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Ricco Suavez
12-07-2009, 07:38 PM
I do not post after every loss or win, I enjoy reading the back and forth banter between the left and the right (I'll let you figure which you are). In reading all the posts it has come to my attention that some on here expect a win every game and a playoff berth every year. That is the most absurd notion in the world. Or is it? Honestly I had to sit down and think about this, when was the last game that the Steelers went into that I truly expected a loss, and the game that came to me was the Colts playoff game in "05".Boy did they prove me wrong. Now I do not expect my guys to go undefeated, no. but I really believe they will win every time they take the field. Every season I have aspirations of a Superbowl, so yes I expect playoffs every year. We are so lucky, let me stress this. WE ARE SO LUCKY to be fans of a team that is so consistent that losing comes as a shock to its fans and also a shock and source of embarrassment to the organization. Right now we are finding ways to lose and there seems to be two encampments as whether the offense or defense is to blame, coaches or players. IMO, I think there is more than enough blame to go around and I also believe that the fix is not quite as drastic as some would have you believe. Less injuries, a key play on either side of the ball, some better decisions (again these are easier to see in hindsight) and this team that is sorely underachieving could be 10-2 to 12-0. This team is one season removed from a Superbowl with little personnel changes, I wish I knew what the answer was. I do think this though and anyone who knows the Steelers will agree this organization will not scrap this team, players or coaches. This is not the Rooney way. There will be significant thought put in this and whatever changes will be made the best interest of the club will be foremost and what we think as fans will not come into play. If the Steelers do not make the playoffs I for one will likely not even watch the playoffs. I did not even watch the NY/NE SB. But this year with the Saints being better than ever and them being my most regional team I will pull for them. But one thing for sure I will NEVER wear another teams emblem. The Steelers are my team now for 40+ years and they will be for as long as I draw a breath.:helmet:

pepsyman1
12-07-2009, 08:14 PM
I agree with you Ricco...we ARE incredibly lucky to have this franchise to root for. How many years in the last 35 have there been that we expected to have a bad year, or think that our team was incapable of beating any particular opponent? Few and far between....that's also the source of our frustrations on this forum. We all KNOW what we are capable of so when we see our team get what appears to be SO FAR off track we all get frustrated. We just want more STEELER FOOTBALL!!!

AllD
12-07-2009, 08:35 PM
Point #1: The expectations of defending a championship like the team did back in the 1970s TWICE, is what makes the team's current play look so awful.

Point #2: There was a complete breakdown in execution by us against teams that have been mediocre for years.

Point #3: Even with the injuries the playing by STs and the secondary have been amateurish and unprofessional. Coaching has also suffered trying to put lipstick on this pig.

SteelC7
12-07-2009, 09:23 PM
just because we get pissed wen the steelers lose and talk all kinds of trash about our team wen they dont play to their own level, does NOT meaan we arent big fans, in fact its wat makes us steelers fans the best in sports, we all know alot about football and bottom line, you, and nobody else for that matter, has the authority or audacity to say that any of us arent true fans, we all know wat ur saying, of course we love our team, but we can say whatever we want, thats why were here on steelers fever

RowHH
12-07-2009, 10:54 PM
WE ARE SO LUCKY to be fans of a team that is so consistent that losing comes as a shock to its fans and also a shock and source of embarrassment to the organization.

Losing doesn't come as a shock. Losing to awful teams like the Chiefs and Raiders comes as a shock.

Stang909
12-07-2009, 11:12 PM
I think what is making most of us upset is the fact that we have one of the easiest schedules in the league this year and we are struggling to win games. This team is simply underachieving. Thats not how defending champs should play. Plain and simple.

