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Vincent
02-17-2010, 05:37 PM
Wouldn't it be just spectacular if it came down to proving that bho was born in Hawaii would reveal his "parents" to be someone other than the "couple" we've been told brought this splendid young man into the world? This is one seriously murky individual.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/another_look_at_obamas_origins.html
February 07, 2010
Another Look at Obama's Origins
By Jack Cashill

The murky circumstances of Obama's birth invite attempts to make the known facts fit together. This article was prompted by two e-mails. The first asked me why I had never weighed in on the birth certificate controversy surrounding President Barack Obama .

I responded that although I was troubled by the lack of documentation regarding all phases of Obama's history -- I'd be content with his SAT scores -- I could not understand why any pregnant American woman would go anywhere near Kenya.

The second e-mail was more interesting. It came from a Michigan entrepreneur named Don Wilkie, with whom I had not previously communicated. Knowing my interest in the authorship questions surrounding Obama's writing, he presumed that I was intrigued as he was by a cryptic poem the nineteen-year old Obama wrote called "Pop," the best thing that Obama himself has actually written. He was right.

"Pop" relates an encounter between Obama and a man most reviewers presume to be Obama's maternal grandfather, Stanley Dunham. Dunham would have been in his early sixties at the time. In the poem, Obama has "Pop" wondering drunkenly about the boy, "What to do with me, a green young man."

The Obama of the poem is cynical, even a little bitter. He makes several allusions to the fact that he and the old man look and even smell alike, a fact that strikes Obama as more ironic than reassuring. The poem ends, however, with reconciliation when Pop stands and asks for a hug. Writes Obama:

I see my face, framed within

Pop's black-framed glasses

And know he's laughing too.

Wilkie offers a novel interpretation of "Pop." Says Wilkie, "I think the poem zeros in on that poignant moment when Obama was told that his grandfather was in reality his father."

Wilkie concedes his theory is "off-the-wall," but he also offers photographic evidence to show that Obama much more closely resembles Dunham -- especially by the telltale ears -- than he does Barack Obama, Sr.

http://www.americanthinker.com/standunham.jpg

Intriguing as the theory is, I thought it would be easy to disprove. I was wrong. For starters, in his 1995 memoir Dreams From My Father, Obama refers to his grandfather not as "Pop," but as "Gramps." If he were writing about his grandfather in this poem, the title "Pop" may very well be suggestive of a more direct kinship.

For another, there is little known about the marriage between Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's presumed mother, and Barack Obama, Sr. According to most accounts, Dunham and Barack Sr. were married on the Hawaiian island of Maui -- in some reports on February 2, 1961, and in others, on February 21.

Obama knows little about the wedding. He writes in Dreams, "In fact, how and when the marriage occurred remains a bit murky, a bill of particulars that I've never quite had the courage to explore. There's no record of a real wedding, a cake, a ring, a giving away of the bride."

In his fair-minded biography, Barack and Michelle: Portrait of an American Marriage, Christopher Andersen concedes, "There were certainly no witnesses -- no family members were present; and none of their friends at the university had the slightest inkling they were even engaged."

Another conflicting bit of evidence is that at the time of his alleged marriage to Ann Dunham, Barack Sr. had a pregnant wife and a son back in Kenya. There is more. In July 2008, speaking at a university roundtable, Michelle Obama said of Barack's mother that she was "very young and very single when she had him." This could well have been a slip of the tongue, but it may not have been.

Obama was reportedly born roughly six months after the February wedding date on August 4, 1961. Andersen reports that Barack Sr. drove Ann to Honolulu's Kapiloani Hospital for Women and Children to have the baby.

Andersen's account, however, suffers from chronology problems. He relates that Ann told the Dunhams of her pregnancy in "late October." Even if she had she been impregnated in early October -- it probably would have been earlier -- Obama's official birth date came ten months later.

In any scenario, Obama had at least one black parent, and if it is not Obama Sr., who then is it? Obama offers a possible clue in Dreams:

I was intrigued by old Frank, with his books and whiskey breath and the hint of hard-earned knowledge behind the hooded eyes. The visits to his house always left me feeling vaguely uncomfortable, though, as if I were witnessing some complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men, a transaction I couldn't fully understand. The same thing I felt whenever Gramps took me downtown to one of his favorite bars, in Honolulu's red-light district.

The "Frank" in question is Frank Marshall Davis, a black communist, pornographer, and poet who had abandoned Chicago for Hawaii. In "Pop," it should be noted, the Pop character "recites an old poem" just before the reconciliation and reeks of whiskey. Davis would have been in his mid-seventies at the time. Some have theorized that Davis, in fact, is Obama's father and the "Pop" of the poem. This theory, though tenuous, cannot be ruled out. A grandson can look more like his maternal grandfather than his father. That happens. And then, too, there is Davis's Chicago connection.

The "Frank" passage and the ones that follow, however, tell us something suggestive about Stanley Dunham, namely that he frequented otherwise all-black bars in an area rife with prostitution. That a black woman -- perhaps a friend of Davis's -- gave birth to a child of Dunham's may explain "the complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men." If this were the case, it would have caused far less societal stress for Ann Dunham to assume maternity of her little brother than for Stanley Dunham to assume paternity of his son.

We also know that Stanley Dunham so desperately wanted a boy that he named his only child "Stanley Ann." That he chose to raise the young Barack would not have been out of character.

Is it possible that Barack Sr. obliged the Dunhams and went along with the charade? If so, as Andrew Young attests in The Politician, he would not have been the last good friend to claim false paternity for a larger cause.

As a Kenyan, Barack Sr. would have given the boy more than a name. He would give him a distinctive identity as an "African," a more respected ethnicity in the America of the 1960s than "Negro." Indeed, Obama has built his career around his exotic identity. Were he named after an American father -- say "Darnell Johnson" -- he may never have been elected president.

This hypothetical extended charade would help explain why Barack Sr. blithely blew off his new family when he headed for Harvard a year later, rejecting a reported opportunity to take both wife and child to New York, and began dating as soon as he arrived at Harvard. It would explain too why Ann Dunham felt free to leave young Barack with her parents for years at a time when her career beckoned.

Barack Sr.'s cooperation would also put Stanley Dunham's fondness for him in perspective. In Dreams, Gramps speaks so respectfully of his prodigal son-in-law that the whole opening sequence rings false to anyone who knows the larger story. A man, and a black man at that, has knocked up Dunham's daughter. Ann and Barack Sr. marry despite reported opposition from both families. The man then abandons wife and child, and the grandfather can only sing his praises to the man's son. This makes no sense at all and would have made even less sense in the racially charged 1960s.

