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mesaSteeler
11-16-2009, 09:53 PM
Bengals best in AFC North?
Monday, November 16, 2009
By Gene Collier, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Matt Freed/Post-Gazette
Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer throws against the Steelers in the third quarter.

Early in the fourth quarter of a game that had long since forfeited any chance of turning up on ESPN Classic, it actually began to appear as though the Steelers were going to lose to the Cincinnati Bengals twice in seven weeks, and the reaction was reflexive:

You're pullin' my leg.

No wait, or was that what quarterback Ben Roethlisberger said to Bengals linebacker Brandon Johnson, who was quite literally pulling his leg as Big Ben lay in a pile of humanity after sneaking the football to a first down at the Cincinnati 11?

Johnson stood behind the pile, reached in, and yanked No. 7's foot like a guy trying to drag a deer out from under a Ford Taurus. Seeing this, Steelers guard Chris Kemoeatu arrived and threw Johnson to the turf of Heinz Field. And though the Steelers had to settle for Jeff Reed's fourth and final field goal and a seriously frayed 12-12 knot at that point, the dramatic theme of the game's final 11:20 had been established.

The Bengals and Steelers essentially threw each other to the turf for the balance of the show, and it was the Bengals who got up and wobbled off with an 18-12 victory and a one-game lead in the fast-calcifying AFC North Division. Cincinnati appears to be the best team in the you're-pulling-my-leg division, if only because the Steelers' usually heroic defense couldn't make one of Mike Tomlin's ready-splash plays on either of two Bengals field-goal drives in the fourth quarter. One lasted a clock-swallowing nine plays, the other 11.

"Part of the reason why big plays weren't there was because of the Cincinnati Bengals and Carson Palmer," Tomlin said admiringly. "They take very good care of the football; they make great decisions."

The decision to have no turnovers is always useful, but nothing states the obvious so acutely in this regard as the fact that the Steelers have lost three games this season, the very three games in which they did not force a turnover. In their six wins, they've come up with at least one, up to as many as four.

"I dropped a pick I should have had," said safety Ryan Clark, back in the lineup after his high-altitude respite in Denver. "It's hard to lose games that you thought you played well enough to win, but we've got to do more."

You wouldn't have to walk far from Clark's locker to get a decent argument on the point that the Steelers played well enough to win, but there was no disputing that first statement. When Chad Ochocinco broke his route too sharply and Palmer's delivery came well behind the Mad Tweeter, the football arrived at Clark's belly near midfield with a shrieking invitation to make the play that would likely have flipped the result. Instead, the Bengals converted a third-and-5 on the next play and went ahead, 15-12, seven plays later.

Physical mistakes, coaches love to say, are simply going to happen; it's the mental mistakes that kill you. Yesterday's killer came courtesy of James Harrison, who got pushed in the back just after the whistle by Andrew Whitworth, a monstrous Bengals left tackle, just as the clock flashed down toward four-and-a-half minutes. Harrison responded by punching Whitworth in the helmet, drawing a 15-yard penalty for unnecessary inexplicable bone-headedness that brought the ball almost to midfield.

"We've got to play sharper than that," Tomlin said. "Regardless of the circumstances that led up to it or whatever happened, that's just part of our day. That wasn't winning football."

In a situation that yelped for the very kind of critical defensive play that made many of Dick LeBeau's fella's famous, the closest they got to a delivery came from third-string defensive end Nick Eason, who nailed Bernard Scott for a 2-yard loss on third-and-3 at the Steelers' 23 on the play prior to the two-minute warning. That forced a field goal and got Ben the ball back, trailing by only six with 1:50 left, but Ben was in the middle of his least productive game of the season. He completed exactly one of his final nine passes in a game when offensive coordinator Bruce Arians had no interest in running at all. The Steelers ran 40 pass plays, 17 rushing plays, a terrible mix in just about any circumstance.

Thus we saw the first Steelers game of the past 26 (including the playoffs) that did not include an offensive touchdown, as touchdowns are difficult when you're converting 3 of 15 third-down opportunities.

"There's still a lot of football left," defensive end Brett Keisel said cheerily, perhaps aware that the defense has allowed only one offensive touchdown or none in five consecutive games, "but this is the stretch where great teams step up and make plays when it counts."

Yes it is.

In theory.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09320/1013872-66.stm#ixzz0X5M84kBP

Steelers & I
11-17-2009, 01:12 AM
in a game when offensive coordinator Bruce Arians had no interest in running at all. The Steelers ran 40 pass plays, 17 rushing plays, a terrible mix in just about any circumstance.

