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supa_fly_steeler
01-03-2010, 07:23 PM
... he needs to take a big paycut so that we can resign woodley, holmes (extend) and bring back other big names like hampton and clark...

why did he want so much money that he knows will take a massive part of the salary, i know the rooneys offered him, but in the back of his mind did he not think about offseason free agents..., i like the dude but that's selfish, follow peyton mannning, as he always takes paycuts...

:tt04:

Bluedust
01-03-2010, 07:25 PM
... he needs to take a big paycut so that we can resign woodley, holmes (extend) and bring back other big names like hampton and clark...

why did he want so much money that he knows will take a massive part of the salary, i know the rooneys offered him, but in the back of his mind did he not think about offseason free agents..., i like the dude but that's selfish, follow peyton mannning, as he always takes paycuts...

:tt04:

$99.2M deal includes $34.5M signing bonus

The NFL's best player is also its richest player.

Colts quarterback Peyton Manning has agreed to a landmark $99.2 million, seven-year contract that will pay him a league-record $14.17 million annually.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1748909

stillers4me
01-03-2010, 07:25 PM
... he needs to take a big paycut so that we can resign woodley, holmes (extend) and bring back other big names like hampton and clark...

why did he want so much money that he knows will take a massive part of the salary, i know the rooneys offered him, but in the back of his mind did he not think about offseason free agents..., i like the dude but that's selfish, follow peyton mannning, as he always takes paycuts...

:tt04:

How do you know he won't?

X-Terminator
01-03-2010, 07:29 PM
... he needs to take a big paycut so that we can resign woodley, holmes (extend) and bring back other big names like hampton and clark...

why did he want so much money that he knows will take a massive part of the salary, i know the rooneys offered him, but in the back of his mind did he not think about offseason free agents..., i like the dude but that's selfish, follow peyton mannning, as he always takes paycuts...

:tt04:

Yeah, Manning sure took a pay cut when he signed that contract with (at the time) the largest signing bonus ever given to one player. Never mind that it hurt the Colts' ability to sign quality players on D. :coffee:

It ain't being selfish if a team offers you $100 million and you take it. In fact, I'd have to question your sanity for NOT taking it. And I'm sure if he is asked to restructure his contract, he will do it.

JEFF4i
01-03-2010, 07:30 PM
wtf?

'Nuff said.

supa_fly_steeler
01-03-2010, 07:30 PM
$99.2M deal includes $34.5M signing bonus

The NFL's best player is also its richest player.

Colts quarterback Peyton Manning has agreed to a landmark $99.2 million, seven-year contract that will pay him a league-record $14.17 million annually.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1748909

DATE 2004..... HE TAKES PAYCUTS FFS, do you think i just write garbage for the fun of it.

How do you know he won't?

Maybe he will this year? but i doubt it because who wouldnt want the money lol... even ike takes paycuts.

Bluedust
01-03-2010, 07:34 PM
DATE 2004..... HE TAKES PAYCUTS FFS, do you think i just write garbage for the fun of it.



Maybe he will this year? but i doubt it because who wouldnt want the money lol... even ike takes paycuts.

And Ben just got his deal last year, jumping the gun maybe sparky?

fansince'76
01-03-2010, 07:36 PM
"Restructure" does not equal "pay cut."

JEFF4i
01-03-2010, 07:38 PM
Ben's regular season QB rating is higher than Peyton's. Food for thought.

Bluedust
01-03-2010, 07:38 PM
"Restructure" does not equal "pay cut."

But Steelers didn't make the playoffs so we have to blame SOMETHING (besides the defense) :`(

X-Terminator
01-03-2010, 07:38 PM
DATE 2004..... HE TAKES PAYCUTS FFS, do you think i just write garbage for the fun of it.



Maybe he will this year? but i doubt it because who wouldnt want the money lol... even ike takes paycuts.

Like I said, I'm sure if he is asked to restructure, he will do it. And it's not really a "pay cut" - he gets paid the same amount of money regardless. They'd be trying to save cap space on a restructure. I don't know why you think the man is selfish when it comes to that, when A) the team offered him the money, and B) this is only the 2nd year of the deal. Do you really think the Rooneys would give him that contract if they thought it would end up hurting them down the road? If you do, then you really don't know the Rooneys. They ALWAYS have a plan behind everything they do.