Jerome Corsi of WorldNetDaily has found additional evidence that argues against Obama's birth to Ann Dunham in August 1961. As the records clearly show, "Stanley Ann Dunham" enrolled for classes at the University of Washington at Seattle on August 19, 1961, fifteen days after Obama's presumed birth. It defies all logic -- and logistics as well -- that Dunham would have flown her newborn across the Pacific, found an apartment and a job, and enrolled at school all within two weeks of the birth.

Most accounts put young Barack with Dunham in Seattle when she was attending college, but the sourcing on these accounts is suspect. One person cited often is Dunham's good childhood friend, Maxine Box. In February 2008, Box told the Seattle Times that the last time she saw Dunham was "in 1961," when, says Times reporter Nicole Brodeur, "[Dunham] visited Seattle on her way from Honolulu to Massachusetts, where her then-husband was attending Harvard."

"She seemed very happy and very proud," Box tells the Times of Dunham. "She had this beautiful, healthy baby. I can see them right now."

There are any number of problems with this account, beginning with the fact that Barack Sr. did not attend Harvard until the fall of 1962. Box also gives no sense that Dunham lived in Seattle or attended classes there through the winter and spring sessions of 1962, as records show she did. Whether Dunham was actually heading for Harvard, we have no real way of knowing.

A seeming hole in Andersen's account is that he missed the Washington adventure and has Ann remaining in Hawaii through Obama's first few years. He makes no mention of any trip to Harvard by Ann.

One other scenario makes sense out of a falsely assumed paternity by Barack Sr. This begins with the abrupt departure of the Dunham family from the Seattle area in the late summer of 1960. In Dreams, Obama tells how pleased the senior Dunhams were with the success of Ann in high school, but Stanley forbade her to go to the University of Chicago, "deciding that she was still too young to be living on her own."

http://www.americanthinker.com/obama-family-maternal-side.jpg

Soon thereafter, however, the family decamped for Hawaii.

"Something must have still been gnawing at my grandfather's heart," writes Obama. He attributes the move to his wanderlust and the "limitless" prospects offered by a new furniture store in Honolulu. Adds Obama, "He would rush home that same day and talk my grandmother into selling their house and packing up yet again."

What Obama does not mention is that even at this time, his grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, likely earned more than her furniture salesman husband. To move, she had to give up her job as a bank officer in Seattle. Arriving in Honolulu, she worked as a by-the-hour bank teller. This job would, however, have given her the opportunity to tend to the young Barack.

It seems altogether possible that the progressive and adventurous seventeen-year-old Dunham was impregnated by a black man while the family was still living in the Seattle area. If so, this pregnancy could have prompted the family to uproot to Hawaii, where no one knew them and where mixed-race babies were more accepted. According to the Andersen account, whose source was Maxine Box, "There were loud arguments between father and daughter -- fights that sometimes turned violent." Ann did not want to go.

Both the "Dunham as father" and the "anonymous black father" scenarios would make the Obama camp wary of sharing Obama's actual birth certificate , either because Dunham was not Obama's mother, or, if she were, because Obama was born much earlier than August 4, 1961.

If Obama were born, say, in February or March 1961, it would clarify why, as documented, Dunham attended the University of Hawaii at Manoa in the fall semester of 1960, but not in the spring semester of 1961. This timetable would have also allowed Dunham enough time to recover and prepare for a return to college in Seattle in August with or without the baby. Dunham would not return to the University of Hawaii until 1963. She filed for divorce in 1964, and little was heard from Barack Sr. ever again.

Scientists use the phrase "inference to the best explanation" to illuminate an unproven phenomenon. Given the available evidence, including the fact that some evidence has been strategically withheld, one can infer that Obama likely was born in Hawaii but that Ann Dunham did not give birth to Barack Obama, Sr.'s child on August 4, 1961.

So much depends on Obama's fabled "story," however, that the mainstream media have chosen not to investigate. When Christopher Andersen tried, he found himself immersed in a swamp of conflicting and concocted stories that tested the savvy of even a veteran biographer.

And so Obama's birth remains a mystery a year after his inauguration. The mainstream media, meanwhile, have paid more attention to the origins of Trig Palin than to those of the president, and they have spent their excess energy mocking those who do the reporting they once did.

If my humble efforts to clarify matters make me a "birther," then so be it.
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Who in the family pic above do you think most resembles bho?

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/11/12/obama_wideweb__470x418,0.jpg http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/71/59/barack-obama-bw.0.0.0x0.402x477.jpeg

Leftoverhard
02-17-2010, 05:52 PM
I don't think this was covered yet. Thanks for bringing it into the spotlight where it belongs instead of the trash heap where it has been wrongly festering. It is all I think about, all day. If I could ask God one question it would be "Can you please make the world know that the president of the United States is an imposter?"

UltimateBengal
02-17-2010, 05:59 PM
I don't think this was covered yet. Thanks for bringing it into the spotlight where it belongs instead of the trash heap where it has been wrongly festering. It is all I think about, all day. If I could ask God one question it would be "Can you please make the world know that the president of the United States is an imposter?"

Really, this is all you think about? Good Lord, get a hobby, or may'be even a real live friend!:sofunny:

Vincent
02-17-2010, 08:24 PM
I don't think this was covered yet. Thanks for bringing it into the spotlight where it belongs instead of the trash heap where it has been wrongly festering. It is all I think about, all day. If I could ask God one question it would be "Can you please make the world know that the president of the United States is an imposter?"

Actually, I'm quite relieved that there may be some evidence to put this birth thing to rest. Relieved, and amused that we might not know who zoomed who in the "process". The possibilities are fascinating. But why should that matter? He's just the "PotUS". And may I say that his qualifications and experience have certainly manifested themselves in his first year.

http://s647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/vinnyq/O-LOLsmall.jpg

If it weren't so damn pathetic.

HometownGal
02-17-2010, 08:32 PM
If I could ask God one question it would be "Can you please make the world know that the president of the United States is an unqualified, inexperienced, clueless dunderhead?"

There - fixed that for ya. :thumbsup:

tony hipchest
02-17-2010, 08:55 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/merygo.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/dumboride4.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/06-09-15-192.jpg

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! that was fun!

i think its time for another arians sucks thread. :danceshout:

MACH1
02-17-2010, 08:58 PM
http://domania.us/Oaccess/OBAMA/ObamaRedSpin.gif

Vincent
02-17-2010, 09:10 PM
I've suspected hypnosis. Dey it is.

http://s647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/vinnyq/PixieDustav.jpg

GBMelBlount
02-17-2010, 09:20 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/dumboride4.jpg

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! that was fun!



The famous "Tony go round" post.

That must be the reason this particular ride always reminds me of you.... :chuckle:

tony hipchest
02-17-2010, 09:24 PM
didnt mean to hurt your feelings, mel.

