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fansince'76
03-08-2010, 07:44 PM
I'll post here what I just posted on my facebook page... In my opinion, this chick just wants his money. However, he really needs to grow up and pick better places to hang out. He needs to wise up and stop getting himself into trouble in the offseason. You're the franchise QB of one of the most successful NFL teams in history, Ben. Start acting like it.

Agreed on both counts. Ben needs to begin occupying his time pursuing WOMEN, not GIRLS.

stillers4me
03-08-2010, 07:45 PM
Oh no, not at all. And the fact that she's already retained her own lawyer? Think nothing of it. See, she's just a poor victim and Ben is an inhuman rapist monster. :rolleyes:

It's the offseason. Let the raping and pillaging begin.

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 07:48 PM
Ben just needs to find a good madame to get his women for him. Maybe Eliot Spitzer could refer him to some people? :noidea:

Texasteel
03-08-2010, 07:57 PM
It's the offseason. Let the raping and pillaging begin.

I just read a book that stated that the Vikings use to do that all the time.

NEPAsteeler
03-08-2010, 07:59 PM
Agreed on both counts. Ben needs to begin occupying his time pursuing WOMEN, not GIRLS.

I agree with you 110% on that.

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 07:59 PM
I just read a book that stated that the Vikings use to do that all the time.

On party boats!

Rick5895
03-08-2010, 09:01 PM
Here is another thought, ....... oh btw the following might get me crucified in cyber space but here goes, .........
Trade Big Ben for a #1. My first thought would be to Miami for Henne and the Fish'es #1.
Ben is a great QB but the unneccesary heat and BS he brings as the face of our franchise, the greatest in pro sports, isn't worth it. Ben, you're a great player and I love the way you play but the crap you bring on the Steelers just ain't worth it.

tony hipchest
03-08-2010, 09:26 PM
Here is another thought, ....... oh btw the following might get me crucified in cyber space but here goes, .........
Trade Big Ben for a #1. My first thought would be to Miami for Henne and the Fish'es #1.
Ben is a great QB but the unneccesary heat and BS he brings as the face of our franchise, the greatest in pro sports, isn't worth it. Ben, you're a great player and I love the way you play but the crap you bring on the Steelers just ain't worth it.

call me greedy, but those last 2 superbowl wins, a 15-1 season and another afcc game, a season with 30+ td's and another with 4000+ yards, 18 or so come from behind wins....

they were all worth it. :thumbsup:

oh... and ben to arizona for leinart and their #1 & #3.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 09:28 PM
I just read a book that stated that the Vikings use to do that all the time.
:chuckle:

Psyychoward86
03-08-2010, 09:29 PM
Here is another thought, ....... oh btw the following might get me crucified in cyber space but here goes, .........
Trade Big Ben for a #1. My first thought would be to Miami for Henne and the Fish'es #1.
Ben is a great QB but the unneccesary heat and BS he brings as the face of our franchise, the greatest in pro sports, isn't worth it. Ben, you're a great player and I love the way you play but the crap you bring on the Steelers just ain't worth it.

mommy always told me that you give people 3 chances :)

GBMelBlount
03-08-2010, 09:34 PM
pete74

exactly. stop hooking up with these party girls and start looking for something like tom brady has

Fansince76

An illegitimate kid? :noidea:

:rofl:

Seriously, Gary, you & killer are the only reason I can tolerate these threads. :chuckle:

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 09:35 PM
mommy always told me that you give people 3 chances :)
:chuckle:

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 10:08 PM
It's the offseason. Let the raping and pillaging begin.

Classic.

East End Safety
03-08-2010, 10:14 PM
This shouldn't surprise anyone who has been around the bar scene in Pittsburgh. The guy is a drunk ass son of a bitch. He is a classless phony. This kind of crap would've never happened under Chuck Noll. It's an insult to what Noll built in this city.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 10:44 PM
This kind of crap would've never happened under Chuck Noll.

You mean like Fats Holmes taking potshots at police helicopters? :rolleyes:

memphissteelergirl
03-08-2010, 11:09 PM
This shouldn't surprise anyone who has been around the bar scene in Pittsburgh. The guy is a drunk ass son of a bitch. He is a classless phony. This kind of crap would've never happened under Chuck Noll. It's an insult to what Noll built in this city.

Oh, please, my friend. I know that the Steelers organization's standards are higher than most of the other teams in the league, and I as a fan am very proud of that fact. But let's not delude ourselves into thinking that everyone that wore Black and Gold were the ultimate paragons of virtue. :rolleyes:

Having said that, I will not pretend that Ben's behavior even passes as acceptable. He has to realize that "to whom much is given, much is required." And it's not much to require that you behave like a decent human being.

tony hipchest
03-08-2010, 11:51 PM
if its any consolation, the last time ben 'raped' a girl we went on to win the superbowl. :hunch:

:tt02:

JEFF4i
03-09-2010, 02:50 AM
if its any consolation, the last time ben 'raped' a girl we went on to win the superbowl. :hunch:

:tt02:

I hadn't thought of it that way.

Honestly, I can't help but feel that this is all just illogical. Friends and bodyguards just stand around while he does it? Sure, there may be some proof that they did the nasty monkey dance, but any more just is irrational.

Oh, and I love how some people love accusing Ben of things when they have no freakin clue what they are talking about.

Rick5895
03-09-2010, 05:14 AM
call me greedy, but those last 2 superbowl wins, a 15-1 season and another afcc game, a season with 30+ td's and another with 4000+ yards, 18 or so come from behind wins....

they were all worth it. :thumbsup:

oh... and ben to arizona for leinart and their #1 & #3.


The superbowl wins aside, do the Steelers organization really need this bad publicity? Should we give him "1 more strike"? if this is found to be false.
I have read on here from others that he is a jack ass in Pittsburgh bars as well, while that is no crime, shouldn't the FO be trying to do something about his public behavior. It is beginning to appear to me that BB is one of those athletes that thinks he is bigger than the sport and above the law because he is a great player. We , as fans, criticize other teams for allowing players to run amok, now one of ours is doing it, do we take the same stand because BB is a Steeler.?
Hopefully this goes away, but I doubt it will, Ben has now made himself a bigger target.

BTW Tony, Lienart?? One party boy for another, lol. I will stick with my thought and bring in Henne, LOL>
:drink:

HometownGal
03-09-2010, 05:28 AM
]Oh, and I love how some people love accusing Ben of things when they have no freakin clue what they are talking about.

I agree. Accusations are being made by people who are simply speculating what happened without being given one shard of evidence as of this point. :banging: When the truth comes out in the wash, possibly THEN those who have passed judgment will have something to talk about.

No matter how this turns out, though, I think we can all agree that Ben really needs to use his noggin better and make better decisions.

BritishSteel
03-09-2010, 05:32 AM
I agree. Accusations are being made by people who are simply speculating what happened without being given one shard of evidence as of this point. :banging: When the truth comes out in the wash, possibly THEN those who have passed judgment will have something to talk about.

No matter how this turns out, though, I think we can all agree that Ben really needs to use his noggin better and make better decisions.

This.

The best thing that can happen is to let this play out and hope it does so quickly. Whatever the outcome (and we're all guessing) then a speedy resolution, one way or the other at least allows us to plan appropriately.

stillers4me
03-09-2010, 05:33 AM
From the large number of pictures in the internet showing Ben posing for pictures with fans that night, both male and female, it doesn't look like he was "being a jerk". A large number of them state he wasn't drinking, or just nursing a beer.

Too many fans in Pittsburgh think guys like Ben "owe them" a few minutes of their private time. Some of them. like Troy, are very gracious when approached, and that's just his nature. Still, I would never appoach one of them when they sat at a table with their dinner in front of them. Ben seems to always be accomadating to fans at bars, golf tournaments, etc. I don't blame him for wanting to eat his dinner in peace. For some reason, stories about Ben get blown out of proportion. He doesn't owe any of us a damn thing.

Sites like PFT thrive on contriversies about Ben Roethlisberger. Florio even thanked people for the high hit count on the day the news broke about Ben. Just for kicks and giggles, a month or so ago, I sent him the story about Ben footing the bill for those kids to play a football tournament in California, just to see what he did with it. Ben paid for their uniforms and their flights. Funny thing was that Florio never posted it for the world to see.

Go figure.

zulater
03-09-2010, 05:47 AM
This is how it will work, if Ben is charged, he'll almost certainly be suspeneded until such time as his case reaches a resolution. If not by the Steelers, certainly by the league, that's what they did with Plaxico. The Steelers will not want Ben at OTA's, training camp, or in their line-up until he proves he's not guilty of commiting felony sexual assualt.

No charges, no problem.

It's that simple.

zulater
03-09-2010, 05:52 AM
From the large number of pictures in the internet showing Ben posing for pictures with fans that night, both male and female, it doesn't look like he was "being a jerk". A large number of them state he wasn't drinking, or just nursing a beer.

Too many fans in Pittsburgh think guys like Ben "owe them" a few minutes of their private time. Some of them. like Troy, are very gracious when approached, and that's just his nature. Still, I would never appoach one of them when they sat at a table with their dinner in front of them. Ben seems to always be accomadating to fans at bars, golf tournaments, etc. I don't blame him for wanting to eat his dinner in peace. For some reason, stories about Ben get blown out of proportion. He doesn't owe any of us a damn thing.

Sites like PFT thrive on contriversies about Ben Roethlisberger. Florio even thanked people for the high hit count on the day the news broke about Ben. Just for kicks and giggles, a month or so ago, I sent him the story about Ben footing the bill for those kids to play a football tournament in California, just to see what he did with it. Ben paid for their uniforms and their flights. Funny thing was that Florio never posted it for the world to see.

Go figure.

Yeah I get sick of fans who call Ben a jerk because maybe he blew off their autograph request or didn't want to have his picture taken with them.

Outside of a quick nod, thumbs up or well done, I never approach a public figure or make demands of their time if they're off the clock ( so to speak).

mesaSteeler
03-09-2010, 05:55 AM
Georgia authorities: Don't rush to judgment on Roethlisberger
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_670726.html
By Carl Prine, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, March 9, 2010


About the writer

Carl Prine is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review staff writer and can be reached at 412-320-7826 or via e-mail.


MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. — Cautioning people to avoid rushing to judgment, Georgia authorities said Monday they continue to investigate allegations that Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger sexually assaulted a 20-year-old female student.

In an exclusive interview with the Tribune-Review, however, Roethlisberger's newly hired attorney — prominent Atlanta criminal defense lawyer Edward T.M. Garland — rushed to insist that his client "is completely innocent of any crime."

"The truth of events will cause this investigation to end without a charge," said Garland, who has represented other high-profile athletes and celebrities accused of serious crimes, including the murder probe involving Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis in 2000.

Police and the district attorney, however, didn't go that far yesterday afternoon. And friends of the unidentified Zeta Tau Alpha sorority student say she has taken down her Facebook page and wants to drop out of school .

In a news conference before a growing phalanx of reporters drawn to the small city about 80 miles south of Atlanta, Milledgeville police Chief Woodrow Blue Jr., 53, said Roethlisberger and Garland are "cooperating with us in this investigation."

Asked specifically what Roethlisberger and his legal team were providing investigators — beyond a Friday morning interview before the quarterback traveled to Pittsburgh — Blue said authorities would meet with Garland and his client and about eight members of the player's entourage in "the next two to three days."

Roethlisberger, 28, owns a mansion on Lake Oconee, about 35 miles north of Milledgeville.

Steelers President Art Rooney II issued a statement expressing concern about the incident, but said: "We cannot comment on any of the specifics until law enforcement's investigation is concluded."

Blue said Roethlisberger did not give a DNA sample but that detectives would ask for it "at some point." His accuser was treated Friday morning at the Oconee Regional Medical Center at the request of officials.

Tom Davis, 51, said his Georgia Bureau of Investigation agents would begin to review video surveillance tapes from "various businesses" Roethlisberger, his entourage and the young woman from the town's Georgia College & State University visited during a pub crawl that began about 10 p.m. Thursday at the Velvet Elvis restaurant and ended about 2 a.m. Friday at the nearby Capital City dance club.

"We were at the Velvet Elvis, and we were looking at all the girls. I'm not a big football fan, so I didn't know at first that he was Ben Roethlisberger, but it was interesting to see all the other guys looking at him," said Matt Morrill, 21, a student at Georgia Military Academy.

"The girls went over to The Brick, and then he goes over to The Brick, and the guys followed and they ended up at the Capital City. That's how it started."

The young woman reported to police after 2:30 a.m. Friday that Roethlisberger sexually assaulted her in a dark area abutting the Capital City's VIP room that neither bar patrons nor security cameras could see.

Authorities have declined to be specific about the allegations, other than to say they are investigating a reported sexual assault. They said the woman has hired an attorney whom they did not identify.

Residents say Milledgeville doesn't need the attention.

"To us, he (Roethlisberger) comes off as a spoiled brat, not a nice guy," said Austin John Miller, 23, a waiter at the popular Mellow Mushroom restaurant in Lake Oconee.

"Now, this is the biggest thing to happen to Milledgeville since the Civil War. But it's not something we want to have happened here."

Others doubt Roethlisberger did anything wrong.

"I was with him at the Velvet Elvis and the Capital City," said James Ramsey, 20, a student at Georgia Military Academy. "They wouldn't let guys into the VIP room — I guess we weren't cool enough — but he was very cool to us, very down to earth, very polite. He wasn't drinking.

"He wasn't looking for any trouble, and everywhere he went, he had these big bodyguards with him. Everywhere."

Davis refused to speculate on the woman's credibility or to say whether she submitted to a blood-alcohol test. In Georgia, people as young as 18 can mix with drinkers in nightclubs, but laws bar them from being served.

Baldwin County District Attorney Frederic D. Bright released a statement saying that the investigation continues and that it "would be premature to make my decision at this time."

It's the second allegation of sexual assault involving Roethlisberger to surface in eight months. A Nevada resort worker claimed in a civil lawsuit the quarterback attacked her in Lake Tahoe.

mesaSteeler
03-09-2010, 05:55 AM
Harris: Roethlisberger's troubles give Steelers pause
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_670708.html#
By John Harris
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, March 9, 2010

Steelers director of football operations Kevin Colbert has been fond of saying that drafting a quarterback isn't in the team's plans.

You couldn't blame Colbert for having second thoughts.

Maybe the Steelers should consider selecting a quarterback in next month's NFL Draft, or signing a veteran signal-caller -- just in case.

Because when it comes to Ben Roethlisberger, you never know.

Of course, the second incident in less than a year linking Roethlisberger with a sexual assault may turn out to be a false alarm if an investigation by Georgia law enforcement officials exonerates him.

But that doesn't mean life should return to normal as Roethlisberger and the Steelers know it.

How much, the Steelers have to be asking, is enough?

Roethlisberger isn't just any quarterback. He's the Steelers' franchise quarterback who won a pair of Super Bowls in his first six NFL seasons. He signed a $102 million contract two years ago, making him the face of the franchise.

That means Roethlisberger is the Steelers' most important player by virtue of his mega-salary and the position he plays on the field.

When people think of the Steelers, they naturally think of Roethlisberger.

What some of them are thinking right now isn't pretty or nice.

A picture taken of Roethlisberger -- wearing a shirt emblazoned with the devil on the night he was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year old college student last week in Milledgeville, Ga. -- spoke a thousand words.

It was in stark contrast to the image Roethlisberger portrayed upon joining the Steelers as the No. 11 pick in the 2004 draft -- one of a humble young man from a good Midwestern family who points skyward after touchdown passes as a way of honoring his maker.

Yes, Roethlisberger is entitled to live the way he pleases and see who he wants socially.

It's his life, his business.

However, it stops being his exclusive business when those alleged indiscretions have a negative impact on the Steelers, who have made him exceedingly rich and famous.

"The allegations are the allegations. It's the fact of the matter of getting yourself in that situation where the allegations come out," said Pittsburgh-based agent Ralph Cindrich, who has represented hundreds of NFL players in a career spanning more than three decades, including Steelers linebacker James Farrior.

"In my view," Cindrich said as to what he thinks Roethlisberger's next step should be, "you drop what you're doing, you get over to the Steelers offices and you apologize to the Rooney family, the head coach and every one of your teammates."

It's trying times like these when the Steelers must consider if the hefty cost of doing business with Roethlisberger is worth it.

This must surely feel like deja vu to the Steelers' brass, who I'm certain had a serious heart-to-heart discussion with Roethlisberger last offseason after a woman charged him with sexual assault at a Lake Tahoe hotel and casino.

Roethlisberger strongly denied those allegations.

On Monday, Roethlisberger's new criminal defense lawyer, Edward T.M. Garland -- who defended Ray Lewis of the Baltimore Ravens against murder charges in 2000 -- said Roethlisberger is innocent of all charges.

Even if Roethlisberger isn't charged by police, the Steelers should be concerned enough to examine their quarterback situation more closely.

Remember, the civil case against Roethlisberger in Nevada is still pending.

Are the Steelers thoroughly convinced that these two incidents are isolated -- or exhibit a disturbing pattern of behavior displayed by the highest-paid player in franchise history?

Has Dennis Dixon, who started one game in his first two seasons, shown enough to be considered a suitable replacement if legal problems derail Roethlisberger? How comfortable are the Steelers with Dixon leading the offense?

I'm all for the Steelers not rushing to judgment against Roethlisberger. But the NFL is a business, and, like it or not, the Steelers have to prepare for the unknown.

Sending a strong message of disapproval to Roethlisberger by acquiring another quarterback could be the best way to get his attention.