Bluedust
01-03-2010, 07:39 PM
Ben's regular season QB rating is higher than Peyton's. Food for thought.

But Arians.

stillers4me
01-03-2010, 07:39 PM
But Arians.

But no playoffs.

X-Terminator
01-03-2010, 07:41 PM
But no playoffs.

And of course, that's all his fault...

stillers4me
01-03-2010, 07:43 PM
And of course, that's all his fault...

I never said it was. Ben can have the best stats in the entire league in every category and it wouldn't matter.

jjpro11
01-03-2010, 08:07 PM
for the record.. i'd take every penny Ben got.. so would every member of this board. so don't kid yourselves.. this is incredibly stupid.

Bluedust
01-03-2010, 08:09 PM
for the record.. i'd take every penny Ben got.. so would every member of this board. so don't kid yourselves.. this is incredibly stupid.

Hell yeah, it's not like Ben isn't trying, it's his team now, and if you can't see that you're crazy. He wills this team to win.

Sorry guys we aren't a run first, big defense team anymore, either learn to live with it or just rabblerabblerabble over and over.

But hey Chris Johnson (One of the best IMO) just became one of 6 players to ever rush for over 2,000 in one season, and they aren't going to the playoffs, but hey keep living in the past.

JEFF4i
01-03-2010, 08:19 PM
Well, I wouldn't say we're not big defense. They showed traces of it still, but some injuries and CB flaws really hurt it. Still, it's certainly salvageable.

Psyychoward86
01-03-2010, 08:23 PM
i dont know why you think Ben is selfish when he hasnt really done anything to imply that. This thread is a joke.

Bluedust
01-03-2010, 08:36 PM
i dont know why you think Ben is selfish when he hasnt really done anything to imply that. This thread is a joke.

Because the Defense can't be at fault for anything, just like jesus, so we must place the blame on something else, hence.. BOOOO OFFENSE.

supa_fly_steeler
01-03-2010, 08:42 PM
i dont know why you think Ben is selfish when he hasnt really done anything to imply that. This thread is a joke.

why dont u read it again, i never said he was selfish, but he could be selfish and see all the great defensive players leave... or go in years to come.

if i was ben, i would of never taken the 100 million deal, i would of thought about team first.

Psyychoward86
01-03-2010, 08:45 PM
why dont u read it again, i never said he was selfish, but he could be selfish and see all the great defensive players leave... or go in years to come.

if i was ben, i would of never taken the 100 million deal, i would of thought about team first.

"I like the dude, but that's selfish."


Uh, yeah u did. And who's to say he wont restructure his deal for his team?

MACH1
01-03-2010, 08:46 PM
why dont u read it again, i never said he was selfish, but he could be selfish and see all the great defensive players leave... or go in years to come.

if i was ben, i would of never taken the 100 million deal, i would of thought about team first.

:bs:

If somebody waved a cool 100 mil under your nose, you'd take it and you know it.

lukas
01-03-2010, 08:49 PM
If the defensive unit is such a family based around Coach Dad, why don't they take paycuts as well so they keep their franchise quarterback well-compensated?

It works both ways.

Preacher
01-03-2010, 08:51 PM
Well, I wouldn't say we're not big defense. They showed traces of it still, but some injuries and CB flaws really hurt it. Still, it's certainly salvageable.

We have a GREAT core to build on. we have 2 young LB's and Harrison who still has very little mileage left on him. I think Fox can step up and be, at the very least, a very good placeholder at the LB position.

It seems the coaches are happy with Ziggy's progress as well. Troy'll be back. I am happy they kept him out so that he could heal. He and Ryan play very well off of each other. We do, however, need a better ball-hawking safety to train up, and a CB or two that can catch.

