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madtowndrunkard
12-21-2009, 10:45 AM
29/46 - 503 yards / 3 TD's / ZERO INT's

Statistically the best game of any Steeler QB.

I think back to all of Ben's great games and this ranks up there with some of his best. A career highlight IMO. I just got done re watching the game and some of those plays Ben made were un friggen believable. I didn't really realize just how impressive Ben and his receiving corp was until watching it a second time. Heath, Ward, Wallace, and Holmes all made spectacular catches....along with Ben making some spectacular escapes and throws.

I definitely would not endorse any game plan that had us attempting to throw the ball 52 times vs 18 rushing attempts. But it was impressive none the less.

One thing about Ben that really has me scratching my head is his inability to throw the deep ball. He probably has one of the worst deep balls in the league. How can a QB be so unbelievably good throwing 20-30 yard passes and then can't hit a WR in stride running straight down the field? Im' not hacking Ben (he's a great QB who's destined for the HOF if he keeps this up....I'm just saying it's weird. He'll throw a 30 yard laser beam between defenders, hit a WR in stride, while he's running for his life......then hell under throw a wide open Wallace streaking down the side line. Maybe he should practice his deep balls more? Is he so worried that he'll over throw the WR that he puts too much air under the ball?

Angus Burgher
12-21-2009, 10:47 AM
Didn't he throw a 60-yard pass to Wallace on the first play of the game? That not deep enough for you?

SCSTILLER
12-21-2009, 10:51 AM
Didn't he throw a 60-yard pass to Wallace on the first play of the game? That not deep enough for you?

That was almost batted down by the defender because Wallace had to slow down and wait for it and the defender had a chance to catch up. So no, not deep enough, hit him in stride and take the DB out of the equation.

Not knocking Ben, but that ball was underthrown.

Bluedust
12-21-2009, 10:54 AM
The Packers are the top 1 or 2 defense too, very impressive.

Indo
12-21-2009, 10:57 AM
Maybe he just underestimates Wallace's speed---the dude is Faaasssssst.....

but I agree; it would be nice to see Ben hit Mikey in stride
(but as long as the outcome is the same, I'm not sure I really care)

madtowndrunkard
12-21-2009, 10:57 AM
Didn't he throw a 60-yard pass to Wallace on the first play of the game? That not deep enough for you?


Yep he did.....and Wallace had to stop and wait for the ball. That pass made my point perfectly. Wallace was a good 5-10 yards in front of that DB. Wallace adjusted to the ball, caught it, broke a pathetic tackle attempt and walked into the endzone.

That was more on Wallace then it was Ben making a good throw.

Angus Burgher
12-21-2009, 10:57 AM
That was almost batted down by the defender because Wallace had to slow down and wait for it and the defender had a chance to catch up. So no, not deep enough, hit him in stride and take the DB out of the equation.

Not knocking Ben, but that ball was underthrown.

I'm constantly amazed at how easy fans seem to think it is to chuck a ball 60-80 yards right on target. JaMarcus Russell can throw a ball really far. Would you rather we traded Ben for him? I'll take the guy who can hit usually his targets (even if it means that the receivers occasionally have to adjust their speed to the throw) over guys who can throw 100-yard passes into the stands.

supa_fly_steeler
12-21-2009, 10:58 AM
no it wasn't. he has had a perfect passing game before, but this was impressive.

madtowndrunkard
12-21-2009, 11:00 AM
That was almost batted down by the defender because Wallace had to slow down and wait for it and the defender had a chance to catch up. So no, not deep enough, hit him in stride and take the DB out of the equation.

Not knocking Ben, but that ball was underthrown.


Exactly.

I am not knocking Ben either. Like I said he can hit a hair on a knats ass 30 yards down field, but send a WR streaking down the side line 50+ yards and he'll under throw it. He did it on the Wallace TD to start the game and he did it on that deep completion to Ward later in the game.

We've got a great QB and great WR's....they both make up for each others short comings. It amazes me that our offense is not ranked in the top 5 in the NFL rushing and passing.

fansince'76
12-21-2009, 11:00 AM
I'm constantly amazed at how easy fans seem to think it is to chuck a ball 60-80 yards right on target. JaMarcus Russell can throw a ball really far. Would you rather we traded Ben for him? I'll take the guy who can hit usually his targets (even if it means that the receivers occasionally have to adjust their speed to the throw) over guys who can throw 100-yard passes into the stands.

