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stillers4me
12-17-2009, 06:24 PM
Everyone in Cinci is talking about what a "great guy" Chris Henry was. A few winning games...and they all develop amnesia. Mike Brown is the "great Redeemer". :doh: ("sign any piece of crud, as long as we win" is his motto, if you ask me.)

This is so typical of this city. I bet if he had died during a losing season, his jerseys would still be in the store, 50% off. Now they are making him into some kind of saint.

Don't kill me here. I'm saddened like anybody else at a life wasted. The fact that he died young can't surprise anybody. But these fans will sugarcoat anything just to win.



http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Mourning-Fans-Snatch-Up-Chris-Henry-Gear/6f3iswEOlEyewazgif64zQ.cspx

CINCINNATI, Ohio -- A steady surge of Bengals fans made their way to Koch's Sporting Goods on Fourth Street Thursday.

Many, like Debbie Davis, were looking for anything with Chris Henry's name on it.

She explains, "My 16-year-old said 'can I get a Chris Henry jersey for Christmas?' and I said, good idea. So we tried to get one online, but I'm here."
Wendell Fails tried to talk her out of it. "I tried to offer the lady more money for it but she wouldn't sell it," he said.


But he's not giving up. "I 'm just gonna have to search around the city, see what I can find."

The demand took Eric Koch at the store off guard. "We opened at 9:30 this morning and by 11:00 they were all gone. Every single jersey we had we sold in about an hour and a half's time this morning."

Even the last authentic stitched jersey was gone from the wall for $270.

Fans like Todd Gray had developed a love for the man they called "Slim."


Gray says, "I saw it when I woke up this morning. It was all over the TV. Chris Henry died. It's one of the worst feelings I've ever had."

Over at the Bengals' Pro Shop, Wendell Fails was still coming up empty. Not even a picture. "Looks like they sold 'em out already," he sighed.


Then finally, he found a calendar. Not a great picture, but at least you could see him. "There he is right there," Fails says, pointing on the back page. "That's the only thing in this store with Chris Henry. And even his number's covered, but you can see his name up there," he describes.


And while it was tough to find #15 merchandise, holding on to memories will be a lot easier.


Copyright 2009 The E.W. Scripps Co. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

TheWarDen86
12-17-2009, 06:27 PM
Everyone in Cinci is talking about what a "great guy" Chris Henry was. A few winning games...and they all develop amnesia. Mike Brown is the "great Redeemer". :doh: (sign any piece of crud, just win is his motto, if you ask me.)

This is so typical of this city. I bet if he had died during a losing season, his jerseys would still be in the store, 50% off. Now they are making him into some kind of saint.

Don't kill me here. I'm saddened like anybody else at a life wasted. The fact that he died young can't surprise anybody. But these fans will sugarcoat anything just to win.



To win what? By all accounts he was doing everything he should have been doing to turn it around.

Not "killing you," but I don't understand the need for this thread.

stillers4me
12-17-2009, 06:32 PM
They have always made excuses here for him. Nobody cares what any player does off the field as long as they are winning. I guess you have to live in Cinci to understand how different it is than in Pittsburgh. This guy was picked up on a DUI on the same road my son and his family lives on. That makes me a little cynical about giving guys like this chance after chance to play football.

Sad that he died, I feel bad for his family. It's the fanbase in this town that drives me crazy. He was a menace for the majority of the time here. A judge described him as one man crime spree. Now he's a martyr.

TheWarDen86
12-17-2009, 06:38 PM
They have always made excuses here for him. Nobody cares what any player does off the field as long as they are winning. I guess you have to live in Cinci to understand how different it is than in Pittsburgh. This guy was picked up on a DUI on the same road my son and his family lives on. That makes me a little cynical about giving guys like this chance after chance to play football.

Sad that he died, I feel bad for his family. It's the fanbase in this town that drives me crazy. He was a menace for the majority of the time here, a judge described him as one man crime spree. Now he's a martyr.

Well, I can understand your feelings a bit.

But he is gone now.

stillers4me
12-17-2009, 06:41 PM
Well, I can understand your feelings a bit.

But he is gone now.

And as the mother of a son who is the same age as Chris Henry, that makes me sad, too.

And as far as Mike Brown goes, it's more about winning than doing anything out of the goodness of his heart. Everybody here has been hating on him for the longest itme, and now he's just a swell guy. Larry Johnson, anyone? And Shaun Smith is back on the roster this week.

Ehhhh...never mind. You really have to be here.