Most of the pieces are still in place for a very dominant D. A few changes on the line, a better CB (or even just another year or two's worth of experience for Gay), a replacement for Farrior over the next year or two (maybe Fox fits here, but then we are again without a backup), and we are off and running.

fansince'76
01-03-2010, 08:53 PM
How about trying SWEEEEEEEEEED! at CB? :chuckle:

JEFF4i
01-03-2010, 08:57 PM
How about trying SWEEEEEEEEEED! at CB? :chuckle:

More dropped interceptions?

supa_fly_steeler
01-03-2010, 08:59 PM
:bs:

If somebody waved a cool 100 mil under your nose, you'd take it and you know it.

i wouldnt take it if they offered me 30 million or something instead, im not someone that wants money, i would just want super bowls and victories.

Preacher
01-03-2010, 09:00 PM
:bs:

If somebody waved a cool 100 mil under your nose, you'd take it and you know it.

Not necessarily. For me it would depend on the rest of the team, and ALSO how other QB's are compensated.

But that is the rub,

While last year, Ben was the highest paid player in the NFL after all bonuses were included (Makes sense, as the winner of the SB AND the way he led his team),

This year, he is paid less that Carson Palmer, Donovon McNabb, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Matt Cassel. And of course, let us not forget that GREAT JaMarcus Russel :chuckle:

Player Team Base Salary Sign Bonus Other Bonus Total Salary Cap Value
Manning, Peyton Colts $ 14,000,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 14,005,720 $ 21,205,718
McNabb, Donovan Eagles $ 9,200,000 $ 0 $ 3,307,280 $ 12,507,280 $ 16,773,950
Cassel, Matt Chiefs $ 5,000,000 $ 0 $ 10,005,200 $ 15,005,200 $ 15,205,200
Brady, Tom Patriots $ 5,000,000 $ 0 $ 3,007,280 $ 8,007,280 $ 14,627,280
Palmer, Carson Bengals $ 9,500,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 9,500,000 $ 14,300,000
Russell, JaMarcus Raiders $ 7,805,880 $ 3,442,800 $ 6,760 $ 11,255,440 $ 13,618,215
Roethlisberger, Ben Steelers $ 4,750,000 $ 0 $ 3,001,560 $ 7,751,560 $ 13,221,560
Manning, Eli Giants $ 7,500,000 $ 13,000,000 $ 0 $ 20,500,000 $ 13,066,668
Favre, Brett Vikings $ 12,000,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 12,000,000 $ 12,000,000


So no, I don't think he is paid too much at all.

X-Terminator
01-03-2010, 09:00 PM
why dont u read it again, i never said he was selfish, but he could be selfish and see all the great defensive players leave... or go in years to come.

if i was ben, i would of never taken the 100 million deal, i would of thought about team first.

Bullshit. You'd take the money and run, and you are lying through your teeth if you say otherwise.

Did Ben's contract hurt the Steelers' ability to re-sign Harrison, Keisel, Kemo, Starks and Heath? Nope. It isn't going to hurt their ability to re-sign Woodley or Holmes either, salary cap or no salary cap.

What part of "the team offered Ben that contract" don't you understand? Like i said before, and that you obviously didn't read, the Steelers have a plan behind everything they do. If they thought for a second that Ben's contract would significantly hurt them in the future, they would NOT have offered it. I'm sure it's a relatively cap-friendly deal, which is the primary concern when any contract is offered. But if they DO need cap relief, I'm sure they will go to Ben if necessary, and I'm sure he will agree to restructure his contract.

JEFF4i
01-03-2010, 09:03 PM
Thanks Preacher. Maybe we should trade Ben to the Raiders for the prospect of signing Russel for less.

Makes perfect sense.

X-Terminator
01-03-2010, 09:05 PM
Not necessarily. For me it would depend on the rest of the team, and ALSO how other QB's are compensated.

