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mesaSteeler
01-11-2010, 09:00 PM
Scouts Inc. on Steelers' draft
January, 11, 2010
Jan 11
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth
By James Walker

The Pittsburgh Steelers have the No. 18 overall pick in the 2010 draft, which is their highest slot in three years.

On Monday the AFC North blog caught up with Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. to get an early feel for Pittsburgh's needs in the first round.

Matt, the Steelers don't pick in the teens often. Do you think this is their chance to land an impact player who can help right away next season?

Matt Williamson: The Steelers don't miss often in the first round no matter what. They're pretty solid in that regard. They've have some issues in the second round at times. But I think they need to find an impact defensive back. That has to be priority No. 1. I don't know exactly what's going to be there yet at No. 18. We will have to see what juniors will declare.

What do you think about the cornerbacks in particular?

Williamson: If you look at all their corners right now, Ike Taylor, Deshea Townsend, the two guys they just drafted, they're all mid-round guys. None of them came into the league with a huge pedigree or blow-you-away athleticism and natural skills. If they can add a first-rounder it might go a long way.

Do the Steelers have enough confidence in 2009 draft picks Joe Burnett or Keenan Lewis to make strides and fill a big role next season?

Williamson: I can see one of those guys being a solid No. 3. That's sort of been their formula with these mid-round guys. Ike Taylor gave them nothing as a rookie. William Gay was a nickelback and did a nice job. But when he became a starter he struggled. So I think they want to bring in corners in the middle rounds, have them play special teams and earn their way, and then insert them in the lineup in year two or three.

That formula can still hold true with Lewis and Burnett. I liked both players coming out of school, and I haven't seen enough of them to say they're not going to be able to help at this level. I think the jury is still out. But it's obvious, too, that neither has the pedigree or the ability to be a No. 1 corner. The ideal situation is to make Ike Taylor your No. 2 corner and bring in a No. 1-type corner. Then you’re really talking. The rest can play nickel and dime positions.

revefsreleets
01-11-2010, 09:04 PM
Disagree....if you bring in a Haden, he's still #2. Ike had to patch up Gay's shoddy work.

But it'll cost us to move up.

mesaSteeler
01-11-2010, 09:18 PM
Disagree....if you bring in a Haden, he's still #2. Ike had to patch up Gay's shoddy work.

But it'll cost us to move up.

Well weather the cost is worth it or not will depend how much time Tomlin and the FO think we need to rebuild team. Is this team one player away from championship play or will it take more than one?

NJarhead
01-11-2010, 09:39 PM
Disagree....if you bring in a Haden, he's still #2. Ike had to patch up Gay's shoddy work.

But it'll cost us to move up.

I have no opinion on Haden, but it's the safety's job to pick up the CB's slack. Ike has his own issues but Gay's lack of performance kept the spot light off him. Ike has his moments of brilliance, but he's inconsistent and I love the idea of him being our #2.

MasterOfPuppets
01-11-2010, 09:57 PM
18 th pick - 900....50 th - 400
10th pick - 1300

it would take the 1st and 2nd rd picks to move up to # 10

Galax Steeler
01-12-2010, 05:11 AM
18 th pick - 900....50 th - 400
10th pick - 1300

it would take the 1st and 2nd rd picks to move up to # 10

I just don't see that a happening.:doh:

MasterOfPuppets
01-12-2010, 05:41 AM
I just don't see that a happening.:doh:

neither do i... and with the number of holes that needs filled, it would be stupid to use multiple picks on one player....:popcorn: plus haden could end up going inside the top 10 ...the browns certainly could use a corner.....donovan warren is a much more realistic cb option.

revefsreleets
01-12-2010, 09:21 AM
1st and 2nd is exactly what I was thinking...Haden is a monster, a true cover corner, and could start immediately and be a HUGE upgrade over Gay.

Ike was forced to play WAY too much zone this year, and HE had to depend on safety (and Gay's) help, and it's no secret that Carter was a pretty big liability back there. We get a healthy Troy back, sign Clark (one way or the other, he's going to be one of the most important signings to this team next year), drop in an NFL-ready CB across from Ike so he can get back on HIS game, and our secondary goes from being a horrific problem area that literally loses us games to be being one of the strongest area's of the team.

Arguably, we lost 4 games this year due to poor secondary play, perhaps more. That's worth a 2nd round pick in my book.

supa_fly_steeler
01-12-2010, 09:30 AM
1st and 2nd is exactly what I was thinking...Haden is a monster, a true cover corner, and could start immediately and be a HUGE upgrade over Gay.

Ike was forced to play WAY too much zone this year, and HE had to depend on safety (and Gay's) help, and it's no secret that Carter was a pretty big liability back there. We get a healthy Troy back, sign Clark (one way or the other, he's going to be one of the most important signings to this team next year), drop in an NFL-ready CB across from Ike so he can get back on HIS game, and our secondary goes from being a horrific problem area that literally loses us games to be being one of the strongest area's of the team.

Arguably, we lost 4 games this year due to poor secondary play, perhaps more. That's worth a 2nd round pick in my book.

I would rather not draft Haden, we can get Earl Thomas and get someone has good as Haden possibly even better with Janoris Jenkins next year and he wont be a top 10 pick.

oh cut the crap on Ike heavily overrated he's only viewed as good becuase he's fortunate enough to have Polamalu behind him.