RIP, Slim. I hope you have found the peace you were searching for.

tony hipchest
12-17-2009, 07:20 PM
i hear ya, stiller4me. everyone is waxing poetic how he was a shining success story, how he was healed from his thuggish ways, and his life had turned around.

but theres alot to this story we still dont know. in released 911 calls, witnesses say he was pounding on the roof, and glass of the truck if he were about to break it. will we ever hear a toxicology report.

if she didnt flee in the truck, would we have read of him in a drunken or coke induced rage, beating his fiancee to a bloody pulp? was she fleeing for her life because possibly he threatened it?

theres a very fine line of events that may very well be the difference of him being perceived as a martyr or the same old scumbag he was always called.

until the events are revealed (and assuming his fiancee ever comes clean with what really happened) i will reserve judgement, and try to be respectful for those who wish to mourn (but if it were cedric wilson, i think i woulda held off on the $270 jersey purchase). :chuckle:

HometownGal
12-17-2009, 07:30 PM
Scumbag, martyr, saint, druggie, drunk - call him whatever floats your boat. Doesn't take away from the fact that three little kids have to grow up without their father who I truly believe was trying to turn his life around. No one yet knows the circumstances which led to his reported behavior on that truck or the unfortunate accident that claimed his young life. Until the entire story is revealed, I don't want to pass judgment on a dead man.

xfl2001fan
12-17-2009, 07:30 PM
I hear ya, stillers4me. Something like this happened when I was in the Navy once. This guy was a total ass on the ship...and he died in a tragic 4-wheeling accident. When we were doing the Burial At Sea ceremony, some of the guys who were telling everyone what a "great guy and great friend" he was...had (two days before the death) been swearing about how they couldn't stand him. I maintained my silence...at the hypocrites and to keep from disrespecting the guy while his family was present...but his death didn't change what his life was.

It must have something to do with human nature. :shrug: I must not be human enough.

stillers4me
12-17-2009, 07:57 PM
Scumbag, martyr, saint, druggie, drunk - call him whatever floats your boat. Doesn't take away from the fact that three little kids have to grow up without their father who I truly believe was trying to turn his life around. No one yet knows the circumstances which led to his reported behavior on that truck or the unfortunate accident that claimed his young life. Until the entire story is revealed, I don't want to pass judgment on a dead man.

My post was less of a judgement on the man's life and more of a judgement on what I witnessed from cinci fans. I was shocked (but not surprised) and saddened as well. 9 wins has certainly given the guy a one shot ticket to sainthood and the fans instant myopia.

steelwalls
12-17-2009, 08:08 PM
Im going to be totally honest here. Had I been caught as a young man doing half the dumb/crazy things I ever did I probably would not be here right now. I'm not defending going against the law, but if alot of us were under the microscope like he was well people may be singing a different tune about him.

I think everyone has at least that one person in their family that has made or makes poor decisions, I just can't bring myself to down someone who was so young and made mistakes, especially after such a terrible death.

stillers4me
12-17-2009, 08:12 PM
Im going to be totally honest here. Had I been caught as a young man doing half the dumb/crazy things I ever did I probably would not be here right now. I'm not defending going against the law, but if alot of us were under the microscope like he was well people may be singing a different tune about him.

I think everyone has at least that one person in their family that has made or makes poor decisions, I just can't bring myself to down someone who was so young and made mistakes, especially after such a terrible death.

Read my post. It's not about Chris Henry but the fanbase in Cinci. Xfl20012fan and Tony get it.

Mr. D™
12-17-2009, 08:14 PM
as for Mike Brown I don't like him never did never will.

I hated that he re signed Henry. I wanted his ass off my team bad. he was given to many chances. some of the people on the Bengals deserve there second chance because they have used it and not abused it. everyone deserves a second chance and even a third one sometimes. but this guy did it 4 or 5 times I can't remember. but Mike brown got saved when Henry actually started to turn his life around. and I was starting to like the guy to, he was staying out of trouble, not doing anything to screw his time and actually getting better at life. and this happens. what a sad way to go too. R.I.P. Slim

Mr. D™
12-17-2009, 08:14 PM
Read my post. It's not about Chris Henry but the fanbase in Cinci. Xfl20012fan and Tony get it.
I will not defend Mike and his reasons. but I actually like when people get a second chance, at least the ones that use it for good and not get back into trouble

steelwalls
12-17-2009, 08:15 PM
Read my post. It's not about Chris Henry but the fanbase in Cinci. Xfl20012fan and Tony get it.

I was not directing that at you.