MaidenIndiana
12-07-2009, 11:33 PM
While I would love it if the Steelers won the SB every year, I know that is totally unrealistic. Hell I can even accept getting swept by the Bungles, it's not like it's never happened before and even a blind squirrel will find a nut every now and then. What I cannot and will never accept is a team this talented pissing away 4th quarter leads. And let's be honest they haven't lost those leads to teams like the Colts and Patriots, they've lost them against Chicago, Kansas City, the Raiders. The Steelers as a team, and especially the defense, have always had a sense of pride. Even when they clearly weren't the best team in the league. Right now this team is playing like they have no pride. That is simply unacceptable

BleedBlacknGold0
12-08-2009, 12:39 AM
I know the Steelers won't win the Superbowl every year but with this team and schedule I certainly expect it.

LVSteelersfan
12-08-2009, 12:52 AM
We obviously won't have a first round bye in the playoffs but we are not out of the race yet. I root until the last game the Steelers play every year. I hate this inconsistent play. Everyone knows we should be 10-2 or better right now but due to stupid this and stupid that we have lost a lot of close games. Makes no difference to me. I am still with them through thick and thin until their last breath this year and every year. Thank God we are not still in the Kordell, Brister, Malone and Stoudt years. Now that was pathetic. This team is pathetic due to extreme mediocre play in the 4th quarters of games. But I still think they are one of the better teams talent wise in the NFL.

plenewken
12-08-2009, 08:09 AM
This team is pathetic due to extreme mediocre play in the 4th quarters of games.

Sunday, I found the offense extremely mediocre during the first 3 quarters. 10 points in 45 minutes against the Raiders, you don't call this mediocre? In my opinion it's more than mediocre, it's p*ss poor.
Then in the 4th Q, the defense fell apart, but they held the Raiders to 6 points until then so they were doing a decent job.

Had the offense played half decent until the 4th quarter, we should have won this game regardless of the defensive meltdown at the end.

Spidey
12-08-2009, 08:18 AM
Sunday, I found the offense extremely mediocre during the first 3 quarters. 10 points in 45 minutes against the Raiders, you don't call this mediocre? In my opinion it's more than mediocre, it's p*ss poor.
Then in the 4th Q, the defense fell apart, but they held the Raiders to 6 points until then so they were doing a decent job.

Had the offense played half decent until the 4th quarter, we should have won this game regardless of the defensive meltdown at the end.

:applaudit:

Texasteel
12-08-2009, 08:35 AM
Sunday, I found the offense extremely mediocre during the first 3 quarters. 10 points in 45 minutes against the Raiders, you don't call this mediocre? In my opinion it's more than mediocre, it's p*ss poor.
Then in the 4th Q, the defense fell apart, but they held the Raiders to 6 points until then so they were doing a decent job.
Had the offense played half decent until the 4th quarter, we should have won this game regardless of the defensive meltdown at the end.


Other than that. How did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?

Pointing at the offense and ignoring what the defense did does not make sense.

stlrtruck
12-08-2009, 08:59 AM
Personally, I begin every pre-season with the anticipation that the Steelers will win the Super Bowl.

I reasonably expect them to be competitive in every game and destroy the lesser teams. I'm sorry but I do not buy into the parity of the league. There are teams that remain at the top of their division for a reason and it has to do with the FO, the coaches, and the players they keep year to year. The Steelers, my beloved Steelers, are one of those teams.

Yes, I get angry, embarrassed, and outraged when we lose games we shouldn't - more specifically when athletes that are getting paid millions to play a kid's game, play like kids who have never played! Not that I don't accept the bad game from key individuals from time to time, but for the entire team to play down to a level unrecognizable - that's not the Steelers.

Support them 100%, all year, every year!

