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revefsreleets
12-20-2009, 03:30 PM
32. No question about it. What a waste...Lindsey Lohan is up next....

Edman
12-20-2009, 04:02 PM
Who?

SteelCityMom
12-20-2009, 04:35 PM
There's been no reports that it was drugs yet...just a cardiac arrest. Drugs are certainly not out of the question...but she looked pretty damned skinny and could have had some kind of weight problem, which can cause heart failure. I'll wait for the coroners report.

BrandonCarr39
12-20-2009, 05:38 PM
What is it with all these celebrities "dying" this year? Over the last 2 years alone, there have been numerous of them, alot of them being at a young age.

revefsreleets
12-20-2009, 06:00 PM
There's been no reports that it was drugs yet...just a cardiac arrest. Drugs are certainly not out of the question...but she looked pretty damned skinny and could have had some kind of weight problem, which can cause heart failure. I'll wait for the coroners report.

Toxicology will confirm this...how many OTHER 32 year-olds die from cardiac arrest? I suspect Chris Henry's will also reveal drugs in his system.

Borski
12-20-2009, 07:34 PM
Toxicology will confirm this...how many OTHER 32 year-olds die from cardiac arrest? I suspect Chris Henry's will also reveal drugs in his system.

Key word.


Why don't you avoid spreading rumors til some facts come out.

AllD
12-20-2009, 07:39 PM
She looks pretty wasted in the press photo they released. Could be a combo of weight loss, downers, and opiates. Oxycontin can stop your heart, expecially mixed with any of the above or alcohol and that is a real popular choice these days.

Polamalu Princess
12-20-2009, 07:45 PM
How sad, she was so young and she had so much life left to live.

stillers4me
12-20-2009, 07:48 PM
Who's Brittany Murphy?

Preacher
12-20-2009, 07:51 PM
Yep.

Seems like it was drugs.

She was probably most famous for the movie 8 mile and for being one of the voices in Happy Feet

43Hitman
12-20-2009, 07:55 PM
Toxicology will confirm this...how many OTHER 32 year-olds die from cardiac arrest? I suspect Chris Henry's will also reveal drugs in his system.

I actually know someone that did die at 32 from a cardiac arrest, so it does happen. Oh and the docs got their asses sued off because she kept telling them something was wrong with her heart but they wouldn't listen.

tony hipchest
12-20-2009, 08:07 PM
Key word.


Why don't you avoid spreading rumors til some facts come out.i think he's just desperately grasping at straws to finally be right about something...

anything.

:noidea:

randy06
12-20-2009, 08:14 PM
32. No question about it. What a waste...Lindsey Lohan is up next....

Moronic post of the year, at least wait for an official word damn.

KeiselPower99
12-20-2009, 08:39 PM
Only thing she did I enjoyed was her on King of the Hill where she voiced Hanks neice Luann. I say it was a eating disorder that caused the cardiac arrest.

Godfather
12-20-2009, 08:46 PM
Lot of things could have caused it.

There's that genetic heart condition that kills a lot of young athletes.

Hormonal birth control can be dangerous--they even admit it in their TV ads.

Recreational drugs are a possibility but I don't ever remember hearing about her being involved in that kind of thing.

7SteelGal43
12-20-2009, 09:19 PM
This is definately sad news, such a waist of a young girl with such talent. I enjoyed her work. I did see one pic of her recently where she looked anorexic, which could lead to major heart problems, so maybe it wasn't drugs. :noidea:

#1 Big Ben Fan
12-20-2009, 09:37 PM
Clueless, 8-mile, Don't Say A Word are three movies off the top of my head she was in.

SteelCityMom
12-20-2009, 09:45 PM
This is definately sad news, such a waist of a young girl with such talent. I enjoyed her work. I did see one pic of her recently where she looked anorexic, which could lead to major heart problems, so maybe it wasn't drugs. :noidea:

That's what I'm thinking too. Again, not saying drugs aren't a possibility, but knowing what she looked like 10 years ago and then seeing recent photos of her, I wouldn't rule an eating disorder out at all.

SteelMember
12-21-2009, 07:19 AM
Nice thread title. Speculate much.

43Hitman
12-21-2009, 10:03 AM
Nice thread title. Speculate much.

Yeah he generally speaks before he thinks...

Indo
12-21-2009, 10:22 AM
Clueless, 8-mile, Don't Say A Word are three movies off the top of my head she was in.

Girl Interrupted----one of her best performances...

Leftoverhard
12-22-2009, 01:08 AM
Many things can lead to cardiac arrest, it bothers me a lot when people speculate. No matter what was the reason, it's very sad. She was great as Luanne on King of the Hill.

steelwalls
12-22-2009, 02:16 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/12/21/brittany.murphy/index.html?section=cnn_latest

Authorities have said the 32-year-old appeared to have died Sunday of natural causes, and there was no sign of foul play or trauma.

"Naturally occurring diseases could be found in any person that could lead to death," said Capt. John Kades of the coroner's office.


Maybe people should wait untill the toxicology is done before posting like this. It may take another 8 weeks for it all to get straightened out but at this point the authorities seem to think it was NOT drugs. Have some respect for the dead at least.

OneForTheToe
12-22-2009, 02:48 AM
Who's Brittany Murphy?

She was very pretty back in the day.

http://www.iheartthat.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/brittany_murphy_grooms_3.jpg

Then, like so many girls in her biz, she got way too skinny.

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/30230-brittany-murphy-looked-emaciated-at-last-public-appearance/1261402328_brittany-skinny-290.jpg

Not sure if that was a symptom, cause, or had nothing to do with anything.

Still, very sad indeed.

Galax Steeler
12-22-2009, 04:03 AM
Either way what a lose at such a young age.

Preacher
12-22-2009, 04:05 AM
Well, it ain't looking good . . . .