Mr. D™
12-17-2009, 08:17 PM
I hear ya, stillers4me. Something like this happened when I was in the Navy once. This guy was a total ass on the ship...and he died in a tragic 4-wheeling accident. When we were doing the Burial At Sea ceremony, some of the guys who were telling everyone what a "great guy and great friend" he was...had (two days before the death) been swearing about how they couldn't stand him. I maintained my silence...at the hypocrites and to keep from disrespecting the guy while his family was present...but his death didn't change what his life was.

It must have something to do with human nature. :shrug: I must not be human enough.

not so sure what the deal was about that guy, maybe those two felt bad for thinking that and decided to take the better rout and just praise him in hopes that could redeem them for their judgments of him while he was alive.

just my side opinion on it

stillers4me
12-17-2009, 08:19 PM
as for Mike Brown I don't like him never did never will.

I hated that he re signed Henry. I wanted his ass off my team bad. he was given to many chances. some of the people on the Bengals deserve there second chance because they have used it and not abused it. everyone deserves a second chance and even a third one sometimes. but this guy did it 4 or 5 times I can't remember. but Mike brown got saved when Henry actually started to turn his life around. and I was starting to like the guy to, he was staying out of trouble, not doing anything to screw his time and actually getting better at life. and this happens. what a sad way to go too. R.I.P. Slim

I understand the fans mourning the loss of a young life. I understand the second chances and the efforts he was making. It's the nomination to sainthood that has me baffled. But ..... my team has it's own problems. :drink:

BlastFurnace
12-17-2009, 08:34 PM
It's just sad way to end a life and very sad that 3 children don't have a dad any longer. I don't know Henry and I'm not going to judge him either.

CantStop85
12-17-2009, 09:52 PM
Everyone in Cinci is talking about what a "great guy" Chris Henry was. A few winning games...and they all develop amnesia. Mike Brown is the "great Redeemer". :doh: ("sign any piece of crud, as long as we win" is his motto, if you ask me.)

This is so typical of this city. I bet if he had died during a losing season, his jerseys would still be in the store, 50% off. Now they are making him into some kind of saint.

Don't kill me here. I'm saddened like anybody else at a life wasted. The fact that he died young can't surprise anybody. But these fans will sugarcoat anything just to win.

I'm sorry, but this just sounds like a bunch of sour grapes.

I don't see what the problem is...fans and affiliates of the organization are choosing to commemorate a player that has passed away. Yeah, sure he made a lot of mistakes, but he had also appeared to have been turning his life around. We don't know the exact circumstances of his death, so I'll reserve my comments on that.

I think too often people want to paint other people as being either all good or all bad. The truth is no one is completely good or completely bad. Henry had made his share of bad decisions but who hasn't? He was a father, a teammate, and a friend to many people...to me, that alone is reason to grieve his loss and commemorate his time here.

As far as the slight on Cincy fans goes...I don't think the fact that the Bengals have 9 wins has the slightest effect on their support for Chris Henry. Had this happened a year ago, I think the result would have been the same. Some things are bigger than wins and losses in football and this is one of those situations.

KeiselPower99
12-17-2009, 09:54 PM
I got tired of hearing this stuff this morning after the news broke. I didnt like him when he went to WVU. I have always said he was a thug and didnt know how to keep his nose clean. The manor in which he carried himself was disrepectful to West Virginia as a whole. I will give him credit though. He was trying to tur his life around and having 3 kids will help you do that. I feel for them and his family. But the nut hugging is too much for me and its nice to know Im not alone.

cubanstogie
12-17-2009, 10:03 PM
Everyone in Cinci is talking about what a "great guy" Chris Henry was. A few winning games...and they all develop amnesia. Mike Brown is the "great Redeemer". :doh: ("sign any piece of crud, as long as we win" is his motto, if you ask me.)

This is so typical of this city. I bet if he had died during a losing season, his jerseys would still be in the store, 50% off. Now they are making him into some kind of saint.

Don't kill me here. I'm saddened like anybody else at a life wasted. The fact that he died young can't surprise anybody. But these fans will sugarcoat anything just to win.



http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Mourning-Fans-Snatch-Up-Chris-Henry-Gear/6f3iswEOlEyewazgif64zQ.cspx

CINCINNATI, Ohio -- A steady surge of Bengals fans made their way to Koch's Sporting Goods on Fourth Street Thursday.

Many, like Debbie Davis, were looking for anything with Chris Henry's name on it.

She explains, "My 16-year-old said 'can I get a Chris Henry jersey for Christmas?' and I said, good idea. So we tried to get one online, but I'm here."
Wendell Fails tried to talk her out of it. "I tried to offer the lady more money for it but she wouldn't sell it," he said.


But he's not giving up. "I 'm just gonna have to search around the city, see what I can find."