(See: Kordell)

Angus Burgher
12-21-2009, 11:00 AM
lol

zulater
12-21-2009, 11:02 AM
I've always thought b-tching about Ben's deep ball is akin to moaning about a super model's cooking.

madtowndrunkard
12-21-2009, 11:05 AM
I'm constantly amazed at how easy fans seem to think it is to chuck a ball 60-80 yards right on target. JaMarcus Russell can throw a ball really far. Would you rather we traded Ben for him? I'll take the guy who can hit usually his targets (even if it means that the receivers occasionally have to adjust their speed to the throw) over guys who can throw 100-yard passes into the stands.


You missed the point entirely. No one is saying that throwing a deep ball is easy.

I am saying Ben is not very good at throwing a deep ball accurately compared to the rest of the league. JaMarcus Russell sucks.

Ben is a great QB - obviously. Watch any elite QB in the league and I would say most if not all do a better job of hitting a wide open WR running a deep route. That said good luck finding another QB who can hit a WR in stride 20-30 yards down field like Ben does on a regular basis. That game winning TD was a prime example. Ben put that ball in the only spot it could possibly be caught and Ben was about 30yards down field when he threw that ball. So he obviously has a strong arm....I find it strange that Ben struggles with the deep balls.

Angus Burgher
12-21-2009, 11:05 AM
Exactly.

I am not knocking Ben either. Like I said he can hit a hair on a knats ass 30 yards down field, but send a WR streaking down the side line 50+ yards and he'll under throw it. He did it on the Wallace TD to start the game and he did it on that deep completion to Ward later in the game.

We've got a great QB and great WR's....they both make up for each others short comings. It amazes me that our offense is not ranked in the top 5 in the NFL rushing and passing.

Fair enough. I guess the way I see it though, I've seen guys like Jay Cutler throw deep balls into the end zone and WRs not being able to catch up to them or grab at it and drop it. I've also seen Ben do this too (Limas Sweed, anyone?). So they way I see it, if he throws a deep ball - even if it's not deep enough for a WR to catch it in stride, I'm happy so long as it is caught.

madtowndrunkard
12-21-2009, 11:06 AM
I've always thought b-tching about Ben's deep ball is akin to moaning about a super model's cooking.


True, but if you were married to that super model then the shitty cooking might be a little bit of an issue...... as we are basically married to Ben. :chuckle:

Indo
12-21-2009, 11:07 AM
Incidentally, Ben's QB rating for this game 153.23275862068965

I used this calculator:

http://www.primecomputing.com/

29 completions
46 attempts
503 yards
3 TDs
0 INTs

zulater
12-21-2009, 11:08 AM
True, but if you were married to that super model then the shitty cooking might be a little bit of an issue...... as we are basically married to Ben. :chuckle:

With a super model's salary you hire a cook, or make reservations :chuckle:

JCPsteelers
12-21-2009, 11:13 AM
Wow, great question.. This game has to rank in the Top 5 of Big Ben's performances.



Trying to think about certain games that stand out on the fly (and ones against legit teams).


The game against Denver (1st half) in the 05 playoffs was pretty damn good.

BigBen'sSwagger
12-21-2009, 11:26 AM
IMHO see Superbowl XLIII that was the legend at his finest hour. 2 minutes to go 80 yards between him and victory he got the ball where it needed to be. Santonio made some fantastic plays as well and one helluva grab so don't think I am knocking him, but that drive was as much about Ben as it was Santonio. The two of em were in the zone. The pass that won it could not have been thrown any better and the one before it was on target as well. Again this is my opinion.

yardage wise this one was better but the best was in the biggest game on the greatest stage and Ben rocked it.

JEFF4i
12-21-2009, 11:27 AM
Maybe Big Ben had the length, but thought as he was throwing of other considerations?

madtowndrunkard
12-21-2009, 11:31 AM
Wow, great question.. This game has to rank in the Top 5 of Big Ben's performances.