A staggering trove of powerful prescription medications was recovered from Brittany Murphy (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Brittany+Murphy)'s bedroom after her untimely death, investigative notes obtained by TMZ.com (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/TMZ.com+Inc.) reveal.
The notes from a Los Angeles County (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Los+Angeles+County) coroner investigator say Murphy, 32, had been complaining of shortness of breath and severe abdominal pain for seven to 10 days before she went to the bathroom about 7:30 a.m. Sunday and collapsed.
Her mother found her on the floor a half-hour later, according to the notes, and Murphy's husband, Simon Monjack (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Simon+Monjack), attempted to revive her by placing her in the shower.
"Large amounts" of prescription medications were found on Murphy's nightstand, and the coroner also found "numerous empty" bottles of prescriptions written to Murphy, her mom, Monjack and unidentified third-party names, the notes said, according to TMZ.
The drugs included the anti-seizure medication Topamax (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Topamax), anti-anxiety medications Klonopin (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Klonopin) and Ativan (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Ativan), pain relievers Vicoprofen (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Vicoprofen) and hydrocodone, depression medication Fluoxetine and hypertension medication Propranolol (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Inderal), TMZ reported.
The shocking report follows an interview Monjack, 39, gave to Access Hollywood (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Access+Hollywood) in which he hit back at suggestions that he was a bad influence on the "Clueless" star.
"My world was destroyed yesterday," Monjack said.
He said his wife's mother found the body in the bathroom.
"Her mom screamed for me and I ran. Then called 911," he told the celebrity outlet.
Coroner spokesman Capt. John Kades (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/John+Kades) told the Daily News that investigators booked the medications into evidence.
He said Monday's autopsy found no obvious cause of death and that a final determination may take up to two months. .
Murphy's estranged dad, Angelo Bertolotti (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Angelo+Bertolotti), demanded a full probe.
"It just astounds me that she's dead," he told The News. "She was just so bubbly, even as a little girl. I don't recall her ever having any health problems."
"She got married and everything seemed to go downhill," said Bertolotti.
A friend of the star echoed persistent rumors that Monjack - who reportedly opposed the autopsy - was a poor match for the saucer-eyed starlet.
"When Brittany married Simon, she cut off communication with a number of people who cherished her," the pal told The News. "She lived in denial about him."
"I don't know why anyone would think that," Monjack shot back in the Access Hollywood interview posted online. "She found love. We found love."
In an eerie last interview, Murphy said this month that she had concerns about her frail frame. "I am a bit thinner now than what I would like to be," she told Fox News (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/FOX+News+Network+LLC).
Denying rumors of drug use and eating disorders, she told Access Hollywood at the same press event: "As far as having a New Year's resolution, I'd love to have a child next year."

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/12/21/2009-12-21_rx_pile_in_brittany_bedroom_meds_for_her_hubby_ _others_found.html#ixzz0aPVzFIZZ



http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2009/12/21/2009-12-21_rx_pile_in_brittany_bedroom_meds_for_her_hubby_ _others_found.html

Preacher
12-22-2009, 04:07 AM
I also find it a bit hypocritical that a number of people jumped on the OP for speculating, but when Ben was accused, there was IMMEDIATE speculation that the accuser was making up everything. (though it later came out that it was at the very least consensual).

Speculation is speculation.

43Hitman
12-22-2009, 07:09 AM
I also find it a bit hypocritical that a number of people jumped on the OP for speculating, but when Ben was accused, there was IMMEDIATE speculation that the accuser was making up everything. (though it later came out that it was at the very least consensual).

Speculation is speculation.

The Brown's are going to hire Cowher.

SteelMember
12-22-2009, 07:20 AM
I also find it a bit hypocritical that a number of people jumped on the OP for speculating, but when Ben was accused, there was IMMEDIATE speculation that the accuser was making up everything. (though it later came out that it was at the very least consensual).

Speculation is speculation.

No offense Preacher, but TMZ as a news source???

Even if I was to keel over tomorrow, heaven forbid, someone could rifle through my medicine cabinet and find some pain killers and old perscriptions. I'm sure most peolple have some.

I also read reports that she was suffering from flu like symptoms, and there was a lot of vomit at the scene. Who's to say it wasn't swine flu, or some other sickness.

People just want something to point at as a cause of death because dying of "natural causes" at 32 doesn't sit well with most people... but to scream drug overdose?!?!

No one else is claiming that at this point.

I think the husband has more eyes looking at him.

________________________

As far as Ben... I think most people knew there was sex.

Tiger said it was ok, and he's married. :hunch:

HometownGal
12-22-2009, 07:29 AM
However she died, it is a tragedy. :tombstone:

SteelMember
12-22-2009, 07:33 AM
Your right, HTG.

To many of these going up lately.

:tombstone:tombstone:tombstone:tombstone:tombstone :tombstone:tombstone:tombstone

revefsreleets
12-22-2009, 07:49 AM
Key word.


Why don't you avoid spreading rumors til some facts come out.

Yeah, because SO many people listen to me?

She was 32...her medicine cabinet was filled with prescription drugs. They were right next to her bed. She's a product of Hollywood. She's a confirmed whack job...so, it's no leap to connect these dots.

My point is much more about all these young people in Hollywood self-destructing...they are NOT role models...

LOL at all the self-righteous people once again bagging on me...

43Hitman
12-22-2009, 08:57 AM
LOL at all the self-righteous people once again bagging on me...

Irony is ironic.

revefsreleets
12-22-2009, 10:41 AM
Irony is ironic.

You're like a woman scorned...you let your anger carry over into everything. Are you just going to tag along behind every one of my posts and bash it like Tony does just because I showed you up a couple times?

Geesh!

SteelCityMom
12-22-2009, 11:08 AM
Well, I appreciate the info from TMZ, and there is truth behind the fact that she had a number of legal prescription drugs, but they rarely tell the whole story.

Unnatural Causes? Brittany Murphy's Death Baffles

The death of actress Brittany Murphy could have been related to a previously undetected heart condition, type-2 diabetes, or even Murphy's rumored thyroid problems, but experts said it's unlikely there was anything "natural" about the cause of her tragic death.

The 32-year-old actress, once considered a rising star in Hollywood, died Sunday after suffering cardiac arrest at her home. She was pronounced dead on arrival at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center at 10:04 a.m.