But that is the rub,

While last year, Ben was the highest paid player in the NFL after all bonuses were included (Makes sense, as the winner of the SB AND the way he led his team),

This year, he is paid less that Carson Palmer, Donovon McNabb, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, and Matt Cassel. And of course, let us not forget that GREAT JaMarcus Russel :chuckle:
Player (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=144&order=PlayerName+desc) Team (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=144&order=Nickname) Base Salary (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=144&order=BaseSalary+desc) Sign Bonus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=144&order=SignBonus+desc) Other Bonus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=144&order=OtherBonuses+desc) Total Salary (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=144&order=Salary+desc) Cap Value (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playersbyposition.aspx?pos=144&order=CapValue+desc) Manning, Peyton (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1448) Colts $ 14,000,000 $ 0 $ 5,720 $ 14,005,720 $ 21,205,718 McNabb, Donovan (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=1553) Eagles $ 9,200,000 $ 0 $ 3,307,280 $ 12,507,280 $ 16,773,950 Cassel, Matt (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3690) Chiefs $ 5,000,000 $ 0 $ 10,005,200 $ 15,005,200 $ 15,205,200 Brady, Tom (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=225) Patriots $ 5,000,000 $ 0 $ 3,007,280 $ 8,007,280 $ 14,627,280 Palmer, Carson (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3003) Bengals $ 9,500,000 $ 0 $ 0 $ 9,500,000 $ 14,300,000 Russell, JaMarcus (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=4608) Raiders $ 7,805,880 $ 3,442,800 $ 6,760 $ 11,255,440 $ 13,618,215 Roethlisberger, Ben (http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?player=3519) Steelers $ 4,750,000 $ 0 $ 3,001,560 $ 7,751,560 $ 13,221,560

So no, I don't think he is paid too much at all.

Holy crap - Manning's contract has a $21 million cap value???? WOW! And this guy is crying about $13 million?

Preacher
01-03-2010, 09:09 PM
Holy crap - Manning's contract has a $21 million cap value???? WOW! And this guy is crying about $13 million?

Heck, I'd be crying more about JaMarcus's cap value at 13 :rofl:

fansince'76
01-03-2010, 09:10 PM
Holy crap - Manning's contract has a $21 million cap value???? WOW! And this guy is crying about $13 million?

But Manning's is an "unselfish" $21 mil. :coffee:

MACH1
01-03-2010, 09:13 PM
How about trying SWEEEEEEEEEED! at CB? :chuckle:

Wouldn't be any worse than Ike. At least he might catch a few INT's. :sofunny:

JEFF4i
01-03-2010, 09:15 PM
Wouldn't be any worse than Ike. At least he might catch a few INT's. :sofunny:

You sure about that?

supa_fly_steeler
01-03-2010, 09:16 PM
Bullshit. You'd take the money and run, and you are lying through your teeth if you say otherwise.

Did Ben's contract hurt the Steelers' ability to re-sign Harrison, Keisel, Kemo, Starks and Heath? Nope. It isn't going to hurt their ability to re-sign Woodley or Holmes either, salary cap or no salary cap.

What part of "the team offered Ben that contract" don't you understand? Like i said before, and that you obviously didn't read, the Steelers have a plan behind everything they do. If they thought for a second that Ben's contract would significantly hurt them in the future, they would NOT have offered it. I'm sure it's a relatively cap-friendly deal, which is the primary concern when any contract is offered. But if they DO need cap relief, I'm sure they will go to Ben if necessary, and I'm sure he will agree to restructure his contract.

i never said the rooneys made the wrong mistake i would trust them if they paid sweed 50 million, i do think ben should restructure his contract so we can resign hampton.

SteelCityMom
01-03-2010, 09:27 PM
i never said the rooneys made the wrong mistake i would trust them if they paid sweed 50 million, i do think ben should restructure his contract so we can resign hampton.

How much more restructuring can they do? Did you not read the breakdown and see the JAMARCUS FREAKING RUSSELL has a higher cap hit than Ben does? If Hampton wants to stay badly enough, and if the FO wants him to stay badly enough, then they'll figure something out...if not, then they don't. End of story.

MACH1
01-03-2010, 09:48 PM
You sure about that?

Nope.

Shea
01-03-2010, 09:56 PM
No matter what Ben does, there is always going to be someone that wants to criticize him. Even the most innocent of circumstances and Ben draws fire.

Rumor could get out that he doesn't floss on odd numeral days within a month, and someone would be pissed, hell some might even be livid.

Ben is never going to completely win over the Steelers' fanbase.

fansince'76
01-03-2010, 09:58 PM
No matter what Ben does, there is always going to be someone that wants to criticize him. Even the most innocent of circumstances and Ben draws fire.

