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tony hipchest
03-06-2010, 10:54 PM
How much are bengalbucks worth? i guess not much compared to the $ £:chuckle: probably not...

but certainly worth more than the fuzz on a tigers nuts. :thumbsup:

jjpro11
03-07-2010, 12:01 AM
it's ironic really.. we used to have a QB that supposedly didn't like girls.. now we have a QB who can't keep his hands (and other area) off them. why can't we just have some middle ground?

smokin3000gt
03-07-2010, 12:10 AM
Here we go.. back to Ben Rapistberger

Texasteel
03-07-2010, 12:25 AM
I'm sorry but if "what she's saying" is true, that doesn't make Ben an idiot, that makes him a criminal. Big difference.

Don't be sorry, just try to refrain from making judgments until all the facts are known.

WH
03-07-2010, 05:15 AM
He probably just grabbed her titties. And if grabbin'' titties is sexual assault. Cuff me.

Prok
03-07-2010, 05:51 AM
**Would like to drop a case of dynamite in this thread, lite it, then run like hell.**

:helmet:

Rick5895
03-07-2010, 06:21 AM
I don't think Ben is guilty of anything except poor judgement. I just read Ron Cooks article and he is bang on with what he says. However, what I am about to say will likely get me slammed hard buy the good folks out there.
Maybe it's time the Steelers thought about moving forward without Ben. I know he has won a couple of superbowls, I know he is OUR franchise QB. I know he is tremendously talented. I know there are people out there waiting to make a fast buck at his expense. But he keeps making ridiculas decisions and putting himself in really poor situations. The Steelers have put a lot of money into him and IMO should be demanding from him proper judgement . If he remains a Steeler and I am sure he will Ben needs to grow up and STOP putting himself into the position where these kinds of allegations can happen. After the Nevada allegation he became a bigger target, now even more so. Just one persons opinion.

pete74
03-07-2010, 06:36 AM
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=63293

i love reading these morons views.

vrabinec
03-07-2010, 07:22 AM
Silver & black is a RAIDERS fan hence his name so he wouldn't want Ben on his team If it were true.... that's what he's saying.........

lmao! Ooops, I missed that. What the hell is a Raiders fan doing on here anyway?

Galax Steeler
03-07-2010, 07:26 AM
lmao! Ooops, I missed that. What the hell is a Raiders fan doing on here anyway?

We have members on here from different teams and alot of them are cool and have some good imput on here. Alot of them have more common sense on here then some steeler fans have.

HometownGal
03-07-2010, 07:43 AM
We have members on here from different teams and alot of them are cool and have some good imput on here. Alot of them have more common sense on here then some steeler fans have.

So very true. :drink:

s&b has been around this place for quite a while and is totally cool - we're happy to have him. :thumbsup:

AllD
03-07-2010, 07:47 AM
You know, if BB became a professional golfer that sport would become very interesting with Tiger and him.

zulater
03-07-2010, 08:12 AM
He probably just grabbed her titties. And if grabbin'' titties is sexual assault. Cuff me.

what are you 15 WH? :chuckle:

C'mon guy, once you get past high school you can't play that shit anymore. And hell, the way things are now, thank god I'm not of this generation because what was normal rights of passage, boy -girl interplay 30 years ago, probably gets you in a whole lot of trouble today.

I'm going under the premise that Ben if guilty of anything got a little extreme playing grab ass ( or tits). He's too old and in too important of a position to be doing simple minded bs like that.

Ron Cook has it right, Ben is guilty of using extremely poor judgement, and there's just too many instances of it to be dismissed out of hand. The Steelers need to read Ben the riot act and tell him no more slip ups no matter how minor will be tolerated in the future if he manages to extract himself from this situation without too much damage.

Regardless of how this current situation is resolved it's an embarrasment to the team, the league, and Steeler fans everywhere. This has got to be the last time, I don't care how good he is.

desertsteel
03-07-2010, 08:40 AM
At this point, I'm expecting Ben's career to be short-lived here in Pittsburgh. Twice with this #%^%*? Cmon. I'm starting to question his innosense. At the least he's proving to be a moron.

theplatypus
03-07-2010, 09:02 AM
According to the Atlanta news the GBI is waiting on lab results. I have no link since I can't link to something on my tv. For those that haven't seen it here is a link to the Milledgeville PD's press conference from Friday afternoon.

http://www.11alive.com/video/default.aspx?aid=116747&storyid=141456#/News/Roethlisberger+Sexual+Assault+News+Conference/49906865001/50317397001/70388701001

Set-Man
03-07-2010, 09:30 AM
Cook's article is spot on. Ben is a fool because this has already happened to him once. What happened to once bitten twice shy? By the accounts of the patrons he seemed pompous and a bit desperate. Come on , man you're killing me!!! The Steelers should be making news of free agency visits not another Ben off-season mishap.

Prok
03-07-2010, 09:55 AM
what are you 15 WH? :chuckle:

C'mon guy, once you get past high school you can't play that shit anymore. And hell, the way things are now, thank god I'm not of this generation because what was normal rights of passage, boy -girl interplay 30 years ago, probably gets you in a whole lot of trouble today.

I'm going under the premise that Ben if guilty of anything got a little extreme playing grab ass ( or tits). He's too old and in too important of a position to be doing simple minded bs like that.

Ron Cook has it right, Ben is guilty of using extremely poor judgement, and there's just too many instances of it to be dismissed out of hand. The Steelers need to read Ben the riot act and tell him no more slip ups no matter how minor will be tolerated in the future if he manages to extract himself from this situation without too much damage.

Regardless of how this current situation is resolved it's an embarrasment to the team, the league, and Steeler fans everywhere. This has got to be the last time, I don't care how good he is.

I can't really disagree with your assessment. and that really sucks donkey balls....

Figures our luck is we go damn near 30 freakin' years between franchise QB's and this kind of BS is what we get to endure...

Gawd help him if those test results come back and charges get put on him. He never should have been in this situation to begin with....

But still, we gotta let this thing play out...

vrabinec
03-07-2010, 12:29 PM
So I was reading the article on the Post Gazette page and the wife walked in. Here's the transcript:

Wife's hands go on hips. 'Reading about that creep?'

Cough. 'Uh, baby, the investigation is still going on. We don't know if he-'

Rolls the eyes. 'Oh, for the love of...AGAIN? Are you saying ANOTHER girl is making stuff up about him? Give me a break. Yeah, I'm sure girls all over the planet have a devious plan to set up your favorite player.'

'But, baby...'

'Oh stop defending him. And I'm not buying you any Steeler stuff for your birthday this year. Not as long as that PERVERT is on the team. And you can forget getting any tickets this year. We can't afford in this economy anyway.' Walks out and closes the door behind her.

Fred flips the bird at the closed door.

Thanks Ben. No, really, thanks, because this is just what I needed. I had her convinced that my life depends on getting those tickets to couple games we go to each year. Now I get to watch them all of TV, and I'm sure she'll make watching a game with Ben at QB oh so pleasant. Sigh.

Prok
03-07-2010, 01:07 PM
So I was reading the article on the Post Gazette page and the wife walked in. Here's the transcript:

Wife's hands go on hips. 'Reading about that creep?'

Cough. 'Uh, baby, the investigation is still going on. We don't know if he-'

Rolls the eyes. 'Oh, for the love of...AGAIN? Are you saying ANOTHER girl is making stuff up about him? Give me a break. Yeah, I'm sure girls all over the planet have a devious plan to set up your favorite player.'

'But, baby...'

'Oh stop defending him. And I'm not buying you any Steeler stuff for your birthday this year. Not as long as that PERVERT is on the team. And you can forget getting any tickets this year. We can't afford in this economy anyway.' Walks out and closes the door behind her.

Fred flips the bird at the closed door.

Thanks Ben. No, really, thanks, because this is just what I needed. I had her convinced that my life depends on getting those tickets to couple games we go to each year. Now I get to watch them all of TV, and I'm sure she'll make watching a game with Ben at QB oh so pleasant. Sigh.

You think you got it bad..... I have to deal with clowns fans at the work place AND personal life. Ya think i'm not tired of the "Rapist-berger" comments by now ??

And guess what... they ain't goin' away any time in my life time....

Not exactly peaches n cream here....

stillers4me
03-07-2010, 01:08 PM
Try living in Cinci. Ochocinco on DWS is looking more and more appealing.

steelbucks
03-07-2010, 01:13 PM
When is Ben going to learn that he is the "face" of this organization and with that comes responsibility and some personal sacrifice. Fair or unfair, he needs to learn he can't go out like many other people his age. What is a person of his stature and age for that matter doing in a college bar. Time to grow up!!

vrabinec
03-07-2010, 01:20 PM
You think you got it bad..... I have to deal with clowns fans at the work place AND personal life. Ya think i'm not tired of the "Rapist-berger" comments by now ??

And guess what... they ain't goin' away any time in my life time....

Not exactly peaches n cream here....

I live in Frederick, Md and work in Baltimore. Trust me, I feel your pain.

zulater
03-07-2010, 01:20 PM
You think you got it bad..... I have to deal with clowns fans at the work place AND personal life. Ya think i'm not tired of the "Rapist-berger" comments by now ??

And guess what... they ain't goin' away any time in my life time....

Not exactly peaches n cream here....

I'm smack dab in the middle between Philadelphia and Baltimore here in Fair Hill Md. So I'm getting it from both groups. :doh:

Prok
03-07-2010, 01:21 PM
Try living in Cinci. Ochocinco on DWS is looking more and more appealing.

By the time all is said and done i think Ben should sponsor a damn support group for all of us Steelers fans that are going to be mentally and verbally abused from here to eternity...

:wink02:

zulater
03-07-2010, 01:24 PM
Cook's article is spot on. Ben is a fool because this has already happened to him once. What happened to once bitten twice shy? By the accounts of the patrons he seemed pompous and a bit desperate. Come on , man you're killing me!!! The Steelers should be making news of free agency visits not another Ben off-season mishap.

Three words for Ben. High price hooker. :thumbsup:

theplatypus
03-07-2010, 01:27 PM
Three words for Ben. High price hooker. :thumbsup:

Show some respect the proper term is "escort".:sofunny:

Prok
03-07-2010, 01:29 PM
I'm learning so much from this experience. I think we Steelers fans HAVE to be the most passionate and attached fanbase of ANY NFL franchise.

Look at how greatly this situation is affecting us.... I'm having a moment where i'm damn proud to be amongst this fanbase but also damn hurt that something like this has affected us so greatly.

tony hipchest
03-07-2010, 01:38 PM
You think you got it bad..... I have to deal with clowns fans at the work place AND personal life. Ya think i'm not tired of the "Rapist-berger" comments by now ??

And guess what... they ain't goin' away any time in my life time....

Not exactly peaches n cream here....

Try living in Cinci. Ochocinco on DWS is looking more and more appealing.

I live in Frederick, Md and work in Baltimore. Trust me, I feel your pain.

I'm smack dab in the middle between Philadelphia and Baltimore here in Fair Hill Md. So I'm getting it from both groups. :doh:

i think this is the real issue steelerfans have with ben. its not really bens actions, but the fact that they get made fun of for it, and take some razzing from other teams fans.

dont let it get to you and especially dont let it get under your skin. i hear it all the time from cowboys fans, but romo was pu$$y whipped by jessica simpson and michael irvin was accused of sexual assault again, just about a month ago. :noidea:

mcdonalds has the "Hamburgular", is it too early to call big ben the "Furburgular"? :chuckle:

Vincent
03-07-2010, 01:51 PM
I freely confess that I didn't read all 697 pages of this thread, so if somebody brought it up already, apologies. That said...

So Miss Sugarbritches is only 20. What is a minor doing in said club in the 1st place, and why was she in a "position" for alleged violations at 2 in the morning?

From what little I've seen of the "grindage" that goes on in "clubs" these days, any 5 second snapshot of any "couple" on the dance floor should constitute lewd and lascivious conduct, and the poor young lad could be up on sexual assault charges.

It'll be interesting to see how this unfolds. I'll tell you one thing. Unless he did the deed, the charges are bull@#$%.

mcdonalds has the "Hamburglar", is it too early to call big ben the "Furburglar"? :chuckle:

:toofunny::sofunny::rofl::toofunny::sofunny::rofl:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/339655605_265c276bea.jpg

steeldawg
03-07-2010, 01:54 PM
It seems to me if this was say....Santonio Holmes most people would be calling him a thug and saying cut him but with BB most are willing to let the judicial process play out. Just saying....

Im so sick of these hypothetical situations......why dont you back this statement up and prove it.

tony hipchest
03-07-2010, 01:59 PM
Im so sick of these hypothetical situations......why dont you back this statement up and prove it.good point. michael irvin was brought up on these same accusations around the superbowl, and we didnt see dozens of steelerfans here piling on....

infact, not a peep. (and if anyone has proven to be willing to pile in coke irvin, its us steelerfans).

a bogus claim is a bogus claim, regardless of the color of skin of whom that claim is against.

"ben furburgerlar"... i like it, and officially coin the phrase. :thumbsup:

Prok
03-07-2010, 02:03 PM
good point. michael irvin was brought up on these same accusations around the superbowl, and we didnt see dozens of steelerfans here piling on....

infact, not a peep. (and if anyone has proven to be willing to pile in coke irvin, its us steelerfans).

a bogus claim is a bogus claim, regardless of the color of skin of whom that claim is against.

"ben furburgerlar"... i like it, and officially coin the phrase. :thumbsup:

If/when this all settles down and ben proves innocent i'll be able to laugh at that rather clever nickname.



:thumbsup:

Vincent
03-07-2010, 02:14 PM
http://s647.photobucket.com/albums/uu191/vinnyq/FURBURGLAR.jpg

How many of these do you think we could sell?

tony hipchest
03-07-2010, 02:25 PM
:rofl:

great work vincent!

i wonder if you can order those custom on nfl.com.

thats almost as funny as the "ron mexico" mike vick jerseys they outlawed a few years back.

ricksteelers55
03-07-2010, 02:34 PM
maybe he isnt guilty.maybe everything is a set-up AGAIN...but one thing's for sure If I first had a sexual assault case on me(civil but still a case) you can bet your butt I wouldnt be playing with other young girls like He did in that nightclub.

Be wise for god's sake

pete74
03-07-2010, 02:37 PM
maybe he isnt guilty.maybe everything is a set-up AGAIN...but one thing's for sure If I first had a sexual assault case on me(civil but still a case) you can bet your butt I wouldnt be playing with other young girls like He did in that nightclub.

Be wise for god's sake

exactly, horrible judgment

steeldawg
03-07-2010, 02:52 PM
First and foremost I don't want to say too much until we see what this girl's allegations are, and what if any evidence there is to support her charges.

But if there's one thing I feel comptelled to say it's that I can't automatically dismiss this situation as easily as I could McNulty's charges. Unlike McNulty this girl went to the hospital, and filed a complaint with the police immediatly afterwards.

Right now I'd have to say her credibility is less questionable than Ben's. I think it's outrageous at this point to insinuate she's some sort of gold digging s-lut.

Possible? Absolutley, but no less so than the possibility that Ben is a rather bad man in the way he deals with young ladies who refuse his advances.