The_WARDen
12-08-2009, 09:01 AM
I do not post after every loss or win, I enjoy reading the back and forth banter between the left and the right (I'll let you figure which you are). In reading all the posts it has come to my attention that some on here expect a win every game and a playoff berth every year. That is the most absurd notion in the world. Or is it? Honestly I had to sit down and think about this, when was the last game that the Steelers went into that I truly expected a loss, and the game that came to me was the Colts playoff game in "05".Boy did they prove me wrong. Now I do not expect my guys to go undefeated, no. but I really believe they will win every time they take the field. Every season I have aspirations of a Superbowl, so yes I expect playoffs every year. We are so lucky, let me stress this. WE ARE SO LUCKY to be fans of a team that is so consistent that losing comes as a shock to its fans and also a shock and source of embarrassment to the organization. Right now we are finding ways to lose and there seems to be two encampments as whether the offense or defense is to blame, coaches or players. IMO, I think there is more than enough blame to go around and I also believe that the fix is not quite as drastic as some would have you believe. Less injuries, a key play on either side of the ball, some better decisions (again these are easier to see in hindsight) and this team that is sorely underachieving could be 10-2 to 12-0. This team is one season removed from a Superbowl with little personnel changes, I wish I knew what the answer was. I do think this though and anyone who knows the Steelers will agree this organization will not scrap this team, players or coaches. This is not the Rooney way. There will be significant thought put in this and whatever changes will be made the best interest of the club will be foremost and what we think as fans will not come into play. If the Steelers do not make the playoffs I for one will likely not even watch the playoffs. I did not even watch the NY/NE SB. But this year with the Saints being better than ever and them being my most regional team I will pull for them. But one thing for sure I will NEVER wear another teams emblem. The Steelers are my team now for 40+ years and they will be for as long as I draw a breath.:helmet:

ever hear of paragraphs and hitting the Enter key once in awhile? Geesh that's hard to read.

plenewken
12-08-2009, 09:12 AM
Other than that. How did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?

Pointing at the offense and ignoring what the defense did does not make sense.

How did I ignore the defense? I said they fell apart in the 4th quarter. Re-read what I wrote.
I'm just saying, blaming the loss of the defense alone isn't fair. We should have led the Raiders by at least 15 points going into the 4th quarter and this would have been more than enough to secure the win.

3 redzone opps produced 3 friggin' points in the first half. You call that good offense?

Texasteel
12-08-2009, 09:17 AM
How did I ignore the defense? I said they fell apart in the 4th quarter. Re-read what I wrote.
I'm just saying, blaming the loss of the defense alone isn't fair. We should have led the Raiders by at least 15 points going into the 4th quarter and this would have been more than enough to secure the win.

3 redzone opps produced 3 friggin' points in the first half. You call that good offense?

You better read your post again. Your last sentence at the very lest implies that the lost belongs to the offense, and it doesn't.

plenewken
12-08-2009, 09:29 AM
You better read your post again. Your last sentence at the very lest implies that the lost belongs to the offense, and it doesn't.

I can read and I can also write. My whole post means that the offense must share the blame for the loss.

And I asked you a question: 3 redzone opportunities produced only 3 points in the first half. Do you call that good offense?

Texasteel
12-08-2009, 09:50 AM
I can read and I can also write. My whole post means that the offense must share the blame for the loss.

And I asked you a question: 3 redzone opportunities produced only 3 points in the first half. Do you call that good offense?

The answer is, no I don't think the offense did a good job at that time, but they did do a good job at other points in the game. I will not focus totally on one point a ignore the rest of the game.

JunScooby
12-08-2009, 09:54 AM
I agree that our expectations are unrealistic, however that does not mean taking a loss is any less painful.

plenewken
12-08-2009, 10:10 AM
The answer is, no I don't think the offense did a good job at that time, but they did do a good job at other points in the game. I will not focus totally on one point a ignore the rest of the game.

Thanks for your honest response.

BlastFurnace
12-08-2009, 10:43 AM
Who says that we expect a SB win every year. I certainly don't.

What bothers me, and I am certain others, is the manner in which the team has lost this year. You have to admit, every single loss this season has been a heartbreaker and leaves you just scratching your head. In not one case did we get beat by someone that was just a better team. I'm not saying we beat ourselves, but the manner in which the Steelers lost is usually lost by a team that has a lot less talent than we have.

We have quite possibly the worst ST unit in the last 2 decades of football, a defense that completely dissolved because of one player who has been injured all year, and really no answers on how to fix either problem. Both of these 2 units are the primary reason we are where we are today. That creates disappointment.

