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Hammer67
01-09-2010, 06:33 PM
So, I run over to the local Kroger to get a few items that we need at the house...coffee creamer, some milk, etc. I go up to the line to check out with my basket and in front of me are these two obese girls with pants that are about two sizes too small. They have a pile of brand name junk food. Doritos, Pepsi, Breyers ice cream, brand name sugary cereal, a cake, chips, etc. They also have a couple cartons of smokes. So, the one girl whips out the "Bridge" card which is Michigan's "food stamp" debit card. They pay for the food with that, then pull out a $100 bill to buy the cigarettes. I am f**king steaming at this point.

Why the hell are you using a welfare food debit card to buy brand name junk food and not the "Benjamin" you whipped out for the smokes? WTH??!!!!! :banging:

I am subsidizing laziness, obesity and other people's bad habits. When will this welfare bullshit just stop? I NEVER see someone in the store with one of those cards buying necessities and off brand stuff. I would be too embarrassed to do what they did.

Good thing come Monday I will be busting my ass at my job to subsidize their fat asses...

GoSlash27
01-09-2010, 06:40 PM
When will this welfare bullshit just stop?
Never. It increases exponentially until the inevitable collapse.
/ you're paying for their cell phones, too.

cubanstogie
01-09-2010, 06:43 PM
So, I run over to the local Kroger to get a few items that we need at the house...coffee creamer, some milk, etc. I go up to the line to check out with my basket and in front of me are these two obese girls with pants that are about two sizes too small. They have a pile of brand name junk food. Doritos, Pepsi, Breyers ice cream, brand name sugary cereal, a cake, chips, etc. They also have a couple cartons of smokes. So, the one girl whips out the "Bridge" card which is Michigan's "food stamp" debit card. They pay for the food with that, then pull out a $100 bill to buy the cigarettes. I am f**king steaming at this point.

Why the hell are you using a welfare food debit card to buy brand name junk food and not the "Benjamin" you whipped out for the smokes? WTH??!!!!! :banging:

I am subsidizing laziness, obesity and other people's bad habits. When will this welfare bullshit just stop? I NEVER see someone in the store with one of those cards buying necessities and off brand stuff. I would be too embarrassed to do what they did.

Good thing come Monday I will be busting my ass at my job to subsidize their fat asses...

The dems need people like that to get their votes. It will never end, its getting worse. Welcome to Socialism. Its worse here in CA.

SteelCityMom
01-09-2010, 07:28 PM
It makes me very angry.

As someone who actually NEEDED welfare at one time, and was still busting my ass at two jobs, it makes me sick to see people abuse it.

I went for a long time with very little that I don't think I could ever take something like that for granted. It's pathetic.

SteelerEmpire
01-09-2010, 07:39 PM
You guys know that there are tens of thousands of Mexican nationals who have an address in Texas border towns... and just drive up to the US every month and pick up their welfare checks and then drive back to Mexico. AND they have full time jobs in Mexico as well. Its SO EASY to get over on the US Government its heart wrenching... especially when there are people that are really in need...

cubanstogie
01-09-2010, 07:50 PM
You guys know that there are tens of thousands of Mexican nationals who have an address in Texas border towns... and just drive up to the US every month and pick up their welfare checks and then drive back to Mexico. AND they have full time jobs in Mexico as well. Its SO EASY to get over on the US Government its heart wrenching... especially when there are people that are really in need...

they'll be driving over for health care pretty soon as well.

43Hitman
01-09-2010, 07:58 PM
Our current leadership wants to collapse the economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward-Piven_Strategy

Leftoverhard
01-09-2010, 08:39 PM
Blame our education system. It fails people for generations and perpetuates the cycle of ignorance. Junk food is marketed to poor people. What would you do to solve this problem?

Dino 6 Rings
01-09-2010, 10:14 PM
yeah its gross, whats worse is that a lot of the people on foodstamps, and welfare, are actually intentionally scamming the system.

