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RodWoodsonwasprettycool
01-31-2010, 11:40 PM
http://buckeyebanter.com/2010/01/31/pittsburgh-to-join-big-ten/

Eh, mixed on this.

Pros:

Pitt-Penn State rivalry is FINALLY renewed
Big Ten gets a conference championship game (I'm assuming at Lucas Oil Stadium)
Pitt adds tradition and the academics aren't bad either
Football team is decent and the Basketball team has become a power as of late.
I get to see my Boilermakers and Buckeyes from a decent distance from my house.
PRIMANTI'S FOR ALL!

Cons:

Not a good fit rivalry wise, as Pitt would have only one in the conference EX: TOSU-Pitt=You guys vs. the Brownies from 2004 to December 10, 2009.
No disrespect to Panther fans, but Missouri and ND would have been a better fit
TOSU-Meatchicken rivalry could possibly be tarnished a bit.

Thoughts?

revefsreleets
02-01-2010, 12:06 PM
Pitt>>>Mizzou in my book. But ND is the natural call here. Asked and answered already, I know, but it's worth revisiting. If they pass, then Pitt is it, IMO. I like it, and I don't mind the conference championship game either.

However, if I had my way, I'd dump Indiana and Illinois, add ND and keep it at 10.

Dino 6 Rings
02-01-2010, 12:07 PM
Not a huge fan of the idea, from an "all sports" perspective, the Basketball in the Big East is huge. Football wise the only pro I see is the Rivalry with PSU starting again, but that could happen regardless if PSU would man up and take the game as a 1 on 1. But they won't.

ND Should be forced to join the Big East in Football since they play every other sport in the Big East.

Oh, and Someone Please Take Rutgers!!!!!!!

Nadroj 20
02-01-2010, 01:17 PM
I dont like the idea really but if Pitt were to move to the Big ten i would say in basketball they would dominate in that conference because i think its safe to say everyone will kinda agree Big East Basketball > Big Ten Basketball.....thats just how it is, its more competitive and there teams have always done better in the tournament.

Pitt has always had success in the Big East in the last 10 years so tranferring over to big ten shouldnt be much of a challenge......basketball wise anyway.

SteelersinCA
02-01-2010, 02:42 PM
Giving the big 10 a conference championship in football is reason enough to make adding anyone a good idea.

steelerdude15
02-01-2010, 04:02 PM
I'm pretty torn about the whole thing. I mean, they'd be playing better schools and we would have the Penn State rival back. Then again, we lose the Back yard brawl, and what about basketball? We are one of the best in basketball and football in the Big East and we make it what it is. If we do move, I feel that Pitt plays at a competitive level where we could fit right in.

supa_fly_steeler
02-01-2010, 04:44 PM
i heard they not doing this no more.

steelax04
02-01-2010, 04:59 PM
It doesn't even look like it was in the works to begin with...

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/02/bogus-report-has-pittsburgh-set-to-join-big-ten.html

Looks like it's 12-18 months before they even decide to add another school.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
02-01-2010, 05:43 PM
I dont like the idea really but if Pitt were to move to the Big ten i would say in basketball they would dominate in that conference because i think its safe to say everyone will kinda agree Big East Basketball > Big Ten Basketball.....thats just how it is, its more competitive and there teams have always done better in the tournament.

Pitt has always had success in the Big East in the last 10 years so tranferring over to big ten shouldnt be much of a challenge......basketball wise anyway.

Disagree

Big Ten Basketball has been pretty damn good over the past couple of years. You got Michigan St., Ohio St., Purdue, Illinois Wisconsin all in like this gridlock to challenge for the Big Ten title. All but Purdue have made the NCAA final four within the last decade.

Pitt wouldn't dominate IMO, they'd just be another dog in the fight for the league title.

Dino 6 Rings
02-01-2010, 05:46 PM
Pitt Basketball would Suffer in the Big 10 because right now, being in the Big East they are able to recruit New York City very heavily with games being played annually at MSG and the Tourney being in MSG. That's a huge thing for PITT at this point. If Pitt moved to the 10, they'd lose the balance of power in recruiting the eastern cities and would have to focus more on the Central Cities. That would hurt the basketball program in the long run. Those NY Kids loving "coming home" come tourney time.