Trying to think about certain games that stand out on the fly (and ones against legit teams).


The game against Denver (1st half) in the 05 playoffs was pretty damn good.

The playoff game in Indy in 05 was one of my personal favorites and Ben didn't even throw for 200 yards. He did though makes some crucial completions that won that helped win that game for us.

I personally think last years SB was Bens' best performance ever though. He was the true SB MVP last year. Nothing against Holmes and that catch. Ben only had like 250 yards passing but he was efficient and made great plays on the biggest stage ever. That said I honestly think that game was one of Bens best.

BigBen'sSwagger
12-21-2009, 11:33 AM
This one was good but my top 5 are

5. Win against the cowboys rookie season Ben leads the team from behind in the 4th quarter in Dallas (a sign of things to come and I hate the cowboys)
4. Win against the cheats rookie season stopping the cheats win streak dead in it's path
3. The very next week against Philly same thing we crushed the iggles
2. 75th anniversary game Ben passes for 5 TD's in one 1/2 tying only tom terrific
1. Superbowl XLIII Game winning drive and all the world is watching.

BigBen'sSwagger
12-21-2009, 11:35 AM
Wow and I forgot the indy game good catch his game saving tackle outstanding!!!

Nadroj 20
12-21-2009, 11:40 AM
This is one of the best games ive seen him play....Its has to be one of the best if not the best.....great game BB

zulater
12-21-2009, 12:10 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/312107-ben-roethlisberger-truly-one-of-the-best-of-his-time

Ben Roethlisberger may be the player in the NFL with the widest gap in popularity. There are those who worship him. Then there are those who post comments on Bleacher Report saying he sucks and shouldn't be in the NFL.

I am somewhere in the middle, though much more heavily leaning toward the "he is amazing" side. I can understand why some might not love his style of play. But saying he is not even a good QB is just ignorant of the facts. I am definitely not saying anyone is ignorant, just that you might not know everything there is to know.

First of all, Ben has a career QB rating of 91.5, and that's good enough for top 10 all time. He's one of only 10 quarterbacks ever to throw for 500 yards in a game. He went 13-0 in his first season, and won rookie of the year, and then won two Super Bowls in his first five years in the league.

He's one of the only people to have thrown a perfect game in terms of quarterback rating, and he managed to do it three times in his short career—more than anyone else except Peyton Manning.

In the first Super Bowl he played in, he was a kid who had never been on even close to such a large stage before, and it showed. I'm not making excuses; he sucked, incredibly. But in the playoffs leading up to that game, he put the team on his back against both Indy and Denver, carrying them through the playoffs and single-handedly saving the season with his legendary tackle of Nick Harper against the Colts.

Yes, the Steelers' defense is quite often one of the best in the NFL. But it is also true that for most of his career Ben has had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. He gets pressured a ridiculous amount and not only gets away from the pressure, he exceeds expectations and manages to be the best quarterback in the game when on the run.

His escapes are ridiculous. It is here where his true value lies. His intangibles.

There is no statistic for number-of-defenders-that-attempted-to-tackle-quarterback-but-hit-him-and-he-escaped-and-then-he-threw-a-pass-that-was-either-a-first-down-or-touchdown. First of all, that abbreviation would be absolutely ridiculous. But second of all, no one seems to notice that because he makes it look so easy.

The Super Bowl last year is a prime example. He avoided pressure again and again, scrambling for over 10 seconds on the final TD play, before finally pulling the win out of his ass.

His third season in the NFL was marred with crappiness. He threw more interceptions than touchdowns and his completion percentage was "awful" (I do not agree, as at 59.7 percent, it's better than Eli Manning's career percentage, is better than quite a few seasons from Brett Favre, and is eerily similar to Matt Hasselbeck's career percentage as well), and he took his team from 11-5 and a Super Bowl win to 8-8.

Ben's worst season was about the same as overall career numbers for a few highly regarded quarterbacks. This was during a season in which he broke his face and ripped open his body. I heard Chuck Norris tried those things and cried, but Ben only whimpered.

At his best, which, until this year, was 2007, he had a QB Rating of 104 and threw 34 TDs, both are excellent numbers.