Murphy's autopsy had been concluded as of 5 p.m. ET Monday, Chief Coroner Ed Winter told ABC News.com. Winter said it will be four to six weeks before laboratory results are in and the official cause of death can be determined.

Winter confirmed that several legal prescription medications – all made out to Murphy – were recovered from her apartment and taken in as evidence.

"No foul play is suspected," Winter said and he told the Associated Press that the cause of death "appears to be natural."

When ABC News contacted experts in toxicology and cardiology concerning Murphy's death, however, they agreed that the circumstances surrounding Murphy's death did not point to natural causes.

"I don't know how in the world [the coroner] can say that," said Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist who has been involved in investigations of past celebrity deaths.

"Epidemiologically, it's not the kind of a situation in which you would expect a natural death," he said. "You just don't expect a 32-year-old, slender woman to have a heart attack or stroke."

Dr. Steve Nissen, chairman of the department of Cardiovascular Medicine at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation, agreed, saying that for a woman of her age to die suddenly of cardiac arrest "is exceedingly uncommon."

Wecht said that reports that she suffered from cardiac arrest does not offer much in the way of a clue to the cause of death:

"Cardiac arrest...that's meaningless, everyone has cardiac arrest when you die, the question is what produced cardiac arrest."

Murphy's family told Winter that the actress was ill with flu-like symptoms in the days before her death, and Winter admitted the reported illness could have contributed to her death, though it will be weeks before a final determination is made.

Experts Probe the Possible Cause

Medical experts weighed in with their thoughts on Murphy's death, noting drugs, a genetic heart condition, complications due to diabetes, and a viral infection of the heart as possible explanations for her death.

Dr. Jeffrey Barnard, professor of pathology at UT Southwestern Medical Center and chief medical examiner for Dallas County, Texas, said several possibilities may be explored including a drug-related death: perhaps a viral infection which led to inflammation of the heart; or heart arrhythmia "from some other source, [such as] low potassium or magnesium [from] prolonged nausea and vomiting."

"If she is excessively thin," LuAnn White of Tulane Center for Applied Environmental Public Health added, "she may be anorexic or bulimic" and the restrictive food or liquid intake or chronic vomiting associated with these disorders could contribute to a "loss of fluids and salts that can induce cardiac arrhythmia and even cardiac arrest."

Several experts also said that Murphy's diabetes and a thyroid condition may have contributed to her death, though indirectly.

"If she had diabetes, it is possible that she had premature coronary artery disease" that could lead to a heart attack, said Dr. Brian Olshanky, professor of medicine at University of Iowa Hospitals. He also said a thyroid condition could have further complicated a viral infection of the heart, but he doubted that thyroid problems alone could have caused her death.

Most experts agreed that even if Murphy did have diabetes and/or thyroid issues, it was unlikely that these conditions were responsible for her death.

"People usually do not die from type 2 diabetes...or thyroid dysfunction unless they are chronically ill," said Dr. Bruce Goldberger, Director of Toxicology at the University of Florida College of Medicine.

Accidental Overdose or Something More?

"The most common causes of sudden death are abnormal heart beats," which can be caused by heart conditions, leg clots, hypertension, or even asthma, and aggravated by stimulants or thyroid medications, said Dr. Michael Roizen, chairman of Cleveland Clinic's Wellness Institute.

Other medical experts echoed this concern over a possible overdose of pharmaceutical drugs, especially considering the prescription medications Los Angeles coroner's office said they took from Murphy's home.

"Illegal or prescription drug overdose are commonly associated with cardiac arrest," said White, adding, "a drug overdose could be accidental, suicide, or homicide."

"Taking two, three, four different drugs and not [realizing] the cumulative effect...these are the things that classically kill people -- Anna Nicole Smith or Heath Ledger, for instance," Wecht said.

Since Sunday morning, the Los Angeles Police Department has launched an investigation into Murphy's death, LAPD spokeswoman Norma Eiseman said.

As in most high-profile cases, officers from the robbery and homicide division were sent to Murphy's home and Cedars-Sinai Hospital to figure out what went wrong.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Celebrity/murphys-death-remains-mystery/story?id=9391769&page=1

43Hitman
12-22-2009, 11:39 AM
You're like a woman scorned...you let your anger carry over into everything. Are you just going to tag along behind every one of my posts and bash it like Tony does just because I showed you up a couple times?

Geesh!

http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/43hitman/whambulance.jpg

revefsreleets
12-22-2009, 11:53 AM
http://i459.photobucket.com/albums/qq312/43hitman/whambulance.jpg

Witty retort.

SteelersinCA
12-22-2009, 12:36 PM
No offense Preacher, but TMZ as a news source???

Even if I was to keel over tomorrow, heaven forbid, someone could rifle through my medicine cabinet and find some pain killers and old perscriptions. I'm sure most peolple have some.

I also read reports that she was suffering from flu like symptoms, and there was a lot of vomit at the scene. Who's to say it wasn't swine flu, or some other sickness.

People just want something to point at as a cause of death because dying of "natural causes" at 32 doesn't sit well with most people... but to scream drug overdose?!?!

No one else is claiming that at this point.

I think the husband has more eyes looking at him.


________________________

As far as Ben... I think most people knew there was sex.

Tiger said it was ok, and he's married. :hunch:


Lots of reputable news sources cite to TMZ these days, ESPN, FOX, CNN.....

Good points on speculation Preach, I notice the same thing, it's rampant.

Dino 6 Rings
12-22-2009, 12:46 PM
Seriously...No kidding...of coarse it was Drug Induced, I didn't need anyone to tell me that a 32 year old woman dying of a cardiac arrest that was also living in LA or Hollywood and was a "Star" died of a drug related incident. It was clearly obvious from the first report.

People don't just have heart attacks as they are going about their daily business, that are in good health, young and vibrant. I mean, if she was 400 pounds, drank 6 gallons of Coke a day, ate at McDonalds 7 times a day, I could see a Cardiac Arrest as a "natural" occurance.

No question in my mind, this chick was popping pills, probably candy flipping to boot (using different types of drugs that aren't recommended to be used together) and it wouldn't surprise me if there weren't some street drugs in hers system as well.

