duty. Some like Hasan have killed, or tried to kill, their fellow soldiers. Others have infiltrated the military in order to undermine it and aid and comfort the enemy.

According to an explosive new book, "Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld That's Conspiring to Islamize America," Hasan is just the tip of a jihadist Fifth Column operating within the ranks of the U.S. military – which is too blinded by political correctness to see the threat.

Quoting from a classified military briefing, "Muslim Mafia" reveals that this Fifth Column has penetrated "every branch of the U.S. military." The Islamist enemy has even infiltrated the al-Qaida detention camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Security officials at Gitmo have been investigating a possible new spy ring involving several "dirty" Arabic linguists who are accused among other things of:

* omitting valuable intelligence from their translations of detainee interrogations;

* slipping notes to detainees inside copies of the Quran;

* coaching detainees to make allegations of abuse against interrogators; and

* meeting with suspects on the terrorist watchlist while traveling back in the United States.

More than 75 former Gitmo detainees have returned to the battlefield or anti-American jihad. Some met with the suspect Muslim translators. Others were privately counseled by chaplains also under investigation for security breaches.

Gitmo security officials recently met with FBI agents in Philadelphia to aid their investigation into one of the Muslim linguists under contract at Gitmo, according to sources quoted in the book who are familiar with the investigation.

They also this summer briefed members of Congress about the prison camp's internal security breaches, according to "Muslim Mafia," which is co-authored by former federal agent P. David Gaubatz and investigative journalist Paul Sperry, author of "Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives Have Penetrated Washington," which is being used by law enforcement and the military.

"Three years of investigations have revealed the presence of pro-jihad/anti-Western activities among the civilian contractor and military linguist population serving Joint Task Force Guantanamo," states a copy of the classified Gitmo briefing, which was prepared in May 2009 for the FBI and CIA, as well as the congressional intelligence committees.

The report explains that dirty Arabic linguists have gathered classified data involving detainees, interrogations and security operations in an effort to "disrupt" Gitmo operations and U.S. "intelligence-collection capabilities."

It goes on to specifically finger the Muslim Brotherhood, which it calls a terrorist group, in the conspiracy. The Muslim Brotherhood and its U.S. operations and front groups are the subject of "Muslim Mafia."

"These actions are deliberate, carefully planned, global, and to the benefit of the detainees and multiple terrorist organizations, to include al-Qaida and Muslim Brotherhood," the briefing states, according to the bestselling book.

The enemy infiltration is not limited to Guantanamo.

The report strongly suggests that Islamist spies have penetrated nearly every sensitive U.S. security agency involved in the war on terror, potentially compromising intelligence government-wide.

"Persons participating in this activity move regularly between multiple contracting companies, various intelligence agencies in the U.S. government [FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, etc.], and every branch of the U.S. military."

The investigation comes on the heels of a major Muslim espionage ring that the FBI broke up at Gitmo in 2004.

A former Army Muslim chaplain was charged with espionage, mishandling classified documents, and lying to investigators, and served hard time in the stockade. Two of his Muslim brothers at Gitmo, both Arabic interpreters, were convicted of stealing or mishandling classified documents.

Hasan, the alleged Fort Hood terrorist, is a U.S. citizen whose Palestinian parents emigrated from the West Bank.

Col. Lee said Hasan complained about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. He had hoped President Obama would quickly end them, but when they "didn't come to a quick end, he got more agitated."

This summer, Lee says he overheard Hasan praise the Muslim who shot two soldiers at a military recruiting station in Little Rock, Ark.

"He was happy" about it, Lee said in an interview with Fox News. "He said 'Maybe we should have more of these people. Maybe people should strap [on] bombs and go into town squares.'"

There are some 40 Muslims at Fort Hood, and an estimated 15,000 Muslims serving throughout the U.S. armed forces.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations cautioned against a rush to judgment about the shooter's motives.

"The motive of the attacker is not yet known," insisted CAIR Executive Director Nihad Awad. (The FBI recently cut off ties to the Washington-based group after identifying it as a front group for Hamas terrorists in the largest terror finance case in U.S. history. CAIR and its founding chairman were named unindicted terrorist co-conspirators in the case.)

But other current and former Muslims, who oppose CAIR and dispute its claims to representing American Muslims, say the shooter's motive is clear: violent jihad in the name of radical Islam.

"America needs to awaken from its sleep and its unwillingness to face the issue of fundamentalist Islam in our midst which undoubtedly is the cause of the tragedy in Fort Hood," said Walid Shoebat, a former Islamist terrorist.

