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SteelerEmpire
11-12-2009, 07:12 PM
Islam appears to be getting a foot-hold in Europe.... LINK: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/11/12/robertson.london.radicals.cnn

MACH1
11-12-2009, 07:22 PM
And here we sit being PC not wanting to offend the c0ckroaches.

MasterOfPuppets
11-12-2009, 09:08 PM
burn dowm those mosques sherlock...before its too late...:tt03:

Gadhafi: Islam taking over Europe
Notes progress, sees 'victory' within a few decades

Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades, said Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi in a speech aired on the Arab satellite network Al Jazeera.

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe," Gadhafi said. "There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."

If Turkey is added to the European Union, the Libyan leader said, Europe will have another 50 million Muslims.

Albania, a Muslim-majority country, and Bosnia, which is half Muslim, also appear to be on their way to EU membership.



WND GLOBAL JIHAD
Gadhafi: Islam taking over Europe
Notes progress, sees 'victory' within a few decades
Posted: May 03, 2006
1:00 am Eastern

2009 WorldNetDaily.com




Moammar Gadhafi
Islam will take over Europe without violent force within a few decades, said Libyan Leader Moammar Gadhafi in a speech aired on the Arab satellite network Al Jazeera.

"We have 50 million Muslims in Europe," Gadhafi said. "There are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe – without swords, without guns, without conquests. The 50 million Muslims of Europe will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades."

If Turkey is added to the European Union, the Libyan leader said, Europe will have another 50 million Muslims.

Albania, a Muslim-majority country, and Bosnia, which is half Muslim, also appear to be on their way to EU membership.

"Europe is in a predicament, and so is America," Gadhafi said. "They should agree to become Islamic in the course of time, or else declare war on the Muslims."

Excerpts of Gadhafi's speech, broadcast April 10, were translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, or MEMRI. A video clip of the speech can by viewed online.

Gadhafi emphasized Muslims view Muhammad the prophet not only of the Arabs or Muslims but "of all people."

"He superseded all previous religions," Gadhafi said. "If Jesus were alive when Muhammad was sent, he would have followed him. All people must be Muslims."

He said Christians believe Muhammad is not their prophet because their holy texts "are forged and call for hatred."

"The so-called Old Testament and New Testament are neither Old Testament nor New Testament – because both testaments were superseded, and they are forged," he said. "They were written by hand hundreds of years after Jesus."

Gadhafi continued: "In the Bible there are things that are inappropriate for both Jesus and Moses. If we want to mend the state of humanity, and live in a global village, because of the globalization, we must search for the true Bible, because the Bible that exists today is a forgery. Today's Bible does not mention Muhammad, whereas our Lord's Bible mentions Muhammad repeatedly."

Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin reported in December 2003 Gadhafi provided al-Qaida with chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction before changing heart and agreeing to destroy his arms program.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50020

tony hipchest
11-12-2009, 09:25 PM
maybe we can deliver quadafi a few new copies of the bible to re-read, via f-22 raptor.

it seems our last f-15 delivery wasnt clear enough.

MasterOfPuppets
11-12-2009, 09:55 PM
this muslim pstilence wasn't just spoted this year...CLOSE YOUR DAMN BORDERS !!! I'D CALL IT A MATTER OF NATIONAL SECURITY...stop catering to the damn towel heads .


Islam is taking over, says Dutch politician

Published: 12:01AM GMT 01 Mar 2007

An anti-immigrant politician is making a meteoric rise with his call on the Dutch - once one of the most tolerant nations in the world - to stop Islam taking over Europe.
Geert Wilders, the 43-year-old leader of the Freedom Party, is convinced that governments are being forced to accommodate a 'tsunami of Islamisation' that is fundamentally incompatible with European social values.

"Islam itself is the problem. Islam is a violent religion," he told The Daily Telegraph. "The Prophet Mohammed was a violent man. The Koran is mostly a violent book. We should invest in Muslim people but they have to first get rid of half the Koran and half of their beliefs," he said.

The Freedom Party has jumped from six to 10 per cent in opinion polls since November. His passionate campaign for a ban on the Islamic veil, or burqa, in public places is gaining such momentum that the country's new coalition government could be forced to introduce the ban it does not support.