Unless found dead in a ditch after a killer trucker throws her out the cab, or buried in a shallow grave in some psycho's basement, I would say the death of an otherwise healthy 32 year old woman is clearly, Drug Related.

oh wait...her is a "smart person" saying the same thing...mind you I found this after I typed the above stuff, but was looking for some "back up"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/22/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main6009431.shtml?tag=exclsv

"When you have a 32-year-old person dying suddenly, and especially a celebrity in Los Angeles, you can place your bet down that it's going prove to be a case of acute combined drug toxicity. And I bet you that this young lady tragically died in the same way that Michael Jackson did, and Anna Nicole Smith, and her son, Daniel Smith, and Heath Ledger -- a combination of drugs that had been prescribed for her, prescribed for her husband, for her mother, in some fictitious names, probably by doctors who are very, very quick to make available anything that celebrities want, sometimes using knowingly fictitious names.

"So, even though these drugs are, quote, legal, unquote, they are, many times, illegally obtained. And it's a tragedy. And it's being played out everywhere in America every day, and we only come to know about it when it involves celebrities."

What leads Wecht to conclude drugs were involved here?

"I am aware of some of the drugs that were found. One of them was a drug that was involved with Michael Jackson, Adivan. One of them was a drug that was involved with Anna Nicole Smith, Klonopin. Two of the drugs are pain relievers, Hydrocodone, which we frequently see in these cases, and Vicoprofen, a form of Vicodin. So, I guarantee you that, if the pathologists at the Los Angeles coroner's office had found something dramatic, like a heart attack, like a stroke, or like something of a definitive nature, would you have heard about it. The fact that they say that they're going wait for toxicology tests and it will take a couple of months, you can be sure that this is going to prove to be a case of acute combined drug toxicity. A tragedy."

SteelCityMom
12-22-2009, 02:31 PM
Seriously...No kidding...of coarse it was Drug Induced, I didn't need anyone to tell me that a 32 year old woman dying of a cardiac arrest that was also living in LA or Hollywood and was a "Star" died of a drug related incident. It was clearly obvious from the first report.

People don't just have heart attacks as they are going about their daily business, that are in good health, young and vibrant. I mean, if she was 400 pounds, drank 6 gallons of Coke a day, ate at McDonalds 7 times a day, I could see a Cardiac Arrest as a "natural" occurance.

What makes you think she was in good health and vibrant? Her type 2 diabetes? Thyroid condition?Anti - Seizure meds? Depression meds? Hypertension meds? Her Karen Carpenter frame?

I get the gist of what else you wrote...and to an extent agree. It probably was a combination of all these meds and existing conditions that eventually led to her death. I just think the title of the thread is misleading. Makes it sound like she did something intentional or OD'ed on something like crack or heroin. Nobody can really state what the actual case was.

And I do agree that it's too easy for celebs to get their hands on a bunch of different meds that they probably shouldn't be mixing, but someone has to start holding these doctors accountable.

revefsreleets
12-22-2009, 02:50 PM
By the by, I was very DELIBERATELY speculating. I'm not a reporter, and I didn't see anything in the forum rules about "No Speculating".

I'm also speculating that Chris Henry's toxicology report won't be clean, either...

Indo
12-22-2009, 03:05 PM
What makes you think she was in good health and vibrant? Her type 2 diabetes? Thyroid condition?Anti - Seizure meds? Depression meds? Hypertension meds? Her Karen Carpenter frame?

I get the gist of what else you wrote...and to an extent agree. It probably was a combination of all these meds and existing conditions that eventually led to her death. I just think the title of the thread is misleading. Makes it sound like she did something intentional or OD'ed on something like crack or heroin. Nobody can really state what the actual case was.

And I do agree that it's too easy for celebs to get their hands on a bunch of different meds that they probably shouldn't be mixing, but someone has to start holding these doctors accountable.

They are held accountable---by the DEA among other federal agencies.
The problem occurs when patients "Doctor Shop".They will go to Dr. X and say," I have such and such a problem. Can you give me some meds"...then they go to Dr. Y and say the same thing. Then they go to some ER with another similar "crisis". Next thing you know, they have a medicine cabinet full of prescription meds that can all be dangerous when taken together. And not one of the docs did anything wrong. Or illegal. Patients need to take responsibility for themselves.

Exception: The doc who gave Michael Jackson the propofol. He should be put in jail for illegal prescribing and misuse of a drug that is ONLY indicated for use in a monitored setting in a hospital.

SteelCityMom
12-22-2009, 03:28 PM
They are held accountable---by the DEA among other federal agencies.
The problem occurs when patients "Doctor Shop".They will go to Dr. X and say," I have such and such a problem. Can you give me some meds"...then they go to Dr. Y and say the same thing. Then they go to some ER with another similar "crisis". Next thing you know, they have a medicine cabinet full of prescription meds that can all be dangerous when taken together. And not one of the docs did anything wrong. Or illegal. Patients need to take responsibility for themselves.

Exception: The doc who gave Michael Jackson the propofol. He should be put in jail for illegal prescribing and misuse of a drug that is ONLY indicated for use in a monitored setting in a hospital.

True...I get what you're saying. But it is way too easy to do this, especially for celebs. Of course the person needs to be held accountable for what they do, but there should be some kind of reliable system in place that keeps a record of what meds a person is taking...so that Dr. X and Dr. Y know what Patient Z is taking and warn them of the risks of mixing meds and the possibly fatal consequences. The reason I hold doctors partially responsible is that many will turn a blind eye just to make a buck off of the drug companies.

SteelCityMom
12-22-2009, 03:31 PM
By the by, I was very DELIBERATELY speculating. I'm not a reporter, and I didn't see anything in the forum rules about "No Speculating".

I'm also speculating that Chris Henry's toxicology report won't be clean, either...

I do understand your speculation honestly. I'm just the type that doesn't like to jump to conclusions without the facts.

She had a lot of stuff going on medically, this is obvious, and yes, the mixing of prescription drugs more than likely didn't help any...at best. With all the information though, it's hard to call it one way or the other.

