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mesaSteeler
03-11-2010, 09:39 PM
After Making Late-Night Pass, Big Ben Left Scrambling
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/11/after-making-late-night-pass-big-ben-left-scrambling/
3/11/2010 7:45 PM ET By David Whitley
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o David Whitley
o David Whitley is a national columnist for FanHouse

The news just gets worse and worse for Ron Mexico Roethlisberger. That's bad news for all of us who want to take the high road.

Anytime somebody is accused of a crime we invoke "innocent until proven guilty" and giving people the "benefit of the doubt." Then I read where Roethlisberger was in a bathroom last Friday night.

Not just any bathroom, but a women's bathroom.

At a college bar. At 2:30 a.m. With an underage 20-year-old coed.

This raises a few questions: Was the men's room full? Is Big Ben a closet transvestite? Did the girl request a private reenactment of Roethlisberger's 2006 motorcycle crash?

Yeah, that's it. Then she slipped, banged her head, and encountered Roethlisberger's DNA and suddenly got $$$ in her eyes.

Sarcasm usually isn't called for in a sexual-assault case, but this one is quickly veering into Saturday Night Live territory. A Super Bowl-winning quarterback fooling around with a coed in a women's room?

I'm trying to recall the last time that happened to Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. At least they would deserve the benefit of the doubt. This one is so incriminating even ESPN is reporting it.

You'll recall the network resisted informing us about the sexual assault suit filed against Roethlisberger last summer. That was civil, and this is criminal. So ESPN has joined the Big Ben feeding frenzy.

It's already been established that he's an idiot. Make that idiot squared, considering Roethlisberger didn't learn anything from last year's trip through the sexual assault mud.

Nobody is saying a single, 28-year-old multimillionaire shouldn't go out and have a good time. But unwritten rules come with being a famous NFL quarterback.

Rule No. 1-- Don't end up in a women's bathroom at 2:30 a.m.

Just because you do doesn't mean you're a sexual predator, of course. It's just that Roethlisberger has acknowledged "sexual contact." It's unclear what he means by that, but I keep getting flashbacks of Bill Clinton getting cross-examined about a blue dress.

It is no longer a question of whether something happened. From William Kennedy Smith to Mike Tyson to the accused rapist on your 11 o'clock news, this is going to come down to one question:

Was it consensual?

The man will say yes. The woman will say no.

They are the only ones who will ever know the truth. And they may truly believe they are right and the other person is lying.

Ben Roerthlisberger

But how could Roethlisberger ever allow himself to be put in such a position?

Oh yeah, we already established he's an idiot. On to more late-breaking developments:

The circumstantial evidence.

For some Pittsburgh fans, the only circumstance that matters is that Roethlisberger is a franchise quarterback. If he played for Baltimore, they'd be ready to send him to Leavenworth.

Speaking of which, imagine if we changed all the "Roethlisbergers" to "Vick" in this story. Roger Goodell would have run him out of the league by 9 a.m. Saturday. Though as Big Ben fans would point out, at least their hero didn't seek herpes treatment under the alias Ron Mexico.

He certainly wasn't trying to hide his identity Friday night. According to various reports, Roethlisberger and his posse bar-hopped the night away. The $102-million frat boy enjoyed the usual celebrity adulation.

At one bar, a student named Amber Hanley asked Roethlisberger to pose for a picture with her friend. He seemed disappointed that's all she wanted.

"Hanley said she rolled her eyes, and Roethlisberger called her an expletive and walked away," the AP reported. Later, Roethlisberger was aggressively hitting on another girl, Hanley said.

Maybe she just said that because she's a Brady fan. Maybe Roethlisberger's 20-year-old accuser is a gold-digger who stalks rich prey. Unlike last year's accuser, however, she went straight to police.

They took her to a hospital, where she presumably went through sexual assault protocols. Now police are asking Roethlisberger for a DNA sample. That means they they have something that potentially matches.

No word yet whether Roethlisberger will cooperate. His lawyer did say his firm has hired a team of investigators.

You can be sure it's pouring over the accuser's history looking for signs of mental instablity, promiscuity and cheering for the Ravens. How long until Team Roethlisberer hires Ari Fleischer for damage control?

"The fans and the people that believe in him should be patient," attorney Ed Garland said. "The truth will come out."

Will it?

Barring a bombshell, like Roethlisberger showing up at trial in a low-cut gown, this looks like a classic He-Said, She-Said. I'd hate to have to decide such a case.

Fortunately, I won't have to. Neither will you unless you are in the Baldwin County, Ga. jury pool. We can form opinions and discuss the case before the verdict is read.

So forgive me for veering off the high road. I really would like to give Roethsliberger the benefit of the doubt. But the more I hear, the more I come back to one simple question:

Why?

tony hipchest
03-11-2010, 09:51 PM
The news just gets worse and worse for Ron Mexico Roethlisberger. That's bad news for all of us who want to take the high road.

:rolleyes:

while slightly humerous, this comment is just plain dumb.

Commenting on Roethlisberger
http://www.observer-reporter.com/www...nes/index.html
F. Dale Lolley, the Observer-Reporter's veteran Steelers beat reporter, provides an inside view for Pittsburgh and the rest of the National Football League.

this, so far, is the best article ive read on the matter.

Prok
03-11-2010, 10:04 PM
Boy I tell ya mesasteeler I loved the F.Dale Lolley article. After that it went straight downhill. Hell i even think i read an article i already posted earlier. lol

pittguy578
03-11-2010, 11:30 PM
Ok so there was potentially sexual contact. How do you prove that if no intercourse? And how does hitting her head come into play? I mean I know this sounds crass, but are people saying there was a "violent" assault after the sexual assault?