On the burqa, Mr Wilders is adamant: "It is a medieval token of a barbaric time, of how not to treat women, even if they want to wear it themselves," he argues.

Allowing Muslims to wear the burqa in the Netherlands, or to have segregated swimming sessions so as not to offend religious sensitivities, amounts to "religious apartheid" he says.

The new government coalition of mainstream centre right and left political parties had planned to ditch a decision by the previous government to ban the burqa in the Netherlands which now has a population of one million Muslims, six per cent of the total population. But, Mr Wilders crows, weekend opinion polls show 66 per cent of Dutch citizens support a ban.

The minority opposition leader who has won two previous votes for a ban on the burqa is convinced that support will be there for new legislation he will table in the spring as the Dutch become increasingly concerned over Muslim separatism.

Wilders is convinced there is growing support for his views across Europe but its political leaders, particularly in Britain, are too obsessed with being politically correct.

"There is almost no country more politically correct than the UK. Look at the terrible things that happened in London after Madrid, you have more reason than most to make this debate transparent and public," he said.

Mr Wilders split from the Dutch liberals in September 2004 over their support for EU membership for Turkey.

Two months later he was living in fear after police arrested suspected terrorists, armed with grenades, accused of planning to kill him. The Dutch politician says he and his wife have received more than 600 death threats.

Mr Wilders, who is always surrounded by plain clothes police guards, said: "I lost my freedom and privacy because of my opposition to Islam."

MasterOfPuppets
11-12-2009, 10:00 PM
Germany, Wake Up!

Muslims Are Taking Over, And You're Asleep at the Wheel!

It's official: Europe, including Germany, has been successfully infiltrated by the Muslims - mostly Turks and Kurds. They're literally everywhere, even in the smallest back-woods villages. They've been slowly trickling into European countries for years, and there's no end in sight....

From a humanistic standpoint, this doesn't necessarily represent a problem. After all, Turks and Kurds have just as much right as anybody else to seek a better life for themselves. They can live better in Germany on welfare than they can by actually working for a living in their own countries. And that is exactly what they are doing.

The problem is, they refuse to integrate into German society. Muslim women are dressed in the typical Islamic garb, covered from head to foot - and they despise at anyone who isn't. Even old ladies sitting on stoops or benches glare at non-Muslim passers-by. Not one of them returned our smiles as we walked the sidewalks of Germany during a recent vacation. While in Dortmund, my cousin and her husband gave us a tour of "Little Istanbul" - a part of town that has literally been taken over by the Turks and Kurds. She explained that the only remaining Germans in that part of the city are old folks who have lived there most, or all of their lives, and either weren't able to relocate, or stubbornly refused to be forced out. This decision has been a costly one, and the older inhabitants have paid dearly as they have subjected themselves to constant harassment by the Muslims. One older German lady, according to my cousin, tearfully related that she refuses to go out at night anymore, because the young Turks and Kurds make sport out of pushing little old German ladies off the sidewalks.

Because their women are off limits, the young Turkish men use and abuse German women, and then call them *****s. My cousin said that she has read plenty of newspaper reports concerning German women who have slapped a Turk or Kurd for groping them in public, only to then be hit or knifed by their offenders. "They have no respect for women", she told me.

Taking advantage of the system

T.he German government not only supports a huge influx of foreigners, but they've now allowed Muslims to hold goverment offices We were told that German officials seem to be afraid of them and often back down in order to meet their demands. It seems Muslims have made themselves a force to be feared. Their numbers continue to grow and spread, apparently without bounds.

In Dortmund the Muslims have somehow bought a city block for 20 million Euros and are planning to turn a church into a mosque. Naturally, if they succeed, they will put loudspeakers on the mosque and broadcast their daily prayers all over the city (that is, unless their contract with the Germans specifically prohibits this). Since many, if not most, Germans (along with the rest of Europe) are either atheists, Catholics, or "lukewarm believers", many don't even realize what's happening! They're blinded to what's happening right under their noses. Unless they wake up, become vigilant and begin to fight the Muslim takeover, it is inevitable that one morning they will all wake up staring down the barrel of a gun and the sound of Muslim voices yelling at them to convert or be killed. The end times are here and the Muslims ain't kidding; they WILL and ARE trying to force the world to convert via ANY means.