Indo
12-22-2009, 03:35 PM
True...I get what you're saying. But it is way too easy to do this, especially for celebs. Of course the person needs to be held accountable for what they do, but there should be some kind of reliable system in place that keeps a record of what meds a person is taking...so that Dr. X and Dr. Y know what Patient Z is taking and warn them of the risks of mixing meds and the possibly fatal consequences. The reason I hold doctors partially responsible is that many will turn a blind eye just to make a buck off of the drug companies.

It only works if the patient goes to the same pharmacy to pick up the meds. Otherwise, there is no way for the meds to be tracked very easily. No matter what safety system is in place, the saavy patients always can find a way around it.

Doctors don't make a penny from the drug companies---unless they go on the lecture circuit to promote a company's drugs. The doc doing the lecture must fully disclose that he/she is being paid by the drug company to promote the drug
(it's a little more complex than this...but you get the general idea...)

SteelCityMom
12-22-2009, 04:04 PM
It only works if the patient goes to the same pharmacy to pick up the meds. Otherwise, there is no way for the meds to be tracked very easily. No matter what safety system is in place, the saavy patients always can find a way around it.

Doctors don't make a penny from the drug companies---unless they go on the lecture circuit to promote a company's drugs. The doc doing the lecture must fully disclose that he/she is being paid by the drug company to promote the drug
(it's a little more complex than this...but you get the general idea...)

Yeah, I see what you're saying here. I just think it would be in doctors and patients best interests to have shared information. Sure some people would still find ways around it...there's no perfect fix, but I think it would cut down a lot on doubling up with doctors, and would help in saving peoples lives in the long run.

Indo
12-22-2009, 04:38 PM
Sometimes the system does work---
About 5-6 years ago I was living in New Orleans and I got a letter from Rite-Aid informing me that a patient of mine had received nearly 500 vicodin tablets from me over a 2-month period! This was a patient that I had written a prescription for 30 tablets (I NEVER give more than that) and then he forged my signature and got between 50-100 at a time for about 2 months.

I immediately called the DEA and reported this and then called Rite-Aid and let them know what was going on. Because pharmacists in a city get to know the prescribing habits of the physicians, they had already put into their own computer system to stop dispensing to this guy and then sent me the letter, knowing that there was something fishy going on.

I don't know what happened to the guy---he was probably arrested by the DEA...
I'm guessing that he was selling the Vicodin on the street where it can get anywhere from $15-$20 a tablet...

So...every now and then the system works. This guy was stupid and kept going to the same pharmacy...and that made it easy to track his activity
Insurance companies will also let you know if a patient is getting too many of these types of drugs (they have records when they reimburse a pharmacy for drugs it dispenses----but not all Insurance Companies will notify a physician of this information. The one that comes to mind is BlueCross/BlueShield---they are pretty good about reporting "fishiness" to physicians

revefsreleets
12-22-2009, 04:41 PM
I do understand your speculation honestly. I'm just the type that doesn't like to jump to conclusions without the facts.

She had a lot of stuff going on medically, this is obvious, and yes, the mixing of prescription drugs more than likely didn't help any...at best. With all the information though, it's hard to call it one way or the other.


I have it at about 90/10 that she dies from an OD.

SteelersinCA
12-22-2009, 05:56 PM
I'd put it at about 100/0, but that's just me. You don't have those kinds of appearance changes and not have a drug problem. Type 2 diabetes, thyroid problem, whatever, she had the money to get THE BEST medical care. She OD'd like so many others. Welcome to Hollywood.

SteelCityMom
12-22-2009, 06:40 PM
I'd put it at about 100/0, but that's just me. You don't have those kinds of appearance changes and not have a drug problem. Type 2 diabetes, thyroid problem, whatever, she had the money to get THE BEST medical care. She OD'd like so many others. Welcome to Hollywood.

Actually, you can have those kinds of appearance changes with a thyroid problem. And the medical treatments for it take anywhere between 3 months to a year to actually take hold, and even then there's no guarantee for no remission. There's no cure for it, just treatment.

The symptoms of hyperthyroidism tend to reflect the rapid metabolism that results from an oversupply of thyroid hormone. Common symptoms include anxiety, insomnia, rapid weight loss, diarrhea, high heart rate, high blood pressure, eye sensitivity/bulging and vision disturbances, and many other concerns.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/symptomsrisks/a/symptomsrisks.htm


Major Stress -- Stress is a factor that appears to trigger the onset of Graves' disease in some patients. Researchers have documented a definite connection between major life stressors -- i.e., death of a spouse, divorce or separation, loss of a job, death of close family member, major accident/personal injury, moving, marriage -- and the onset of Graves' disease.

Symptoms of Graves' Disease/Hyperthyroidism

Weight Changes -- Usually patients lose weight without change in diet or exercise, or they experience dramatically increased appetite (especially for carbohydrates) without any weight gain. Some people lose so much weight and stop eating, or eat so little, that they may be misdiagnosed as anorexic. Some people actually stop eating, or eat very little -- and are considered anorexic. In some cases, women -- especially teenagers -- have actually been misdiagnosed as anorexic, because of rapid, dramatic weight loss, when the actual problem was the onset of Graves' disease. A small percentage of patients actually gain weight with hyperthyroidism because they increase their intake to such an extent that the increased metabolism does not compensate.

Temperature Problems -- Some people with hyperthyroidism feel warm or hot when others are cold, or feel warm all the time. They may run a low grade fever, sweat more, or feel thirsty.

Heart and Blood Pressure Changes -- Symptoms include racing, fast heartbeat, sensation of a "loud" or pounding heartbeat, skipped beats, palpitations, or abnormal heart rhythms.

Gastrointestinal Problems -- Symptoms include frequent bowel movements, loose bowel movements, diarrhea, more frequent urination, or nausea.

Energy / Muscles / Joints -- Hyperthyroid symptoms include extreme fatigue, muscle and joint fatigue, especially in leg and arm muscles, difficulty climbing stairs, exercise intolerance. A percentage of hyperthyroid patients actually have more energy, and feel like they need little sleep, and feel a need to exercise.

Mood Problems -- Most patients with Graves' disease, hyperthyroidism experience some changes to mood and feelings, including depression, mood swings, uncontrollable anger, and irrational anger.