With no witnesses, this is all going to boil down to the victim's state at the time-whether she was highly intoxicated or on another substance.

mesaSteeler
03-11-2010, 11:38 PM
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_671224.html#

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Big Ben to be investigated in excruciating detail

By Jill King Greenwood
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Friday, March 12, 2010

Questions of credibility, consent and science likely are guiding Georgia authorities as they investigate a sex assault allegation against Ben Roethlisberger, lawyers and police say.

Answering those questions -- and deciding whether to charge the two-time Super Bowl champion -- could take months.

"Sex assault cases often take longer to investigate than other crimes because we'll exhaust all options, check every fact and interview everyone we can, multiple times, before we take someone to jail," said Pittsburgh police Sgt. Larry Scirotto, who isn't involved in the investigation.

A 20-year-old student at Georgia College & State University told police in Milledgeville, Ga., that Roethlisberger, 28, assaulted her in a bathroom near a VIP room of the Capital City bar late March 4 or early March 5. Police released few details about what she told them.

Investigators requested a DNA sample from Roethlisberger, although they did not say what kind of evidence they collected to which it could be compared.

In Pittsburgh, results of DNA testing can take six to eight weeks on average, said Downtown criminal defense attorney Bill Difenderfer.

"DNA has been nothing short of a revolution in cases of sex assault allegations," said University of Pittsburgh law professor David Harris. "They can prove that there was activity between two people, if there is any question of the person being accused not being the right one."

In Milledgeville, former Assistant District Attorney Carl Cansino said investigators are "moving very deliberately here."

"It will take a while," said Cansino, a defense attorney in the Ocmulgee Judicial Circuit of central Georgia's state court that would hear the Roethlisberger case if it goes to court.

"The Georgia Bureau of Investigation must do all the interviews. Then the agents will submit the evidence they gather in an official report to the district attorney, Fred Bright," Cansino explained. "Fred is meticulous. He's going to spread all that evidence out on a big table. He and his staff will look at all the evidence, taking it all in, looking at the case like they would a big ball of wax to see if there are chargeable offenses."

Roethlisberger can invoke his Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination and refuse to give a statement to investigators, who said they want to interview him and about eight people with him that night.

Investigators can get a search warrant for his DNA, Difenderfer said. Georgia authorities have not asked for one, according to the Baldwin County Clerk of Courts and the magistrate court in Milledgeville.

"If Big Ben doesn't give a statement, that in and of itself sends a very loud message to the cops," Difenderfer said. "It makes him look guilty. But it would be smart for his attorney to put the statement off for a while, until he knows what the full allegations are and what evidence the police do or do not have."

Roethlisberger attorney Edward T.M. Garland did not return a call seeking comment.

The issue of consent can be critical in sexual assault cases and "often very difficult to prove," Scirotto said.

In a sexual situation, someone can revoke consent and say "No" at any time, "and then it's no longer consensual activity," Harris said.

"These cases often come down to one person's word against another, and that's where even DNA evidence won't prove who is telling the truth," Harris said. "That's why you take your time, you run down all the facts and go very slowly, very carefully, and you see whose story matches the facts. Is one person more consistent than another? Does one person have a questionable background?"

The fact that Roethlisberger faces an accusation of sexual assault in Nevada could "taint" him, at least in public opinion, lawyers say. A former employee of Harrah's Casino in Lake Tahoe sued Roethlisberger last year, but no criminal charges were brought. The civil case is pending.

"This new allegation coming up with that prior case hanging out there is just horrible news for Roethlisberger," Difenderfer said. "Whether he did anything wrong or not, the public will believe he has a problem, and that this signals a pattern. He's tainted, his reputation will never recover."

Jill King Greenwood can be reached at jgreenwood@tribweb.com or 412-321-2160.

zulater
03-11-2010, 11:44 PM
And of course, accusations mean he's automatically guilty. Well, that seems to be the popular thinking, anyway.

By who? Obviously it's a concern, it's a fear, but as far as someone making the declaritive statement, "he's guilty!" Just not seeing it bub.



Not one person disputes that he put himself into this situation. What they DO dispute is the notion that he was in the situation, therefore he's guilty as sin of sexual assault.

You read what you want into what people say all the time, or just selectively?


So apparently it IS too much to ask for people to wait until the facts come out before sending him to the guillotine. Thanks for the admission.

Lol, what an idiotic thing to say. Yeah I've sent Ben to the guilotine. :toofunny: Thanks for revealing what a joke this responce of yours is. :wave:



I would call that hypocrisy and bandwagonism.

I would call it any fans right. Hypocracy is rushing to judgement on other teams players but refusing to accept that your own house might be in disarray.



Again, not one person disputes this and everyone has the same concern.



If a person says they're never going to root for him again, then when he throws a TD pass, said person should keep his or her butt planted in your seat/couch/chair. Stand up for what you believe in. Anything else, and you are a hypocrite.

It's any rationale person's right to change their mind as the information changes. Again it's not my avenue, I'm not bailing on Ben now, nor will I unless the Steelers choose to do so. But I wont bash those that do. It's their right.



Wrong answer, but nice try anyway. She gets more shit than anyone on this board because she is a female, and moreso because she's a female moderator. Can't be any other explanation.

Wow, are you are so full or shit. You have no insight whatsover as to why I choose to answer any specific post at any specific time. What do you think you're Carmac or something?


And I know you better than you think I do.

Lucky me?

No argument here.



No argument here either, for the simple fact that the guy is too old to be hanging out in college bars. Other than that, the man is entitled to go out and party the same as anyone else.