Revelation 20: 4 "I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God....

Notice that the Bible tells us that people would be beheaded - not shot, stabbed, hanged, or choked, but beheaded! Who in this day and age still beheads? It's the Muslims - and they have already started!

Islam seems to be slowly taking over the world, not just Germany. Lately, there have been all kinds of articles showing how the Bank of Islam (which recently changed its name to the more "Western" sounding Arcapita - they used to have a website which proclaimed this, but it has apparently been removed) has taken over several U.S. companies/corporations, - one at a time - including Church's Chicken, Loehmann's Department Store, and the Caribou Coffee chain.

Revelation 13:16-18 "He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is man's number. His number is 666."

The Bank of Islam (Arcapita) has made it clear that they will NOT be doing business with people who refuse to adhere to Sha'ria Law/the Koran - That could be where the "no one will be able to buy or sell" (Rev 13:17) comes in. If Islam owns all or most of the businesses and we can't be hired because we refuse to bow down to Allah, they can make it VERY rough on those who refuse to take "the mark".

Although Muslims insist that Islam is a religion of peace, it is exactly the opposite, as evidenced by a history of violent attacks against the Western world, including the 9/11 attacks on the U.S. The Koran (Quran) incites violence and insists that unbelievers be harmed or killed. Here are just a few examples:

* Murder them and treat them harshly (Q. 9:123), slay them (Q.9: 5), fight with them (Q. 8: 65 ), even if they are Christians and Jews, humiliate them and impose on them a penalty tax(Q. 9: 29).

* It orders its followers to fight the unbelievers until no other religion except Islam is left (Q. 2: 193).

* It says that the non-believers will go to hell and will drink boiling water (Q. 14: 17).

* It asks the Muslims to slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace and that they shall have a great punishment in world hereafter (Q.5: 34).

* As for the disbelievers, it says that for them garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods (Q. 22: 9).

Islam mistreats women

Islam has always suppressed the rights of women. As a matter of fact, Muslim men have a history of mistreating or killing women - and going unpunished for their crimes. One recent example is from Ankara, Turkey, where Mehmet Halitogullari pulled on a wire wrapped around his 14-year-old daughter's neck and strangled her supposedly to restore the family's honor after she was kidnapped and raped. In another recent case which drew strong Turkish media interest, a 22-year-old woman, Guldunya Toren, was shot dead by her two brothers for having a child outside wedlock after being raped by a cousin in southeastern Turkey.

Although the Turkish government is trying to save face by trying to enforce harsher laws against "honor killings", there is much evidence that this practice is justified on Islamic grounds. Recently Jordan's Parliament rejected a law stiffening penalties for honor killings because Islamic hardliners, according to Al-Jazeera, "said the laws violated religious traditions and would destroy families and values."

The bottom line for Islam is that it is not just a religion, but a way of life and a government. According to Professor Moshe Sharon, Professor of Islamic History at the Hebrew University, Jerusalem:

"When the Islamic empire was established in 634 AD, within seven years - 640 - the core of the empire was created. The rules that were taken from the Koran and from the tradition that was ascribed to the prophet Mohammed, were translated into a real legal system. Jews and Christians could live under Islam provided they paid poll tax and accepted Islamic superiority. Of course, they had to be humiliated. And Jews and Christians living under Islam are humiliated to this very day."

Daniel Pipes in a recent New York Sun article stated:
http://www.therefinersfire.org/islam_in_germany.htm

GBMelBlount
11-12-2009, 10:20 PM
maybe we can deliver quadafi a few new copies of the bible to re-read, via f-22 raptor.

it seems our last f-15 delivery wasnt clear enough.

Amen, brother. :drink:

GBMelBlount
11-12-2009, 10:28 PM
Islam seems to be slowly taking over the world, not just Germany. Lately, there have been all kinds of articles showing how the Bank of Islam .... has taken over several U.S. companies/corporations, - one at a time - including Church's Chicken, Loehmann's Department Store, and the Caribou Coffee chain.