GBMelBlount
02-17-2010, 09:32 PM
tony hipchest

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/dumboride4.jpg


WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! Look at me on the tony ride!!!!!!!! :toofunny:

tony hipchest
02-17-2010, 09:37 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/jakeondumbo.jpg

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! Look at me on the tony ride!!!!!!!! :toofunny:

dont be sad, mel.

GBMelBlount
02-17-2010, 09:40 PM
dont be sad, mel.

LOL! Admittedly, THAT was funny. :chuckle:

SteelersinCA
02-18-2010, 01:43 AM
Man I can't stand Obama, but are we really trudging through this crap again?

MACH1
02-18-2010, 01:48 AM
http://www.whiterabbitcult.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/barack_obama_wealth_spread.jpg

tony hipchest
02-18-2010, 02:06 AM
Man I can't stand Obama, but are we really trudging through this crap again?

:party:

zulater
02-18-2010, 07:19 AM
Man I can't stand Obama, but are we really trudging through this crap again?

That's pretty much where i stand too. He won the election, I don't care if he's from Mars, the people spoke and got what they wanted. Of course some may be having second thoughts about now, but that doesn't take away from the legitimacy of his holding the office.

GBMelBlount
02-18-2010, 08:06 AM
Man I can't stand Obama, but are we really trudging through this crap again?

I can understand your point....and I can also understand why liberals are uncomfortable with the truth being pursued....hence the "tony go round" posts....

Let's face it, the biggest argument used by liberals on this board, and in general, to justify voting for democrats is NOT the virtues of their candidate or the platform, it is by characterizing republicans and conservatives as dishonest and unethical.

So for me, the fact that he may not have been legally qualified to be president is not the major issue at this point, it is actually finding out the lengths of deceit, corruptness and immorality that may have been involved in Obama & the democrats covering this up.....

...as again, this is really the primary reasoning liberals use to justify voting for even the most inexperienced, corrupt and unethical democratic candidates such as the one it appears we may have now....

HometownGal
02-18-2010, 08:33 AM
That's pretty much where i stand too. He won the election, I don't care if he's from Mars, the people spoke and got what they wanted. Of course some may be having second thoughts about now, but that doesn't take away from the legitimacy of his holding the office.

I CARE if he's from Mars, but this topic never seems to end around here. If Obaaaaaama wasn't born in this country, I think Madame Rotweiler and JMac would have outed him with indisputable proof during the primary and general elections respectively. :banging: :banging:

Vincent
02-18-2010, 08:50 AM
Tiger is holding a press conference tomorrow morning to apologize and explain. The manly thing to do.

IMHO, the manly thing to do here, and indeed the political thing to do would be for someone in the administration to simply produce the BC and explain the circumstances. Then it'd be all over. It's so simple. Why have they spent millions avoiding that? That's why it won't go away.

If he's "duely elected", so be it. He has yet to prove that he is.

As in all things involving donkeys and elephants, imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.

SteelersinCA
02-18-2010, 10:49 AM
I can understand your point....and I can also understand why liberals are uncomfortable with the truth being pursued....hence the "tony go round" posts....

Let's face it, the biggest argument used by liberals on this board, and in general, to justify voting for democrats is NOT the virtues of their candidate or the platform, it is by characterizing republicans and conservatives as dishonest and unethical.

So for me, the fact that he may not have been legally qualified to be president is not the major issue at this point, it is actually finding out the lengths of deceit, corruptness and immorality that may have been involved in Obama & the democrats covering this up.....

...as again, this is really the primary reasoning liberals use to justify voting for even the most inexperienced, corrupt and unethical democratic candidates such as the one it appears we may have now....

You can't honestly believe there is a plethora of honest politicians on either side, can you? Aren't they both as slimy and corrupt as the next guy regardless of aisle seating?

Tiger is holding a press conference tomorrow morning to apologize and explain. The manly thing to do.

IMHO, the manly thing to do here, and indeed the political thing to do would be for someone in the administration to simply produce the BC and explain the circumstances. Then it'd be all over. It's so simple. Why have they spent millions avoiding that? That's why it won't go away.

If he's "duely elected", so be it. He has yet to prove that he is.

As in all things involving donkeys and elephants, imagine if the shoe was on the other foot.

Didn't the courts rule on this? If you believe in your government, then the system worked and the guy is legitimate. I mean we could take the opposite of your exact argument here and say Bush was illegitimate for different reasons. The fact remains in both, the courts have spoken, have a good day.:drink:

GBMelBlount
02-18-2010, 10:56 AM
You can't honestly believe there is a plethora of honest politicians on either side, can you?

Aren't they both as slimy and corrupt as the next guy regardless of aisle seating?

Exactly.

So let's make a wild and crazy assumption that greed and corruptness is not just a trait of all politicians, or republicans, or capitalism, or successful people, but of ALL people, then you have just removed 90% of the argument people on this board use to justify voting democrat.

THAT was my point. :drink:

Vincent
02-18-2010, 11:24 AM
Didn't the courts rule on this? If you believe in your government, then the system worked and the guy is legitimate. I mean we could take the opposite of your exact argument here and say Bush was illegitimate for different reasons. The fact remains in both, the courts have spoken, have a good day.:drink:

When was the ruling and by whom? I've read that the SC declined the case in 12/08, but I haven't found that there has been a ruling that closes the case.

The most prominent of those that have filed suits is Philip Berg, a liberal dem. Why would he do that?

Why has bho spent more than a million to pay a dozen law firms to battle this all over the countryside? It doesn't make sense.

If the real BC exists, why not have Gibbs trot it out and say "See? Now STFU". It'd be sooooo easy. Why haven't they done that?

That is why there are questions.

:drink:

Vincent
02-18-2010, 11:47 AM
I CARE if he's from Mars, but this topic never seems to end around here. If Obaaaaaama wasn't born in this country, I think Madame Rotweiler and JMac would have outed him with indisputable proof during the primary and general elections respectively. :banging: :banging:

Madame Rotweiler :toofunny::rofl:

JMac was adamant about not going negative on bho. He said he'd can anybody in his campaign that went there. He hasn't hesitated to go negative on JD Hayworth though. Aside from one being a donkey and the other an elephant, what else is different between those two. And what might have happened if indisputable proof emerged during the general election? Civil unrest?

The burden of proof is on bho. They posted an image on the Internet that satisfied the media that it was genuine, and that was that.

As for Madame Rotweiler? IMHO, the donkeys were "influenced" by Chicago. bho was a foregone conclusion. Madame Rotweiler could have destroyed such an unqualified candidate like she did Rick Lazio when she ran for the senate, but she didn't. I think there's a great deal more between those two politically than meets the eye. :chuckle:

Dino 6 Rings
02-18-2010, 12:49 PM
Fun times: When you start a lie, it just gets worse over time...For The Birthers!!!



BORN IN THE USA?