I really have no problem with him going to a college bar. But damnit, if he meets some gal that might interest him ask her to a movie or dinner? Make it a double date the first few times, security in numbers. Show a little patience. Don't try banging gals on the first night!



It would actually have to get to that point first, would it not? Since no formal charges have been levied, it's pointless to even speculate about that right now.

We all hope no charges will be filed. But right now it's as if all of Steelers nation is being held hostage by this situation. so of course we speculate on it. That's what us flawed humans sometimes do on message boards, idle speculation. Surprised you didn't know that.


I think it's about time we stop holding athletes and other celebrities to higher standards and realize that they are human beings just like anyone else.

Higher standards? How about holding them to a normal standard of common decency and public maturity? That's all I want or expect.


Besides, a man taking a woman into the restroom for a quickie (or anything else) is something that happens hundreds of times a day.

Geez, where do you live? I had relations with quite a few woman prior to getting married,But I never had a quickie in a rest room. And if I had been tempted it probably wouldn't have been with a stranger.

It's hardly uncommon and definitely not shock-worthy. The only difference is most of us aren't rich and famous, and thus have a bullseye on our backs as a result.

Well if you have a bulls eye on your back, why are you taking a girl you only just met into a freaking bathroom? It's indefesible what Ben did by taking that girl into a secluded area. Basically he did a good job prior to that of insulating himself from potential landmines, and then BOOM! Just like that, those cops, big Willie colon, all goes for naught because Ben takes the gal into an isolated area! Damnit!!!



Ben doesn't owe the fans a damn thing. The only people he needs to apologize to are the Rooneys (the guys who sign his paychecks), his teammates (the ones he goes to war with and have to rely on to be successful) and his family (self-explanatory)...IOW, the only ones who really matter.

Well if he doesn't owe the fans anything then why do they owe him the benifit of the doubt?

I really don't think it works that way, and I really believe the Rooney's don't think it works that way either. I think they take pride in the interaction between the team and the fans. I think those jerseys, those posters, those bumper stickers, video games, etc.. that we buy matter. The fans are the bedrock of the league. The players represent the fans and the city they play for. The fans deserve the players to conduct themselves with at least a minimum standard of decency. When they fall short they owe the fans some degree of an apology or be gone.

Derreck Aanderson gets it. You obviously don't.

tony hipchest
03-11-2010, 11:56 PM
Well if he doesn't owe the fans anything then why do they owe him the benifit of the doubt?
.

ZING!!!

Geez, where do you live? I had relations with quite a few woman prior to getting married,But I never had a quickie in a rest room. And if I had been tempted it probably wouldn't have been with a stranger. in all honesty, ive been out a ton of times, and can easilly say ive seen a dozen nice lady strangers i would gladly take up on the offer in any given evening. :noidea:

zulater
03-12-2010, 05:45 AM
ZING!!!

in all honesty, ive been out a ton of times, and can easilly say ive seen a dozen nice lady strangers i would gladly take up on the offer in any given evening. :noidea:

That's all fine and good Tony, providing you're not a recognizable, wealthy, public figure, with outstanding litagation already hovering over you. Like I said before, Ben seemed to have a fine plan in place with his personal security detail/posse. But he compromised it all the moment he took that girl behind closed doors away from the group.

vrabinec
03-12-2010, 08:03 AM
I read that the first time you posted it, and it's just as amazing now as it was then. I understand your wife's reaction, but dude...it's a GAME. Just a GAME. It is NOT supposed to be this important in your life. There are far, FAR more important things in this world than a game...like your family? With all due respect, if the Steelers have this much of an impact on your life, then you have your priorities screwed up.

lol! ..said the guy who's on the Steeler forums same as me. Of course family's more important. Never insinuated that it wasn't. You say the Steelers shouldn't have this much impact on my life, do you mean they shouldn't have so much impact that I buy merchandise? I'm sure the Steelers would love it if all their fans stopped caring so much that they bought merchandise. Or I should stop caring so much that I want to go to games? Yeah, empty stadiums would be nice too. You certainly can't mean that I should stop caring so much that I come on here and talk about the Steelers with other Steeler fans, since you're on here too. Should I not be sad if they lose and euphoric when they're rolling in the playoffs? Ah, I get it, I shouldn't care what happens to the players once they're off the field. I shouldn't be sad when I hear of the tragedy that befalls Mike Webster who used to come to my high school (Peters Township) and run now and then took the time to talk to us. I shouldn't care when I see Troy going out of his way to play with kids. I shouldn't care when I hear that Joe Gilliam gets hooked on cocaine. I shouldn't care when I hear Greg Lloyd put a gun in his kid's mouth. I shouldn't care when Ben nosedives into a windshield and almost dies. I should basically just treat them like goldfish, and just watch them. No, wait, I care about my goldfish. Maybe treat them like a display I see in the Macy's storefront window, something pretty to look at. I will as soon as you do.

SteelCityMom
03-12-2010, 08:03 AM
Georgia nightclub hires its own lawyer
Could face lawsuit over Roethlisberger
Friday, March 12, 2010
By Jonathan D. Silver, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Capital City, the nightclub that was the site of a sexual assault allegedly carried out by Ben Roethlisberger, has hired a lawyer to handle requests and prepare for the possibility of being sued over the incident.

So far the club's manager, Rocky Duncan, has been formally interviewed by authorities in Milledgeville, Ga., and Carl Cansino, a criminal defense lawyer there, said the club will cooperate with requests by police to speak with other employees.

"He was managing the bar. He accommodated the parties by making the VIP room available, and he did not witness any of the offenses that have been alleged," Mr. Cansino said Thursday.

Police are investigating allegations that the Steelers quarterback sexually assaulted a 20-year-old woman at the night club, near the college campus, last Friday. Police have not filed any charges.

