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ZornToLargent
02-02-2006, 05:18 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/news/story?id=2316644

Seahawks move A&M 12th-man fight to federal court

BRYAN, Texas -- The Seattle Seahawks ran an end-around on Texas A&M, filing notice Thursday to remove from an Aggie hometown court their dispute over the "12th Man" slogan used by the university and the Super Bowl-bound NFL team.

In a three-page "Notice of Removal" filed about two hours before a scheduled hearing in a Brazos County court just a few miles from the A&M campus, the Seahawks transferred the case to federal court in Houston, about 100 miles away.

According to the motion, since Texas A&M is alleging a violation of its federally registered trademark by the Seahawks, a federal court has jurisdiction in the case.

"It brings everything here to a screeching halt unless the federal court decides to remand it," said state District Judge J.D. Langley.

Langley said the maneuver was fairly common for a case involving entities from different regions.

A&M spokesman Lane Stephenson said he was unaware of a hearing Thursday in federal court and declined to comment further.

The university owns the trademark to its generations-old "12th Man" reference for Aggie supporters in the stands and won a temporary court order in Bryan earlier this week to keep the Seahawks, who play Pittsburgh on Sunday in the Super Bowl, from using "12th Man" in their marketing.

The Seahawks have recognized their followers as a "12th Man" since the mid-1980s and even retired the No. 12 jersey in 1984. Now with Seattle in the Super Bowl, their "12th Man" promotion, which previously has aggravated the Aggies, has gained an even higher profile.

Texas A&M has been arguing the NFL team is infringing on the school's legal claim to the slogan, which they say they've used for more than 80 years. The school twice has registered trademarks for the "12th Man" label -- in 1990 and 1996 -- that include entertainment services and products like caps, T-shirts, novelty buttons and jewelry.

Seattle's version of a "12th Man" banner, a flag with the No. 12 on it, was flying this week from the team's hotel in suburban Detroit. So was a flag atop Seattle's signature Space Needle and the state Capitol in Olympia. Then there's all the team merchandise and apparel with the "12th Man" logo.

At A&M, the slogan dates to 1922 when a student, E. King Gill, was pulled from the stands to suit up for the injury-depleted Aggies as they faced top-ranked Centre College. Gill didn't play, but he was the last player standing on the sidelines in reserve as the Aggies won 22-14.

A tradition was born. "Home of the 12 Man" is in huge letters at Kyle Field, where Aggie students stand during games as a sign of their readiness and support.

A&M sent letters to the Seahawks in 2004 and 2005, protesting use of the slogan. School officials said the team never responded.

ZornToLargent
02-02-2006, 05:20 PM
One thing ESPN reports that is wrong is that the Seahawks have never printed any official items with the words "12th Man" or even "The 12th Man".

Hawk Believer
02-02-2006, 05:22 PM
Home come this didn't come up in the Alito hearings?

RoethlisBURGHer
02-02-2006, 05:32 PM
It's a f--king number,The Aggies cannot own a f--king number!

Hawk Believer
02-02-2006, 05:42 PM
It's a f--king number,The Aggies cannot own a f--king number!
Especially the Aggies.

Suitanim
02-02-2006, 06:10 PM
I think it's funny as Hell, but, ultimately, being unoriginal truly isn't a crime.

SteelerDan43
02-02-2006, 06:16 PM
One thing ESPN reports that is wrong is that the Seahawks have never printed any official items with the words "12th Man" or even "The 12th Man".

I do believe that ESPN reported that they used "The 12th Man" slogan on a desktop they made available for download. But even that is pretty petty

SteelCityMan786
02-02-2006, 08:25 PM
Hey Bestbank Nice One Man. I think a point paycheck is in order.

Hawk Believer
02-02-2006, 08:26 PM
Aggies can't even count to 12 without removing their shoes.
You are forgetting the ones with the extra fingers...

Suitanim
02-02-2006, 08:30 PM
Supposing they win? What storied franchise/tradition are you Seaquacks targeting next to blatantly rip-off?

ZornToLargent
02-03-2006, 01:59 AM
Supposing they win? What storied franchise/tradition are you Seaquacks targeting next to blatantly rip-off?
We'll probably start calling the people who come to the games and support the team, fans. Can you believe what copy cats we are? Fans, wow, every team before us has called those people fans. How unoriginal.:dang:

MagicHawk
02-03-2006, 11:12 PM
This is ridiculous it is just incredible what people do to get a little press.