Oops! Obama tells another nativity fib?
Records indicate father not part of Kenyan airlift, as prez said

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Posted: February 16, 2010
11:00 pm Eastern


By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2010 WorldNetDaily



Barack Obama Sr.


Official documents catch Barack Obama in another apparent misrepresentation of his life story, this time challenging a claim made during his campaign that his father was part of a JFK-era airlift to bring Kenyan students to the U.S. to study in American universities.

WND research indicates Barack Obama Sr. was not brought to Hawaii in 1959 by any airlift of Kenyan students organized by baseball great Jackie Robinson, John F. Kennedy or the African-American Students Foundation, the AASF.

Nor was Barack Obama Sr. on any of the three subsequently chartered airplanes in what became known as the "second airlift" organized by Kenyan Luo politician Tom Mboya in 1960 after the Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. Foundation contributed $100,000 to AASF.

Moreover, after a thorough search of the Jackie Robinson papers at the Manuscript Division of the Library of Congress, WND can find no mention of Barack Obama Sr. in the files on deposit, either as an applicant or candidate for an airlift from Kenya to study in the U.S.

The manifest of the 81 students actually flown from Kenya Sept. 9, 1959, in a plane chartered by Jackie Robinson in conjunction with the AASF does not contain Barack Obama Sr.'s name. Robinson was assisted by singer Harry Belafonte and actor Sidney Poitier.

(Story continues below)




In Hawaii before first student airlift

By the time of the Sept. 9, 1959, airlift to New York City, Barack Obama Sr. was already in Honolulu, enrolled in classes as an undergraduate at the University of Hawaii.

WND previously published official affirmation from the University of Hawaii that Barack Obama Sr. was enrolled for the 1959 fall term.

The first article documenting Barack Obama Sr.'s presence in Hawaii was by journalist Shurei Hirozawa in the Honolulu Star Bulletin on Sept. 18, 1959, only nine days after the Jackie Robinson airlift.

The article suggested Barack Obama Sr., then fully settled in Hawaii and enrolled at the university, had used personal savings to pay his travel expenses from Kenya to Hawaii and tuition costs at the university.

"But the money [Barack Obama Sr.] saved will only stretch out for two semesters or less because of the high cost of living in Hawaii, he found out," wrote Hirozawa. "He'll work, he says, and possibly apply for a scholarship."

Obama claims JFK responsible

Barack Obama Jr.'s claim that John F. Kennedy brought his father to the U.S. was made in a March 4, 2007 speech, from the pulpit of the historic Brown Chapel A.M.E. Church in Selma, Ala.

Obama declared he owed his very existence to Selma, according to a transcript of the speech and a video clip posted on YouTube.com.

A few minutes into the speech, Obama began discussing the protests in Selma and Birmingham, Ala., that were instrumental to Martin Luther King building the civil rights movement in the 1960s.

Obama invented dialogue of Kennedy advisers, musing, "It worried the folks in the White House who said, 'You know, we're battling communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world if right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set forth in our Constitution? We might be accused of being hypocrites."

Obama continued: "This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great-great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves. But she had a good idea there was some craziness going on, because they looked at each other, and they decided that we know that (in) the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child."

Kennedy, however, was not in the White House until Jan. 20, 1961, and he did not participate in the organization of the September 1959 airlift.

The historical record is further established by a background memorandum prepared by Sen. John Kennedy's office in August 1960, while JFK was running for president.

The memo documents that JFK met with Mboya – but after the 1959 airlift had already occurred. Mboya met with JFK at Hyannis Port July 26, 1960, while Kennedy was running for president.

Mboya's goal was to convince JFK to fund a second airlift of African students to the U.S.

The memo further documents that the State Department, despite intervention by Vice President Richard Nixon, had already turned down Mboya's request for a second airlift to bring in 200 African students who had received scholarships from U.S. schools.

The Kennedy family, utilizing the Joseph P. Kennedy Jr. Foundation, decided to give Mboya a $100,000 donation to pay for the second airlift, in memory of JFK's brother who was killed in World War II.

Knowing the Kennedy family was going to pay for the second airlift, Nixon prevailed on the State Department to reverse its earlier negative decision.

The African-American Students Foundation, however, decided to accept the Kennedy Foundation's offer, preferring the willing generosity of the privately offered financing to the obvious hostility the State Department had initially expressed to the group's request.

Mboya's decision was a rebuke to Nixon, who had failed to deliver the State Department until after the Kennedy family had stepped forward with funding.

At the time, the State Department was turning down Mboya's request in deference to the government of Jomo Kenyatta, which had argued, contrary to Mboya, that young, talented Kenyans should study closer to home and attend Makerere College in neighboring Uganda, instead of being trained in American universities.

Still, the myth of JFK's role in bringing President Obama's father to the U.S. persisted, reported again Jan. 10, 2008, by Washington-based reporter Elana Schor of London's Guardian newspaper.

On March 30, 2008, Michael Dobbs published an article in the Washington Post, carefully entitled "Obama Overstates Kennedy's Role in Helping His Father," so as not to characterize candidate Obama's Selma remarks as a lie.

"Obama spokesman Bill Burton acknowledged yesterday that the senator from Illinois had erred in crediting the Kennedy family with a role in his father's arrival in the United States," Dobbs wrote. "[Burton] said the Kennedy involvement in the Kenya student program apparently started 48 years ago, not 49 years ago as Obama has mistakenly suggested in the past."

To correct the "overstatement," Dobbs incorrectly reported that Barack Obama Sr. had come to the United States in the Sept. 9, 1959, initial airlift organized by Jackie Robinson without the financial support of the Kennedy family.

"There was enormous excitement when the Britannia aircraft took off for New York with the future Kenyan elite aboard," Dobbs wrote of the first airlift. "After a few weeks of orientation, the students were dispatched to universities across the United States to study subjects that would help them govern Kenya after the departure of the British. Obama Sr. was interested in economics and was sent to Hawaii, where he met, and later married, a Kansas native named Ann Dunham."

Further corroboration that Barack Obama Sr. was not on the first airlift is provided by Tom Shachtman in his 2009 book, "Airlift to America."

On page 9 of the book, Shachtman confirms Mboya was unable to transport Barack Obama Sr. to the United States on any of the airlifts organized by Jackie Robinson or the AASF.

Nativity story

WND also has reported that contrary to the president's statements, his father did not abandon the family in Hawaii when he accepted an invitation to study at Harvard in 1962.

Documents uncovered by WND also have raised questions about whether President Obama's parents ever lived together as husband and wife, despite Obama's repeated assertions his parents lived together in Hawaii during the first two years of his life.

WND has reported the only documentation for Ann Dunham's marriage to Barack Obama Sr. comes from their divorce documents that list the marriage date as Feb. 2, 1961.

