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Northside Jonny
02-23-2010, 02:30 PM
According to NFL.com the Lions are shopping their 2nd overall pick in the upcoming draft. My question to you is should we trade up and possibly have a shot at landing Suh or McCoy? I know we need DB help but this year is very deep at the DB position and value can be found late. But landing Suh or McCoy would give us our NT for at least the next 7+ years. What do you think? It sure is an interesting topic. And please dont bring up the $.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/02/23/lions-soliciting-offers-no-2-draft-pick/

supa_fly_steeler
02-23-2010, 02:37 PM
Hell No. NO no No. How much we would have to give up just to be #2

And u need to bring $ into it because its an important factor in how the Steelers use their roster. Were either going to have to release alot of quality backups or trade our best players for the price of just suh who we dont even need.

The lions would probably ask for Timmons, Woodley or Mendenhall along with other picks.

And the Rooneys dont feel like giving a rookie 50 million a year.

jollyrob68
02-23-2010, 03:03 PM
If we pulled off that trade now before thursday i'd do it and not franchise Casey Hampton. But it also depends on what we have to give up. I wouldn't give up our 2nd rounder as I want Myron Rolle in the second. I'd give them 1,3,5 for that pick.
Then the draft as follows
1 McCoy or Suh
2 Myron Rolle
4 Chris Cook
5a Pat Angerer/EJ Edds
5b Anthony Dixon
6 Lee Boris/MIcah Johnson
7 Michael Hoomanawanui

supa_fly_steeler
02-23-2010, 03:16 PM
If we pulled off that trade now before thursday i'd do it and not franchise Casey Hampton. But it also depends on what we have to give up. I wouldn't give up our 2nd rounder as I want Myron Rolle in the second. I'd give them 1,3,5 for that pick.
Then the draft as follows
1 McCoy or Suh
2 Myron Rolle
4 Chris Cook
5a Pat Angerer/EJ Edds
5b Anthony Dixon
6 Lee Boris/MIcah Johnson
7 Michael Hoomanawanui

micah johnson wont be available in the sixth i assure u of that

RJ1670
02-23-2010, 03:21 PM
First of all that would be dumb. Second of all if we gave up literally our ENTIRE draft we would come up about 1000 points short of the value of the 2nd pick. IF they took just every pick we have (besides comps because you can't trade those) we could get basically who we want and neither McCoy or Suh would play NT for us so, who would you want with the second pick seeing is how we lose our entire draft and the two top prospects don't fit our system?

RJ1670
02-23-2010, 03:23 PM
Just so you guys know the second pick is worth 2600 points. Our 1,3,5 are worth 1113 points. It's not going to happen.

Northside Jonny
02-23-2010, 03:55 PM
First of all that would be dumb. Second of all if we gave up literally our ENTIRE draft we would come up about 1000 points short of the value of the 2nd pick. IF they took just every pick we have (besides comps because you can't trade those) we could get basically who we want and neither McCoy or Suh would play NT for us so, who would you want with the second pick seeing is how we lose our entire draft and the two top prospects don't fit our system?

I dont see how you say these guys dont fit in the system, they are probably the best 2 players in the draft . Im sure they can fit in any system. Second of all the whole point of my thread was not to anger other fans. I was more interested in finding out if we did try to pull this off what eveyone would accecpt giving up. Oh yeah by the way I myself am not in favor of trying to get that 2nd pick (at least not without a rookie salary cap).

If they made the move I would not bring back Casey 1st .
2. I would renegotiate Max Starks ovepaid ass or give him to the lions in the trade.
3. goodbye Willie P , Deshea , Jeff Reed this would free up money
4. Give up our first round pick this year and next ( anticipating we make at least the conference championship game) therefore your not giving up another mid 1st pick and Lawrence Timmons

Remember this is all just for fun guys! again I am not for moving up just stating some moves that make this all posssible.

supa_fly_steeler
02-23-2010, 03:58 PM
I dont see how you say these guys dont fit in the system, they are probably the best 2 players in the draft . Im sure they can fit in any system. Second of all the whole point of my thread was not to anger other fans. I was more interested in finding out if we did try to pull this off what eveyone would accecpt giving up. Oh yeah by the way I myself am not in favor of trying to get that 2nd pick (at least not without a rookie salary cap).

If they made the move I would not bring back Casey 1st .
2. I would renegotiate Max Starks ovepaid ass or give him to the lions in the trade.
3. goodbye Willie P , Deshea , Jeff Reed this would free up money
4. Give up our first round pick this year and next ( anticipating we make at least the conference championship game) therefore your not giving up another mid 1st pick

Remember this is all just for fun guys! again I am not for moving up just stating some moves that make this all posssible.

dude we dont want suh or need him, we can find a better player in the later rounds i garuntee it. Maybe Troup will be a beast of a NFL player. Suh is gonna be stuck on some lameass team like the Rams and be a bust.