The demand took Eric Koch at the store off guard. "We opened at 9:30 this morning and by 11:00 they were all gone. Every single jersey we had we sold in about an hour and a half's time this morning."

Even the last authentic stitched jersey was gone from the wall for $270.

Fans like Todd Gray had developed a love for the man they called "Slim."


Gray says, "I saw it when I woke up this morning. It was all over the TV. Chris Henry died. It's one of the worst feelings I've ever had."

Over at the Bengals' Pro Shop, Wendell Fails was still coming up empty. Not even a picture. "Looks like they sold 'em out already," he sighed.


Then finally, he found a calendar. Not a great picture, but at least you could see him. "There he is right there," Fails says, pointing on the back page. "That's the only thing in this store with Chris Henry. And even his number's covered, but you can see his name up there," he describes.


And while it was tough to find #15 merchandise, holding on to memories will be a lot easier.


Copyright 2009 The E.W. Scripps Co. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

I can relate to you 100 %, thats why I didn't chime in with RIP or anything else. My parents taught me if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all. I just don't have that willpower when it comes to Obama, Pelosi or Reid though.

Riddle_Of_Steel
12-17-2009, 10:07 PM
I think that the whole thing is unfortunate if you look at the big picture-- that being, that a talented 26 year old with people counting on him could not grow up and behave like a human being, and that his stupidity eventually led to his own demise.

I don't wish for anybody to die (for the most part), but lets be honest, this guy was scum and by the sounds of it, society will be much better off without him further contaminating the gene pool. He was "turning things around" because he hadn't been arrested in 18 months...quite an accomplishment there. How many years passed between when OJ murdered Nicole, and when he decided to rob those Vegas Casinos? Was he "turning his life around" too? Now Chris Henry is a hero because he died....that is insulting to every human being who conducted themselves in a respectable manner in life and that died at a young age. This is a monster that is being made into a frigging icon...for reasons I can't even understand.

It annoyed me to no end too when Steve McNair was eulogized like some fallen war hero-- McNair was another one who was "turning his life around", by purchasing Cadillac SUVs and condo's for trashy girls 25 years his juniors, and cheating on his wife and children. That is betrayal and karma making things "even out". Sorry if that sounds insensitive-- I respected Steve McNair as an athlete for his physical abilitites, but I don't by any means feel sorry for him as a man or person/human being. He reaped exactly what he sowed.

Lets look at how Chris Henry died too-- dude was drunk/high again, shirtless, in a rage, and trying to bash out the back window in his fiancee's truck with his arm-cast to get at her to do who knows what. If he had his way, SHE would be in the hospital right now (or in a battered wife clinic) and he would be on trial for assault or worse yet, murder...

I feel sorry for his family and the ones who loved him, but I have those same sentiments for convicted killers going to the chair-- somebody somewhere must have loved them. I think it is tragic that a young guy like this with so much athletic potential could not become a contributing member of society, and that he eventually died of his own poor choices, but that is life. Most of us will live much more honest and ethical lives only to die in obscurity someday and be buried in shallow graves, while monsters like this will be regarded as some sort of figurehead and probably have movies made about them.

And as far his life was concerned, he was wasting it in the worse possible ways, and natural selection simply prevailed...unfortunately after he had already reproduced. Now there are several children who his poor choices may have also doomed to play out their lives much the way he did. THEY and his fiancee are the ones we should be praying for, not Chris. You live by the sword, you die by the sword....he made the choices that led to his death.

Shea
12-17-2009, 10:29 PM
Lets look at how Chris Henry died too-- dude was drunk/high again, shirtless, in a rage, and trying to bash out the back window in his fiancee's truck with his arm-cast to get at her to do who knows what. If he had his way, SHE would be in the hospital right now (or in a battered wife clinic) and he would be on trial for assault or worse yet, murder...

You are making assumptions as to what happened without any facts having been released as to what really went down. For all I know, he and his fiance had a heated argument and on impluse he jumped into the back of her truck to try and keep her from leaving the situation and him. Who among hasn't been in such a situation and wanted their partner not to leave? Doesn't mean he was drunk, or that he was abusive. It might come out that the only fault towards him was the fatal mistake of jumping into the back of that truck.

Calling him a monster doesn't fly either. He made some very poor decisions in his early twenties (again, haven't we all?) but seemed to have finally figured out that the path he was taking in life was biting him in the ass and taking him in the wrong direction.

I think the Bengals' fanbase know more about him then we do, and that's the reason you are seeing them grieve so heavily, and maybe there is a reason for that.