Rumor could get out that he doesn't floss on odd numeral days within a month, and someone would be pissed, hell some might even be livid.

Ben is never going to completely win over the Steelers' fanbase.

Bradshaw was treated the same way, and it's largely why he had a running feud with the Nation for a good two decades after he retired. Doesn't matter what he does, or how much he wins, there are always going to be a bunch of ingrates that never appreciate it.

X-Terminator
01-03-2010, 09:59 PM
How much more restructuring can they do? Did you not read the breakdown and see the JAMARCUS FREAKING RUSSELL has a higher cap hit than Ben does? If Hampton wants to stay badly enough, and if the FO wants him to stay badly enough, then they'll figure something out...if not, then they don't. End of story.

Russell is also due a $10 million roster bonus on March 1. Somehow, I don't think even Evil Al is crazy enough to do that!

Anyway, Ben's contract can be restructured if need be - they could convert part of his salary to a signing bonus, thus reducing the overall cap hit. Even if he doesn't agree to do it, so what? It's not like his contract is an albatross and they aren't getting good bang for their buck.

But you're right - if they really feel Hampton is worth it to re-sign and Big Snack wants to stay, they will work something out. But honestly...is it worth it to re-sign a 32 year old NT to a big contract when he'll have maybe 2 decent years left? I don't think it is, and it wouldn't surprise me if the Rooneys are thinking the same way.

iloveben7
01-03-2010, 10:19 PM
Ben isn't selfish. It's not like he asked for an extension and said if you don't give me 102 million dollars I'm leaving the team. the Rooneys offered it to him and he accepted and you know full well Ben is worth it.


No matter what Ben does, there is always going to be someone that wants to criticize him. Even the most innocent of circumstances and Ben draws fire.

Rumor could get out that he doesn't floss on odd numeral days within a month, and someone would be pissed, hell some might even be livid.

Ben is never going to completely win over the Steelers' fanbase.

ain't that the truth and it's unfortunate

supa_fly_steeler
01-03-2010, 10:39 PM
I am not ingrateful for Ben, there is only one other quarterback i would love to see as a quarterback for my team other than big ben is mike vick (since he pretty much got me into the sport)...

i dont call wasting 100 worth of money on a roethlisberger jersy as ingrateful, i cried when he was in the bike accident i thought he was gone...i love the dude i was just asking if he should take a discount or w/e u call them... but instead people flame me for having my own opinion since i would like to see hampton, clark, holmes and woodleys contracts extended or resigned.

MACH1
01-03-2010, 10:45 PM
I am not ingrateful for Ben, there is only one other quarterback i would love to see as a quarterback for my team other than big ben is mike vick (since he pretty much got me into the sport)...
.

I just threw up........:puke:

X-Terminator
01-03-2010, 10:47 PM
I just threw up........:puke:

I think your sig says it all there...

chucoblack&gold
01-03-2010, 10:50 PM
how 'bout if the clown in your sig takes one for the team and finds the nearest exit:wave:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1065/supaq.jpg

cubanstogie
01-03-2010, 10:50 PM
I am not ingrateful for Ben, there is only one other quarterback i would love to see as a quarterback for my team other than big ben is mike vick (since he pretty much got me into the sport)...

i dont call wasting 100 worth of money on a roethlisberger jersy as ingrateful, i cried when he was in the bike accident i thought he was gone...i love the dude i was just asking if he should take a discount or w/e u call them... but instead people flame me for having my own opinion since i would like to see hampton, clark, holmes and woodleys contracts extended or resigned.

did you really say you want Vick to be the QB of the Steelers. I can't read the rest, Mach is throwing up, I am incontinent.

X-Terminator
01-03-2010, 10:52 PM
I am not ingrateful for Ben, there is only one other quarterback i would love to see as a quarterback for my team other than big ben is mike vick (since he pretty much got me into the sport)...

i dont call wasting 100 worth of money on a roethlisberger jersy as ingrateful, i cried when he was in the bike accident i thought he was gone...i love the dude i was just asking if he should take a discount or w/e u call them... but instead people flame me for having my own opinion since i would like to see hampton, clark, holmes and woodleys contracts extended or resigned.