Right now i feel as if the possibility of Ben being the Steelers qb for the upcoming season is no better than 50/50. It's not going to be a very good week-end for an objective Steelers fan I'm afraid.

when someone reports an assualt the police take you to the hospital

SteelerFanInStl
03-07-2010, 03:07 PM
when someone reports an assualt the police take you to the hospital

Exactly. It's standard procedure.

steeldawg
03-07-2010, 03:07 PM
The whole group of the girls are saying he did it. I bet they're all trying to get money.

BEN IS INNOCENT!!!

where was this reported??

zulater
03-07-2010, 03:28 PM
What if Ben is offered and cops a plea to a misdomenor sex offense where he's ordered to sensitivity training and to do community service, but no jail time? Obviouslty if such a plea were arranged similiar to Donte Stallworth's case Ben's lawyers would probably have to come some sort of financial settlement with his accuser that goes hand in hand with the plea.

Considering Ben has no prior arrests and I don't think a full fledged rape is going to be allaged here I think this is a distinct possibility.

So if my scenario comes true how do you think the league and the Steelers handle it from there?


One thing, if this does happen the nex step in the proccess for Ben's lawyer's should be to reach out to McNulty's lawyers and ask how big a check do they need to make their case dissapear?

While I still don't think McNulty's case passes the smell test I don't think Ben needs to be spending the majority of his summer in court having this case and whatever else her counsel can dig up dredged up for tabloid fodder.

Koby wrote a check to his accuser and in time he got his reputation back. In fact if anything I think this current situation all but compells Ben to settle out of court with McNulty if possible.

In other words, if he cops a plea he needs to turn the page on all this sort of crap asap. The team, the league, and the fansbase need quick resolution. It's as simple as that.

.

stillers4me
03-07-2010, 03:30 PM
Or maybe Ben counter sues both chicks. :coffee:

stillers4me
03-07-2010, 03:37 PM
You know, everybody's calling Ben the idiot. What about all the girls throwing themselves all over him. There's stories everywhere about he's such a pig around women. And he's already been accused of rape once. Now I'm not saying I personally believe everything I read and I do give him the benefit of the doubt, but if I were still a young women Ben's age, I don't think I'd be all over the man myself. Maybe , hello, can I have your autograph......but I certainly wouldn't be following him around to every bar in town.

(How stupid are the women dating OJ?)

I just hope someday he can get past this reputation and find himself a good woman to settle down with.

zulater
03-07-2010, 03:43 PM
Or maybe Ben counter sues both chicks. :coffee:

If he's completely innocent he should.

But I don't think he is.

That's not to say I think he's a rapist. I think he crossed a line that he shouldn't have in this case. Enough so that his career has been put in jeopardy, and he has to figure out what the best solution is. If he's convicted of a felony in a jury trial his career is over.

Anyway if he is guilty of convictable wrongdoing here, he needs to try to cop a plea to a lesser offense, and if he does that he has to resolve his matter with McNulty before it hits a court room.

zulater
03-07-2010, 03:49 PM
You know, everybody's calling Ben the idiot. What about all the girls throwing themselves all over him. There's stories everywhere about he's such a pig around women. And he's already been accused of rape once. Now I'm not saying I personally believe everything I read and I do give him the benefit of the doubt, but if I were still a young women Ben's age, I don't think I'd be all over the man myself. Maybe , hello, can I have your autograph......but I certainly wouldn't be following him around to every bar in town.

(How stupid are the women dating OJ?)

I just hope someday he can get past this reputation and find himself a good woman to settle down with.

Ben shouldn't be held to a higher standard of conduct than a college girl? You're the Steelers, you're paying this guy 102 million dollars, you make him the face of the franchise, and we're saying his personal conduct isn't a thing of his own making? :doh:

OneForTheToe
03-07-2010, 03:50 PM
Exactly. It's standard procedure.

It can actually work in the defendants favor if the physical evidence, or lack thereof, doesn't match with the story of the alleged victim. Of course, if the defendant tells a misleading story (like, I did not have sexual relations with that women - cue finger wave -and it turns out he did), it can be devastating to the defense, even if the defendant is actually innocent of a crime.

tony hipchest
03-07-2010, 03:50 PM
I just hope someday he can get past this reputation and find himself a good woman to settle down with.i agree. thats where he is "damned if you, danmed if you dont".

everybody says tiger was dumb and shoulda just remained single if he wanted to play the field.

people like dale earnhardt jr. derick jeter, ben roethlisberger know they arent ready to settle down and commit, while they are on the road all the time.

that doesnt mean they put their penis in a safety deposit box until they retire and are ready to settle down to family life.

who says being a pro athelete includes taking a vow of celebacy? he is an athelete, not a priest.

pete74
03-07-2010, 04:00 PM
i agree. thats where he is "damned if you, danmed if you dont".

everybody says tiger was dumb and shoulda just remained single if he wanted to play the field.

people like dale earnhardt jr. derick jeter, ben roethlisberger know they arent ready to settle down and commit, while they are on the road all the time.

that doesnt mean they put their penis in a safety deposit box until they retire and are ready to settle down to family life.

who says being a pro athelete includes taking a vow of celebacy? he is an athelete, not a priest.

true but when your an athlete representing a team your held to higher standards. its the same way in the military, your a marine 24/7 and should conduct yourself in a respectable manner no matter were you are. he is going to bars every week looking for these bar tramps so of course he is going to get into trouble. he shouldnt be doing that when your the face of the most respected franchise in national football. everyone knows your life changes when your a popular athlete or actor/actress and your held to different standards. this is the 2nd time this happened. you never hear about anything similar happening to tom brady, drew brees, peyton manning, or the great JaMarcus Russell(lol, sorry had to throw that one in) and it sure as heck shouldnt be happening with ben. he needs to learn how someone in his place is supposed to act and conduct themselves. maybe he is innocent and both charges were false but either case he is the one putting himself into these situations

stillers4me
03-07-2010, 04:03 PM
i agree. thats where he is "damned if you, danmed if you dont".

everybody says tiger was dumb and shoulda just remained single if he wanted to play the field.

people like dale earnhardt jr. derick jeter, ben roethlisberger know they arent ready to settle down and commit, while they are on the road all the time.

that doesnt mean they put their penis in a safety deposit box until they retire and are ready to settle down to family life.

who says being a pro athelete includes taking a vow of celebacy? he is an athelete, not a priest.

He just needs to have them sign a waiver first.
"And oh, BTW, my lawyer will be present to observe the act." :wink02:

Burghfan58
03-07-2010, 04:03 PM
You know, everybody's calling Ben the idiot. What about all the girls throwing themselves all over him. There's stories everywhere about he's such a pig around women. And he's already been accused of rape once. Now I'm not saying I personally believe everything I read and I do give him the benefit of the doubt, but if I were still a young women Ben's age, I don't think I'd be all over the man myself. Maybe , hello, can I have your autograph......but I certainly wouldn't be following him around to every bar in town.

(How stupid are the women dating OJ?)

I just hope someday he can get past this reputation and find himself a good woman to settle down with.

It didn't work for Tiger I'm not sure it would work for Ben. He's rich and famous and some women are gonna flock to him as long as he is. He has to use better judgement as to the establishments he's frequenting. I think this incident (true or not )has scarred him for years to come.

Texasteel
03-07-2010, 04:35 PM
true but when your an athlete representing a team your held to higher standards. its the same way in the military, your a marine 24/7 and should conduct yourself in a respectable manner no matter were you are. he is going to bars every week looking for these bar tramps so of course he is going to get into trouble. he shouldnt be doing that when your the face of the most respected franchise in national football. everyone knows your life changes when your a popular athlete or actor/actress and your held to different standards. this is the 2nd time this happened. you never hear about anything similar happening to tom brady, drew brees, peyton manning, or the great JaMarcus Russell(lol, sorry had to throw that one in) and it sure as heck shouldnt be happening with ben. he needs to learn how someone in his place is supposed to act and conduct themselves. maybe he is innocent and both charges were false but either case he is the one putting himself into these situations

The military must have changed since I was in it. I can remember being in several bars Ben probably wouldn't set foot in.

pete74
03-07-2010, 06:52 PM
The military must have changed since I was in it. I can remember being in several bars Ben probably wouldn't set foot in.

the point is you always act a certain way and are responsible for your actions even when your not working because your representing something. as for the bars, there the same(with the exception for bars on base) that ben goes to if you were stationed on any major base.

Psyychoward86
03-07-2010, 06:57 PM
that doesnt mean they put their penis in a safety deposit box until they retire and are ready to settle down to family life.


:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

AlleghanyAdams87
03-07-2010, 06:59 PM
It was said in the police presses that this was not a "rape" but a possible assault/coercion...In an unbiased view and seeing how vaguely and poorly the police report was filled out, especially after talking to Roethlisberger for over an hour, this would be a tough one to prove in the court of law. Usually, you don't let a suspected rapist go free after a short period of questioning. If rape was the case, he would have already been in hand cuffs, and not able to travel freely as he felt.

stillers4me
03-07-2010, 07:04 PM
It was said in the police presses that this was not a "rape" but a possible assault/coercion...In an unbiased view and seeing how vaguely and poorly the police report was filled out, especially after talking to Roethlisberger for over an hour, this would be a tough one to prove in the court of law. Usually, you don't let a suspected rapist go free after a short period of questioning. If rape was the case, he would have already been in hand cuffs, and not able to travel freely as he felt.

I hope you're right.

And Ben, please grow the eff up.

TackleMeBen
03-07-2010, 07:50 PM
:rofl:

I wonder if the police let her use a computer before talking to her so she could look up his info.
she probably looked up all his stats on her cell before running into a cop..

Little Ben seems to be doing most of Big Ben's thinking right now.
if little ben isnt careful, little ben may cause big ben to end up with something he cant get rid of.

I read an article after the Mcnulty accusations about a basketball players efforts to stay out of these types of situations. This guy wouldn't answer his hotel room door if it was a woman delivering room service to him. He would have them leave his food in the hall.
you are referring to grant hill.

The only things Ben is guilty of at this point are:

(1) Not the best judgment in the world; and

(2) Thinking with Willie the one-eyed wonder worm instead of the two-eyed head up north. :banging:
omg, that is the best post..lol
it's ironic really.. we used to have a QB that supposedly didn't like girls.. now we have a QB who can't keep his hands (and other area) off them. why can't we just have some middle ground?
maybe he needs to go back to not liking girls....lol


people like dale earnhardt jr. derick jeter, ben roethlisberger know they arent ready to settle down and commit, while they are on the road all the time.

that doesnt mean they put their penis in a safety deposit box until they retire and are ready to settle down to family life.

who says being a pro athelete includes taking a vow of celebacy? he is an athelete, not a priest.

rumor has it that jr is dating a married woman.

tony, i want to see a man put their penis in a safety deposit box.. that would be too funny...lol

devilsdancefloor
03-07-2010, 08:40 PM
All i gotta says is DAMIIT doesnt one of the Olineman wives have a girl for ben? i know every time one of my friends ends up single again all the other wives in the group always find him a perfect girl to go out with... there are so many IFs in both of these cases against ben to make ya puke. Im not gonna have aknee jerk reaction and call for his head or for us to draft a QB:doh:. i want to see the facts come out and see what is what before i decide anything. i am sure that is the approach the FO is taking as well. i do want to give him adult shaken syndrome if that is possible while yelling at him. but i am sure it is a long line.

TackleMeBen
03-07-2010, 08:46 PM
All i gotta says is DAMIIT doesnt one of the Olineman wives have a girl for ben?
whatever happen to that actress chick he was dating when he signed that big contract???

tony hipchest
03-07-2010, 11:00 PM
tony, i want to see a man put their penis in a safety deposit box.. that would be too funny...lol well i cant show you per se, but i put mine in one once (or twice or so) , and 9 months later became a daddy. :storkg:

Shea
03-07-2010, 11:35 PM
well i cant show you per se, but i put mine in one once (or twice or so) , and 9 months later became a daddy. :storkg:

Awww, there's a few different hidden angles of cute in that post.

Me thinks that a little girl somewhere in Tony land, benefited and now has her daddy wrapped around her little finger.

tony hipchest
03-07-2010, 11:50 PM
Awww, there's a few different hidden angles of cute in that post.

Me thinks that a little girl somewhere in Tony land, benefited and now has her daddy wrapped around her little finger.:thumbsup: you betcha...

and if i could get that key to the safety deposit box, i would be more than willing to flood this world with little angels.

:sofunny: i kill me.

devilsdancefloor
03-08-2010, 12:05 AM
:thumbsup: you betcha...

and if i could get that key to the safety deposit box, i would be more than willing to flood this world with little angels.

:sofunny: i kill me.

isnt that angels to some demons to others? :wink02:

Shea
03-08-2010, 12:05 AM
:thumbsup: you betcha...

and if i could get that key to the safety deposit box, i would be more than willing to flood this world with little angels.

:sofunny: i kill me.

:sofunny:

Down boy, DOWN! :bash:

Keep that key out of reach. Something tells me you are doing just fine with your own little angel in your own little part of our world. :thumbsup:

SteelersMongol
03-08-2010, 04:05 AM
TMZ pucking sucks. They show it here on HBO pretty much every night. I don't watch it.

I don't about you guys but 2 me the guys that work 4 TMZ all look like friggin a-holes & the gals R just bunch of unattractive pieces that were gathered from all over America.

WH
03-08-2010, 05:21 AM
Why doesn't Ben stop going all over the country looking for women? Seriously. All the man needs to do is go to Town Tavern on the South Side of Pittsburgh and he's guaranteed 10-15 women that would sleep with him, no charges pressed.

Galax Steeler
03-08-2010, 05:22 AM
Why doesn't Ben stop going all over the country looking for women? Seriously. All the man needs to do is go to Town Tavern on the South Side of Pittsburgh and he's guaranteed 10-15 women that would sleep with him, no charges pressed.

That is probably what he thought when he went to Georgia.:chuckle:

WH
03-08-2010, 05:42 AM
That is probably what he thought when he went to Georgia.:chuckle:

good one! :sofunny::sofunny::sofunny::chuckle:

zulater
03-08-2010, 06:31 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10067/1041098-455.stm


MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- Since purchasing his summer vacation home at Reynolds Plantation, an upscale community near Greensboro, Ga., Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has cultivated a reputation similar to the one he has in Ohio and Pittsburgh, the two other places where he has lived.

Those who encounter him say he is friendly, but not necessarily outgoing. He is generous with his time and money, posing for photographs and donating to charity.

But some people grumble that he can be curt if he doesn't want to be bothered and there are members of the service industry who share stories of his walking out on checks or losing his temper over poor service.

He also has the reputation of a single young man who enjoys a night on the town and the company of women. It is a side of him that came under scrutiny last summer, when a Nevada woman accused him of sexually assaulting her during a charity golf event in Lake Tahoe in 2008. Mr. Roethlisberger has denied the charge, which he and his attorneys are fighting in court.

Trouble has followed Mr. Roethlisberger to Georgia, where a 20-year-old student at Georgia College & State University in Milledgeville Friday told police that he had sexually assaulted her at a nightclub.

No charges have been filed in the incident, and Mr. Roethlisberger, 28, is cooperating with police, according to his agent. The Milledgeville Police Department and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation are looking into the matter and have indicated that if there are any developments, they will have a news conference to discuss them.

Steelers spokesman Burt Lauten and President Art Rooney II have declined to comment.