MagicHawk
02-03-2006, 11:14 PM
Supposing they win? What storied franchise/tradition are you Seaquacks targeting next to blatantly rip-off?
:sofunny:

83-Steelers-43
05-09-2006, 07:31 AM
Seahawks, A&M resolve '12th man' disputeAssociated Press


COLLEGE STATION, Tex. -- The fight over the "12th Man" is over and both Texas A&M University and the Seattle Seahawks will be able to use the phrase.


The university and the Seahawks said Monday they had reached a deal settling the university's lawsuit over the phrase reserved for fans.


As part of the agreement, the Seahawks acknowledge Texas A&M's ownership rights of the trademarked phrase. However, the NFL team may continue using it under license. Neither side admitted any fault or liability.


"Our fans won't notice any changes in what we do," Seahawks chief executive officer Tod Leiweke said at team headquarters in Kirkland, Wash. "They won't see any changes in the stadium. We are really happy about that."


The only change the Seahawks will make is on any broadcasts that feature the 12th Man. A statement that the 12th Man is a trademark of Texas A&M University will be included on such broadcasts.

Texas A&M officials declined to say how much the licensing fee would be for the Seahawks, noting the final documents have not been filed in court.


Steve Moore, Texas A&M's vice president for communications, said in a story in Tuesday's Bryan-College Station Eagle that the university would do some monitoring to ensure the terms of the settlement are followed.


The Aggies hold trademark rights to the phrase "12th Man." In February, the university filed a lawsuit in Brazos County over the Seahawks' use of the phrase. Days before Seattle faced the Pittsburgh Steelers in the Super Bowl, a restraining order was issued calling on the Seahawks to halt any usage of "12th Man," or "12th Mania."


Origins of the term "12th man" aren't exactly clear, but the traditions in Seattle and College Station date back decades.

The Seahawks retired the number 12 in 1984 to honor fans who made the old Kingdome one of the noisiest stadiums in football.


The Aggies trace their use to 1922, when an injury-plagued roster led the team to pull E. King Gill from the stands and suited him up to play. Gill never took to the field, but the legend strengthened campus-wide commitment to support the team. The words "Home of 12th Man" adorn the stadium and the entire school is considered the 12th Man.


"We absolutely respect their tradition," Leiweke said. "I've learned a lot about it. Our entire organization has learned a lot about it. It's pretty amazing how far back it goes."


The Seahawks are discussing selling a 12th Man burger during this coming season at concession stands inside Qwest Field.


The Seahawks see home fan noise as a real asset; Qwest Field had the most false-start penalties against visiting teams in the NFL last season -- Seattle's best showing in that department.


"The 12th Man symbol is a lot more relevant in our world than it's ever been," Leiweke said. "The fans and the team became one last season.


"We never sold merchandise with the 12th Man on it. It is really a symbol of our fans and the relationship our team has with our fans."

Suitanim
05-09-2006, 07:56 AM
This is SO 2005...

83-Steelers-43
05-09-2006, 07:58 AM
This is SO 2005...

Yeah and it amazes me it took this long to settle. A freaking slogan....:rolleyes:

Suitanim
05-09-2006, 08:15 AM
The hawks had their 15 minutes...

MattsMe
05-10-2006, 12:02 AM
The Seahawks are discussing selling a 12th Man burger during this coming season at concession stands inside Qwest Field.

They'll probably call it a RoethlisBurger.

HburgXL06
05-10-2006, 12:37 AM
I don't get this. I mean the two teams are a thousand miles apart, they have different colors, different mascots, different leagues of play and yet one has to pay the other so that they can say they have a spirtual "12th man" supportin the team on the field. It only seems proper in a day where stadiums are named after coporate sponsors and every ounce of television is milked for advertisin that we would have "The Seattle Seahawks 12th Man: brought to you by Texas A&M University." I'm sure that the use of the term in Seattle started out as a marketin gig to get fans excited about games...but so was the Terrible Towel. It just all seems so petty that organizations have to fight over a number and word when those two are put together (12 + man = lawsuit). Wasn't Texas A&M where they had that horrible bonfire tragedy a few years back that killed a student? You'd think after that they'd be down to only 11 again.

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