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mesaSteeler
12-09-2009, 05:55 AM
Steelers' OLB to teammates: 'Do your job'
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_656815.html#

By Scott Brown
TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, December 9, 2009

As coach Mike Tomlin ponders change, several Steelers said the key to snapping a four-game losing streak may lie in something as simple as players not overextending themselves.

And outside linebacker James Harrison had a message for whoever is playing defense for the Steelers on Thursday night in Cleveland.

"Do your job, and after you did your job, then you can help your partner," said Harrison, one of the Steelers' defensive co-captains. "But don't worry about helping your partner until you do your job. If you don't do your part, then the defense breaks down. If you take care of your part and the other 10 guys do the same thing, then we should be fine."

If the Steelers weren't in such a dire situation they almost certainly have to win their last four games to make the playoffs they might able to appreciate the irony: Freelancing has evidently become an issue while the player most associated with that style, strong safety Troy Polamalu, is sidelined with a knee injury.

The perception that some players are trying to do too much may be a result of the struggles the defense has experienced late in games.

The Steelers are fifth in the NFL in total defense (297.3 yards per game), but they are giving up just over an average of 105 yards in the fourth quarter this season. Of the six games the Steelers have lost, they had fourth-quarter leads in five of them.

"When you're put in these situations over and over again and keep coming up short, I think guys tend to press," said inside linebacker James Farrior, who is also a defensive captain. "It's just human nature to try to do more, to try to get better, try to help somebody out, but in actuality, it sometimes hurts you even worse."

Casey Hampton agreed.

"I think guys have been pressing a little too much, trying to do too much, and that's not us," the veteran nose tackle said. "We pride ourselves on being an unselfish defense, and everybody just taking care of their job and not trying to make plays that's not your play to make. I think when we do that, we'll be OK."

The Steelers are mired in their worst losing streak since 2003, and they are in enough of a funk that Tomlin said earlier this week he is considering shaking up the team.

Tomlin said the Steelers want to take a long look at rookie cornerbacks Joe Burnett and Keenan Lewis. What that means for starters Ike Taylor and William Gay remains to be seen.

Gay practiced yesterday despite sustaining a concussion late Sunday, and he could play against the Browns. Taylor, meanwhile, got a tad defensive when asked how he would react if he had to accept a reduced role.

"There ain't nothing I can do but just keep playing football," said Taylor, who lost his starting job in 2006. "We're going to get criticized, regardless of what we do."

Asked if he expects to start in Thursday's 8:20 p.m. game, Taylor said, "No question."

There didn't appear to be much questioning inside a subdued locker room yesterday of Tomlin's decision to at least consider making major changes.

"He's the head man. He's got decisions to make, and we're trying to win some games around here," defensive end Brett Keisel said. "We're trying to win a game. You can't fault him for trying to do that."

Hampton said Tomlin struck the right tone when he said Monday that he was re-evaluating all aspects of the Steelers, including the makeup of the team's starting lineup.

"I think guys definitely need to be challenged," Hampton said. "I believe in the coach, and I think he's going to put the 11 guys out there that are going to give us the best opportunity to win."

Free safety Ryan Clark said he hopes the players that have been starting in the secondary get the opportunity to turn things around. But, Clark added, "They don't pay us to compete. They don't pay us to keep it close. They pay us to win football games, and when you don't win football games, they try to figure out why."

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

stlrtruck
12-09-2009, 07:48 AM
I repeat:

LIP SERVICE
LIP SERVICE
LIP SERVICE

until they do what they talk about....it doesn't matter. I've grown deaf to the speeches!

Steeldude
12-09-2009, 07:55 AM
"I think guys definitely need to be challenged," Hampton said. "I believe in the coach, and I think he's going to put the 11 guys out there that are going to give us the best opportunity to win."


i wonder how hampton would feel if they start hoke.

SteeleReign
12-09-2009, 08:16 AM
I repeat:



until they do what they talk about....it doesn't matter. I've grown deaf to the speeches!

True dis...

KeiselPower99
12-09-2009, 08:17 AM
Talk is cheap.

