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zulater
12-14-2009, 10:43 PM
In a sense you could make the case that his poor game in Chicago set in motion the wheels of negativity that have been rolling over this team ever since. And I know he's as poor of kickoff man is there is in the league. And yes his tackling on kickoffs is a disaster. But all that said I still want Reed back in 2010. Since the debacle in Chicago, Reed hasn't missed a field goal attempt inside of 50 yards. Pretty good for someone who plays half his games in Heinz.

steel9guy
12-14-2009, 10:46 PM
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He had 1 bad game. He's a clutch performer and I'd hate to lose him despite the off field problems.

Nadroj 20
12-14-2009, 10:46 PM
Reed is a great kicker, i would like to see him back in B&G.....that being said i just dont know if he will be, he may want more $ then we'll be willing to pay :noidea:

Psyychoward86
12-14-2009, 10:55 PM
Id like him back, but one more off-field incident and he should get the boot. I dont think it's gonna happen though, we tried negotiating a contract, and his agent thinks he's not being offered nearly enough money...

Preacher
12-14-2009, 11:18 PM
Id like him back, but one more off-field incident and he should get the boot. I dont think it's gonna happen though, we tried negotiating a contract, and his agent thinks he's not being offered nearly enough money...

for his ability to kick at Hienz Field, I would love him back. Back the fact he can't put the ball into the endzone...and the fact that he keeps getting into off-feild incidents make me hesitant.

SH-Rock
12-14-2009, 11:25 PM
Get a new special teams coach and teach him how to tackle!!!!

pepsyman1
12-14-2009, 11:40 PM
At this point, I'd really like to look at moving on to another kicker. Reed has done a good job for us, but his lack of distance on kickoffs is really an issue and he doesn't have great range for field goals either.

Galax Steeler
12-15-2009, 04:03 AM
I would like to have him back because he is a clutch 99% of the time. I just wish we had someone who could kick off deeper.

srk173
12-15-2009, 05:26 AM
Bring Reed back and cut Logan. Bring in a kick off specialist who can kick it into the end zone every time. I think Reed gets one there once every other game which is unacceptable.

WeegiesWarriors
12-15-2009, 05:32 AM
NO!! I watch high school kids get better distance on kickoffs. Plus he's only money inside 40 yards. Between 40-50 he's average, and beyond 50 I have no confidence at all. The kicking at Heinz Field thing is a myth that was born under "Merry Kris-Miss Brown". Unless the field is a mudhole on a particular day there isn't anything any more negative in kicking in Heinz vs any other outdoor northern stadium. We just had a bad kicker at the beginning of Heinz Field that started that whole nonsense.

I want somebody who can get better distance on kickoffs. IMO, you can find another guy that can be money inside the 40 like paper towel boy.

HometownGal
12-15-2009, 05:38 AM
Most definitely I want Skippy back as he is pretty much a clutch kicker for us. However, if he doesn't bring his price down a bit, he's going to have to take his hefty pricetag elsewhere, sadly.

His antics off the field are a bit stupid, but I don't factor them in here as they are misdemeanors.

plenewken
12-15-2009, 06:02 AM
No. He's one of the lousiest kick-off kickers in the League. Check his stats. Remember his total lack of effort on 2 kick-off returns for TD? Ok he's a good FG kicker from 40 yds down. So what? Lots of guys do the same.
He's not worth 1/2 of what he thinks he's worth.

arge5809
12-15-2009, 06:03 AM
Bring Reed back and cut Logan. Bring in a kick off specialist who can kick it into the end zone every time. I think Reed gets one there once every other game which is unacceptable. :bs:


Why would you want to cut Logan????? He has done more for the special teams than anyone else on the team.. Mewelde Moore can not even come close on returns!!! We have not had such a good return man in years!

Return Statistics Kickoffs
NAME - YDS - AVG - LNG
Stefan Logan - 1175 - 26.7 - 83
Mewelde Moore - 44 - 11.0 - 13


Most definitely I want Skippy back as he is pretty much a clutch kicker for us. However, if he doesn't bring his price down a bit, he's going to have to take his hefty pricetag elsewhere, sadly.

His antics off the field are a bit stupid, but I don't factor them in here as they are misdemeanors.

:thmbdown:

I would agree with the towel holder incident as being a "bit stupid", but assaulting a Police officer is not "a bit stupid"... Reed should be let go and they should bring in another kicker. Maybe Piotr Czech, if I recall he didn't do too bad in the preseason.

If we had a kicker who could put the ball into the endzone and even get a little more hang time, our special teams would show a HUGE improvement. They have to run full out to get downfield because "Skippy" kicks line drives and then they run right by the ball carrier becasue they had to go a full tilt to get downfield so fast.

Just my .... :twocents:

:tt03: :tt02: :tt04:

BlastFurnace
12-15-2009, 06:21 AM
I want him back

HometownGal
12-15-2009, 06:35 AM
:thmbdown:

I would agree with the towel holder incident as being a "bit stupid", but assaulting a Police officer is not "a bit stupid"... Reed should be let go and they should bring in another kicker. Maybe Piotr Czech, if I recall he didn't do too bad in the preseason.