At this point in his career, he is the Steelers. A few years ago, some made the assessment that he was just a game manager. Well, that is long gone. He is now a premier quarterback in the NFL. When was the last time a game manager threw for 500 yards or four TDs? When was the last time a game manager drove his team 88 yards in two minutes to win a Super Bowl?

Ben truly has evolved into one of the best QB's of his era. He is very unconventional, so it's only natural for some to hate him. He will never own the ****y, pretty look of Manning or Brady as they stand cooly in the pocket and sling a ball to a receiver without taking a step near the edge of the pocket.

But they will never take a broken play and turn it into a game winning touchdown. Stating Ben is "the best in the game" or "top five, definitely" makes no sense, as this is all subjective, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. The stats are all there saying he's a top player. The actual plays are there saying he's a top player. I firmly believe he is a top player.

There can be arguments made for Brady, Manning, Brees, Palmer, Rivers, baby-Manning, Favre, McNabb, Schaub, Rodgers, Warner, Romo, or Cutler. I don't care. Give me an average team with average players across the board and I get to pick any current QB, Ben will be in my top three every time. I don't actually believe what I'm seeing sometimes when I watch him.

If the Steelers D hadn't given up every game this year (they've lead or tied in the fourth quarter every game they've lost), then Ben would be getting serious MVP consideration. He has put the Steelers in position to win every game and the vaunted defense has let him down. This week he was forced to win against Green Bay three separate times because his D let them score almost at will.

Even at just 10-4, Ben would be right near the top of the discussion of best player for his team. He currently has 22 touchdowns to only 11 interceptions and 3,800 yards. Those are quite a set of good numbers. At this point, Peyton and Drew are inching away, and one of them is going to take it easily, but Ben is right at their heels. He should not win it by any means, but he should get more notice than he does.

He is, in my opinion, one of the most underrated players in the NFL. Half of the people that talk about him say he sucks or that the Steelers carry him, but I firmly believe they don't even watch the games. It's been the other way around for two seasons now. Without Ben, the Steelers are a 7-9, 6-10 team at best. With him, they have a chance to be a Super Bowl contender every year.

Yes, Ben has issues. Sometimes I want to punch him in the face when I watch him run around for five seconds, see a defender, look around some more, then get wrapped up and hold that stupid look on his face as he realizes he got sacked for the ninth time in a game.

But the truth is, I'll take the sacks any day because if he didn't try to make so many plays, he wouldn't be nearly the quarterback he is. That quarterback is one of the best in the NFL. Big Ben has emerged as an excellent, excellent player. And people need to start taking notice.

He had the period of five years where people could still hold that first year in the league where he was a game manager over his head. That's over now. He's one of the most dangerous QB's ever to play the game, reminiscent of Fran Tarkenton, except Ben is better.

By the end of his career, he's on pace for 55,000 career passing yards, 340 touchdowns, a QB rating of above 90, and 160 wins. I won't predict how many Super Bowls he might win, but with two in his first five years, we can guesstimate it might be more.

Those statistics are not only HOF worthy, but a few of them will approach Dan Marino's numbers, which are widely regarded as some of the best of all time. Ben will be on pace for only 6,000 less yards than Marino, spread that over 10 more years, it's only an extra hundred yards or so a year.

He is already a machine; in 10 more years he'll be ridiculous.

I am tired of having to argue Ben's case every time a quarterback discussion pops up. Everything points to him being a superior player—stats, wins, intangibles, Super Bowls, everything. He could retire now and make a claim he belongs in the Hall of Fame—it would be ludicrous, but it would be arguable to some.

Big Ben has transformed from a kid who was dragged along by the Bus and Blitzburgh of the 2000s to a fantastic player—the best player on a very great team—and one of the best players in the NFL.

I won't be able to convince all of you, hell not even most of you. But I don't need to. I can see the truth myself. Give it time if you need to, but please don't argue and be forced to eat your words years from now.

Ben Roethlisberger is one of the best quarterbacks of his generation and a worthy heir to Favre, Manning, and Brady. When they retire, he will assume the mantle of the league's preeminent player.

And then lose that mantle when Favre un-retires. And then regain it when the bearded one finally hangs it up.