Investigators have obtained video from the club, but none of the cameras was trained on the VIP room where Mr. Roethlisberger was socializing with friends, Mr. Cansino said.

Cameras were instead trained on the front entrance and the main bar area.

Agents with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, which is assisting Milledgeville police, were supposed to photograph the interior of the club Thursday in order to make a sketch of the premises, Mr. Cansino said.

Tom Davis, special agent in charge of the bureau's Milledgeville office, has not returned requests for comment.

Milledgeville police Deputy Chief Richard Malone, who conducted the first news conference on the situation last week, deferred to his boss, Chief Woodrow W. Blue Jr., who was not available.

A focus of the investigation has been a rest room near the VIP lounge where evidence has been collected. The rest room is for use by VIP patrons and musicians playing live gigs. Mr. Cansino described the space as a small, plain unisex bathroom.

"It's just a toilet," Mr. Cansino said. "It's not fancy."

Mr. Roethlisberger, who turned 28 on March 2, spent the night of March 4 visiting several bars, restaurants and clubs in downtown Milledgeville.

He was accompanied by Steelers tackle Willie Colon, off-duty Coraopolis police Officer Anthony J. Barravecchio, off-duty Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Ed Joyner and several other men who have not been identified.

Before the group got to Capital City, a Milledgeville police officer was already in contact with the club to let management there know that Mr. Roethlisberger was on his way, Mr. Cansino said. He did not know the name of the officer or how the officer came into contact with the quarterback.

Mr. Cansino said Mr. Duncan, the club's manager, told the police officer that the club had a VIP room that would be available to Mr. Roethlisberger.

Police have said that the alleged victim approached a Milledgeville police officer between 2 and 2:30 a.m. last Friday, and members of her party identified Mr. Roethlisberger as her assailant.

Police came into Capital City around that time seeking the quarterback and his friends. Bar closing time in Georgia is 2 a.m., and the club staff were cleaning up.

"According to our employee at the time, all the patrons were leaving, that's when Milledgeville police made contact with our employee," Mr. Cansino said. "They pointed the direction to where they were, and the police made contact."

Mr. Cansino did not know how long the officer spent speaking with Mr. Roethlisberger and his party, but he said it was more than a brief chat.

Mr. Colon's agent, Joe Linta, said police did not interview his client that night and have not tried to reach him since then. Mr. Linta said Mr. Colon was on the club's dance floor and did not see police interact with Mr. Roethlisberger.

Officer Barravecchio's lawyer, Michael F. Santicola, said police did not speak to his client.

Coraopolis police Chief Alan DeRusso said he learned of the incident Sunday from television and did not speak about with Officer Barravecchio, a 10-year department veteran, until the next day.

"He wasn't involved with anything, and he didn't see anything," Chief DeRusso said. "He didn't get into anything. That's basically it. He just wanted me to be assured that he wasn't involved in anything."

The chief did not press Officer Barravecchio for more information or ask him to submit any paperwork, especially considering he was on vacation because of his longtime friendship with Mr. Roethlisberger.

State police spokeswoman Lt. Myra Taylor said she did not know if Trooper Joyner had submitted any documentation about the incident to his superiors.

Trooper Joyner, who works in the Washington barracks, applied in 2005 to be a driver and assistant to Mr. Roethlisberger. Mr. Santicola described the trooper, who is a friend of his, as a friend of the quarterback.

Lt. Taylor said she is not aware of any internal review of Trooper Joyner's ability to continue working for Mr. Roethlisberger.



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Texasteel
03-12-2010, 08:20 AM
That's all fine and good Tony, providing you're not a recognizable, wealthy, public figure, with outstanding litagation already hovering over you. Like I said before, Ben seemed to have a fine plan in place with his personal security detail/posse. But he compromised it all the moment he took that girl behind closed doors away from the group.

I've been working quite a bit the last couple day, and really haven't had time to sift through a lot of this. I take it this means that the police have established that Ben was in the restroom with the lady.

vrabinec
03-12-2010, 08:23 AM
I've been working quite a bit the last couple day, and really haven't had time to sift through a lot of this. I take it this means that the police have established that Ben was in the restroom with the lady.

There's a report out that he admited to the police to having an "encounter" with her in the bathroom which did not involve penetration, and that she then fell down and hit her head. Of course, htis is third hand, supposedly from one of the guys who was there (I think it was the State Trooper)

pete74
03-12-2010, 08:59 AM
There's a report out that he admited to the police to having an "encounter" with her in the bathroom which did not involve penetration, and that she then fell down and hit her head. Of course, htis is third hand, supposedly from one of the guys who was there (I think it was the State Trooper)

ben is the one who stated she hit her head. i assume she is saying ben hit her and hence the sexual assult. i belive the troopers said they didnt witness anything that went on in that room and dont even remember meeting the girl in question

Steelers4Life25
03-12-2010, 09:00 AM
Lets admit it where there is smoke, there is fire. One time accussed and you can think that its just some girl looking to get money out of him, but twice and unfortunately something is wrong. Its a good thing he won two Bowls for us, cause he's about to experience a great downfall. Now I'm also hearing a story about how he blew off a dying girl's Make a Wish Dream. All she wanted to do was meet him and he blew her off. Forget u Rapistberger. Thanks for the memories, but its time for you to go. We don't need a man like this representing the Steel City

tony hipchest
03-12-2010, 09:20 AM
Lets admit it where there is smoke, there is fire. One time accussed and you can think that its just some girl looking to get money out of him, but twice and unfortunately something is wrong. Its a good thing he won two Bowls for us, cause he's about to experience a great downfall. Now I'm also hearing a story about how he blew off a dying girl's Make a Wish Dream. All she wanted to do was meet him and he blew her off. Forget u Rapistberger. Thanks for the memories, but its time for you to go. We don't need a man like this representing the Steel City"we"??? you got a mouse in your pocket?