There are all kinds of ways that the people with foodstamps, turn the stamps into cash. Like, having someone buy exactly the same thing you need with cash, then swapping receipts, then returning the items you bought with foodstamps for cash. Walmart gets jacked up hard on that scam, and can't really fight it cause its hard to prove its happening.

Hammer67
01-10-2010, 07:50 AM
Blame our education system. It fails people for generations and perpetuates the cycle of ignorance. Junk food is marketed to poor people. What would you do to solve this problem?

That's a cop out and some poor excuses. How do you explain the fact that people from poor situations can go to college and become wealthy? What about the poor people on govt. assistance using it properly?

I am not about subsidizing laziness and ignorance. Frankly, if you are too stupid to realize what to eat and what to buy, with all the info in this world, that isn't my problem.

What I would do is take that assistance away from people who abuse it. Force them to figure out how to get off their asses and get motivated. There are jobs out there. I would also disallow those food stamp cards from being able to purchase certain foods. Currently they can't buy alcohol, why not junk food?

It's not our education system so much as it is poor parenting. If your parents raise you to believe it's ok to screw over the system, then you will believe it too. Fortunately some people break out of it. A guy I used to know, Tyrone, came from an impoverished family where his mom taught him and his sister how to stay on welfare to "beat the system". He was disgusted and moved out, taking two jobs to stay off of it, eventually bettering his life. His sister is still on welfare, and obese, lazy, unmotivated, etc. Part of the problem is they can get the handouts from the government and aren't provided any motivation to better themselves.

People need to start taking care of themselves, and not expecting the government to. Liberals always talk about being "fair". Yeah, right, let's be fair to everyone except the people who actually work and pay for this system. Let's punish them for being motivated.

Hammer67
01-10-2010, 07:51 AM
yeah its gross, whats worse is that a lot of the people on foodstamps, and welfare, are actually intentionally scamming the system.

There are all kinds of ways that the people with foodstamps, turn the stamps into cash. Like, having someone buy exactly the same thing you need with cash, then swapping receipts, then returning the items you bought with foodstamps for cash. Walmart gets jacked up hard on that scam, and can't really fight it cause its hard to prove its happening.

Exaclty. Like I said, they have the cash for the cigarettes and alcohol, but NEED the food card for the actual food. It's all a scam. It really is just hand outs to the poor to buy votes for liberals.

hindes204
01-10-2010, 09:07 AM
We utilized the welfare system when I was growing up, but I don't remember ever eating anything other than generic food items....and my mother was working and going to school at night (at 40 years old) so she could better our situation. As soon as she finished school and got a better job, we were off of welfare and living a little bit better. I wish the system was set up to force people to better themselves, instead of just giving people money forever.
People have no motivation to work anymore, if they can live off of the government forever than why try. Why is there no limitations on how long you can collect, force people to prove they are either looking for gainful employment or going to school. And if there is limitations, than why are they not enforced.

Dems have been passing themselves off as "the party that takes care of the poor"....but all they really do is keep the poor broke, so they can keep them on these government programs...that way if they boost up the welfare programs and such it makes them look like they care, in reality all they are really doing is buying thier vote

KeiselPower99
01-10-2010, 10:24 AM
So, I run over to the local Kroger to get a few items that we need at the house...coffee creamer, some milk, etc. I go up to the line to check out with my basket and in front of me are these two obese girls with pants that are about two sizes too small. They have a pile of brand name junk food. Doritos, Pepsi, Breyers ice cream, brand name sugary cereal, a cake, chips, etc. They also have a couple cartons of smokes. So, the one girl whips out the "Bridge" card which is Michigan's "food stamp" debit card. They pay for the food with that, then pull out a $100 bill to buy the cigarettes. I am f**king steaming at this point.

Why the hell are you using a welfare food debit card to buy brand name junk food and not the "Benjamin" you whipped out for the smokes? WTH??!!!!! :banging:

I am subsidizing laziness, obesity and other people's bad habits. When will this welfare bullshit just stop? I NEVER see someone in the store with one of those cards buying necessities and off brand stuff. I would be too embarrassed to do what they did.