Carson Palmer's statements today seem to resonate with me the most. His sentiments that Chris was heavily misunderstood and had a good solid heart, was a good man dispite his faults and that's probably why the hearts in Cincy are heavy today.

tony hipchest
12-17-2009, 11:20 PM
I think that the whole thing is unfortunate if you look at the big picture-- that being, that a talented 26 year old with people counting on him could not grow up and behave like a human being, and that his stupidity eventually led to his own demise.

I don't wish for anybody to die (for the most part), but lets be honest, this guy was scum and by the sounds of it, society will be much better off without him further contaminating the gene pool. :blah::blah: .

:toofunny: wow. talk about an overactive imagination or a severe God complex....

i guess i am scum, a thug, and a monster too.

Im going to be totally honest here. Had I been caught as a young man doing half the dumb/crazy things I ever did I probably would not be here right now. I'm not defending going against the law, but if alot of us were under the microscope like he was well people may be singing a different tune about him.

I think everyone has at least that one person in their family that has made or makes poor decisions, I just can't bring myself to down someone who was so young and made mistakes, especially after such a terrible death.

im with you.


i never hated henry. i just thought he was a dumbass for getting caught doing all the dumbass stuff he did..... over and over. :clover:

thankfully i never got caught. short of any violence, theft, or busting caps within city limits, i am probably guilty of just about anything he was guilty for.

according to state laws, i have been guilty of statutory rape. then again, i can also be considered the victim of statutory rape for being with an 18 year old girl when i was 14. :noidea: bad me.

i was the beer guy in college dorm my freshman year thanks to my fake ID. :noidea: bad me. (and i didnt discriminate who i bought beer for. i kept the change and reaped the benefits). :wink02:

having bad friends? i probably have as many bad friends who have served time as chris did. bad me.

SteelCityMom
12-17-2009, 11:41 PM
:toofunny: wow. talk about an overactive imagination or a severe God complex....

i guess i am scum, a thug, and a monster too.



im with you.


i never hated henry. i just thought he was a dumbass for getting caught doing all the dumbass stuff he did..... over and over. :clover:

thankfully i never got caught. short of any violence, theft, or busting caps within city limits, i am probably guilty of just about anything he was guilty for.

according to state laws, i have been guilty of statutory rape. then again, i can also be considered the victim of statutory rape for being with an 18 year old girl when i was 14. :noidea: bad me.

i was the beer guy in college dorm my freshman year thanks to my fake ID. :noidea: bad me. (and i didnt discriminate who i bought beer for. i kept the change and reaped the benefits). :wink02:

having bad friends? i probably have as many bad friends who have served time as chris did. bad me.

Very well said Tony (and steelwalls). There's none of us here who can pass judgment on him or the mistakes he made in his life. We've all made our own and then some. Luckily most of us have had the great fortune of being able to get second, third, fourth, etc. etc. chances.

Calling him scum, and a monster, and contaminating the gene pool is just poor class IMO. It's no better than the rival fans who tore down Ben after his accident and his lawsuit.

If these are their opinions, fine, but some people need to learn when to have some couth and keep some thoughts to themselves. If you don't like him, or don't like how people are choosing to mourn for him, be respectful and keep it to yourself at the very least.

Very poor taste. :shake01:

Borski
12-18-2009, 01:49 AM
To all the people saying he was scum or other negative things about the man, I have to ask, how would you feel about people talking about you or a family member that way after a death?

Sometimes you gotta follow the saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

Whats the point of kicking a man after he died?

Sure there might be more to the story considering the truck, but if you feel the need to judge someone (which you shouldnt), at least wait til all the facts come out.

steelreserve
12-18-2009, 03:11 AM
I don't see what the problem is...fans and affiliates of the organization are choosing to commemorate a player that has passed away. Yeah, sure he made a lot of mistakes, but he had also appeared to have been turning his life around. We don't know the exact circumstances of his death, so I'll reserve my comments on that.

Dude ... no offense, but getting killed by falling off the back of a truck while you were trying to beat the shit out of the windows with no shirt on does not sound like trying to "turn your life around" to me. Or even if he really WAS trying to turn his life around, this is about as bad as you can screw up at it.

Basically, I think everyone is in shock because he's dead and you don't want to seem like an asshole by talking bad about a dead guy. But you really don't belong diving into trucks in a domestic dispute.

So yeah, I get the part about it being sad that he died, but I don't exactly see it as a "tragedy."

stillers4me
12-18-2009, 05:40 AM
The guy was a one man scourge and by the time he was finally cut by the Bengals, the fans (who had just suffered through another abysmal season), said good riddance to bad news. Then TJ left and Mike Brown needed his talent back on the field. Yeah! Slim is back and we are winning! Suddenly, he became "misunderstood" and had a "great heart" and now his path to sainthood is paved with gold.