Hampton probably will not be re-signed. He is not worth a big contract at his age and with the mileage on his body. Do I want to see him back? Absolutely, but if some other team wants to overpay for him, they're welcome to it. Clark...I'd say it's an 80 percent chance he is re-signed. Holmes is a near-lock with Hines close to riding off into the sunset, and Woodley is a stone-cold, lead-pipe lock.

supa_fly_steeler
01-03-2010, 10:52 PM
did you really say you want Vick to be the QB of the Steelers. I can't read the rest, Mach is throwing up, I am incontinent.

no doesn't mean nesesscarily mean the Steelers, if i was a Rams fan or a Falcons or 49ers fan... i would want Vick, he could turn a 10 yard loss into a 80 yard gain.

but again taken out of context, i have always wanted ben as my steeler starter, but steeler homo jizz on everyones chin can't accept that some people like Michael Vick, he was also awesome on the madden games

fansince'76
01-03-2010, 10:55 PM
.... some people like Michael Vick, he was also awesome on the madden games

Yeah, that's certainly critical. :toofunny:

MACH1
01-03-2010, 10:57 PM
he was also awesome on the madden games


So was Tim Couch. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

SteelersMomma
01-03-2010, 10:58 PM
Yeah, that's certainly critical. :toofunny:

I was thinking the same thing.

:rofl:

supa_fly_steeler
01-03-2010, 10:59 PM
So was Tim Couch. :rofl::rofl::rofl:

jamarcus russell was very good in franchise because his throw power was 99 trade for ted gin jr and air it out get his accuracy up to 90 in season 2 :rofl:

eafratitpm3
01-04-2010, 10:35 AM
Yeah, Manning sure took a pay cut when he signed that contract with (at the time) the largest signing bonus ever given to one player. Never mind that it hurt the Colts' ability to sign quality players on D. :coffee:

It ain't being selfish if a team offers you $100 million and you take it. In fact, I'd have to question your sanity for NOT taking it. And I'm sure if he is asked to restructure his contract, he will do it.

I would agree with you but Manning is head and shoulders above Ben as a QB. I know Ben has two SB's already and Manning only one but if you look back the Defense won Ben's first SB for him. The Colts are there (Playoffs) every year. They (Manning) know how to put lesser talented teams away and not let them hang around.

Don't get me wrong, Ben is the best QB Pittsburgh has ever had and most likely will ever have but there is something wrong with a team that has this much talent on offense (excluding the OL) and can't put less talented teams away early.

Steeldude
01-04-2010, 10:39 AM
2010/11 = no salary cap

X-Terminator
01-04-2010, 10:58 AM
I would agree with you but Manning is head and shoulders above Ben as a QB. I know Ben has two SB's already and Manning only one but if you look back the Defense won Ben's first SB for him. The Colts are there (Playoffs) every year. They (Manning) know how to put lesser talented teams away and not let them hang around.

Don't get me wrong, Ben is the best QB Pittsburgh has ever had and most likely will ever have but there is something wrong with a team that has this much talent on offense (excluding the OL) and can't put less talented teams away early.

Yeah, but that's not really the point. The OP thought Ben was selfish because he took a $100 million deal rather than take a cut so that they can re-sign other players. It's ludicrous to think that Ben was being selfish when it was the team who offered him the deal, and that if he's asked to restructure his deal to save cap space, I'm sure he would. Has nothing to do with their worth or who is better.

fansince'76
01-04-2010, 12:26 PM
I would agree with you but Manning is head and shoulders above Ben as a QB. I know Ben has two SB's already and Manning only one but if you look back the Defense won Ben's first SB for him. The Colts are there (Playoffs) every year.

And how many one-and-done postseason appearances have they had? What's Manning's postseason record again?

TackleMeBen
01-04-2010, 12:28 PM
... he needs to take a big paycut so that we can resign woodley, holmes (extend) and bring back other big names like hampton and clark...
he will be taking a big paycut, after that gold digging tramp is done with him.:rofl:

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-04-2010, 12:32 PM
WOW..........I just looked at this thread and saw that the critical points are:

-Why did Ben want so much money???
-Ben needs to take a pay cut to sign other players (in a probably uncapped year)
-Mike Vick is good in Madden
-Tim Couch was good in Madden games too.