Football, I think Pitt football would compete with most of the Big 10 teams. Probably be able to beat Michigan since Dave W has basically built his team to destroy the West Virginia Spread. Would probably struggle with Ohio State and pull off a win ever 3 years or so, most likely at Hienz and not at the Shoe. Pitt already gets ND now annually so that's a big game, and they did add Big 10 teams like Iowa and Mich State to their slate in recent years, as well as a few years ago when they played Nebraska and another Big 12 school in a home and home, think it was Texas A&M.

Now Pitt is focussing its Out of Conference games into the ACC and bringing back the Pitt vs Miami game, and the Pitt vs Va Tech game, which made for some exciting Thursday night games at time.

I'd like to see more games against the SEC for Pitt, would love for them to play Ole Miss or Auburn, maybe take an away game against Florida or LSU too. I'd love to see that happen. But they don't really benefit from "jumping" to the Big 10 that much. They need to keep the focus of their recruiting in PA, and then work the East and Southeastern Coast for recruits. There is no point trying to recruit in Ohio against the Buckeyes or Recruit in MIchigan against them.

PSU Just needs to accept the game with PITT and not one fan would talk about joining the 10. We just want PSU back on the schedule. We play big 10 teams, they play Big East teams, it only makes sense that we play each other, but Joe Pa won't sign off on a Home and Home. That's a fact.

Dino 6 Rings
02-01-2010, 05:51 PM
Disagree

Big Ten Basketball has been pretty damn good over the past couple of years. You got Michigan St., Ohio St., Purdue, Illinois Wisconsin all in like this gridlock to challenge for the Big Ten title. All but Purdue have made the NCAA final four within the last decade.

Pitt wouldn't dominate IMO, they'd just be another dog in the fight for the league title.

Today, Pitt would win that conference 4 out of 5 years. I don't doubt it. They are down this year and are still playing great in the Big East. however jumping to the 10 would hurt their long term recruiting of the kids out of Brooklyn and the rest of NYC. That's key to their recruiting right now, so in about 6 years, when those kids stopped coming to Pitt then I agree, they would just be another dog in the fight.

But as of right now, the only team in the Big 10 in basketball that I really respect is Michigan State because they are consistantly very good. Illinois is up and down, OSU has a good year every 6 years or so, Purdue, yeah ok, one good year, Indiana hasn't done anything worth a dang since Bobby left, Michigan, have they really been a threat lately? Wisky is pretty good, I like them too, Wisky and Mich State and Pitt would dominate that conference until Pitt starting losing its recruits to Cuse.

Nadroj 20
02-01-2010, 06:46 PM
Disagree

Big Ten Basketball has been pretty damn good over the past couple of years. You got Michigan St., Ohio St., Purdue, Illinois Wisconsin all in like this gridlock to challenge for the Big Ten title. All but Purdue have made the NCAA final four within the last decade.

Pitt wouldn't dominate IMO, they'd just be another dog in the fight for the league title.

Big ten is comeptitive but look at the Big East vs. Big Ten as far as last year and so far this year...

THIS YEAR

Teams in the top 10

Big East 4
Big Ten 2

Overall Teams in the Top 25

Big East 5
Big Ten 4

Last year big east got THREE #1 seeds in Pitt, Louisville and UConn and 2 of the final four teams along with 4 of the elite 8 teams were Big East.

The ONLY team that could compete in last years and this years big east is Michigan State....im just saying stats dont lie and those are pretty convincing numbers showing how good Big East basketball is

Im not taking anything away from the Big 10 who have GREATLY improved over the last few years but there are more teams contending for the big east championship every year then in the Big 10

Put Pitt in the Big 10 next year, they are easily in the top 3 no question IMO.

Nadroj 20
02-01-2010, 06:50 PM
Today, Pitt would win that conference 4 out of 5 years. I don't doubt it. They are down this year and are still playing great in the Big East. however jumping to the 10 would hurt their long term recruiting of the kids out of Brooklyn and the rest of NYC. That's key to their recruiting right now, so in about 6 years, when those kids stopped coming to Pitt then I agree, they would just be another dog in the fight.

But as of right now, the only team in the Big 10 in basketball that I really respect is Michigan State because they are consistantly very good. Illinois is up and down, OSU has a good year every 6 years or so, Purdue, yeah ok, one good year, Indiana hasn't done anything worth a dang since Bobby left, Michigan, have they really been a threat lately? Wisky is pretty good, I like them too, Wisky and Mich State and Pitt would dominate that conference until Pitt starting losing its recruits to Cuse.