Man, this guy is a bonehead :toofunny:. How dare he point out those numbers and follow it up with a negative comment. Oh wait a second, I believe that a few people in this forum pointed out the exact same thing and they were responded to with essentially: "The players didn't execute you moron". :rofl:

Gene Collier, Don't you even think of laying any of the blame on Brucie. It's frightening to know that you walk amongst us.

solardave
11-17-2009, 03:08 AM
Man, this guy is a bonehead :toofunny:. How dare he point out those numbers and follow it up with a negative comment. Oh wait a second, I believe that a few people in this forum pointed out the exact same thing and they were responded to with essentially: "The players didn't execute you moron". :rofl:

Gene Collier, Don't you even think of laying any of the blame on Brucie. It's frightening to know that you walk amongst us.

How do some of these guys get their jobs?

stlrtruck
11-17-2009, 08:00 AM
How do some of these guys get their jobs?

The choice was obviously only between them and TIMMAH! :doh: :noidea:

revefsreleets
11-17-2009, 02:08 PM
Why didn't Ben audible?

Bengals best in AFC North?
No.

AllD
11-17-2009, 03:41 PM
Bengals replaced the Broncos as the Cinderella team of the AFC.

OX1947
11-18-2009, 02:01 AM
Bengals will be the first team in NFL history to sweep their division and not win the division.

Steelers & I
11-18-2009, 02:24 AM
Why didn't Ben audible?

Bengals best in AFC North?
No.


Is Timmons a beast?
No. :flap:

He looks better each and every week, uh, NO!

HometownGal
11-18-2009, 07:10 AM
Man, this guy is a bonehead :toofunny:. How dare he point out those numbers and follow it up with a negative comment. Oh wait a second, I believe that a few people in this forum pointed out the exact same thing and they were responded to with essentially: "The players didn't execute you moron". :rofl:

Gene Collier, Don't you even think of laying any of the blame on Brucie. It's frightening to know that you walk amongst us.

That is all you got out of that article? WOW. :jawdrop: :shake01:

Quote:
Originally Posted by revefsreleets
Why didn't Ben audible?

Bengals best in AFC North?
No.


Is Timmons a beast?
No.

He looks better each and every week, uh, NO!

Me thinks you had better stop with the baiting. revs' post had absolutely NOTHING to do with Timmons.

Texasteel
11-18-2009, 07:27 AM
Man, this guy is a bonehead :toofunny:. How dare he point out those numbers and follow it up with a negative comment. Oh wait a second, I believe that a few people in this forum pointed out the exact same thing and they were responded to with essentially: "The players didn't execute you moron". :rofl:

Gene Collier, Don't you even think of laying any of the blame on Brucie. It's frightening to know that you walk amongst us.

I don't think he was laying the blame on Brucie, I think he was laying the blame on the team, where it belonged.

revefsreleets
11-18-2009, 10:49 AM
Timmons had 4 assists and 4 solo tackles against Cinci. He had a very solid game. Anyone with a true understanding of the game of football (not blinded by hatred and a personal vendetta against particular players brought about by premature speculation) would clearly see that...

Steelers & I
11-18-2009, 10:35 PM
Timmons had 4 assists and 4 solo tackles against Cinci. He had a very solid game. Anyone with a true understanding of the game of football (not blinded by hatred and a personal vendetta against particular players brought about by premature speculation) would clearly see that...

A "very solid game"? Yeah, maybe if he was a rookie making his first start. This guy has been called "a beast", I expect a lot more than 4 tackles and 4 assists from a beast. A pretty average performance in my opinion.

And by the way, just for the record, I don't "hate" Timmons. I just believe that he'll never amount to much on the field.

Steelers & I
11-18-2009, 10:42 PM
HometownGal;705136]That is all you got out of that article? WOW. :jawdrop: :shake01:

Well Gal, seeing that you haven't had anything to say about the article thus far, I suppose we can assume that I came away with a little more than you did. WOW! :kick:


Me thinks you had better stop with the baiting. revs' post had absolutely NOTHING to do with Timmons.

So it's alright for Revs to continuously point out my opinion on Timmons in nearly 20 threads that I wasn't even posting in? And that's not baiting? Not to mention the NUMEROUS personal attacks that he has posted against me that went "unchecked by the mods". Yeah, that's alright though, I see how it is.

