View Full Version : Canadian Premier opts for US Procedure

02-23-2010, 02:04 PM
This is where the rubber meets the road. The Newfoundland and Labrador Premier opts for a minimally invasive procedure rather than have socialized "healthcare" goons crack his chest. I gotcher "healthcare crisis" right here... :jerkit:

Meanwhile, ignoring the 68% of America that oppose freekin obamacare, its full speed ahead to ruin the best medical services on the freekin planet.

'My heart, my choice,' Williams says, defending decision for U.S. heart surgery

By Tara Brautigam (CP) 18 hours ago

An unapologetic Danny Williams (no relation to our next NT) says he was aware his trip to the United States for heart surgery earlier this month would spark outcry, but he concluded his personal health trumped any public fallout over the controversial decision.

In an interview with The Canadian Press, Williams said he went to Miami to have a "minimally invasive" surgery for an ailment first detected nearly a year ago, based on the advice of his doctors.

"This was my heart, my choice and my health," Williams said late Monday from his condominium in Sarasota, Fla.

"I did not sign away my right to get the best possible health care for myself when I entered politics."

The 60-year-old Williams said doctors detected a heart murmur last spring and told him that one of his heart valves wasn't closing properly, creating a leakage.

He said he was told at the time that the problem was "moderate" and that he should come back for a checkup in six months.

Eight months later, in December, his doctors told him the problem had become severe and urged him to get his valve repaired immediately or risk heart failure, he said.

His doctors in Canada presented him with two options - a full or partial sternotomy, both of which would've required breaking bones, he said.

He said he spoke with and provided his medical information to a leading cardiac surgeon in New Jersey who is also from Newfoundland and Labrador. He advised him to seek treatment at the Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami.

That's where he was treated by Dr. Joseph Lamelas, a cardiac surgeon who has performed more than 8,000 open-heart surgeries.

Williams said Lamelas made an incision under his arm that didn't require any bone breakage.

"I wanted to get in, get out fast, get back to work in a short period of time," the premier said.

Williams said he didn't announce his departure south of the border because he didn't want to create "a media gong show," but added that criticism would've followed him had he chose to have surgery in Canada.

"I would've been criticized if I had stayed in Canada and had been perceived as jumping a line or a wait list. ... I accept that. That's public life," he said.

"(But) this is not a unique phenomenon to me. This is something that happens with lots of families throughout this country, so I make no apologies for that."

Williams said his decision to go to the U.S. did not reflect any lack of faith in his own province's health care system.

"I have the utmost confidence in our own health care system in Newfoundland and Labrador, but we are just over half a million people," he said.

"We do whatever we can to provide the best possible health care that we can in Newfoundland and Labrador. The Canadian health care system has a great reputation, but this is a very specialized piece of surgery that had to be done and I went to somebody who's doing this three or four times a day, five, six days a week."

He quipped that he had "a heart of a 40-year-old, so that gives me 20 years new life," and said he intends to run in the next provincial election in 2011.

"I'm probably going to be around for a long time, hopefully, if God willing," he said.

"God forbid for the Canadian public I won't be around longer than ever."

Williams also said he paid for the treatment, but added he would seek any refunds he would be eligible for in Canada.

"If I'm entitled to any reimbursement from any Canadian health care system or any provincial health care system, then obviously I will apply for that as anybody else would," he said.

"But I wrote out the cheque myself and paid for it myself and to this point, I haven't even looked into the possibility of any reimbursement. I don't know what I'm entitled to, if anything, and if it's nothing, then so be it."

He is expected back at work in early March.

02-23-2010, 02:53 PM
Is anyone surprised. Of course as Democrats try to shovel this unconstitutional crap down our throats, they forget to mention things like quality of service when making their case...

02-24-2010, 06:19 AM
I saw this story on the morning news and started laughing. The dems point to Canada as the model yet one of their own premiers comes to the U.S. to get the best care possible. Hmmmm, should a certain group be taking the hint.

02-24-2010, 09:25 AM
I saw this story on the morning news and started laughing. The dems point to Canada as the model yet one of their own premiers comes to the U.S. to get the best care possible. Hmmmm, should a certain group be taking the hint.

The sad ugly truth is that hordes of Canadians cross the border for medical services, and I don't blame them.

02-24-2010, 11:06 AM
The sad ugly truth is that hordes of Canadians cross the border for medical services, and I don't blame them.

People from all over the world come to the United States for the best medical service and the cutting edge procedures. That will all go away

02-24-2010, 07:20 PM
Someone please explain why we would want this here.

February 25, 2010
Stafford Hospital caused ‘unimaginable suffering’

Relatives of patients involved in the report hold pictures of their loved ones outside the Moat House hotel near Stafford

(David Jones/PA)

David Rose, Health Correspondent

Patients were routinely neglected or left “sobbing and humiliated” by staff at an NHS trust where at least 400 deaths have been linked to appalling care.

An independent inquiry found that managers at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust stopped providing safe care because they were preoccupied with government targets and cutting costs.

The inquiry report, published yesterday by Robert Francis, QC, included proposals for tough new regulations that could lead to managers at failing NHS trusts being struck off.

Staff shortages at Stafford Hospital meant that patients went unwashed for weeks, were left without food or drink and were even unable to get to the lavatory. Some lay in soiled sheets that relatives had to take home to wash, others developed infections or had falls, occasionally fatal. Many staff did their best but the attitude of some nurses “left a lot to be desired”.

The report, which follows reviews by the Care Quality Commission and the Department of Health, said that “unimaginable” suffering had been caused. Regulators said last year that between 400 and 1,200 more patients than expected may have died at the hospital from 2005 to 2008.