In actuality, it isn't clear Obama's parents were married, since official records have never been produced showing a legal ceremony took place. No wedding certificate or photograph of a ceremony for Dunham and Obama Sr. has ever been found or published.

WND previously reported Michelle Obama stated at a public event that her husband's mother was "very young and very single" when she gave birth to the future U.S. president.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=125351

Vincent
02-18-2010, 04:23 PM
If you were to wager, which of the three gentlemen to "the president's" right looks most likely to be his father?

http://s647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/vinnyq/WhosyerDaddy.png

I’m thinking he looks somewhere between #2 and 3. 2 and 3 have similar facial shapes, eyes, and hairlines. bho's nose and mouth are somewhere in between.

This is actually terrible for the birthers because it'd eliminate the question of citizenship altogether. #2 and 3 were both citizens.

Now if it were the case that either #2 or 3 was the "baby daddy", the question would then become who zoomed whom. If it was #2 then he and Stanley Ann would be the rents. There are "naughty" photos of SA "out there", supposedly taken by Frank Davis (aka "Uncle Frank" the pornographer) that suggest that just might have happened. Equally possible is that Stanley Ann's Dad schtupped one of the pros down at the bars he and UF hung out at.

But bho doesn’t look anything like contestant #1. That is puzzling because bho has "relatives" in Kenya that swear he was born there. And bho went over to Kenya in 06 to campaign for his "cousin" Raila Odinga.

Odd "family" regardless of which story is the truth.

Leftoverhard
02-18-2010, 07:06 PM
Let's face it, the biggest argument used by conservatives on this board, and in general, to justify voting for Sarah Palin is NOT the virtues of their candidate or the platform, it is by characterizing democrats and liberals as dishonest and unethical.


We're in the midst of yet another thread about the president's birth certificate, playing *guess the father*

So i fixed that for you. :wink02:

tony hipchest
02-18-2010, 07:19 PM
If you were to wager, which of the three gentlemen to "the president's" right looks most likely to be his father?

http://s647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/vinnyq/WhosyerDaddy.png

I’m thinking he looks somewhere between #2 and 3. 2 and 3 have similar facial shapes, eyes, and hairlines. bho's nose and mouth are somewhere in between.

This is actually terrible for the birthers because it'd eliminate the question of citizenship altogether. #2 and 3 were both citizens.

Now if it were the case that either #2 or 3 was the "baby daddy", the question would then become who zoomed whom. If it was #2 then he and Stanley Ann would be the rents. There are "naughty" photos of SA "out there", supposedly taken by Frank Davis (aka "Uncle Frank" the pornographer) that suggest that just might have happened. Equally possible is that Stanley Ann's Dad schtupped one of the pros down at the bars he and UF hung out at.

But bho doesn’t look anything like contestant #1. That is puzzling because bho has "relatives" in Kenya that swear he was born there. And bho went over to Kenya in 06 to campaign for his "cousin" Raila Odinga.

Odd "family" regardless of which story is the truth.why did you leave out #5 (the gentelman in your sig)? he obviously has the same features and looks to be the TRUE father of bho (moreso than the others, atleast). :rolleyes:

james looks more like #2 (who i assume is the genetic donor for him, and therefore baracks granpappy).

in other news- obama was "born" in a lab, hatched from an incubated bowling ball. :willy:

urgle burgle
02-18-2010, 07:35 PM
well that would explain his ongoing animosity towards "whites"....the whole black bowling ball crashing into "white" pins. i personally think he is Pauley Shore in disguise....have you seen both of them together, at the same time?.....no, you havent.


viva la Hoboken.

SteelersinCA
02-18-2010, 09:36 PM
When was the ruling and by whom? I've read that the SC declined the case in 12/08, but I haven't found that there has been a ruling that closes the case.

The most prominent of those that have filed suits is Philip Berg, a liberal dem. Why would he do that?

Why has bho spent more than a million to pay a dozen law firms to battle this all over the countryside? It doesn't make sense.

If the real BC exists, why not have Gibbs trot it out and say "See? Now STFU". It'd be sooooo easy. Why haven't they done that?

That is why there are questions.

:drink:

When the supreme courts declines a case, the lower courts ruling becomes the ruling.

The Patriot
02-18-2010, 11:23 PM
Whelp, I'm convinced. Put him on the boat.

tony hipchest
02-18-2010, 11:47 PM
is vincent the cap'n of this boat? :wink02:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/274/spforrestgumpxc8.png (http://img155.imageshack.us/i/spforrestgumpxc8.png/)

:chuckle:

MasterOfPuppets
02-19-2010, 02:11 AM
:crying01: ... i want a new president ...:sofunny:
hey !!! maybe if you anti obamanist threaten with a hungar strike he'll step down ...:thumbsup:... or try holding your breath till he quits.....:rofl:

here's another one not happy with obama...you guys should join forces...:thumbsup:

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Dino 6 Rings
02-19-2010, 09:56 AM
Barry's momma was an American citizen, so, its pretty clear that he's an American.

And if his grandad was really his dad, who knocked up some hooker, or girl, or whatever, and his sister, acted like his momma, then still, he's a citizen. A bastard citizen, but still a citizen.

It is rather fun to poke holes in his stories though. Call him out for mistakes he says about his own life, Like Hillary saying she was named after the climber, who climbed everest like 5 years after she was born and named.

Anyway, I don't need to question his Citizenship, really, I can see from his broken promises, his liberal agenda, his lies, his blunders, his mistakes, that he's just Not Good At The Job.

So there we have that. Is he a citizen, yep, is he a shiiitttty president, yep.

GBMelBlount
02-19-2010, 10:32 AM
So there we have that. Is he a citizen, yep, is he a shiiitttty president, yep. :applaudit:

Yep, although our friends on the left will fall all over themselves agreeing with first part of your post........

as far as even acknowledging the second fact, the silence is deafening... :rofl:

....did i just hear a pin drop? :chuckle:

MACH1
02-19-2010, 12:01 PM
A bastard citizen, but still a citizen.

:hatsoff:

Vincent
02-19-2010, 12:39 PM
A bastard citizen, but still a citizen.

Yep. Clears the whole thing up.

Leftoverhard
02-19-2010, 12:40 PM
I've never actually heard a good (or any) argument for what makes Obama such a sh***y president from any of the conservatives on this board. Beside his grandpa/dad and his "ugly wife" what is it that you hate so much?

MACH1
02-19-2010, 12:47 PM
I've never actually heard a good (or any) argument for what makes Obama such a sh***y president from any of the conservatives on this board. Beside his grandpa/dad and his "ugly wife" what is it that you hate so much?

I wonder that too, when I pay my monthly and quarterly employment taxes on top of all the other taxes.

One year and counting and he has done nothing but eff this country up worse.