Mr. Roethlisberger's presence in the tiny college town of Milledgeville, where he arrived Thursday night with friends to do some bar-hopping, created an immediate stir as students who spotted him began texting each other and following him.

Jacob Vargas, 21, a junior at GCSU, was at a bar across the street when he heard the buzz. Coincidentally carrying a digital camera that he had recently purchased, Mr. Vargas went across the street to The Velvet Elvis to see if he could get a picture taken with the NFL star.

It is that image of Mr. Roethlisberger, wearing a T-shirt depicting the face of a devil, that has become an Internet icon of the incident.

"He was sitting near the bar and I told him, 'I know you get asked this all the time, but would you mind taking a picture with me and my buddies?' And he said, 'Yeah, I'll do it,' " Mr. Vargas said Sunday. "He was cordial about it, but I could tell it probably bothered him a little bit."

Daniel Pickett, 23, a junior at GCSU, is a manager at Mellow Mushroom, a pizza parlor in Eatonton, near Mr. Roethlisberger's vacation home. He, too, heard about the quarterback's trip.

"A buddy of mine was there in Milledgeville that night," he said. "He walked up to him and said, 'I just turned 21.' And Ben Roethlisberger bought him a beer."

Mr. Pickett said he is aware of Mr. Roethlisberger's reputation of occasional rudeness, but he has seen no evidence of it.

"Anywhere he goes, he's under the spotlight 24/7," he said. "We all get angry sometimes when service isn't what we expect. When he does it, it's possible that people blow it out of proportion."

In choosing to buy a vacation home in Reynolds Plantation, Mr. Roethlisberger found a place where he could control his environment and enjoy an element of privacy. A gated community of 19,000 acres on man-made Lake Oconee, it has taken shape since 1987, when cousins Jamie and Mercer Reynolds carved it out of towering pines growing from the sand and Georgia's famous rich red clay.

There are 2,200 homes in Reynolds Plantation, ranging in price from $500,000 to $10 million. Sixty percent of the properties are owned and occupied by year-round residents. The rest are weekend getaways or vacation homes owned by people from all corners of the world.

There are all the amenities one would expect, including pools, tennis courts, hiking trails, marinas, restaurants and six championship golf courses.

Mr. Roethlisberger, who purchased his property after Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians told him about it a few years ago, lives in a subdivision called Great Waters, where his home overlooks the lake. The nearby golf course, which he is known to frequent, was designed by Jack Nicklaus and played host to the 2008 PGA Professional National Championship.

Lorraine Webb, 55, of Eatonton, and her husband own a marina on Lake Oconee. She has encountered Mr. Roethlisberger when he has stopped to buy gas for his boat.

"He's always been nice to everyone," she said. "When we see him, he's quiet and he wears his baseball cap down low like he doesn't want to be recognized. But I know people who have socialized with him on the water, and they say he's nice and he's a lot of fun."

"This is a pretty new area, and a lot of people come down here for the summer," said Eddie Webb, who is not related to Ms. Webb. "We see license plates from all over, especially up north. And you can tell by the cars that the people are really well-off. This is a resort, a place to get away, so you see a lot of celebrities."

Mr. Webb, 22, a student at Georgia Military College in Milledgeville, works at the Publix supermarket in Eatonton. He said Mr. Roethlisberger once stopped in for groceries and wound up signing autographs for almost 30 minutes.

Thursday night, Mr. Webb was in Milledgeville and met Mr. Roethlisberger in The Brick, where the quarterback shook his hand.

"He wasn't really outgoing, but he was a cool guy," Mr. Webb said. "When everybody heard that he was down there, they got all excited, because nobody ever goes down to Milledgeville to party. And here's a two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback in town. That's cool!"

Mr. Pickett said he has heard stories -- pro and con -- about the pro quarterback, but he intends to withhold passing judgment.

"I'd like to think he's a nice guy, and I give people the benefit of the doubt," he said. "Personally, I'm not going to form an opinion about the man until I actually see him and how he treats people."

Dan Majors: dmajors@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1456.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10067/1041098-455.stm#ixzz0haOf3xCR

pete74
03-08-2010, 06:43 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10067/1041098-455.stm

its funny how they try to portray him as a bad person for getting angry or leaving a resturant because the service is bad. any normal person with guts would do that. i walked out of a resturant a few weeks ago because the service sucked. nobody should stay somewere if they dont like how there being treated and he is not the exception

mesaSteeler
03-08-2010, 06:48 AM
Fellow students rallying around Roethlisberger accuser
Buzz up!
By Carl Prine, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, March 8, 2010
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_670560.html

Carl Prine is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review staff writer and can be reached at 412-320-7826 or via e-mail.

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — In a quaint town best known for its insane asylum and twin college campuses, Milledgeville residents are huddling around the 20-year-old Zeta Tau Alpha sorority sister who has accused Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexually assaulting her in the dingy corner of a popular bar last week.

TV camera crews continue to camp outside the Capital City bar — even when it was closed Sunday — turning a town devoid of celebrities and scandal into the epicenter of the sports world. ESPN vans gobbled up a large chunk of Wayne Street parking.

"At first, you saw ESPN there and you thought, 'Well, this is a big deal.' But when you know the girl and you know that she would never bring this on herself, that she doesn't want publicity, then you feel sorry for her," said Dan Kaufman, 23, a senior at Georgia College & State University, where they both attend school.

"The fact of the matter is that she doesn't want this type of attention," agreed Jennifer Noice, 21, a former sister of her sorority. "People shouldn't judge her if they don't know her."

They echoed the sentiments of several other students who told the Trib they were close friends of the woman, whom authorities have not identified.

Employees of the nightclub where Roethlisberger, 28, allegedly sexually assaulted the young woman between 11 p.m. Thursday and 2:30 a.m. Friday said outsiders shouldn't indict the popular watering hole.

Saturday night's manager, Will Britt, 35, a city councilman in nearby Statesboro, took the Trib on a tour of the teeming tavern. A thin black curtain demarcates the VIP room where Roethlisberger spent nearly two hours with an entourage of large men, but it's easy to peek inside the room from numerous angles through a window near the bustling bar.

Because Thursday is the busiest night of the week, as many as eight bouncers patrolled the dance floor and the black velvet rope barricade downstairs.

In Georgia, 18-year-olds can mix in the clubs with drinkers, but liquor laws forbid bartenders from serving any patrons without a bright bracelet indicating they're older than 21. The second-floor VIP room serves as a stage area when big acts come to the bar, but it was sectioned off Thursday.

"They say it happened in the staff bathroom here," said Britt, pointing to a door in a dark, drafty aisle near the VIP section. "But that door is always locked, and people can see into the VIP room easily."

The restroom is near a storage room holding janitorial supplies, a grocery cart, spent boxes of booze waiting to be crushed and a disassembled mechanical bull, its tan and milky hide slumped on the floor as bass notes blared from a crowded dance floor.

Its dim corners can't be seen from the bar. Security cameras dot the club, but none appeared to be trained on the dark back room because no one but workers ever went back there, Britt said.

Milledgeville police and agents of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation searched the room shortly after the woman told an officer on downtown foot patrol that Roethlisberger assaulted her. According to detectives, at their request she received care in the Oconee Regional Medical Center.

National Football League spokesman Greg Aiello said the commissioner's office and NFL security "are not commenting on an ongoing police investigation."

Roethlisberger, who spends part of his offseason at his mansion on Oconee Lake about 30 miles north of Milledgeville, hasn't been charged with any crime. His agent, Ryan Tollner, did not return telephone calls seeking comment yesterday.

"When it's cold at night, there isn't much going on around the lake," Britt said. "That's when they come down to Milledgeville."

According to dozens of witnesses interviewed by the Trib, Roethlisberger's pub crawl began about 10 p.m. Thursday at The Velvet Elvis and migrated with his entourage and follow-on fans to at least three other bars before alighting at Capital City about midnight. When he wasn't in the tavern's VIP room, he signed autographs, mugged for photos and affably talked with the crowds, witnesses said.

"We thought the guys with him were offensive tackles or guards in the NFL," said Joseph Gaglia, 18, a student at Georgia Military College. "They weren't causing any trouble that I saw."

A police news conference is slated for today in Milledgeville, about 80 miles southeast of Atlanta. With five police forces — Georgia College & State has one, along with Georgia Military College and Baldwin County — Milledgeville boasts a constant law enforcement presence and a minuscule crime rate.

The accuser attends Georgia College & State University, known as GSCU, which reported two rape investigations in 2006 and two more in 2008, according to public filings detailing campus crimes. The mandatory 2009 report to the U.S. Department of Education hasn't been posted yet.

A five-minute walk across campus would take a female student past four emergency stations complete with sirens, blue flashing lights and a red panic button. The alleged sexual assault, however, took place two blocks from GCSU's border.

"This incident happened off campus," GCSU spokeswoman Judy Bailey said. "But we're concerned about any safety issue. Hopefully, this will turn out to be an isolated incident.

"We have a very safe campus. We're well known for that safety record. Parents trust that this is a very safe place to send their children to school, and we take that trust very seriously."

Bailey said that GCSU's police department has pledged to assist Milledgeville and GBI detectives. Her campus offers health counseling to students 24 hours every day.

The crime the town is probably best known for is the twin 1974 slayings of two hitchhikers by spree killer John Paul Knowles, the "Casanova Killer" who reportedly killed 33 other people, including a state trooper.

In recent years, however, the shuttering of several carpet mills, the decline of the local prison industry and the shrinking rolls of the 168-year-old Central State Hospital for mental health patients have dominated headlines.

Milledgeville is a gorgeous antebellum town spared destruction by the Union army during the Civil War. The town erected a plaque to honor native son Oliver Hardy of the Laurel and Hardy comedy duo. Early 20th century residents knew him by his nickname, "Fatty."

Deceased Congressman Carl Vinson came from Milledgeville, and a Navy aircraft carrier bears his name today. Memory Hill Cemetery is the final resting place for novelist Flannery O'Connor. Former Steelers fullback J.T. Wall coaches a local high school team.

Townsfolk are quick to mention that Julia Roberts' character in the 1990 movie "Pretty Woman" says she arrived in California from Milledgeville.

Retired teacher and prison official Carl Maak, 59, said the city has remained out of the media spotlight since he arrived in 1971 from Rutherford, N.J., as a GSCU student.

"When I first arrived, I thought Milledgeville was at the end of the world. Now I don't say that," he said. "It's not at the end of the world, but you can see it from here."

zulater
03-08-2010, 07:09 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10067/1041098-455.stm

Mr. Roethlisberger, who purchased his property after Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians told him about it a few years ago, lives in a subdivision called Great Waters, where his home overlooks the lake. The nearby golf course, which he is known to frequent, was designed by Jack Nicklaus and played host to the 2008 PGA Professional National Championship

We should have known, it's Arians fault!


:flap:

HometownGal
03-08-2010, 07:53 AM
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10067/1041098-455.stm

Mr. Roethlisberger, who purchased his property after Steelers offensive coordinator Bruce Arians told him about it a few years ago, lives in a subdivision called Great Waters, where his home overlooks the lake. The nearby golf course, which he is known to frequent, was designed by Jack Nicklaus and played host to the 2008 PGA Professional National Championship

We should have known, it's Arians fault!


:flap:

Beat me to it. :chuckle: :wink:

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 08:26 AM
well i cant show you per se, but i put mine in one once (or twice or so) , and 9 months later became a daddy. :storkg:
tony, you kill me.. and that wasnt the kind of deposit box i was talking about..lol :chuckle:

HometownGal
03-08-2010, 08:46 AM
Can we puhlllllllease stay on topic??? :banging:

Steelers>NFL
03-08-2010, 09:10 AM
Roethlisberger hires lawyer who defended Ray Lewis
Posted by Mike Florio on March 8, 2010 7:28 AM ET
More than a decade ago, Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis was accused of murder in Georgia. He hired Ed Garland to handle the case. Eventually, the worst of the charges against Lewis were dropped, and he pleaded guilty to obstruction of justice.

Now, Garland will be asked to help another high-profile NFL player.

Per a league source, Garland has been hired to represent the interests of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in the sexual assault investigation that is still unfolding in Milledgeville, Georgia. Roethlisberger has not yet been charged.

Roethlisberger was interviewed at the scene by authorities, and he was then told that he was free to leave. He returned to Pittsburgh on Friday. Authorities have said that he could be interviewed again.

Even though no charges have been filed, there surely has been plenty of work to do for Garland and other lawyers who represent Roethlisberger. They have interviewed all of the key witnesses, and they most likely have been in close communication with authorities.

Their initial goal will be to persuade investigators that charges should not be filed. In matters of this nature, that's the best possible outcome that can be achieved.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/08/roethlisberger-hires-lawyer-who-defended-ray-lewis/

Ben needs to GROW UP!!!

vrabinec
03-08-2010, 10:21 AM
He returned to Pittsburgh on Friday.

...bet Tomlin's been whipping his ass ever since the plane touched down in Pittsburgh.

I'm depressed. For the first time I can remember, I don't feel like talking about football.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 10:24 AM
]...bet Tomlin's been whipping his ass ever since the plane touched down in Pittsburgh.[/B]

I'm depressed. For the first time I can remember, I don't feel like talking about football.
i am thinking the same thing...

anyone think ben maybe selling his house in GA?

WH
03-08-2010, 10:40 AM
TackleMeBen, you don't happen to be a 20 year old college student by any chance? IM JOKING!!!

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 10:43 AM
TackleMeBen, you don't happen to be a 20 year old college student by any chance? IM JOKING!!!
no, and thank god i went to college in GA before he started his career..lol.and i am about 10+ yrs over 20.

no matter how nuts we think the hoochie in NV is, this just gave her accusations creditabilitly

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 10:49 AM
Listening to interviews with the local students that know the girl it sounds like she's a pretty nice normal kid.

Problem is no one is actually saying what Ben has been accused of doing. Sexual assault can mean many things. Did he just go into the bathroom, lock the door and pull out his junk hoping to get some....then got shot down? Or did he actually force him self on her? Exposing your self or grabbing a butt can in some cases be called sexual assault. But so can forcibly raping someone. I wish they would make the police report public already. If it were me or you the allegations would have been printed in the paper by now.

If he actually did assault this girl he needs to go to prison. I am so sick of wealthy athletes getting away with crimes that the average citizen would be punished severely for. I hope this is nothing, but an over sensitive young girl who got scared. From the sounds of it though I think it's more then that. Ben is a friggen idiot ....charges or no charges he's a moron. 2 sexual assaults and nearly ending your career on a motorcycle all in just a few years time. Not to mention the constant whispers of him being a total douche bag and not being liked by his teammates. I hate to say this but if I'm the team owner I starting thinking about a plan B.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-08-2010, 10:54 AM
Listening to interviews with the local students that know the girl it sounds like she's a pretty nice normal kid.

Problem is no one is actually saying what Ben has been accused of doing. Sexual assault can mean many things. Did he just go into the bathroom, lock the door and pull out his junk hoping to get some....then got shot down? Or did he actually force him self on her? Exposing your self or grabbing a butt can in some cases be called sexual assault. But so can forcibly raping someone. I wish they would make the police report public already. If it were me or you the allegations would have been printed in the paper by now.