Etcetera for who knows how long.

T.Richardson
12-21-2009, 12:24 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/312107-ben-roethlisberger-truly-one-of-the-best-of-his-time

Ben Roethlisberger may be the player in the NFL with the widest gap in popularity. There are those who worship him. Then there are those who post comments on Bleacher Report saying he sucks and shouldn't be in the NFL.

I am somewhere in the middle, though much more heavily leaning toward the "he is amazing" side. I can understand why some might not love his style of play. But saying he is not even a good QB is just ignorant of the facts. I am definitely not saying anyone is ignorant, just that you might not know everything there is to know.

First of all, Ben has a career QB rating of 91.5, and that's good enough for top 10 all time. He's one of only 10 quarterbacks ever to throw for 500 yards in a game. He went 13-0 in his first season, and won rookie of the year, and then won two Super Bowls in his first five years in the league.

He's one of the only people to have thrown a perfect game in terms of quarterback rating, and he managed to do it three times in his short career—more than anyone else except Peyton Manning.

In the first Super Bowl he played in, he was a kid who had never been on even close to such a large stage before, and it showed. I'm not making excuses; he sucked, incredibly. But in the playoffs leading up to that game, he put the team on his back against both Indy and Denver, carrying them through the playoffs and single-handedly saving the season with his legendary tackle of Nick Harper against the Colts.

Yes, the Steelers' defense is quite often one of the best in the NFL. But it is also true that for most of his career Ben has had one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. He gets pressured a ridiculous amount and not only gets away from the pressure, he exceeds expectations and manages to be the best quarterback in the game when on the run.

His escapes are ridiculous. It is here where his true value lies. His intangibles.

There is no statistic for number-of-defenders-that-attempted-to-tackle-quarterback-but-hit-him-and-he-escaped-and-then-he-threw-a-pass-that-was-either-a-first-down-or-touchdown. First of all, that abbreviation would be absolutely ridiculous. But second of all, no one seems to notice that because he makes it look so easy.

The Super Bowl last year is a prime example. He avoided pressure again and again, scrambling for over 10 seconds on the final TD play, before finally pulling the win out of his ass.

His third season in the NFL was marred with crappiness. He threw more interceptions than touchdowns and his completion percentage was "awful" (I do not agree, as at 59.7 percent, it's better than Eli Manning's career percentage, is better than quite a few seasons from Brett Favre, and is eerily similar to Matt Hasselbeck's career percentage as well), and he took his team from 11-5 and a Super Bowl win to 8-8.

Ben's worst season was about the same as overall career numbers for a few highly regarded quarterbacks. This was during a season in which he broke his face and ripped open his body. I heard Chuck Norris tried those things and cried, but Ben only whimpered.
At his best, which, until this year, was 2007, he had a QB Rating of 104 and threw 34 TDs, both are excellent numbers.

At this point in his career, he is the Steelers. A few years ago, some made the assessment that he was just a game manager. Well, that is long gone. He is now a premier quarterback in the NFL. When was the last time a game manager threw for 500 yards or four TDs? When was the last time a game manager drove his team 88 yards in two minutes to win a Super Bowl?

Ben truly has evolved into one of the best QB's of his era. He is very unconventional, so it's only natural for some to hate him. He will never own the ****y, pretty look of Manning or Brady as they stand cooly in the pocket and sling a ball to a receiver without taking a step near the edge of the pocket.

But they will never take a broken play and turn it into a game winning touchdown. Stating Ben is "the best in the game" or "top five, definitely" makes no sense, as this is all subjective, and everyone is entitled to their opinion. The stats are all there saying he's a top player. The actual plays are there saying he's a top player. I firmly believe he is a top player.

There can be arguments made for Brady, Manning, Brees, Palmer, Rivers, baby-Manning, Favre, McNabb, Schaub, Rodgers, Warner, Romo, or Cutler. I don't care. Give me an average team with average players across the board and I get to pick any current QB, Ben will be in my top three every time. I don't actually believe what I'm seeing sometimes when I watch him.

If the Steelers D hadn't given up every game this year (they've lead or tied in the fourth quarter every game they've lost), then Ben would be getting serious MVP consideration. He has put the Steelers in position to win every game and the vaunted defense has let him down. This week he was forced to win against Green Bay three separate times because his D let them score almost at will.