Ike overrated overrated he had more than a pro bowl season this year i assure u of that. Gay wasn't there in 2006, yet he was benched in favor on Colclough please tell me why, your ike taylor excuses are just bullshit.

revefsreleets
01-12-2010, 10:48 AM
I would rather not draft Haden, we can get Earl Thomas and get someone has good as Haden possibly even better with Janoris Jenkins next year and he wont be a top 10 pick.

oh cut the crap on Ike heavily overrated he's only viewed as good becuase he's fortunate enough to have Polamalu behind him.

Ike overrated overrated he had more than a pro bowl season this year i assure u of that. Gay wasn't there in 2006, yet he was benched in favor on Colclough please tell me why, your ike taylor excuses are just bullshit.

Jesus Christ, the board IQ has dropped precipitously over the last 9 months.

I need a break. Carry on...

groundhogday
01-12-2010, 07:46 PM
We're going to two O-Lineman with our first pick anyway. I'm thinking Iupati (Awesome Guard) in the first and then Odowd (Center USC). Throw in Rashawn Jackson (FB Virginia) in the fourth.

Our RedZone and 3rd Down Conversion issues will be a distant memory.

Sharkissle29
01-12-2010, 07:50 PM
To be honest, i would give our secondary one more year to prove what they got. You never know what we can get out of Burnett or Lewis next year. Could be pleasantly surprised.

taztroy43
01-13-2010, 01:43 PM
To be honest, i would give our secondary one more year to prove what they got. You never know what we can get out of Burnett or Lewis next year. Could be pleasantly surprised.

You got a point there man....:thumbsup:

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-13-2010, 02:14 PM
I still think that Gay is signed for relatively cheap and we will see Taylor, Gay, Burnett, Lewis and either a free agent vet or rookie pick as our top 5 CB's. I have confidence in Lewis and Burnett, but not sure that any 2nd year player is gonna start.....but you never know.

Steely McSmash
01-13-2010, 10:07 PM
You got a point there man....:thumbsup:

HE does, the question to me is whether it's time for Deshea to move on. Right now I'd say him, Burnett and Gay are about even, and none are very good. Gay and Burnett might get better but Deshea is just going downhill.

if a true first round talent is available (Patrick Robinson or Donovan Warren maybe?) it would be worth it to leapfrog that pack and add a #2 guy.

The way draft boards are shaping up now it looks like there are about 10 corners with round 2 grades and Haden is the only consensus #1 guy. I'm sure after the combine, this will be whipped into some kind of purported order but unless there's a special guy in the first, seems like second round is where the value is.

Steel Glory
01-16-2010, 02:46 AM
Jesus Christ, the board IQ has dropped precipitously over the last 9 months.

I need a break. Carry on...

Lol, seriously one of the few times I agree with you. His post was utter nonsense. :applaudit:

And, if we did take a corner in the first 2 rounds the highest they would get in the lineup for at least the next 2 seasons would be the number 2 CB, because Ike has proven he can get the job done :tt03:

MasterOfPuppets
01-16-2010, 04:02 AM
I still think that Gay is signed for relatively cheap and we will see Taylor, Gay, Burnett, Lewis and either a free agent vet or rookie pick as our top 5 CB's. I have confidence in Lewis and Burnett, but not sure that any 2nd year player is gonna start.....but you never know. :huh: and how many years has gay been in the league ?

El-Gonzo Jackson
01-16-2010, 12:14 PM
:huh: and how many years has gay been in the league ?

This was William Gay's 3rd season with the Steelers.

Not really sure the 5th round pick impressed that much this year, which is why I dont know how we didnt address CB in previous drafts with more prominence....knowing that Townsend and McFadden might not be here at this point.

MasterOfPuppets
01-16-2010, 03:36 PM
This was William Gay's 3rd season with the Steelers.

Not really sure the 5th round pick impressed that much this year, which is why I dont know how we didnt address CB in previous drafts with more prominence....knowing that Townsend and McFadden might not be here at this point.

so then gay played well in his 2nd year when starting but not so well in his 3rd....:noidea:

tony hipchest
01-16-2010, 04:19 PM
so then gay played well in his 2nd year when starting but not so well in his 3rd....:noidea:gay filled in for mcfadden after he was injured. when he came back gay was allowed to to sub in for mcfadden every third series (like how willie did for mendenhall this season).

MasterOfPuppets
01-16-2010, 04:45 PM
gay filled in for mcfadden after he was injured. when he came back gay was allowed to to sub in for mcfadden every third series (like how willie did for mendenhall this season).
he started 4 games and played great...:noidea:

SteelerNation12
01-18-2010, 12:43 AM
I hate people that say wait till next year. What do you think teams are saying now that waited on the QBs in this draft class? Bradford has a bum arm, Clausen is legit. Sneed sucked this year, Mccoy isn't a QB that fits most offenses.

I think both Lewis and Burnett have potential to be good CBs one day. But you still need 3-4 good CBs in the NFL. I would take Haden in a heart beat in round 1. But its highly unlikely he falls to #18. With that said, this is the best position to be in IMO, trade back. Get more picks and maybe pick up that guard from Idaho with the teams pick we traded back to.

revefsreleets
01-18-2010, 10:49 AM
IF we draft a CB in the first round, that kid has pretty much got to be able to come in and start. I think the last time we picked CB #1 overall was Chad Scott in 1997, and he was starting by the end of his first year, and he had a TON of playing time prior.

You draft kids later and let them season (Lewis and Burnett) or you draft them high with the expectations of immediate playing time or perhaps even starting.

Ether way, Gay regressed this year, and drug Ike down along with him.