Andy Burnham, the Health Secretary, said there could be “no excuses” for the failures and added that the board that presided over the scandal had been replaced. An undisclosed number of doctors and at least one nurse are being investigated by the General Medical Council and Nursing and Midwifery Council.

Mr Burnham said it was a “longstanding anomaly” that the NHS did not have a robust way of regulating managers or banning them from working, as it does with doctors or nurses. “We must end the situation where a senior NHS manager who has failed in one job can simply move to another elsewhere,” he added. “This is not acceptable to the public and not conducive to promoting accountability and high professional standards.”

A system of professional accreditation for senior managers would be considered and the Mid Staffordshire trust might lose its foundation status.

Some NHS chief executives have received six-figure redundancy packages or moved to other trusts despite poor performance. Martin Yeates, the former chief executive at Mid Staffordshire, received pay rises that took his annual salary to 180,000, while standards at the trust deteriorated.

The Liberal Democrats claimed that he had also received a payoff of more than 400,000 after stepping down last March, though Mr Burnham said he had received “no more than his contractual entitlement”.

The Care Quality Commission, the NHS regulator, said that the trust under its new management was now “safe to provide services”. But it still had concerns about staffing, patient welfare, the availability and suitability of equipment at the trust, and how it monitored and dealt with complaints. The inquiry made 18 recommendations for the trust and the wider health service, which the Government accepted in full. They include a new review of how regulators and regional health authorities monitor NHS hospitals and a report on “early-warning systems” to identify failing trusts.

But the families of those who died or suffered poor care branded the inquiry a “whitewash” and repeated calls for a full public investigation. The Conservatives accused ministers of trying to blame managers rather than taking responsibility for problems with national targets.

Julie Bailey, who founded the victims’ campaign group Cure the NHS after her mother died at Stafford Hospital, said that the handling of the scandal was disgraceful and unacceptable.

“It is time that the public were told the truth about the very large number of excess deaths in NHS care and the very large number of avoidable but deadly errors that occur every day.”

The NHS Confederation, which represents health trusts, said: “The responsibility for the way this hospital was run rests with its board, management and staff but, as the report says, the framework of targets, regulatory systems and policy priorities it worked within are also very important.”

More... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1253438/Mid-Staffordshire-NHS-hospital-routinely-neglected-patients.html

02-25-2010, 01:07 AM
Socialized medicine is not the answer; I think that's pretty obvious. The whole problem would really solve itself if hospitals were just not allowed to charge whatever price they felt like. That's it. Period. You do not get to charge $60,000 for a procedure that took 45 minutes of a doctor's time and a couple bags of IV fluid. Healthcare crisis over.

02-25-2010, 12:13 PM
Healthcare crisis over.

There is no "crisis". "Crisis" is the language of the left. It's their only currency. As long as we allow the left to frame things as "crises", they will continue their century old strategy of manufactured "crisis". Take the "crisis" off the table and the left is done. The only thing they bring to the table is fear of "crises". Nobody buys leftism when it is presented as leftism. How many times do we need to see this movie?

The only real "crisis" is that we've allowed those that seek to destroy us to continually hamstring us with their "crises". If we continue with this idiocy, they will succeed.

How many trillions will it cost us to see this?

tony hipchest
03-10-2010, 11:50 PM
Palin's claim family sought medical care in Canada prompts scrutiny, ridicule



WASHINGTON — Sarah Palin's weekend admission that her family once travelled to Canada to receive treatment under the public health-care system she's so often demonized prompted skepticism and ridicule Monday among her critics in the United States.

"My first five years of life we spent in Skagway, Alaska, right there by Whitehorse," the former Alaska governor said Saturday night during a speech in Calgary.

"Believe it or not - this was in the '60s - we used to hustle on over the border for health care that we would receive in Whitehorse. I remember my brother, he burned his ankle in some little kid accident thing, and my parents had to put him on a train and rush him over to Whitehorse and I think, isn't that kind of ironic now. Zooming over the border, getting health care from Canada."

let the excuses ensue...

Always a popular whipping girl among liberal blogs and news sites, Palin was swiftly derided for the comments Monday as the news reverberated through and beyond the U.S. capital.

A headline on the New York media blog Gawker.com read: "Sarah Palin Supports Government-Run Health Care, Inadvertently Uses 'Ironic' Correctly."


Republicans battling against health-care reform have long claimed that Canadians flood the U.S. to get health care because of waiting lists north of the border.

But Palin's experience, if accurate, reflects what some studies suggest is a more common trend: Americans travelling abroad to get cheaper care.

A report last spring by Deloitte Center for Health Solutions said 750,000 Americans travelled abroad for medical care in 2007, and forecast that number would rise to six million by 2010. That trend far outpaces the number of Canadians coming to the U.S. for medical treatment.

03-11-2010, 11:05 AM
First of all, that was almost 50 years ago. I doubt that has much relevance to the fight against the current health care bill. Secondly, maybe Whitehorse was the closest town that had a hospital available. A lot of Canadians come to the U.S. for care for that very reason.

And again, Republicans aren't battling against health care reform. They are battling against this version of health care reform. Most agree that the system needs an overhaul but does NOT believe there should be a government takeover of health insurance (which is what is really being debated here, not actual care - the U.S. has the best care in the world). I personally agree with that. All we're going to get is higher costs and higher taxes for less service. And I'm sorry, but I'm really not interested in having to wait 6 months or longer for a medical procedure or my Mom having to wait that long for a procedure, nor am I interested in having the government be the sole arbiter of what is deemed medically necessary. That should be for the doctors to decide. None of this means that I'm 100% on the side of the insurance companies either - they have plenty of their own issues that need to be addressed.