Even at just 10-4, Ben would be right near the top of the discussion of best player for his team. He currently has 22 touchdowns to only 11 interceptions and 3,800 yards. Those are quite a set of good numbers. At this point, Peyton and Drew are inching away, and one of them is going to take it easily, but Ben is right at their heels. He should not win it by any means, but he should get more notice than he does.

He is, in my opinion, one of the most underrated players in the NFL. Half of the people that talk about him say he sucks or that the Steelers carry him, but I firmly believe they don't even watch the games. It's been the other way around for two seasons now. Without Ben, the Steelers are a 7-9, 6-10 team at best. With him, they have a chance to be a Super Bowl contender every year.

Yes, Ben has issues. Sometimes I want to punch him in the face when I watch him run around for five seconds, see a defender, look around some more, then get wrapped up and hold that stupid look on his face as he realizes he got sacked for the ninth time in a game.

But the truth is, I'll take the sacks any day because if he didn't try to make so many plays, he wouldn't be nearly the quarterback he is. That quarterback is one of the best in the NFL. Big Ben has emerged as an excellent, excellent player. And people need to start taking notice.

He had the period of five years where people could still hold that first year in the league where he was a game manager over his head. That's over now. He's one of the most dangerous QB's ever to play the game, reminiscent of Fran Tarkenton, except Ben is better.

By the end of his career, he's on pace for 55,000 career passing yards, 340 touchdowns, a QB rating of above 90, and 160 wins. I won't predict how many Super Bowls he might win, but with two in his first five years, we can guesstimate it might be more.

Those statistics are not only HOF worthy, but a few of them will approach Dan Marino's numbers, which are widely regarded as some of the best of all time. Ben will be on pace for only 6,000 less yards than Marino, spread that over 10 more years, it's only an extra hundred yards or so a year.

He is already a machine; in 10 more years he'll be ridiculous.

I am tired of having to argue Ben's case every time a quarterback discussion pops up. Everything points to him being a superior player—stats, wins, intangibles, Super Bowls, everything. He could retire now and make a claim he belongs in the Hall of Fame—it would be ludicrous, but it would be arguable to some.

Big Ben has transformed from a kid who was dragged along by the Bus and Blitzburgh of the 2000s to a fantastic player—the best player on a very great team—and one of the best players in the NFL.

I won't be able to convince all of you, hell not even most of you. But I don't need to. I can see the truth myself. Give it time if you need to, but please don't argue and be forced to eat your words years from now.

Ben Roethlisberger is one of the best quarterbacks of his generation and a worthy heir to Favre, Manning, and Brady. When they retire, he will assume the mantle of the league's preeminent player.

And then lose that mantle when Favre un-retires. And then regain it when the bearded one finally hangs it up.

Etcetera for who knows how long.

:rofl:

Angus Burgher
12-21-2009, 12:26 PM
Great read. I agree completely.

Yeah, that Favre comment had me laughing too.

T.Richardson
12-21-2009, 12:32 PM
Great read. I agree completely.

Yeah, that Favre comment had me laughing too.

yea, and the one reference with Chuck Norris.

sharkweek
12-21-2009, 02:08 PM
no it wasn't. he has had a perfect passing game before, but this was impressive.

he has had 3 perfect passer games to be more precise

Superbowl XLIII and his 5TDs in one half against the Ravens trump this game for sure.

Angus Burgher
12-21-2009, 03:37 PM
Yeah, those two were my two favorite performance by Ben. Then probably this one. That gave versus the Ravens was beyond awesome. I laughed my ass off at Baltimore in that game. You remember when Ben threw a TD pass - I think it was to Holmes - and the Ratbird defender was still looking up in the air with his arms out as Holmes caught it? That was such a funny thing to see on MNF. It showed how inept the Rats were that season.

Gnutella
12-21-2009, 03:41 PM
I wonder if Ben's shoulder injury last season took some of the mustard off his deep ball?