Steelers & I
11-19-2009, 02:11 AM
Timmons had 4 assists and 4 solo tackles against Cinci. He had a very solid game. Anyone with a true understanding of the game of football (not blinded by hatred and a personal vendetta against particular players brought about by premature speculation) would clearly see that...

That sounds mighty familiar. Could it be that you just explained yourself and your particular stance against Limas Sweed?

Yes Sir, it's just like I said a week ago. No one other than you is possessed with enough talent and intelligence to voice a negative opinion about a coach or player.

X-Terminator
11-19-2009, 06:03 AM
So it's alright for Revs to continuously point out my opinion on Timmons in nearly 20 threads that I wasn't even posting in? And that's not baiting? Not to mention the NUMEROUS personal attacks that he has posted against me that went "unchecked by the mods". Yeah, that's alright though, I see how it is.

You'd better be absolutely sure you know what you're talking about here before you go and make not-so-subtle accusations about the mods. Because you have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on behind the scenes. How do you know those attacks have gone "unchecked" by the mods? Do they always have to conduct their business out in the open? I don't think so.

It never ceases to amaze me how people constantly throw poison darts at the mods because of what they THINK is going on. I'm sure HTG will come on here and explain, but since I've been a mod here and have worked with her and FS'76, I know how things operate and feel compelled to speak up on their behalf.

Rick5895
11-19-2009, 06:32 AM
Hate to burst bubbles here but
1. The Bengals , this season so far, are the best team in the AFC North. (They beat the Steelers and Ravens twice each) Will they remain that way , NO
2. Timmons is a very good player, experencing growing pains as a first year starter.
3. Let's focus on the rest of the season.

stlrtruck
11-19-2009, 09:52 AM
3. Let's focus on the rest of the season.

That sounds like a good plan to me!!!

:thumbsup: :drink: :tt03:

HometownGal
11-19-2009, 10:52 AM
You'd better be absolutely sure you know what you're talking about here before you go and make not-so-subtle accusations about the mods. Because you have absolutely NO IDEA what goes on behind the scenes. How do you know those attacks have gone "unchecked" by the mods? Do they always have to conduct their business out in the open? I don't think so.

It never ceases to amaze me how people constantly throw poison darts at the mods because of what they THINK is going on. I'm sure HTG will come on here and explain, but since I've been a mod here and have worked with her and FS'76, I know how things operate and feel compelled to speak up on their behalf.

There is no reason for me to explain anything. You are absolutely correct that no one knows what happens behind the scenes and that normally, unless I'm asking nicely, "business" isn't conducted on the open board. People throw poison darts at us Mods because it gives 'em a "set" when they don't have one in "real time". Hey - glad I can help with their issues. :thumbsup:

Indo
11-19-2009, 10:58 AM
There is no reason for me to explain anything. You are absolutely correct that no one knows what happens behind the scenes and that normally, unless I'm asking nicely, "business" isn't conducted on the open board. People throw poison darts at us Mods because it gives 'em a "set" when they don't have one in "real time". Hey - glad I can help with their issues. :thumbsup:

:rofl:

Dino 6 Rings
11-19-2009, 11:42 AM
I'm going to throw a dart at the mods for the heck of it...

Hey Mod...DART DART DART...and Poisoned Tip DART!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Dino 6 Rings
11-19-2009, 11:44 AM
As for the Bengals being the best in the AFC North...they are currently playing that way, so Golf Clap "clap clap clap" for them.

I mean, who saw this coming? Oh wait....I DID. I called the Bengals as our competition in the preseason seeing the Ravens having a fall off and their defense being better than people gave them credit for. But ho hum...tooting my own horn on that one.

We'll see how they handles success. Last time they beat us, didn't they go on to lose to the Texans?

Go Raiders!!!!!!

Fire Haley
11-19-2009, 11:58 AM
I called the Bengals as our competition in the preseason !

http://www.sfrc.biz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/blindsquirrel.jpg

Jmat
11-19-2009, 12:31 PM
Right now, yes, the Bengals are the best team in the division.
We'll see if they are the best in December.

BlastFurnace
11-19-2009, 12:52 PM
There are 7 games left in the season. They are the Mid-November Champions of the AFN right now. No ultimate decision has been decided yet. There is still plenty of football left.

Dino 6 Rings
11-19-2009, 01:56 PM
http://www.sfrc.biz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/blindsquirrel.jpg

LOL! That's funny.

