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mesaSteeler
12-28-2009, 04:50 PM
Madden Monday: Harrison's merely mediocre
http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1501/2009/december/28/madden-monday-harrisons-merely-mediocre.html
By: Mark Madden
Beaver County Times

Monday December 28, 2009 12:09 AM

Will the real James Harrison please stand up? Then again, be careful what you wish for.

Last year, James Harrison was NFL Defensive Player of the Year. This year, thrust into the role of primary playmaker on the Steelers’ defense because of injuries to Troy Polamalu and Aaron Smith, he’s been average. Some games, Harrison has been nearly invisible. Witness just one forced fumble since Week 5, zero sacks his last five games.

Before bursting into prominence with 8½ sacks in 2007, Harrison got cut four times, three times by the Steelers. He was thought to be a bit small and slow, not quite up to NFL standards beyond special teams.

Now, after guaranteeing $20 million to Harrison via a contract inked this past offseason, the Steelers have to be worried.

Harrison apologists claim he gets held without penalty on virtually every play, a grotesque exaggeration. Watch the tape.

True, Harrison is held often. True, it isn’t often flagged.

But that happens to LaMarr Woodley, too. It happens to every player who specializes in rushing the passer. The great ones still make plays. Mean Joe Greene sure did, and Greene — a defensive tackle — operated in close quarters where he got held a lot more than Harrison.

Despite his edgy disposition and all that bravado, Harrison has spent much of the current season looking for flags, not kicking tail. That’s what Cleveland Browns left tackle Joe Thomas thinks, anyway.

“It seems like he didn’t do it last year,” Thomas told a Cleveland newspaper. “Now he’s kind of perfected it. When you push him by the quarterback, if he doesn’t think he can get to the quarterback anymore, he thinks the best thing for him to do is kind of flop as dramatically as possible and hope it baits the ref into throwing the flag.
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“Basically, as you push him by, he’ll just throw his arms up in the air and his feet and try to make it look like you threw him down. It’s kind of like taking a charge in the NBA … it shows up on tape over and over again.”

Harrison might be best advised to commit an occasional penalty himself, picking a situation where the Steelers aren’t at risk to dish out some pain, give away 15 yards, pay a fine and get some more room in the future. Greene’s preferred method was a punch to the gut, sometimes lower.

A lot of Steelers have seen their performances fade this season. Management needs to take a close look at all those players.

Management also needs to take a close look at the coaching staff and the methods applied (or not) that allow a defending Super Bowl champion to have a five-game losing streak marked by abject lack of focus. The Steelers’ locker-room leadership, meanwhile, needs to look in the mirror.

Don’t take the last two wins too seriously. They were mostly about luck, opposition incompetence and Ben Roethlisberger’s excellence.

As for Harrison, next season will be pivotal.

The best qualities of players who have previously been written off usually include determination and resiliency. Harrison will need to harness both those attributes next season or critics will start to say, rightly, that he’s flashing back into his pan.

Mark Madden hosts a radio show 3-6 p.m. weekdays on WXDX-FM (105.9).

stillers4me
12-28-2009, 04:56 PM
Man, I hope this pisses him off. :chuckle:

tony hipchest
12-28-2009, 04:58 PM
lol. what a retard. madden wants us to believe that he actually watches "the tape" and game film? :sofunny:

joe greene was held more in the 70's huh? joe thomas calls harrison a flopper?

reach much? seems madden is taking a page of "fact" from the board guru.

SteeleReign
12-28-2009, 05:14 PM
This a total garbage...just because he's not racking up sacks, although he is still one of the league leaders, doesn't mean he isn't wreaking havoc on opposing offenses. Is this dude just trying to cause a stir so that he can get his readership numbers up?! I can assure you, no one that has any clue is concerned about James Harrison...just you freakin' stupid journalists...

fansince'76
12-28-2009, 05:21 PM
joe greene was held more in the 70's huh?

Actually, he probably was, but Joe Greene could also clobber opponents who did hold him upside the head legally for most of his career. And what is considered "blocking" today was holding then as well.

supa_fly_steeler
12-28-2009, 05:22 PM
the guy that write this...

retard.