John Harris can be reached at jharris@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

mesaSteeler
03-09-2010, 05:57 AM
Steeler quarterback not scrimping on his legal defense
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_670722.html
By Jason Cato, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, March 9, 2010

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When high-profile people get into high-profile trouble in Georgia, many turn to criminal defense attorney Edward T.M. Garland.

One magazine nicknamed him "Atlanta's Perry Mason," and another gave him the title: "The Best Attorney to Get You Out of Big Trouble."

Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has joined the list of celebrity athletes who have turned to Garland in the Peach State.

"Down there, I wouldn't hire anybody else," said Jay Reisinger, a Downtown sports law attorney.

Garland has investigators combing Milledgeville, the rural college town about 80 miles southeast of Atlanta where Roethlisberger, 28, is accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old sorority member early Friday in a bar. Roethlisberger has not been charged.

"I'm confident that law enforcement — the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the local police and the district attorney — will do a thorough evaluation of the facts in this case and that their conclusion will be that no crime was committed," Garland told the Tribune-Review.

Reisinger said he has consulted Garland for help, though he declined to name the clients.

"He's really good at what he does," Reisinger said.

Diane O'Steen, executive director of the Atlanta Bar Association, heard on news talk radio that Roethlisberger hired a "well-known midtown Atlanta lawyer."

"I knew the name before the announcer said it," O'Steen said. "Either Ed, or Don Samuel."

Roethlisberger retained both, meaning his defense team includes two-thirds of the named partners at Garland, Samuel & Loeb.

"I have known Ed probably since he has been practicing law," O'Steen said. "He is as well-respected by the entire Atlanta legal community as any other lawyer or judge in our area, in my opinion."

Garland's father was a renowned criminal defense attorney. Reuben Garland successfully defended a group of white supremacists accused of a 1958 bombing at Atlanta's Hebrew Benevolent Society, a Reform congregation commonly called the Temple.

The bombing and the Garland family's 16,000-square-foot mansion were featured in the 1989 Academy Award-winning film "Driving Miss Daisy." The Italian Renaissance Revival house, built in 1911, was used as a nursing home in the film.

Ed Garland earned his undergraduate and law degrees from the University of Georgia and has practiced law since 1965.

His resume reads as might be expected for someone selected as one of the "Best Lawyers in America" since 1983. He has been on the State Bar of Georgia's board of governors since 1988.

Samuel made the best lawyers list 19 times. He has been with the firm since 1982 and has written three books on criminal law.

In addition to celebrity athletes, the two have represented:

• Clifford Harris Jr., known as rapper T.I., who in 2009 pleaded guilty to federal weapons charges and received a year-and-a-day prison term instead of the 15 years he faced.

• Jim Williams, the Savannah antiques dealer whose murder trial was chronicled in the book "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil." Williams was acquitted after four trials.

• James Vincent Sullivan, a millionaire who in 2006 avoided the death penalty after a jury convicted him of hiring a hitman to kill his wife in 1987.

"They're about as good as they get," said Atlanta attorney Maubir "Manny" Arora, who spent six years at Garland, Samuel & Loeb. "Ed is the dean of the criminal bar down here. Ron is the scholar."

Arora declined to say what Garland's firm typically charges celebrity clients.

"It's not going to be cheap," Arora said.

"They work incredibly hard, and they are incredibly bright," Arora said. "Because of their skills, they often get favorable outcomes (for) their clients. ... Roethlisberger couldn't do any better."

pete74
03-09-2010, 05:59 AM
Yeah I get sick of fans who call Ben a jerk because maybe he blew off their autograph request or didn't want to have his picture taken with them.

Outside of a quick nod, thumbs up or well done, I never approach a public figure or make demands of their time if they're off the clock ( so to speak).

agreed. i used to bump into lavar arrington, bettis, jason gildon, jager and a few others all the time and i never once approched them or any other pro athletes to ask for a photo or autograph. i spoke with bettis a few times because we had a mutual friend but i never once put him on the spot nor would i ever. there normal people to me. there no different then me and thats how i treat them. of course i love football(and hockey) but when there not in uniform there just normal people

Rick5895
03-09-2010, 06:19 AM
Once again, I re iterate that I think Ben is innocent. But the fact remains Ben is not thinking and making very poor decisions. For me this goes beyond football, One day BB will find himself in a jackpot he cannot get himself (or his lawyers ) out of, and it will cost him . Perhaps the best thing for Ben long term would be for the Steelers to trade him. Maybe then he would "wake up" and change the way he acts. I know that is not popular and as a life long Steeler fan I never want to see him leave, but this is bigger than football. Maybe the reality of no longer being a Steeler, the greatest organization is sport, will force him to change the situations he puts himself in.
At this point I am worried for him, even if this recent allegation is found with out merit, his target is just getting bigger and it will be only a matter of time before something sticks to him, guilty or not.

steeldawg
03-09-2010, 07:53 AM
What do you mean by being ok? So you have the bucks to get yourself outta legal trouble and that makes you ok? Not in my book and I don't think in the Rooney's book either.
You don't have to be a West Point Grad to assume that people typically don't hire prominent lawyers when they're completely innocent and when no proof of culpability whatsoever can be brought against them.
Let's wait for more official information but at this point, it sure doesn't smell good for Big Ben.

This is not true you hire lawyers to protect yourself regardless of wether your innocent or guilty,,, Is ben going to represent himself if charges are filed ? of course not so lets stop with ben is guilty cause he hired a lawyer.

atlsteelers
03-09-2010, 07:53 AM
Roethlisberger investigation continues; QB's lawyers don't expect sexual assault charges
ShareThisPrint E-mail By Rhonda Cook and Christian Boone


The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Milledgeville police say they expect to interview Ben Roethlisberger within the next "two to three days" regarding a sexual assault allegation, though the quarterback's attorney doesn't expect any charges will be filed.

"[Roethlisberger attorney Ed Garland] advised us this morning that he is in the process of making arrangements for us to interview Mr. Roethlisberger and all of the individuals that were present with him when the alleged incident occurred," Milledgeville Police Chief Woodrow Blue said in an afternoon press conference.

Ocmulgee Judicial Circuit District Attorney Frederic D. Bright said he plans eight more interviews before deciding whether to file charges. A 20-year-old Georgia College & State University sophomore reported that she was "sexually assaulted or sexually manipulated" by a man she described as 6-foot-5 and 241 pounds. Blue said she has identified Roethlisberger as her attacker. The pair were seen at “multiple establishments” in Milledgeville late Thursday, according to police.

"The investigation is ongoing," Bright said in a statement. "It would be premature to make any announcement at this time."

Garland said he was confident his client will be exonerated.

"The facts show that there was no criminal activity," the veteran defense attorney told the AJC. "No sexual assault occurred. Ben is completely innocent of any crime. The truth of the events should cause this investigation to end without a criminal charge. I will not go into detail at this time, but will in the future."

Police interviewed Roethlisberger, 28, on Friday and allowed him to leave the state. Over the weekend he hired Garland and Don Samuel to represent him.

Samuel, Garland and their firm have represented several high-profile sports stars and entertainers in criminal cases.

In 2000, Garland and Samuel represented Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis, who was charged with murder in a Buckhead street fight following the Super Bowl. In mid-trial, on June 5, 2000, Fulton County prosecutors dropped the murder charges against Lewis, allowing him to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge.

Just weeks after the Ray Lewis case ended, Garland and Samuel were retained by another Baltimore Raven, Atlanta native Jamal Lewis, who was accused of a federal drug conspiracy. The All-Pro running back pleaded guilty four years later to a misdemeanor (using a cellphone to make a drug transaction) and was sentenced to four months in a minimum-security prison, which was served in the off-season.

Another Garland-Samuel client, former Atlanta Thrasher Dany Heatley, was charged with vehicular homicide in 2003 but pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor in the car crash that killed teammate Dan Snyder. They also represented rapper T.I. on gun charges.

Roethlisberger, meanwhile, is being sued by a Reno woman, Andrea McNulty, who claims the QB sexually assaulted her in 2008. The two-time Super Bowl winner denied the allegation, saying "I would never, ever force myself on a woman" during a July 2009 press conference.

-- Staff writer Bill Rankin contributed to this report.

atlsteelers
03-09-2010, 07:56 AM
At least ben got the best attorney available.

steeldawg
03-09-2010, 08:06 AM
What does her having a fake ID have to do with his poor decision making? :noidea:

What decision making are you talking about? you keep throwing this around like it means something. First the first ALLEGED assaualt to place at nice hotel alone in his room. Second ALLEGED assaualt happened in a public place so you tell me what is a guy supposed to do.

plenewken
03-09-2010, 08:15 AM
.........so you tell me what is a guy supposed to do.

Stay away from the ladies bathroom for a start.

steeldawg
03-09-2010, 08:20 AM
The superbowl wins aside, do the Steelers organization really need this bad publicity? Should we give him "1 more strike"? if this is found to be false.
I have read on here from others that he is a jack ass in Pittsburgh bars as well, while that is no crime, shouldn't the FO be trying to do something about his public behavior. It is beginning to appear to me that BB is one of those athletes that thinks he is bigger than the sport and above the law because he is a great player. We , as fans, criticize other teams for allowing players to run amok, now one of ours is doing it, do we take the same stand because BB is a Steeler.?
Hopefully this goes away, but I doubt it will, Ben has now made himself a bigger target.

BTW Tony, Lienart?? One party boy for another, lol. I will stick with my thought and bring in Henne, LOL>
:drink:

Wouldnt you be a jerk too, if after everytime you had sex with a girl you had to retain a lawyer.

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 08:22 AM
Stay away from the ladies bathroom for a start.

Have you read anything to establish that Ben was definitely in the ladies restroom? There has been so much written about this I may have missed it.

plenewken
03-09-2010, 08:43 AM
Have you read anything to establish that Ben was definitely in the ladies restroom? There has been so much written about this I may have missed it.

Yes I read it. Has it been fully and officially established? No. Is it pure speculation? No.

What has been officially established so far:
1) Ben was in the VIP section of a Club with a group of friends and invited young female patrons to join them
2) One of the young female patrons called the cops after an alleged sexual assault by Ben Roethlisberger. She told the cops that the assault took place in the ladies bathroom.
3) She was taken to a local hospital to be examined and treated
4) Ben hired a prominent criminal lawyer to defend him against this allegation.
5) The young female patron hired a lawyer too.
6) The criminal investigation is on-going.

Steel_12
03-09-2010, 08:46 AM
I hadn't thought of it that way.

Honestly, I can't help but feel that this is all just illogical. Friends and bodyguards just stand around while he does it? Sure, there may be some proof that they did the nasty monkey dance, but any more just is irrational.

Oh, and I love how some people love accusing Ben of things when they have no freakin clue what they are talking about.

I think most "friends" in his entorage aren't going to jeapordize their place by telling him that he's wrong. Ideally, it would be great for him to have friends who would tell him that he shouldn't be in a women's bathroom with some drunk chick. But oh well...he has to deal with this and let's pray that he keeps his hands to himself from now on!

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 08:49 AM
Yes I read it. Has it been fully and officially established? No. Is it pure speculation? No.

What has been officially established so far:
1) Ben was in the VIP section of a Club with a group of friends and invited young female patrons to join them
2) One of the young female patrons called the cops after an alleged sexual assault by Ben Roethlisberger. She told the cops that the assault took place in the ladies bathroom.
3) She was taken to a local hospital to be examined and treated
4) Ben hired a prominent criminal lawyer to defend him against this allegation.
5) The young female patron hired a lawyer too.
6) The criminal investigation is on-going.


There is nothing there that establishes that Ben was in the ladies restroom, unless you believer everything the plaintive is saying. In which case you have already convicted him.

A criminal investigation can establish innocence as well as guilt.

Silverback92
03-09-2010, 08:53 AM
This article http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_670560.html doesn't say whether the bathroom was men's or women's. It simply refers to it as an employee only bathroom. Which leads me to believe it was a very small, probably toilet, sink, and possibly a urinal unisex bathroom:

"They say it happened in the staff bathroom here," said Britt, pointing to a door in a dark, drafty aisle near the VIP section. "But that door is always locked, and people can see into the VIP room easily."

The restroom is near a storage room holding janitorial supplies, a grocery cart, spent boxes of booze waiting to be crushed and a disassembled mechanical bull, its tan and milky hide slumped on the floor as bass notes blared from a crowded dance floor.

Its dim corners can't be seen from the bar. Security cameras dot the club, but none appeared to be trained on the dark back room because no one but workers ever went back there, Britt said.


Door is always locked? This seems weird to me.

plenewken
03-09-2010, 08:57 AM
There is nothing there that establishes that Ben was in the ladies restroom, unless you believer everything the plaintive is saying. In which case you have already convicted him.

A criminal investigation can establish innocence as well as guilt.

I read what the accuser said which is the only data we have at this point, so again, it's not speculation.

Speaking of what people say, here is another statement

"The AP, meanwhile, spoke with multiple college students about Roethlisberger's behavior at the Capital City nightclub:

Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, whose boyfriend was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said."

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 09:03 AM
I read what the accuser said which is the only data we have at this point, so again, it's not speculation.

Speaking of what people say, here is another statement

"The AP, meanwhile, spoke with multiple college students about Roethlisberger's behavior at the Capital City nightclub:

Amber Hanley, a 21-year-old college student, said she and a few friends were also in the VIP area with Roethlisberger. She said she asked the quarterback to take a photo with her friend, whose boyfriend was a fan, but he seemed disappointed that's all she wanted. Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said."


That IS all speculation till it is established as a fact. Wheather Ben was "hitting" on another girl or not does not put him in that restroom either.

SteelerEmpire
03-09-2010, 09:08 AM
The police will probably talk to Ben before the end of this week and we should know of charges will be filed sometime next week...

Steel_12
03-09-2010, 09:10 AM
LOL at some people. I know he's our franchise qb but ya'll don't have to try so hard to prove he's innocent. I don't want to beleive it either but it looks really bad.

plenewken
03-09-2010, 09:12 AM
That IS all speculation till it is established as a fact. Wheather Ben was "hitting" on another girl or not does not put him in that restroom either.

I think you need to look-up the dictionary for the words "fact" and "speculation".

The fact is she accused Ben of sexually assaulting her in a bathroom. Speculation would be to assume she was assaulted by Ben if she had not mentioned his name.

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 09:15 AM
LOL at some people. I know he's our franchise qb but ya'll don't have to try so hard to prove he's innocent. I don't want to beleive it either but it looks really bad.


I don't think that anyone is trying prove that he is Innocent. Fact is innocence or guilt will not be establish in this forum. Just think that we should let the police do their job, and not try to convict him here.

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 09:18 AM
I think you need to look-up the dictionary for the words "fact" and "speculation".

The fact is she accused Ben of sexually assaulting her in a bathroom. Speculation would be to assume she was assaulted by Ben if she had not mentioned his name.

I think you should read your post. YOU have put him in the ladies restroom. That is not an establish FACT yet.

Steel_12
03-09-2010, 09:19 AM
I don't think that anyone is trying prove that he is Innocent. Fact is innocence or guilt will not be establish in this forum. Just think that we should let the police do their job, and not try to convict him here.

I agree. But that won't happen here. If he did do it and is convicted, I don't want to be here afterwards. The posts will be crazy!

plenewken
03-09-2010, 09:23 AM
I don't think that anyone is trying prove that he is Innocent. Fact is innocence or guilt will not be establish in this forum. Just think that we should let the police do their job, and not try to convict him here.

I agree with you but at this point and regardless if he's proven guilty or not, he is demonstrating a lack of brains and very poor judgment for putting himself in this mess 8 months after a first incident of the same nature.

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 09:25 AM
I agree. But that won't happen here. If he did do it and is convicted, I don't want to be here afterwards. The posts will be crazy!

If it is established to be true, I hope they through to book at him. There is little that I hate more that a so called man trying to force his intentions on a lady.

JPbucco
03-09-2010, 09:29 AM
If it is established to be true, I hope they through to book at him. There is little that I hate more that a so called man trying to force his intentions on a lady.

...or in your case, a lonely steer.


Sorry...cheap Texas joke.

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 09:30 AM
I agree with you but at this point and regardless if he's proven guilty or not, he is demonstrating a lack of brains and very poor judgment for putting himself in this mess 8 months after a first incident of the same nature.

I was young once, a long time ago, and fun loving, maybe even a little wild. I do agree that I wish this had never happened, but it did.

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 09:31 AM
...or in your case, a lonely steer.


Sorry...cheap Texas joke.

That ain't cheap. It is close to being true.:wink02:

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 09:39 AM
I agree with you but at this point and regardless if he's proven guilty or not, he is demonstrating a lack of brains and very poor judgment for putting himself in this mess 8 months after a first incident of the same nature.i am amazed that so many of the jailhouse lawyers here cant even get this simple fact straight. the incident with mcnulty happened almost 2 years ago (not that it makes much difference, but still, i wish all the internet perry masons could get it correct. :doh: )

Northside Jonny
03-09-2010, 09:42 AM
i am amazed that so many of the jailhouse lawyers here cant even get this simple fact straight. the incident with mcnulty happened almost 2 years ago (not that it makes much difference, but still, i wish all the internet perry masons could get it correct. :doh: )

Why the hell is it taking so long to settle the first case anyway? It's lasting longer than the 1st O.J. trial.:chuckle:

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 09:43 AM
Why the hell is it taking so long to settle the first case anyway?backlog in our legal system.