X-Terminator
02-19-2010, 12:53 PM
I've never actually heard a good (or any) argument for what makes Obama such a sh***y president from any of the conservatives on this board. Beside his grandpa/dad and his "ugly wife" what is it that you hate so much?

Dude, have you been reading threads, or just skimming through them without really paying attention? Because just about every conservative here has pointed out exactly why they don't like him. It isn't HIM, it's his policies that they strongly disagree with. For me, it's his unbelievable fiscal irresponsibility and wanting to force government health care on America despite the people clearly and strongly rejecting the idea. Not only that, he is not a fan of cutting taxes for EVERY American, rather than just a chosen few. Besides, if he really wanted to spur economic growth and job creation, he'd cut back the corporate tax rate which is the highest in the world. But that will never happen - if Bush couldn't get it done, then there's no chance in hell Obama would ever do it.

HometownGal
02-19-2010, 02:19 PM
I've never actually heard a good (or any) argument for what makes Obama such a sh***y president from any of the conservatives on this board.

Sh***y is a harsh word. So is hate. I don't hate Obaaaaaama, but hell - if we wanted to put someone in office who would do absolutely NOTHING (well - other than make matters even worse than they were before), we could have elected . . . .

http://bobo-t-clown.com/images/bluebeard01a.jpg


P.S. I don't dislike Mrs. Obaaaaama because she is as attractive as a bowl of cottage cheese. I dislike her because she outed herself as a racist - well before the election - something her husband claims to abhor.

Vincent
02-19-2010, 04:31 PM
...we could have elected . . .

I'm sorry. A line must be drawn. I would NOT support a Bobo candidacy. Nothing against clowns. He entirely lacks the requisite experience and skills.

Let's face it, the biggest argument used by conservatives on this board, and in general, to justify voting for Sarah Palin is NOT the virtues of their candidate or the platform, it is by characterizing democrats and liberals as dishonest and unethical.

Mrs. Palin is a very nice person by all accounts. Even Alec Baldwin says so. And while I find her positions more in line with the country's needs than those of the Kenyan interloper, and we have no idea where Bobo stands on anything, I think all three lack the requisite experience and skills to be president.

I don't think democrats are necessarily dishonest and corrupt. But the party leadership is. They are in the process of a national implementation of the Cloward-Piven Strategy. You should look that up and understand what it means to you, me, everybody on this board, and the entire country. It is the strategy of manufactured crisis using the “crisis” model to overwhelm public resources for the purpose of collapsing the economy and throwing society into revolution. The Cloward-Piven Strategy is a distillation of the Alinsky models for radicals. The Kenyan interloper is an Alinsky disciple and is using Cloward-Piven to bring us down. He promised “change”. This is what he meant. BTW, in their lexicon, we and the target institutions are referred to as "the enemy". Campaigns against institutions are called "offensives".

I've never actually heard a good (or any) argument for what makes Obama such a sh***y president from any of the conservatives on this board. Beside his grandpa/dad and his "ugly wife" what is it that you hate so much?

You haven't listened. Make the case that he is a good president.

I have said in numerous posts here and elsewhere that the only people I hate are terrorists, whether they be islamofascists, viet cong, IRA, hammas, whatever, and folks that aid and abet them. Your party leadership and "president" fall into the latter category, and have for decades.

Prior to the Kenyan interloper's "election", my issues with him were based on his spoken and written words, his mirky personal history, his past and present associations, his stated beliefs, and his complete lack of any qualifications for elected office. His actions and agenda since have moved him into that latter category.

The "Baby Daddy" thing? Hey, with that bunch, anything is possible. And if its contestant 2 or 3, at least he's a citizen.

Mich? Eh, you could get the idea she don't like white folks too much.

http://macedoniaonline.eu/images/michelle-carla.jpg

When the supreme courts declines a case, the lower courts ruling becomes the ruling.

Yeah, I know it has been declined all over the countryside. Has any court looked at the cert and pronounced it authentic and official?

urgle burgle
02-19-2010, 07:50 PM
if you look at what Bobo actually stands for.....hes a very good candidate:

strong national defense.
fiscal responsibility.
small government.
advocates effective car-pooling (lots of clowns fit into small cars).
advocates limited harsh interrogation measures..i.e. water boarding (by using water shooting flowers, or seltzer bottles)
advocates alternative health care (humor, kid friendly shows)

the only issue i have is his mandate for universal balloon animals....
but you cant have everything.

p.s. i dont like Obama because.....well he cross dresses as Margaret Thatcher in his free time. and sometimes he looks hotter than her.....its dumbfounding.

Vincent
02-19-2010, 08:21 PM
if you look at what Bobo actually stands for.....hes a very good candidate:

p.s. i dont like Obama because.....well he cross dresses as Margaret Thatcher in his free time. and sometimes he looks hotter than her.....its dumbfounding.

Yes, but what has Bobo done?

And bho couldn't carry Baroness Thatcher in a wheel barrow.

Leftoverhard
02-20-2010, 05:07 AM
I have said in numerous posts here and elsewhere that the only people I hate are terrorists, whether they be islamofascists, viet cong, IRA, hammas, whatever, and folks that aid and abet them. Your party leadership and "president" fall into the latter category, and have for decades.


So, if I'm reading what you just said correctly - not only do you hate Democrats and Obama but you think they aid and abet terrorists?

Oh, like the Bush/Bin laden connection? Or how our Republican government armed Iraq in the 80's?

SteelersinCA
02-20-2010, 12:24 PM
Yeah, I know it has been declined all over the countryside. Has any court looked at the cert and pronounced it authentic and official?

As far as I know, could be wrong, a candidate for President doesn't have to have a court look at their birth certificate and declare it authentic. There is some process for validating candidates and if that is followed and they decline to take the case that is pretty much the court saying we don't see a problem we don't need to look at it. I doubt a court looked at McCain's either.

Interestingly enough, all the people clamoring for tort reform should be ecstatic that the cases were dismissed. The court looked at them and decided they were frivolous and that Berg lacked standing.

Vincent
02-20-2010, 03:55 PM
So, if I'm reading what you just said correctly - not only do you hate Democrats and Obama but you think they aid and abet terrorists?

I chose my words carefully Lefty. “I don't think democrats are necessarily dishonest and corrupt. But the party leadership is.” And “the only people I hate are terrorists, whether they be islamofascists, viet cong, IRA, hamas, whatever, and folks that aid and abet them. Your party leadership and "president" fall into the latter category, and have for decades.”. You are not reading me correctly.

“Aid and abet”, redundant terms, means to assist another in the commission of a crime by words or conduct.

The relationships between your party and communists goes back to the 20s. Lenin and Stalin referred to Western liberals as "useful idiots" who endorsed soviet policies in the West. Sov policy was and is very simple – destroy anything that opposes “the revolution”. That includes us.