I recently heard they changed the name of one of their new startup companies from "Kill Infidels, Inc." to "Baby Lambs 'R Us".........

I guess it's all in the packaging... :thumbsup:

fansince'76
11-12-2009, 10:35 PM
Sounds like Europe is overdue for one of these....

http://milliesays.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/coffee-enema1a.jpg

tony hipchest
11-12-2009, 10:38 PM
Hey Queerdafi.... Read THIS-

Old Testament
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/01192008024.jpg


New Testament
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/01192008031.jpg
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/01192008029.jpg

MasterOfPuppets
11-12-2009, 10:52 PM
Sounds like Europe is overdue for one of these....

http://milliesays.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/coffee-enema1a.jpg

i don't even wanna know what kinda websites you visit to find pics like that...:uhh:

tony hipchest
11-12-2009, 10:59 PM
www.chadochocincoisadouchebag.com

fansince'76
11-12-2009, 11:02 PM
i don't even wanna know what kinda websites you visit to find pics like that...:uhh:

"Google Images" - search term: "enema"

NJarhead
11-12-2009, 11:53 PM
maybe we can deliver quadafi a few new copies of the bible to re-read, via f-22 raptor.

it seems our last f-15 delivery wasnt clear enough.

I heard the raptor program died out. In any case, the reporter himself identified them as "a threat" in the closing seconds of the video. It's only a matter of time before the get the fight of THEIR freaking lives.

They'll stay the hell out of my neighborhood if they know what's good for them.

The Patriot
11-13-2009, 01:09 AM
They'll stay the hell out of my neighborhood if they know what's good for them.

What, New Jewsey? :sofunny:

MasterOfPuppets
11-13-2009, 01:20 AM
I heard the raptor program died out. In any case, the reporter himself identified them as "a threat" in the closing seconds of the video. It's only a matter of time before the get the fight of THEIR freaking lives.

They'll stay the hell out of my neighborhood if they know what's good for them.
not dead yet...


President Barack Obama must soon decide whether to order the building of more F-22 Raptors or let the production lines close. Only 203 of the aircraft described by the think tank Air Power Australia as "the most capable multirole combat aircraft in production today" have been built or ordered.

Support for the aircraft is not limited to defense hawks. Last month, 44 U.S. senators, including Edward Kennedy and John Kerry, sent the president a letter requesting an additional order of unspecified size to prevent the planned 2011 shutdown. Bowing to political reality rather than true military needs, the Air Force now claims it could possibly get by with just 60 more aircraft.

Despite this, the Raptor may well have its wings clipped. The main reason: Strategists plan to fight the next war based on the last (or current) one. Where once we planned for massive set-piece battles, now it seems many can't see beyond guerrilla warfare with lightly armed insurgents.

The F-22, which entered service three years ago, blends key technologies that formerly existed only separately on other aircraft - or not at all. Its stealthiness will make trigger-happy combatants shoot at birds. It has agility, air-to-air combat abilities and penetrability far beyond that of the F-15 Eagle which entered service 33 years ago. It cruises at Mach-plus speeds without using fuel-guzzling afterburners.

But the end of the Cold War, the current guerrilla wars, and what Air Power Australia calls a deliberate campaign of "concocting untruthful stories about its capabilities, utility and cost," has devastated Raptor purchases. Originally the Air Force requested up to 762, but that was progressively cut to 648, 442, 339, then 277 before the current 203, of which 134 have been built.

A major criticism of the Raptor is the cost - about $339 million per aircraft. But much of this reflects a wisely added ground attack role and a sneaky but common ruse used to cut weapon procurements. Technology development costs are fixed. So each time an order is reduced, per-unit prices go up. Critics slashed the F-22 order, and then cited the "stunning" per-unit cost to slash away again.

This game has played out with one weapon system after another, helping explain why an initial plan for acquiring 132 B-2 Spirit bombers ended with a pitiful purchase of 21. But the current per-unit cost for each additional F-22 is around $136 million, according to the Air Force.