Pray for 3 fatherless babies and a grieving mom. Only God knows what #15 had in his heart.

SteelMember
12-18-2009, 07:32 AM
Dude ... no offense, but getting killed by falling off the back of a truck while you were trying to beat the shit out of the windows with no shirt on does not sound like trying to "turn your life around" to me. Or even if he really WAS trying to turn his life around, this is about as bad as you can screw up at it.

Basically, I think everyone is in shock because he's dead and you don't want to seem like an asshole by talking bad about a dead guy. But you really don't belong diving into trucks in a domestic dispute.

So yeah, I get the part about it being sad that he died, but I don't exactly see it as a "tragedy."

This is basically what I was going to add.

Someone diving into the back of a moving truck doesn't seem like normal or "changed" behavior imho. Maybe for a teenager. :noidea:

The only tragedy, is that a family will have to carry on without a father. So, I'm sad for them.

memphissteelergirl
12-18-2009, 08:24 AM
@ Riddle_of_Steel,

"I don't wish for anybody to die (for the most part), but lets be honest, this guy was scum and by the sounds of it, society will be much better off without him further contaminating the gene pool."

WTH? Sorry... I must have missed the proclamation where you have been officially appointed God. Look, I probably wouldn't have been best friends with Chris Henry myself. I, like many others, thought his choices were incredibly stupid and he did not for the most part carry himself well on or off the field. And to your point about Steve McNair...I'd say judging from the outpouring of grief that occured from those who knew him, it was pretty obvious that he was indeed a good person who touched many lives. But even good people make bad choices. Happens every day...it just doesn't get played out in the national media. Was Chris Henry a good person? Who knows? I am not going to sit here and speculate. Only those who knew him the best (family, teammates, etc.) can answer that question. And what really happened between him and his fiancee that started the chain of events that led to his sudden death? Again, I don't know, and we probably won't know the whole story for a long time, if ever.

Bottom line: I am not going to perform a moral autopsy on the man. I am just sad that a young man who seemed to be finally getting it together is gone and there are children without a father today.

BlastFurnace
12-18-2009, 09:27 AM
To all the people saying he was scum or other negative things about the man, I have to ask, how would you feel about people talking about you or a family member that way after a death?

Sometimes you gotta follow the saying "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"

Whats the point of kicking a man after he died?

Sure there might be more to the story considering the truck, but if you feel the need to judge someone (which you shouldnt), at least wait til all the facts come out.

I agree with you Borski. Perhaps Henry wasn't a chior boy, but he was a human being and the father of 3 children.

steelreserve
12-18-2009, 10:48 AM
Bottom line: I am not going to perform a moral autopsy on the man. I am just sad that a young man who seemed to be finally getting it together is gone and there are children without a father today.

That's the part I feel bad about.

A guy gets killed doing something as dumb as that, it's hard to feel too sorry for, because he kind of brought it on himself. It's all the fallout and collateral damage to other people that's sad.

CantStop85
12-18-2009, 11:09 AM
Dude ... no offense, but getting killed by falling off the back of a truck while you were trying to beat the shit out of the windows with no shirt on does not sound like trying to "turn your life around" to me. Or even if he really WAS trying to turn his life around, this is about as bad as you can screw up at it.

Basically, I think everyone is in shock because he's dead and you don't want to seem like an asshole by talking bad about a dead guy. But you really don't belong diving into trucks in a domestic dispute.

So yeah, I get the part about it being sad that he died, but I don't exactly see it as a "tragedy."

OK, so let's assume he died doing something stupid...who cares? I'm sure many of us on this board have made as many mistakes as Henry has and if any of us died, I'm sure there would be many people who would care.

I acknowledge the fact that you don't care, and that's cool, but I think you should STFU if that's the case because there are people who did care about the guy. I'm not even talking about myself or other fans, I'm talking about people who actually knew what kind of person he was; his family, his friends, and his teammates. I think it's honestly pretty ignorant of you to criticize the character of a guy who's passed away when you knew him only through SportsCenter segments and gossip boards.

I'm more inclined to listen to what people who actually knew him thought:

"It was very sad. Tragic news. I think for the guys that know him, it's very different than the public perception of him," said Bills quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick, who threw two touchdowns to Henry last season. "The trouble that he got in the past and all that, everybody knows that he's a great guy. He really had his share of problems but really got his life on track. Obviously, everybody's hearts and thought and prayers go out to his family, his fiancée, his kids … . I can tell you that everybody loved him in the locker room. He was a great teammate. It's going to be really hard for those guys because of how much they really cared for him."