The bolsheviks were terrorists that co-opted a popular uprising, subdued that country, established a totalitarian state, then proceeded to export the “revolution” utilizing the same bolshevik terrorism, and continue to do so to this day. We have been in a death fight with terrorism all over the world for the better part of a century. The elephants have labeled its modern phase the "war on terror". The donkeys renamed it the "overseas contingency operation".

“Appease” means to yield or concede to the belligerent demands of (a nation, group, person, etc.) in a conciliatory effort, usually at the expense of justice or other principles.

Your party has a well documented history of aiding, abetting, and appeasing terrorism whether it be rampant sov spies in FDR’s administrations, his overtly sympathetic VP, Wallace, the “anti-war”radicals of the 60s that went on to office, to Uncle Ted shutting off appropriated funds for the Viet Nam war and writing secret letters to Andropov, to clinton leading anti-American rallies in England, to kerry meeting with the viet cong in Paris, to carter, and later clinton “brokering peace” between Israel and the terrorists at considerable cost to the Isrealis, to donkey leadership meeting with the sandinistas, to clinton giving the chicomms the nuclear Crown Jewels, to bho’s world weakness and apology tours, aid to the “palestinian authority” and hamas, to the systematic destruction of our economy, to sending half the needed troops to Afghanistan and announcing “we’re outa here in 18 months", and the list goes on and on.

If your definition of the overused and distorted word “hate” is similar to the dictionary’s, “to feel intense dislike, or extreme aversion or hostility”, then yes, that describes my attitude toward the behavior of those who aid, abet, appease or serve as useful idiots to our enemies. God knows how many lives have been wasted because of that behavior.

Oh, like the Bush/Bin laden connection? Or how our Republican government armed Iraq in the 80's?

Are you suggesting there are relationships between American and Arab oil? Of course there are. Are you suggesting that Bu Bu Bu Booosh is complicit in 9/11? There are some folks that believe that. If that were to be true, then yes, I would join the rest of the country in “intense dislike, extreme aversion, and even hostility”.

Arm Iraq? We supported Iraq in the Iran – Iraq war because of the terrorist state to their East they were fighting. We also aided the mujahedeen against the sovs. “Arm” Iraq? Yeah, we gave Iraq sov air defense systems, scuds, Migs, Sukhois, T-72s, RPGs and Kalashnikovs, right? Among the reasons we rolled over them in two wars is because they were armed with sov gear.

Vincent
02-20-2010, 06:23 PM
:crying01: ... i want a new president ...:sofunny:
hey !!! maybe if you anti obamanist threaten with a hungar strike he'll step down ...:thumbsup:... or try holding your breath till he quits.....:rofl:

Guilty as charged. I want a president that salutes our flag, respects our folks in uniform and treats them with the utmost respect, one that speaks well of our country rather than disrespectfully and apologetically, one that doesn't deliberately spend us into oblivion, one that doesn't aid, abet and appease our enemies, one that has been proud to be an American for all his life.

Does that make a crybaby?

An interesting view from a Canadian...

"In all fairness, it wasn’t HARD to be RIGHT in my prediction concerning Obama’s Presidency, even in its first 6 months, so I’m going to make yet another prediction:

OBAMA WILL PROBABLY NOT FINISH HIS 4-YEAR TERM, at least not in a conventional way.

He is such a political HORROR-SHOW, and so detrimental to the USA and his own Democratic Party, that the Democrats themselves will either FORCE him to resign or figure out a way to have him thrown out.

Who knows, maybe he really isn’t a BORN US Citizen and that’s a way the Democrats will be able to get rid of him.

Or – MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, the Democrats will make Obama THEIR OWN LAME DUCK PRESIDENT."

http://www.galganov.com/editorials.asp?ID=1147

IMHO, November will lame this duck.

GBMelBlount
02-20-2010, 06:59 PM
Leftoverhard

I've never actually heard a good (or any) argument for what makes Obama such a sh***y president from any of the conservatives on this board.

Well lefty, I personally don't know how to be any more clear.

I believe in freedom, liberty, free markets and limited government.

I believe people should keep 90% of what they work for and not give 50% to the government.

I believe that the best quality and priced products and services come from free market competitive environments and not from a government monopoly where there is usually little competition or accountability.

It's very simple lefty, I believe in the basic principles on which this great country was founded.

It doesn't matter if it is a republican or a democrat, if they go against the most basic and simple principles of freedom, liberty and free markets, I tend to have a problem.

Obama is arguably a socialist and his beliefs and actions as president run almost completely contrary to the principles on which our country was founded.

If you want to dig into the details, we can, but I'm sure you'll agree lefty, that probably isn't necessary... :drink:

....at best, you'll get me to agree there were things about Bush (especially spending) that I didn't like but I highly doubt it will be pretty if we go down the "what has Obama done" road.

Vincent
02-20-2010, 08:49 PM
Obama is arguably a socialist and his beliefs and actions as president run almost completely contrary to the principles on which our country was founded.

If you want to dig into the details, we can...

On the question of whether he is a socialist, there's no arguement. His positions speak for themselves. These are the 2008 campaign positions of the communist party, the "democratic socialists of America, and bho...

http://s647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/vinnyq/2008CampaignIssuesandPositions.jpg

http://truthandcons.blogspot.com/2008/10/conspiracy-of-lemmings-barack-obama-and.html

Obama’s website offers a much more “nuanced” explanation of his policies, but on the critical issues listed above, there is remarkable similarity to the Communist and Socialist positions on almost every issue. In fact, one might easily conclude he was inspired by them, since they were there first and their positions almost never change.

Obama has openly admitted that he wants to raise top marginal tax rates back to “Reagan Era” levels, although his most recent campaign literature says “Clinton Era” levels. His website tax issue page also states: “Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years.” This means retroactive tax increases to 2001!

In a 2001 radio interview, Obama considers Supreme Court’s failure to consider “redistribution of income” as a shortcoming that needs to be remedied. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

As this video makes startlingly clear, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o84PE871BE&feature=related Obama promises to make deep cuts in defense spending and gut our defense posture, regardless of the more “nuanced” tone of his website. Obama is unequivocal in his call for universal health insurance, although once again, his website muddies this fact with promises of tax credits for private insurance. His preference for the UN and other international bodies not particularly friendly to the U.S. is well known.

Obama fully supports the very deceptively named “Employee Free Choice Act,” which abolishes the secret ballot and forces employees to reveal how they vote on union issues. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMNVIQqatyU A setup for union intimidation, this unprecedented legislation is truly Orwellian. If you want some shocking perspective, even Nixon-era, far left former presidential candidate George McGovern has gone on the warpath against this very anti-democratic legislation, with an article, a commercial and multiple TV interviews. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121815502467222555.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afjp4Cx-3W0

This puke is a radical.

silver & black
02-20-2010, 09:14 PM
Guilty as charged. I want a president that salutes our flag, respects our folks in uniform and treats them with the utmost respect, one that speaks well of our country rather than disrespectfully and apologetically, one that doesn't deliberately spend us into oblivion, one that doesn't aid, abet and appease our enemies, one that has been proud to be an American for all his life.