Panic and Anxiety -- Anxiety is a very common hyperthyroidism symptom, including restlessness, nervousness, and even panic attacks. In rare cases, mania, psychosis, or delirium can be hyperthyroidism symptoms.

http://thyroid.about.com/od/hyperthyroidismgraves/a/risks-symptoms.htm

Again, not saying that she just took too many pills isn't a possibility, I just don't think anyone should just assume anything yet, considering she had a number of health problems.

SteelMember
12-23-2009, 07:27 AM
Indo, I totally get what your saying about the responsibility falls on both parties, but if there is such a rampant problem, there needs to be some kind of solution. Be it computerized, or specific papers needed.

I know there has been strides to improve forged script pads, etc., but as you say, if they're Dr. shopping, there needs to be some kind of inter-communication by the Doctors...or the pharmacists. Because there will always be forgery. Even with improved security features.

Look how they tried to slow the bulk sale of ephedrine used in the manufacture of crystal meth . Sure, now I have to sign a book that says I purchased the product, and there is a limit, but if there is no communication between pharmacies... what's the point. Just a paper trail after the fact... If they used the same false name and/or id every time.


And who's to say Michael Jackson's house didn't have a hospital in it.

There was most certainly a doctor and a pharmacy. :chuckle:

revefsreleets
12-23-2009, 10:06 AM
Pittsburgh's own Dr. Cyril Wecht is "speculating" as well. Perhaps some of the braintrust members would care to mock him, as well? I mean, what does he know, he's only performed 14,000 autopsies and consulted on 30,000 more.

I've read that there were some SERIOUS drugs in play here....some of the same stuff that killed Michael Jackson.

http://www.entertainmentandshowbiz.com/brittany-murphy-died-of-drug-overdose-claim-docs-2009122327230

“When you have a 32-year-old person dying suddenly, and especially a celebrity in Los Angeles, you can place your bet down that it’’s going prove to be a case of acute combined drug toxicity,” Dr. Cyril Wecht, a forensic pathologist who has investigated other celebrity deaths, told CBS” “Early Show.”

“And I bet you that this young lady tragically died in the same way that Michael Jackson did, and Anna Nicole Smith, and her son, Daniel Smith, and Heath Ledger — a combination of drugs that had been prescribed for her, prescribed for her husband, for her mother, in some fictitious names, probably by doctors who are very, very quick to make available anything that celebrities want, sometimes using knowingly fictitious names,” Wecht added.

According the New York Post, paramedics who reached Murphy’’s house Sunday discovered a nightstand covered with pills.

“A check of the nightstands revealed large amounts of prescription medication in the decedent’’s name,” the coroner’’s notes said, according to TMZ.com.

Dr. Steve Nissen, chairman of the department of Cardiovascular Medicine at the Cleveland Clinic Foundation, told ABC News it’’s “exceedingly uncommon” for a woman Murphy’’s age to drop dead of cardiac arrest. (ANI)

SteelersinCA
12-23-2009, 12:17 PM
Life is tough when you make that kind of money Rev. It's either OD on drugs or cheat on your wife. Man it would suck to have oodles of cash.....

Indo
12-23-2009, 02:04 PM
Indo, I totally get what your saying about the responsibility falls on both parties, but if there is such a rampant problem, there needs to be some kind of solution. Be it computerized, or specific papers needed.

I know there has been strides to improve forged script pads, etc., but as you say, if they're Dr. shopping, there needs to be some kind of inter-communication by the Doctors...or the pharmacists. Because there will always be forgery. Even with improved security features.

Look how they tried to slow the bulk sale of ephedrine used in the manufacture of crystal meth . Sure, now I have to sign a book that says I purchased the product, and there is a limit, but if there is no communication between pharmacies... what's the point. Just a paper trail after the fact... If they used the same false name and/or id every time.


And who's to say Michael Jackson's house didn't have a hospital in it.

There was most certainly a doctor and a pharmacy. :chuckle:

I agree that more needs to be done---
Some strides have been made. New laws now require that prescriptions be written on "Secure" prescription pads. There are eight (I think) security measures built in to script pads now----for example---there must be a hidden watermark on the paper; if someone tries to copy the script the word "VOID" shows up on the copy; etc
The law now requires that any prescription pad has at least 5 ( again, I don't remember the numbers exactly---5 of 8, or whatever----my pads have all of them)

There is still always ways to get around that---and don't forget that celebrities get "special" treatment. It is ABSOLUTELY "IMPOSSIBLE" to get propofol outside of a hospital or surgery center, and yet Michael Jackson's doc did it. (One possible scenario---he works (or Owns) a surgery center. The propofol was ordered by the surgery center. The doc took it from there to Michael Jackson's house and administered it. All of it fairly untraceable and "under the radar" until something goes wrong.)

I am guessing that new laws are being written as I type this. Patients ask me every day, "Am I gonna get the Michael Jackson drug?" To which I reply, " Yes, you are---but we will give it to you legally, while you are on the proper monitors and under the supervision of an Anesthesiologist". This has become very high profile and, hopefully, has raised enough concern to bring about better reporting by pharmacies.

SteelMember
12-23-2009, 03:55 PM
Are pharmacist's required to call and verify all scripts, or is it just ones they feel are questionable?

Seems like the point of transaction would be the best place to catch people. That's where they catch most of the forged stuff already.

And actually, I know a guy in graphics/printing :wink02: and have seen some of the improvements made in the pads themselves, but just like currency, there will always be someone that can "make 'em". In addition to what you stated before, that there's always going to be the privileged one's that have someone in their pocket or on their payroll.

As far as the MJ drug, I had no idea what that even was before the "accident". I guess unitl someone has a need for it, not many do. :noidea:
Medicine is like that, no? Until it becomes relevant to you, it doesn't really exist. As soon as it does, folks want to know everything about it.

revefsreleets
12-23-2009, 05:15 PM
Hey Indo, I heard Wecht say that she had BOTH the drugs that killed Michael Jackson AND Anna Nicole Smith...can you elaborate on what those drugs are and what they do and such?