I enjoy a good joke.

Still...I was right about the Bengals

Oakland as my sleeper...Yeah...I blew that one this year. Effing Oakland...geesh.

HometownGal
11-19-2009, 02:06 PM
I'm going to throw a dart at the mods for the heck of it...

Hey Mod...DART DART DART...and Poisoned Tip DART!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Here ya go Dino. You're welcome. :wink:

http://www.sportsgameroom.com/products/20-4004_large.jpg

LVSteelersfan
11-19-2009, 02:06 PM
I have been saying for the last two weeks that Oakland is a trap game for the Bengals and I think they will lose that one. AFC North teams typically play terrible on the West Coast and I think that trend will continue this weekend. Now that they benched that joke of a QB, I think they will win. Gradkowski is a decent (not great) QB. Russell was a wasted draft pick.

stlrtruck
11-19-2009, 03:21 PM
Right now, yes, the Bengals are the best team in the division.
We'll see if they are the best in JANUARY.

Fixed it for ya. :thumbsup: :drink:

Edman
11-19-2009, 06:22 PM
The Bengals beat us twice and sit alone atop the AFC North, but how come we aren't buying the fact that they're a better team?

It's like both Steelers/Ravens games last year. The Steelers won by a combined 7 points in both games.

This year, Cincy won both Bengals/Steelers games by a combined 9 points.

This year, the shoe is on the other foot. This is kinda how Ravens fans felt last year.

Fire Haley
11-19-2009, 06:34 PM
That's right - the Bengals will win the division and get the harder schedule next year after losing their first round playoff game come Jan. - one and done - then the Steelers will go on to beat the Jags in the AFC Championship game and then win the SB against the Vikes.


Write that down.

Preacher
11-19-2009, 06:43 PM
Right now, they are the best team in the AFCN. Period. they have the lead at just over the half way point, and have not lost to any AFCN team.

I don't however, expect them to hang on to that honor come playoff time.

Fire Haley
11-19-2009, 06:47 PM
Yea verily.

I want to see the Steelers beat the Patriots, then the Bengals, then Indy.


That would make for a good playoff run.


I demand entertainment.

fansince'76
11-19-2009, 07:56 PM
Well Gal, seeing that you haven't had anything to say about the article thus far, I suppose we can assume that I came away with a little more than you did. WOW! :kick:

So you follow up a post obviously baiting HTG with the "bonehead" comment to essentially whine about someone else supposedly baiting you? You better be able to take it if you're going to dish it out.


So it's alright for Revs to continuously point out my opinion on Timmons in nearly 20 threads that I wasn't even posting in? And that's not baiting? Not to mention the NUMEROUS personal attacks that he has posted against me that went "unchecked by the mods". Yeah, that's alright though, I see how it is.

Do you see black helicopters outside your window frequently as well? There is a lot that goes on behind the scenes you don't know about that isn't made public for the entire board's consumption, so cut the crap already with the insinuations that HTG plays favorites. She most assuredly doesn't.

tony hipchest
11-20-2009, 12:34 AM
im thinking I Bleed Black & Gold 32.

what was his name... dan????

augustashark
11-20-2009, 12:52 AM
LOL! This place just keeps getting better and better.

Fire Haley
11-20-2009, 06:46 AM
I'm glad I read that before it was deleted. Name-calling and hair-pulling is so inspiring.

markymarc
11-20-2009, 01:50 PM
Can you imagine the name calling and hair pulling if we lose to the Chiefs :chuckle:

revefsreleets
11-20-2009, 02:45 PM
That sounds mighty familiar. Could it be that you just explained yourself and your particular stance against Limas Sweed?

Yes Sir, it's just like I said a week ago. No one other than you is possessed with enough talent and intelligence to voice a negative opinion about a coach or player.


:rofl:I can almost see the smoke pouring out of you ears as you struggle to muster all your mental resources to bear here....and still?

pop!

Nothing...not a bang but a tiny whimper...but you do amuse me, scooter! Keep the comedy comin'!

markymarc
11-21-2009, 07:51 PM
Yea verily.

I want to see the Steelers beat the Patriots, then the Bengals, then Indy.


That would make for a good playoff run.


I demand entertainment.

That would be a better run than 2005! I would love to see that kind of entertainment :tt02:

sharkweek
11-22-2009, 11:06 AM
just like in '05, the Bengals can win the Division outright but if they don't finish better in the playoffs they won't be the best team in the division