I wouldn't give Reed away, the Lions wouldn't accept Starks then want someone like Woodley and hell naw am i giving up a first round pick... the panthers chose JON Beason with the 25th pick and he's far better than timmons at the moment and timmons was selected 17th or something.

Northside Jonny
02-23-2010, 03:59 PM
Hell No. NO no No. How much we would have to give up just to be #2

And u need to bring $ into it because its an important factor in how the Steelers use their roster. Were either going to have to release alot of quality backups or trade our best players for the price of just suh who we dont even need.

The lions would probably ask for Timmons, Woodley or Mendenhall along with other picks.

And the Rooneys dont feel like giving a rookie 50 million a year.

I would listen if all they wanted was Timmons. Woodley and Mendy ar off limits off course.

supa_fly_steeler
02-23-2010, 04:04 PM
I would listen if all they wanted was Timmons. Woodley and Mendy ar off limits off course.

then we have a massive hole at linebacker. Keyaron Fox is a good run stopper but him and farrior are slow we need to cover tight ends like todd heap.

either way we dont want a lineman with the first pick.

Chidi29
02-23-2010, 04:26 PM
I don't see Suh or McCoy being NTs. At least, not ideally. Both are way too explosive to be just space eaters and both are a little bit on the small side to play there. Unless you want to try to convert to a Dallas type of 3-4 with a guy like Ratliff at tackle.

Chidi29
02-23-2010, 04:30 PM
I dont see how you say these guys dont fit in the system, they are probably the best 2 players in the draft . Im sure they can fit in any system. Second of all the whole point of my thread was not to anger other fans. I was more interested in finding out if we did try to pull this off what eveyone would accecpt giving up. Oh yeah by the way I myself am not in favor of trying to get that 2nd pick (at least not without a rookie salary cap).

If they made the move I would not bring back Casey 1st .
2. I would renegotiate Max Starks ovepaid ass or give him to the lions in the trade.
3. goodbye Willie P , Deshea , Jeff Reed this would free up money
4. Give up our first round pick this year and next ( anticipating we make at least the conference championship game) therefore your not giving up another mid 1st pick and Lawrence Timmons

Remember this is all just for fun guys! again I am not for moving up just stating some moves that make this all posssible.

Why would Starks renegotiate? We just paid him last year. The last thing he's going to want to do is to take a paycut. It's like getting a raise and your boss asking two weeks later if you can work for minimum wage.

You'd lose leverage if you tried to shop him and if you were to deal him, who do you start at LT for this year and beyond? Tony Hills? Foster?

Northside Jonny
02-23-2010, 05:15 PM
Why would Starks renegotiate? We just paid him last year. The last thing he's going to want to do is to take a paycut. It's like getting a raise and your boss asking two weeks later if you can work for minimum wage.

You'd lose leverage if you tried to shop him and if you were to deal him, who do you start at LT for this year and beyond? Tony Hills? Foster?

At this point Hills or Foster may do just as well at the LT spot (just my opinion).
You could always draft a LT with your second pick right. Or go after a guy like Jermon Bushrod

Northside Jonny
02-23-2010, 05:18 PM
then we have a massive hole at linebacker. Keyaron Fox is a good run stopper but him and farrior are slow we need to cover tight ends like todd heap.

either way we dont want a lineman with the first pick.

What about this Micah Johnson you have a big boner for . I bet you he could fill in for Timmons in a heartbeat.

supa_fly_steeler
02-23-2010, 05:30 PM
What about this Micah Johnson you have a big boner for . I bet you he could fill in for Timmons in a heartbeat.

Well I wouldnt start him straight away rookies make mistakes, your asking him to do alot of stuff, plus he is more Farrior's type of replacement. Farrior specilises in stopping the run like micah and Lawrence specialises in coverage and pass rushing.

devilsdancefloor
02-23-2010, 05:31 PM
"IF" and that is a very big one at that we did pull this off we would be picking a the best OT nothing on the D side.

Northside Jonny
02-23-2010, 05:32 PM
Well I wouldnt start him straight away rookies make mistakes, your asking him to do alot of stuff, plus he is more Farrior's type of replacement. Farrior specilises in stopping the run like micah and Lawrence specialises in coverage and pass rushing.

What the heck does that mean supa. What wrong my friend cat got your tounge?

supa_fly_steeler
02-23-2010, 06:08 PM
What the heck does that mean supa. What wrong my friend cat got your tounge?

what the hell do u mean by that.

i wouldnt start any rookie.

go run the rams franchise and go 1-15 every year.

Northside Jonny
02-23-2010, 06:25 PM
what the hell do u mean by that.

i wouldnt start any rookie.

go run the rams franchise and go 1-15 every year.

LoL :chuckle: I'm sure if I ran the Rams they would at least be a consistant 8-8 team!