TackleMeBen
03-09-2010, 09:46 AM
Why the hell is it taking so long to settle the first case anyway? It's lasting longer than the 1st O.J. trial.:chuckle:
civil cases are usually a long process

pete74
03-09-2010, 09:51 AM
its taking long because its a cival case

SteelersinCA
03-09-2010, 09:58 AM
I agree. Accusations are being made by people who are simply speculating what happened without being given one shard of evidence as of this point. :banging: When the truth comes out in the wash, possibly THEN those who have passed judgment will have something to talk about.

No matter how this turns out, though, I think we can all agree that Ben really needs to use his noggin better and make better decisions.

This is all I'm saying, we have enough evidence to know without a shadow of a doubt that his decision making is atrocious. I never said he was guilty of anything other than being an idiot.

SteelersinCA
03-09-2010, 10:01 AM
What decision making are you talking about? you keep throwing this around like it means something. First the first ALLEGED assaualt to place at nice hotel alone in his room. Second ALLEGED assaualt happened in a public place so you tell me what is a guy supposed to do.

Last time I checked hotel rooms are not public places, and neither are women's restrooms in a public place. It's not like this stuff happened in the hotel lobby or club dance floor. Don't forget about the motorcycle and no helmet when we talk about poor decision making. See any pattern? No? Carry on.:banging:

SteelCityMom
03-09-2010, 10:02 AM
I think you need to look-up the dictionary for the words "fact" and "speculation".

The fact is she accused Ben of sexually assaulting her in a bathroom. Speculation would be to assume she was assaulted by Ben if she had not mentioned his name.

Nobody even knows for a fact if the bathroom is where it really happened. Either her or the media can't even get that part of the story straight...I've heard a couple of different places in the club mentioned when it comes to the attack. IMO, it's all speculation until the police are done investigating.

SteelersinCA
03-09-2010, 10:07 AM
Again, I continually point this out, but I find it funny and wildly ironic how the board's minds change when it's a Steeler in trouble versus another celebrity in trouble. The Dante Stallworth, the Michael Vicks, the Tiger Woods, the Ray Lewis haters should be saying the same thing about Ben. They won't because he is their QB. When it's Ben its all speculation and a money grab, when it's someone else they MUST HAVE done it. No one pulls out all the stops to wait and see if they are convicted.

Gnutella
03-09-2010, 10:10 AM
Again, I continually point this out, but I find it funny and wildly ironic how the board's minds change when it's a Steeler in trouble versus another celebrity in trouble. The Dante Stallworth, the Michael Vicks, the Tiger Woods, the Ray Lewis haters should be saying the same thing about Ben. They won't because he is their QB. When it's Ben its all speculation and a money grab, when it's someone else they MUST HAVE done it. No one pulls out all the stops to wait and see if they are convicted.

Not entirely true. I, for one, have never labeled Ray Lewis a "murderer."

TackleMeBen
03-09-2010, 10:10 AM
Again, I continually point this out, but I find it funny and wildly ironic how the board's minds change when it's a Steeler in trouble versus another celebrity in trouble. The Dante Stallworth, the Michael Vicks, the Tiger Woods, the Ray Lewis haters should be saying the same thing about Ben. They won't because he is their QB. When it's Ben its all speculation and a money grab, when it's someone else they MUST HAVE done it. No one pulls out all the stops to wait and see if they are convicted.
do you really think comparing this to tiger woods is the same thing????

the only thing tiger is guilty of is cheating on his wife, last i checked ben wasnt married and going out and doing this. granted both ben and tiger seem to have made bad decisions

Whodey1974
03-09-2010, 10:13 AM
Let's say he's found guilty. Would the 2 Super Bowl wins be worth having this guy on your team?

Steel_12
03-09-2010, 10:31 AM
Again, I continually point this out, but I find it funny and wildly ironic how the board's minds change when it's a Steeler in trouble versus another celebrity in trouble. The Dante Stallworth, the Michael Vicks, the Tiger Woods, the Ray Lewis haters should be saying the same thing about Ben. They won't because he is their QB. When it's Ben its all speculation and a money grab, when it's someone else they MUST HAVE done it. No one pulls out all the stops to wait and see if they are convicted.

:thumbsup: :applaudit:

Steel_12
03-09-2010, 10:32 AM
Let's say he's found guilty. Would the 2 Super Bowl wins be worth having this guy on your team?

If he's found guilty, he better be suspended just like the others who were convicted!

Whodey1974
03-09-2010, 10:34 AM
But the Steeler nation will welcome him back. Is that correct?

Steel_12
03-09-2010, 10:36 AM
But the Steeler nation will welcome him back. Is that correct?

if the Rooney's welcome him back, we have no choice!

Silverback92
03-09-2010, 10:39 AM
But the Steeler nation will welcome him back. Is that correct?

No, not if he's convicted. This is Steeler Nation we're talking about, we don't tolerate criminals like some AFC North Teams :wink02:

Whodey1974
03-09-2010, 10:39 AM
I'm a Bengals fan, so no one has more experience dealing with troublemakers than us. I was just seeing how you guys were viewing this.

TackleMeBen
03-09-2010, 10:43 AM
I'm a Bengals fan, so no one has more experience dealing with troublemakers than us. I was just seeing how you guys were viewing this.
we are viewing this as a qb who has an ego problem and evidently didnt learn the word no when he was in school meant no....

now with that being said, i am not saying he is guilty or innocent b/c i wasnt there and i dont know. although if i were there i might have hit him upside the head with a bottle to knock some sense into him..lol :chuckle::wink02:

mcmac
03-09-2010, 10:47 AM
I think if ben gets out of all of this trouble, he needs to remember a quote I seen in a movie..."You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will never lose women chasing money"

zulater
03-09-2010, 11:20 AM
Let's say he's found guilty. Would the 2 Super Bowl wins be worth having this guy on your team?

Depends on what he's found guilty of doesn't it? If he's convicted of felony sexual assualt he's done in the league, period. If he plea's down to a lesser offense, which I'm afraid I really can't think of what a good example could be, but some charge short of a felony, that doesn't include the word sex in it, and he might remain a viable entity in the NFL. In that case, given how good a player he's been, I'd swallow hard, accept him back, and hope he does nothing further to embarrass the team off the field. If you took Ben's last 7 months and assigned it to a marginal player I doubt many if any would be taking up for the guy. And that's the truth.

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 11:23 AM
Again, I continually point this out, but I find it funny and wildly ironic how the board's minds change when it's a Steeler in trouble versus another celebrity in trouble. The Dante Stallworth, the Michael Vicks, the Tiger Woods, the Ray Lewis haters should be saying the same thing about Ben. They won't because he is their QB. When it's Ben its all speculation and a money grab, when it's someone else they MUST HAVE done it. No one pulls out all the stops to wait and see if they are convicted.

Right. Here are a few examples of what us blind homer self-righteous Steelers fans were saying when the Stallworth case (http://www.steelersfever.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34586) first broke (the board didn't exist when the Ray Lewis fracas occurred):

Wow. Maybe it was an accident. Maybe the pedestrian was in the middle of the road unexpectedly. Maybe it was his fault. Let's not call for his head until we know more. All it says is he was questioned.

There was an accident like that recently where I live. It turned out that the pedestrian was the one who was drunk, not the driver. Pedestrian died and no charges filed. Just sayin.

Exactly what my husband and I were talking about. As much as we all get giddy thinking about a rival player screwing up, the facts have not been released yet. He may have done nothing more than be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Beat me to it. It was at 7am, I highly doubt Donte was drunk. I mean it is possible, but I doubt it. It may have been the pedestrians fault.

Exactly. I'm not going to pass judgment on the guy until it has been fully investigated. I feel awful for the poor guy and his family no matter what the circumstances, but it's a tad unfair to point the fickle finger of blame at Stallworth when we just don't know the entire story just yet.

It might not be Stallworth's fault.

If he was sober, then the most he can be charged with is vehicular manslaughter.

Lets wait and see what the facts are before we go jumping to conclusions. This sounds more like it was a very unfortunate accident and not anything worse.

Paint with a broad brush much? :coffee:

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 11:24 AM
Let's say he's found guilty. Would the 2 Super Bowl wins be worth having this guy on your team?

Moot point. If he's convicted, he will be released.

pete74
03-09-2010, 11:25 AM
yea but there are still members here that refer to lewis as a murderer

WH
03-09-2010, 11:25 AM
The restroom is near a storage room holding janitorial supplies, a grocery cart, spent boxes of booze waiting to be crushed and a disassembled mechanical bull, its tan and milky hide slumped on the floor as bass notes blared from a crowded dance floor.

What is this writer trying to do? Write a movie script? This has to be the most random insertion in any article i've ever read. Except for the one that may have been going on in the restroom next to it

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 11:27 AM
yea but there are still members here that refer to lewis as a murderer

Yeah, and there are some opponents' fans who have been calling Ben "Rapistberger" since last July and will continue to do so for the remainder of his career. I just think it's unfair to pigeonhole an entire fanbase on the basis of a few narrow-minded slack-jawed morons, especially when it's done to one's own fanbase in the name of "objectivity."

pete74
03-09-2010, 11:28 AM
just making a point. you made it seem like there are no hypicrites here

zulater
03-09-2010, 11:29 AM
I think if ben gets out of all of this trouble, he needs to remember a quote I seen in a movie..."You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will never lose women chasing money"

Ben needs to re-examine his attitude towards woman regardless of how this story ends imo. I'm sorry, but Ben's history, his lack of any meaningfull relationship with a woman that we know of combined with his cruising a college joint for coed girls he doesn't know on his birthday suggests to me that here is a guy who doesn't find womans company other than for quick sex particuarlry important.

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 11:33 AM
just making a point. you made it seem like there are no hypicrites here

I'm just countering the point that was made that there are nothing BUT hypocrites here.

pete74
03-09-2010, 11:34 AM
I'm just countering the point that was made that there are nothing BUT hypocrites here.

my bad. guess i should of read back before typing

OX1947
03-09-2010, 11:52 AM
I'm just countering the point that was made that there are nothing BUT hypocrites here.

Come on ladies and gents?! Lets put a little common sense here. Forget hypocracy here. I'm a man, and yes, I went to college bars, even at 28 once in a while but I made sure I wasn't banging random tail in bathrooms when the opportunity presented itself. You do not have to be a famous person to have that opportunity. Now I can say im not famous and a millionaire but I also know if I am going to have relations with random tail, you gotta wear a jimmy hat. If Big Ben was doing that in both situations, then rape is probably not going to be something those girls can claim. I mean, what are they going to say "oh, he grabbed me and threw me on the bed, put a condom on and then raped me", highly doubt it. Another notch in the "horrible decision" making by Big Ben in the real world. Especially with all the diseases out there.

I understand not everyone in the world is as observant as some but guys and girls, Big Ben is not a good guy. He never has been. If you need proof, try and pay attention to little things, its not hard to spot. I do not know if you saw pics of him with the accuser but he has a devil shirt on. This is a guy who prays to god during games. His interviews are as staged as his rep. He has an aura of A-ROD all over him. A fake, rehearsed type personality. The guys being accused of rape in Nevada yet he is out in college bars trying to get rear end, not factoring in that he has an organization he represents that does not like crap like that. The clincher for me, even before the rape crap was Hines Ward. Hines Ward throwing back digs on him was all I needed to know about Big Ben. And those dedicated Steelers fans in here and everywhere else I'm sure know that Hines Ward is one of those guys that is loved and respected and shows great personality. I know people might be different behind closed doors, but sometimes you have to look at track records and accept that those things might be true about who they are. Track record for Hines is great teammate, great community guy. Track record for Big Ben, big ahole, fake and sense of entitlement.

Vincent
03-09-2010, 11:55 AM
I cringe everytime Ben flashes his "horns" gesture. I take it as ignorance, but cringe never the less. When I heard of this situation, and saw the speculation, I was very concerned.

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.tmz.com/media/2010/03/0305_ben_groupclub_ex_tmz_01.jpg

When I saw this, the latest incident started to make sense.

I read this kid as a big immature oaf that is clearly out of his league with "real" women, as evidenced by pictures of him and "real women". The second pic is Ben in his element.

http://www.celebritywonder.com/picture/Ben_Roethlisberger/MissyPeregry_Charbonne_16582997.jpg http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-2/ben-roethlisberger-drunk-2.jpg

Ben is comfortable as a BMOC surrounded by gaggles of star struck drunken bubbleheads. Put the "two-time SB winning QB" mantle on him, arm him with a posse with body guards, and drop him into a "VIP room" with the aforementioned bubbleheads, and you have the prescription for disaster.

Back to the first image. Add that to the equation, and he has invited a dynamic to the mix he has no control over.

Prok
03-09-2010, 12:07 PM
I'm HUGELY disappointed in Ben. Hell, damn near crushed by this latest episode....

But I don't think Ben is a bad person or even an idiotic person for that matter.

He just made bad decisions. It happens to all of us, whether we admit it or not.

But his legacy has no chance of going back to positive no matter how this thing play's out IMO. The court of public opinion has totally swayed against him. And usually when that happens, it doesn't recover, sad to say.

zulater
03-09-2010, 12:11 PM
Come on ladies and gents?! Lets put a little common sense here. Forget hypocracy here. I'm a man, and yes, I went to college bars, even at 28 once in a while but I made sure I wasn't banging random tail in bathrooms when the opportunity presented itself. You do not have to be a famous person to have that opportunity. Now I can say im not famous and a millionaire but I also know if I am going to have relations with random tail, you gotta wear a jimmy hat. If Big Ben was doing that in both situations, then rape is probably not going to be something those girls can claim. I mean, what are they going to say "oh, he grabbed me and threw me on the bed, put a condom on and then raped me", highly doubt it. Another notch in the "horrible decision" making by Big Ben in the real world. Especially with all the diseases out there.

I understand not everyone in the world is as observant as some but guys and girls, Big Ben is not a good guy. He never has been. If you need proof, try and pay attention to little things, its not hard to spot. I do not know if you saw pics of him with the accuser but he has a devil shirt on. This is a guy who prays to god during games. His interviews are as staged as his rep. He has an aura of A-ROD all over him. A fake, rehearsed type personality. The guys being accused of rape in Nevada yet he is out in college bars trying to get rear end, not factoring in that he has an organization he represents that does not like crap like that. The clincher for me, even before the rape crap was Hines Ward. Hines Ward throwing back digs on him was all I needed to know about Big Ben. And those dedicated Steelers fans in here and everywhere else I'm sure know that Hines Ward is one of those guys that is loved and respected and shows great personality. I know people might be different behind closed doors, but sometimes you have to look at track records and accept that those things might be true about who they are. Track record for Hines is great teammate, great community guy. Track record for Big Ben, big ahole, fake and sense of entitlement.

I don't neccessarily disagree with what you're saying, but I also don't think you're seeing the whole picture either. I don't think Ben's all bad, some players on the team that I consider solid individuals consider Ben to be good people. Guys like Heath Miller, Brett Keisel, Justin Hartwig call Ben a friend on and off the field.


But there's also a bad side to Ben that has to be dealt with. Assuming that he eventually extracts himself from his current mess he needs to sit down with the people that he loves and trust the most and take inventory of himself and work to improve on his all to obvious shortcomings.

I think it's very telling when a 28 year old man has never had a prolonged mature relationship with a woman. He has some isues to work through.

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 12:14 PM
Come on ladies and gents?! Lets put a little common sense here. Forget hypocracy here. I'm a man, and yes, I went to college bars, even at 28 once in a while but I made sure I wasn't banging random tail in bathrooms when the opportunity presented itself. You do not have to be a famous person to have that opportunity. Now I can say im not famous and a millionaire but I also know if I am going to have relations with random tail, you gotta wear a jimmy hat. If Big Ben was doing that in both situations, then rape is probably not going to be something those girls can claim. I mean, what are they going to say "oh, he grabbed me and threw me on the bed, put a condom on and then raped me", highly doubt it. Another notch in the "horrible decision" making by Big Ben in the real world. Especially with all the diseases out there.

I understand not everyone in the world is as observant as some but guys and girls, Big Ben is not a good guy. He never has been. If you need proof, try and pay attention to little things, its not hard to spot. I do not know if you saw pics of him with the accuser but he has a devil shirt on. This is a guy who prays to god during games. His interviews are as staged as his rep. He has an aura of A-ROD all over him. A fake, rehearsed type personality. The guys being accused of rape in Nevada yet he is out in college bars trying to get rear end, not factoring in that he has an organization he represents that does not like crap like that. The clincher for me, even before the rape crap was Hines Ward. Hines Ward throwing back digs on him was all I needed to know about Big Ben. And those dedicated Steelers fans in here and everywhere else I'm sure know that Hines Ward is one of those guys that is loved and respected and shows great personality. I know people might be different behind closed doors, but sometimes you have to look at track records and accept that those things might be true about who they are. Track record for Hines is great teammate, great community guy. Track record for Big Ben, big ahole, fake and sense of entitlement.

Yes, it's been established that Ben needs to start making better decisions. Hell, he may even be a prick to fans. Is it established that he's a sexual predator? Nope, not yet. And it takes preternatural skills of "observation" to make such a leap at this juncture, so why don't you just drop the condescension and not do so?

OX1947
03-09-2010, 12:15 PM
I don't neccessarily disagree with what you're saying, but I also don't think you're seeing the whole picture either. I don't think Ben's all bad, some players on the team that I consider solid individuals consider Ben to be good people. Guys like Heath Miller, Brett Keisel, Justin Hartwig call Ben a friend on and off the field.


But there's also a bad side to Ben that has to be dealt with. Assuming that he eventually extracts himself from his current mess he needs to sit down with the people that he loves and trust the most and take inventory of himself and work to improve on his all to obvious shortcomings.

I think it's very telling when a 28 year old man has never had a prolonged mature relationship with a woman. He has some isues to work through.