I dont understand why that would hurt their New York kids recruiting??? Pitt is like the ultimate goal for most New York City kids thats just how its been and i realize you must know that, however changing to the Big 10 isnt changing their LOCATION....they are still in Pittsburgh man....

So your saying because of conferance those players wont want to play on the same team? the only differance would be their schedule and i see that becoming easier going to the big 10.... , recruiting is about the coaches and for some reason they have alway appealed to top NYC athletes, i dont think that changes because of a change of conferance.

Also Pitts top recruit from next year is from Cleveland.

And currently on the team 2 players are from NY ( woodall being from brooklynn and taylor not huge contributers) and one from NJ in Gibbs.....thats it.
So as far as "losing" recruits they are fine so far without them......and i dont think they lose them because of changing conferance in the long run as for possible NYC kids.

revefsreleets
02-02-2010, 11:40 AM
Pitt basketball joining the Big Ten would not hurt them a bit, and would ultimately strengthen the conference overall.

RoethlisBURGHer
02-03-2010, 10:32 AM
I honestly don't think that Pitt would join the Big 10.

Reasons:

Pitt is a dominant football program in the Big East. When Miami and VT left for the ACC, that opened the door up for Pitt and WV to become the two dominant teams in the conference. Coming to the Big 10, they would have to compete with Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Michigan State, and Michigan (when they eventually become a force again, when the dump Rich Rodriguez). They would be no better than third or fourth most seasons. Not to mention the Backyard Brawl against WV would become less important in the grand scheme of things as an OOC game every season, if it gets kept.

They would lose all that basketball recruiting in the NYC area. Those NYC kids love getting to come back and play in MSG. With the NBA rule being that kids only have to play one season of college ball to become draft eligible, those NYC recruits that might have stuck around for two or even three seasons could jump to the NBA sooner because they don't want to play Big 10 basketball. They would lose a lot of those recruits to Syracuse and UConn. They wouldn't lose every one, but most of them would go to Big East schools.

Also, the Big East is known as a basketball conference now. A lot of kids want to play in the Big East or the ACC, the two conferences known as basketball conferences. Pitt gets to play on an annual basis: UConn, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville.

It really doesn't make sense for Pitt to leave the Big East since they are a big player in both major sports in that conference.

revefsreleets
02-03-2010, 12:13 PM
I definitely disagree....if Pitt is asked, they'll lietrally JUMP at the offer. The Big Ten is >>> Big East as far as status, overall $$$, legacy and prestige.

Nadroj 20
02-03-2010, 02:08 PM
I definitely disagree....if Pitt is asked, they'll lietrally JUMP at the offer. The Big Ten is >>> Big East as far as status, overall $$$, legacy and prestige.

All the reports ive heard say Pitt isnt that excited about moving :noidea:

At least Jamie Dixon doesnt think its a good choice to do so..

SteelersinCA
02-03-2010, 07:54 PM
Each school in the Big 10 gets 12mil a year for tv contracts in football. U of Texas gets 3 mil. You think Pitt wouldn't jump at that? Please.

Nadroj 20
02-03-2010, 08:02 PM
Each school in the Big 10 gets 12mil a year for tv contracts in football. U of Texas gets 3 mil. You think Pitt wouldn't jump at that? Please.

Its not all about football, changing could lose them money possibly in other sports....

SteelersinCA
02-03-2010, 08:20 PM
Its not all about football, changing could lose them money possibly in other sports....

There are typically 2 sports that generate money for athletic departments. Men's football and men's basketball. Most every school loses money in other sports. A potential 10 mil influx of cash is nothing to balk at. I mean how much more money could womens field hockey lose in the big 10 vs the big east?

Nadroj 20
02-03-2010, 08:35 PM
There are typically 2 sports that generate money for athletic departments. Men's football and men's basketball. Most every school loses money in other sports. A potential 10 mil influx of cash is nothing to balk at. I mean how much more money could womens field hockey lose in the big 10 vs the big east?

Im basically saying when it comes down to it Pitt is more successful at basketball and Big East basketball is the best conferance in basketball, imo changing would hurt them that way....maybe it wont but it could

I do know that alot of people including Pittsburgh's Head basketball coach in Jamie Dixon does not think it would be a smart move for the program....not my words...there his

This is a good article about it...........