GoSlash27
12-28-2009, 05:25 PM
Dear Madden,
Harrison got Defensive Player of the week twice this year and was instrumental in beating Baltimore yesterday.Please shut your cawk-holster.
Affectionately yours,
-Slashy :coffee:

steeltheone
12-28-2009, 05:32 PM
Whats true is we signed him to big money and he is on our over 30 crew. Granted he has far less mileage, but this is the time performance starts to slide.

MarsRover
12-28-2009, 05:33 PM
Dear Madden,
Harrison got Defensive Player of the week twice this year and was instrumental in beating Baltimore yesterday.Please shut your cawk-holster.
Affectionately yours,
-Slashy :coffee:

LOL.

A+++ POST, WOULD READ AGAIN.

steelerchad
12-28-2009, 05:43 PM
Whats true is we signed him to big money and he is on our over 30 crew. Granted he has far less mileage, but this is the time performance starts to slide.

I tend to agree with you here. I thought giving James the big long term deal was kind of a reward for being underpaid the last few years. The Steelers generally don't do this, and I kind of think that's why they've been so successful. They let Faneca walk, and they've let countless 30 something year old linebacker go including Porter most recently. I'm not surprised they wanted to lock him up and get him signed, I'm just surprised at the length and depth of the contract.

It seems to me a guy tends to lose his edge when he gets the big deal. Not saying Harrison hasn't been good this year, just not dominant like the previous 2. Maybe it's no Polamalu, maybe it's no Smith, maybe it's having another ring on his finger, but there's just a little something missing this year.

In no way am I agreeing with Madden. This jerk is exaggerating for effect. There is no way he is average. Just maybe a little fire not lit this year.

slippy
12-28-2009, 05:53 PM
harrison's play is down a bit this year, but his stats this year equal joey porter's best year as a steeler.

SteelCityMom
12-28-2009, 05:54 PM
Mark Madden is a whiny little tool.

That is all.

tony hipchest
12-28-2009, 05:57 PM
Actually, he probably was, but Joe Greene could also clobber opponents who did hold him upside the head legally for most of his career. And what is considered "blocking" today was holding then as well.most certainly, but then again, greene is perhaps the most dominant interior defensive lineman of any era. comparing him to an olb squashes alot of journalistic integrity. (no more than calling james "mediocre" though).

next thing we know madden will be saying swann faced more non-called illegal contact penalties, therefore wallaces rookie season can be seen as nothing more than a bust.

steelwalls
12-28-2009, 06:03 PM
This guy Madden reminds me of Tim Lumber, with the ability to spell check.

Steelerfreak58
12-28-2009, 06:04 PM
Someone actually pays this guy to write for them? LOL wow...

Harrison is consistently held on a regular basis and the refs are not calling it this year. I have watched every game and even the announcers have mentioned him getting held on several occasions.

You know its got to be pretty damn bad when Chris Collinsworth calls it out that Harrison is being blatantly held and no refs call it.

HometownGal
12-28-2009, 08:00 PM
Hey Lard Ass . . .

http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/images_root/slideshows/493/slideshow_49394/display_image.jpg


Have breakfast on me. Now go sit under the Smithfield Street bridge, stuff your fat face and STFU. :upyours:

http://www.nationpizza.com/media/home/pizzas/premadepic.jpg

MasterOfPuppets
12-28-2009, 08:04 PM
THERE'S A LOT OF TEAMS THAT WISH THEY HAD A PLAYER THAT PRODUCED 10 SACKS....:coffee:

X-Terminator
12-28-2009, 08:08 PM
This guy Madden reminds me of Tim Lumber, with the ability to spell check.

That's a very apt description. Fat Boy just likes to hear himself talk and stir shit up for ratings/readers, especially if it has anything to do with the Steelers.