Does that make a crybaby?

An interesting view from a Canadian...

"In all fairness, it wasn’t HARD to be RIGHT in my prediction concerning Obama’s Presidency, even in its first 6 months, so I’m going to make yet another prediction:

OBAMA WILL PROBABLY NOT FINISH HIS 4-YEAR TERM, at least not in a conventional way.

He is such a political HORROR-SHOW, and so detrimental to the USA and his own Democratic Party, that the Democrats themselves will either FORCE him to resign or figure out a way to have him thrown out.

Who knows, maybe he really isn’t a BORN US Citizen and that’s a way the Democrats will be able to get rid of him.

Or – MORE LIKELY THAN NOT, the Democrats will make Obama THEIR OWN LAME DUCK PRESIDENT."

http://www.galganov.com/editorials.asp?ID=1147

IMHO, November will lame this duck.

:applaudit:... :drink:

Leftoverhard
02-20-2010, 09:53 PM
Vincent - You keep saying "my" party.
I'm not a Democrat - I'm way more liberal than that. :wink02: I also don't think socialism is a bad word.

GBMel - Obama is arguably a socialist and his beliefs and actions as president run almost completely contrary to the principles on which our country was founded.
That is simply not true. I can understand that you personally don't like his ideas or policies - but un-American?

Vincent
02-20-2010, 10:21 PM
Vincent - You keep saying "my" party. I'm not a Democrat - I'm way more liberal than that. :wink02: I also don't think socialism is a bad word.

You're right. I shouldn't have assumed. So, you're to the left of the donkeys? Are you a communist?

Doesn't think "socialism" is a bad word. There are several hundred million dead folks that would disagree with you on that.

I'll give you this much. You have the chitlins to admit it.

GBMel - That is simply not true. I can understand that you personally don't like his ideas or policies - but un-American?

No, he is quite un-American. He has boldly stated that he intends to "change" America. And everything he has said indicates he intends to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism. He's no different than lenin, stalin, hitler, castro, or any socialist despot in that regard. And I have no doubt that if he were to get the same choke hold on our country as the aforementioned despots had on theirs, he'd be no less despotic.

And you agree with these assholes, do you?

Leftoverhard
02-21-2010, 06:19 PM
You're right. I shouldn't have assumed. So, you're to the left of the donkeys? Are you a communist?

Doesn't think "socialism" is a bad word. There are several hundred million dead folks that would disagree with you on that.

I'll give you this much. You have the chitlins to admit it.



No, he is quite un-American. He has boldly stated that he intends to "change" America. And everything he has said indicates he intends to destroy capitalism and replace it with socialism. He's no different than lenin, stalin, hitler, castro, or any socialist despot in that regard. And I have no doubt that if he were to get the same choke hold on our country as the aforementioned despots had on theirs, he'd be no less despotic.

And you agree with these assholes, do you?

Donkeys, Elephants - minus a few social issues and claims about fiscal differences, they are pretty similar.
Funny how you think there's such a huge difference between red and blue. It's a lot like rooting for a sports team I guess - we're all die hard fans of our teams but the players rotate and play for the highest bidder - their loyalty is to their wallet. We buy the hype - and the merch and defend our very similar teams to the death.
:tt:

GBMelBlount
02-21-2010, 07:08 PM
GBMel -
That is simply not true. I can understand that you personally don't like his ideas or policies - but un-American?

Yes, un-American.

Our government is now arguably more tyrannical and controlling than the one our founding fathers fought and died to free us from...and Obama wants to greatly increase government control of our lives.

I can't put it much more simply than that lefty.

GBMelBlount
02-21-2010, 08:57 PM
I also don't think socialism is a bad word.



I completely understand Lefty.

The concept of socialism can be quite appealing in theory.....

especially to those who are lazy or jealous of others possessions.

Vincent
02-21-2010, 10:04 PM
Donkeys, Elephants - minus a few social issues and claims about fiscal differences, they are pretty similar.
Funny how you think there's such a huge difference between red and blue. It's a lot like rooting for a sports team I guess - we're all die hard fans of our teams but the players rotate and play for the highest bidder - their loyalty is to their wallet. We buy the hype - and the merch and defend our very similar teams to the death.
:tt:

You seem to assume that I follow a team.

I agree with you that there is little that separates them, save a few "issues" other than their leadership. And that is the problem. The donkeys have allowed themselves to be taken over by marxists. The elephants are just a bunch of scared elephants in a ship without a rudder.

The concept of socialism can be quite appealing in theory..... especially to those who are lazy or jealous of others possessions.

Dutch once said...

"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an Anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." and

"Socialism only works in two places - Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it."

And my favorite Churchill quote - "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."

Leftoverhard
02-22-2010, 04:46 PM
GBMel - Never been called lazy before. I have been called a hard worker, a leader and a good asset.

I'll let you or Vincent have the last word on this succubus of a thread.

Vincent
02-22-2010, 04:59 PM
I'll let you or Vincent have the last word on this succubus of a thread.

Succubus?

So Lefty, you haven't told us. Are you a communist?

You seem like a bright guy. Make the case for bho. I hear lots of hyperbole about this guy but nothing substantive. What has he done, or has said that he will do, compels your support?

MACH1
02-22-2010, 05:01 PM
I'm still waiting for my free stuff.

tony hipchest
02-22-2010, 09:14 PM
I believe people should keep 90% of what they work for
.

:toofunny:



Dutch once said...

"How do you tell a Communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an Anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." and

"Socialism only works in two places - Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it."

And my favorite Churchill quote - "Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy."

ah, yes. very profound words from two of the most famous followers of the teachings of aleister crowley and anton lavey.

:evil:

when marx said "religion is the opiate of the masses", i am sure they understood this as well as anyone. :poke:

Vincent
02-23-2010, 10:52 AM
ah, yes. very profound words from two of the most famous followers of the teachings of aleister crowley and anton lavey.

If you're going down that alley, keep in mind that Churchill's V gesture and it's brother the "peace" sign are occultic symbols. I know you know about that stuff.

There is a lot of stuff placing Churchill in the "druid community", and there was massive use of "things dark" on both sides of WWII. However, I have not seen any linkage between Dutch and the two you mentioned above. Bush 1, yes, but not Dutch.

Hammer67
02-23-2010, 11:12 AM
As a conservative...I have to say, this stupid birther stuff needs to stop, already. Conspiracy theorists scare me from both extremes.