You are 100% correct. Trust me, I am hoping for the best in this situation. I hate being negative about Big Ben.

OX1947
03-09-2010, 12:17 PM
Yes, it's been established that Ben needs to start making better decisions. Hell, he may even be a prick to fans. Is it established that he's a sexual predator? Nope, not yet. And it takes preternatural skills of "observation" to make such a leap at this juncture, so why don't you just drop the condescension and not do so?

Because I am a Steelers fan and upset that he is jeopardizing the team. Its a selfish reason, I'll admit. But I am trying to also factor in that if these girls were abused, that has to be first. I do have angst in both situations.

steelerdude15
03-09-2010, 12:17 PM
IMO, some of us are overreacting. So here's what we all do... just take a deep breath and relax. We don't know if anything happened, none of us we're there. He's been accused, not charged, some of us just don't see the difference. :rolleyes: Now if I was him, I wouldn't want to be bothered all the time, I'm sure it gets old. I see some of you are just plan old attacking him. So everyone just take a deep breath and relax and by the way... the bungles still suck. :chuckle:

zulater
03-09-2010, 12:21 PM
I'm HUGELY disappointed in Ben. Hell, damn near crushed by this latest episode....

But I don't think Ben is a bad person or even an idiotic person for that matter.

He just made bad decisions. It happens to all of us, whether we admit it or not.

But his legacy has no chance of going back to positive no matter how this thing play's out IMO. The court of public opinion has totally swayed against him. And usually when that happens, it doesn't recover, sad to say.

Tell that to Kobe Bryant.

It might not be easy, but it's possible. It starts with Ben positively resovling his two current prediciments ( if possible) and ends with Ben making good decisons henceforth. :drink:

SteelCityMom
03-09-2010, 12:21 PM
Come on ladies and gents?! Lets put a little common sense here. Forget hypocracy here. I'm a man, and yes, I went to college bars, even at 28 once in a while but I made sure I wasn't banging random tail in bathrooms when the opportunity presented itself. You do not have to be a famous person to have that opportunity. Now I can say im not famous and a millionaire but I also know if I am going to have relations with random tail, you gotta wear a jimmy hat. If Big Ben was doing that in both situations, then rape is probably not going to be something those girls can claim. I mean, what are they going to say "oh, he grabbed me and threw me on the bed, put a condom on and then raped me", highly doubt it. Another notch in the "horrible decision" making by Big Ben in the real world. Especially with all the diseases out there.

I understand not everyone in the world is as observant as some but guys and girls, Big Ben is not a good guy. He never has been. If you need proof, try and pay attention to little things, its not hard to spot. I do not know if you saw pics of him with the accuser but he has a devil shirt on. This is a guy who prays to god during games. His interviews are as staged as his rep. He has an aura of A-ROD all over him. A fake, rehearsed type personality. The guys being accused of rape in Nevada yet he is out in college bars trying to get rear end, not factoring in that he has an organization he represents that does not like crap like that. The clincher for me, even before the rape crap was Hines Ward. Hines Ward throwing back digs on him was all I needed to know about Big Ben. And those dedicated Steelers fans in here and everywhere else I'm sure know that Hines Ward is one of those guys that is loved and respected and shows great personality. I know people might be different behind closed doors, but sometimes you have to look at track records and accept that those things might be true about who they are. Track record for Hines is great teammate, great community guy. Track record for Big Ben, big ahole, fake and sense of entitlement.

Good to know you've made your conclusions before any charges have been filed. Not to mention you've based them off of media stories and the kind of shirt he wore lol. I mean, of course after reading about someone in a newspaper it's like we know them better than we know ourselves!

This crap has just gotten way out of control. You're of course entitled to your opinion, but it's like some people have just been waiting and salivating for something like this to happen.

supa_fly_steeler
03-09-2010, 12:25 PM
Lol so many replies.

steelerdude15
03-09-2010, 12:26 PM
Well, here are a couple videos to make everyone laugh and relax haha, you enjoy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W45DRy7M1no
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmIIeALIQlY

zulater
03-09-2010, 12:27 PM
Good to know you've made your conclusions before any charges have been filed. Not to mention you've based them off of media stories and the kind of shirt he wore lol. I mean, of course after reading about someone in a newspaper it's like we know them better than we know ourselves!

This crap has just gotten way out of control. You're of course entitled to your opinion, but it's like some people have just been waiting and salivating for something like this to happen.

Yeah, Raven and Bengal fans.



Outside of that no Steeler fan is enjoying this situation. Just because some of us have opened our eyes to the possibility that Ben might actually be guilty of some form of misconduct doesn't mean we wish it to be so.

supa_fly_steeler
03-09-2010, 12:28 PM
Come on ladies and gents?! Lets put a little common sense here. Forget hypocracy here. I'm a man, and yes, I went to college bars, even at 28 once in a while but I made sure I wasn't banging random tail in bathrooms when the opportunity presented itself. You do not have to be a famous person to have that opportunity. Now I can say im not famous and a millionaire but I also know if I am going to have relations with random tail, you gotta wear a jimmy hat. If Big Ben was doing that in both situations, then rape is probably not going to be something those girls can claim. I mean, what are they going to say "oh, he grabbed me and threw me on the bed, put a condom on and then raped me", highly doubt it. Another notch in the "horrible decision" making by Big Ben in the real world. Especially with all the diseases out there.

I understand not everyone in the world is as observant as some but guys and girls, Big Ben is not a good guy. He never has been. If you need proof, try and pay attention to little things, its not hard to spot. I do not know if you saw pics of him with the accuser but he has a devil shirt on. This is a guy who prays to god during games. His interviews are as staged as his rep. He has an aura of A-ROD all over him. A fake, rehearsed type personality. The guys being accused of rape in Nevada yet he is out in college bars trying to get rear end, not factoring in that he has an organization he represents that does not like crap like that. The clincher for me, even before the rape crap was Hines Ward. Hines Ward throwing back digs on him was all I needed to know about Big Ben. And those dedicated Steelers fans in here and everywhere else I'm sure know that Hines Ward is one of those guys that is loved and respected and shows great personality. I know people might be different behind closed doors, but sometimes you have to look at track records and accept that those things might be true about who they are. Track record for Hines is great teammate, great community guy. Track record for Big Ben, big ahole, fake and sense of entitlement.


:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::b lah::blah::blah::blah:

Sorry what did i miss

supa_fly_steeler
03-09-2010, 12:30 PM
Who cares about the incident it's likely these two girls are not loved by anyone.... im a dog lover and i still love mike vick................... lol this whole case is ****ed

SteelCityMom
03-09-2010, 12:32 PM
Yeah, Raven and Bengal fans.



Outside of that no Steeler fan is enjoying this situation. Just because some of us have opened our eyes to the possibility that Ben might actually be guilty of some form of misconduct doesn't mean we wish it to be so.


Lol yes, I'm sure Ravens and Bengals fans have been waiting for this day for a long time.

As for Steelers fans...I don't know, some people honestly could have fooled me. And believe me, I realize that there's a chance he could have done something horrible, and if that's the case I want him gone. But by some of the reactions here, you'd think he's just the worst person ever to don a Steelers uni...and he hasn't even been charged yet.

And believe me, it didn't all start with these allegations. Some people have wanted him gone for a while and have called him a dick because of media reports and hearsay. I know I'm not the only one who remembers the trade Ben for Lefty threads from the '08 season. Some Steelers fans just have an ingrained hatred for their teams QB...dating back to the Bradshaw days.

Also, none of what I said was directed towards you at all...I know you've been quite objective.

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 12:38 PM
And believe me, it didn't all start with these allegations. Some people have wanted him gone for a while and have called him a dick because of media reports and hearsay. I know I'm not the only one who remembers the trade Ben for Lefty threads from the '08 season. Some Steelers fans just have an ingrained hatred for their teams QB...dating back to the Bradshaw days.

Don't forget, he hates kids too! (http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?p=337484#post337484)

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

Prok
03-09-2010, 12:42 PM
Lol yes, I'm sure Ravens and Bengals fans have been waiting for this day for a long time.

As for Steelers fans...I don't know, some people honestly could have fooled me. And believe me, I realize that there's a chance he could have done something horrible, and if that's the case I want him gone. But by some of the reactions here, you'd think he's just the worst person ever to don a Steelers uni...and he hasn't even been charged yet.

And believe me, it didn't all start with these allegations. Some people have wanted him gone for a while and have called him a dick because of media reports and hearsay. I know I'm not the only one who remembers the trade Ben for Lefty threads from the '08 season. Some Steelers fans just have an ingrained hatred for their teams QB...dating back to the Bradshaw days.

Also, none of what I said was directed towards you at all...I know you've been quite objective.

I can agree with that. And I've had my share of feelings of disgrace and utter disappointment towards Ben. But there are alot of Steelers fans seemingly happy this situation came about. It's freaking embarrassing to say the least.... Sometimes I'd rather discuss football with other fans rather than Steelers fans...

OX1947
03-09-2010, 12:43 PM
Good to know you've made your conclusions before any charges have been filed. Not to mention you've based them off of media stories and the kind of shirt he wore lol. I mean, of course after reading about someone in a newspaper it's like we know them better than we know ourselves!

This crap has just gotten way out of control. You're of course entitled to your opinion, but it's like some people have just been waiting and salivating for something like this to happen.


Charges have been filed? What are you a lawyer? Were you part of that jury pool that let Orethal go free the first time? Give me a freakin break. If this had been Chad Ocho Moron, you guys would be salivating into a glass and drinking it. Just because Big Ben is a Steeler doesn't mean he isnt a freakin moron. Whether he is a rapist is irrelevant. Every god damn off season, I turn the tv on and try and follow my team and enjoy free agency, draft, etc and this f***ing idiot either is banging broads without a condom and getting accused of crap or riding 400 mph bikes with no helmet. He is a moron regardless if he did it or not. I'm a steeler fan first, and when a player is continuing screwing with my favorite team, I'm going to defend my team.

Fire Haley
03-09-2010, 12:44 PM
:rofl:

Seriously, Gary, you & killer are the only reason I can tolerate these threads. :chuckle:

I take that as a compliment.

Where did all these noob titsticks come from?

I smell troll.

SteelCityMom
03-09-2010, 12:46 PM
Don't forget, he hates kids too! (http://forums.steelersfever.com/showthread.php?p=337484#post337484)

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

Unless the kids have tits of course! :rofl:

That's too funny, thanks for the thread link.

SteelCityMom
03-09-2010, 12:51 PM
Charges have been filed? What are you a lawyer? Were you part of that jury pool that let Orethal go free the first time? Give me a freakin break. If this had been Chad Ocho Moron, you guys would be salivating into a glass and drinking it. Just because Big Ben is a Steeler doesn't mean he isnt a freakin moron. Whether he is a rapist is irrelevant. Every god damn off season, I turn the tv on and try and follow my team and enjoy free agency, draft, etc and this f***ing idiot either is banging broads without a condom and getting accused of crap or riding 400 mph bikes with no helmet. He is a moron regardless if he did it or not. I'm a steeler fan first, and when a player is continuing screwing with my favorite team, I'm going to defend my team.

Ummm....learn to read, I said BEFORE any charges have even been filed. Jesus you are condescending. And no, I don't care who the person is, what movie they've been in, what team they play for...innocent until proven guilty. Or in this case, at least innocent until charges are filed lol. Don't make assumptions about me.

Also, good to know you've led such a perfect life that you can sit back and judge anothers from afar. Must be spectacular.

OX1947
03-09-2010, 01:15 PM
Ummm....learn to read, I said BEFORE any charges have even been filed. Jesus you are condescending. And no, I don't care who the person is, what movie they've been in, what team they play for...innocent until proven guilty. Or in this case, at least innocent until charges are filed lol. Don't make assumptions about me.

Also, good to know you've led such a perfect life that you can sit back and judge anothers from afar. Must be spectacular.

Charges being filed or not, judgment or not, he is a moron. That is the point of all this. Living a perfect life has nothing to do with it. Quit crying already. I didnt wake up two days ago waiting for something like this to happen, that's just stupid.

vrabinec
03-09-2010, 01:30 PM
Jesus H. Christ, I have got SUCH a bad case of Ben burnout. And yet I still read these threads in case someone comes up with some little angle that nodoy has thought of yet, as if that's possible.

Prok
03-09-2010, 01:33 PM
Jesus H. Christ, I have got SUCH a bad case of Ben burnout. And yet I still read these threads in case someone comes up with some little angle that nodoy has thought of yet, as if that's possible.

haha same here. I didn't think ONE player could have had this kind of impact on THIS franchise OR fanbase. I was wrong.

Yet I still check religiously in hoping against hope that something miraculous will turn up and help Ben's cause.

Rick5895
03-09-2010, 01:41 PM
Nice fight between OX and MOM< LOL. Guilty or not, civilly liable or not (McNulty) riding fast powerful bikes without a helmet. BB makes horrible decisions. I agree with both of you somewhat. I have said it in this thread before, I'll say it again, I hope BB straightens out, not for the sake of the Steelers but for his sake. He is or is becoming a man of very questionable character, which for me means he is not deserving to call himself a STEELER. Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes multiple mistakes. However, guilty or not, putting yourself in these situations is a mistake and when you are being paid 102 mil to represent the Pittsburgh Steelers, your team mates, the city, the fans and the NFL your list of allowable mistakes is small. IMO BB has used his free mistakes up. It is time for him to grow up, be the guy the Steelers are paying for (in all aspects of life) or it's time to move on. Sadly, as things move on maybe it's time for the Steelers to move BB on.

SteelersinCA
03-09-2010, 02:35 PM
Right. Here are a few examples of what us blind homer self-righteous Steelers fans were saying when the Stallworth case (http://www.steelersfever.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34586) first broke (the board didn't exist when the Ray Lewis fracas occurred):

I'm just countering the point that was made that there are nothing BUT hypocrites here.

Really? If you mean to tell me that my statement got you so upset that you went back through and dug up posts, why don't you dig up the ones that are opposite? Can we agree that there are many many more going in the opposite direction? Can we agree that I was speaking about the general tone? You disagree with my assessment of the tone of the board? I remember several threads and posters going crazy about him only getting 30 days.

I'd also like to note you don't take issue with any of the other names I mentioned, do you agree with those or are you still continuing with the idea that I'm saying this board is full of nothing BUT hypocrites?

Again, you can try to nit pick what you want, is clear and plain to see the general tone of the threads regarding these situations. Stick your head in the sand all you want.

SteelersinCA
03-09-2010, 02:40 PM
do you really think comparing this to tiger woods is the same thing????

the only thing tiger is guilty of is cheating on his wife, last i checked ben wasnt married and going out and doing this. granted both ben and tiger seem to have made bad decisions

No, I don't think it's the same thing, Ben potentially committed very serious felonies. Tiger didn't break a single law. However, that pretty much underscores my point perfectly. Tiger did nothing that even came close to criminal and people were rampant with speculation. Ben's situation is gravely more serious and most are content to label the woman as the offender. I find it disappointing. We have no problem condemning Tiger for his poor decision making but a very vocal majority on this board will not condemn Ben for even worse decision making.

kirklandrules
03-09-2010, 03:10 PM
No, I don't think it's the same thing, Ben potentially committed very serious felonies. Tiger didn't break a single law. However, that pretty much underscores my point perfectly. Tiger did nothing that even came close to criminal and people were rampant with speculation. Ben's situation is gravely more serious and most are content to label the woman as the offender. I find it disappointing. We have no problem condemning Tiger for his poor decision making but a very vocal majority on this board will not condemn Ben for even worse decision making.

So far, the only thing we know is that Ben went out that night. We don't know what he did or didn't do that night. What you're saying is that Tiger's decision to have relations with the bottom of the P*rn industry is a better decision than Ben going to a bar with 8 very large men assigend to look out for him? Besides, I condem Tiger for not being faithful to the hottest woman of the bunch ... his wife.

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 03:12 PM
Really? If you mean to tell me that my statement got you so upset that you went back through and dug up posts, why don't you dig up the ones that are opposite?

It took all of about 2 or 3 minutes to perform a search and copy and paste. Not quite a monumental effort.

Can we agree that there are many many more going in the opposite direction?

Yes.

Can we agree that I was speaking about the general tone?

I didn't think you were speaking in generalities, I thought you were broadbrushing everyone on this board as being hypocritical. If that wasn't your intent, I apologize.

You disagree with my assessment of the tone of the board? I remember several threads and posters going crazy about him only getting 30 days.

Yes, AFTER he was charged and the case was fully adjudicated. I have read more than a few posts here in the last 3 days that have Ben tried, convicted and sentenced to 20 years already and he hasn't even been charged yet. Big difference.

I'd also like to note you don't take issue with any of the other names I mentioned, do you agree with those or are you still continuing with the idea that I'm saying this board is full of nothing BUT hypocrites?

I noted that the whole thing with Ray Lewis went down before this board even existed. I saw PLENTY of "it was just dogs" posts around here pertaining to the Michael Vick case, and I haven't bothered to even read the Tiger Woods threads because I don't give two squats about golf and I care just as much about Tiger Woods. And as I said previously, if I misconstrued your tone, I apologize.

Again, you can try to nit pick what you want, is clear and plain to see the general tone of the threads regarding these situations. Stick your head in the sand all you want.