If we had a kicker who could put the ball into the endzone and even get a little more hang time, our special teams would show a HUGE improvement. They have to run full out to get downfield because "Skippy" kicks line drives and then they run right by the ball carrier becasue they had to go a full tilt to get downfield so fast.

Just my .... :twocents:

:tt03: :tt02: :tt04:

If Reed was a murderer (like Stabbit Ray), a woman beater (names withheld) or a druggie, I could understand your replusion for him. He isn't the first Steeler to get into trouble off the field and he won't be the last, but as I said - he was charged with misdemeanors, paid the fines and has kept his nose clean since.

I don't think our ST's performance, i.e. missed tackles and not finishing tackles, this season has much to do with Skippy's leg and you are grasping at straws here imho. Just my :twocents:

Kaeg
12-15-2009, 06:35 AM
I'm not really sure what I want when it comes to Reed. I guess I wouldn't mind him back , but only if the price goes down. I don't understand some of the anti-Logan comments I see around here sometimes. I think he's been really good. I know there were high expectations about him taking it to the house about 15 times(sarcasm) this year, but he's been solid. I was kind of hoping we'd see him as a change of pace at RB a few times this year too.

SteelStang
12-15-2009, 06:40 AM
No.:wave:

X-Terminator
12-15-2009, 06:41 AM
:thmbdown:

I would agree with the towel holder incident as being a "bit stupid", but assaulting a Police officer is not "a bit stupid"

When did Reed assault a police officer? :noidea:

And for those who want to see him gone...talk to me the first time the new guy misses a clutch kick or 2 or 3. Ask a Ravens or Texans fan if they think having a clutch kicker is important. Hauschka was so bad that the Ravens cut him and signed Billy Cundiff off the street. How Kris Brown still has a job is beyond me - the Texans lost 2 games this season because he missed very makeable FGs with the game on the line and he has cost them multiple games over the years with missed FGs. And he plays 9 of his games in a dome! Yes, I want Reed back in 2010, but NOT at the price tag he wants. If he won't budge, then let him go.

Spidey
12-15-2009, 07:11 AM
Jeff's problem is kick-off's, he'll want too much as well, so we'll let him go.

Might not be such a bad thing, . . . as whoever we get to replace him, initially won't have the confidence of the offense to convert, so they will have to take it upon themselves to actually score aTD instead, that would be nice!

plenewken
12-15-2009, 07:35 AM
When did Reed assault a police officer? :noidea:

And for those who want to see him gone...talk to me the first time the new guy misses a clutch kick or 2 or 3. Ask a Ravens or Texans fan if they think having a clutch kicker is important. Hauschka was so bad that the Ravens cut him and signed Billy Cundiff off the street. How Kris Brown still has a job is beyond me - the Texans lost 2 games this season because he missed very makeable FGs with the game on the line and he has cost them multiple games over the years with missed FGs. And he plays 9 of his games in a dome! Yes, I want Reed back in 2010, but NOT at the price tag he wants. If he won't budge, then let him go.

What 'bout Reed's 2 missed FGs in Chicago? They clearly cost us the game. This alone is not a reason to cut him but his kick-offs are not good enough and he wants too much money anyway.
Bye bye ..................

X-Terminator
12-15-2009, 08:52 AM
What 'bout Reed's 2 missed FGs in Chicago? They clearly cost us the game. This alone is not a reason to cut him but his kick-offs are not good enough and he wants too much money anyway.
Bye bye ..................

What about them? To me, it's a rare hiccup in a career strewn with clutch kick after clutch kick. I'm certainly not going to continually bludgeon him over the head over them and develop selective amnesia like others here have done and continue to do.

BlastFurnace
12-15-2009, 09:18 AM
What about them? To me, it's a rare hiccup in a career strewn with clutch kick after clutch kick. I'm certainly not going to continually bludgeon him over the head over them and develop selective amnesia like others here have done and continue to do.

I agree with you. Reed has been a great kicker for us and I hope we can keep him.

The only thing that makes me wonder is his off field issues. The Rooney's may not want him around because of that.

SC Gamecokk
12-15-2009, 09:40 AM
Bring Reed back and cut Logan. Bring in a kick off specialist who can kick it into the end zone every time. I think Reed gets one there once every other game which is unacceptable.

exactly what I was going to say if it hadn't been mentioned. EXACTLY what they need to do!!! :applaudit:

steelerchad
12-15-2009, 09:53 AM
exactly what I was going to say if it hadn't been mentioned. EXACTLY what they need to do!!! :applaudit:



I don't know. Do you really need to waste a roster spot on a guy that just kicks off? If we could be guaranteed a touchback every time, maybe. But we're probably talking about a guy who gets it to the goalline everytime instead of the 8 or 10.
The kickoffs stuck out like a sore thumb this year because of all of the TD returns. But last year coverage wasn't a problem and Reed was our kicker then as well. In fact, our coverage in 08 was great all year.