Good thing come Monday I will be busting my ass at my job to subsidize their fat asses...

Ive been there before. My favorite is stopping at the gas station to fill up and grab a slurpee of something to quench your thirst and there is a a woman with 3 kids grabbing all kinds of pop and candy they can and they break out the "card" to pay for it all. Whats even more fun is when its rejected for not enough funds and they argue with the guy for 10 minutes about it. So after wasting the time of the clerk and the people waiting in line they break out the cash pay for it and then ask for a carton of smokes. I think they way they see it welfare check is for smokes and alcohol and the food stamp card is for other stuff. I have a good freind that his ex wife pays him child support and he wotks and they rquired him to sign up for the card so he could get 70 a month in groceries. He hates using the thing and calls it an embarassment but the state requires him to do so. Its a messed up system.

43Hitman
01-10-2010, 10:24 AM
Dems have been passing themselves off as "the party that takes care of the poor"....but all they really do is keep the poor broke, so they can keep them on these government programs...that way if they boost up the welfare programs and such it makes them look like they care, in reality all they are really doing is buying thier vote

That is very well said and is exactly why they do what they do.

Leftoverhard
01-10-2010, 05:32 PM
The bank bonus season, that annual rite of big money and bigger egos, begins in earnest this week, and it looks as if it will be one of the largest and most controversial blowouts the industry has ever seen.

Bank executives are grappling with a question that exasperates, even infuriates, many recession-weary Americans: Just how big should their paydays be? Despite calls for restraint from Washington and a chafed public, resurgent banks are preparing to pay out bonuses that rival those of the boom years. The haul, in cash and stock, will run into many billions of dollars. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/business/10pay.html?ref=global-home




Talk about junk food and tight pants...

Hammer67
01-11-2010, 06:58 AM
Talk about junk food and tight pants...

Completely off topic, but alright.

I am ok with companies giving their employees bonuses if that's part of the compensation negotiated when they were hired. The only time I have a problem with it is when the organization took bail out money and hasn't paid it back. For instance, if GM was giving out bonuses, I would take issue with and question it. If Ford was, I would have no problem at all.

I was 100% against the bailouts for the same reason as my initial post. I do not want to subsidize failure, laziness, etc.

SCSTILLER
01-11-2010, 07:15 AM
Yep, I have seen this happen before Hammer. Here is something I always said that we should do with the welfare system. If you are on welfare you have to prove that you are actively searching for employment, whether it be a signed card of a manager of a store you turned your application into, or another way. Also, if you are collecting welfare the state puts you to work. See all that trash on the side of the road, get to picking it up. City, State playground in disrepair, grab a hammer and get to repairing. Make them work for the money, that way they may be inclined to say this type of work sucks and there must be something better out there for me. Also, put a cap on how long you can be on welfare, give them a reason to go job hunting. I am all for helping up, not handing out.

Hindes, welcome back brother, and great post.

revefsreleets
01-11-2010, 02:53 PM
The odd thing is there is actually a pretty thorough vetting system INITIALLY for this stuff. But it's very easy to game that system, and there is generational experience on the side of the people who live in and manipulate this system. My very favorite part of all this is how it's considered a RIGHT not a privilege to get something for nothing.

This is culturally ingrained, systemic, generational theft. And there's virtually no way to break the cycle without an overhaul. We could start with UPC's....the UPC system already "knows" the difference between what qualifies and what doesn't. We could start by closing THAT loop up. Foodstamps cover generics, not the real (overpriced) deal. You want Kraft Mac-n-Cheese? Get a job. You're on food stamps so you get generic brand, and if that's not available, you get Valu Time. If it's junk food, you get none or you get a J-O-B and pay for it yourself.

This is supposed to be temporary relief. This is supposed to help sustain people through a tough patch. This is NOT supposed to be a long-term lifestyle enhancing entitlement from the taxpayers.