I hope he chokes on that 7th Angus Third Pounder he just had for his late-evening snack.

devilsdancefloor
12-28-2009, 08:14 PM
i have never heard this guy, before BUT what a tool! He cant watch the games id say harrison and woodley have been the 2 players who have showed up every sunday this year. Is this guy a "shock" jock type of guy in the burgh? spounds like he just wants to get my blood pressure up.

memphissteelergirl
12-28-2009, 08:26 PM
What an a-hole. :coffee:

mikegrimey
12-28-2009, 08:30 PM
I actually think Harrison's been playing good ball all year long.

NEvermind the sack count (which is pretty high), the sack can be a misleading statistic with defensive players in that it doesn't fully reveal the quality of their play.

I remember Woodley didn't have any sacks through the first 5 or 6 games too, but he was still playing good.

As far as the flopping goes---maybe it is true. I don't know much about Joe Thomas. If it is and the coaching staff notices it it'd be nice if they advised against it. It probably causes more harm than anything else in that refs who see Harrison intentionally flopping will be far less likely to throw a flag when he's actually held.

tony hipchest
12-28-2009, 08:39 PM
as far as james flopping, i have noticed a time or 2 where he was being ridden so hard to the ground, it was easier for him to simply fall down, as opposed to him planting his legs, continuing to fight, and shred a few knee ligaments vs a 325 lb man in a play that, by that point, was already over.

Steeldude
12-28-2009, 08:56 PM
But that happens to LaMarr Woodley, too

not nearly as much and not nearly the severity

Steeldude
12-28-2009, 09:02 PM
“It seems like he didn’t do it last year,” Thomas told a Cleveland newspaper. “Now he’s kind of perfected it. When you push him by the quarterback, if he doesn’t think he can get to the quarterback anymore, he thinks the best thing for him to do is kind of flop as dramatically as possible and hope it baits the ref into throwing the flag.
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Reporter: he question is; are/were you holding him joe thomas?

Joe Thomas: yes. i have perfected the hold.

steelerchad
12-28-2009, 09:03 PM
not nearly as much and not nearly the severity

Don't forget James is usually going against the left tackles in the league, which are usually the biggest, strongest, lineman on the team.

tony hipchest
12-28-2009, 09:06 PM
Reporter: he question is; are/were you holding him joe thomas?

Joe Thomas: yes. i have perfected the hold.
:laughing: no shit, huh?

madden is still stuck in the mentality that joe thomas is the best LT in the league. then again, madden still doesnt know the difference of rushing a QB's front side, vs. blindside.

SteelerEmpire
12-28-2009, 09:25 PM
Always takes some guy that does'ent know much about the Steelers to act like he has some kind of keen insight...

steel striker
12-28-2009, 09:46 PM
Madden is a turd and, he is always talking trash about the steelers.

tyler289
12-28-2009, 10:40 PM
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Steelerroy
12-28-2009, 10:58 PM
I wish Madden was the one that fell out of the back of the truck!! He's the biggest hater of them all!!

Mags87
12-29-2009, 12:36 AM
i did see one thing in this article that i agree with, Ben has been nothing but excellent these past two weeks.

pghfrank1948
12-29-2009, 07:58 AM
Mark Madden hates the Steelers. Never has a good word for anyone. Im glad that Jagoff is not on a big radio station anymore. I get sick of these so called experts throw their opinions around and expect the fans to buy their BS.

steelax04
12-29-2009, 08:00 AM
So you have to be locked up with one of the Maddens for a day... who do you take, John or Mark?

And with John, I'm talking about the real person, not the video game.

markymarc
12-29-2009, 11:10 AM
I have a very hard time believing anything Mark Madden says or writes when it comes to the Steelers and their players. He is 1 of the biggest haters out there. Just more nonsense coming from Mark Madden!