"He had the locker next to mine for a year and a half, and you couldn't walk past his locker without seeing all the photos he had of his family," said Pope, a 25-year-old cornerback. "He loved his family so much. That's all you would see."

"When the Bengals organization brought him back, you could tell he was a changed man," Andrews said. "You could see it in his eyes. He was always smiling, as opposed to when the negative things were gong on. He was always smiling and joking with everybody. You could tell he had that aura about him."

"I can imagine what everyone is feeling because everyone liked him," Houshmandzadeh said. "Carson really took a liking to him. The owner, who matters the most, really liked him, talked to him and realized that he was a real good person and gave him multiple chances, and he was starting to make him look good. He was going to stay out of trouble. And for your life to end like this is unbelievable."

"He had a gleam in his eye when I saw him that last time. I was so proud and excited of what he'd been able to do," Jackson said after the Ravens practiced Thursday. "That's why it's so tough. The last time I saw him he was hurt and getting carted off the field. A good guy. And those guys who played with him will tell you that."

I'm not trying to say he was a saint, but the people who knew him really liked him and I think that alone is enough to qualify it as a tragedy, at least in their eyes.

steelreserve
12-18-2009, 12:41 PM
OK, so let's assume he died doing something stupid...who cares? I'm sure many of us on this board have made as many mistakes as Henry has and if any of us died, I'm sure there would be many people who would care.

I acknowledge the fact that you don't care, and that's cool, but I think you should STFU if that's the case because there are people who did care about the guy. I'm not even talking about myself or other fans, I'm talking about people who actually knew what kind of person he was; his family, his friends, and his teammates. I think it's honestly pretty ignorant of you to criticize the character of a guy who's passed away when you knew him only through SportsCenter segments and gossip boards.

To the first part, what I'm saying is: If you die from an incredibly stupid choice that you made, that automatically disqualifies it from being tragic.

To the second part: Yeah, I didn't know much about the guy before this. What I do know, from the incident that happened alone, is that normal people don't do shit like that. Sounds more like what happens when some white-trash redneck or some ghetto thug loses his temper. And I'm sure there are plenty of ghetto thugs whose friends and family think are absolutely SWELL people, so whatever. I don't know, and you don't know either.

Maybe he really WAS a great guy. Maybe he really DID change his ways. Whatever; no way for me to know. But with this, it's indisputable that the sum total of his actions is that he succeeded in flushing his life down the toilet in every sense of the word, and yes, that makes me feel less sorry for him.

You know, I probably would have kept anything this harsh to myself -- since yes, it pushes even my sensibilities about "respecting the dead" to the limit -- if no one had bothered to be antagonistic and tell me to STFU.

Steel_12
12-18-2009, 01:33 PM
I'm sorry, but this just sounds like a bunch of sour grapes.

I don't see what the problem is...fans and affiliates of the organization are choosing to commemorate a player that has passed away. Yeah, sure he made a lot of mistakes, but he had also appeared to have been turning his life around. We don't know the exact circumstances of his death, so I'll reserve my comments on that.

I think too often people want to paint other people as being either all good or all bad. The truth is no one is completely good or completely bad. Henry had made his share of bad decisions but who hasn't? He was a father, a teammate, and a friend to many people...to me, that alone is reason to grieve his loss and commemorate his time here.

As far as the slight on Cincy fans goes...I don't think the fact that the Bengals have 9 wins has the slightest effect on their support for Chris Henry. Had this happened a year ago, I think the result would have been the same. Some things are bigger than wins and losses in football and this is one of those situations.

Exactly...too many hypocrites in the world!

Steel_12
12-18-2009, 01:38 PM
lol...there are some jugdmental people in the world. If what he did didn't affect your life, why are you so mad? Calling him a thug and scum like you really knew Chris Henry is ignorant. It's amazing how some people can be.

steelreserve
12-18-2009, 02:16 PM
lol...there are some jugdmental people in the world. If what he did didn't affect your life, why are you so mad? Calling him a thug and scum like you really knew Chris Henry is ignorant. It's amazing how some people can be.

I'm not really mad at anything except the guy saying to STFU. Other than that, I was trying to explain why I don't feel bad for anyone except his family. Getting yourself killed voluntarily and stupidly does not elicit sympathy.

I don't really see how it qualifies as "ignorant" to project someone as a thug when they do a number of thug-like things and die like a thug. Think about this: What if the same exact thing had happened, except Chris Henry didn't get seriously hurt?