And I don't want to hear how I'm some evil GOP bastard with no heart....I have a close friend who is on food stamps, and HE agrees with everything I'm saying. College educated guy who has a family who NEEDS and DESERVES this TEMPORARY benefit and appreciates it for what it is....but he hates that he's in this bind and hates the inefficiencies in the system.

Godfather
01-12-2010, 09:32 AM
The odd thing is there is actually a pretty thorough vetting system INITIALLY for this stuff. But it's very easy to game that system, and there is generational experience on the side of the people who live in and manipulate this system. My very favorite part of all this is how it's considered a RIGHT not a privilege to get something for nothing.

This is culturally ingrained, systemic, generational theft. And there's virtually no way to break the cycle without an overhaul. We could start with UPC's....the UPC system already "knows" the difference between what qualifies and what doesn't. We could start by closing THAT loop up. Foodstamps cover generics, not the real (overpriced) deal. You want Kraft Mac-n-Cheese? Get a job. You're on food stamps so you get generic brand, and if that's not available, you get Valu Time. If it's junk food, you get none or you get a J-O-B and pay for it yourself.

This is supposed to be temporary relief. This is supposed to help sustain people through a tough patch. This is NOT supposed to be a long-term lifestyle enhancing entitlement from the taxpayers.

And I don't want to hear how I'm some evil GOP bastard with no heart....I have a close friend who is on food stamps, and HE agrees with everything I'm saying. College educated guy who has a family who NEEDS and DESERVES this TEMPORARY benefit and appreciates it for what it is....but he hates that he's in this bind and hates the inefficiencies in the system.

Even better idea: no food stamps. You get MREs. That way you're getting decent meals (and some of them taste good), but not luxury items. If you want something better, spend your own money.

revefsreleets
01-12-2010, 09:35 AM
Even better idea: no food stamps. You get MREs. That way you're getting decent meals (and some of them taste good), but not luxury items. If you want something better, spend your own money.

How about a step-up program? 18 months of food stamps (the amended program), and after that you're on MRE's.

Dino 6 Rings
01-12-2010, 10:29 AM
LMAO at people on welfare eating MRE's

They'd find Jobs really quick! LOL!

although...I always did like the spagetting and meatballs as long as I doused it with Tobasco sauce

Godfather
01-12-2010, 10:45 AM
LMAO at people on welfare eating MRE's

They'd find Jobs really quick! LOL!

although...I always did like the spagetting and meatballs as long as I doused it with Tobasco sauce

The tortellini one is good. I'd be willing to pay money for it.

Steel_12
01-12-2010, 11:06 AM
The tortellini one is good. I'd be willing to pay money for it.

Chicken w/Salsa has the peanut M & Ms in it...I used to trade for that one all the time lol

Dino 6 Rings
01-12-2010, 11:42 AM
The tortellini one is good. I'd be willing to pay money for it.

maybe if I was in the field at the time and got stuck with a cornbeef and hash one I'd pay for a different MRE.

we used to cook these on the back of our M1A1 tanks. The engines got so hot you could just put the bags back there and they'd cook real nice. And boiling water was easy too on those engines.

The omletes were the worst though...havent had one in over 15 years and can still taste the after taste of those...blech!

SCSTILLER
01-12-2010, 12:27 PM
maybe if I was in the field at the time and got stuck with a cornbeef and hash one I'd pay for a different MRE.

we used to cook these on the back of our M1A1 tanks. The engines got so hot you could just put the bags back there and they'd cook real nice. And boiling water was easy too on those engines.

The omletes were the worst though...havent had one in over 15 years and can still taste the after taste of those...blech!


What's an MRE? In the Air Force we get pissed if the buffet doesn't fresh fruit :wink02:

Godfather
01-12-2010, 12:30 PM
The omletes were the worst though...havent had one in over 15 years and can still taste the after taste of those...blech!

The omelettes are horrible!!

I could never get the heat packs to work correctly. I ended up using the microwave to heat up my MREs.

Steel_12
01-12-2010, 01:43 PM
What's an MRE? In the Air Force we get pissed if the buffet doesn't fresh fruit :wink02:

lol I wish that was true