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T.Richardson
12-14-2009, 02:00 PM
I been hearing this from every Steeler fan I have met so far this year, you guys expect this team to be like the 70's Steeler teams. Smashmouth football, running the ball down there throats, and a dominating defense. Well this Steeler team is different, and this is a different era.

First off, the team does not have the personnel to run the ball 30 times a game. Mendenhall is not Franco Harris, Barry Foster, Bam Morris, or Jerome Bettis, he isnt a RB who will run up the middle and get those 3 hard earned yards. The team has a guy who needs holes to run through, hes not going to run over guys...Dont expect Smashmouth football, its dead, get over it.

The team has a potiential Elite QB in Ben. Its time to stop pretending this is a smashmouth team, because this team isnt. Back in the Cowher era, when the team would run the ball with Bettis, How many Championships did the Steelers win? How many Superbowls in 10+ years did this team play in? This is a different era, if you guys insist on trying replicate the 70's team, it simply wont work. For example Brady has consistently owned this team, everytime this team faces him, he torches the defense. The Patriots are a pass first team, when they had Dillion, and he rushed for 1600 yards 12 TDS, they were still a pass first team, and they did what? Won the superbowl. The Pats passed the ball and set up the run, which is exactly what the winning formula is in this era, no more of this pretending to be a run first team BS, the team has Ben, the team can pass the ball more.

This defense will never be like the 70's Steelers. Polamalu is the only guy on this defense that is close to the Hall of Fame than anyone on the defense. Harrison isnt Ham, Farrior isnt Lambert, Smith isnt Greenwood, its time to let go of the past, This current team will not be known for defense, it will still be a strong defense, but not nearly as good.

Stop with this bench Ben, start Dixon to see what he's got, the seasons lost, lets give up crap. Play out the season, and finish strong, I do not want this team to give up on the season, there are still 3 games left. how about a 9-7 season? Its not nearly as bad as a 6-10 season, or a 7-9 season. Why give up? All the starters play, Ben plays every single snap, STOP GIVING UP!

Im done.

The_WARDen
12-14-2009, 02:07 PM
While I agree with 99% of your rant...I disagree with the playing hard to go with 9-7 part.

All the does is make us the fans feel good so that we can retort to other fans with "At least they didn't quit" or "They played hard down the stretch" which IMO doesn't amount to hill of beans.

The best thing for the Steelers is to go 6-10 and get the highest draft pick available to better themselves for the future. I'm not saying tank the season but let's see "what the young guys got"....

SteelC7
12-14-2009, 02:14 PM
i gotta say i agree wth the WARDen, i wanna see wat guys like burnett, keenan lewis, hood, and mundy have wen they play the full game, we need a good high draft pick, IMO somebody who can alternate between safety and CB

SteelStang
12-14-2009, 02:34 PM
T, I certainly can't argue with what you are saying as you make a lot of valid points. The NFL is a copy-cat league and right now the fad is to use 2-3 RB's so the idea of a guy running the ball 25 plus times per game is over for the most part.

The question is... Did our offense evolve into this or did we intentionally go with the current pass-first mentality? Even in the days of Ron Erhardt, where we pounded the ball at will, we had a pretty formidable 5-wide set with NOD running the show. You make great points about New England passing to establish the run and I firmly believe that is what BA believes in. Problem is that if you don't have the horses up front, it just isn't going to happen.

We've got the prefect QB, strong set of receivers, and a solid RB to build around. While many, including myself have been less than pleased with BA, let's remember that if he gets canned, that means a whole new offense for EVERYONE to learn, not just Ben. Now perhaps Kenny gets the job and keeps the terminolgy in place while tweaking things to his/their liking, but either way, we have become a team built around our QB and his strength is throwing the ball.

Angus Burgher
12-14-2009, 03:09 PM
Great rant T.R., and I wholeheartedly agree with you. All this crap I keep hearing about "Steeler Football" just makes me scratch my head. The game as a whole has changed and I feel like people still want the Steelers to play it the way it was 30-40 years ago. That makes no sense. You don't carry a musket into a modern war.