I'm 100% certain that in that case, everyone would be two threads over calling him a thug and a moron who exemplifies the problems with pro athletes. And instead of how he was a "reformed man," we'd all be talking about how he talked a good game about turning his life around, but this proves it was all bullshit, and it's disgusting how pro athletes get so many second and third chances only to blow it again, etc., etc., and if Goodell suspends him for a whole season, he probably deserves it.

Yes, I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that in that case, you'd be right there with us, calling him a thug and a loser. Instead, you berate people with that opinion because of the severity of the guy's injury, not because of anything that he did to deserve a better reputation. Sheesh ... and you want to talk about hypocrisy.

All I'm doing is calling a spade a spade.

Steel_12
12-18-2009, 02:29 PM
I'm not really mad at anything except the guy saying to STFU. Other than that, I was trying to explain why I don't feel bad for anyone except his family. Getting yourself killed voluntarily and stupidly does not elicit sympathy.

I don't really see how it qualifies as "ignorant" to project someone as a thug when they do a number of thug-like things and die like a thug. Think about this: What if the same exact thing had happened, except Chris Henry didn't get seriously hurt?

I'm 100% certain that in that case, everyone would be two threads over calling him a thug and a moron who exemplifies the problems with pro athletes. And instead of how he was a "reformed man," we'd all be talking about how he talked a good game about turning his life around, but this proves it was all bullshit, and it's disgusting how pro athletes get so many second and third chances only to blow it again, etc., etc., and if Goodell suspends him for a whole season, he probably deserves it.

Yes, I'd be willing to bet any amount of money that in that case, you'd be right there with us, calling him a thug and a loser. Instead, you berate people with that opinion because of the severity of the guy's injury, not because of anything that he did to deserve a better reputation. Sheesh ... and you want to talk about hypocrisy.

All I'm doing is calling a spade a spade.

Thing is, you don't know what happened. We could assume all kind of bullshit but the only FACT is that only God and his fiance knows what really happened. I'm 100% certain that people who don't personally know somebody and call them a thug, moron, monster and other IGNORANT names are judgmental...especially if they don't know the facts. But hey, it happens all the time. If he didn't pass and it came out that he was just trying to salvage a relationship with his woman, what then? Is he still a thug or a monster? You can have your opinion...I would never say otherwise but your opinion of somebody you never met is ignorant...IMO

I hear what you're saying but why even say it. I know his cousin, blood cousin...I dont even know why I'm responding to your garbage.

steelreserve
12-18-2009, 03:13 PM
Thing is, you don't know what happened. We could assume all kind of bullshit but the only FACT is that only God and his fiance knows what really happened. I'm 100% certain that people who don't personally know somebody and call them a thug, moron, monster and other IGNORANT names are judgmental...especially if they don't know the facts. But hey, it happens all the time. If he didn't pass and it came out that he was just trying to salvage a relationship with his woman, what then? Is he still a thug or a monster?

No, just an idiot. So regardless of whether he deserves the label of a villain, there's no question that he's still got the poor judgment thing going on.

Just as you do not need to be a professional football coach to recognize a good play or a bad play ... if certain types of events keep happening to someone repeatedly, you do not need to be a close personal friend to be able to observe, with a reasonable degree of certainty, that they are a f***-up. If I'm wrong, oh well, sometimes people buck the odds. But taking an educated guess at a situation where "thug/moron" is the actual outcome 90% of the time, by no means makes one ignorant.

Cold and insensitive, yes. Inconsiderate, certainly. But that's nowhere near the same thing as ignorant.

I hear what you're saying but why even say it. I know his cousin, blood cousin...I dont even know why I'm responding to your garbage.

I really wasn't trying to, until the other guy pressed the issue. I try to keep the really harsh stuff to myself, and he tells me to shut the f*** up? Well, OK, jagoff, then you might as well hear what I really think.

Shellshock
12-18-2009, 09:00 PM
Addition by subtraction.

Havik
12-19-2009, 12:53 AM
What happened to Chris Henry is very unfortunate. It's awful that his children lost their father, and that something like this happened. That being said, he was stupid enough to jump on the back of a moving vehicle, disregarding the safety of himself and his fiance. He had a history of bad decisions and was dumber than a bag of hammers. I feel sorry for his kids, but I'm really having trouble feeling sorry for Chris Henry because this was something he did to himself. His death was his own fault.

Mr. D™
12-19-2009, 10:47 AM
chris was obviously very emotional at the time, he didn't care about his own safety, he just wanted to talk this out well argue this out with his fiance