7willBheaven
02-23-2010, 06:32 PM
This thread makes me laugh.

supa_fly_steeler
02-23-2010, 07:04 PM
This thread makes me laugh.

:sofunny:

LoL I'm sure if I ran the Rams they would at least be a consistant 8-8 team!

By cheating yea :chuckle:

Northside Jonny
02-23-2010, 10:00 PM
Well I wouldnt start him straight away rookies make mistakes, your asking him to do alot of stuff, plus he is more Farrior's type of replacement. Farrior specilises in stopping the run like micah and Lawrence specialises in coverage and pass rushing.

But I bet if it was your butt buddy Earl Thomas you would start him right away? Because he wouldn't make any mistakes right? Besides I heard the same crap when we let Porter go, can Harrison really take over for Porter ??? Well that question was answered wasn't it. In my mind Timmons is nothing special and this will become even more evident when Farrior is gone and Timmons is the senior MLB.

And by the way supa its specialize.

jollyrob68
02-24-2010, 02:19 PM
micah johnson wont be available in the sixth i assure u of that

Any info on how Micah Johnson's injury is doing? Thats going to be the biggest question.
If he's good to go then I'd adjust him to the 4th and I forgot a center in the 5th.

Northside Jonny
02-24-2010, 03:02 PM
This thread makes me laugh.

Glad I could bring a smile to your face my friend!:drink:

supa_fly_steeler
02-24-2010, 03:10 PM
But I bet if it was your butt buddy Earl Thomas you would start him right away? Because he wouldn't make any mistakes right? Besides I heard the same crap when we let Porter go, can Harrison really take over for Porter ??? Well that question was answered wasn't it. In my mind Timmons is nothing special and this will become even more evident when Farrior is gone and Timmons is the senior MLB.

And by the way supa its specialize.

Naw id still Start Gay and bring in Thomas every rotation. Maybe start him and replace Clark towards end of games if he is tiring.

I still don't understand why we passed people like Aaron Ross and much better linebacker Jon Beason or even michael griffin.

Micah wont be doing anything soon, not even pro day. I think that might be why Coach Tomlin took a little visit to a baseball game in Kentucky.

Even with his injury id take him in the third round. He was playing with an injury all year and had alot of tackles. He's the best true 3-4 middle linebacker in this draft.

mulldog24
02-24-2010, 03:17 PM
I actually think Suh is the best player in the draft! In saying that, I still don't think that it would be wise to trade up to #2. I just think that it would cost too much in picks or players, both we need to much to trade away for 1 guy.

jollyrob68
02-26-2010, 04:07 PM
Naw id still Start Gay and bring in Thomas every rotation. Maybe start him and replace Clark towards end of games if he is tiring.

I still don't understand why we passed people like Aaron Ross and much better linebacker Jon Beason or even michael griffin.

Micah wont be doing anything soon, not even pro day. I think that might be why Coach Tomlin took a little visit to a baseball game in Kentucky.

Even with his injury id take him in the third round. He was playing with an injury all year and had alot of tackles. He's the best true 3-4 middle linebacker in this draft.

Thanks, I think if he's not doing a pro day he should be there in the 5th with our compensatory pick. I wouldn't be surprised if they take Sean Weatherspoon in the 1st and grab Micah in the 4th or 5th.

Their saying everyones waiting for Earl Thomas's measurements and if he's not 5'10" he will slip.

supa_fly_steeler
02-26-2010, 04:17 PM
Thanks, I think if he's not doing a pro day he should be there in the 5th with our compensatory pick. I wouldn't be surprised if they take Sean Weatherspoon in the 1st and grab Micah in the 4th or 5th.

Their saying everyones waiting for Earl Thomas's measurements and if he's not 5'10" he will slip.

Yea i hope he does slip. Size means nothing. He's a pure ballhawking safety.

jollyrob68
02-27-2010, 01:48 AM
Yea i hope he does slip. Size means nothing. He's a pure ballhawking safety.

So true about size with his ballhawking skills but if he's too short then they say he will slip in the draft because he's not big enough to warrant the risk of a first rounder. I still like him.

MasterOfPuppets
02-27-2010, 02:23 AM
But I bet if it was your butt buddy Earl Thomas you would start him right away? .
yep.... he would be his #1 "tight end" ......:sofunny:

Galax Steeler
02-27-2010, 05:42 AM
But I bet if it was your butt buddy Earl Thomas you would start him right away? Because he wouldn't make any mistakes right? Besides I heard the same crap when we let Porter go, can Harrison really take over for Porter ??? Well that question was answered wasn't it. In my mind Timmons is nothing special and this will become even more evident when Farrior is gone and Timmons is the senior MLB.

And by the way supa its specialize.

That is just wrong :toofunny:

supa_fly_steeler
02-27-2010, 06:18 AM
But I bet if it was your butt buddy Earl Thomas you would start him right away?.

Are you saying i like it up the butt. I give out
:wink02:

lol jk