Maybe it's just me, but I have found the general tone of the latest Ben threads to be overwhelmingly negative. But I guess that's because I have my head stuck in the sand.:noidea:

Texasteel
03-09-2010, 03:20 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I have found the general tone of the latest Ben threads to be overwhelmingly negative. But I guess that's because I have my head stuck in the sand.:noidea:


It's not just you. It seems to me that there are more than a couple that are ready to slam the cell door on Ben. It could just be me, I'm the one two heads down.

atlsteelers
03-09-2010, 03:29 PM
if you believe in the 3 degrees of seperation sh*t. this is no bar bimbo that went to the police. it is pretty depressing being a steeler fan today. i really hope a dear friend and respected colleague is wrong but i just do not see how.

Larry
03-09-2010, 03:30 PM
The point is, you don't judge an organization or its fan base based on what the players do. There is a lot of unfair judgment on this forum, and arrogance as well.

Steel Mountain
03-09-2010, 03:31 PM
I posted this once already and it seemed to go unnoticed. I personally know Kobe`s accuser. She is certifiable. She did something that she regretted, he did not cuddle, kiss and hold her afterward and she was pissed. Even bragged about his "length" at a party the next day. Unfortunately, she unleashed an unbelievable hell on her family, friends and most importantly herself. I hope this young lady realizes the consequenses of her actions/accusations. If she was truly "assaulted" then I pray for her well-being. If her motives are either greed or regret, she has already made her own bed and must lie in it. While many may sympathize w/ her, many others will call/perceive her as a ****, gold digger...perhaps *****. For right or wrong, this girl has opened a pandoras box that may come with some cash or ruin her life but cannot be closed. If Ben has done what he has been accused of doing in a court of law, I hope he does jail time and never takes another snap as a Steeler....did I say found guilty in a court of law? Until then, just another drunk college chick and a punch drunk stupid jock making stupid decisions at the same time.

Steel_12
03-09-2010, 03:38 PM
I posted this once already and it seemed to go unnoticed. I personally know Kobe`s accuser. She is certifiable. She did something that she regretted, he did not cuddle, kiss and hold her afterward and she was pissed. Even bragged about his "length" at a party the next day. Unfortunately, she unleashed an unbelievable hell on her family, friends and most importantly herself. I hope this young lady realizes the consequenses of her actions/accusations. If she was truly "assaulted" then I pray for her well-being. If her motives are either greed or regret, she has already made her own bed and must lie in it. While many may sympathize w/ her, many others will call/perceive her as a ****, gold digger...perhaps *****. For right or wrong, this girl has opened a pandoras box that may come with some cash or ruin her life but cannot be closed. If Ben has done what he has been accused of doing in a court of law, I hope he does jail time and never takes another snap as a Steeler....did I say found guilty in a court of law? Until then, just another drunk college chick and a punch drunk stupid jock making stupid decisions at the same time.

When they said she had 3 different semen samples in her underwear I knew she was lying.

Steel Mountain
03-09-2010, 03:43 PM
When they said she had 3 different semen samples in her underwear I knew she was lying.

Well, she wasn`t exactly lying. I am pretty sure he "layed" some pipe...as did two others before him, and apparently she is just not good at washing her britches.

Prok
03-09-2010, 03:44 PM
At this point I dunno if it's a good thing or a bad thing, the investigation taking this long.

Ya gotta wonder that if there was concrete evidence they would have had some sort of charges on Ben by now?

Orrrrrr, they are just now getting around to taking a DNA sample from Ben?

Steel_12
03-09-2010, 03:49 PM
Well, she wasn`t exactly lying. I am pretty sure he "layed" some pipe...as did two others before him, and apparently she is just not good at washing her britches.

I meant lying about the rape...Kobe shouldn't have paid her. Hopefully, if this chick is also lying, Ben won't pay her to go away either. Embarrass her like the other chick was embarrassed.

Steel Mountain
03-09-2010, 03:50 PM
At this point I dunno if it's a good thing or a bad thing, the investigation taking this long.

Ya gotta wonder that if there was concrete evidence they would have had some sort of charges on Ben by now?

Orrrrrr, they are just now getting around to taking a DNA sample from Ben?

I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the "legal Beagles" know exactly what is up right now. They would be stupid to come out spewing their thoughts though. Due process must take place. "He said she said" is a tough case w/o eye witnesses.

Steel Mountain
03-09-2010, 03:55 PM
I meant lying about the rape...Kobe shouldn't have paid her. Hopefully, if this chick is also lying, Ben won't pay her to go away either. Embarrass her like the other chick was embarrassed.
I sort of agree in a perfect world sort of way. In the end Kobe is back on track with his sport and family and it all went away pretty quickly. His accuser however, has been on things like suicide watch and leaving her family and hometown due to her new found reputation. She will never be the same and Kobe is right back in it. Lesson? Ladies....keep your legs crossed until you TRULY, UNEQUIVCABELY WANT this man to make love to you!!! Otherwise...you are a ****TTTT! Oh and yes, that applies to you men out there too.

Prok
03-09-2010, 03:59 PM
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the "legal Beagles" know exactly what is up right now. They would be stupid to come out spewing their thoughts though. Due process must take place. "He said she said" is a tough case w/o eye witnesses.

True dat.

Has Ben's lawyer come out and said "there will be no charges", though ??

Steel Mountain
03-09-2010, 04:04 PM
True dat.

Has Ben's lawyer come out and said "there will be no charges", though ??

Yup. Pretty much.

"The facts show that there was no criminal activity," the veteran defense attorney told the AJC. "No sexual assault occurred. Ben is completely innocent of any crime. The truth of the events should cause this investigation to end without a criminal charge. I will not go into detail at this time, but will in the future."

vrabinec
03-09-2010, 04:05 PM
Maybe it's just me, but I have found the general tone of the latest Ben threads to be overwhelmingly negative. But I guess that's because I have my head stuck in the sand.:noidea:

Indirectly, we pay Ben's salary and I think that gives a lot of fans a slight sense that he "owes" us the decency to stay out of legal troubles like this, so some fans get pissy, and others like myself who are pessimistic by nature add to the depressing tone of the conversation. If he's guilty of this, and therefore more than likely the rape, then I think most on here are in agreement that he is a criminal, and most wouldn't want him back on the team because nobody wants to root for a rapist. If he's innocent, than what you are seeing is the hometown fans spanking him for being foolish.

This is a unique situation because he's not creating a widget for his employer for that employer to turn around and sell. He sells himself, the image of him throwing a touchdown, the image the Steelers want him to project. In return for that image, we fans buy the Steeler coffee mug, the steeler slippers, the autographed pictures, the Steeler jacket, the Steeler tee shirts, the Steeler blankets, the Steeler hat, the Steeler bobble head doll, the singing dancing Steeler that sings the MNF song, (these are some of the things I own), the Steeler lamp, the Steeler hard hat, the Steeler magnet for the back of the car, the Steeler tickets, the program at the game, the dogs and beer at the game, and then we listen to the radio station that covers the Steelers which gets paid by advertisers and the station sends money to the Steelers from those advertisers, and we watch the games on television religiously so advertisers give the Steelers lots of money to run adds on those telecasts, and we pay for that advertising in higher prices for those products. We pay out a TON of money on this game, and in return one of the things we ask is that the players we watch and talk about around the water cooler with fellow fans and other teams' fans (Raven fans in my case) don't humiliate us by putting themselves in embarassing situations. Maybe it seems like it's presumptuous on our parts, but if the players don't like it, then we can all just go watch hockey or go to the store with the wife instead of spending our money on football. And they can go bag groceries.

Prok
03-09-2010, 04:10 PM
Yup. Pretty much.

"The facts show that there was no criminal activity," the veteran defense attorney told the AJC. "No sexual assault occurred. Ben is completely innocent of any crime. The truth of the events should cause this investigation to end without a criminal charge. I will not go into detail at this time, but will in the future."

Thank you for posting that. I have it saved and will consider it my binky for quite some time.

:thumbsup:

silver & black
03-09-2010, 04:18 PM
Indirectly, we pay Ben's salary and I think that gives a lot of fans a slight sense that he "owes" us the decency to stay out of legal troubles like this, so some fans get pissy, and others like myself who are pessimistic by nature add to the depressing tone of the conversation. If he's guilty of this, and therefore more than likely the rape, then I think most on here are in agreement that he is a criminal, and most wouldn't want him back on the team because nobody wants to root for a rapist. If he's innocent, than what you are seeing is the hometown fans spanking him for being foolish.

This is a unique situation because he's not creating a widget for his employer for that employer to turn around and sell. He sells himself, the image of him throwing a touchdown, the image the Steelers want him to project. In return for that image, we fans buy the Steeler coffee mug, the steeler slippers, the autographed pictures, the Steeler jacket, the Steeler tee shirts, the Steeler blankets, the Steeler hat, the Steeler bobble head doll, the singing dancing Steeler that sings the MNF song, (these are some of the things I own), the Steeler lamp, the Steeler hard hat, the Steeler magnet for the back of the car, the Steeler tickets, the program at the game, the dogs and beer at the game, and then we listen to the radio station that covers the Steelers which gets paid by advertisers and the station sends money to the Steelers from those advertisers, and we watch the games on television religiously so advertisers give the Steelers lots of money to run adds on those telecasts, and we pay for that advertising in higher prices for those products. We pay out a TON of money on this game, and in return one of the things we ask is that the players we watch and talk about around the water cooler with fellow fans and other teams' fans (Raven fans in my case) don't humiliate us by putting themselves in embarassing situations. Maybe it seems like it's presumptuous on our parts, but if the players don't like it, then we can all just go watch hockey or go to the store with the wife instead of spending our money on football. And they can go bag groceries.

Great post. :drink:... That goes for every team, and all fans.

Steel Mountain
03-09-2010, 04:28 PM
Thank you for posting that. I have it saved and will consider it my binky for quite some time.

:thumbsup:

Let`s all remember that being a 5lut, man or woman is not a crime. It may be offensive to fans and employers, but not illegal like dogfighting rings, drugs, murder etc. We got Hugh Hefner Jr. as our QB.

SteelersinCA
03-09-2010, 04:29 PM
Fansince,

no worries my friend. Just wanted to be clear I wasn't broadbrushing. It's all gravy. I have noticed the Ben threads have been largely negative, but I think that's because of fear and the realization he needs his head checked. I haven't seen too many convicting him but plenty, myself included, questioning his judgment.

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 04:33 PM
Fansince,

no worries my friend. Just wanted to be clear I wasn't broadbrushing. It's all gravy. I have noticed the Ben threads have been largely negative, but I think that's because of fear and the realization he needs his head checked. I haven't seen too many convicting him but plenty, myself included, questioning his judgment.

Agreed, the last couple days have sucked. :drink:

Prok
03-09-2010, 04:39 PM
Let`s all remember that being a 5lut, man or woman is not a crime. It may be offensive to fans and employers, but not illegal like dogfighting rings, drugs, murder etc. We got Hugh Hefner Jr. as our QB.

Orrrrr we got a verrrrrrrry unfortunate QB........ Reguardless, I've already accepted that his reputation is pretty much destroyed. At least in the court of public opinion...

I just hope like hell there is no hard-kore evidence.

Pentheon
03-09-2010, 06:26 PM
Try not to be biased, in all honesty do you think hes guilty of what hes been accused of? Just because you're a steeler fan doesn't mean you have to believe hes innocent.

In my opinion, theres doubt in the back of my mind that he may have done it, maybe the guy can't handle his liquor? Maybe he thinks since hes a celeb that he can have any girl he wants.

Then again maybe it could be a "gold digger" type of situation.

I guess im in between on this one now that this is the 2nd accusation. Why doesn't more celebs get accused of this more than we hear?

I hope he didn't do it, hes a great quarterback and this team needs him.

any thoughts?

pete74
03-09-2010, 06:30 PM
i think he is guilty of horrinle decision making but i think he will be found innocent concerning these charges. obviously thats just an opinion and nobody really knows yet

Shoes
03-09-2010, 06:30 PM
Is there no end to this madness? :willy:

Prok
03-09-2010, 06:34 PM
Is there no end to this madness? :willy:

Really....

Theres nothing more I want to do than go through another epic thread of watching fellow Steelers fans argue with each other again.....

:banging: :banging: :banging:

SteelCityMom
03-09-2010, 06:48 PM
For real...he hasn't even been charged with anything yet, and we don't know exactly what the accusations are to even form an opinion of whether he's guilty of something or not (though you wouldn't know that by reading the other 6 threads on the topic).

mesaSteeler
03-09-2010, 06:51 PM
Is there no end to this madness? :willy:

Completely agree. Please let us wait until we see if he is charged with anything or not. Endless speculation until then is a waste of time.

Fire Haley
03-09-2010, 07:02 PM
What - the big thread wasn't good enough for you?

Look at me!

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/look-at-me.jpg

Chidi29
03-09-2010, 07:12 PM
Not sure if this has been said yet and it doesn't make a huge difference, but this girl reportedly just dropped out of college.

Fire Haley
03-09-2010, 07:14 PM
Ben is a ho

But he's OUR ho.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-09-2010, 07:21 PM
Cant say if hes guilty....noone knows what he did or did not do yet?????

Northside Jonny
03-09-2010, 07:25 PM
What - the big thread wasn't good enough for you?

Look at me!

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/look-at-me.jpg

Great post killer I could look at that all day! Gorgeous!

I-Want-Troy's-Hair
03-09-2010, 07:30 PM
It's obvious that his father didn't have that "talk" with Ben...

"....don't let the little head tell the big head what to do"

If this is true he is an embarrassment.

HometownGal
03-09-2010, 08:15 PM
Not sure if this has been said yet and it doesn't make a huge difference, but this girl reportedly just dropped out of college.

Again - I am speculating here, but maybe it's the act of a guilty conscience and she doesn't want to take the shit when her accusations are proven to be false.

PURELY SPECULATION.

mesaSteeler
03-09-2010, 08:40 PM
Roethlisberger, at very least, has been guilty of serial bad judgment
Don Banks
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/03/09/roethlisberger/index.html

Story Highlights
Ben Roethlisberger showed maturity on the field early in his career
Off the field, Roethlisberger continues to make very poor decisions
Big Ben is playing by his own rules and might believe he's bullet-proof

The irony is once upon a time we were all so taken with Ben Roethlisberger's maturity level. Remember when he first took the field as a Pittsburgh Steelers rookie in 2004 and made everything look so easy, almost effortless? It was as if he had been there and done that, even though we knew he hadn't. For an NFL novice, Big Ben seemed years ahead of the curve in the process of winning his first 14 starts that season, setting an almost-impossible-to-beat new standard for rookie quarterback success stories.

But alas, first impressions don't always stand the test of time. The just-turned-28-year-old Roethlisberger we contemplate today isn't being celebrated much any more for his unique blend of on-field maturity, wisdom and judgment. Instead, we're questioning who he is as a person away from football, what's in his character, and what he might be capable of doing when his behavior is at its worst.

We don't know if Roethlisberger is guilty of committing sexual assault, as he now has been accused of for a second time in less than nine months. Short of any proof, this is the part of the story where I'm obligated to talk about due process running its course, the concept of innocent until proven guilty, and warn about the dangers of rushing to judgment against a person who has not been charged with any crime in either case.

But with that out of the way, here's what I think we do know about Roethlisberger at this point: At the very least, he's starting to look very guilty of serial bad judgment. He doesn't seem to know what's good for him, and he clearly doesn't respect the notion that there are boundaries of where he should be, when he should be there, and who he should be with.

It doesn't take a DNA test to know that Roethlisberger is young, single and likes to party. None of that is against the law, and didn't we all help make a late-night legend out of another rust-belt-born quarterback, Joe Namath, for doing the exact same thing about 40 years ago? But if I've been falsely accused of arson in the recent past, I'm going to stop playing with matches for a while. I'm going to make sure that the wrong perception about me that might exist out there isn't reinforced or perpetuated in any way.

If I'm Roethlisberger, who's still facing last year's civil suit alleging he sexually assaulted a Lake Tahoe, Nev., casino hostess in the summer of 2008, that means I'm swearing off hanging out in college-town bars until 2 a.m., making the frat-boy rounds with my entourage. Engaging groups of college-age women while out partying isn't helpful either. Quite a sacrifice, I know, but, hey, there is a pretty fair career to think of in this case. Not to mention a reputation that is rapidly approaching the state of being irreparably damaged.

You might think that every pro athlete in this day and age watched the self-destructive Tiger Woods saga unfold in the media, shuddered twice, and saw it as a cautionary tale when it comes to the excesses of fame and celebrity and the price they can exact. Woods is married and Roethlisberger is not, so the same standards don't apply, but then, no one has accused Tiger of sexual assault either.

I don't know exactly when a pattern of behavior shows itself to the point of becoming obvious, but I think by now it's safe to say Roethlisberger either doesn't get it or doesn't care. You think it can't all go away pretty quickly in a hail of bad decision-making, Ben? Talk to Michael Vick about that one. One day he was practically the young and fresh face of the NFL, and the next time we looked, he was the poster child for wasted opportunity.

If NFL commissioner Roger Goodell has made anything clear in his almost four-year tenure, it's that if you keep putting yourself in situations where you can be accused of wrong-doing -- even falsely in some cases -- you still bear some of the blame for creating the environment that led to the trouble. Once is an accident and twice is a trend is roughly Goodell's rule of thumb. The commish is very, very big on representing the NFL shield, and he doesn't give it just the lip-service routine.

When you add Roethlisberger's 2006 helmet-less motorcycle accident into the mix of questionable decision-making, this is the third offseason in five years the Pittsburgh quarterback has made the wrong kind of headlines and given us reason to question his thinking, his actions, or both. That's at least twice too many for any player, but particularly for one who carries the mantle of franchise quarterback for one of the most successful and beloved organizations in the NFL.