I'm not a fan of having 2 kickers on the roster. I'd rather have another fast backup linebacker, like a Fox who can makes consistent tackles on special teams.

SC Gamecokk
12-15-2009, 10:17 AM
I don't know. Do you really need to waste a roster spot on a guy that just kicks off? If we could be guaranteed a touchback every time, maybe. But we're probably talking about a guy who gets it to the goalline everytime instead of the 8 or 10.
The kickoffs stuck out like a sore thumb this year because of all of the TD returns. But last year coverage wasn't a problem and Reed was our kicker then as well. In fact, our coverage in 08 was great all year.

I'm not a fan of having 2 kickers on the roster. I'd rather have another fast backup linebacker, like a Fox who can makes consistent tackles on special teams.

I kept saying last year that we needed to draft Ryan Succop. And that wasn't me being a homer, the guy truly is a great kicker and has a friggin' CANNON for a leg!!!

SteelGhost
12-15-2009, 10:29 AM
Mixed feelings here. I know he's been clutch in HF and other stadiums in bad weather and I appreciate his effort. OTOH, misdemeanors or not, I don't like his off-field behavior, besides he wanted a lot of money to re-sign.

I will trust the FO, if they offered "X" amount of money they had a reason to do so, maybe if they thought Reed was worth the expense, they had offered him more green :noidea:

If the FO decides to keep him, it would be nice to take a look at DSep practicing kick-offs, I'm tired of Jeff's short an low kick-offs, IMHO it has contributed to the poor ST performance overall.

My .02

steelreserve
12-15-2009, 10:31 AM
At the beginning of the season, I would've said he's indispensable. Now, I'm not so sure.

At this point, I only want him back if 1) He doesn't demand any more money than he's already making, and 2) Someone else can handle kickoffs.

We really cannot afford any more of this shit where the opponents are fielding kickoffs at the 15-yard line, meeting our coverage team at the 30 and getting tackled at the 40 if we're lucky. We're almost better off doing a squib kick or kicking the ball out of bounds every time.

So in other words, unless Sepulveda knows how to kick off, I'm all in favor of finding someone else. There are other decent kickers out there. All we need is one who's above-average, and I can live with it.

SC Gamecokk
12-15-2009, 10:40 AM
anybody know who some of the college studs are this year coming out?

SteelerEmpire
12-15-2009, 11:09 AM
He's usually a good kicker. But he could take some pointers from the punter, Sepulveda, on how to tackle the returner. Sepulveda has no problem with tackling, as was demonstrated during a return in the Browns game, Reed should also not have a problem. As the 11th man on the field, its part of his job... But I think there are better kickers out there than Reed.

Hayeksheroes
12-15-2009, 11:13 AM
Yes, it he can learn to kick the ball out of the endzone on kickoffs.

Hayeksheroes
12-15-2009, 11:14 AM
Oh, if he can unlearn how to tackle like a girl.

bigjamesharrison2
12-15-2009, 11:17 AM
NOOOOOOOOO! He is so terrible! He gives absolutely no effort and is a drunken fool who likes beating up paper towel dispensers! Sign Chad Ochocinco to be our kicker!

arge5809
12-15-2009, 11:42 AM
I don't think our ST's performance, i.e. missed tackles and not finishing tackles, this season has much to do with Skippy's leg and you are grasping at straws here imho. Just my :twocents:

Sure it does, they miss tackles because the have to run down the field at full throttle to get there with the ball that was just kicked in a low arc line drive.....

:doh:

Atranox
12-15-2009, 11:55 AM
Don't really care. In past years, he's always been clutch.

This year, I'm fed up with his short kickoffs and pathetic attempts at tacking. I don't expect our kicker to make tackles (nor should he have to do it), but what should be expected is EFFORT, which he gave none of.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-15-2009, 12:03 PM
I think we are at a point with Skippy in which the combination of his behavior...his bloated opinion of his worth, and his decent but declining skills point towards his being let go.

Personally I have no problem with that. I think the easiest person for a team to replace is the kicker. Heck its even easier to replace a Punter than a kicker. Skippy's suicide note was his refusal to sign a fair contract with the Steelers, and subsequent arrogant attitude towards authority.

His name should have been on the contract...not in the headlines.

stlrtruck
12-15-2009, 12:40 PM
I've enjoyed having Skippy but as of recent, he's had even worse kickoffs and that doesn't bode well for our STs. In spite of his recent off the field issues, there's more at hand here. It seems he's starting to lose some of his power in his leg (maybe I'm wrong). While I'm on the fence if he should go, I do hope they bring in some serious competition for him at camp and let him prove his value.

surcalifero
12-15-2009, 12:53 PM
We should keep him. If we let him go then who is going to replace him. For those who are oppose to keeping him, are u guys willing to use a draft pick on a kicker and have him mess up the 2010 season. Are u going to look into the free agent market?

steelpride12
12-15-2009, 12:56 PM
This was a tough subject for me. Skippy has done a lot for the team over the years. Used to be reliable def. at Heinz Field. It just seems with his off field blunders, his poor kickoff abilities, and coverage on the kickoffs it could possibly be time for him to go.
Mainly for the money he is asking for. His performance is declining, but I would never forget how clutch he was for us and the great kicker as well.