As for this playing for the draft stuff... I would MUCH rather see them go 9-7 or at least 8-8 so that they gain some respectability back this season. Even at 9-7, they're still going to get a decent draft spot unless they somehow miraculously make it into the playoffs and make a run for the Super Bowl. But let's not kid ourselves on that one.

There will still be plenty of good draft picks left if they end up somewhere in the middle, and they could always trade up if needed. And considering that, even with the last pick this year, they still made some great picks (Wallace, possibly Hood) and even missed some opportunities (LeSean McCoy), they should be fine picking in the middle.

MaidenIndiana
12-14-2009, 05:05 PM
How anybody can confuse this team with the ones from the 70's is beyond me. The teams from the 70's dominated inferior teams, this one just loses to them. Anybody who watched the disaster that was advertised as being a football game against Cleveland would have to question this teams heart.

wootawnee
12-14-2009, 05:45 PM
Dude don't tell me smashmouth football is dead......Ask the 07 16-0 Pat's if it is......The Giants smashed thier mouth in that superbowl..............What a joke......You all are getting brainwashed by Roger Goddell and his coorporate cronies who want 50 points a game and pantyhose wearing players..........You watch at the end of the year how all this season turns out.........I GUARANTEE a defense will stuff one of these power pass offenses..........

As with the Steelers, they are still in it........This afc is crazy this year and all they need to do is win out.......Then see where they are.........Beleive me the Steelers can still squeak in and be dominant when they get there if they do..........But you know what man......THEY JUST GOT TO GO OUT THERE AND PLAY FOOTBALL.........Forget about all that mental crap and the past and the mum that is going on in the stands.....They get to go and play at Lambeau Field......I mean how cool is that..........Just get out there and hit someone........Feel fortunate that you get to strap on a helmet for a living and have a blast.............That is all there is to it........You just temporary forgot........
COME ON MAN..........

Dino 6 Rings
12-14-2009, 05:55 PM
Dude don't tell me smashmouth football is dead......Ask the 07 16-0 Pat's if it is......The Giants smashed thier mouth in that superbowl..............What a joke......You all are getting brainwashed by Roger Goddell and his coorporate cronies who want 50 points a game and pantyhose wearing players..........You watch at the end of the year how all this season turns out.........I GUARANTEE a defense will stuff one of these power pass offenses..........

As with the Steelers, they are still in it........This afc is crazy this year and all they need to do is win out.......Then see where they are.........Beleive me the Steelers can still squeak in and be dominant when they get there if they do..........But you know what man......THEY JUST GOT TO GO OUT THERE AND PLAY FOOTBALL.........Forget about all that mental crap and the past and the mum that is going on in the stands.....They get to go and play at Lambeau Field......I mean how cool is that..........Just get out there and hit someone........Feel fortunate that you get to strap on a helmet for a living and have a blast.............That is all there is to it........You just temporary forgot........
COME ON MAN..........

I agree, and ask the Colts how many titles they won with their Style? ONE, Just ONE in all the years Mr Manning has been their Throw it around QB and that game against another team that didn't even have a QB under center and Manning didn't have a great game in the Superbowl but didn't need to cause the other team's QB kept throwing the ball to the wrong team.

Giants proved that smashmouth, or at least, a Run First oriented offense does in fact win in the playoffs and can win a Super Bowl.

The Ravens got to the AFC Title game last year with a Rookie QB with a Smashmouth style on offense, this year they have gone away from that and what has happened? (besides their defense just not being the same.)

Not every Team can be the Colts and chuck the ball 70% of the time with their QB calling plays from under center depending on the defense. And remember what happened to the Colts in the playoffs recently. They Lose. Time and Time again they lose. To who?

Chargers last year, Chargers had 167 rushing yards and won. Year prior, the Chargers again.