Not to mention....every single fan base that has a decent team would be upset with losses to KC and Oakland....two of the absolute worst teams in the entire league.

This isn't being spoiled, whiiney or whatever else the fan police want to throw our way. It's called being a fan and being disappointed in a team that should have been better this season.

Dino 6 Rings
12-08-2009, 01:11 PM
last year our 4 losses came to good playoff bound teams, Eagles, Giants, Colts and Titans, this year, we lost to the Bears, Chiefs, Raiders, Ravens and Bengals Twice...maybe one playoff team in the bunch. And that's only because they beat us twice, reverse those games and they don't sniff the playoffs.

So really, the Frustration and Anger is losing to teams that really don't belong on the same field as us, We shouldn't be losing to these inferior teams.

Sure, last year when we threw a pick to the Colts right before half time, people wanted to Fire Arians, and when we allowed 9 sacks to the Eagles or got completely beaten into submission by the Titans, people were pissed off, but this Disgusting Display of Lack of Effort on the part of our Entire Team against the teams we are losing to this year is absolutely unaccaptable and I don't give a rats arse what kind of "Super Fan" you are.

Is it realistic to want 43 Super Bowl titles already? No, come on, its too hard to win it every year, but damn me as a fan if I sit by quietly and watch these professionals act like a bunch of brain damaged twits on game day!!!

Dino 6 Rings
12-08-2009, 01:15 PM
SO yeah...I'm FULL OF RAGE!!!

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.
Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Bluedust
12-08-2009, 03:02 PM
I think what is making most of us upset is the fact that we have one of the easiest schedules in the league this year and we are struggling to win games. This team is simply underachieving. Thats not how defending champs should play. Plain and simple.

Give this man a beer. :drink:

Ricco Suavez
12-08-2009, 05:37 PM
ever hear of paragraphs and hitting the Enter key once in awhile? Geesh that's hard to read.

Sorry I did mean to make it easy for you. Here is edited version.

We expect perfection and we are continually disappointed. BTW, English and grammar police is one reason I do not post much.:tt02:

steelreserve
12-08-2009, 05:52 PM
As someone who lives in Raiders and 49ers country, believe me, I'm deeply appreciative of the fact that the Steelers are not like those franchises.

That's not really the issue, though. More like we had high hopes this season -- and justifiably so -- and so far, the team hasn't played anywhere near its potential. That's disappointing regardless of what the other 31 teams are doing.

Fact is, I'm GLAD that anything short of being a serious title contender is upsetting, because it usually means your team has had a hell of a lot more success than the "happy-just-to-be-here" crowd.

HometownGal
12-08-2009, 07:01 PM
We should have led the Raiders by at least 15 points going into the 4th quarter and this would have been more than enough to secure the win.

3 redzone opps produced 3 friggin' points in the first half. You call that good offense?

Do you honestly think that our opponents don't have DC's and HC's who do their homework and game plan against our offense? :doh: Every team that has played and will play against the Steelers this season does triple due diligence because until February 7, 2010, the Steelers are the defending Super Bowl champs. Everyone wants to beat the champs.

Read my font again . . . . slowly. The Steelers O gave the team the lead THREE TIMES in that game, only to watch each of those leads dissipate at the hands of the D, primarily the Steelers secondary. How hard is it for you to get that? :banging: Who gives a rat's rear if we win by 3 or if we win by 30? The Steelers O had that game won with under 2 left in the game. The D gave yet another game away and that is what is totally inexcusable.

plenewken
12-08-2009, 08:35 PM
Do you honestly think that our opponents don't have DC's and HC's who do their homework and game plan against our offense? :doh: Every team that has played and will play against the Steelers this season does triple due diligence because until February 7, 2010, the Steelers are the defending Super Bowl champs. Everyone wants to beat the champs.