Whether he likes it or not, Roethlisberger is the face of the Steelers franchise. And these days, that face is not a very attractive one for Pittsburgh to put out there front and center. Some might say the captain's "C'' on his jersey now stands for "cad.'' In a statement Monday, Steelers president Art Rooney II said the team is "concerned about the recent incident'' involving Roethlisberger, and will continue to "closely monitor the situation.''

The problem is, the Steelers can't monitor Roethlisberger as closely as they need to, even though they shouldn't have to. He's apparently going to keep playing by his own rules, and going wherever he pleases, until he perhaps learns his lesson the hard way. And if he thinks it can't happen, it almost assuredly will.

As it turns out, maybe all that acclaim and success so early in his NFL career, the 14-1 rookie year and two Super Bowl rings in his first five seasons, served to make Roethlisberger believe he's bullet-proof. He wouldn't be the first star athlete to think the rules didn't apply, and to find out only too late that some of them most definitely do.

Roethlisberger's maturity level has again caught our attention and made us notice him anew. The twist this time is that his on-field judgment and responsibility has now been overshadowed by his off-field recklessness and lack of foresight. The lesson here seems simple, Ben: Sometimes trouble finds you. Sometimes you find the trouble. Either way, it's trouble all the same.

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 09:24 PM
great news... cops never lie. ben should have solid witnesses (other than willie colon who gave the typical cover up standard - "i dont know nuttin, i aint seen nuttin")

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.Bodyguards.2.1549219.html

Ben's Bodyguards Off-Duty Officers From W. Pa.

Investigators in Georgia want to interview eight people who were with Ben Roethlisberger on the night he allegedly sexually assaulted a 20-year-old female college student.

Sources indicate that two of those people are long-time bodyguards or security officers from the Pittsburgh area.

One is a police officer from Coraopolis and the other is a Pennsylvania State Trooper stationed at the Washington County barracks.

devilsdancefloor
03-09-2010, 09:26 PM
ive been thinking about the bullet proof angle for the past few days. I do not think it has to do with his great start as a QB more has to do with cheating death on a motorcycle than anything. I just hope he pulls his head out of his rectum before it is to late. I love the man on the field, but he needs to find a new hobby :noidea:. Im not saying he is guilty of anything or innocent of anything. i will wait until the facts come out as of now it is ALL speculation of what is what in this new case.

FredScott
03-09-2010, 09:30 PM
Obviously this is not true, just another bar sl*t trying to make a buck (sorry for the language). Makes me sick really but I do agree he should avoid going to night clubs but the fact is he was there with his 2 body guards and sorry they won't leave his side so for this chick to say he did this to her in the hallway or w/e is completely false. He might be single but he has to realize he's not gonna find a wife at a bar.

Shea
03-09-2010, 09:32 PM
That definitely would seem to bode well for Ben if he had two officers with him that night that might be able to vouche for him.

Also heard today that he and his legal team are bringing in their own investigators to go over the case themselves just to make sure all bases are covered and to get all their ducks lined up in case this finds its way into a courtroom.

I wonder why Ben hasn't appeared or released a statement himself yet though?

NJarhead
03-09-2010, 09:33 PM
Obviously this is not true, just another bar sl*t trying to make a buck (sorry for the language). Makes me sick really but I do agree he should avoid going to night clubs but the fact is he was there with his 2 body guards and sorry they won't leave his side so for this chick to say he did this to her in the hallway or w/e is completely false. He might be single but he has to realize he's not gonna find a wife at a bar.

How can you be so sure?

devilsdancefloor
03-09-2010, 09:39 PM
That definitely would seem to bode well for Ben if he had two officers with him that night that might be able to vouche for him.

Also heard today that he and his legal team are bringing in their own investigators to go over the case themselves just to make sure all bases are covered and to get all their ducks lined up in case this finds its way into a courtroom.

I wonder why Ben hasn't appeared or released a statement himself yet though?

i would think he is embarrassed and more than likely his lawyer told him to be quiet untl they have their ducks in a row.

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 09:41 PM
from now on ben should just be chillaxin' at home with some reefer and a masturbation station.

steeldawg
03-09-2010, 09:44 PM
Has anyone thought about the fact that if a women wanted to do this for money .. now would be the perfect time with his other case pending.... now you have people saying oh now theres 2 he must be guilty...

Shea
03-09-2010, 09:47 PM
from now on ben should just be chillaxin' at home with some reefer and a masturbation station.

I agree.

He has huge homes so he can also invite all his buddies over and party it up at home anytime he chooses, and they'll all have their own beds to pass out into at the end of the night. A safe situation for all involved.

Then leave it up to his buddies' wives to set him up with some trusting young ladies until he falls in love and can permantely keep out of the bars to look for some lovin.

supa_fly_steeler
03-09-2010, 09:49 PM
(other than willie colon who gave the typical cover up standard - "i dont know nuttin, i aint seen nuttin")

:sofunny::sofunny::sofunny::sofunny::sofunny::sofu nny::sofunny::applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::hat soff:

steeldawg
03-09-2010, 09:54 PM
Nice fight between OX and MOM< LOL. Guilty or not, civilly liable or not (McNulty) riding fast powerful bikes without a helmet. BB makes horrible decisions. I agree with both of you somewhat. I have said it in this thread before, I'll say it again, I hope BB straightens out, not for the sake of the Steelers but for his sake. He is or is becoming a man of very questionable character, which for me means he is not deserving to call himself a STEELER. Everyone makes mistakes, sometimes multiple mistakes. However, guilty or not, putting yourself in these situations is a mistake and when you are being paid 102 mil to represent the Pittsburgh Steelers, your team mates, the city, the fans and the NFL your list of allowable mistakes is small. IMO BB has used his free mistakes up. It is time for him to grow up, be the guy the Steelers are paying for (in all aspects of life) or it's time to move on. Sadly, as things move on maybe it's time for the Steelers to move BB on.

So if these two cases turn out to be bogus your suggesting we gid rid of our 2 time superbowl winning qb who we are paying 100 million dollars and is locked up for the next 7 years and is the face of our franchise and is one of the top qb's in the nfl for BAD DECISION MAKING off the field !!! Am I the only one who thinks this sounds completely ridiculous.

stillers4me
03-09-2010, 09:58 PM
For all we know, Ben has been laying low since the season ended and decided to go out and celebrate his birthday in the relative safety of friends and 2 reliable body guards. There's really nothing wrong with that, whether you agree with the decision or not.

Just remember, Kobe, Jerome, and the whole Duke LaCross team looked like coldhearted rapists when their cases broke the news. The only thing anybody knows at this point is a very small part of her side of the story and the fact that Ben has a habit of making himself look bad ( or at least the press is very good at spinning to look even worse. Nothing gets more hits on a sports blog than Ben's escapades or Brett Farve's "retirements".). Anything else is pure speculation.

While I listen to Bengals fans around me call him names and assume the worst, and say "what if that were your daughter?", I simply say that it would be equally terrifiying to me to have my son falsely accused of such a thing. Kobe cheated on his wife. I can't even imagine how it's changed those other boys life.

We don't know what's is in Ben's heart. Until I know differently, I am assuming that he would never do that to any women against her will, as I'm sure he would never want that to happen to his own sister. Let's just let the investigators do their job and not rush to judgement.

I do expect the Rooney's to be harsh to get his attention if he gets out of this with no charges. And while Ben owes Steelers fans nothing of his private time as far as I'm concerned, he does owe his employers and the fanbase a humble and sincere public apology for putting himself in this position a second time.

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 10:00 PM
I agree.

He has huge homes so he can also invite all his buddies over and party it up at home anytime he chooses, and they'll all have their own beds to pass out into at the end of the night. A safe situation for all involved.

Then leave it up to his buddies' wives to set him up with some trusting young ladies until he falls in love and can permantely keep out of the bars to look for some lovin.

see...

thats why i wanna trade for matt leinart.

atleast matt does beer bongs with 18 year old chicks in his jacuzzi at home and doesnt get accused of assault.

:thumbsup:

stillers4me
03-09-2010, 10:01 PM
So if these two cases turn out to be bogus your suggesting we gid rid of our 2 time superbowl winning qb who we are paying 100 million dollars and is locked up for the next 7 years and is the face of our franchise and is one of the top qb's in the nfl for BAD DECISION MAKING off the field !!! Am I the only one who thinks this sounds completely ridiculous.

No.

But Ben needs to do alot of work to clean up his image. He already does alot of charitable things. It's too bad those don't get as much press as his off field incidents.

steeldawg
03-09-2010, 10:01 PM
Last time I checked hotel rooms are not public places, and neither are women's restrooms in a public place. It's not like this stuff happened in the hotel lobby or club dance floor. Don't forget about the motorcycle and no helmet when we talk about poor decision making. See any pattern? No? Carry on.:banging:

THat was my point hotel room was in private and yes womens restrooms in a public place are for the general public. so he got an accident big deal no helmet ? I must be missing the pattern betwwen motorcycle helmets and sexual assualt.

stillers4me
03-09-2010, 10:07 PM
Originally Posted by SteelersinCA
Last time I checked hotel rooms are not public places, and neither are women's restrooms in a public place. It's not like this stuff happened in the hotel lobby or club dance floor. Don't forget about the motorcycle and no helmet when we talk about poor decision making. See any pattern? No? Carry on.

Thousands of people ride motorcycles everyday without helmets and thousands of people have snuck quickies in public places. uh hem....not that i know about any of that.......but getting back to the subject at hand, that's a pretty big leap from questionable decisions to coldhearted rapist.

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 10:09 PM
For all we know, Ben has been laying low since the season ended and decided to go out and celebrate his birthday in the relative safety of friends and 2 reliable body guards. There's really nothing wrong with that, whether you agree with the decision or not.

.no... i dont think so. there was the story of ben out clubbing and dropping the $10 bill.

last monday, in dallas, my very attractive waitress at 'twin peaks" showed me a cell phone photo of her and her girlfriend hugged up against big ben, when he was in dallas clubs for mardi gras celebrations a few weeks back. she knew of his rep as a "man wh0re" and said he was rude to her friend who mispronounced his name.

it seems like ben has been making the rounds.

doesnt make him a criminal though. i catered for a guns n roses concert years ago and axl rose was a complete dick. :noidea:

EDIT- after thinking about it, ben was probably in dallas around mardi gras for the nba all star break, partying it up. pac man jones made it rain during an nba all star break in vegas.

stillers4me
03-09-2010, 10:13 PM
no... i dont think so. there was the story of ben out clubbing and dropping the $10 bill.

last monday, in dallas, my very attractive waitress at 'twin peaks" showed me a cell phone photo of her and her girlfriend hugged up against big ben, when he was in dallas clubs for mardi gras celebrations a few weeks back. she knew of his rep as a "man wh0re" and said he was rude to her friend who mispronounced his name.

it seems like ben has been making the rounds.

doesnt make him a criminal though. i catered for a guns n roses concert years ago and axl rose was a complete dick. :noidea:

Dang him.. He's such a jerk.

Chad Johnson followed one of my husbands coworkers back to the office one day after he saw her picking up lunch at First Watch. That would have wierded me out.......it's a good thing he didn't have the hots for me coz I would have called the cops on the freak.

Prok
03-09-2010, 10:17 PM
For all we know, Ben has been laying low since the season ended and decided to go out and celebrate his birthday in the relative safety of friends and 2 reliable body guards. There's really nothing wrong with that, whether you agree with the decision or not.

Just remember, Kobe, Jerome, and the whole Duke LaCross team looked like coldhearted rapists when their cases broke the news. The only thing anybody knows at this point is a very small part of her side of the story and the fact that Ben has a habit of making himself look bad ( or at least the press is very good at spinning to look even worse. Nothing gets more hits on a sports blog than Ben's escapades or Brett Farve's "retirements".). Anything else is pure speculation.

While I listen to Bengals fans around me call him names and assume the worst, and say "what if that were your daughter?", I simply say that it would be equally terrifiying to me to have my son falsely accused of such a thing. Kobe cheated on his wife. I can't even imagine how it's changed those other boys life.

We don't know what's is in Ben's heart. Until I know differently, I am assuming that he would never do that to any women against her will, as I'm sure he would never want that to happen to his own sister. Let's just let the investigators do their job and not rush to judgement.

I do expect the Rooney's to be harsh to get his attention if he gets out of this with no charges. And while Ben owes Steelers fans nothing of his private time as far as I'm concerned, he does owe his employers and the fanbase a humble and sincere public apology for putting himself in this position a second time.

Can't argue that. Good post. Whether it's right or not, this Steelers fanbase is like part of the Steelers family. I mean just look at the ruckus it's caused on this board alone. And there are ALOT of Steelers MB's and fan clubs all over the country going through the same anxiety and angst that we are here.

It's not so much the fact that he's been accused.... It's the fact that it happened a SECOND time. This fanbase is VERY attached to our STEELERS. We do deserve a sincere public apollogy. Hopefully we get it and this case gets resolved quickly.

I've personally ran through the whole gamut of emotions on this incedent. And I understand why so many are disgusted.

But in certain posts you do get the strong feeling that the poster seemed to be waiting and hoping this type of thing arose so they could take their opportunity to pounce on Ben. And i will NOT name names or quote posts on this matter.

It's just a whole f##ked up perdicament all the way around. And it's caused quite a bit of us loyal die-hard Steelers fans alot of grief.

Heres a question i've asked myself alot over the last few days: Are our expectations on our Steelers players too high?

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 10:20 PM
Heres a question i've asked myself alot over the last few days: Are our expectations on our Steelers players too high?the simple answer is "yes".

there are people who have hated santonio holmes before he ever stepped on the field.

that DOESNT mean its wrong to hold ben to a higher standard. giving money to K-9's only goes so far; however, let us not forget ben was ripped for announcing that he donated his 1st playoff gamecheck to indonesia tsunami relief in his rookie year.

Prok
03-09-2010, 10:34 PM
the simple answer is "yes".

there are people who have hated santonio holmes before he ever stepped on the field.

that DOESNT mean its wrong to hold ben to a higher standard. giving money to K-9's only goes so far; however, let us not forget ben was ripped for announcing that he donated his 1st playoff gamecheck to indonesia tsunami relief in his rookie year.

I tell ya Tony i don't remember EVER being this angry, disgusted, hopeful for innocence (insert every other emotion imagineable here) in all my 30 plus years of Steelers fandom.

MichaelAngelo
03-09-2010, 10:40 PM
From the Orlando Sentinel what are your thoughts?:

“For all of Ben Roethlisberger’s on-field success, a second sexual assault allegation in as many years unveils a troubling pattern in Roethlisberger’s life, innocent or not. Guy’s just not being smart about his career and the positions in which he places himself. Why not draft an image-conscious quarterback such as Tim Tebow who, if anything else, could provide guidance to the two-time Super Bowl winner.

Tebow is similar to Roethlisberger in many ways. Roethlisberger has the much better arm, but they both aren’t considered textbook quarterbacks. They just get the job done. The two could be good for each other.”

here is link

Orlando Sentinel: “Steelers Should Draft Tim Tebow To Give Guidence To Roethlisberger” (http://blacksportsonline.com/home/index.php/2010/03/orlando-sentinel-steelers-should-draft-tim-tebow-to-give-guidence-to-roethlisberger/)

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 10:42 PM
I tell ya Tony i don't remember EVER being this angry, disgusted, hopeful for innocence (insert every other emotion imagineable here) in all my 30 plus years of Steelers fandom.you know what? all i can do is laugh...

and try to get others to laugh along with me. :smile:

this doesnt even compare to the anger and disgust i felt after losing our 5th straight game to the browns (knowing it was gonna cost us a playoff spot during our SB defending season) and ultimately losing a tiebreaker to the ravens and freaking jets. :mad:

Prok
03-09-2010, 10:44 PM
you know what? all i can do is laugh...

and try to get others to laugh along with me. :smile:

this doesnt even compare to the anger and disgust i felt after losing our 5th straight game to the browns (knowing it was gonna cost us a playoff spot during our SB defending season) and ultimately losing a tiebreaker to the ravens and freaking jets. :mad:

Ahhh the old open up another gaping wound to get your mind off the current gaping wound trick...

:chuckle:
:drink:

fansince'76
03-09-2010, 10:49 PM
From the Orlando Sentinel what are your thoughts?:

“For all of Ben Roethlisberger’s on-field success, a second sexual assault allegation in as many years unveils a troubling pattern in Roethlisberger’s life, innocent or not. Guy’s just not being smart about his career and the positions in which he places himself. Why not draft an image-conscious quarterback such as Tim Tebow who, if anything else, could provide guidance to the two-time Super Bowl winner.

Tebow is similar to Roethlisberger in many ways. Roethlisberger has the much better arm, but they both aren’t considered textbook quarterbacks. They just get the job done. The two could be good for each other.”

here is link

Orlando Sentinel: “Steelers Should Draft Tim Tebow To Give Guidence To Roethlisberger” (http://blacksportsonline.com/home/index.php/2010/03/orlando-sentinel-steelers-should-draft-tim-tebow-to-give-guidence-to-roethlisberger/)

Yeah, Tebow is gonna have the authoritative presence necessary as a wet-behind-the-ears rookie to come in and tell a 2-time SB-winning QB how to conduct his affairs. Uh-huh. :rolleyes:

The articles are getting more ridiculous by the day. Is the investigation done yet? :banging:

devilsdancefloor
03-09-2010, 10:49 PM
Can't argue that. Good post. Whether it's right or not, this Steelers fanbase is like part of the Steelers family. I mean just look at the ruckus it's caused on this board alone. And there are ALOT of Steelers MB's and fan clubs all over the country going through the same anxiety and angst that we are here.