BigBen'sSwagger
12-21-2009, 06:50 PM
Yeah, those two were my two favorite performance by Ben. Then probably this one. That gave versus the Ravens was beyond awesome. I laughed my ass off at Baltimore in that game. You remember when Ben threw a TD pass - I think it was to Holmes - and the Ratbird defender was still looking up in the air with his arms out as Holmes caught it? That was such a funny thing to see on MNF. It showed how inept the Rats were that season.

Yeah I remember that but my favorite was Ben shrugging off the defender who had him dead to rights and then threw a TD.

Off the subject but I also loved the hit Harrison put on Ed Reed in that game when he was returning the ball and Harrison absolutely De Cleated him ball popping up in the air to add insult to injury. Same game Hines lays out Reed for the count and motions the sidelines while the play was still going on. Hines stated in a pre game preview that he got manicures and pedicures So now I ask you how can a guy who gets pedicures and manicures be the dirtiest player in football???. :tt03:

Preacher
12-21-2009, 07:06 PM
I wonder if Ben's shoulder injury last season took some of the mustard off his deep ball?

Nope.

That has always been his weakest point. I have NEVER seen him overthrow a receiver on a deep ball. SO MANY times I have seen our receivers have to slow up to get the ball on those deep patterns.

Maybe, its because of the arch he puts on it. Maybe not.

But that just isnt his strongest suit.

All in all. . . I'll take him just like he is.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
12-21-2009, 08:26 PM
I dont know about his deep ball. but there isnt another QB in the leage that could play as well as he does for the Steelers.
P.S. you know who has a nice deep ball... and i think the nicest throw in the league... Flacco.... watch him throw and how nice his spirals are... Very impressive.. (oh and I hope we rip his arm off this week),... but i give credit where credit is due...

zulater
12-21-2009, 08:42 PM
I dont know about his deep ball. but there isnt another QB in the leage that could play as well as he does for the Steelers.
P.S. you know who has a nice deep ball... and i think the nicest throw in the league... Flacco.... watch him throw and how nice his spirals are... Very impressive.. (oh and I hope we rip his arm off this week),... but i give credit where credit is due...

Kyle Boller and Jamarus Russell throw a nice deep ball too. :chuckle:

Psyychoward86
12-21-2009, 09:23 PM
Didn't he throw a 60-yard pass to Wallace on the first play of the game? That not deep enough for you?

lol it's true, if Ben has a weak point, it's his deep ball. It's usually pretty mediocre at best. Not that i blame him, Wallace is a speedy bastard

Preacher
12-21-2009, 09:26 PM
lol it's true, if Ben has a weak point, it's his deep ball. It's usually pretty mediocre at best. Not that i blame him, Wallace is a speedy bastard


Yep..

AND, if our QB is GOING to have a weak point, I would rather THAT be it than anything else.

LVSteelersfan
12-21-2009, 09:52 PM
I just don't think Ben steps into his long throws like he needs to because the Oline is constantly being pushed back into his face. Brady almost always steps into his throws and can wing it far even though Ben probably has a stronger arm than Marsha does. Ben needs to stay off the golf course in the summer and work with his receivers to get his timing down. I think if he let go of the ball sooner to Wallace that it would catch him in stride every time. He waits until he sees Wallace out in front before he throws the ball. He needs to throw it to where Wallace will be, not where he is.

Steeldude
12-22-2009, 12:25 AM
Didn't he throw a 60-yard pass to Wallace on the first play of the game? That not deep enough for you?

i prefer to use the term "dead duck" over pass :wink02:

Steeldude
12-22-2009, 12:27 AM
I just don't think Ben steps into his long throws like he needs to because the Oline is constantly being pushed back into his face

it's just bad mechanics. he consistently throws off his back foot.

Mags87
12-22-2009, 12:41 AM
i know it doesn't make up for the rest of them but, Ben was out of the pocket when he threw the ball to Wallace. i think it was a bootleg to the right. and at the end, he had someone in his face so he wasnt really able to step up.

markymarc
12-22-2009, 12:53 PM
Well when you rank 5th all time in NFL history for most passing yards in a game then yes I would say that was the best game of Ben's young career. And of course he now has 21 comeback victories to his credit. We are witnessing greatness with Ben as our QB. He is a winner and an absolute amazing QB.