you may need to go find a new team to root for then.

like a nuns volleyball team or something.

klick81
03-12-2010, 09:22 AM
Lets admit it where there is smoke, there is fire. One time accussed and you can think that its just some girl looking to get money out of him, but twice and unfortunately something is wrong. Its a good thing he won two Bowls for us, cause he's about to experience a great downfall. Now I'm also hearing a story about how he blew off a dying girl's Make a Wish Dream. All she wanted to do was meet him and he blew her off. Forget u Rapistberger. Thanks for the memories, but its time for you to go. We don't need a man like this representing the Steel City

GTF OUTTA HERE.

fansince'76
03-12-2010, 09:28 AM
Wait a sec - shouldn't we respect all fans' opinions and not take them to heart, regardless of whether or not we agree with them? I read that sermon here twice yesterday, after all. :noidea:

klick81
03-12-2010, 09:32 AM
He's speaking for a whole city. I'm sorry, his opinion is just wrong :applaudit:.

X-Terminator
03-12-2010, 09:33 AM
lol! ..said the guy who's on the Steeler forums same as me. Of course family's more important. Never insinuated that it wasn't. You say the Steelers shouldn't have this much impact on my life, do you mean they shouldn't have so much impact that I buy merchandise? I'm sure the Steelers would love it if all their fans stopped caring so much that they bought merchandise. Or I should stop caring so much that I want to go to games? Yeah, empty stadiums would be nice too. You certainly can't mean that I should stop caring so much that I come on here and talk about the Steelers with other Steeler fans, since you're on here too. Should I not be sad if they lose and euphoric when they're rolling in the playoffs? Ah, I get it, I shouldn't care what happens to the players once they're off the field. I shouldn't be sad when I hear of the tragedy that befalls Mike Webster who used to come to my high school (Peters Township) and run now and then took the time to talk to us. I shouldn't care when I see Troy going out of his way to play with kids. I shouldn't care when I hear that Joe Gilliam gets hooked on cocaine. I shouldn't care when I hear Greg Lloyd put a gun in his kid's mouth. I shouldn't care when Ben nosedives into a windshield and almost dies. I should basically just treat them like goldfish, and just watch them. No, wait, I care about my goldfish. Maybe treat them like a display I see in the Macy's storefront window, something pretty to look at. I will as soon as you do.

You completely missed the point, but whatever. I never said that you shouldn't do any of that, my point was that it shouldn't be taken so seriously that it dominates your life. That's all. I never said that you shouldn't care at all about sports or the team or players or anything else.

Anyway, I'm done. Every time I bring this up, the point gets lost, so forget it.

SteelCityMom
03-12-2010, 09:34 AM
Lets admit it where there is smoke, there is fire. One time accussed and you can think that its just some girl looking to get money out of him, but twice and unfortunately something is wrong. Its a good thing he won two Bowls for us, cause he's about to experience a great downfall. Now I'm also hearing a story about how he blew off a dying girl's Make a Wish Dream. All she wanted to do was meet him and he blew her off. Forget u Rapistberger. Thanks for the memories, but its time for you to go. We don't need a man like this representing the Steel City

He hates puppies and grandma's too. :crying01:

Actually, I'm very sorry he ruined your mancrush...that must suck.

tony hipchest
03-12-2010, 09:48 AM
He's speaking for a whole city. I'm sorry, his opinion is just wrong :applaudit:.exactly.

a troll is as troll does.

"rapistberger"? really???

maybe some people missed the entire point of the respect issue, but then again there are only a few elite and perfect fans. the rest of us regular posting peons can just hope to not annoy them or make them cranky.

/sermon.

fansince'76
03-12-2010, 10:07 AM
He's speaking for a whole city. I'm sorry, his opinion is just wrong :applaudit:.

No, no, no....respecting everyone's style of posting in a mature and nonconfrontational manner is the only way to reply to people we disagree with. Anything else, like telling someone to "find a new team," is tantamount to "bitching" and "playing fan police." But of course, that obviously only applies to a certain select, special and enlightened few that don't subscribe to the lemming-like "group think" around here.

vrabinec
03-12-2010, 10:12 AM
No, no, no....respecting everyone's style of posting in a mature and nonconfrontational manner is the only way to reply to people we disagree with. Anything else, like telling someone to "find a new team," is tantamount to "bitching" and "playing fan police." But of course, that obviously only applies to a certain select, special and enlightened few that don't subscribe to the lemming-like "group think" around here.

Is this the point we turn this into a BA bashing thread? That would be cool. I think I've passed the Ben Saga burnout stage into the Bored with the Ben Saga stage. Pretty soon I should be entering the "I'd rather stick and ice pick in each ear than to hear another word about the Ben Saga, but I'm not there yet. Even other team's fans have run out of steam and don't have any flam left for Ben any more.

Prok
03-12-2010, 10:13 AM
Anyone else here think that the gbi and police are pretty much gonna be pressured to charge Ben ??

Court of public opinion has him tried and convicted. I'd be willing to bet there is huge public out-cry if no charges filed. Matter of fact i'm damn near guaranteeing charges coming.


BTW please try to remember when a clowns fans smiles it's NOT good.....

:wink02:

X-Terminator
03-12-2010, 10:19 AM
By who? Obviously it's a concern, it's a fear, but as far as someone making the declaritive statement, "he's guilty!" Just not seeing it bub.