If necessary, the Air Force says it will try to fill the F-22 shortage by keeping F-15s flying to 2025. It won't work. Even eight years ago, "some foreign aircraft we've been able to test, our best pilots flying their airplanes [from other countries] beat our pilots flying our airplanes every time," then-Air Force chief of staff Gen. John Jumper told Congress.

Two years earlier, the independent Federation of American Scientists (FAS) noted that the Russian Sukhoi Flanker Su-27, which entered service eight years after the Eagle, "leveled the playing field" with the F-15. Su-27s, both Russian-built and Chinese-pirated copies, are now in arsenals around the world.

Nor are enemy fighters our only worry. Russian surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) have improved dramatically in recent years. The country's S-300 system is "one of the most lethal, if not the most lethal, all-altitude area defense," noted the International Strategy and Assessment Service, a Virginia-based think tank, three years ago. China also has the S-300 and the Russians announced in December they'll soon sell units to Iran.

The sale not only would threaten stand-off warning and control systems like AWACS but also tremendously boost defense of Iran's Bushehr nuclear reactor and Natanz uranium-enrichment site.

Yet the newer S-400 system, already deployed, is far better able to detect low-signature targets at far greater distances. When mated with the recently-tested Triumf SA-20/21 missile, it can even knock down ballistic missiles.

"Only the F-22 can survive in airspace defended by increasingly capable surface-to-air missiles," declared Air Force Association President Mike Dunn in December.

Some have demanded trading off F-22s for more of the cheaper F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), although it's vastly inferior in both air-to-air combat and ground defense penetration. Further, much of that lower price reflects the economy of scale of the vastly larger order F-35 orders, even as increased development costs have tremendously upped the Lightning II price tag.

The current Air Force budget estimate says the "flyaway unit cost" of its F-35 version will be strikingly higher than that of the F-22 during the first four years of production. Only then will assembly-line expansion drop the F-35 sticker to $91 billion by fiscal 2013.

The Russia bear has awakened from hibernation to rebuild its lost empire. China continues its inexorable military expansion. Iran desperately wants The Bomb, while North Korea revels in unpredictability. Yes, Virginia, we really do have potential enemies with weapons other than automatic assault rifles and improvised explosive devices. We desperately need far more F-22 Raptors - preferably to prevent wars, but if need be, to win them.

steelwalls
11-13-2009, 01:31 AM
Now thats a bird for that @$$

sherlock
11-13-2009, 04:40 AM
Islam appears to be getting a foot-hold in Europe.... LINK: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2009/11/12/robertson.london.radicals.cnn

Religious extremeists everywhere,Islamic,Christian,whatever.....please,I beg you,just fcuk right off and take your perverted sick doctrines with you.
Please find a deserted island where you can conduct your jihad and crusade and holy wars to your hearts content and leave us alone.
Religion......Love and Peace? ...give me a break.

GBMelBlount
11-13-2009, 05:13 AM
It's only a matter of time before the get the fight of THEIR freaking lives.



I agree WarDen.

However, I fear there are far too many PC zombies who have been lulled into complacency, unfortunately.

"This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper."

- T.S. Eliot

GBMelBlount
11-13-2009, 07:35 AM
Religious extremeists everywhere,Islamic,Christian,whatever.....please,I beg you,just fcuk right off and take your perverted sick doctrines with you.
Please find a deserted island where you can conduct your jihad and crusade and holy wars to your hearts content and leave us alone.
Religion......Love and Peace? ...give me a break.

Sorry Sherlock, but I feel that was both an ignorant and stereotypical comment.

It reminds me of liberals who vote for democrats and justify it by implying that ONLY wealthy people (or republicands/conservatives) are greedy and evil, as though that is not a trait of ALL people....

So to castigate ALL Religion in this manner, as you did in your last sentence, is implying that even religions that promote "Love & Peace" are bad and hypocritical simply because there are some "fanatics" who consider themselves christian, for instance, but in practice are anything but.....

Just because there are people who improperly act, supposedly on behalf of a religion, does not invalidate the religion.