Borski
12-15-2009, 01:04 PM
I think after his bad game in Chicago and off the field incidents I don't think anyone would pay the price he was asking. That said I think he is the best fit for this team and I trust him to nail it whenever he lines up.

truesteelerfan
12-15-2009, 01:09 PM
Yes I want him back, but not if he's going to be unreasonable as far as how much he should be paid. His name doesn't yet come up with the elite kickers, even if he is the best I've seen yet at our home field.....future kickers will have as much time to practice at Hinez as Reed does, and they'll be good also. Make him a fair offer, if he doesn't like it, he can play someplace like Washington where he'll get paid, and never contend.

SteelMember
12-15-2009, 01:13 PM
Yes. For the same contract he was offered this spring. Anything more... No.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-15-2009, 01:33 PM
We should keep him. If we let him go then who is going to replace him. For those who are oppose to keeping him, are u guys willing to use a draft pick on a kicker and have him mess up the 2010 season. Are u going to look into the free agent market?

The Chiefs drafted Ryan Succop last year...here is a comparison of the Chiefs Rookie vs. Reed.

Succop:19-23 FG's 82.6%
Reed : 18-22 for 81.8%

Succop: 8-8 within 30 yards
Reed: 4-4 within 30 yards

Succop: 4-4 within 40 yards
Reed: 10-11 within 40 yards

Succop: 5-6 within 50 yards
Reed: 3-4 within 50 yards

Succop: 2-5 at 50+
Reed: 0-2 at 50+

Keep in mind that Succop would be the 3rd or 4th best Kicker of the 2010 class. Leigh Tiffan, Brett Swenson and Aaron Pettrey are all ranked higher than Succop...coming out of college.

steelcity1974
12-15-2009, 01:36 PM
Chicago was not his only bad game! Why did he miss that 53 yarder v Raiders? Because he has no leg! And his shorts kickoffs contribute to our special teams debacles. His off-field antics are an embarassment...what NFL player gets arrested for being drunk less than 8 hours after a game? Idiot. Cut him.

HometownGal
12-15-2009, 01:37 PM
Sure it does, they miss tackles because the have to run down the field at full throttle to get there with the ball that was just kicked in a low arc line drive.....

:doh:

These are paid professionals, not some pee wee or high school ST unit. They should run down the field "full throttle" on each and every kickoff and punt. :doh: :doh:

Glace
12-15-2009, 01:40 PM
I want reed back...it's usually a guarantee with him...he won quite a few games for us. (even though he potentially lost some this year)

He doesn't have the deepest kickoffs, but he gets good hangtime on them. If we had proper ST's play this year, we'd still be tackling guys at or short of the 20.

vasteeler
12-15-2009, 01:55 PM
Chicago was not his only bad game! Why did he miss that 53 yarder v Raiders? Because he has no leg! And his shorts kickoffs contribute to our special teams debacles. His off-field antics are an embarassment...what NFL player gets arrested for being drunk less than 8 hours after a game? Idiot. Cut him.

your upset about missing a 53 yarder :doh::doh::doh:

ricardisimo
12-15-2009, 02:12 PM
If he can get himself into a recovery program, stay out of Quik-E-Marts, and keep his name off of the Douche List (http://www.hotchickswithdouchebags.com/2008/04/breaking-pittsburgh-steelers-kicker.html), then I'd say he's welcome back.

Otherwise, his career and his life will probably start a downward spiral, which I would rather not see televised, thank you very much.

SteelerFanInStl
12-15-2009, 03:09 PM
I have mixed feelings about Reed. He's arguably the worst kickoff kicker in the NFL with only 1 touchback in 61 kickoffs. That's terrible. He just doesn't have the leg for kickoffs any more. He's 18 of 22 on FGs for 82%, which is low average for the league but 2 of those misses were from 50+. He also doesn't have the leg to hit those 50+ yarders any more. Kicking in Heinz is difficult so I don't expect him to compare with dome kickers.

I'm fine with keeping him as the FG kicker (at a reasonable contract rate) as long as they bring in someone for kickoffs.

Burghfan58
12-15-2009, 04:38 PM
No. Time to move on. First... he wants to much money for the skills he has. Second... lack of distance on kickoffs is disturbing. Third...Off field issues. Fourth...Time to get off to a fresh start in 2010.

LVSteelersfan
12-15-2009, 04:57 PM
Hey, Gary Anderson was a clutch kicker for us for years. But he could not stay here forever. Jeff Reed is not worth the kind of money his agent wants. I don't know why he seems to think other teams want a kicker that can't kick the ball inside the 15 yard line. If his agent (and I think it is all about his agent) doesn't loosen the demand, Reed will be lucky to have a job anywhere next year. Big deal, we have a kicker who can make a 40 or less yards field goal. Reed will be gone next year only if his contract demands are too steep in my opinion, but I am ambivalent on whether I care if he comes or goes. Those short kickoffs irritate me to no end.