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PITTSBURGH -- Leaving the Big East for the Big Ten would be a big mistake for Pittsburgh, according to men's basketball coach Jamie Dixon.

Dixon calls the Big East "the best conference in college basketball history" and said it wouldn't benefit Pitt or any other conference member to switch leagues.

Big Ten officials plan to spend the next year to 18 months exploring whether to add a 12th member. Pitt has been mentioned as a likely candidate because it offers a large TV market, excellent academics and a prime location. The Panthers could renew their lapsed rivalry with Penn State and form a new one with nearby Ohio State.


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Dixon needs to hear a lot more reasons than those.

"I can't see how any team would improve where they're at by movement," Dixon said Thursday. "Every situation, you have to look at why you're doing it to improve yourselves. And I can't see how moving from the best conference in college basketball history would be a good thing for anybody."

While Pitt football might have more to gain than the basketball team by joining the Big Ten, Dixon doesn't believe the move would significantly benefit coach Dave Wannstedt's program, either.

"We've got [football] bowl tie-ins greater than any other conference, as far as percentages, so what would we have to change for?" Dixon said. "This thing just keeps getting better."

Dixon mentioned no schools by name. However, abandoning longtime Big East rivalries with Syracuse, Georgetown and Connecticut and replacing them with Iowa, Northwestern, Minnesota and Wisconsin -- distant schools with no ties or significant attraction to Pitt -- could erode interest in Panthers basketball.

Pitt built a new, on-campus basketball arena seven years ago largely because of the demand for Big East tickets. About 3,000 are on a waiting list for season tickets at the 12,508-seat Petersen Events Center.

To Dixon, the Big East became the envy of other basketball conferences when Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, DePaul and South Florida joined in 2005. Fifteen of the Big East's 16 basketball-playing schools have made at least one Final Four appearance.

"We don't have to change, because things are heading in the right direction," Dixon said. "Other conferences might have to change to gain momentum, but our momentum has been consistent since the expansion itself. So, it's exciting to hear about it and talk about it, but at the end of the day who's really going to improve their position from our conference? Nobody."

Dixon's comments Thursday were the first by any Pitt coach or administrator since the Big Ten signaled its plans on Tuesday. Pitt chancellor Mark A. Nordenberg has been a strong Big East proponent, leading the expansion drive that kept the conference together after Boston College and Miami left for the Atlantic Coast Conference in 2005.

Notre Dame, a Big East member in most sports except football, turned down the Big Ten in 1999.

Dixon also doesn't believe the NCAA basketball tournament will expand from 65 to 96 teams, a move that would create an extra weekend of play and allow far more mid-major schools to participate.

"I just don't see it changing," Dixon said. "I think it probably needs to be changed, but I don't think it can be."

Pitt has played in the last eight NCAA tournaments, the longest current streak of any Big East team.

"I think our numbers indicate how tough it is to make the NCAA tournament when we have by far the longest streak in the best conference in the country," Dixon said. "It just goes to show how tough it's become, especially in our conference, but I just don't know how they're going to change those things around."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4752834

RoethlisBURGHer
02-03-2010, 10:39 PM
I definitely disagree....if Pitt is asked, they'll lietrally JUMP at the offer. The Big Ten is >>> Big East as far as status, overall $$$, legacy and prestige.

But like I said, moving to the Big 10 would mean that their football program would go from the top tier of the conference to the second tier of the Big 10.

In the Big East, they are a dominant force in football and basketball. That might mean something to Pitt.

Not to mention I see Penn State fighting adding Pitt. Paterno doesn't want to play them, and if they joined the Big 10 then the two schools would be in the same division and playing every season.

SteelerNation12
02-03-2010, 11:04 PM
Pretty sure Iowa State is gonna get the nod.

SteelersinCA
02-03-2010, 11:57 PM
Im basically saying when it comes down to it Pitt is more successful at basketball and Big East basketball is the best conferance in basketball, imo changing would hurt them that way....maybe it wont but it could

I do know that alot of people including Pittsburgh's Head basketball coach in Jamie Dixon does not think it would be a smart move for the program....not my words...there his

This is a good article about it...........



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4752834

Money will make their decision, nothing else. If they will make more money in the Big 10 they will move.

revefsreleets
02-04-2010, 11:27 AM
Money will make their decision, nothing else. If they will make more money in the Big 10 they will move.

And they will make more money.

Nadroj 20
02-04-2010, 06:00 PM
Money will make their decision, nothing else. If they will make more money in the Big 10 they will move.