It's not so much the fact that he's been accused.... It's the fact that it happened a SECOND time. This fanbase is VERY attached to our STEELERS. We do deserve a sincere public apollogy. Hopefully we get it and this case gets resolved quickly.

I've personally ran through the whole gamut of emotions on this incedent. And I understand why so many are disgusted.

But in certain posts you do get the strong feeling that the poster seemed to be waiting and hoping this type of thing arose so they could take their opportunity to pounce on Ben. And i will NOT name names or quote posts on this matter.

It's just a whole f##ked up perdicament all the way around. And it's caused quite a bit of us loyal die-hard Steelers fans alot of grief.

Heres a question i've asked myself alot over the last few days: Are our expectations on our Steelers players too high?

i cant disagree with anything in this post i think we all have run the emotional roller coaster with this. i really think we all hold the steelers players and the FO to a higher standard. I have been a fan so long they do feel like part of my family. there isnt a day i dont think about them or one of my kids wear something steelers. i mean for the rest of my life i wil be respresenting the greatest franchise in the world with my steelers tattoo. I have meet some of the most gracious, prideful and kindest people through steelers nation. No matter what city or state i am in if i s ee a steelers fan or they see me first they always say hello and say something about the steelers. We are a family no doubt about it.

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 10:49 PM
Ahhh the old open up another gaping wound to get your mind off the current gaping wound trick...

:chuckle:
:drink:au contraire...

that old gaping wound still hasnt healed, and this new one is a mere paper cut.

like i said earlier in the this thread, the last time ben 'raped' a woman in the offseason, we went on to win the superbowl. :cheer:

i seek the positive approach and outlook to ease my angst... :chuckle:

Prok
03-09-2010, 10:54 PM
au contraire...

that old gaping wound still hasnt healed, and this new one is a mere paper cut.

like i said earlier in the this thread, the last time ben 'raped' a woman in the offseason, we went on to win the superbowl. :cheer:

i seek the positive approach and outlook to ease my angst... :chuckle:

You're a model Steelers fan. Admirable trait.

:drink:

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 10:55 PM
Yeah, Tebow is gonna have the authoritative presence necessary as a wet-behind-the-ears rookie to come in and tell a 2-time SB-winning QB how to conduct his affairs. Uh-huh. :rolleyes:

The articles are getting more ridiculous by the day. Is the investigation done yet? :banging:

:sofunny: ben would have tebow performing sodomy on catholic high school girls within 3 days. :evil:

why corrupt a good kid who may or may not be able to play ball on this level?

SteelersinCA
03-10-2010, 01:02 AM
Not sure if this has been said yet and it doesn't make a huge difference, but this girl reportedly just dropped out of college.

Ammo for a civil suit, imho. Just tacking on the damages and claims for that cheese. Emotional distress, yada, yada.

steelerdude15
03-10-2010, 01:06 AM
Ammo for a civil suit, imho. Just tacking on the damages and claims for that cheese. Emotional distress, yada, yada.
Or thinking if she can score big, she never has to have a work a day in her life again.

SteelersinCA
03-10-2010, 01:07 AM
THat was my point hotel room was in private and yes womens restrooms in a public place are for the general public. so he got an accident big deal no helmet ? I must be missing the pattern betwwen motorcycle helmets and sexual assualt.

Poor decision making. Don't forget riding on a motorcycle with no helmet AND NO LICENSE. I don't expect everyone to share my opinion and you are certainly right in yours. I think he's dumb and that's all it really comes down to.:hug:

SteelersinCA
03-10-2010, 01:09 AM
Thousands of people ride motorcycles everyday without helmets and thousands of people have snuck quickies in public places. uh hem....not that i know about any of that.......but getting back to the subject at hand, that's a pretty big leap from questionable decisions to coldhearted rapist.

Never once said he was a rapist, but clearly he continues to put himself in bad situations through no ones fault but his own. I was always taught fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. Those thousands of people aren't getting paid 100 million btw.

Heart4Steelers
03-10-2010, 01:54 AM
Poor decision making. Don't forget riding on a motorcycle with no helmet AND NO LICENSE. I don't expect everyone to share my opinion and you are certainly right in yours. I think he's dumb and that's all it really comes down to.:hug:


May I add audacious and daft to the list?

mesaSteeler
03-10-2010, 05:50 AM
Big Ben Roethlisberger case has pricey potential
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_670894.html
By Carl Prine, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Wednesday, March 10, 2010

By the numbers

Sex-crimes prisoners in Georgia: 1,897

Convicted sex offenders living in Baldwin County: 76

Number incarcerated in Baldwin County: 8

Carl Prine is a Pittsburgh Tribune-Review staff writer and can be reached at 412-320-7826 or via e-mail.
Ways to get us

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- While the investigation into an alleged sexual assault involving Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger reached its sixth day, legal experts here and nationwide began focusing on how the media maelstrom might affect the probe.

A 20-year-old sorority student has accused Roethlisberger of attacking her in a corner restroom abutting the VIP room of the downtown Capital City nightclub. What's unusual about the case isn't the sex-crime investigation - Baldwin County has about 10 annually, according to state statistics - but the accused celebrity, his high-priced legal team and the phalanx of reporters and private detectives descending on this town of about 20,000.

In an age of cell phones, social media sites, 24-hour news and celebrity gossip Internet pages, the intense media scrutiny started shortly after the woman told police early Friday that Roethlisberger, 28, assaulted her.

"In 1991, before cell phones, before everyone had a computer, before everything like it is today, the only case we really had as a reference point was the William Kennedy Smith trial," said David Dreyer, the Marion County assistant prosecutor who successfully prosecuted boxer Mike Tyson of raping a beauty contestant in Indianapolis.

"We were mindful of the media atmosphere and the resources of the defendant and took steps so that all of that wouldn't interfere with the prosecution," Dreyer said.

No charges have been filed against Roethlisberger.

The Tribune-Review reported on Monday that Roethlisberger's accuser was planning to drop out of school. TMZ.com reported Tuesday that she is living with her parents near Atlanta.

Roethlisberger's prominent Atlanta criminal attorney, Edward T.M. Garland, insists the Steelers quarterback is innocent and predicted that the investigation led by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the Milledgeville Police Department will exonerate him.

Students said that Georgia investigators and Milledgeville police shouldn't be taken lightly by out-of-town reporters.

"They're no joke. Of course, you're dealing with 'small-town police,' but they take their jobs pretty seriously," said Amanda Damerow, 21 and a Georgia College & State University senior. "And especially with the college students. They look out for us. That's a reason why we feel so safe there. ... The students know that they can count on the police to be there when we need them."

Garland did not return telephone calls yesterday. He's represented a string of sports stars, including Baltimore Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis and former Atlanta Thrasher Dany Heatley.

If charges are filed in this case, the prosecutor will be Frederic D. Bright, a highly respected district attorney elected in 2006 to serve Baldwin and eight other counties in the Ocmulgee Judicial Circuit of central Georgia's state courts.

Bright released a statement saying that it would be premature to "make any announcement at this time."

"Fred Bright, he's a good man," criminal defense attorney Frank W. Hicks III said.

About one out of every 10 men on Georgia's death row had to deal with Bright first - and his circuit is only one of 49 statewide -- according to the state's Department of Corrections.

Dreyer, 54 -- now a judge in Indianapolis who wrote a sociology textbook chapter on crime, law and the media, titled "Mike Tyson: Boxing With the Media" -- said the Roethlisberger investigation likely will be affected by the media spotlight.

"Factually, the case against Tyson was not complicated. We had the witness information tied up early. As the case went to trial, however, a good portion of what concerned us involved managing what happens in the glare of the media," Dreyer said.

"We had something like 109 news organizations at the trial. We were concerned that people would act differently - judges, attorneys, witnesses, police. One of the things we did that worked out well was to bring the case before a confidential grand jury first."

Costs were another headache.

Financially, the trio of Indianapolis prosecutors found their lives for more than a year consumed by the litigation and appeals, including facing off against renowned lawyers such as Allan Dershowitz. The costs of jurors, overtime wages for the police guarding the hearings and other charges rose about $150,000 in 1991, expenses the taxpayers had to absorb.

Baldwin County and its 46,000 residents will bear any potential expenses tied to a lengthy trial.

The annual budget for Baldwin County's courts is about $2.2 million, not including judges' salaries paid by the state. Georgia has faced multibillion-dollar budget shortfalls. In 2009, lawmakers pruned about 15 percent from the court budget, and counties had to shave costs.

"If there's a finding by a grand jury, if anyone is indicted, then we will fund it like we would any other trial," said Baldwin County manager Joan Minton, 61. "But we're not at that point."

mesaSteeler
03-10-2010, 06:02 AM
Agent: Pittsburgh Steelers tackle Willie Colon saw nothing while with teammate Ben Roethlisberger

BY Gary Myers
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

Wednesday, March 10th 2010, 4:00 AM

Steelers right tackle Willie Colon, who is from the Bronx and played at Hofstra, was visiting Ben Roethlisberger for his birthday at his vacation home in Georgia last week and was at the club the night Roethlisberger was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year old college student. But Colon didn't see anything and has nothing to add to the investigation, his agent told the Daily News Tuesday.

It is believed Colon is the only Steeler who was with Roethlisberger last Thursday night when they stopped by several spots in Milledgeville, Ga., including Capital City, a popular club for college students and where the assault is alleged to have taken place.

Joe Linta, Colon's agent, said yesterday that Colon was on the dance floor much of the evening and was not aware there was an issue until Roethlisberger's group was detained on the way out. Linta said Colon and Roethlisberger are "pretty good friends." It's likely Colon will be on the list of eight people who will be questioned by the Milledgeville police or the Georgia Bureau of Investigations.

Regarding the alleged incident last week, Linta said Colon had no knowledge of anything "alleged or otherwise and his name need not be mentioned anymore. He didn't know anything, didn't see anything. He's of no use or help to anybody."

He said Colon left Georgia on Friday and returned to Pittsburgh. He had been staying at Roethlisberger's house on Lake Oconee in Greensboro, Ga.

Police expect to interview Roethlisberger this week. There is no indication when they will make a decision whether to file charges against him.

With The Associated Press

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2010/03/10/2010-03-10_agent_colon_saw_nothing_with_ben.html#ixzz0hm4d HBIC

pete74
03-10-2010, 06:02 AM
sounds like the prosecution will have trouble funding a case which means they wont file charges unless there almost 100% certain he did it.

personally i feel when this is all over ben will be not guilty but that dosnt change the fact that he needs to grow up and mature. like everyone else said, he makes very, very bad decisions. chasing after 20 year old college girls is not a good idea for a nfl qb. he needs to calm down, grow up and mature so we can get another superbowl ring or 2.

pete74
03-10-2010, 06:13 AM
http://www.yahoo.com/_ylt=Aolscqs8Dy.N_HVKi0H29qubvZx4/SIG=15ecm2tfk/**http%3A//us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/local/Pittsburgh/KDKA_Pittsburgh/fp/SIG=12dih0iqd/**http%253A%252F%252Fkdka.com%252Flocal%252FSports .agent.Roethlisberger.2.1549250.html

stillers4me
03-10-2010, 06:19 AM
sounds like the prosecution will have trouble funding a case which means they wont file charges unless there almost 100% certain he did it.

personally i feel when this is all over ben will be not guilty but that dosnt change the fact that he needs to grow up and mature. like everyone else said, he makes very, very bad decisions. chasing after 20 year old college girls is not a good idea for a nfl qb. he needs to calm down, grow up and mature so we can get another superbowl ring or 2.

Yes, Ben needs to make better decisions. But it also sounds like said 20 year old girl was chasing him from bar to bar all night.

Unless, of course, he forced her to do that, too.

pete74
03-10-2010, 06:36 AM
Yes, Ben needs to make better decisions. But it also sounds like said 20 year old girl was chasing him from bar to bar all night.

Unless, of course, he forced her to do that, too.

or maybe he followed her from bar to bar. who knows? eitherway if ben dosnt stop chasing college girls his carear will be over because if he gets acused a 3rd time im willing to bet he is done and we all know that money hungry ****s will be looking for him after all of this is over because he is an easy target now.

TackleMeBen
03-10-2010, 07:06 AM
Dang him.. He's such a jerk.

Chad Johnson followed one of my husbands coworkers back to the office one day after he saw her picking up lunch at First Watch. That would have wierded me out.......it's a good thing he didn't have the hots for me coz I would have called the cops on the freak.
you know you would have loved to been followed back to work by the one and only chad ocho cinco..lo:chuckle:

T&B fan
03-10-2010, 08:00 AM
has anyone asked how come a 20 yr old is in the bar ? drinking age is 21 in GA ,

plenewken
03-10-2010, 08:03 AM
has anyone asked how come a 20 yr old is in the bar ? drinking age is 21 in GA ,

I've read that in GA, it's 18 to go to a club and 21 to drink alcohol.
This being said, even if she had a fake ID, this doesn't make a sexual assault on her less of a crime.

SteelerFanInStl
03-10-2010, 08:18 AM
Yeah, Tebow is gonna have the authoritative presence necessary as a wet-behind-the-ears rookie to come in and tell a 2-time SB-winning QB how to conduct his affairs. Uh-huh. :rolleyes:

The articles are getting more ridiculous by the day. Is the investigation done yet? :banging:

:iagree: Everyone is suddenly an expert on what Ben and the Steelers should and should not do. :toofunny:

T&B fan
03-10-2010, 08:18 AM
I've read that in GA, it's 18 to go to a club and 21 to drink alcohol.
This being said, even if she had a fake ID, this doesn't make a sexual assault on her less of a crime.

no it don't , and thats not what I said .. if 18 gets you in te bar your asking for shit to happen drinkers and none drinkers mix real well after midnight ..

and thats just gota suck for a bar to not know who is ok to drink and whos not . . with out IDing everyone everytime and out on the floor how do you know who got te underage a drink .. most places if your not drinking age your not in the club .. then if your in the door you can drink .

WH
03-10-2010, 08:30 AM
Underager's are allowed in bars in GA as long as they wear a wrist band indicating they are underage.

memphissteelergirl
03-10-2010, 08:32 AM
For all we know, Ben has been laying low since the season ended and decided to go out and celebrate his birthday in the relative safety of friends and 2 reliable body guards. There's really nothing wrong with that, whether you agree with the decision or not.

Just remember, Kobe, Jerome, and the whole Duke LaCross team looked like coldhearted rapists when their cases broke the news. The only thing anybody knows at this point is a very small part of her side of the story and the fact that Ben has a habit of making himself look bad ( or at least the press is very good at spinning to look even worse. Nothing gets more hits on a sports blog than Ben's escapades or Brett Farve's "retirements".). Anything else is pure speculation.

While I listen to Bengals fans around me call him names and assume the worst, and say "what if that were your daughter?", I simply say that it would be equally terrifiying to me to have my son falsely accused of such a thing. Kobe cheated on his wife. I can't even imagine how it's changed those other boys life.

We don't know what's is in Ben's heart. Until I know differently, I am assuming that he would never do that to any women against her will, as I'm sure he would never want that to happen to his own sister. Let's just let the investigators do their job and not rush to judgement.

I do expect the Rooney's to be harsh to get his attention if he gets out of this with no charges. And while Ben owes Steelers fans nothing of his private time as far as I'm concerned, he does owe his employers and the fanbase a humble and sincere public apology for putting himself in this position a second time.

Excellent post!! :hatsoff::applaudit:

T&B fan
03-10-2010, 08:45 AM
Underager's are allowed in bars in GA as long as they wear a wrist band indicating they are underage.

how many of them wrist bands are found on the floor everynight :rofl:.

+NuBbS+
03-10-2010, 08:54 AM
i believe that ben did no such thing. as stated earlier, what is the harm in going out to celbrate your birthday? how many of us have went out and celebrated our birthdays? the thing with it is, fame + money = attention. attention + lie = payday. its a simple equation. im not buying this oh i dropped out of college bs and ben had the guards block off the womens bathroom. have u ever been to any club on a saturday? the bathroom line is like waiting for a damn rollercoaster!!! we'll just have to wait and see. i'm saying innocent until proven extremely guilty which IMO is highly unlikely.

vrabinec
03-10-2010, 09:05 AM
au contraire...

that old gaping wound still hasnt healed, and this new one is a mere paper cut.

like i said earlier in the this thread, the last time ben 'raped' a woman in the offseason, we went on to win the superbowl. :cheer:

i seek the positive approach and outlook to ease my angst... :chuckle:

lmao! Best post of the thread. Vile and insensetive, but great.

Dino 6 Rings
03-10-2010, 09:27 AM
Big Effing Sigh

That is all.

Godfather
03-10-2010, 10:22 AM
how many of them wrist bands are found on the floor everynight :rofl:.

:sofunny:

There was a country/western bar outside New Orleans that gave you a hard plastic wristband if you were 21. If you really wanted to you could slide it off and give it to someone but then you wouldn't be able to drink.

Heart4Steelers
03-10-2010, 12:10 PM
I have a question...

How come the public hasn't heard anything from Missy Peregrym or Natalie Gulbis? Why aren't they coming out to defend Ben's character? Their silence is deafening.


just askin...

Prok
03-10-2010, 12:14 PM
I have a question...

How come the public hasn't heard anything from Missy Peregrym or Natalie Gulbis? Why aren't they coming out to defend Ben's character? Their silence is deafening.


just askin...

Same thing with Willie Colon. And he was AT THE SCENE. Ya'd think he'd come out and defend Ben rather than try to distance himself as far as possible...

Northside Jonny
03-10-2010, 12:20 PM
Same thing with Willie Colon. And he was AT THE SCENE. Ya'd think he'd come out and defend Ben rather than try to distance himself as far as possible...