SteelGhost
12-15-2009, 05:34 PM
I want reed back...it's usually a guarantee with him...he won quite a few games for us. (even though he potentially lost some this year)

He doesn't have the deepest kickoffs, but he gets good hangtime on them. If we had proper ST's play this year, we'd still be tackling guys at or short of the 20.

IMHO (and some other posters as I've read before) Reed's kick-offs are short and low :noidea: . If they had good hang time, the KRs would ask for fair catch more often instead of returning for a bunch of yards or even TDs :doh:, but I respect your opinion :thumbsup:

Preacher
12-15-2009, 06:27 PM
The Chiefs drafted Ryan Succop last year...here is a comparison of the Chiefs Rookie vs. Reed.

Succop:19-23 FG's 82.6%
Reed : 18-22 for 81.8%

Succop: 8-8 within 30 yards
Reed: 4-4 within 30 yards

Succop: 4-4 within 40 yards
Reed: 10-11 within 40 yards

Succop: 5-6 within 50 yards
Reed: 3-4 within 50 yards

Succop: 2-5 at 50+
Reed: 0-2 at 50+

Keep in mind that Succop would be the 3rd or 4th best Kicker of the 2010 class. Leigh Tiffan, Brett Swenson and Aaron Pettrey are all ranked higher than Succop...coming out of college.


That's nothing. What can Succop do with a towel dispenser? That is the REAL question.

steeltheone
12-15-2009, 08:23 PM
this kickoff problem is nothing new. I guess it was the losing that made people notice more.

Glace
12-15-2009, 09:17 PM
There's really only a handful of kickers in the NFL that can consistently put it into the endzone and make 50+ yard field goals with decent accuracy.

I know the kicking game is important, but I'm not going to get all bent out of shape that Reed isn't the best in the league.

devilsdancefloor
12-15-2009, 09:34 PM
Chicago was not his only bad game! Why did he miss that 53 yarder v Raiders? Because he has no leg! And his shorts kickoffs contribute to our special teams debacles. His off-field antics are an embarassment...what NFL player gets arrested for being drunk less than 8 hours after a game? Idiot. Cut him.

um because it was at heinz field.... stronger legged kickers have missed from shorter distances in the burgh. (the record is 50 yards skippy & bironis i think hold the record).

The Chiefs drafted Ryan Succop last year...here is a comparison of the Chiefs Rookie vs. Reed.

Succop:19-23 FG's 82.6%
Reed : 18-22 for 81.8%

Succop: 8-8 within 30 yards
Reed: 4-4 within 30 yards

Succop: 4-4 within 40 yards
Reed: 10-11 within 40 yards

Succop: 5-6 within 50 yards
Reed: 3-4 within 50 yards

Succop: 2-5 at 50+
Reed: 0-2 at 50+

Keep in mind that Succop would be the 3rd or 4th best Kicker of the 2010 class. Leigh Tiffan, Brett Swenson and Aaron Pettrey are all ranked higher than Succop...coming out of college.


honestly i dont think you can compare succop since he kicks at arrowhead and they have a different surface & conditions. just my 2 copper pieces

steelcity1974
12-16-2009, 08:28 AM
your upset about missing a 53 yarder :doh::doh::doh:

Absolutely. We needed it. Tell me when he has made one beyond 50 yards?

kittenfantastico76
12-16-2009, 08:32 AM
I like Jeff Reed and I'd hate to see him go. However, I wouldn't mind if the Steelers picked up a graduating Senior from the University of Alabama named Lee Tiffin #99 - I love that kid! I've had a few nights in this past year where he was getting all my praise during the games. He'd be a nice rookie edition to the team.

steelcity1974
12-16-2009, 08:33 AM
[QUOTE=devilsdancefloor;731683]um because it was at heinz field.... stronger legged kickers have missed from shorter distances in the burgh. (the record is 50 yards skippy & bironis i think hold the record).


Terrible excuse. Gravity is the same at Heinz field as it is everywhere else. you want to blame it on swriling winds? Give me a break. He is 6 for 13 from 50+ in his career...not all of those were at Heinz Field.

Rick5895
12-16-2009, 08:44 AM
Having a kicker who is money, from anywhere on the field is important. But so is field position. Reed is good inside 40 yards Which means the ball has to get to the 23, but not much outside of it. I am not a great supporter of Reed, and contrary to opinions of others making tackles is part of the job description. Sepulvada is a kicker, I don't see him whiffing when the opportunity arises. Norm Johnson was a pretty damned good tackler too. All that being said, the reason not to have him back HE WANTS TOO DAMN MUCH MONEY!!!

devilsdancefloor
12-16-2009, 08:49 AM
[QUOTE=devilsdancefloor;731683]um because it was at heinz field.... stronger legged kickers have missed from shorter distances in the burgh. (the record is 50 yards skippy & bironis i think hold the record).