PalmerSteel
12-09-2009, 08:47 AM
i wonder how hampton would feel if they start hoke.


lol, exactly. me thinks he is trying to get some brownie points with the boss man to make sure he isnt one of the changes being made.

The_WARDen
12-09-2009, 08:48 AM
I repeat:



until they do what they talk about....it doesn't matter. I've grown deaf to the speeches!

but this time they really really really really promise to fix it.

X-Terminator
12-09-2009, 09:37 AM
I repeat:



until they do what they talk about....it doesn't matter. I've grown deaf to the speeches!

I'm not sure what you expect them to say. That "we suck and will not win another game?"

stlrtruck
12-09-2009, 09:45 AM
I'm not sure what you expect them to say. That "we suck and will not win another game?"

I don't expect them to say "We suck" but stop telling me you're going to fix it and not do a damn thing about it.

What I expect is for them to stop giving lip service and do something different on the field in all aspects of the game. It seems lately they've been able to tell us all that there is a problem and we know what it is and we're going to fix it but when they get out on the field there is no effort to fix it (imo).

Stop talking, start doing!That's what I expect!

El-Gonzo Jackson
12-09-2009, 10:03 AM
Silverback is completely right. You can see him compete on every down and look after his gap, but I think with backups in there(Eason, Carter and an underperforming CB tandem) the tendency is for the other starters to try and "help out"....and they are getting burned.

Hamp has played well. Nobody is collapsing the pocket like Aaron Smith did. In fact I saw Hood handfighting a lot in pass rush last game instead of trying to get upfield. Circle the wagons and get after Brady Quinn!!!!

Psyychoward86
12-09-2009, 10:22 AM
i wonder how hampton would feel if they start hoke.

Big Snack is having a pretty good season...

SteelMember
12-09-2009, 10:36 AM
Silverback is completely right. You can see him compete on every down and look after his gap, but I think with backups in there(Eason, Carter and an underperforming CB tandem) the tendency is for the other starters to try and "help out"....and they are getting burned.

Hamp has played well. Nobody is collapsing the pocket like Aaron Smith did. In fact I saw Hood handfighting a lot in pass rush last game instead of trying to get upfield. Circle the wagons and get after Brady Quinn!!!!

I've alluded to this problem in other threads...

Saftey's "helping" in run support are doing the exact opposite for the secondary.

Case and point: 4th Qtr., Oakland 3rd and 2.

Both Clark and Carter were lined up too close to the line and bit big time on that run fake... Ike, in a trailing position on a crossing route has zero chance of defending... TD. Nice. :doh:

bcsteel
12-09-2009, 10:59 AM
William Gay to me should not even be on a NFL field. Maybe practice squad. He is horrible. As for Ike Taylor and why he thinks he should be a pro bowler. I guess he actually thinks he is doing something on the field. :rofl::rofl:

This is the most horrific Secondary that I have ever seen as a Steeler Fan. I mean with out Troy back there. It is the worst!!!

Dino 6 Rings
12-09-2009, 11:13 AM
It makes sense, people trying too much to make big plays and people Missing Signals called in from the sidelines on when to blitz or not to blitz.

Afterall...Harrison pulled a Captain Freelance move in the Super Bowl to give us a 14 point swing and the greatest play by a Defender in the history of the Super Bowl. Others may be trying to make a name for themselves by "free lancing" when they should just be Doing Their Effing Job

Psyychoward86
12-09-2009, 11:22 AM
William Gay to me should not even be on a NFL field. Maybe practice squad. He is horrible. As for Ike Taylor and why he thinks he should be a pro bowler. I guess he actually thinks he is doing something on the field. :rofl::rofl:

This is the most horrific Secondary that I have ever seen as a Steeler Fan. I mean with out Troy back there. It is the worst!!!

Gay did quite good his first two years with us. Ike was arguably having a probowl year up until the last two games (although he was inconsistent). Ike was our top cornerback on our #1 defensive unit last year. He shutdown the likes of countless elite wide receivers other than the two best in the league (Fitz and Andre Johnson).