WH
12-25-2009, 12:46 PM
If only the US government would step out of the shadows of irresponsibility and make it manditory for all prescribed drugs issued by a physician to be tied to your social security number......and make all pharmacy's check that database before issuing prescribed drugs to someone.

Wouldn't help in this case, because she had drugs from multiple people it seems. But it would help with accidental cases like Heath Ledger and the average joe.

kittenfantastico76
12-28-2009, 10:53 AM
I was sad to hear about this - I've always thought she was adorable (minus that whole being in 8 Mile thing - yuk). But I will always love her for her role in Clueless and being Louann on King of the Hill.

kittenfantastico76
12-28-2009, 10:56 AM
Are pharmacist's required to call and verify all scripts, or is it just ones they feel are questionable?

Seems like the point of transaction would be the best place to catch people. That's where they catch most of the forged stuff already.

And actually, I know a guy in graphics/printing :wink02: and have seen some of the improvements made in the pads themselves, but just like currency, there will always be someone that can "make 'em". In addition to what you stated before, that there's always going to be the privileged one's that have someone in their pocket or on their payroll.

As far as the MJ drug, I had no idea what that even was before the "accident". I guess unitl someone has a need for it, not many do. :noidea:
Medicine is like that, no? Until it becomes relevant to you, it doesn't really exist. As soon as it does, folks want to know everything about it.

The hardest part often isn't the fact that someone is forging signatures/false Rx etc it's that some people that want the drugs bad enough will go to different doctors AND different pharmacies and claim they aren't taking certain harmful if mixed drugs. If you don't tell a doctor what you're taking there is no way for them to truly know without your records or blood tests.

I'm still not over Heath Ledger's passing - he was WAY too talented to be gone so soon. But I guess that can be said about many of Hollywood's young stars.

Preacher
12-28-2009, 04:22 PM
Life is tough when you make that kind of money Rev. It's either OD on drugs or cheat on your wife. Man it would suck to have oodles of cash.....

Actually, that is exactly what ends up happening.

There's a hole inside that they just can't fill. Drugs, sex, sycophants fill it for a time, but the law of diminishing returns demands more and more.

This isn't true of everyone, but people still are surprised when the old adage comes true time and again,

You can't buy happiness/you can't buy love

Indo
12-28-2009, 04:53 PM
If only the US government would step out of the shadows of irresponsibility and make it manditory for all prescribed drugs issued by a physician to be tied to your social security number......and make all pharmacy's check that database before issuing prescribed drugs to someone.

Wouldn't help in this case, because she had drugs from multiple people it seems. But it would help with accidental cases like Heath Ledger and the average joe.

This is already done---
Any MD who prescribes "controlled Substances" must have BOTH a state-issued Controlled substance license as well as a DEA License. All drugs issued by a physician are tied/linked to these numbers...

Indo
12-28-2009, 04:59 PM
Hey Indo, I heard Wecht say that she had BOTH the drugs that killed Michael Jackson AND Anna Nicole Smith...can you elaborate on what those drugs are and what they do and such?

Sorry ---- I just saw this

Unfortunately I only am aware of one of the "Michael Jackson Drugs" and don't know enough about the Anna Nicole case

The primary drug used with MJ was propofol (brand name Diprivan)...

I don't have time to elaborate right now (gotta go see a sick guy in the ICU), but you can start with this drug info. There is a lot more to read about it if you google it (propofol)

http://www.rxlist.com/diprivan-drug.htm

I'll try to post more later when I get a chance and I'll try to see if I can find out what other drugs were found in the MJ and Anna Nicole cases

tony hipchest
12-28-2009, 05:07 PM
i have a strong feeling that brittany murphy didnt have the oxygen tanks, iv system or the live in doctor to administer porpofol like mj did.

however, i am almost sure her, mj, and anna smith had every form of narcotic painkiller at their disposal.

revefsreleets
12-29-2009, 07:58 AM
Sorry ---- I just saw this

Unfortunately I only am aware of one of the "Michael Jackson Drugs" and don't know enough about the Anna Nicole case

The primary drug used with MJ was propofol (brand name Diprivan)...

I don't have time to elaborate right now (gotta go see a sick guy in the ICU), but you can start with this drug info. There is a lot more to read about it if you google it (propofol)

http://www.rxlist.com/diprivan-drug.htm

I'll try to post more later when I get a chance and I'll try to see if I can find out what other drugs were found in the MJ and Anna Nicole cases

Adinal (sp)?

Indo
12-29-2009, 10:52 AM
I'm guessing you mean Adderall---another bad player

http://www.rxlist.com/adderall-drug.htm

SteelMember
01-18-2010, 01:47 PM
Mother Denies Brittany Murphy Did Drugs-Entertainment Tonight, January 16, 2010

Brittany Murphy's mother Sharon and husband Simon Monjack are speaking out about what they believe caused their loved one's death.

Sharon Murphy tells People.com that she and Monjack think the late actress' death stemmed from a congenital heart murmur. They say that Bittany was diagnosed with the condition in her teens and had received sufficient medical care for it since.

"We had it checked out every which way you could imagine," Monjack says.

Murphy’s mother says her daughter’s “bubbly” personality might have fueled rumors of drug use, which she calls untrue. "She never even drank. Maybe a glass of champagne at New Years," Sharon tells the site. "But everyone used to say she was wasted, she was this, she was that. It was hard for anyone to imagine that somebody was so high on life."

Murphy’s mother and Monjack also say the late actress didn’t suffer from mental illness or battle an eating disorder. "Do you not think anybody would have picked up on this anorexic, mentally deranged person?" Monjack says. "It's ludicrous."

An in-depth interview with Sharon Murphy and Simon Monjack appears in this week's People magazine, on stands Jan. 22.

___________________________

While I'm sure any parent would have a difficult time accepting a drug overdose as the reason their child passed away, this at the very least, could be a possibility. I'm sure this information wasn't common knowledge for most "fans". :noidea:

revefsreleets
02-04-2010, 12:45 PM
Brittany Murphy dead from drugs.