Terrible excuse. Gravity is the same at Heinz field as it is everywhere else. you want to blame it on swriling winds? Give me a break. He is 6 for 13 from 50+ in his career...not all of those were at Heinz Field.

You are correct gravity is the same, but tell me why all the visiting kickers havent made one over 50 yards. whatever goes on blame it on the field or winds or whatever. But the fact is NO one has kick on over 50 yards at heinz. Sounds liek you are one of the fans that would rather have a kicker got 2 of 3 or 2of 4 as long as he can make a 53 yard field goal. the focus should be on not that he didnt make a 53 yard FG, but why didnt we get a TD IMHO.

Glace
12-16-2009, 09:43 AM
Terrible excuse. Gravity is the same at Heinz field as it is everywhere else. you want to blame it on swriling winds? Give me a break. He is 6 for 13 from 50+ in his career...not all of those were at Heinz Field.

Not a terrible excuse. As devil said...NOBODY has kicked over 50 yards at Heinz.

NOBODY....

Getting upset because Reed missed a 53 yard FG there is a waste of emotions.

If anything, I'm glad Tomlin let him try.

steelballs
12-16-2009, 10:05 AM
Reed's ability to make field goals is very good....my problem is with his kick-offs.

The first kick-off will go to the goal line, the second to the 10, the third might make it to the 20 if you're lucky....and this is when he isn't "pooching" the kick.

I don't understand this descending return on kick-offs, you can't tell me that each kick takes that much out of his leg....they're friggin' tree trunks for goodness sake. I hear that Sepulveda can boom kick-offs and we all know he can tackle as he's shown way too much this season.... unfortunately. Why can't we take advantage of this 2 for 1 deal?

To answer the question though, yes I'd like Jeff back, but only if the Steelers find an alternative to his sorry kick-off average.

Bobby_Walden
12-16-2009, 10:14 AM
No. Let him urinate elsewhere.

fat4jc
12-16-2009, 12:33 PM
Chicago was not his only bad game! Why did he miss that 53 yarder v Raiders? Because he has no leg! And his shorts kickoffs contribute to our special teams debacles. His off-field antics are an embarassment...what NFL player gets arrested for being drunk less than 8 hours after a game? Idiot. Cut him.


You do realize he had enough leg on that kick, right? It was just wide-left.
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(15:00) (Field Goal formation) 3-J.Reed 53 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-60-G.Warren, Holder-9-D.Sepulveda.

I've defended Reed alot this year, especially after the Chicago game. If he's willing to take the same contract we offered earlier, then I'd love to have him back.

steelerdave1969
12-16-2009, 12:37 PM
I like Reed my self, but it seems like he needs to put the partying behind him and grow up. Besides he kicks pretty well in Heinz Field and he knows how those swirling winds are up there... I say keep him, but dont Over Pay him. Daniel Sepulveda has kind of dissapointed me, he did alot better before his injury.

HometownGal
12-16-2009, 01:32 PM
The only thing that makes me wonder is his off field issues. The Rooney's may not want him around because of that.

Both of which were misdemeanors. Silverback and Santo were accused of beating women (both cases which were settled 'out of Court') and the Rooneys gave each of them a second chance. I don't believe the Rooneys will even factor in those 2 minor scrapes with the law. I DO believe they will look at his final price tag, see if they can fit it into their budget and if they can't, unfortunately we'll lose him.

Acerinox
12-16-2009, 02:47 PM
I think we all agree.
He has been clutch. The towel dispenser and the peeing don't matter actually. The Bears game is forgiveable.
But three million dollars?
Not for a man who can't go the whole 70 yards (literally) on Kick Off.

JEFF4i
12-16-2009, 04:44 PM
Both of which were misdemeanors. Silverback and Santo were accused of beating women (both cases which were settled 'out of Court') and the Rooneys gave each of them a second chance. I don't believe the Rooneys will even factor in those 2 minor scrapes with the law. I DO believe they will look at his final price tag, see if they can fit it into their budget and if they can't, unfortunately we'll lose him.

Of which he is not found guilty of yet. In the interest of fairness, if we all speak as if Ben's innocent, Reed deserves the same.

I want him around. He's been strong for us through the years, two missed field goals may frustrate me, but not enough to fire the guy. Not like that, when he has a resume of delivering.

SteelersinCA
12-16-2009, 04:50 PM
We need our veterans to be leaders, apparently, and Jeff Reed is not a leader. He isn;t that good that we need to deal with his problems. I say let him go.

JEFF4i
12-16-2009, 05:02 PM
We need our veterans to be leaders, apparently, and Jeff Reed is not a leader. He isn;t that good that we need to deal with his problems. I say let him go.

Isn't that good? Huh?

Tomlin's made him try 2 kicks of over 50 yards. If you don't count those (which honestly I think should have an * as far as statistics go) he has a 90% completion rate. Both of which he had the leg for, but missed because of accuracy. That said, accuracy has been a bit weak. Mind you, those 2 other misses came against the Bears. Which like we've said, can be tolerated, kickers have an off game.

Other than that, he has delivered and will continue to. Remember last year? OTs?

If his behavior turns out to be true, hopefully he will clean it up. But he's done what we've asked him to.

LVSteelersfan
12-16-2009, 05:30 PM
Isn't that good? Huh?

Tomlin's made him try 2 kicks of over 50 yards. If you don't count those (which honestly I think should have an * as far as statistics go) he has a 90% completion rate. Both of which he had the leg for, but missed because of accuracy. That said, accuracy has been a bit weak. Mind you, those 2 other misses came against the Bears. Which like we've said, can be tolerated, kickers have an off game.

Other than that, he has delivered and will continue to. Remember last year? OTs?

If his behavior turns out to be true, hopefully he will clean it up. But he's done what we've asked him to.

I am not that worried about his off field antics personally. Boys will be boys when they go out and get drunk. It is stupid but not worth getting fired over. I hate those kickoffs but he has made a lot of game winning field goals in his career. I just don't think he is worth the money his agent is asking for. If they can hash out a decent contract, I think he will be back next season. If not, don't let the door hit you in the behind on the way out to playing in the indoor football league. I doubt anyone else wants a kicker who consistently gives the other team poor field position on line drive kickoffs to the 10-15 yard lines. :banging: Most of the other kickers I have seen at least get it to the 5 on a consistent basis. He will have to be replaced eventually. It remains to be seen if the Rooneys want to send him packing this year or not.

lamberts-lost-tooth
12-16-2009, 05:36 PM
Of which he is not found guilty of yet. In the interest of fairness, if we all speak as if Ben's innocent, Reed deserves the same.

I want him around. He's been strong for us through the years, two missed field goals may frustrate me, but not enough to fire the guy. Not like that, when he has a resume of delivering.

If all other things were equal..and we were JUST talking about his performance then ..yea...he comes back.

But his performance isnt so "elite" that we pay him what he thinks he is worth...nor does it allow us to turn a blind eye to behavior that puts the whole organization in a bad light.

IF Skippy can get his head screwed on straight...and sign the offer that was given to him...by all means, sign him. But I dont see that happening.

SteelersinCA
12-16-2009, 05:38 PM
If all other things were equal..and we were JUST talking about his performance then ..yea...he comes back.

But his performance isnt so "elite" that we pay him what he thinks he is worth...nor does it allow us to turn a blind eye to behavior that puts the whole organization in a bad light.

IF Skippy can get his head screwed on straight...and sign the offer that was given to him...by all means, sign him. But I dont see that happening.

This.

steel striker
12-17-2009, 02:42 PM
I would to see him back because usually this guy is clutch and, if you take away that one game against the bears Reed has been solid.

X-Terminator
12-17-2009, 03:29 PM
Terrible excuse. Gravity is the same at Heinz field as it is everywhere else. you want to blame it on swriling winds? Give me a break. He is 6 for 13 from 50+ in his career...not all of those were at Heinz Field.

You forgot to factor in field conditions and the fact that you have to kick the ball harder and at a lower angle in order to get the distance (which he had plenty of), making it more difficult to control. Plus, wind speed absolutely has an effect on any field goal, whether it's from 20 yards or 53 yards. Any increase in wind speed can alter a kick's path, by either carrying it to one side or by slowing it down via friction if it's kicked into a headwind - it's called aerodynamics. Try reading up on it sometime. Gravity has absolutely nothing to do with it. You act like that's such an easy kick to make - it is NOT, and it doesn't matter where you kick them. If a kicker is around 50% in his career from 50+, you take that in a heartbeat.

Sheesh...another one here who runs his mouth without knowing a damn thing about what he's talking about.

zulater
12-17-2009, 03:37 PM
Inside 50 yards Reed is usually money. I'm not sure how many available kickers you could say that about, particualrly kicking half their kicks at Heinz Field.

Angus Burgher
12-17-2009, 03:42 PM
I want him to be re-signed as a field goal kicker but I think we should train Sepulveda to do kickoffs. I think he has the leg for it and he can tackle like a beast.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
12-17-2009, 04:24 PM
Not for 3Million

Super Fan
12-17-2009, 04:46 PM
I want a kicker that occasionally put the ball in the end zone...............

markymarc
12-18-2009, 02:09 PM
I would love to have Jeff Reed back next season, but do not want to over pay to keep his services. He has been money kicking field goals for the Steelers. It probably wouldn't happen, but it would be nice to have Jeff Reed and another kicker just for kickoffs. That is my only complaint with Jeff Reed and his kickoffs.

zulater
12-19-2009, 01:17 PM
I want a kicker that occasionally put the ball in the end zone...............



http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=8289

You're right, he's pretty bad on kickoffs. But for years the Ravens carried a kick off specialist in order to keep Matt Stover around to kick field goals. I'm nost sure it wouldn't be a good idea for the Steelers to do the same for Jeff? I still have visions of Todd Peterson in my head. :horror:

stb_steeler
12-19-2009, 03:32 PM
Bring Reed back and cut Logan. Bring in a kick off specialist who can kick it into the end zone every time. I think Reed gets one there once every other game which is unacceptable.

We had a long range kicker, the young kid named Chzeck the polish kid. He was kicking 65 yarders during warm ups.

rich4eagle
12-19-2009, 06:40 PM
In a sense you could make the case that his poor game in Chicago set in motion the wheels of negativity that have been rolling over this team ever since. And I know he's as poor of kickoff man is there is in the league. And yes his tackling on kickoffs is a disaster. But all that said I still want Reed back in 2010. Since the debacle in Chicago, Reed hasn't missed a field goal attempt inside of 50 yards. Pretty good for someone who plays half his games in Heinz.

Jeff Reed basically lost two games by himself. He is a liability on the kick off team and an average Field goal kicker

MY view in the best interest of the Steelers........see yah Jeff good riddens...........wave at some one else when they run for a TD............

I already made this point.........good teams do likewise:tt::tt03::tt04::tt02:

Edman
12-19-2009, 10:04 PM
Off the field issues.
Special Teams and Kickoff regressions.
Virtually lost the Chicago game.

The answer is no.

fansince'76
12-19-2009, 10:10 PM
We had a long range kicker, the young kid named Chzeck the polish kid. He was kicking 65 yarders during warm ups.

Once again, in what alternate universe did these "65-yarders" occur?

Preacher
12-19-2009, 10:29 PM
Once again, in what alternate universe did these "65-yarders" occur?

Chezch?

65 yarders?

:rofl:

Gotta agree with you there FS

zulater
12-19-2009, 10:37 PM
Once again, in what alternate universe did these "65-yarders" occur?

Possibly in the same alternate universe that Tomlin sees Reed kicking 53 yarders in? :chuckle:

zulater
12-20-2009, 07:43 PM
Jeff Reed showed why he should be a Steeler again in 2010. :hatsoff:

HometownGal
12-20-2009, 07:44 PM
Jeff Reed showed why he should be a Steeler again in 2010. :hatsoff:

Hell freezing over twice in one day? :jawdrop: :evil: :chuckle:

BlastFurnace
12-20-2009, 07:50 PM
Jeff Reed needs a good kick in the pants regarding his off field activity, but his FG kicking has been superb other than a very rare hickup.

We need to sign him.

HometownGal
12-20-2009, 07:55 PM
Jeff Reed basically lost two games by himself. He is a liability on the kick off team and an average Field goal kicker

MY view in the best interest of the Steelers........see yah Jeff good riddens...........wave at some one else when they run for a TD............

I already made this point.........good teams do likewise:tt::tt03::tt04::tt02:

How would you like your crow served - dipped in Tempura batter or plain with a little Mrs. Dash?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/3225/Eating_Crow.jpg

FacemeIke
12-20-2009, 08:00 PM
I'd like him back for about 1.5 mil (he's asking for 3). If he comes back though we have to sign someone to do kickoffs. It would be worth the use of a roster spot to quit spotting the other team 15 yrds on every kick off.

rbryan
12-20-2009, 08:01 PM
I still like Reed. They all miss every now and then, but he's been $ the majority of the time. I could care less about his off field @*&^$#%.....at least until he does something stupid one more time.....lol

We need a seperate Kick off guy.... Go ahead and cut #11. Put fast Wille back there and get the 2nd kicker already.

steelbad@50
12-20-2009, 08:11 PM
I still like Reed. They all miss every now and then, but he's been $ the majority of the time. I could care less about his off field @*&^$#%.....at least until he does something stupid one more time.....lol

We need a seperate Kick off guy.... Go ahead and cut #11. Put fast Wille back there and get the 2nd kicker already.DITTO!

steel9guy
12-20-2009, 08:34 PM
KEEP REED. His Win/Lose ratio in clutch situations is about 100/1

Vincent
12-20-2009, 08:34 PM
Bring Reed back and cut Logan. Bring in a kick off specialist who can kick it into the end zone every time. I think Reed gets one there once every other game which is unacceptable.

Buck made a point of noting that he has had one, count it ladies and gentlemen, one touchback this year.

Pass.

A healthy swing of a dead cat would hit 10 kickers better than Skippy.

HometownGal
12-20-2009, 08:47 PM
Buck made a point of noting that he has had one, count it ladies and gentlemen, one touchback this year.

Pass.

A healthy swing of a dead cat would hit 10 kickers better than Skippy.

Skippy was responsible for 13 points tonight. Without his foot, we would have lost the game. I'll take his reliability in putting points on the board, especially at HF, any day of the week and twice on Sundays over him not booting the ball into the EZ on every kickoff. He does what he is paid to do and does it very well imho.

Neil-Still-Rules-14
12-20-2009, 08:50 PM
Gotta love Reed in clutch situations, but we definitely need a kickoff specialist.