Sorry friend, I just don't think, for whatever reason, that you are being intellectually honest here. :drink:

revefsreleets
11-13-2009, 08:32 AM
First off, there are a couple numbers problems here.

Europe has a total population of about 750 million (NOT including Russia and Turkey)...so while 50 million is a large number, it's not like there is anything approaching a majority here.

Turkey is also a secular Country...that should be weighed in here. I actually see Turkey becoming a closer US ally over the years...I don't see them as a huge risk to the West.

All Muslims are NOT radicalized or terrorists...so it's not like there are going to be 100 million terrorists running around.

Finally, the UK is NOT as tolerant towards other as the US. There are varying degrees of European tolerance, and the Countries that are lEAST tolerant will continue to have the MOST problems.

And Ghadafi is hardly the end all be all spokesperson for Islam....

sherlock
11-13-2009, 10:32 AM
Sorry Sherlock, but I feel that was both an ignorant and stereotypical comment.

It reminds me of liberals who vote for democrats and justify it by implying that ONLY wealthy people (or republicands/conservatives) are greedy and evil, as though that is not a trait of ALL people....

So to castigate ALL Religion in this manner, as you did in your last sentence, is implying that even religions that promote "Love & Peace" are bad and hypocritical simply because there are some "fanatics" who consider themselves christian, for instance, but in practice are anything but.....

Just because there are people who improperly act, supposedly on behalf of a religion, does not invalidate the religion.

Sorry friend, I just don't think, for whatever reason, that you are being intellectually honest here. :drink:

GBMelBlount,believe me I wasn`t trying to decry any beliefs whatsoever,just those who preach hate and intolerance behind the banner of religion.
It was directed at fanatics/fundamentalists only.
As to being ignorant,well,I admit that I probably am in so many things,but at least I`m aware of my ignorance and always strive to overcome that ignorance.
I`m a million miles from being a saint,in fact I always say that I`m 51% good,49% bad so whatever good in me usually prevails....usually!
Its funny because I completely agree with everything you said in your post but my hopeless command of the English language led to mis-interpretation of what I was trying to say.
I just get so angry about this because on the ocassions I have met people from other religions/nationalities you know what...they`re bloody lovely!
Apologies if I caused any offence.:drink:
Btw,what does the GB in your forum name stand for? :noidea:

GBMelBlount
11-13-2009, 12:23 PM
GBMelBlount,believe me I wasn`t trying to decry any beliefs whatsoever,just those who preach hate and intolerance behind the banner of religion.
It was directed at fanatics/fundamentalists only....

Btw,what does the GB in your forum name stand for? :noidea:

Thank you for clarifying, friend. Perhaps someday when you make it to the U.S. for a Steelers game, we can all meet for drinks:drink:

GB stands for "God Bless" Mel Blount.

He not only was a great football player but IS a great man who has helped many lost souls to get their lives back on track.

Thanks for asking. :thumbsup:

NJarhead
11-13-2009, 01:00 PM
What, New Jewsey? :sofunny:

Yea, NJ has the 3rd highest concentration of Muslims in the country.

But since you mentioned it (them), I think you should examine how Israel has deterred (or responded to) terrorism. They don't screw around or worry about world opinion.

Steelboy84
11-13-2009, 01:05 PM
Its predicted that by the year 2050, 20% of all of Europe will be Muslim.

NJarhead
11-13-2009, 01:10 PM
Its predicted that by the year 2050, 20% of all of Europe will be Muslim.

Sure that's not backwards?

Steelboy84
11-13-2009, 01:16 PM
Sure that's not backwards?

lol

It took me a sec to catch on to what you were saying.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Vincent
11-13-2009, 05:35 PM
Religious extremeists everywhere,Islamic,Christian,whatever.....please,I beg you,just fcuk right off and take your perverted sick doctrines with you.

Do not equate islam to Christianity. They are polar opposite in every way.

sherlock
11-14-2009, 01:02 AM
Do not equate islam to Christianity. They are polar opposite in every way.