"Some very serious decisions need to [be] made when it comes to having Muslims protecting our country, as it is impossible to know whether they may be honorable or foxes in the hen house."

MACH1
11-08-2009, 12:26 PM
Don't jump to any conclusions or you might be labeled a racist. :rolleyes:

43Hitman
11-08-2009, 06:16 PM
Don't jump to any conclusions or you might be labeled a racist. :rolleyes:

You mean like our Pres...opps. Nevermind.

HometownGal
11-10-2009, 09:32 AM
Don't jump to any conclusions or you might be labeled a racist. :rolleyes:

OK. When it comes to Muslims, I AM a racist and I won't deny that or be embarrassed by it. I don't like 'em, I don't trust 'em and I believe they should all be gathered up and shipped back to their own shithole countries.

Hammer Of The GODS
11-10-2009, 12:55 PM
OK. When it comes to Muslims, I AM a racist and I won't deny that or be embarrassed by it. I don't like 'em, I don't trust 'em and I believe they should all be gathered up and shipped back to their own shithole countries.


Call me a racist if you want. I don't give a rats ass.

It is PAINFULLY obvious that we can't tell which muslims are fanatical and which ones are not. All the while lives are lost while we remain politically correct.

WHY IS IT THAT THE MUSLIMS RIGHT TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY OTHER GROUP WHOSE FAITH DOES NOT CONDONE THE ERRADICATION OF ALL OTHER BELIEFS!

I'm with ya Marrianne, send them all packing to the shithole that thier god has given them!


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lamberts-lost-tooth
11-10-2009, 01:13 PM
I think we CAN tell if those among us are terrorists in waiting. The problem is that we now live in a society that is so frikin' politically correct, that the accuser is more likely to be held to the fire, then the accused.

Too many in our armed services KNEW this guy had made statements...KNEW this guy was a walking time bomb...KNEW this guy had chosen to place himself on the side of our enemies...and were cowered by the current military policy of "tolerance at any cost".

This is one of the main problems I have with liberal ideology. Pie in the sky, no absolutes, rose colored glass policies are NEVER ready to deal with the sure consquences of "unconfined evil".

xfl2001fan
11-10-2009, 02:03 PM
If someone hasnt' touched on this already...he was a Major because of a special program the Army has for "Doctors" in specific specialties. They get to come in as senior officers based on their education and specialty. He may have joined as a Major...because the Army has been hurting for Psychiatrists/Psychologists for some time. We are also hurting for Surgeons and other types of Medical doctors in specific specialties. If you have the degree, you can join with minimal training (i.e. they will coddle you...instead of giving you a boot camp) and you end up with a pampered existance (and therefore, more often than not, a viewpoint/training background that is very counter-intuitive to how the real Army actually operates.) This guy is a perfect example of that. If not for a degree in a specialty the Army is short in...he would have gone through regular training and either been pushed out via that training, or had a much better understanding of how things work. It's a sad state of affairs (IMO) that he survived the shooting...because that means that we (the taxpayers) will have to support this POS until the lawyers (on both sides) figure out exactly what to do with the guy.

Muslims need to stand up and police their own. Unfortunately, it seems like they are either nutjobs who will commit these atrocities, or too damned pussified to actually raise a hand to stop this. There is almost no gray area...it's either solid white (too peaceful to help the rest of the Non-Muslim world out) or too solid black (allowing nut jobs like this guy and many others) where they go off and kill a bunch of innocent people.

The saddest part is that the Army has a very strong EOSH program (Equal Opportunity/Sexual Harrassment) in place...and this guy would have been at the epicenter of that program...because of his specialty.

I am saddened and very angered that this happened. I have a bunch of troops at my new unit (I recently went Active Duty, hence my quiet on the boards lately) that were training in Fort Hood at the time of this incident. Fortunately, none of them were hurt/involved in this (though I suspect that some may wish to see an outside Psychiatrist/Psychologist/Chaplain) after this incident. Because I'm new to the unit, none of the Soldiers from my company that are there have met me...but I've kept tabs through their Platoon Sergeants. It's a pretty rough environment there right now...and since they were preparing to go overseas, this only intensified the stress levels...and probably hate...for some of these young kids.

May the families of the killed/injured (to include those who were psychologically effected) find peace in their hearts soon..and may the souls of the recently departed rest well in Heaven as guardians there...

For the Major...I'm hoping you don't find anything so peaceful as heaven..and I hope the rest of your worthless life is as hard as humanly possible for your actions.