Try reading the thread again, bub. And then come back and answer the question again. There have been people who have more than hinted at his guilt. No, it's not everyone - I'll be fair about that - but there have been some who have.

You read what you want into what people say all the time, or just selectively?

Nope. I read what people actually say.

Lol, what an idiotic thing to say. Yeah I've sent Ben to the guilotine. Thanks for revealing what a joke this responce of yours is.

Notice that I didn't say YOU did. But I and others have said ad nauseum to just wait until all the fact are known before passing judgment one way or the other, and all we've gotten is shit for it. So what am I supposed to think?

I would call it any fans right. Hypocracy is rushing to judgement on other teams players but refusing to accept that your own house might be in disarray.

I disagree. And you can kindly point out to me where I refused to accept that my own house might be in disarray. Good luck, because you won't find it. You weren't around for this, but I was one of the people on this board who called for James Harrison to be cut after the incident with his girlfriend - that was AFTER all the facts were in and he had admitted to doing it. If it turns out Ben did sexually assault this girl, then the Rooneys should get rid of him faster than you can say "touchdown." But until then, he is innocent until proven guilty.


It's any rationale person's right to change their mind as the information changes. Again it's not my avenue, I'm not bailing on Ben now, nor will I unless the Steelers choose to do so. But I wont bash those that do. It's their right.

It's their right, but it doesn't change what they are.

Wow, are you are so full or shit. You have no insight whatsover as to why I choose to answer any specific post at any specific time. What do you think you're Carmac or something?

You keep following her around and bashing everything she says. You've bashed her for saying things that other guys have said that went without so much as a nod and a wink. What am I supposed to think? What is SHE supposed to think?

Lucky me?

Yep.

I really have no problem with him going to a college bar. But damnit, if he meets some gal that might interest him ask her to a movie or dinner? Make it a double date the first few times, security in numbers. Show a little patience. Don't try banging gals on the first night!

And that makes him different from many other men...how, exactly? Ben isn't the first guy who tried to bang gals on the first date, and he won't be the last.

We all hope no charges will be filed. But right now it's as if all of Steelers nation is being held hostage by this situation. so of course we speculate on it. That's what us flawed humans sometimes do on message boards, idle speculation. Surprised you didn't know that.

Of course I know that. Listen, I understand people are going to speculate, but can we at least agree that some of the speculation on both sides needs a little tempering?

Higher standards? How about holding them to a normal standard of common decency and public maturity? That's all I want or expect.

By "higher standards" I mean putting these guys on pedestals. They are human beings, and therefore they are prone to screwing up like the rest of us. And I agree wholeheartedly that they should at least show some common decency and maturity, the latter of which I can admit Ben has not shown over his career.

Geez, where do you live? I had relations with quite a few woman prior to getting married,But I never had a quickie in a rest room. And if I had been tempted it probably wouldn't have been with a stranger.

Come on man, you can't possibly be that naive! I work for a major university in the educational center of Pittsburgh. I'm around college students all the time. I've been in bars on the South Side where they frequent. If you really believe that this doesn't happen among just college students, then you really haven't been paying attention.


Well if you have a bulls eye on your back, why are you taking a girl you only just met into a freaking bathroom? It's indefesible what Ben did by taking that girl into a secluded area. Basically he did a good job prior to that of insulating himself from potential landmines, and then BOOM! Just like that, those cops, big Willie colon, all goes for naught because Ben takes the gal into an isolated area! Damnit!!!

Hey, I never said the guy was smart. It was a bad decision - again, I agree with that. But it still does not make him guilty of sexual assault.

Well if he doesn't owe the fans anything then why do they owe him the benifit of the doubt?

Touche.

I really don't think it works that way, and I really believe the Rooney's don't think it works that way either. I think they take pride in the interaction between the team and the fans. I think those jerseys, those posters, those bumper stickers, video games, etc.. that we buy matter. The fans are the bedrock of the league. The players represent the fans and the city they play for. The fans deserve the players to conduct themselves with at least a minimum standard of decency. When they fall short they owe the fans some degree of an apology or be gone.

I still disagree. Besides, given how hollow and scripted these "apologies" usually are, I don't understand why it would mean anything to anyone anyway.

SteelCityMom
03-12-2010, 10:21 AM
Anyone else here think that the gbi and police are pretty much gonna be pressured to charge Ben ??

Court of public opinion has him tried and convicted. I'd be willing to bet there is huge public out-cry if no charges filed. Matter of fact i'm damn near guaranteeing charges coming.


BTW please try to remember when a clowns fans smiles it's NOT good.....

:wink02:

No, they definitely won't press charges unless there's solid, substantial evidence. The town can't afford to go into a lengthy trial if they don't. They know who Ben's lawyer is as well, so they'd be wise to dot all their i's and cross all their t's in this investigation.

SteelCityMom
03-12-2010, 10:29 AM
Come on man, you can't possibly be that naive! I work for a major university in the educational center of Pittsburgh. I'm around college students all the time. I've been in bars on the South Side where they frequent. If you really believe that this doesn't happen among just college students, then you really haven't been paying attention.



Oh for sure...hell, I've caught people having sex on the dance floor before as well as the bathroom. And we didn't even catch all the people that did this, we'd find evidence lying around afterwards...and these were not events that housed solely college students either. Alcohol and dimly lit rooms make people do stupid things sometimes. Oh the joys of babysitting club goers.

kirklandrules
03-12-2010, 10:40 AM
Just announced on ESPN: Ben's attorney made a statement this morning that his investigators have found "significant evidence" that points to Ben's innocence.

pete74
03-12-2010, 10:50 AM
Anyone else here think that the gbi and police are pretty much gonna be pressured to charge Ben ??