Running teams can beat passing teams in the Playoffs.

T.Richardson
12-14-2009, 06:05 PM
I agree, and ask the Colts how many titles they won with their Style? ONE, Just ONE in all the years Mr Manning has been their Throw it around QB and that game against another team that didn't even have a QB under center and Manning didn't have a great game in the Superbowl but didn't need to cause the other team's QB kept throwing the ball to the wrong team.

Giants proved that smashmouth, or at least, a Run First oriented offense does in fact win in the playoffs and can win a Super Bowl.

The Ravens got to the AFC Title game last year with a Rookie QB with a Smashmouth style on offense, this year they have gone away from that and what has happened? (besides their defense just not being the same.)

Not every Team can be the Colts and chuck the ball 70% of the time with their QB calling plays from under center depending on the defense. And remember what happened to the Colts in the playoffs recently. They Lose. Time and Time again they lose. To who?

Chargers last year, Chargers had 167 rushing yards and won. Year prior, the Chargers again.

Running teams can beat passing teams in the Playoffs.

In the Cowher era, how many times has the Steelers made the superbowl? in 10+ years?

stillers4me
12-14-2009, 06:06 PM
How do you all think the Bengals are winning this year? Not with Carson's arm, that's for sure. They built a running game specifically designed to beat US and win the division.

pancake
12-14-2009, 06:11 PM
While I agree with 99% of your rant...I disagree with the playing hard to go with 9-7 part.

All the does is make us the fans feel good so that we can retort to other fans with "At least they didn't quit" or "They played hard down the stretch" which IMO doesn't amount to hill of beans.

The best thing for the Steelers is to go 6-10 and get the highest draft pick available to better themselves for the future. I'm not saying tank the season but let's see "what the young guys got"....

:thumbsup: 9-7 and 6-10, both will miss the playoffs, but 6-10 could be picking 8 or 9 pick higher in the draft. I want that higher pick...

Dino 6 Rings
12-14-2009, 06:12 PM
in fact...lets look at Superbowl Winning teams in the actual Superbowl.

Steelers win over Cardinals, Steelers with More Rushing Yards
Giants win over Patriots, Giants with More Rushing Yards
Colts win over the Bears, COLTS with More Rushing Yards
Steelers win over Seahawks, Steelers with more Rushing yards
Patriots win over Eagles, Patriots with more rushing yards
Patriots win over Panthers, Patriots with more rushing yards
Bucs over Raiders, Bucs with more rushing yards
Patriots win over Rams, Patriots with more rushing yards
Ravens win over Giants, Ravens with more rushing yards
Rams win over Titans, Titans with more rushing yards.

So you have to go back 10 years to find a team that lost which also had more rushing yards in the biggest game of the year.

Denver over Atlanta, Atlanta had more rushing yards in the loss
Denver over Greenbay, Denvery had more rushing yards in the win
Dallas win over Pittsburgh, Steelers had more rushing yards in the loss
49ers over Chargers, Niners with more rushing yards
Dallas over Buffalo, Dallas with more rushing yards
Dallas over Buffalo, Dallas with more rushing yards
Redskins over Buffalo, Redskins with more rushing yards
Giants over Buffalo, Giants with more rushing yards

Its clear to me, that having an effective rushing attack, tends to lead to more victories in the biggest games.

Dino 6 Rings
12-14-2009, 06:17 PM
In the Cowher era, how many times has the Steelers made the superbowl? in 10+ years?

2 times. And got to lots of AFC Title games and lost to really good teams. But not because of a lack of a running game. It was usually a passing mistake that cost us the games.

Kordell INTs against Denver, Ben Ints against Patriots, Odennell Int against Dallas, I mean really, We Failed trying to pass the ball in the big games when really, we should have stuck with our bread and butter and ran the effing ball more.

Crow-Magnon
12-14-2009, 06:20 PM
in fact...lets look at Superbowl Winning teams in the actual Superbowl.