If he actually did assault this girl he needs to go to prison. I am so sick of wealthy athletes getting away with crimes that the average citizen would be punished severely for. I hope this is nothing, but an over sensitive young girl who got scared. From the sounds of it though I think it's more then that. Ben is a friggen idiot ....charges or no charges he's a moron. 2 sexual assaults and nearly ending your career on a motorcycle all in just a few years time. Not to mention the constant whispers of him being a total douche bag and not being liked by his teammates. I hate to say this but if I'm the team owner I starting thinking about a plan B.

The fact that she went to the hospital and "evidence" was taken would suggest sexual contact.

Thats the cold hard truth.

Prok
03-08-2010, 11:01 AM
The fact that she went to the hospital and "evidence" was taken would suggest sexual contact.

Thats the cold hard truth.

This.

As much as I HATE to admit it. It's pretty obvious something happened. Gawd I hope Ben is not guilty!!

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-08-2010, 11:08 AM
...bet Tomlin's been whipping his ass ever since the plane touched down in Pittsburgh.

I'm depressed. For the first time I can remember, I don't feel like talking about football.

If I am Ben's dad, I am driving from Findlay to the Burg and whoopin' his ass. My kid is only in the 2nd grade, but as a father I would be pissed off that:

A. My kid put himself in that position again since the Nevada case
B. Reports of a girl going to hospital as a result are something I dont condone.

My kid isnt likely to be 6'5", 240lbs, but it just means I'd be trading the hickory switch for a 3-wood. I hope its not true, but it doesnt sound good at all.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 11:12 AM
The fact that she went to the hospital and "evidence" was taken would suggest sexual contact.

Thats the cold hard truth.


Well not necessarily. Maybe she had some bruises they wanted documented?

Maybe Ben had mixed signals....went into the bathroom with her...put her up against a wall and was ready to do what so many of us have done w/ chicks in a bathroom. She then said NO stop...and that was the end of it. In which case nothing actually happened, but she felt man handled...and possibly bruised? yea I know that's a reach, but until we hear what the actual allegations are....we can't make assumptions.

I would agree it does not look good at all for Ben. If he is guilty I hope he is punished to the fullest extent of the law. Rape / sexual assault in this country is treated way too lightly in the courts. You can get a tougher penalty for stealing or dealing drugs then you can for rape. That IMO is way F-ed up. If that was your daughter you would want Ben's head on a platter.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 11:18 AM
If that was your daughter you would want Ben's head on a platter.
if it was my daughter there would be nothing left of ben for the cops to haul off to jail.

If I am Ben's dad, I am driving from Findlay to the Burg and whoopin' his ass. My kid is only in the 2nd grade, but as a father I would be pissed off that:

A. My kid put himself in that position again since the Nevada case
B. Reports of a girl going to hospital as a result are something I dont condone.

My kid isnt likely to be 6'5", 240lbs, but it just means I'd be trading the hickory switch for a 3-wood. I hope its not true, but it doesnt sound good at all.

if i not mistaking his dad lives in pitt with him... so he wouldnt have to drive far.. and you know the old saying, i brought you into this world and i can take you out of this world.

can you imagine the crap his poor sister is probably having to put up with at school now.

supa_fly_steeler
03-08-2010, 11:23 AM
Cops: Big Ben Accuser Was 'Hysterical'
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/08/ben-roethlisberger-sexual-assault-accuser-hysterical-cops/#ixzz0hawz0ysl

The Gold Diggin ***** accusing Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault was "hysterical" when she spoke with cops ... this according to a source at the Milledgeville Police Department.

We're told Ben's accuser arrived at the P.D. with three other women. According to a source at the police department, Ben's accuser was extremely emotional and looked like she had been crying for hours.

Ben's agent, Ryan Tollner, said on Friday, "we are skeptical of motive." Our source begged to differ, saying Ben's accuser did not look like a girl who was making it up.

Roethlisberger has not been charged.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/08/ben-roethlisberger-sexual-assault-accuser-hysterical-cops/#ixzz0hbRavEDh

Steel_Bus_24
03-08-2010, 11:26 AM
innocent or guilty Im so tired of this crap already.........:banging:

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 11:32 AM
I wish they would make the police report public already. If it were me or you the allegations would have been printed in the paper by now. .




Post-Gazette posted this over the weekend.. Nothing much because they blacked out most of the info.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/pdf/201003/milledgeville_police_report.pdf

vrabinec
03-08-2010, 11:35 AM
Cops: Big Ben Accuser Was 'Hysterical'
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/08/ben-roethlisberger-sexual-assault-accuser-hysterical-cops/#ixzz0hawz0ysl

The Gold Diggin ***** accusing Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault was "hysterical" when she spoke with cops ... this according to a source at the Milledgeville Police Department.

We're told Ben's accuser arrived at the P.D. with three other women. According to a source at the police department, Ben's accuser was extremely emotional and looked like she had been crying for hours.

Ben's agent, Ryan Tollner, said on Friday, "we are skeptical of motive." Our source begged to differ, saying Ben's accuser did not look like a girl who was making it up.

Roethlisberger has not been charged.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/08/ben-roethlisberger-sexual-assault-accuser-hysterical-cops/#ixzz0hbRavEDh

Dennis Dixon better be putting in double time over at the complex, studying film and working out. Just in the last few hours, I got this "Oh well" feeling, and I've accpted the fact that we may have a new QB to start the season. I okay with that, if that's the case. Let's go DD, let's see whacha got.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 11:44 AM
Dennis Dixon better be putting in double time over at the complex, studying film and working out. Just in the last few hours, I got this "Oh well" feeling, and I've accpted the fact that we may have a new QB to start the season. I okay with that, if that's the case. Let's go DD, let's see whacha got.
i am starting to feel the same way. :mad:

zulater
03-08-2010, 12:09 PM
Listening to interviews with the local students that know the girl it sounds like she's a pretty nice normal kid.

Problem is no one is actually saying what Ben has been accused of doing. Sexual assault can mean many things. Did he just go into the bathroom, lock the door and pull out his junk hoping to get some....then got shot down? Or did he actually force him self on her? Exposing your self or grabbing a butt can in some cases be called sexual assault. But so can forcibly raping someone. I wish they would make the police report public already. If it were me or you the allegations would have been printed in the paper by now.

If he actually did assault this girl he needs to go to prison. I am so sick of wealthy athletes getting away with crimes that the average citizen would be punished severely for. I hope this is nothing, but an over sensitive young girl who got scared. From the sounds of it though I think it's more then that. Ben is a friggen idiot ....charges or no charges he's a moron. 2 sexual assaults and nearly ending your career on a motorcycle all in just a few years time. Not to mention the constant whispers of him being a total douche bag and not being liked by his teammates. I hate to say this but if I'm the team owner I starting thinking about a plan B.

I'm pretty much of the same thinking as you.

I'm very disturbed with the people on this board who impugn the character of this young lady. I'm nearly convinced Ben crossed the line of common decency at the very least. Whether his actions warrant criminal charges, until we see specifically what the young ladies allegations are all we can do is hope for the best.


And again there are degrees of criminal conduct. So I'm hoping that if Ben did cross the line, he at least kept his actions under the line of felony sexual assualt. If he's guilty of that or even brought to trial for it, I'm afraid his days in Pittsburgh are history.

I hate to say it, but my feeling is the best we can hope for is that with no priors he'll be offered a chance to plea down to a lesser offense. Going along these lines I think it may be possible for him to escape a jail term if he agrees to some sort of financial restitution to his victim, takes court mandated sensitivity training, do some community service etc...

If this were to be the case you can bet he'll be suspended by the league anywhere from 4 games to the entire 2010 season.

If I were him I'd also find out how big of check it will take for McNulty's case to go away? Maybe a million dollars over ten years with no admission of guilt, and McNutty has to agree to a gag order or all future payments cease.

That's not to say I believe McNulty, I still think her case is seriously flawed to the point it's all but unwinnable for her. Now on the surfact that sounds crazy, but what it comes down to is Ben needs to get all these court actions behind him asap if he's going to be a vialbe player in the NFL anytime in the near future. While McNutty might not have a winning hand she sure as hell can drag Ben through the mud for the duration of a trial.

Koby wrote the check, you think he's second guessing himself these days for it? I don't.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 12:19 PM
Cops: Big Ben Accuser Was 'Hysterical'
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/08/ben-roethlisberger-sexual-assault-accuser-hysterical-cops/#ixzz0hawz0ysl

The Gold Diggin ***** accusing Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault was "hysterical" when she spoke with cops ... this according to a source at the Milledgeville Police Department.

We're told Ben's accuser arrived at the P.D. with three other women. According to a source at the police department, Ben's accuser was extremely emotional and looked like she had been crying for hours.

Ben's agent, Ryan Tollner, said on Friday, "we are skeptical of motive." Our source begged to differ, saying Ben's accuser did not look like a girl who was making it up.

Roethlisberger has not been charged.

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/08/ben-roethlisberger-sexual-assault-accuser-hysterical-cops/#ixzz0hbRavEDh


wow, you are a sick SOB. Shes guilty of being a gold digger? Call me crazy but she looks more like a victim then a gold digger. Until the facts are presented I don't think you can convict anyone just yet.

Steel_Bus_24
03-08-2010, 12:31 PM
press conference at 4:00

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/10067/1041137-66.stm

Police to address Roethlisberger allegations today
Monday, March 08, 2010
By Dan Majors, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- Authorities have called a press conference for 4 p.m. today to address their investigation into sexual assault allegations against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Meanwhile, Mr. Roethlisberger has hired an attorney who worked on a previous criminal case involving a high-profile football player.

Milledgeville Police and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation have been looking into a report by a 20-year-old student at Georgia College & State University that Mr. Roethlisberger assaulted her early Friday at a nightclub.

Milledgeville Police Chief Woodrow Blue is scheduled to address reporters.

Mr. Roethlisberger has now retained Atlanta criminal defense attorney Edward T. M. Garland and Donald F. Samuel to represent him. Mr. Garland represented Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, who was accused in 2000 of a double murder in Atlanta. Mr. Lewis pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of obstruction of justice and testified against two co-defendants who were later acquitted.
More details in tomorrow's Pittsburgh Post-Gazette.

Read more: http://www.postgazette.com/pg/10067/1041137-66.stm#ixzz0hbizePCq

Prok
03-08-2010, 12:32 PM
press conference at 4:00

for who ??

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 12:35 PM
press conference at 4:00
Do you know what channel?

Steel_Bus_24
03-08-2010, 12:37 PM
Do you know what channel?

don't know..........probably be on the espn networks

Prok
03-08-2010, 12:40 PM
Since Ben has hired these high priced lawyers, looks like he's preparing for pending charges?

WH
03-08-2010, 12:51 PM
Also, at this Press Conference can we find out what happened with Limas?

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 12:52 PM
Also, at this Press Conference can we find out what happened with Limas?
I highly doubt anything will be said about Sweed.

zulater
03-08-2010, 12:54 PM
Since Ben has hired these high priced lawyers, looks like he's preparing for pending charges?

Sure looks that way. :doh:

I told my son Saturday that I thought it was 50/50 whether or not Ben would play another down for the Steelers. I think was overly optimistic.

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 12:56 PM
This will be a mighty long three hours.

By the way, if he ever plays another down for the Steelers, then I hope the fans boo him mercilessly every time he runs out of the tunnel.

WH
03-08-2010, 12:57 PM
I highly doubt anything will be said about Sweed.

a guy can hope can't he?

WH
03-08-2010, 12:58 PM
This will be a mighty long three hours.

By the way, if he ever plays another down for the Steelers, then I hope the fans boo him mercilessly every time he runs out of the tunnel.

They won't. I agree that they should, but, they won't

Prok
03-08-2010, 01:01 PM
Sure looks that way. :doh:

I told my son Saturday that I thought it was 50/50 whether or not Ben would play another down for the Steelers. I think was overly optimistic.

Me and my son both will be crushed. Ben has been our fav ever since we drafted him. That's the only explaination I can think of as to why Ben would seek other lawyers too. He has to have a pretty good idea what's going down this afternoon.

Gawd I can't ever remember feeling this saddened as a Steelers fan.

HometownGal
03-08-2010, 01:02 PM
I'm pretty much of the same thinking as you.

I'm very disturbed with the people on this board who impugn the character of this young lady. I'm nearly convinced Ben crossed the line of common decency at the very least. Whether his actions warrant criminal charges, until we see specifically what the young ladies allegations are all we can do is hope for the best.




And what absolutely gags me with a spoon on this board are those who have already tried and convicted Ben of being a sexual deviate without one shred of evidence being revealed.

If there is indisputable evidence that Ben sexually assaulted this chick, then so be it and I would hope that he is punished accordingly and tossed the hell out of Pittsburgh on his hiney. If, on the other hand, this girl is out to make a buck, I hope Ben sues the living shit out of her for defamation of character.

The bottom line is - we can speculate until the cows come home, but until the facts and evidence are presented and verified, none of us have a leg to stand on with regard to what we "think" happened.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 01:04 PM
I hope Ben doesn't leave, but if he's in trouble... The Steelers are a organization that doesn't deal with stuff so he might be leaving depending on the outcome. :sadpace:

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 01:05 PM
Anyone have the cross and nails ready? Sheesh.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 01:05 PM
And what absolutely gags me with a spoon on this board are those who have already tried and convicted Ben of being a sexual deviate without one shred of evidence being revealed.
Thank you HometownGal, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

XxKnightxX
03-08-2010, 01:07 PM
Just saw an Update on ESPN news that they will have a new upadte at a conference at 4PM. And that he has hired Mr. Garland as his attorney. The Same lawyer that Murda Ray Ray hired when he had his incident. Talk about ironic. So Ben is ready to go to war if they do decide to file charges against him. Im not gonna assume that Ben is innocent nor guilty, but I will say that he has to learn how to pick and choose his places for a hangout, your blacklisted now.

Prok
03-08-2010, 01:08 PM
Thank you HometownGal, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

I fully agree....

But just going by the latest activities... Ben hires Lawyers who represented ray lewis.... Millegeville PC coming at 4..... ya'd have to think it's not looking good at this point, no?

zulater
03-08-2010, 01:13 PM
They won't. I agree that they should, but, they won't

They may not even get the chance. If he's convincted for felony sexual assualt he's probably played his last down for the team.

Like i said before, his only chance may be to plea down to a lesser offense, he's got the right lawyers to do that now. Whether he'll come off his pride enough to save his career is another matter though? :noidea:

Let me say this, innocent until proven guilty, but if they pursue charges you can bet they believe they have a winning hand. They know Ben can outlawyer them, so I'm guessing they wont bring charges on a whim or if they see the alleged victim as emotionally or mentally unstable.

CanadianSteel
03-08-2010, 01:25 PM
Very saddened to see this soap opera again with Ben.
I am pretty laid back and almost always reserve judgement until all the details are discovered as there is always 2 sides to every story. (except fpr the cheatin *PATS and spygate)
Either way Ben does not come out looking very good IMO no matter what the facts are... howevere I will not vilify him or the girl in question.

I admire Ben for his QB and leadership skills, and would continue to cheer him as long as he is the QB of my beloved Steelers.

SteelerFanInStl
03-08-2010, 01:25 PM
And what absolutely gags me with a spoon on this board are those who have already tried and convicted Ben of being a sexual deviate without one shred of evidence being revealed.

Exactly! And, just because he's hired an attorney doesn't mean that there are impending charges. What the attorneys are doing right now is trying to make it so that no charges will be filed.

Texasteel
03-08-2010, 01:29 PM
Anyone have the cross and nails ready? Sheesh.


Even if Ben were to be declared completely Innocent, there are still some here that would keep this cross in their closet, waiting for another chance.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-08-2010, 01:31 PM
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4975648&categoryid=2378529

Latest video info from ESPN. Sounds like the alleged attack happened in a bathroom. The club has surveillance video of the club, but not in the bathroom.

zulater
03-08-2010, 01:33 PM
Thank you HometownGal, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

I'm not saying otherwise. All I'm saying is that we have 3 parties at the table as of now.

At one chair we have a 20 year old college girl, who to the best of our knowledge has no history of making false charges. We're not talking stripper or prostitute here. She supposedly filed charges immediatly, diswrought with emotion, and didn't hesitate to offer herself up for physical evidence.

At chair two we have Big Ben. Here we have a man that has a pending civil suite for sexual assualt standing against him. We also are being told he was more or less having girls herded towards him. Not illegal, but it doesn't come across as someone who treats woman with a great deal of respect either.

At chair three we have a team of investigators who are interviewing any potential witness they can find, going through every scrap of evidence that's available and have to come to a conclusion on whether criminal charges are warranted.

As of now, we don't know what their decision is.

I'll leave it there for now.

No actually let me leave it here instead.


I love Big Ben the qb. I hope desperately that he's innocent of any wrondoing. Ahort of that I hope that if he is guilty of a crime it not so severe as to warrant his dismissal from the team or the league. I further hope they're not so severe that I'll cringe at the thought of him wearing a Steelers uniform if he in fact is able to extract himself from his current prediciment. So I'm not being a hater here.

But I am being a realist, and right now sorry to say what I'm seeing is telling me that Ben is guilty of some sort of misconduct.

I hope like heck I'm wrong.

Nadroj 20
03-08-2010, 01:34 PM
Even if Ben were to be declared completely Innocent, there are still some here that would keep this cross in their closet, waiting for another chance.

Sad but true.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 01:40 PM
At chair three we have a team of investigators who are interviewing any potential witness they can find, going through every scrap of evidence that's available and have to come to a conclusion on whether criminal charges are warranted.

This investigation to me is very reminiscent of the investigation described in the old Arlo Guthrie tune Alice's Restaurant - "....and they was usin' up all kinds of cop equipment from the police officer's station." What's the crime rate in Milledgeville, GA, anyway?

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 01:43 PM
So anyway, now do any of you see why I've never labeled Ray Lewis a "murderer," and why I stopped ridiculing the Bengals the moment all their off-field transgressions died down?

pete74
03-08-2010, 01:46 PM
And what absolutely gags me with a spoon on this board are those who have already tried and convicted Ben of being a sexual deviate without one shred of evidence being revealed.

If there is indisputable evidence that Ben sexually assaulted this chick, then so be it and I would hope that he is punished accordingly and tossed the hell out of Pittsburgh on his hiney. If, on the other hand, this girl is out to make a buck, I hope Ben sues the living shit out of her for defamation of character.

The bottom line is - we can speculate until the cows come home, but until the facts and evidence are presented and verified, none of us have a leg to stand on with regard to what we "think" happened.

he is definatly already guilty in my mind of having extremly poor judgment and making stupied decisions. as for the case, i pray no charges are filed but if anything close happens again i hope he does 20 to life

zulater
03-08-2010, 01:48 PM
This investigation to me is very reminiscent of the investigation described in the old Arlo Guthrie tune Alice's Restaurant - "....and they was usin' up all kinds of cop equipment from the police officer's station." What's the crime rate in Milledgeville, GA, anyway?

Being as their unemploment rate is 14% probably not as low as you think. And they also probably don't have the budget to go toe to toe with the kind of lawyers they know they'll see in a high profile case such as this. So it's hard for me to imagine that they'll go to a Grand Jury with a frivelous case?

But hey maybe you're right, maybe the world is out to get Big Ben? And I'm sure you're defense of him would be just as passionate if he were a Raven or Patriot? :chuckle:

Again I want Ben to come out of this shining like a Knight on a white charger.

I'm just not expecting it.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 01:52 PM
Being as their unemploment rate is 14% probably not as low as you think. And they also probably don't have the budget to go toe to toe with the kind of lawyers they know they'll see in a high profile case such as this. So it's hard for me to imagine that they'll go to a Grand Jury with a frivelous case?

But hey maybe you're right, maybe the world is out to get Big Ben? And I'm sure you're defense of him would be just as passionate if he were a Raven or Patriot? :chuckle:

Again I want Ben to come out of this shining like a Knight on a white charger.

I'm just not expecting it.

Hey, I'm just waiting for the twenty-four 8' x 10' color glossy photographs with a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one is to be used as evidence against Ben before I make a comment either way.

On a serious note, I'm not defending him. I'm not convicting him either.

plenewken
03-08-2010, 01:53 PM
http://w88.m.espn.go.com/b/ss/wdgespw/5.4/REDIR/1268073667784?D=..&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.espn.go.com%2Fwireless%2Fmw%2Fu til%2FredirectKeepParams%3Furl%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fm.fa cebook.com%2Fsharer.php%3Fu%3Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fm.espn. go.com%2Fnfl%2Fstory%3FstoryId%3D4976276%26i%3DFB&pe=lnk_e&pev1=..url&pev2=fb_share
Ben will be ok he hired T.I. 'S lawyer

What do you mean by being ok? So you have the bucks to get yourself outta legal trouble and that makes you ok? Not in my book and I don't think in the Rooney's book either.
You don't have to be a West Point Grad to assume that people typically don't hire prominent lawyers when they're completely innocent and when no proof of culpability whatsoever can be brought against them.
Let's wait for more official information but at this point, it sure doesn't smell good for Big Ben.

Shoes
03-08-2010, 01:58 PM
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Fire Haley
03-08-2010, 02:07 PM
Hiring RayRay's murder lawyer is not a good sign

This will be all over ESPN at the news conference - prepare yourselves.

Prok
03-08-2010, 02:09 PM
Any minute now i'm expecting to see these words on the internet.......

"Source: Charges filed against Ben Roethlisberger..."

:mad:

vrabinec
03-08-2010, 02:12 PM
Gawd I can't ever remember feeling this saddened as a Steelers fan.

This.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:13 PM
Raise your hand if you think it's a good idea to drive 45 miles to a college town on a Thursday night to watch a Pitt game in a bar full of college women. Seeing no hands, I think that sums it up. Ben went there for more than to just watch a basketball game and I think that is something we all better start coming to terms with very quickly. The man has issues. One time is an accident, two times is not. Not saying he's guilty, but it is clear he is an immature spoiled moron.

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 02:13 PM
This investigation to me is very reminiscent of the investigation described in the old Arlo Guthrie tune Alice's Restaurant - "....and they was usin' up all kinds of cop equipment from the police officer's station." What's the crime rate in Milledgeville, GA, anyway?


From http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/07/big-ben-is-officially-brain-dead/

And for years, it was known as a place that housed some of Georgia's worst criminals in its state pen.

plenewken
03-08-2010, 02:15 PM
Any minute now i'm expecting to see these words on the internet.......

"Source: Charges filed against Ben Roethlisberger..."

:mad:

If it's the case, this is a very bad sack for Ben and he will have a very hard time recovering from it. Hope I'm wrong but hiring a top lawyer before even knowing officially what's going on tells me that he must be in deep doo-doo.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 02:18 PM
From http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/07/big-ben-is-officially-brain-dead/


And for years, it was known as a place that housed some of Georgia's worst criminals in its state pen.


OK, so it's fairly remote and unpopulated which is why they probably stuck the state pen there. Thanks for underscoring my point.

"....bein' it was the biggest crime of the last fifty years and everybody wanted to get in a newspaper story about it...."

I know it's not Thanksgiving, but I think I'll give a listen to that tune tonight. :chuckle:

zulater
03-08-2010, 02:19 PM
Any minute now i'm expecting to see these words on the internet.......

"Source: Charges filed against Ben Roethlisberger..."

:mad:



At least we might get an idea what the charges are and what specifically is being alleged.

I mean there is a slight possibility it could be a misdemeaner charge, no? :noidea:

Prok
03-08-2010, 02:20 PM
If it's the case, this is a very bad sack for Ben and he will have a very hard time recovering from it. Hope I'm wrong but hiring a top lawyer before even knowing officially what's going on tells me that he must be in deep doo-doo.

It tells me that Ben has, at the LEAST, some expectation as to what's going to happen...

I'm praying to no end that this all goes away SOON but my gut tells me this is gonna take quite a while... Sickening feeling...:mad:

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 02:21 PM
Raise your hand if you think it's a good idea to drive 45 miles to a college town on a Thursday night to watch a Pitt game in a bar full of college women. Seeing no hands, I think that sums it up. Ben went there for more than to just watch a basketball game and I think that is something we all better start coming to terms with very quickly.

Funny, I thought he went to celebrate his birthday with Jerome Bettis and Willie Colon in tow. :noidea:

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:22 PM
If it's the case, this is a very bad sack for Ben and he will have a very hard time recovering from it. Hope I'm wrong but hiring a top lawyer before even knowing officially what's going on tells me that he must be in deep doo-doo.

It tells me that at least occasionally he makes a good decision. I don't base anything on the type of lawyer you hire. He's rich, he's powerful, he hires rich and powerful attorneys. Finally he gets something right.

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 02:23 PM
Like I need another reason to dislike Arians... I heard Stan Savran say on the radio today that Arians was the one who got Ben to buy the house in there in Georgia.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:23 PM
Funny, I thought he went to celebrate his birthday with Jerome Bettis and Willie Colon in tow. :noidea:

At a college bar, in a hugely college small town at a bar with underage women. No excuse for his stupid decision making. That's how you would celebrate your birthday if you were Ben Roethlisberger, huh?

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 02:26 PM
At a college bar, in a hugely college small town at a bar with underage women. No excuse for his stupid decision making. That's how you would celebrate your birthday if you were Ben Roethlisberger, huh?

Not making excuses, just adding that simple fact. IMO, it's nobody's damn business what he does and I think it would help a lot of people's blood pressure if they came to that realization. He hasn't even been charged at this point, and some already have him serving 10-20 in Sing Sing. People need to get a grip.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 02:29 PM
Not making excuses, just adding that simple fact. IMO, it's nobody's damn business what he does and I think it would help a lot of people's blood pressure if they came to that realization. He hasn't even been charged at this point, and some already have him serving 10-20 in Sing Sing. People need to get a grip.
Well said. :thumbsup:

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 02:29 PM
At a college bar, in a hugely college small town at a bar with underage women. No excuse for his stupid decision making. That's how you would celebrate your birthday if you were Ben Roethlisberger, huh?

The girl could have had a fake ID.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:30 PM
Not making excuses, just adding that simple fact. IMO, it's nobody's damn business what he does and I think it would help a lot of people's blood pressure if they came to that realization. He hasn't even been charged at this point, and some already have him serving 10-20 in Sing Sing. People need to get a grip.

I don't care if he goes to jail or not, my point is he has repeatedly demonstrated an immaturity and complete lack of sound decision making. It may be a fact that he wanted to go celebrate his birthday there. If that is the case, that still leads me to believe he went to that location, on his birthday for more than just watching a basketball game. If I'm Ben and I want to celebrate my birthday, I'm not going there. However, that;s the distinction; I'm not an immature moron.

plenewken
03-08-2010, 02:31 PM
It tells me that at least occasionally he makes a good decision. I don't base anything on the type of lawyer you hire. He's rich, he's powerful, he hires rich and powerful attorneys. Finally he gets something right.

Well, hiring the same criminal lawyer as Ray Lewis doesn't make me feel particularly positive about him. If he was innocent, he wouldn't need him, even if he can afford him.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:31 PM
The girl could have had a fake ID.

What does her having a fake ID have to do with his poor decision making? :noidea:

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 02:32 PM
At a college bar, in a hugely college small town at a bar with underage women. No excuse for his stupid decision making. That's how you would celebrate your birthday if you were Ben Roethlisberger, huh?

From my understanding, Milledgeville is the closest "bar spot" near where he lives, which is a very quiet and reserved area. He didn't go out alone and it wasn't just for some random occasion...it was for his birthday. As for the girl being underaged, she's 20, not 16. In Georgia (and many other states) she's of legal age to be in those clubs, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't forcing her to be there.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:32 PM
Well, hiring the same criminal lawyer as Ray Lewis doesn't make me feel particularly positive about him. If he was innocent, he wouldn't need him, even if he can afford him.

It would be another bad decision in a ever growing list of bad decisions not to hire an attorney, and a good one at that, during this situation. Like I said, this was a good decision by him.

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 02:33 PM
What does her having a fake ID have to do with his poor decision making? :noidea:

She might have been pretending that she was of legal age to consume alcohol. If she had a fake ID and Ben bought her drinks, then that's really not his fault.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:34 PM
From my understanding, Milledgeville is the closest "bar spot" near where he lives, which is a very quiet and reserved area. He didn't go out alone and it wasn't just for some random occasion...it was for his birthday. As for the girl being underaged, she's 20, not 16. In Georgia (and many other states) she's of legal age to be in those clubs, and I'm pretty sure he wasn't forcing her to be there.

And he's a 120 mil franchise QB. If we are going to nit pick what she is, why not do the same for him? I'm not saying he's guilty, I'm saying he's dumb. I have a litany of circumstances to back that up. A pattern of his behavior that most seem to want to forget. The guy is a moron, it cannot get any simpler.

zulater
03-08-2010, 02:34 PM
I don't care if he goes to jail or not, my point is he has repeatedly demonstrated an immaturity and complete lack of sound decision making. It may be a fact that he wanted to go celebrate his birthday there. If that is the case, that still leads me to believe he went to that location, on his birthday for more than just watching a basketball game. If I'm Ben and I want to celebrate my birthday, I'm not going there. However, that;s the distinction; I'm not an immature moron.

So he wanted to get laid by a pretty young coed on his birthday, nothing wrong with that.

But if he in any way forced himself on a girl, there's plenty wrong with that.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:35 PM
She might have been pretending that she was of legal age to consume alcohol. If she had a fake ID and Ben bought her drinks, then that's really not his fault.

I think we are well past the allegation of buying an underage female drinks, if you are stuck on that the ship has sailed.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-08-2010, 02:35 PM
Like I need another reason to dislike Arians... I heard Stan Savran say on the radio today that Arians was the one who got Ben to buy the house in there in Georgia.

:rofl:

He's already responsible for the demise of the Steeler running game, Global Warming, Earthquake in Chile, the financial crisis and now selling Ben on a house in Gerorgia.....:doh:

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:36 PM
So he wanted to get laid by a pretty young coed on his birthday, nothing wrong with that.

But if he in any way forced himself on a girl, there's plenty wrong with that.

I'm not saying there is, but there is a way to go about doing it that every single other QB and player in the league seems to understand, Ben, not so much.

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 02:37 PM
:rofl:

He's already responsible for the demise of the Steeler running game, Global Warming, Earthquake in Chile, the financial crisis and now selling Ben on a house in Gerorgia.....:doh:


He was fired from my Alma Mater for calling stupid plays... That is reason enough

plenewken
03-08-2010, 02:37 PM
It would be another bad decision in a ever growing list of bad decisions not to hire an attorney, and a good one at that, during this situation. Like I said, this was a good decision by him.

Ben already has several attorneys, including the one taking care of his assault problem in NV. Again, if he is innocent, why does he feel the need to hire another one, and one with a proven ability to get him out of trouble to boot?

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:39 PM
Ben already has several attorneys, including the one taking care of his assault problem in NV. Again, if he is innocent, why does he feel the need to hire another one, and one with a proven ability to get him out of trouble to boot?

There are tremendous differences between civil lawyers and criminal lawyers, that would be the explanation. Besides, retaining an attorney to represent you when talking to police is a fantastic idea.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 02:39 PM
I think we are well past the allegation of buying an underage female drinks, if you are stuck on that the ship has sailed.
Damn it, I missed my boat again. :mad:

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 02:39 PM
And he's a 120 mil franchise QB. If we are going to nit pick what she is, why not do the same for him? I'm not saying he's guilty, I'm saying he's dumb. I have a litany of circumstances to back that up. A pattern of his behavior that most seem to want to forget. The guy is a moron, it cannot get any simpler.

See, I'm not going to judge what someone does just because they are famous. I could care less how much money someone makes, they shouldn't have to be put under a microscope because of it. You wouldn't even blink if some random 28 year old single guy and his buddies went out to a club frequented by co-eds in their 20's for his birthday celebration. It happens all the time.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:42 PM
Damn it, I missed my boat again. :mad:

:chuckle:

ricksteelers55
03-08-2010, 02:43 PM
So he wanted to get laid by a pretty young coed on his birthday, nothing wrong with that.

But if he in any way forced himself on a girl, there's plenty wrong with that.

You know what that's the problem...he's probably thinking the same way you do.Yes there's something wrong with that.2 years ago every newspapers would tell the world that Big Ben signed a contract extension of 100+ mil.So suddenly you become attractive to all the girls who wants to have a very ''bright future''.Not sayin she made that up because honestly I'm tired of Ben's stupide attitude,only sayin he needs to be careful.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:44 PM
See, I'm not going to judge what someone does just because they are famous. I could care less how much money someone makes, they shouldn't have to be put under a microscope because of it. You wouldn't even blink if some random 28 year old single guy and his buddies went out to a club frequented by co-eds in their 20's for his birthday celebration. It happens all the time.

If you think there are not different standards for athletes, you are crazy. Being famous opens you up to a world of possibility and pitfalls that we as commoners cannot fathom. With reward comes risk. That is the life he chose, if he fails to act accordingly, he will continue to be in these situations. For what it's worth, Ben apparently agrees with you, and that is precisely my issue with him. Every other athlete, movie star, other famous person gets it, why doesn't Ben?

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:45 PM
You know what that's the problem...he's probably thinking the same way you do.Yes there's something wrong with that.2 years ago every newspapers would tell the world that Big Ben signed a contract extension of 100+ mil.So suddenly you become attractive to all the girls who wants to have a very ''bright future''.Not sayin she made that up because honestly I'm tired of Ben's stupide attitude,only sayin he needs to be careful.

Thank you, well said.

plenewken
03-08-2010, 02:48 PM
There are tremendous differences between civil lawyers and criminal lawyers, that would be the explanation. Besides, retaining an attorney to represent you when talking to police is a fantastic idea.

Sure but the idea is to retain an attorney that can get you out of trouble if you know you're in trouble. If you know you're innocent, it's irrelevant.
In this case, DNA samples must have been taken (standard procedure with sexual assault) and DNA matching is tough to argue against, regardless of the lawyer you hire.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 02:53 PM
Sure but the idea is to retain an attorney that can get you out of trouble if you know you're in trouble. If you know you're innocent, it's irrelevant.
In this case, DNA samples must have been taken (standard procedure with sexual assault) and DNA matching is tough to argue against, regardless of the lawyer you hire.

You don't ever think innocent people are charged with crimes? Sexual assault is not only rape. A woman can be assaulted without being raped.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 03:01 PM
Well, one hour till D-Day.

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 03:03 PM
If you think there are not different standards for athletes, you are crazy. Being famous opens you up to a world of possibility and pitfalls that we as commoners cannot fathom. With reward comes risk. That is the life he chose, if he fails to act accordingly, he will continue to be in these situations. For what it's worth, Ben apparently agrees with you, and that is precisely my issue with him. Every other athlete, movie star, other famous person gets it, why doesn't Ben?

I know that there are different standards for athletes and famous people. That was my point. I'm saying I don't agree with it. Things that a normal person would do suddenly becomes the biggest sin if a famous person does it. It's a complete double standard and I don't agree with it. And no, every other athlete and famous person does not hold themselves to higher standards than a normal person would. If they did, then there wouldn't be paparazzi or TMZ.

As an example, we used to hold hip hop nights at the club I part owned. These were 18+ shows. Quite a few nights we had some Steelers players come in and party and it was always a big to do anytime they were in there. Fortunately we never had any problems and everyone always had a good time, but it's not uncommon at all for famous athletes, movie stars etc. to go out to clubs/bars and party. It doesn't always have to be for their birthday either lol.

plenewken
03-08-2010, 03:10 PM
You don't ever think innocent people are charged with crimes? Sexual assault is not only rape. A woman can be assaulted without being raped.

I never said rape. Why do you bring this? I know what sexual assault is.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 03:12 PM
Of course they can go out, no one is saying they need to be hermits. But there is a right way and a wrong way. Ben apparently does not know the right way. Can you give me an example of something a famous person does that is a sin but not a sin for a normal person? Just 1. I would also suspect, then, that you are against famous people getting special treatment that normal people don't get? OR are you only against a double standard that goes against your double standard?

TMZ exists because people are fascinated with celebrities, whether they are going to club or charged with sexual assault or just saying something something walking down the street.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 03:14 PM
I never said rape. Why do you bring this? I know what sexual assault is.

You said DNA evidence, I assumed you meant like semen. If he grabbed her breasts, that is sexual assault and there wouldn't really be any DNA evidence, so that was where I was going.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 03:18 PM
You said DNA evidence, I assumed you meant like semen. If he grabbed her breasts, that is sexual assault and there wouldn't really be any DNA evidence, so that was where I was going.


You don't hire the lawyers Ben has for a boob grab. There has to be semen involved for Ben to hire the big guns he just hired.

Prok
03-08-2010, 03:18 PM
CALLING ALL STEELERS FANS. NOW IS THE TIME FOR US TO UNITE AND PRAY TOGETHER..... ALL AT ONCE...... I'LL GIVE YOU GUYS 15 MINUTES TO CATCH UP..

:drink:

:thumbsup:

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 03:19 PM
Of course they can go out, no one is saying they need to be hermits. But there is a right way and a wrong way. Ben apparently does not know the right way. Can you give me an example of something a famous person does that is a sin but not a sin for a normal person? Just 1. I would also suspect, then, that you are against famous people getting special treatment that normal people don't get? OR are you only against a double standard that goes against your double standard?

TMZ exists because people are fascinated with celebrities, whether they are going to club or charged with sexual assault or just saying something something walking down the street.

Yes, I'm also against celebrities getting special treatment that normal people don't get. That's why I was happy that Burress got jail time for his crime. Not sure why you would think that I agree with celebs getting special treatment.

This whole Ben case is a perfect example of a double standard. As I already said, nobody would even blink an eye at a guy going out to a club for his 28th birthday (heck my brother is 35 and single and still goes out to party at clubs and bars on occasion) with a bunch of friends. In case you haven't read these threads thoroughly, there was a big to do about how he could call himself a Christian on gameday and go out and party and chase tail on other days. You can apply this to almost every other celebrity. I apologize if my use of the word sin confused you though, it was just a manner of speech. I was just eluding to the fact that sometimes celebrities get crucified by the public and the media for doing things that don't even get noticed if a normal person does them.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 03:23 PM
Yes, I'm also against celebrities getting special treatment that normal people don't get. That's why I was happy that Burress got jail time for his crime. Not sure why you would think that I agree with celebs getting special treatment.

This whole Ben case is a perfect example of a double standard. As I already said, nobody would even blink an eye at a guy going out to a club for his 28th birthday (heck my brother is 35 and single and still goes out to party at clubs and bars on occasion) with a bunch of friends. In case you haven't read these threads thoroughly, there was a big to do about how he could call himself a Christian on gameday and go out and party and chase tail on other days. You can apply this to almost every other celebrity. I apologize if my use of the word sin confused you though, it was just a manner of speech. I was just eluding to the fact that sometimes celebrities get crucified by the public and the media for doing things that don't even get noticed if a normal person does them.

That's because they are famous!!!! Of course they do things that you and I do and we don't get noticed for it. That's the price of fame. What do you expect? No one would have had any issue with Ben going to the club if all he did was go and have a good time. He apparently tried to have too good of a time or made some stupid decisions while he was at the club. What is so difficult to grasp about that? If your brother did what Ben did, he would find himself in the same situation minus the media attention. I don't get what is so different? You think the media should leave the story alone? Riiiiight......:banging:

plenewken
03-08-2010, 03:26 PM
You said DNA evidence, I assumed you meant like semen. If he grabbed her breasts, that is sexual assault and there wouldn't really be any DNA evidence, so that was where I was going.

DNA can be detected in blood, semen, saliva, hair, etc.........
As far as fondling her breasts, I don't think someone would go to a hospital for that. There must have been more.
Oh and another thing we were discussing with friends yesterday regarding Ben: "Juice". See what I mean? This alone could explain some strange behavior and bad judgement.

Fire Haley
03-08-2010, 03:27 PM
Well, one hour till D-Day.

Yep

Enough of this blab blab blabbing

Live news conference - let's see what you got



Authorities To Update Roethlisberger Investigation; News Conference 4 p.m., 11Alive.com LIVE


http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=141514&catid=8

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 03:27 PM
DNA can be detected in blood, semen, saliva, hair, etc.........
As far as fondling her breasts, I don't think someone would go to a hospital for that. There must have been more.
Oh and another thing we were discussing with friends yesterday regarding Ben: "Juice". See what I mean? This alone could explain some strange behavior and bad judgement.

Juice as in steroids? I don't get it. I'm not speculating whether there was more or not. Maybe, we'll find out.

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 03:31 PM
That's because they are famous!!!! Of course they do things that you and I do and we don't get noticed for it. That's the price of fame. What do you expect? No one would have had any issue with Ben going to the club if all he did was go and have a good time. He apparently tried to have too good of a time or made some stupid decisions while he was at the club. What is so difficult to grasp about that? If your brother did what Ben did, he would find himself in the same situation minus the media attention. I don't get what is so different? You think the media should leave the story alone? Riiiiight......:banging:

LOL....the only way my brother would get the same kind of police attention would be if he raped a chick, and we don't even know if that's going to be the charge against Ben. Like I've said before, I've gone to college, worked in and frequented many bars...hell, I've even been grabbed at a few times, and have seen other women get grabbed at. It usually ends in a slap to the face. I've NEVER seen a cop called unless it's something serious. If he doesn't get charged with rape or attempted rape, she's taking advantage of who he is plain and simple. That's what is possibly so different.

Hey, if you're fine with the fact that us normal citizens hold celebs to double standards, great for you...I do not though, and I don't agree with rumor rags and paparazzi shows.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 03:34 PM
wonder how many dennis dixon jersey will we be seeing in the stands this season...lol:chuckle:

Prok
03-08-2010, 03:37 PM
** On knees praying **

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 03:46 PM
LOL....the only way my brother would get the same kind of police attention would be if he raped a chick, and we don't even know if that's going to be the charge against Ben. Like I've said before, I've gone to college, worked in and frequented many bars...hell, I've even been grabbed at a few times, and have seen other women get grabbed at. It usually ends in a slap to the face. I've NEVER seen a cop called unless it's something serious. If he doesn't get charged with rape or attempted rape, she's taking advantage of who he is plain and simple. That's what is possibly so different.

Hey, if you're fine with the fact that us normal citizens hold celebs to double standards, great for you...I do not though, and I don't agree with rumor rags and paparazzi shows.

We'll find out in 15 minutes I suppose. It's not a question of whether anyone is fine with it. It is a question of that is REALITY. You can choose to accept it and play by the rules or find yourself in situations like Ben. Like it or not, that's the way of the world. If you think you are going to change it by calling it a double standard or saying it should not be, you're insane.

There is a price to pay for fame, with good comes bad. I didn't make the rules I just recognize they are there. When a company, let's face it the Steelers are a company, pays you 120 million you have different obligations and standards then the ball washer getting paid 30K a year. They don't give a shit if he rides on a motorcycle with or without a helmet. You live in a dream world if you think that's a double standard or unjustified.

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 03:52 PM
We'll find out in 15 minutes I suppose. It's not a question of whether anyone is fine with it. It is a question of that is REALITY. You can choose to accept it and play by the rules or find yourself in situations like Ben. Like it or not, that's the way of the world. If you think you are going to change it by calling it a double standard or saying it should not be, you're insane.

There is a price to pay for fame, with good comes bad. I didn't make the rules I just recognize they are there. When a company, let's face it the Steelers are a company, pays you 120 million you have different obligations and standards then the ball washer getting paid 30K a year. They don't give a shit if he rides on a motorcycle with or without a helmet. You live in a dream world if you think that's a double standard or unjustified.

*Sigh*....Yeah, cause I said it was ok for Ben (or anyone) to ride a motorcycle w/o a valid license or helmet. Not sure how that came into the conversation.

And I'm not on a crusade to change the world...I *myself* find it highly hypocritical of all people to hold anyone famous to higher standards than they would hold for themselves or their peers and then moan and complain that they get special treatment when it comes to criminal manners. Where do we draw the line? Should they ONLY be treated the same if they break the law? I'm just not understanding what is so insane about that. Insane to me, is the people who obsess over the things that celebrities do in their day to day lives that they wouldn't even care about their neighbor doing. I guess that's just me though.

And yes, we'll find out in T minus 7 minutes if all this hoopla over the past 2 1/2 days was warranted.

Prok
03-08-2010, 03:56 PM
Reguardless what side of the debate you're on, i would think we're ALL on the SAME side here hoping and praying for the best ???? Doesn't seem that way........

pete74
03-08-2010, 03:59 PM
i dont agree that these people should be held at higher standards but they are. they know that when they begin there carears whether it be as a pro athlete, music band, president of the usa, actor, etc... they know there lives will change and there willing to except that so it is there decision and they know they definatly have to act different when out in public and thats ben's problem. he dosnt

pete74
03-08-2010, 04:02 PM
its on kdka but there not saying much new

OneForTheToe
03-08-2010, 04:04 PM
Statement from the Rooneys:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4976276

All of us in the Steelers family are concerned about the recent incident involving Ben Roethlisberger in Georgia," team president Art Rooney II said in a news release. "We cannot comment on any of the specifics until law enforcement's investigation is concluded. Certainly, we will continue to closely monitor the situation."

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 04:05 PM
uh oh, the girl has lawyered up... this isnt good

Prok
03-08-2010, 04:06 PM
Dammit i can't find it. What's going on ??

pete74
03-08-2010, 04:08 PM
it was useless. they said nothing new so you didnt miss a thing. there looking over the videos of the bar and still have to interview 8 more people in the next 2-3 days. we wont know anything until the end of the week

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 04:09 PM
it was useless. they said nothing new
except the victim has a lawyer now.