Read my font again . . . . slowly. The Steelers O gave the team the lead THREE TIMES in that game, only to watch each of those leads dissipate at the hands of the D, primarily the Steelers secondary. How hard is it for you to get that? :banging: Who gives a rat's rear if we win by 3 or if we win by 30? The Steelers O had that game won with under 2 left in the game. The D gave yet another game away and that is what is totally inexcusable.

I'm not asking them to win by 30 pts but I certainly expect them to produce more than they've done, especially early in the games.

This is another statistic for your viewing pleasure. <g>

A clear proof that our offense has been pretty lousy so far, considering the quality of our offensive weapons and the fact that nobody got injured.

I look forward to reading the excuses you'll find to justify their lack of production.

PIT-TEN: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
CHI-PIT: 7pts 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-CLE: 0 pts in 1st quarter
PIT-MIN: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 10 pts at 1/2 time
DEN-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-CIN: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 9 pts at 1/2 time
KC-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter
BAL-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-OAK: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 10 pts at 1/2 time.

Texasteel
12-09-2009, 12:34 AM
I'm not asking them to win by 30 pts but I certainly expect them to produce more than they've done, especially early in the games.

This is another statistic for your viewing pleasure. <g>

A clear proof that our offense has been pretty lousy so far, considering the quality of our offensive weapons and the fact that nobody got injured.

I look forward to reading the excuses you'll find to justify their lack of production.

PIT-TEN: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
CHI-PIT: 7pts 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-CLE: 0 pts in 1st quarter
PIT-MIN: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 10 pts at 1/2 time
DEN-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-CIN: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 9 pts at 1/2 time
KC-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter
BAL-PIT: 0 pts in 1st quarter, 7 pts at 1/2 time
PIT-OAK: 3 pts in 1st quarter, 10 pts at 1/2 time.


Fact is, the offense gave the team a lead going into the 4th quarter repetedly, and the defense let it get away, and looked very poor doing it. The offense has made mistakes this year and has not played very well 100% of the time, but the offense is not the major problem with this team, the defensive play is.

tony hipchest
12-09-2009, 01:12 AM
Do you honestly think that our opponents don't have DC's and HC's who do their homework and game plan against our offense? :doh: Every team that has played and will play against the Steelers this season does triple due diligence because until February 7, 2010, the Steelers are the defending Super Bowl champs. Everyone wants to beat the champs.
. isnt that giving too much credit to the jaw puncher guy and the team who would suffer multiple crotch shots of callihan, shell vol II, and the kid kiffen?

anyone care to name the cardinals OC who is now the cheifs coach? hint- he was a steelers ballboy.

the other guys get paid piss squat and they beat us. their teams absolutely suck and they beat us.

i would like to think ben and our offense did homework against those teams defense.

denver and san diego seemed to have no problem hanging 40 on the chiefs.

we better hang 40 on the browns this weekend.

Mordax
12-09-2009, 01:28 AM
I think what is making most of us upset is the fact that we have one of the easiest schedules in the league this year and we are struggling to win games. This team is simply underachieving. Thats not how defending champs should play. Plain and simple.

this pretty much sums up my feelings from this season :hug:

HometownGal
12-09-2009, 08:23 AM
isnt that giving too much credit to the jaw puncher guy and the team who would suffer multiple crotch shots of callihan, shell vol II, and the kid kiffen?

anyone care to name the cardinals OC who is now the cheifs coach? hint- he was a steelers ballboy.

the other guys get paid piss squat and they beat us. their teams absolutely suck and they beat us.

i would like to think ben and our offense did homework against those teams defense.

denver and san diego seemed to have no problem hanging 40 on the chiefs.

we better hang 40 on the browns this weekend.

My point, dear hipcheese, is that in most of the games we've lost, the O has put points on the board and had leads late in those games, only to helplessly watch from the sidelines as these teams that "suck" were handed the W on a black 'n gold platter by our D. Hell - we're 6- and not mathematically eliminated as of yet, but we could be easily be 4-8 as our D squandered leads against the Bolts and the Lions due to their shoddy play in the 4Q of those games too. :banging: