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Vincent
12-15-2009, 03:53 PM
I received this as an email and submit it as such.

As some have learned from reading various iterations of the "health care" bull@#$%, er, "bill", it might behoove us to take a close look at "cap & trade", an even more enormous swindle.

To wit...

...provisions of the Cap and Trade Bill that has passed the House of Representatives and being considered by the Senate.

A License required for your house....no longer just for cars and mobile homes....

Thinking about selling your house - A look at H.R. 2454 (Cap and trade bill) This is unbelievable!

Home owners take note & tell your friends and relatives who are home owners!

Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Cap and Trade Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. H.R. 2454, the "Cap & Trade" bill passed by the House of Representatives, if also passed by the Senate, will be the largest tax increase any of us has ever experienced. The Congressional Budget Office (supposedly non-partisan) estimates that in just a few years the average cost to every family of four will be $6,800 per year. No one is excluded. However, once the lower classes feel the pinch in their wallets, you can be sure these voters get a tax refund (even if they pay no taxes at all) to offset this new cost. Thus, you Mr. and Mrs. Middle Class America will have to pay even more since additional tax dollars will be needed to bail out everyone else.

But wait. This awful bill (that no one in Congress has actually read) has many more surprises in it. Probably the worst one is this: A year from now you won't be able to sell your house. Yes, you read that right. The caveat is (there always is a caveat) that if you have enough money to make required major upgrades to your home, then you can sell it. But, if not, then forget it. Even pre-fabricated homes ("mobile homes") are included. In effect, this bill prevents you from selling your home without the permission of the EPA administrator. To get this permission, you will have to have the energy efficiency of your home measured. Then the government will tell you what your new energy efficiency requirement is and you will be forced to make modifications to your home under the retrofit provisions of this Act to comply with the new energy and water efficiency requirements. Then you will have to get your home measured again and get a license (called a "label" in the Act) that must be posted on your property to show what your efficiency rating is; sort of like the Energy Star efficiency rating label on your refrigerator or air conditioner. If you don't get a high enough rating, you can't sell. And, the EPA administrator is authorized to raise the standards every year, even above the automatic energy efficiency increases built into the Act. The EPA administrator, appointed by the President, will run the Cap & Trade program (AKA the "American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009") and is authorized to make any future changes to the regulations and standards he alone determines to be in the government's best interest. Requirements are set low initially so the bill will pass Congress; then the Administrator can set much tougher new standards every year.

The Act itself contains annual required increases in energy efficiency for private and commercial residences and buildings. However, the EPA administrator can set higher standards at any time. Sect. 202 Building Retrofit Program mandates a national retrofit program to increase the energy efficiency of all existing homes across America . Beginning 1 year after enactment of the Act, you won't be able to sell your home unless you retrofit it to comply with the energy and water efficiency standards of this Act. You had better sell soon, because the standards will be raised each year and will be really hard (i.e., expensive) to meet in a few years. Oh, goody! The Act allows the government to give you a grant of several thousand dollars to comply with the retrofit program requirements IF you meet certain energy efficiency levels. But, wait, the State can set additional requirements on who qualifies to receive the grants. You should expect requirements such as "can't have an income of more than $50K per year", "home selling price can't be more than $125K", or anything else to target the upper middle class (and that's YOU) and prevent them from qualifying for the grants. Most of us won't get a dime and will have to pay the entire cost of the retrofit out of our own pockets. Sect. 204 Building Energy Performance Labeling Program establishes a labeling program that for each individual residence will identify the achieved energy efficiency performance for "at least 90 percent of the residential market within 5 years after the date of the enactment of this Act."

This means that within 5 years 90% of all residential homes in the U.S. must be measured and labeled. The EPA administrator will get $50M each year to enforce the labeling program. The Secretary of the Department of Energy will get an additional $20M each year to help enforce the labeling program. Some of this money will, of course, be spent on coming up with tougher standards each year..

Oh, the label will be like a license for your car. You will be required to post the label in a conspicuous location in your home and will not be allowed to sell your home without having this label. And, just like your car license, you will probably be required to get a new label every so often - maybe every year. But, the government estimates the cost of measuring the energy efficiency of your home should only cost about $200 each time. Remember what they said about the auto smog inspections when they first started: that in California it would only cost $15. That was when the program started. Now the cost is about $50 for the inspection and certificate; a 333% increase. Expect the same from the home labeling program. Sect. 304 Greater Energy Efficiency in Building Codes establishes new energy efficiency guidelines for the National Building Code and mandates at 304(d) that 1 year after enactment of this Act, all state and local jurisdictions must adopt the National Building Code energy efficiency provisions or must obtain a certification from the federal government that their state and/or local codes have been brought into full compliance with the National Building Code energy efficiency standards.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=A+License+required+for+your+home-+Cap+and+Trade&btnG=Google+Search

7SteelGal43
12-15-2009, 03:54 PM
:mad::banging::mad::banging::mad::banging::mad:

Vincent
12-15-2009, 04:02 PM
:mad::banging::mad::banging::mad::banging::mad:

:ak47::poop::rocket::

Indo
12-15-2009, 04:25 PM
I just can't take it any more.
The arrogance of these fkkers is just unbelievable.

I assume that everyone is already aware that the Supreme Court declared that carbon dioxide is a pollutant. That's right, folks! Just by BREATHING you are polluting the environment. Perhaps the little fact that carbon dioxide is expelled every time a mammal exhales just happened to slip by the Supreme Court.

Then, to top THAT, the EPA Czar declared that "Greenhouse Gasses" are harmful to HUMANS!
So, we exhale carbon dioxide---the normal biological process (which, incidentally, is BENEFICIAL to plant life--they produce and release oxygen and utilize carbon dioxide...we utilize the oxygen and produce carbon dioxide)---which is NOW a pollutant. In fact, it is DANGEROUS for us to even be around carbon dioxide.

So this fukked up administration is now legislating (again without letting any of those voting read the proposals) how biology should work.


Forget about the FACT that over 11,000 well-respected scientists in this country and across the planet have looked at the ACTUAL data (not the Gore-"facts") and signed a petition declaring that THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GLOBAL WARMING. In fact, the data shows that the overall temperature of the planet has been lower when carbon dioxide levels rise. The two are NOT related.


Are those of you who voted for him sorry about it yet?
You will be.


It is NO LONGER ABOUT BUSH. It's about Obama's agenda to (not so) slowly but surely change the greatest country on the planet---the Republic for which we stand---into a Socialist Democracy (the Frenchy French). It's happening. And once it's completed, there will be NO TURNING BACK.
The Founding Fathers worked diligently to prevent this very occurrence. They hotly debated the abuse of power, and came up with the first (and Only) document of its kind in the World to protect against it.

The ongoing arrogance of this administration to ignore it just astounds me.

And any of those that want to respond to this with Bu...Bu..Bu...Bush can just f*ck off.
Bush had his issues. But this jerk-off goes WAY beyond that. And if you can't see that you're...well...you will.
You're getting what you asked for. Change we can count on (being the permanent and final destruction of this great country---history has proven time and again that all great empires come to an end. This empire is ending; far, far sooner than I thought it would).

Vincent
12-15-2009, 05:11 PM
I just can't take it any more.
The arrogance of these fkkers is just unbelievable.

Indo, they're marxist bastards. That's what marxist bastards do.

DoubleSh0t
12-15-2009, 05:25 PM
People should know by now that most of the time these e-mails come through to your mailbox, they're fake.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp

MACH1
12-15-2009, 06:52 PM
It's all about control. How the government can control YOU.

Unfortunately the sheeples are dragging us with them. Hope, change that you can tax.

stillers4me
12-15-2009, 07:31 PM
Can we still call them marxist bastards?

Vincent
12-15-2009, 07:42 PM
People should know by now that most of the time these e-mails come through to your mailbox, they're fake.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/business/captrade.asp

Snopes is bull@#$%. I won't dignify it any further.

DoubleSh0t
12-16-2009, 08:55 AM
What? Did you even read it? Or is the National Association of Realtors marxist bastards too?

Why do people choose to ignore facts staring them right in the face?

revefsreleets
12-16-2009, 08:59 AM
IF this language existed, the Realtors would be hurling their babies at their congresspeople.

Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's true...and this aspect of Cap and Trade (which IS shitty legislation, don't get me wrong), is NOT TRUE.

Indo
12-16-2009, 10:56 AM
IF this language existed, the Realtors would be hurling their babies at their congresspeople.

Just because it's on the internet doesn't mean it's true...and this aspect of Cap and Trade (which IS shitty legislation, don't get me wrong), is NOT TRUE.



What is true...and THIS is the part that just makes me want to....well... I better not type what I want to do because, no doubt, Big Brother is Watching----
Supreme Court declared CO2 a pollutant
EPA declared greenhouse gasses harmful to humans

All so that this additional tax can be levied behind some BS garbage about providing a healthier environment

I'll try to find the links when I get some time

Indo
12-16-2009, 11:10 AM
Here are two links---there are many more



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/03/world/americas/03iht-scotus.1.5124385.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/endangerment.html




And just take a gander at this

http://www.climatesciencewatch.org/index.php/csw/C31/

Vincent
12-16-2009, 11:55 AM
What? Did you even read it?

Yes Skippy, I read it. Did you read the bill?

Why do people choose to ignore facts staring them right in the face?

Snopes is the arbiter of "facts"? :rofl::toofunny::sofunny:

As the dems did with “healthcare reform” they do with this. “There’s no need to read the bill.” “ Why would anybody read the bill?” Because they would see and understand the agenda.

No bill is going to be worded “you can’t buy or sell without our certificate of approval” because of the obvious. There is no need to because the agenda is buried in 1500 pages of bull@#$% that nobody, including the NAR has or ever will read.

If one were to actually read the bill, one would find all sorts of language that, while on the surface looks like typical federal carrot & stick speak, but when read in light of the email reveals the obviously nefarious agenda.

Sections 202 and 204 contain…

The Administrator shall develop and implement, in consultation with the Secretary of Energy, standards for a national energy and environmental building retrofit policy for single-family and multifamily residences.

MODEL LABEL- Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator shall propose a model building energy label that provides a format--

PERFORMANCE-BASED BUILDING RETROFIT PROGRAM- The term ‘performance-based building retrofit program’ means a program that determines building energy efficiency success based on actual measured savings after a retrofit is complete, as evidenced by energy invoices or evaluation protocols.

PRESCRIPTIVE BUILDING RETROFIT PROGRAM- The term ‘prescriptive building retrofit program’ means a program that projects building retrofit energy efficiency success based on the known effectiveness of measures prescribed to be included in a retrofit.

PROPOSED PROTOCOLS AND REQUIREMENTS- At the earliest practicable date, but not later than 1 year after identifying a building type under subsection (b)(1)(A), the Administrator shall propose a measurement protocol for that building type and a requirement detailing how to use that protocol in completing applicable commercial or residential performance labels created pursuant to this section.

FINAL RULE- After providing for notice and comment, the Administrator shall publish a final rule containing a measurement protocol and the corresponding requirements for applying that protocol.

MEANS OF IMPLEMENTATION- In adopting the model labeling program established under this section, a State shall seek to ensure that labeled information be made accessible to the public in a manner so that owners, lenders, tenants, occupants, or other relevant parties can utilize it.

INITIAL AWARD LIMITS- Except as provided in paragraph (3), State and local REEP programs may make per-building direct expenditures for retrofit improvements, or their equivalent in indirect or other forms of financial support, from funds derived from the sale of allowances received directly from the Administrator in amounts not to exceed the following amounts per unit:

The Administrator may adjust the specific dollar limits funded by the sale of allowances pursuant to paragraph (2) in years subsequent to the second year after the date of enactment of this Act

Reader's Digest version - no label, no sell.

As a free man, I don’t like the federalies involved in any of my affairs. The constitution was written to prevent that. The entirety of “cap & trade” and “healthcare reform” is about controlling the population, nothing more. There is no “healthcare crisis”. There is no “climate crisis”. There are, however, a bunch of marxist bastards trying to destroy this country.

revefsreleets
12-16-2009, 12:31 PM
Well, I will say this...the EPA is NOT an agency you want to mess with. They have Gestapo-like authority, and use it...

I still don't see anything in that bill that says what's being claimed.

MACH1
12-16-2009, 12:37 PM
Seems like I heard something on the news a while back. Something about greening up your house before it could be sold or bought. And building a new house you'd have to build to the new green standards which more than likely priced it out of reach.

Vincent
12-16-2009, 12:42 PM
Well, I will say this...the EPA is NOT an agency you want to mess with. They have Gestapo-like authority, and use it...

I still don't see anything in that bill that says what's being claimed.

C'mon Rev, you know how things work.

There will be a "label" stating the energy efficiency of the building. It will be prominently displayed. To get the compliance label you need to meet the standards, yet to be defined, and ever a moving target. You can retrofit your building at your own expense, or get on the dole by meeting requirements.

The only difference between this and annual car inspections is the gubmint offers "assistance". You can't sell a car that doesn't pass inspection. Well, you can, but not for what you'd want for it.

In my state restaurants have health inspections and are required to prominently post the cert. The rating is what the rating is. People go "Eeeeooooo" and leave. The restaurant goes poof.

When this bull@#$% becomes law, you will either have a "label" or you won't sell your house. What lender would touch it?

And yes, the EPA is the gestapo.

revefsreleets
12-16-2009, 12:50 PM
I'm sorry again, I just can't make that leap.

Vincent
12-16-2009, 12:57 PM
I'm sorry again, I just can't make that leap.

One's having made any leaps will have no bearing on one's ability to sell their home.

There isn't a need to leap. The language in 202 and 204 is surprisingly succinct.

How about leaping this - every building will be cataloged in terms of size, description, number of dwellers (census), etc, etc. Historically, what have marxist bastards done with such information?

revefsreleets
12-16-2009, 01:06 PM
A) 204 would simply provide the buyer a description of the energy efficiency of a home, similar to a rating on a hot water heater.
B) 202 states that if the owner of a home wants financial assistance to shore up the efficiency of his home from REEP, he'll have to pass an energy audit.

I'm sorry, that's all there is too this. There is no vast left wing conspiracy here...

Vincent
12-16-2009, 01:08 PM
A) 204 would simply provide the buyer a description of the energy efficiency of a home, similar to a rating on a hot water heater.
B) 202 states that if the owner of a home wants financial assistance to shore up the efficiency of his home from REEP, he'll have to pass an energy audit.

I'm sorry, that's all there is too this. There is no vast left wing conspiracy here...

Do you work for the EPA? :chuckle:

revefsreleets
12-16-2009, 01:11 PM
Do you work for the EPA? :chuckle:

I know a LOT about the EPA...they routinely eff over my clients, and I get to hear the stories. NOT a fan.

But disliking the EPA does not and can not and will not make this section of the bill more than what it actually is...