Fire Haley
03-08-2010, 04:09 PM
The drama continues...

It was a dark and stormy night...

pete74
03-08-2010, 04:10 PM
except the victim has a lawyer now.

true.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 04:10 PM
ZOMG! BENZ GOIN' TA JAIL! :willy:

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 04:11 PM
Most worthless news conference I've ever seen and the police aren't doing the proper job so this might not turn into anything.

OneForTheToe
03-08-2010, 04:11 PM
except the victim has a lawyer now.

I don't think that is all really surprising. I'd be more shocked if she didn't hire one.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 04:12 PM
ZOMG! BENZ GOIN' TA JAIL! :willy:
lol. that is funny... but you know at this point, it could be a real posibility he is.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 04:13 PM
I don't think that is all really surprising. I'd be more shocked if she didn't hire one.
i am not saying its surprising so to say, just that is the only thing new.

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 04:30 PM
Most worthless news conference I've ever seen and the police aren't doing the proper job so this might not turn into anything.

Agreed it was useless...all they said was she has a lawyer and that they would be interviewing people and investigating it, all things we already knew. But how are they not doing a proper job?

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 04:30 PM
I don't think that is all really surprising. I'd be more shocked if she didn't hire one.

I find it really surprising. In a criminal case you have the District Attorney as your attorney, there is no need for her to have an attorney unless she intends to sue him civilly. And that is where the money comes from. I guess maybe it's not so surprising, but I find it to be odd that she has one so soon before charges are even filed. I guess they know more than we do of what happened. Seems to me that this is very serious. I think Ben is in some serious trouble.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 04:34 PM
*Sigh*....Yeah, cause I said it was ok for Ben (or anyone) to ride a motorcycle w/o a valid license or helmet. Not sure how that came into the conversation.

It came in as an example of the different standards for someone making 100+ mil vs someone making 30K. I don't think that difference in standards is a double standard or wrong. I expect that someone getting paid that much more money will act differently as the face of my company vs the guy at the bottom. That's not a double standard that's called value. I don't know why you brought up a license but so be it. :drink:

vrabinec
03-08-2010, 04:34 PM
ZOMG! BENZ GOIN' TA JAIL! :willy:

According to this document comparing Georgia and North Carolina sentencing guidelines, assuming it is the lightest of the sexual assault offenses which would be a B1-5 or a B1-6 offense, if he's charged and convicted he'd be doing 2 or 4 years of real time (longer sentence but he'd probably get out early due to behavior like Mike Vick)

(page 12)
http://www.ars-corp.com/_view/PDF_Files/AnOverlayoftheNorthCarolinaGuidelines1999.pdf

p.s. If charges are filed and he is convicted, then the process would likely take a good year, and if he's sentenced to even just 2 years, then he would most likely be out of football for at least 4 years.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 04:41 PM
I find it really surprising. In a criminal case you have the District Attorney as your attorney, there is no need for her to have an attorney unless she intends to sue him civilly. And that is where the money comes from. I guess maybe it's not so surprising, but I find it to be odd that she has one so soon before charges are even filed. I guess they know more than we do of what happened. Seems to me that this is very serious. I think Ben is in some serious trouble.

It seems to me that it lends credence to the notion that she may be simply trying to score a payday. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that since the majority of posts in these threads have been dedicated to dumping on Ben, but it's a possibility which is just as plausible as the notion that Ben broke the law at this point.

pete74
03-08-2010, 04:44 PM
it really depends on what he did. im willing to bet he will never see a jail cell unless he raped her because his attorney is just to good and will tear that girl credibility. now that dosnt mean comish wont hand out his own punishment

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 04:44 PM
It came in as an example of the different standards for someone making 100+ mil vs someone making 30K. I don't think that difference in standards is a double standard or wrong. I expect that someone getting paid that much more money will act differently as the face of my company vs the guy at the bottom. That's not a double standard that's called value. I don't know why you brought up a license but so be it. :drink:

That's fine, and I do get where you're coming from. I know people who are wealthier are going to be more scrutinized than regular joes...I'm just saying I don't agree with it is all. If I expect them to be treated the same when it comes to a criminal offense, then I'm going to treat them the same in other regards. I do realize that not everyone does though. Me, I just worry about mine and my daughters actions.

As far as the license goes...it was just part of his whole motorcycle fiasco. He didn't have a valid motorcycle riding permit and was w/o a helmet. Was just stating the facts.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 04:47 PM
It seems to me that it lends credence to the notion that she may be simply trying to score a payday. I know a lot of people don't want to hear that since the majority of posts in these threads have been dedicated to dumping on Ben, but it's a possibility which is just as plausible as the notion that Ben broke the law at this point.
very good point 76. its a criminal case right now and the victim wouldnt need to hire her own atty at this point unless she and her parents are planning on filing a civil suit also.

memphissteelergirl
03-08-2010, 04:57 PM
uh oh, the girl has lawyered up... this isnt good

Hope it wasn't Gloria "The Feminist Shrew" Allred. :mad:

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 04:58 PM
Hope it wasn't Gloria "The Feminist Shrew" Allred. :mad:
oh lord. you know i bet she was hunting the girl down when this broke..:chuckle:

Steel Mountain
03-08-2010, 04:59 PM
Please understand that this is just my 2 cents from hundreds of miles away. Could Ben forcibly rape a girl in a crowded bar w/o ANYONE hearing some screaming or commotion? I doubt it. Is it possible that he stuck it to her in some secluded area? Yes. W/O screaming and commotion, that would lead one to believe it was consensual...at the time. Is it possible that said drunk chick either regretted her decision OR saw dollar signs an hour later? Sure. I would submit that if a female allows sexual contact and then expects money afterward...I believe the dictionary describes her as a *****. If Ben in fact "raped her" then by all means, throw the book at him. By all means Ben needs to pull his sophomoric head out of his ass, but having his head there aint no crime far as I know.
Now if he just did something wrong like kissing up on her, unwanted advances and such. Yes that is sexual assault and should be punished as such. This young girl needs to realize just how bad she is about to be dragged through media mud and ask herself an honest question. Is what Ben did such a crime that you are willing to put yourself through HELL to prosecute w/ a 50/50 chance of a payday? At only 20 and drinking in a bar, I think that this young lady needs some really good advice and alcohol counseling. I will bet that either charges are dropped or later found to be eroneous.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 05:00 PM
Agreed it was useless...all they said was she has a lawyer and that they would be interviewing people and investigating it, all things we already knew. But how are they not doing a proper job?
Well the thing is that they should have already interviewed everybody by now and not waiting like this. That's a bit of a mistake. Sexual assault is something that police take seriously and shouldn't be just letting it go as they are. They should be viewing the tapes, they should have interviewed everyone already, etc.

memphissteelergirl
03-08-2010, 05:00 PM
oh lord. you know i bet she was hunting the girl down when this broke..:chuckle:

LOL....you know it! :chuckle:

OneForTheToe
03-08-2010, 05:01 PM
I find it really surprising. In a criminal case you have the District Attorney as your attorney, there is no need for her to have an attorney unless she intends to sue him civilly. And that is where the money comes from. I guess maybe it's not so surprising, but I find it to be odd that she has one so soon before charges are even filed. I guess they know more than we do of what happened. Seems to me that this is very serious. I think Ben is in some serious trouble.

The District Attorney is not the attorney for the victim in a criminal case.A DA is the attorney for the state. If you have an attorney, among other things they must carry out your wishes, unless they are unethical or illegal. A DA can drop or prosecute a case regardless of the wishes of the victim. In addition, if a plea is offered, they will generally go to the victim and explain the situation and try to get the victim to agree, but ultimately a DA can accept a plea from a defendant regardless of how the victim feels. So, no a DA is not an attorney for victim.

The hiring of an attorney by the alleged victim in this case could signal forethought for a civil case. If you are planning a civil suit, it is good if your attorney is involved from the start. However, if you can afford it, hiring a personal attorney to look out for your interest in a criminal case is actually pretty smart.

supa_fly_steeler
03-08-2010, 05:11 PM
chads tweet about roethlisberger

WTF! Will these damn women leave the homie Ben Rothlisberger alone, damn you say hello that sexual harrasment, GTFOH

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 05:12 PM
if anyone is listening to the drive on 1250, a few people have come up with a very good defense if charges are brought against ben....

due to the fact of the number of concussions ben has sustained he could have damage the frontal lobe of the brain. the frontal lobe controls your judgement and due to the head hits could have caused him to change ...

its very interesting to know that. just thought i would throw that out there.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 05:16 PM
chads tweet about roethlisberger

WTF! Will these damn women leave the homie Ben Rothlisberger alone, damn you say hello that sexual harrasment, GTFOH

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 05:19 PM
chads tweet about roethlisberger

WTF! Will these damn women leave the homie Ben Rothlisberger alone, damn you say hello that sexual harrasment, GTFOH
you have to love chad....lol... maybe ben needs to hire chad to be one of his homies..lol

Fire Haley
03-08-2010, 05:22 PM
Refresh time

Ben and his little girls

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/03/0305_big_ben_photo_launch_exp.jpg

plenewken
03-08-2010, 05:23 PM
if anyone is listening to the drive on 1250, a few people have come up with a very good defense if charges are brought against ben....

due to the fact of the number of concussions ben has sustained he could have damage the frontal lobe of the brain. the frontal lobe controls your judgement and due to the head hits could have caused him to change ...

its very interesting to know that. just thought i would throw that out there.

Not only it's not been proven scientifically but even if it was, it wouldn't be very smart to go this route. If concussions impaired his judgment for legal purposes, they'd also impair his judgment on the field and this would be grounds for the F0 to cut him without any compensation.

By the way, I don't know if it's the concussions but something impaired his judgement in terms of what's appropriate to wear. I'm not particularly stiff (I'm a biker) but wearing a t-shirt with a large devil on the front ain't the smartest thing to do when you're a $100M QB and you claim to have strong Christian values.
I don't know if he has a PR/Image agent but if he doesn't, he should hire one.

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 05:26 PM
Chad...Ochocinco (Johnson)?

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 05:33 PM
Not only it's not been proven scientifically but even if it was, it wouldn't be very smart to go this route. If concussions impaired his judgment for legal purposes, they'd also impair his judgment on the field and this would be grounds for the F0 to cut him without any compensation.
that is true. but if you are a defense atty you will look at everything.

supa_fly_steeler
03-08-2010, 05:42 PM
Chad...Ochocinco (Johnson)?

the johnson under my waist.

Yes of course Chad Ocho Stinko lol

Prok
03-08-2010, 06:23 PM
I think no matter how ya slice it, at this stage, ya just gotta believe nothing good for Ben AND the Steelers org comes out of this. Not from here on out.

His public image is damn near wasted. Most all the time when you have this many fans at least questioning a person's judgement, there is good reason for it.

Something definately happened between those 2. And whatever it was (the extent we don't know) it was NOT good.

Ben gets one of the top high profile lawyers in the country, this chick gets an attorney.... You can bet the farm that there is fire to this smoke trail.

And this abso-freakin'-lutely DISGUSTS and SADDENS me. I consider myself a HUGE Big Ben fan. I STILL love the player and think he's one of the very best. And he's on OUR team. He's OUR franchise QB.

But whatever transpired down in Georgia has got me feeling quite upset. And no I do NOT know all the facts. And i will not pass judgment until all the facts come out. But my gut instinct tells me that based on what we have all seen transpire over the last few days, not even the most optimistic of us can pro-claim Ben completely innocent.

Soooooo..... I'm left feeling deeply saddened and disappointed. More than I have ever felt in a long time.

Why? Because something bad happened to one of our greats. And it happened down in Georgia a few days ago. And there's no disputing that nothing good will come out of this. The legacy of one Big Ben Roethlisberger, Steeler GREAT QB, has been forever tarnished...

/end rant

:help:

pete74
03-08-2010, 06:27 PM
I think no matter how ya slice it, at this stage, ya just gotta believe nothing good for Ben AND the Steelers org comes out of this. Not from here on out.

His public image is damn near wasted. Most all the time when you have this many fans at least questioning a person's judgement, there is good reason for it.

Something definately happened between those 2. And whatever it was (the extent we don't know) it was NOT good.

Ben gets one of the top high profile lawyers in the country, this chick gets an attorney.... You can bet the farm that there is fire to this smoke trail.

And this abso-freakin'-lutely DISGUSTS and SADDENS me. I consider myself a HUGE Big Ben fan. I STILL love the player and think he's one of the very best. And he's on OUR team. He's OUR franchise QB.

But whatever transpired down in Georgia has got me feeling quite upset. And no I do NOT know all the facts. And i will not pass judgment until all the facts come out. But my gut instinct tells me that based on what we have all seen transpire over the last few days, not even the most optimistic of us can pro-claim Ben completely innocent.

Soooooo..... I'm left feeling deeply saddened and disappointed. More than I have ever felt in a long time.

Why? Because something bad happened to one of our greats. And it happened down in Georgia a few days ago. And there's no disputing that nothing good will come out of this. The legacy of one Big Ben Roethlisberger, Steeler GREAT QB, has been forever tarnished...

/end rant

:help:

i agree. ray lewis was found not guilty on murder charges and i still see people here calling him a murderer all the time so im sure this will stick with ben forever being the 2nd time it happened

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 06:32 PM
....ray lewis was found not guilty on murder charges....

Mmmm, no, he copped to a lesser plea in exchange for ratting out a couple of his homies.

stillers4me
03-08-2010, 06:45 PM
chads tweet about roethlisberger

WTF! Will these damn women leave the homie Ben Rothlisberger alone, damn you say hello that sexual harrasment, GTFOH

For once, I love this man!! :applaudit:

And Ben, the next time a chick say's, "It's too big", that actually means "No". :chuckle:

OneForTheToe
03-08-2010, 06:48 PM
Mmmm, no, he copped to a lesser plea in exchange for ratting out a couple of his homies.


I think he pleaded to littering while someone he ordered stabbed was being run through.

pete74
03-08-2010, 06:57 PM
Mmmm, no, he copped to a lesser plea in exchange for ratting out a couple of his homies.

no they dropped the larger felony and he was convicted of the lesser charge(obstruction of justice). they didnt have a solid murder case so they pea bargined. they wouldnt just drop a murder case if they had solid evidence that he did it. they took what they could get

zulater
03-08-2010, 06:59 PM
uh oh, the girl has lawyered up... this isnt good

No actually I think that's great news. A "victim" who feels a need to lawyer up either has something to hide or is after something, and not neccessarily justice.

The best news I've heard since this story broke. :hatsoff:

tony hipchest
03-08-2010, 06:59 PM
Refresh time

Ben and his little girls

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/03/0305_big_ben_photo_launch_exp.jpg



X9uk9IcoQ0w

Prok
03-08-2010, 07:03 PM
OK I'm new here n all. I take it Killer is NOT a Steelers fan ??

pete74
03-08-2010, 07:04 PM
No actually I think that's great news. A "victim" who feels a need to lawyer up either has something to hide or is after something, and not neccessarily justice.

The best news I've heard since this story broke. :hatsoff:

yea im kinda confused on why she has a lawyer myself.

Fire Haley
03-08-2010, 07:05 PM
yea im kinda confused on why she has a lawyer myself.