I nominate this thread for the Billy Madison award!!!!!

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

http://quotations.about.com/od/moviequotes/a/billymadison.htm

Indo
01-04-2010, 12:49 PM
WOW..........I just looked at this thread and saw that the critical points are:

-Why did Ben want so much money???
-Ben needs to take a pay cut to sign other players (in a probably uncapped year)
-Mike Vick is good in Madden
-Tim Couch was good in Madden games too.

I nominate this thread for the Billy Madison award!!!!!

Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

http://quotations.about.com/od/moviequotes/a/billymadison.htm


I second the nomination.

X-Terminator
01-04-2010, 12:52 PM
I second the nomination.

Thirded. Don't know why I even tried to explain.

*flush*

iloveben7
01-04-2010, 02:24 PM
I would agree with you but Manning is head and shoulders above Ben as a QB. I know Ben has two SB's already and Manning only one but if you look back the Defense won Ben's first SB for him. The Colts are there (Playoffs) every year. They (Manning) know how to put lesser talented teams away and not let them hang around.

who got us to the Superbowl in 05? who ran for a TD and made some crucial 3rd down throws in the Superbowl? who has made it to the AFC Championship 3 times in their 6 year career and won 2 of them? :doh:

Don't get me wrong, Ben is the best QB Pittsburgh has ever had and most likely will ever have but there is something wrong with a team that has this much talent on offense (excluding the OL) and can't put less talented teams away early.

how is that Ben's fault??

chucoblack&gold
01-04-2010, 10:55 PM
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/john_stewart_facepalm.gif

:doh:

lionslicer
01-04-2010, 11:09 PM
He really does need to take a pay cut. We never should have offered him to be the highest paid player in the NFL.

Woodley seems like someone who would take a pay cut himself when he resigns his contract. Didn't Terrel Suggs take a pay cut to help keep Ray Lewis on the Ravens last year?

MACH1
01-04-2010, 11:13 PM
He should play for free, for the love of the game.

:doh::doh::doh:

Rick5895
01-05-2010, 06:25 AM
Thirded. Don't know why I even tried to explain.

*flush*

And I fourth that....
I was watching old AWA re runs yesterday and who did I see,, SUPA FLY Jimmy Snuka!!
:jammin:

Bluedust
01-05-2010, 06:59 AM
I am not ingrateful for Ben, there is only one other quarterback i would love to see as a quarterback for my team other than big ben is mike vick

Oookay back to the main page I go.

R2sojr
01-05-2010, 07:20 AM
If they are gonna touch anyones contract it should be Troys. Not that hes a bad player but he definatley has the injury bug. Please feel free to blast..lol

R2sojr
01-05-2010, 07:21 AM
Oookay back to the main page I go.


Now we know this guy isnt for real:banging:

X-Terminator
01-05-2010, 07:29 AM
He really does need to take a pay cut. We never should have offered him to be the highest paid player in the NFL.

Woodley seems like someone who would take a pay cut himself when he resigns his contract. Didn't Terrel Suggs take a pay cut to help keep Ray Lewis on the Ravens last year?

Did you bother reading the thread before you posted this? Because Ben is FAR from the highest paid player in the NFL. He wasn't even the highest-paid player when he signed his deal. Peyton Manning's contract is worth a mind-boggling $21.2 million cap hit. Ben? $13.2 million, which is less than Pro Bowl-caliber stud QBs such as Jamarcus Russell and Matt Cassel.

And I can pretty much guarantee you that Woodley will get somewhere near market value at his position. In recent years, the Rooneys have not been cheap - they have dished out some big bucks, and it'll be no different with Woodley. There's no salary cap next season and in 2011, but even if there was, again, if the team went to Ben and asked him to restructure, I'm sure he would.

HometownGal
01-05-2010, 07:35 AM
WOW. Mortimer's getting a lot work over these past couple of weeks . . .

http://i2.ebayimg.com/01/s/06/43/4d/d7_2.JPG