I don't think anyone is saying anything because NOBODY AND I MEAN NOBODY wants their name associated with a SEX CRIME! Regardless of their role.

pete74
03-10-2010, 12:25 PM
plus colon wasnt with him the entire time. he said he was on the dance floor if you can imagine that when the alleged incident occured

FredScott
03-10-2010, 12:31 PM
Hey I was just reading that the accuser is only 20yrs old, can someone tell me how she got into the nigth club in the first place? I'm gonna guess they server alcohol there so wouldn't it be 21 to get in there in the first place?

Nadroj 20
03-10-2010, 12:34 PM
Hey I was just reading that the accuser is only 20yrs old, can someone tell me how she got into the nigth club in the first place? I'm gonna guess they server alcohol there so wouldn't it be 21 to get in there in the first place?

It had been mentioned in the thread already (which i know is huge and its hard to find things in it) that they only have to be 18 to get into the club, then of course can not buy alcohol unless they are at least 21. IMO that is a stupid law and if your letting 18 year olds into a night club your inviting them to get into some kind of trouble (just in general nothing to do with this case)

Prok
03-10-2010, 12:38 PM
plus colon wasnt with him the entire time. he said he was on the dance floor if you can imagine that when the alleged incident occured

I'm kinda confused. I'd think that if I were there and my teamate was being charged with a crime like that i'd have probably come to their defense somewhat. At least come out and said something like "I was with him the whole night prior to that and he did nothing illegal" or something.

I guess it just makes me feel that Colon might be concerned about some sort of evidence etc..

I dunno. I could be way off here. Like I said quite a few times, something just isn't sitting right with me.

Northside Jonny
03-10-2010, 12:40 PM
I'm kinda confused. I'd think that if I were there and my teamate was being charged with a crime like that i'd have probably come to their defense somewhat. At least come out and said something like "I was with him the whole night prior to that and he did nothing illegal" or something.

I guess it just makes me feel that Colon might be concerned about some sort of evidence etc..

I dunno. I could be way off here. Like I said quite a few times, something just isn't sitting right with me.

Would you want your name associated with a sex crime ? I'm guessing no which is why you would distance yourself as far as possible. REGARDLESS OF YOUR ROLE

zulater
03-10-2010, 12:44 PM
I think this thread should be retitled, Steelers Nation held hostage day _

Because in all honesty that's what it feels like.:banging:

Prok
03-10-2010, 12:45 PM
Would you want your name associated with a sex crime ? I'm guessing no which is why you would distance yourself as far as possible. REGARDLESS OF YOUR ROLE

My point is Colon isn't the one being accused of said sex crime. By coming to his teamates defense he still would not be associated with the crime imo. Eh, who knows... I just think if I was the friend at the scene i'd surely have some input towards my friends defense...

We'll see i guess.

Prok
03-10-2010, 12:46 PM
I think this thread should be retitled, Steelers Nation held hostage day _

Because in all honesty that's what it feels like.:banging:

true dat.

:banging:

Northside Jonny
03-10-2010, 12:50 PM
My point is Colon isn't the one being accused of said sex crime. By coming to his teamates defense he still would not be associated with the crime imo. Eh, who knows... I just think if I was the friend at the scene i'd surely have some input towards my friends defense...

We'll see i guess.

Difference of opinion but I would not want my name associated with any of it no matter where I was when it happened. Especially if I where a pro athlete just being associated with an incident can cost you alot of money.

Indo
03-10-2010, 01:12 PM
Difference of opinion but I would not want my name associated with any of it no matter where I was when it happened. Especially if I where a pro athlete just being associated with an incident can cost you alot of money.

I have to agree.

It's not Colon's responsibility to "get the Back" of his buddy who is showing poor judgement and poor decision-making...
It's Ben's responsibility to make sure his friend (Colon) doesn't get dragged into a mess because of his own poor judgement and poor decision-making

Heart4Steelers
03-10-2010, 01:14 PM
Difference of opinion but I would not want my name associated with any of it no matter where I was when it happened. Especially if I where a pro athlete just being associated with an incident can cost you alot of money.



Too late. Colon and others were part of Ben's posse that night. The public will associate those in Ben's party espeically as more info comes out.

Colon is probably silent because this incident is still under investigation. Its a waiting game now.

Godfather
03-10-2010, 01:33 PM
Too late. Colon and others were part of Ben's posse that night. The public will associate those in Ben's party espeically as more info comes out.

Colon is probably silent because this incident is still under investigation. Its a waiting game now.

The real problem is Colon, as usual, did a lousy job of protecting Ben :popcorn:

pete74
03-10-2010, 01:36 PM
I'm kinda confused. I'd think that if I were there and my teamate was being charged with a crime like that i'd have probably come to their defense somewhat. At least come out and said something like "I was with him the whole night prior to that and he did nothing illegal" or something.

I guess it just makes me feel that Colon might be concerned about some sort of evidence etc..

I dunno. I could be way off here. Like I said quite a few times, something just isn't sitting right with me.

he's probably just telling the truth. if he lies he can do jail time for obstruction.

pete74
03-10-2010, 01:39 PM
Too late. Colon and others were part of Ben's posse that night. The public will associate those in Ben's party espeically as more info comes out.

Colon is probably silent because this incident is still under investigation. Its a waiting game now.

thats not true. its not like they all got together before going to the club and planned on one of them sexually assulting someone(allegedly). if colon's story of being on the dance floor when the alleged incident occured then he is in no wrong doing and therfor wont be accociated with this in any form

truesteelerfan
03-10-2010, 01:40 PM
The real problem is Colon, as usual, did a lousy job of protecting Ben :popcorn:

Yes he did! Again.

Heart4Steelers
03-10-2010, 03:06 PM
thats not true. its not like they all got together before going to the club and planned on one of them sexually assulting someone(allegedly). if colon's story of being on the dance floor when the alleged incident occured then he is in no wrong doing and therfor wont be accociated with this in any form


Let me put it this way, you are a product of your environment or as others like to put it, you are known by the company you keep. Ben is upstanding in front of a prepared interview, but in his private life he has become impetuous and mischievous.


I never accused Colon of collaborating with Ben, but he can be guilty by association. Regardless, the public will form their own opinion, whether it is right or wrong.

Prok
03-10-2010, 03:15 PM
Hey do you guys think Ben should settle ??



:coffee:

HAWK
03-10-2010, 03:18 PM
No.

pete74
03-10-2010, 03:23 PM
Hey do you guys think Ben should settle ??



:coffee:

:m16:
daaa, what do you think

supa_fly_steeler
03-10-2010, 04:04 PM
Report: Police Obtain Video From Ga. Dance Club

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. (KDKA) ― The police department investigating sexual assault allegations against Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger has reportedly obtained security video from the dance club where the incident allegedly occurred.


Entertainment news website TMZ is reporting the Milledgeville police department now has the footage from Capital City.

The alleged assault reportedly happened between 2 a.m. and 2:30 a.m. March 5.

TMZ also reports that Roethlisberger is visible on some of the tape. Including his penis.

Meantime, the 20-year-old female student making the allegations against Roethlisberger has reportedly dropped out of Georgia College & State University.

Roethlisberger has not been charged.

His attorney, Ed Garland, said in an interview with KDKA-TV on Tuesday in Atlanta that he predicts the quarterback will emerge from the accusations unscathed.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Capital.city.security.2.1551543.html

pete74
03-10-2010, 04:07 PM
i heard ben told cops he said the girl tripped and fell after they were done and she banged her head. thats not good for him either way, i didnt know she was banged up. he said they were messing around but didnt have sex

SteelCityMom
03-10-2010, 04:09 PM
Report: Police Obtain Video From Ga. Dance Club

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. (KDKA) ― The police department investigating sexual assault allegations against Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger has reportedly obtained security video from the dance club where the incident allegedly occurred.


Entertainment news website TMZ is reporting the Milledgeville police department now has the footage from Capital City.

The alleged assault reportedly happened between 2 a.m. and 2:30 a.m. March 5.

TMZ also reports that Roethlisberger is visible on some of the tape. Including his penis.

Meantime, the 20-year-old female student making the allegations against Roethlisberger has reportedly dropped out of Georgia College & State University.

Roethlisberger has not been charged.

His attorney, Ed Garland, said in an interview with KDKA-TV on Tuesday in Atlanta that he predicts the quarterback will emerge from the accusations unscathed.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Capital.city.security.2.1551543.html

No need to add stuff to the story that isn't really there. Quit trying to stir up the natives!

supa_fly_steeler
03-10-2010, 04:11 PM
No need to add stuff to the story that isn't really there. Quit trying to stir up the natives!

:rofl:

SteelCityMom
03-10-2010, 04:17 PM
:rofl:

:flap: Not to mention you (not the word lol) made me gasp.

Another thing I saw on TMZ while checking out their link to that story is that the sorority has apparently gone into lockdown mode.

TO's quote on it made me chuckle a bit.

It’s like the sorority never existed..kinda like the keyser soze of sororities..and like that..they were gone. -TO

Lol...The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist. And like that, poof. He's gone.

The rest of the story...

Ben Roethlisberger’s accuser may have dropped out of school, but her sorority is closing ranks — TMZ has learned the group’s leaders issued sorority-wide marching orders … including a mass Facebook takedown. Sources at Georgia College & State University — where the accuser was enrolled before the alleged incident — tell us the accuser’s sorority sisters have been ordered to take down each of their Facebook and Twitter accounts and refrain from wearing any clothing with the sorority letters until further notice. We’re told three members of the sorority’s national office visited the campus sorority house to check in on the situation — and may return later this week. We called the sorority for an official comment — so far, radio silence. –TMZ

http://www.terezowens.com/big-ben-accusers-sorority-on-lockdown/

I think it's funny that it seems that guys like TO and Ochocinco are coming to his defense in a way...I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not lol.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-10-2010, 04:23 PM
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I think it's funny that it seems that guys like TO and Ochocinco are coming to his defense in a way...I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not lol.

Yeah, T.O. , Chad Johnson and Ray Lewis' defense lawyer. Not the greatest of company. :doh:

I guess Leonard Little is out somewhere drinking and driving with Dante Stallworth......otherwise it would be interesting to hear their opinions. :coffee:

pete74
03-10-2010, 04:26 PM
i heard ben told cops he said the girl tripped and fell after they were done and she banged her head. thats not good for him either way, i didnt know she was banged up. he said they were messing around but didnt have sex

this definatly dosnt help the defense. i heard it on kdka and it sounded like she had some bruisers

Dino 6 Rings
03-10-2010, 04:31 PM
this definatly dosnt help the defense. i heard it on kdka and it sounded like she had some bruisers

what the ef are you talking about, that's not reported anywhere

Burghfan58
03-10-2010, 04:32 PM
I realize his lawyers are going to tell him to keep quiet. I'm curious how long after we find out if charges are being filed that Ben addresses this situation and tells Steeler Nation that he's sorry for being an idiot. Maybe never. I hope he at least tells his teamates and the Rooneys. He at least owes them that.

steeldawg
03-10-2010, 04:34 PM
what the ef are you talking about, that's not reported anywhere

He's also responding to his own quote like someone else said it!!:rofl:

+NuBbS+
03-10-2010, 04:41 PM
:coffee: let me more when the bs gets even more out of hand....lol

TackleMeBen
03-10-2010, 04:42 PM
Lawyers ask for respect of Roethlisberger accuser's privacy
ATLANTA -- Attorneys for the woman who accused Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger of sexual assault said she did the right thing by going to police and asked for privacy in a statement Tuesday.

Atlanta-based attorneys Lee Parks and David Walbert said in the statement released to several media outlets that the woman is assisting police. They said they were hired to advise the woman and her family while police investigate the allegations.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d816db1da&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

The 20-year-old told police that two-time Super Bowl-winning Roethlisberger, who had been out barhopping with friends, assaulted her early Friday at a nightclub in Milledgeville, Ga. Roethlisberger hasn't been charged.

"Their daughter has done the right thing and reported this matter to the police," reads the statement released by the attorneys' Atlanta law firm, Parks, Chesin & Walbert. "She has been, and will be, available to the authorities to assist them in the criminal investigation. While the matter is under investigation, we ask you to respect her privacy, keep her name out of the press and allow the family space and time to heal."

Parks and Walbert didn't return calls and e-mails from The Associated Press.

Ed Garland, an attorney for Roethlisberger, has said the quarterback is innocent of any crime.

"The facts show that there was no criminal activity. No sexual assault occurred," Garland said in a statement Monday.

Milledgeville police have said they expect to interview Roethlisberger in the next several days and are planning to take a DNA sample from him.

Roethlisberger, who owns a home about 30 miles north of Milledgeville on Lake Oconee, also is being sued by a woman who claims he raped her in 2008 at a hotel-casino in Lake Tahoe -- an allegation he strongly denies.

Dino 6 Rings
03-10-2010, 04:44 PM
I wonder what sorrority it was?

Zeta Tau Alpha's facebook page seems pretty stripped of content.

could be Alpha Delta Pi or Delta Zeta too, I wonder which one it is and why they wanted their facebook locked down? Could there be some "nonsense" pictures up of the girls acting less than proper while drinking underage out on the town? Just wondering.

pete74
03-10-2010, 04:44 PM
what the ef are you talking about, that's not reported anywhere

i watched it on the kdka news at 5pm

stillers4me
03-10-2010, 04:46 PM
Also heard on the video is the 20 year old asking why he is called "Big Ben".

pete74
03-10-2010, 04:46 PM
He's also responding to his own quote like someone else said it!!:rofl:

yea thats funny. sorry my little buddy but i dont make crap up. if you watch kdka maybe you can hear it to. i added to my post but accidently quoted instead of editing.

Dino 6 Rings
03-10-2010, 04:47 PM
i watched it on the kdka news at 5pm

Link it.

steeldawg
03-10-2010, 04:48 PM
yea thats funny. sorry my little buddy but i dont make crap up. if you watch kdka maybe you can hear it to.

No need to lie my friend i can read the post in response to a quote made by yourself. :rofl:

Steel Mountain
03-10-2010, 04:50 PM
I still say that whatever happened to that girl that night is nothing compared to the embarassment, ridicule, damaged reputation and hurt that she has willingly inflicted upon herself and her family. I could see enduring that stuff in the case of full on rape and wanting to get a real criminal behind bars (and if that describes Ben, put him behind bars while I eat my hat) and off the streets. I feel that all people need to take responsibility for their actions AND REACTIONS when intoxicated. Make a bad decision....your bad. Had she stumbled drunk into a dark alley in Homewood/Brushton, I wonder what would have happened?

pete74
03-10-2010, 04:51 PM
No need to lie my friend i can read the post in response to a quote made by yourself. :rofl:

so you can read:rofl:???? wow your moving ahead in the world:dizzy:. keep up the good work


ps. i will be laughing when you finally see the news report about her falling

steeldawg
03-10-2010, 04:53 PM
I didnt say anything about a news report.

TackleMeBen
03-10-2010, 04:53 PM
ps. i will be laughing when you finally see the news report about her falling
so what did she fall over????? that is the million dollar question

pete74
03-10-2010, 04:56 PM
all it said is that ben claimed she fell and im asuming she is saying he assulted her which is why the entire thing started. it didnt go into much detail

SteelCityMom
03-10-2010, 04:56 PM
I wonder what sorrority it was?

Zeta Tau Alpha's facebook page seems pretty stripped of content.

could be Alpha Delta Pi or Delta Zeta too, I wonder which one it is and why they wanted their facebook locked down? Could there be some "nonsense" pictures up of the girls acting less than proper while drinking underage out on the town? Just wondering.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. It couldn't be that they'd be worried about any pics of her helping out the needy or petting puppies or anything ya know lol.

Just though it was odd that a whole sorority would be told to take content on FB down b/c one of them is involved in a lawsuit.

Vincent
03-10-2010, 04:57 PM
what the ef are you talking about, that's not reported anywhere

Its mentioned prominently in the KDKA video at the above link. She apparently "slipped on something", and "hit her head", as awful as that sounds. :yikes: :ouch: :huh:

That's probably how "the DNA" got on her. No, that doesn't sound right. She slipped on it. No, she fell into it. No, wait.......

SteelCityMom
03-10-2010, 04:58 PM
Yeah, T.O. , Chad Johnson and Ray Lewis' defense lawyer. Not the greatest of company. :doh:

I guess Leonard Little is out somewhere drinking and driving with Dante Stallworth......otherwise it would be interesting to hear their opinions. :coffee:

To the best of my knowledge To and Johnson don't employ him as a defense attorney...just noticed that they've both been pretty active in commenting on the situation.

I just thought the Usual Suspects reference was funny lol.

steeldawg
03-10-2010, 04:58 PM
On a serious note .....Does anyone know why no charges have been filed by now .....one would think if they found dna evidence that would be at least enough to give probable cause????

TackleMeBen
03-10-2010, 04:59 PM
i dont want to hear from him at all.... and when he does talk he better make sure he tells everyone what a freaking idiot he is for hanging out with college girls when he is almost 30yrs old.

SteelCityMom
03-10-2010, 05:00 PM
Its mentioned prominently in the KDKA video at the above link. She apparently "slipped on something", and "hit her head", as awful as that sounds. :yikes: :ouch: :huh:

That's probably how "the DNA" got on her. No, that doesn't sound right. She slipped on it. No, she fell into it. No, wait.......

:rofl:

I swear, if her falling is what this whole thing got blown up over, I'll pop a cap in someone lol.

pete74
03-10-2010, 05:00 PM
:coffee: let me more when the bs gets even more out of hand....lol

im glad someone else saw what i posted so posts like this can stop