True but well have to just see :drink:

revefsreleets
02-05-2010, 03:23 PM
If asked, Pitt will make the move. It's a stone cold iron clad 100% sure lock.

It's actually quite an honor. Notre Dame is still the better fit. They have the far higher pedigree, and would be a fine addition. With Michigan, PSU, OSU and Notre dame under one conference banner, they'd have 4 of the most storied football programs in college football history. NO other conference would have a deeper or more glorified legacy.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-18-haugh-notre-dame-dec18,0,6241081.column

For the good of the Notre Dame community, somebody athletic director Jack Swarbrick respects should open his office door and urge him to open his mind regarding possible Big Ten membership.

Swarbrick responded to the conference's announced interest in expansion by telling the Tribune: "Independence is a big part of the tradition of the program and our identity. We sure would like to try to maintain it."

The only thing Domers are prouder of than their distinction as a football independent is their devotion to that status. Almost every discussion of what Notre Dame football is circles back to what Notre Dame football was.

In a way, Swarbrick sounded like the guy everyone knows who doesn't have an e-mail address because he hasn't yet embraced the Internet. The world has changed dramatically since 1999, the last time Notre Dame seriously discussed the pros and cons of Big Ten affiliation.

It's time for another conversation.

Notre Dame cannot risk ignoring this opportunity to explore making a historic move. Likewise, Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany cannot risk the conference getting snubbed again. The Irish need to pick up the phone. Don't make the Big Ten wait because Delany won't.

With due respect to Missouri, Pittsburgh and Rutgers, no potential additional member benefits the Big Ten more than Notre Dame. It would be naive for Swarbrick, on the job just 17 months, to dismiss how mutually beneficial that relationship might be.

The recent coaching search suggested the Notre Dame football program has a realistic view of what it is. And, of more importance, what it isn't. Brian Kelly represented the ideal, compatible choice after it was determined neither Urban Meyer nor Bob Stoops would drop everything just to coach Notre Dame.

The Notre Dame that Swarbrick and other idealists describe is a place where no coach could have resisted the chance to walk the same sideline Rockne and Leahy and Parseghian walked. But it hasn't been that place since Davie and Willingham and Weis walked there too. That's the point.

University leaders need to learn from the lesson of hiring Kelly and let it guide them in deciding whether to pursue Big Ten membership. Out with self-aggrandizement, in with self-awareness.

It won't be easy. One Notre Dame professor contacted Thursday said he polled his class of 75 students about joining the Big Ten. Only three students were for it. Alumni sentiments likely would reflect that opposition. Everyone minors in nostalgia at Notre Dame.

There is no guarantee the faculty would support the move either. But Notre Dame needs to discuss this for reasons that have little to do with academic consortiums or alumni clubs.

Don't kid yourself. This is solely a football argument.

Those under the Golden Dome who cling to the idea that Notre Dame is independent overlook that the university has belonged to the Big East for 15 years. That philosophical bridge has been crossed.

A key thing Notre Dame must consider: Realistically, the Irish could gain easier access to the Bowl Championship Series games as a member of the Big Ten than as an independent.

"The BCS redefined success at Notre Dame," said Gerry DiNardo, a former Notre Dame All-American who is an analyst for the Big Ten Network. "Prior to BCS it was national championship or bust for Notre Dame. Not now."

Now, a middle ground exists that not every Irish fan or alumnus wants to acknowledge. As DiNardo pointed out, an independent Notre Dame team with two losses by midseason -- the rule more than the exception lately -- struggles to find motivation. A Big Ten team with two losses by midseason after expansion would have a shot to win its division and play in the lucrative conference title game.

Other issues that influenced Notre Dame's decision in 1999 no longer appear to be deal-breakers. Its exclusive NBC contract runs through 2015, but nobody can predict what the future holds now that the network has been sold. Besides, Big Ten affiliation would generate even more TV revenue for the university.

Fears of losing traditional rivals USC and Navy from the schedule seem unnecessary as Notre Dame still will have to play at least two nonconference games.

The biggest obstacle remains identity.

When Notre Dame looks in the mirror, it sees the image it desperately wants to see. As its football program enters a new age with the Big Ten offering this rare opportunity, it behooves Notre Dame to take a second look.

At this juncture in history, Notre Dame may need the Big Ten more than the Big Ten needs Notre Dame.