Part of the reason for our lack of a good pass defense is obviously the loss of Troy and Aaron Smith, our two best defensive players. But another problem is arguably the pass rush. Yes i said pass rush, and yes im well aware that they are 2nd in the league in sacks with 38. But the pass rush has been fairly inconsistent throughout the duration of a game. Oftentimes you'll notice that they're everywhere, and other times you see little to no penetration. (See>>>Ravens and Raiders game)


Point being, next time, come with your guns loaded before you start flinging shit around :coffee:

ricardisimo
12-09-2009, 04:30 PM
Harrison's been remarkably silent through this down stretch. I think he's earned the right to start "making speeches" or whatever you want to call it. He, RushHard (since the "doghouse"), Troy (when he's been healthy) and Hines (other than his mouth) have been producing.

Who else has been as rock-solid? Timmons, Woodley and Farrior have decent numbers, but they've also missed tackles and overrun plays on numerous occasions, which I have yet to see Harrison do even once.

SteelMember
12-09-2009, 05:22 PM
Didn't you see Gradkowski, emphasis on Gradkowski, outrun him to the edge and get a 10+ yard gain and a 1st down?

Wait, there was a penalty on that, so....

Ya. Harrison's been pretty solid. :chuckle:

ricardisimo
12-09-2009, 05:30 PM
Didn't you see Gradkowski, emphasis on Gradkowski, outrun him to the edge and get a 10+ yard gain and a 1st down?

Wait, there was a penalty on that, so....

Ya. Harrison's been pretty solid. :chuckle:

Ya think? And bear in mind he's being held on every single passing down, and most of the rest as well. I'd be homicidal right now, in his position.

Psyychoward86
12-09-2009, 06:45 PM
Ya think? And bear in mind he's being held on every single passing down, and most of the rest as well. I'd be homicidal right now, in his position.

lol. I know all the steelers fans say it, and even the analysts said it while the raiders game was going on but, whine less?

all great pass rushers get held aplenty

43Hitman
12-09-2009, 07:37 PM
Didn't you see Gradkowski, emphasis on Gradkowski, outrun him to the edge and get a 10+ yard gain and a 1st down?

Wait, there was a penalty on that, so....

Ya. Harrison's been pretty solid. :chuckle:

I guess you missed the HB throw back pass that he blew up.

tmacsteelerfan
12-09-2009, 08:02 PM
Talk is cheap.

Somebody else said last week that we were going to unleash hell in December, and what I saw was more like angels.

stlrtruck
12-10-2009, 08:40 AM
Somebody else said last week that we were going to unleash hell in December, and what I saw was more like angels.

Sorry tmac but I've seen angels hand out more punishment than we saw last week.

The_WARDen
12-10-2009, 08:52 AM
Somebody else said last week that we were going to unleash hell in December, and what I saw was more like angels.

it was more like unleashing the girl scouts...no wait, I've seen girl scouts dish out more punishment than that...usually when 2 cookie tables get too close to one another.

markymarc
12-10-2009, 12:30 PM
I repeat:



until they do what they talk about....it doesn't matter. I've grown deaf to the speeches!

You are absolutely correct! Stop talking about this and that and just do it on the damn football field.

markymarc
12-10-2009, 12:33 PM
I'm not sure what you expect them to say. That "we suck and will not win another game?"

He along with the entire Steeler Nation just expects them to perform at a high level on the football field and learn how to close out games again. The coaches and players have been talking a lot the past 4 weeks and not performing on game days. Just take care of business on the field and they wouldn't have to worry about talking week after week.

steeldawg
12-10-2009, 12:36 PM
He along with the entire Steeler Nation just expects them to perform at a high level on the football field and learn how to close out games again. The coaches and players have been talking a lot the past 4 weeks and not performing on game days. Just take care of business on the field and they wouldn't have to worry about talking week after week.

I agree with this we keep hearing people talk about doing this or changing that but come game day we see the same mistakes being made.

SteelMember
12-10-2009, 01:25 PM
I guess you missed the HB throw back pass that he blew up.

:chuckle:

Yes... I saw that.

I thought my sarcasm was pretty thick in that previous post. Guess it still needs work.

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