Court of public opinion has him tried and convicted. I'd be willing to bet there is huge public out-cry if no charges filed. Matter of fact i'm damn near guaranteeing charges coming.


BTW please try to remember when a clowns fans smiles it's NOT good.....

:wink02:

no way. this is close to a million dollar lawsuit and they would never in a million years file charges if they didnt have substantial evidence. if the DA files and loses because he didnt have enough evidence to back a conviction then his reputation is on the line. like i said earlier, its very doubtful this thing will make it to trial on criminal charges but if it does ben will almost certainly be found innocent. his law team dosnt know how to lose and the worst cast scenerio is the charge will be downgraded to a misdermeanor. obviously this is my opinion

Prok
03-12-2010, 10:52 AM
Just announced on ESPN: Ben's attorney made a statement this morning that his investigators have found "significant evidence" that points to Ben's innocence.

Cool. Wonder what it is.

CanadianSteel
03-12-2010, 10:52 AM
One thing that caught my attention from the "Bar hiring an attorney article" was that the VIP area of the bar has a "unisex" bathroom. Seems everwhere people were villifying Ben for being in the ladies bathroom in several articles I have read.

Maybe, just maybe she followed Ben into the washroom, who knows, but hoping still she was the agreeser in this situation.

Best case secenario - something comes to light that clears Ben and this gives him the wake up call or swift kick in the pants going forward that he cannot put himself in these situations.

Still not judging until all sides come out..... but hoping Ben is innocent...

X-Terminator
03-12-2010, 10:53 AM
Oh for sure...hell, I've caught people having sex on the dance floor before as well as the bathroom. And we didn't even catch all the people that did this, we'd find evidence lying around afterwards...and these were not events that housed solely college students either. Alcohol and dimly lit rooms make people do stupid things sometimes. Oh the joys of babysitting club goers.

Exactly. This stuff isn't just limited to the latest episode of "Girls Gone Wild." It happens all the time. You are naive or just don't get out much if you don't believe it.

fansince'76
03-12-2010, 10:54 AM
Just announced on ESPN: Ben's attorney made a statement this morning that his investigators have found "significant evidence" that points to Ben's innocence.

I'll breathe easier when the GBI and/or Milledgeville po-po come out and say officially that no criminal charges will be filed.

vrabinec
03-12-2010, 10:56 AM
You completely missed the point, but whatever. I never said that you shouldn't do any of that, my point was that it shouldn't be taken so seriously that it dominates your life. That's all.

If it dominated my life, then I'd tell the wife to go take a flying leap instead of consenting to her wishes and not buying any tickets this year. Just feels like whenever someone tells me "Don't take it so hard" what they really mean is "Don't be mad at Ben". Which actually reminds me of what my wife used to say to me whenever the girls would get in trouble. It's kinda that "Don't be so hard on them" tone.

zulater
03-12-2010, 10:58 AM
:chuckle:Try reading the thread again, bub. And then come back and answer the question again. There have been people who have more than hinted at his guilt. No, it's not everyone - I'll be fair about that - but there have been some who have.

A few, so what? It seemed to me you were painting with a much broader brush.



Nope. I read what people actually say.

Well you seem to attribute thoughts and feelings to me that I don't genuinely have.

Notice that I didn't say YOU did. But I and others have said ad nauseum to just wait until all the fact are known before passing judgment one way or the other, and all we've gotten is shit for it. So what am I supposed to think?

This is what I think, I think Ben brought it on himself. If in time Ben proves himself not guilty ( or better yet innocent) of all the allegations that have been made against him I'm not going to go around demanding an apology from those that followed the trail of matches and smoke Ben left in his wake and assumed him guilty of something.



I disagree. And you can kindly point out to me where I refused to accept that my own house might be in disarray. Good luck, because you won't find it. You weren't around for this, but I was one of the people on this board who called for James Harrison to be cut after the incident with his girlfriend - that was AFTER all the facts were in and he had admitted to doing it. If it turns out Ben did sexually assault this girl, then the Rooneys should get rid of him faster than you can say "touchdown." But until then, he is innocent until proven guilty.

Fair enough, I apoligize. :hatsoff:




It's their right, but it doesn't change what they are.

I disagree with them, but don't find their opinion unreasonable, therefore i really don't believe it's right to label them with derogatory terms such as hypocrite and bandwagon fans.

You keep following her around and bashing everything she says.

I've commented positively on many things she's said too. Maybe it's because her opnions hold more relevance to me than most of the others. I get into more heated arguments with my liberal cousin than I do with liberals I don't know for instance. I don't lack respect for them whatsoever, I just have a higher comfort level arguing with them because we grew up together. Figuratively speaking Marianne and I grew up together as message board geeks. ( sorry HTG, I swear I mean it in the most flattering way :wink02: )


You've bashed her for saying things that other guys have said that went without so much as a nod and a wink. What am I supposed to think? What is SHE supposed to think?

I just explained it.

Yep.



And that makes him different from many other men...how, exactly? Ben isn't the first guy who tried to bang gals on the first date, and he won't be the last.

As Colin cowherd says, "life isn't fair." Ben has many advantages because of his job as an NFL qb. But there's also some realities to his world that don't apply to Joe Longshoreman just out on the town looking to get laid. It's a fact he neeeds to accept. I think it's also something that's preached to NFL players at rookie orientation before they even go to their teams. Ben should be smart enough to know the rules are different for him.

If Ben needs immediate action he would be much wiser to find himself a high priced call girl.


Of course I know that. Listen, I understand people are going to speculate, but can we at least agree that some of the speculation on both sides needs a little tempering?