Hayeksheroes
12-29-2009, 12:46 PM
Mark Madden is a joke. What if Harrison was not held, he'd have 2 to 3 times a many sacks and guess what your argument in your dumb article falls apart. Why is this guy writing? Why does he have a radio show. He is a moron.

revefsreleets
12-29-2009, 12:59 PM
This is EXACTLY why he writes these types of articles: To get a rise out of people. He's happy you're all obliging him...

zulater
12-29-2009, 01:02 PM
The whole Harrison gets held every play is overstated by Steelers fans. I'm not saying he doesn't draw uncalled holds, but all good pass rushers do. Last year he wasn't held any less and his production was significantly higher, so that's not a valid excuse. I can't tell you the reason but Harrison's play has definatelly fallen off since the start of November. My guess is that he's probably got a variety of nagging injuries that are slowing him down.I suppose age could be a factor. And I also suppose it's not impossible that a certain level of contentment has toned down his emotional edge? That said I expect Harrison will hear the rumors and speculation and use it as motivation tool and be back to his dominating self next season.

KeiselPower99
12-29-2009, 01:56 PM
He is nothing more then a shock reporter. He is a giant douche. Harrison is held on every play and has a injured arm and still makes plays when he can.

T.Richardson
12-29-2009, 04:45 PM
He has a point, there is holding on every play.. its just a judgment call on the refs. But Harrison is still a pretty good OLB...

HometownGal
12-29-2009, 07:11 PM
Mark Madden hates the Steelers. Never has a good word for anyone. Im glad that Jagoff is not on a big radio station anymore. I get sick of these so called experts throw their opinions around and expect the fans to buy their BS.

He's a loud-mothed tub-o-lard with a huge chip on his shoulders and 12 dozen of Krispy Kremes in that oversized gut of his. :pig: He's never been to a beach because he doesn't want a 'poon in his ass.

About 5 years back, I had the pleasure of telling him to Go F himself and it was done on the air. I called to ask what I felt was a reasonable question and he started with his usual put downs of female callers so I said what I had to say and hung up on him. XT and several other members 'round here remember it well. :toofunny:

GoSlash27
12-29-2009, 08:15 PM
You go, HTG!
Mister "mediocre" will be starting the pro-bowl about the same time he's starting his emergency backup tub of haagen-dazs
/ that toolbox knows less about football than Joe Flacco's eyebrow trimmer...

markymarc
12-30-2009, 11:42 AM
About 5 years back, I had the pleasure of telling him to Go F himself and it was done on the air. I called to ask what I felt was a reasonable question and he started with his usual put downs of female callers so I said what I had to say and hung up on him. XT and several other members 'round here remember it well. :toofunny:

Good work HG!

revefsreleets
12-30-2009, 11:55 AM
The same garbage started circulating about Peezy a few years back...as the LB's develop and mature for the Steelers, they add dimensions to their game and are, naturally, asked to take on more assignments, which ultimately makes the defense more effective at disguising packages and such. Porter started dropping back into coverage more, his sack line dropped a little bit (because he WAS a little one-dimensional in that regard), and the less-than-astute assumed he was finished. The guy actually gets BETTER and more multi-faceted in his game and is accused of becoming a worse football player. Astonishing...

zulater
12-30-2009, 12:36 PM
The same garbage started circulating about Peezy a few years back...as the LB's develop and mature for the Steelers, they add dimensions to their game and are, naturally, asked to take on more assignments, which ultimately makes the defense more effective at disguising packages and such. Porter started dropping back into coverage more, his sack line dropped a little bit (because he WAS a little one-dimensional in that regard), and the less-than-astute assumed he was finished. The guy actually gets BETTER and more multi-faceted in his game and is accused of becoming a worse football player. Astonishing...

There's been slippage in his play this year. Madden isn't making that up. He hasn't had a sack in his last 6 games. In case you didn't notice the Ravens ran right at him all game. And yes I know about the biceps injury, but long before that was reported teams have been running at him with success. That just didn't happen last year.

Now obviously it's debatable why.I think he's probably been nagged with injuries for some time now., though I don't really know? None of us do.

That said, I think Harrison is elite and he'll bounce back and be great again next year.

But at this point that's speculation

Vincent
01-01-2010, 12:51 PM
Vincent Friday: Madden's merely a tool.

Film at 11.

markymarc
01-02-2010, 11:17 AM
Mark Madden does his job very well.....in getting the Steelers fans worked up :thumbsup:

lamberts-lost-tooth
01-02-2010, 11:32 AM
Harrison is a much better Linebacker than Madden has ever been a journalist.