Steelers win over Cardinals, Steelers with More Rushing Yards
Giants win over Patriots, Giants with More Rushing Yards
Colts win over the Bears, COLTS with More Rushing Yards
Steelers win over Seahawks, Steelers with more Rushing yards
Patriots win over Eagles, Patriots with more rushing yards
Patriots win over Panthers, Patriots with more rushing yards
Bucs over Raiders, Bucs with more rushing yards
Patriots win over Rams, Patriots with more rushing yards
Ravens win over Giants, Ravens with more rushing yards
Rams win over Titans, Titans with more rushing yards.

So you have to go back 10 years to find a team that lost which also had more rushing yards in the biggest game of the year.

Denver over Atlanta, Atlanta had more rushing yards in the loss
Denver over Greenbay, Denvery had more rushing yards in the win
Dallas win over Pittsburgh, Steelers had more rushing yards in the loss
49ers over Chargers, Niners with more rushing yards
Dallas over Buffalo, Dallas with more rushing yards
Dallas over Buffalo, Dallas with more rushing yards
Redskins over Buffalo, Redskins with more rushing yards
Giants over Buffalo, Giants with more rushing yards

Its clear to me, that having an effective rushing attack, tends to lead to more victories in the biggest games.

IMO, a great rushing attack and a crushing defense will win more big games than passing the football will.

Angus Burgher
12-14-2009, 06:34 PM
I think that some of you are misinterpreting what some of us are saying. Well, what I'm saying anyway... I can't speak for anyone else. I don't want them to completely ABANDON the run. A balanced attack is fine by me... if it works. Citing the last Super Bowl as a reference to why we should be run-dominant makes no sense. NEITHER team ran effectively in that game. The only time either offense got the job done, it was because of pass plays.

My complaint is against people who think we should do nothing but run. We have a great QB... he's won a lot of games for us. He does put points on the board (let's just forget about Thursday for a moment). If we can improve our running game, then definitely balance the offense. Otherwise, keep throwing it or we're going to get shut out every game.

wootawnee
12-14-2009, 06:35 PM
All right man..........I knew you guys were still there..........Just go out and play ball the rest of the year cause it is fun to do..........Its fun to go out and coach too.........It's a big party, so go hang loose and have some fun........And hit someone cause it feels good in the cold to hit..........

That is football my children.......Always was....Always will be......

And if Goodell tries to change it, we will make a congressional board of ex-players to make sure it doesn't.......Simple as that......

T.Richardson
12-14-2009, 08:30 PM
Did I not state that the Patriots used the running game, I said Corey Dillon rushed for 1600 yards, and 12 TDs, and im not saying to abandon the run, im saying this isnt a run first team, and it shouldnt be, it should be a pass first team, which sets up the run, like what the Pats did in '04 when they won the superbowl.

And since the Steelers have a great QB, the OC, or Coach should use him more often.

devilsdancefloor
12-14-2009, 09:07 PM
Did I not state that the Patriots used the running game, I said Corey Dillon rushed for 1600 yards, and 12 TDs, and im not saying to abandon the run, im saying this isnt a run first team, and it shouldnt be, it should be a pass first team, which sets up the run, like what the Pats did in '04 when they won the superbowl.

And since the Steelers have a great QB, the OC, or Coach should use him more often.

problem is our OC runs when he should pass and pass when he should run. Honestly throwing the ball in sept & oct is great, but once it gets cold if you cant run forget it. I have stood up for BA many many times, but it has become painfully obvious he gets caught up in "this is my offense" and not taking what the defense gives him. Honest the bengals are playing our game and winning i havent looked but i am guessing palmer hasnt throw for more than 250 yards all season. the browns Beat us by RUNNNING it down our throat and not letting up. The reason why we are losing games is because we are not playing physical on ANY phase of the game.

T.Richardson
12-20-2009, 06:02 PM
Hey..whaddya know.. passing the ball got the Steelers 21 points at the half, against a really good Packers defense.