You know she'll be filing a civil suit even if the criminal investigation goes nowhere....you just know it.

"I had to quit school I was so emotionally devastated"

That'll be $30 mil please.

pete74
03-08-2010, 07:07 PM
gurenteed. i dont care if charges are filed or not i gurentee the lawyer will convince her to file a civil suit even if she didnt want to

mesaSteeler
03-08-2010, 07:08 PM
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_670644.html

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Roethlisberger's attorney says Ben is innocent of any crime

By Carl Prine
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Monday, March 8, 2010

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — Cautioning the public to avoid rushing to judgment, Georgia authorities said today they continue to investigate allegations that Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger sexually assaulted a 20-year-old female student.

In an exclusive interview with the Tribune-Review, however, Roethlisberger's newly hired attorney — prominent Atlanta criminal defense lawyer Edward T.M. Garland — rushed to insist that his client "is completely innocent of any crime."

"The truth of events will cause this investigation to end without a charge," said Garland, who has represented other high-profile athletes and celebrities accused of serious crimes, including the murder probe involving Baltimore Ravens' linebacker Ray Lewis in 2000.

"I'm confident that law enforcement the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the local police and the district attorney will do a thorough evaluation of the facts in this case and that their conclusion will be that no crime was committed," said Garland.

Police and the DA, however, didn't go that far this afternoon.

In a press conference before a growing phalanx of reporters drawn to the small city about 80 miles south of Atlanta, Milledgeville Police Chief Woodrow Blue Jr., 53, said Roethlisberger and Garland were "cooperating with us in this investigation."

Asked specifically what aid Roethlisberger and his legal team were providing, beyond a Friday morning interview before the quarterback traveled to Pittsburgh, Blue said authorities would meet with the attorney and his client and around eight members of the star's entourage in "the next two to three days."

Roethlisberger owns a mansion on Lake Oconee, about 35 miles north of Milledgeville.

Blue said Roethlisberger hadn't given a DNA sample but that detectives would ask for it "at some point." His accuser was treated at the request of the officials Friday morning at the Oconee Regional Medical Center.

Tom Davis, 51, said his Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents would begin to review video surveillance tapes from "various businesses" visited by Roethlisberger, his entourage and the young woman during a pub crawl that began around 10 p.m. Thursday at the Velvet Elvis restaurant and ended around 2 a.m. Friday at the nearby Capital City dance club.

Both men said the unidentified woman specified Roethlisberger as her attacker, and said she hired an attorney, too, although they declined to name the lawyer. The woman's friends insist that she is reeling from the attack and that she detests the scandal and publicity. They continue to characterize her as a "victim."

Davis refused to speculate on the woman's credibility or say whether she submitted to a blood-alcohol test to determine whether she had been drinking. In Georgia, people as young as 18 can mix with drinkers in nightclubs, but laws bar them from being served.

Baldwin County District Attorney Frederic D. Bright released a statement saying the investigation continues, and that it "would be premature to make my decision at this time."

On Monday, Steelers President Art Rooney II also issued a statement: "All of us in the Steelers family are concerned about the recent incident involving Ben Roethlisberger in Georgia. We cannot comment on any of the specifics until law enforcement's investigation is concluded."

Carl Prine can be reached at cprine@tribweb.com or 412-320-7826.

Nadroj 20
03-08-2010, 07:10 PM
Thanks for update mesa

mesaSteeler
03-08-2010, 07:13 PM
Thanks for update mesa

You are welcome.

stillers4me
03-08-2010, 07:15 PM
Does the police press conferences remind anybody else of My Cousin Vinnie?

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 07:20 PM
no they dropped the larger felony and he was convicted of the lesser charge(obstruction of justice). they didnt have a solid murder case so they pea bargined. they wouldnt just drop a murder case if they had solid evidence that he did it. they took what they could get

Right. Keep on believing that. Why would he be compelled to testify against the two other defendants if they didn't have enough on him to make the murder charges stick? In fact, if the case were that flimsy for the prosecution, why would he be compelled to plea bargain at all?

pete74
03-08-2010, 07:23 PM
Right. Keep on believing that. Why would he be compelled to testify against the two other defendants if they didn't have enough on him to make the murder charges stick?

because they had other charges. do you really belive they had evidence on all 3 but decided to let one completly walk? not in america. yes there are plea bargins on murder cases but your not walking free unless your bringing down the entire mafia then hitting wittness protection. but you can keep on beliving whatever you want as you put it

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 07:26 PM
Right. Keep on believing that. Why would he be compelled to testify against the two other defendants if they didn't have enough on him to make the murder charges stick? In fact, if the case were that flimsy for the prosecution, why would he be compelled to plea bargain at all?

SO let's get this straight, Ray is a murderer even though he was never convicted, but we are to believe that Ben is innocent of everything even though this is the 2nd time? I'm a Steelers fan too but let's try to maintain some sense of neutrality. You really think a DA is going to let a strong murder charge go away?

pete74
03-08-2010, 07:27 PM
SO let's get this straight, Ray is a murderer even though he was never convicted, but we are to believe that Ben is innocent of everything even though this is the 2nd time? I'm a Steelers fan too but let's try to maintain some sense of neutrality. You really think a DA is going to let a strong murder charge go away?

agreed. we cant be hypicrites here

mesaSteeler
03-08-2010, 07:28 PM
Roethlisberger must understand fame has perks and responsibilities
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2010-03-08-roethlisberger_N.htm
By Mike Lopresti, Gannett

So now we wait to see what kind of fine mess the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback might have gotten himself into.

Or let's put the question another way.

Where there's smoke, is there Ben Roethlisberger?

He now has as many sexual assault accusers as Super Bowl rings. That 2-2 ratio is pretty hard to miss, so no wonder the sudden attention on Milledgeville, Ga. It is never a good sign when an NFL team is waiting to hear from the chief of police.

Disclaimers are quickly needed. The charges might be groundless. Roethlisberger might be innocent. We can't say. We don't know. Judging by the length of the press conference by police officials in Milledgeville on Monday — nearly three downs and out — they don't know yet either.

Before anyone rushes to judgment, here are three words to remember.

Duke lacrosse team.

But it seems enough is out there now to reasonably make one call.

The Steelers need to have a long talk with their quarterback.

Mention the Steelers' brand name and what enduring qualities come to mind? Besides a lobby full of Lombardi trophies? Stability, sound decision-making, a business-like mentality. Theirs is a cornerstone franchise, admired not only for its hardware, but its ability to avoid embarrassing headlines.

To behave otherwise is especially conspicuous in Pittsburgh. Roethlisberger's precise actions last weekend are for the justice system to sort through, but the flaws in his thought process are a good bit more transparent.

In other words, if only his judgment rating was as high as his passing rating.

Time for a heart-to-heart with the bosses. The Steelers shouldn't want for topics of conversation with Roethlisberger. Here are a few salient points they could stress.

•No. 1. In case you haven't caught on yet, you're a celebrity and public figure. That comes with many, many perks, but also unusual restraints.

You can't just roam the world like everyone else. Too many potential things can go wrong.

We're not saying you're a sex abuser. That's up to the police and courts. We are saying at the very least you've been acting like a knucklehead, walking yourself into quicksand.

Don't like the realities of fishbowl living?

Become a plumber.

•No. 2. You're 28 years old. This was a college bar you were cruising with your entourage.

If you're smart enough to find the holes in the Baltimore Ravens secondary, you should be able to figure out what is wrong with that picture.

You're too old and too famous for Animal House.

•No. 3. Your quarterback résumé has always included a degree of reckless abandon. On the field, you're big and strong enough to handle it. It's part of your swashbuckler image.

Off the field, swashbucklers sometimes land on their own swords.

Apparently, the motorcycle accident didn't teach you that.

Neither did the first sexual abuse allegation. Perhaps seeing the Georgia investigators comb through your actions Friday morning might get the point across.

•No. 4. In some ways, you were fortunate the last time your name ended up in the same paragraph as "sexual abuse allegation." That didn't blow up into a tabloid frenzy; maybe because of your championships, maybe because you've been regarded as basically a decent guy.

But rest assured, free passes do not last forever.

•No. 5. The Steelers stand for something solid, and a lot of really good players have helped build that legacy. Also, the fans of Pittsburgh worship the turf you scramble on.

Never mind the media. Never mind your new expensive lawyer. You owe your predecessors and your public something better than this.

•No. 6. You are quarterback for one of the NFL's flagship franchises, you have survived a bad accident, won two Super Bowls, are financially set for life and still young enough for more glory.

You're a pretty lucky man. Try not to blow it.

•No. 7. The hope is this turns out to be nothing. But one question must be asked.

We think we know you.

Do we?

(Damn fine article. - mesa)

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 07:28 PM
SO let's get this straight, Ray is a murderer even though he was never convicted, but we are to believe that Ben is innocent of everything even though this is the 2nd time? I'm a Steelers fan too but let's try to maintain some sense of neutrality.

Never said that. I simply stated that Lewis was never found "not guilty" of murder, which is a fact. And I also stated that I'm not defending Ben, but I haven't "convicted" him like about 75% of the people here already have. That's all.

pete74
03-08-2010, 07:31 PM
Roethlisberger must understand fame has perks and responsibilities
Posted 59m ago | Comments 3 | Recommend E-mail | Save | Print | Subscribe to stories like this
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/lopresti/2010-03-08-roethlisberger_N.htm
By Mike Lopresti, Gannett

So now we wait to see what kind of fine mess the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback might have gotten himself into.

Or let's put the question another way.

Where there's smoke, is there Ben Roethlisberger?

He now has as many sexual assault accusers as Super Bowl rings. That 2-2 ratio is pretty hard to miss, so no wonder the sudden attention on Milledgeville, Ga. It is never a good sign when an NFL team is waiting to hear from the chief of police.

Disclaimers are quickly needed. The charges might be groundless. Roethlisberger might be innocent. We can't say. We don't know. Judging by the length of the press conference by police officials in Milledgeville on Monday — nearly three downs and out — they don't know yet either.

Before anyone rushes to judgment, here are three words to remember.

Duke lacrosse team.

But it seems enough is out there now to reasonably make one call.

The Steelers need to have a long talk with their quarterback.

Mention the Steelers' brand name and what enduring qualities come to mind? Besides a lobby full of Lombardi trophies? Stability, sound decision-making, a business-like mentality. Theirs is a cornerstone franchise, admired not only for its hardware, but its ability to avoid embarrassing headlines.

To behave otherwise is especially conspicuous in Pittsburgh. Roethlisberger's precise actions last weekend are for the justice system to sort through, but the flaws in his thought process are a good bit more transparent.

In other words, if only his judgment rating was as high as his passing rating.

Time for a heart-to-heart with the bosses. The Steelers shouldn't want for topics of conversation with Roethlisberger. Here are a few salient points they could stress.

•No. 1. In case you haven't caught on yet, you're a celebrity and public figure. That comes with many, many perks, but also unusual restraints.

You can't just roam the world like everyone else. Too many potential things can go wrong.

We're not saying you're a sex abuser. That's up to the police and courts. We are saying at the very least you've been acting like a knucklehead, walking yourself into quicksand.

Don't like the realities of fishbowl living?

Become a plumber.

•No. 2. You're 28 years old. This was a college bar you were cruising with your entourage.

If you're smart enough to find the holes in the Baltimore Ravens secondary, you should be able to figure out what is wrong with that picture.

You're too old and too famous for Animal House.

•No. 3. Your quarterback résumé has always included a degree of reckless abandon. On the field, you're big and strong enough to handle it. It's part of your swashbuckler image.

Off the field, swashbucklers sometimes land on their own swords.

Apparently, the motorcycle accident didn't teach you that.

Neither did the first sexual abuse allegation. Perhaps seeing the Georgia investigators comb through your actions Friday morning might get the point across.

•No. 4. In some ways, you were fortunate the last time your name ended up in the same paragraph as "sexual abuse allegation." That didn't blow up into a tabloid frenzy; maybe because of your championships, maybe because you've been regarded as basically a decent guy.

But rest assured, free passes do not last forever.

•No. 5. The Steelers stand for something solid, and a lot of really good players have helped build that legacy. Also, the fans of Pittsburgh worship the turf you scramble on.

Never mind the media. Never mind your new expensive lawyer. You owe your predecessors and your public something better than this.

•No. 6. You are quarterback for one of the NFL's flagship franchises, you have survived a bad accident, won two Super Bowls, are financially set for life and still young enough for more glory.

You're a pretty lucky man. Try not to blow it.

•No. 7. The hope is this turns out to be nothing. But one question must be asked.

We think we know you.

Do we?mn fine article. - mesa)



good post bro

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 07:34 PM
For once, I love this man!! :applaudit:

And Ben, the next time a chick say's, "It's too big", that actually means "No". :chuckle:

that is a nice of putting it stillers..lol. you crack me up.

Does the police press conferences remind anybody else of My Cousin Vinnie?
that is a good comparsion... and can someone please get someone to teach the police chief how to pronounce ben's last name.:chuckle:

WindyCitySteelerFan
03-08-2010, 07:46 PM
Memo to Ben -

Please, for the love of god, start taking consent forms with you to bars. You're a celebrity football player, the women see dollar signs in your eyes while your banging them, ok?

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 07:47 PM
Memo to Ben -

Please, for the love of god, start taking consent forms with you to bars. You're a celebrity football player, the women see dollar signs while your banging them, ok?
or better yet ben just stop going to the bars looking for yingyang.:wink02:

pete74
03-08-2010, 07:49 PM
or better yet ben just stop going to the bars looking for yingyang.:wink02:

exactly. stop hooking up with these party girls and start looking for something like tom brady has

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 07:51 PM
exactly. stop hooking up with these party girls and start looking for something like tom brady has
yeah, or heck just stop looking at all, that is when you usually find the right person.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 08:26 PM
exactly. stop hooking up with these party girls and start looking for something like tom brady has

An illegitimate kid? :noidea:

WindyCitySteelerFan
03-08-2010, 08:26 PM
yeah, or heck just stop looking at all, that is when you usually find the right person.

So what, he likes dumb trashy bar girls... He's living the bachelor dream ! I won't knock him for that... I don't judge, I live vicariously through his actions. LOL

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 08:34 PM
could this be a set up for a civil case too?

KDKA-TV's Paul Martino reports the alleged victim is so upset she's considering dropping out of college.

+NuBbS+
03-08-2010, 08:35 PM
i think we all know ben isnt going anywhere... if stallworth can come back and play after getting charged with vehicular manslaughter, then this is extremely minor. and im not bashing the ravens or stallworth. im just saying we need to keep this in perspective. if we get rid of ben, we wont see a superbowl again lol

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 08:37 PM
could this be a set up for a civil case too?

KDKA-TV's Paul Martino reports the alleged victim is so upset she's considering dropping out of college.

Oh no, not at all. And the fact that she's already retained her own lawyer? Think nothing of it. See, she's just a poor victim and Ben is an inhuman rapist monster. :rolleyes:

NEPAsteeler
03-08-2010, 08:43 PM
I'll post here what I just posted on my facebook page... In my opinion, this chick just wants his money. However, he really needs to grow up and pick better places to hang out. He needs to wise up and stop getting himself into trouble in the offseason. You're the franchise QB of one of the most successful NFL teams in history, Ben. Start acting like it.