It's confirmed. "Multiple drug intoxication"

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/coroner-pneumonia-drugs-killed-brittany-murphy/35299?nc

Anyone want to apologize to me now?

SteelersinCA
02-04-2010, 01:13 PM
Yeah, I want people to come on here and act surprised.

SteelMember
02-04-2010, 03:29 PM
Anyone want to apologize to me now?

ummmm. no. :flap:

supa_fly_steeler
02-04-2010, 03:57 PM
shes the slag from 8 mile? huh not surprised

rip though

Dino 6 Rings
02-04-2010, 04:25 PM
Seriously...No kidding...of coarse it was Drug Induced, I didn't need anyone to tell me that a 32 year old woman dying of a cardiac arrest that was also living in LA or Hollywood and was a "Star" died of a drug related incident. It was clearly obvious from the first report.

People don't just have heart attacks as they are going about their daily business, that are in good health, young and vibrant. I mean, if she was 400 pounds, drank 6 gallons of Coke a day, ate at McDonalds 7 times a day, I could see a Cardiac Arrest as a "natural" occurance.

No question in my mind, this chick was popping pills, probably candy flipping to boot (using different types of drugs that aren't recommended to be used together) and it wouldn't surprise me if there weren't some street drugs in hers system as well.

Unless found dead in a ditch after a killer trucker throws her out the cab, or buried in a shallow grave in some psycho's basement, I would say the death of an otherwise healthy 32 year old woman is clearly, Drug Related.

oh wait...her is a "smart person" saying the same thing...mind you I found this after I typed the above stuff, but was looking for some "back up"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/12/22/earlyshow/leisure/celebspot/main6009431.shtml?tag=exclsv

"When you have a 32-year-old person dying suddenly, and especially a celebrity in Los Angeles, you can place your bet down that it's going prove to be a case of acute combined drug toxicity. And I bet you that this young lady tragically died in the same way that Michael Jackson did, and Anna Nicole Smith, and her son, Daniel Smith, and Heath Ledger -- a combination of drugs that had been prescribed for her, prescribed for her husband, for her mother, in some fictitious names, probably by doctors who are very, very quick to make available anything that celebrities want, sometimes using knowingly fictitious names.

"So, even though these drugs are, quote, legal, unquote, they are, many times, illegally obtained. And it's a tragedy. And it's being played out everywhere in America every day, and we only come to know about it when it involves celebrities."

What leads Wecht to conclude drugs were involved here?

"I am aware of some of the drugs that were found. One of them was a drug that was involved with Michael Jackson, Adivan. One of them was a drug that was involved with Anna Nicole Smith, Klonopin. Two of the drugs are pain relievers, Hydrocodone, which we frequently see in these cases, and Vicoprofen, a form of Vicodin. So, I guarantee you that, if the pathologists at the Los Angeles coroner's office had found something dramatic, like a heart attack, like a stroke, or like something of a definitive nature, would you have heard about it. The fact that they say that they're going wait for toxicology tests and it will take a couple of months, you can be sure that this is going to prove to be a case of acute combined drug toxicity. A tragedy."


What was that again?

Oh Right:

LOS ANGELES - Brittany Murphy died from pneumonia, but anemia and prescription drugs also played a role, coroner's officials said Thursday.

The primary cause of death was community-acquired pneumonia, with contributing factors of iron deficiency anemia and "multiple drug intoxication," according to the Los Angeles County coroner's office.

SteelCityMom
02-04-2010, 05:14 PM
Not exactly surprised by this, since it was already reported weeks ago that she had a bunch of different prescriptions for different things. That certainly didn't help any being so sick at the time. My Dad was on a ton of different meds for a number of different ailments before he died, and you really have to be very careful with your doses.

Fire Haley
02-04-2010, 05:17 PM
I haven't even taken a Motrin in the last 5 years.

But then I lead a pure life.

SteelersinCA
02-04-2010, 09:38 PM
HAHAHAHA that made m lol Killer! Thank you.

tony hipchest
02-04-2010, 10:25 PM
Anyone want to apologize to me now?

:toofunny:.... no taker's huh? hilarious!

i wonder why. :coffee:


i think he's just desperately grasping at straws to finally be right about something...

anything.

:noidea:

MasterOfPuppets
02-05-2010, 02:59 AM
Brittany Murphy's death was accidental, the L.A. County Coroner determined, TMZ reports.

According to the coroner's findings, the 32-year-old died of community acquired pneumonia, iron deficiency anemia and multiple drug intoxication -- which included prescription and over-the-counter drugs.

The report also indicated that her death was "preventable." TMZ says that her pneumonia was "treatable," but she wasn't taken to the doctor in time.

"This death could've been preventable," Assistant Chief Ed Winter says, PEOPLE reports.

"Murphy was planning on seeing a doctor, but she unfortunately passed away before she did. This was a case of a person with pneumonia who was anemic (having a low blood count) who was taking medication when she should've been getting medical treatment," Winter adds.

In a previous interview with PEOPLE, Brittany's husband Simon Monjack said, "I took very good care of my wife ... She was on an antibiotic and she was taking cough medicine and doing all the right things."

Winter reiterates that there were no illegal drugs found in her system. "It was only prescription and over-the-counter meds."

Furthermore, he reveals that Monjack was never a suspect. "He was never considered a suspect. No one's criminally liable here because this has been ruled an accident."

A full toxicology report is expected in two weeks.

Murphy was found dead in her bathroom by Monjack. Since her death, he and the 'Clueless' star's mother insisted that her death was not drug related, but rather caused by a heart condition.

They've also maintained that she did not suffer from an eating disorder.

zulater
02-05-2010, 06:02 AM
Damn, pretty sad when someone's death becomes a "gotcha" thread. :shake01:

Texasteel
02-05-2010, 06:28 AM
Damn, pretty sad when someone's death becomes a "gotcha" thread. :shake01:

Unfortunately, this board seems to have turning in that direction, in almost every thread.

revefsreleets
02-05-2010, 09:51 AM
Gotcha?

Hardly. Just common sense. How awful is it when I have to waste half my posts defending the utterly and completely obvious from people who, without even THINKING about it, simply pile on in some lame "groupthink" in every thread?