Well that`s you view Vincent so fair enough.
They share at least one trait though,throughout their histories they`ve caused death and destruction upon those that don`t adhere to their beliefs.
I`m a simple man so please tell me how that can be justified,I mean what would Jesus say?
Jesus wept?
I am well aware that many religous people frequent this board and offer my sincere apologies if what I say offends anyone.

Vincent
11-14-2009, 08:37 AM
Well that`s you view Vincent so fair enough.
They share at least one trait though,throughout their histories they`ve caused death and destruction upon those that don`t adhere to their beliefs.
I`m a simple man so please tell me how that can be justified,I mean what would Jesus say?
Jesus wept?
I am well aware that many religous people frequent this board and offer my sincere apologies if what I say offends anyone.

Their histories have blemishes. I make no pretense at defending the misguided actions of either.

The difference between the two is indeed polar opposite.

The word "islam" means submission. The core of the religion is submission. The religion instructs its adherents that there are three sorts of folks on this rock - muslims, those that will become muslims, and those that won't. muslims are instructed to offer submission to the latter two, and to persecute by any and all means those that do not submit. That is the "justification" for the bad behavior, and in the eyes of the fundamentalists, their mandate for jihad.

Christianity is redemption from one's sins by accepting that Jesus is the Lamb of God that bore the judgment for our sins. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Christianity has that we are all sinners that have fallen short, and that we all are invited into redemption and eternal communion with the Lord. The mandate of salvation is very simple - share the good news.

What would Jesus say? "Come unto me all who are weary and burdened, I shall give you rest".

For the record, I am not religious. I am a believer.

SteelCityMom
11-14-2009, 09:56 AM
Their histories have blemishes. I make no pretense at defending the misguided actions of either.

The difference between the two is indeed polar opposite.

The word "islam" means submission. The core of the religion is submission. The religion instructs its adherents that there are three sorts of folks on this rock - muslims, those that will become muslims, and those that won't. muslims are instructed to offer submission to the latter two, and to persecute by any and all means those that do not submit. That is the "justification" for the bad behavior, and in the eyes of the fundamentalists, their mandate for jihad.

Christianity is redemption from one's sins by accepting that Jesus is the Lamb of God that bore the judgment for our sins. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life." Christianity has that we are all sinners that have fallen short, and that we all are invited into redemption and eternal communion with the Lord. The mandate of salvation is very simple - share the good news.

What would Jesus say? "Come unto me all who are weary and burdened, I shall give you rest".

For the record, I am not religious. I am a believer.


The word Islam does mean submission, or surrender, but it means submission to God. And Muslim means "one who submits to God".

In the classical manuals of Islamic jurisprudence, the rules associated with armed warfare are covered at great length. Such rules include not killing women, children and non-combatants, as well as not damaging cultivated or residential areas. More recently, modern Muslims have tried to re-interpret the Islamic sources, stressing that Jihad is essentially defensive warfare aimed at protecting Muslims and Islam. Attacks like 9/11 ARE NOT sanctioned by more centrist groups of Muslims.

In Christian history, there are two separate glaring incidents that were used to "spread the good word" and it was through fear and war. The Crusades (which can be equated with a modern day jihad, which literally means fighting for the cause of Allah and is the only form of warfare permissible under Islamic law) and the hundreds of years of Inquisition, in which the Church basically said, convert to our form of Christianity or face the wrath of our God (sound familiar?).

In our modern day, Christianity has changed, but lets not pretend it was always the happy go lucky faith that it is now. Many people lost their lives all over the world because they would not submit to a Christian Gods word.

The base of Muslim faith is quite similar to the base of Christian faith, if you're willing to read the actual words and not what some radicals of today have twisted them to mean. And it's of course not unheard of for Christian radicals to twist the words of the Bible either to support their own personal causes.


I think these are the parallels that Sherlock is trying to present.

WH
12-19-2009, 03:35 PM
The person in the article is full of crap, but, here, in Scandinavia, there are definately an incredible amount of Middle Eastern refugees.

I was going to go into a rant about the Islamo-Fascist rape squads my family in Sweden has told me about, but I couldn't find any solid articles about it. Just a bunch of bloggers.

BTW, that leads me to ask.....Are bloggers valid sources in this day and age?