That's up the the individual and the moment I believe. That said I think this board would be well served to add an eye roll emotcon to the arsenal. a good eye roll would be the best answer to over the top posts more often than not.

By "higher standards" I mean putting these guys on pedestals. They are human beings, and therefore they are prone to screwing up like the rest of us. And I agree wholeheartedly that they should at least show some common decency and maturity, the latter of which I can admit Ben has not shown over his career.

:drink:



Come on man, you can't possibly be that naive! I work for a major university in the educational center of Pittsburgh. I'm around college students all the time. I've been in bars on the South Side where they frequent. If you really believe that this doesn't happen among just college students, then you really haven't been paying attention.

Are they generally total strangers? I mean it's one thing to eye a gal across the study hall for a couple weeks, meet through mutual friends etc...
But taking a gal you never saw before that day and doing the nasty? Just not a goid idea imo, I'll strognly advice my son to refrain from such activity


Hey, I never said the guy was smart. It was a bad decision - again, I agree with that. But it still does not make him guilty of sexual assault.



Touche.



I still disagree. Besides, given how hollow and scripted these "apologies" usually are, I don't understand why it would mean anything to anyone anyway.

It's sometimes neccessary even if it's not sincere to apoligize. It keeps the client happy, and in this case we the fans are the client.

zulater
03-12-2010, 11:18 AM
Investigators can get a search warrant for his DNA, Difenderfer said. Georgia authorities have not asked for one, according to the Baldwin County Clerk of Courts and the magistrate court in Milledgeville.


This from an earliar post.

Now as I understand it Ben's lawyer, as of now, is not allowing Ben to submit to a request for a DNA sample. Some people I know are seeing this is as a sign of Ben's guilt. Personally I don't. I think it's brilliant lawyering and I'll tell you why. I don't think it's neccessarily a slam dunk that a judge will grant a search warrant for Ben's DNA. Some form or probable cause and relevance will have to be attached to such a request, and if the judge isn't satisfied that either is establshed they could well turn down the request, and kablooie!! goes the case.

Now it probably wont be denied, but there's no reason to make their job any easiar.

kirklandrules
03-12-2010, 11:19 AM
I'll breathe easier when the GBI and/or Milledgeville po-po come out and say officially that no criminal charges will be filed.

I totally agree, but a good attorney won't make these statements and not be able to back it up ... otherwise they lose credibility for the remainder of the case.

fansince'76
03-12-2010, 11:21 AM
I totally agree, but a good attorney won't make these statements and not be able to back it up ... otherwise they lose credibility for the remainder of the case.

Agreed - it was nice to read something "positive" for a change. :thumbsup:

Prok
03-12-2010, 11:24 AM
Agreed - it was nice to read something "positive" for a change. :thumbsup:

Agreed. I got a feeling we'll see another shitstorm of negative press real soon to wash it away though.....

stillers4me
03-12-2010, 11:38 AM
Agreed. I got a feeling we'll see another shitstorm of negative press real soon to wash it away though.....

And soon (can't be soon enough for me), some other dumbass in the NFL will do something stupid and the focus will be somewhere else.

How soon is Brett Favre scheduled to announced this year's retirement?

Northside Jonny
03-12-2010, 11:43 AM
Investigators can get a search warrant for his DNA, Difenderfer said. Georgia authorities have not asked for one, according to the Baldwin County Clerk of Courts and the magistrate court in Milledgeville.


This from an earliar post.

Now as I understand it Ben's lawyer, as of now, is not allowing Ben to submit to a request for a DNA sample. Some people I know are seeing this is as a sign of Ben's guilt. Personally I don't. I think it's brilliant lawyering and I'll tell you why. I don't think it's neccessarily a slam dunk that a judge will grant a search warrant for Ben's DNA. Some form or probable cause and relevance will have to be attached to such a request, and if the judge isn't satisfied that either is establshed they could well turn down the request, and kablooie!! goes the case.

Now it probably wont be denied, but there's no reason to make their job any easiar.

I agree any good lawyer is gonna wait until the court demand a DNA sample.

steelreserve
03-12-2010, 11:59 AM
I totally agree, but a good attorney won't make these statements and not be able to back it up ... otherwise they lose credibility for the remainder of the case.

Meh. Defense attorneys say things they can't back up all the time. It means nothing.

However, it's been pretty obvious that this case is going nowhere anyway. You've got a pretty sketchy charge that's impossible to prove, so the only result is that our quarterback looked like a dumbass -- a label that's well-deserved if you ask me, given his previous situation. But how much does that count for in a criminal case? Nothing at all.

Dino 6 Rings
03-12-2010, 12:04 PM
I wonder if she bit him and he just hauled off and punched her in the face...

anyway, he still needs to check off at the line more often...I blame Arians LMAO!

zulater
03-12-2010, 12:07 PM
And soon (can't be soon enough for me), some other dumbass in the NFL will do something stupid and the focus will be somewhere else.

How soon is Brett Favre scheduled to announced this year's retirement?



http://www.bangcartoon.com/2009/4thandfour.htm

Here ya go. :toofunny:

SteelCityMom
03-12-2010, 12:26 PM
And soon (can't be soon enough for me), some other dumbass in the NFL will do something stupid and the focus will be somewhere else.

How soon is Brett Favre scheduled to announced this year's retirement?

I've never longed for a Favre watch as badly as I do now lol.

Prok
03-12-2010, 12:34 PM
I wonder if she bit him and he just hauled off and punched her in the face...

anyway, he still needs to check off at the line more often...I blame Arians LMAO!

lol

Hey are you knocking those off us that do blame arians for everything??

Because i think it's healthy for us Steelers fans to blame ba. Great therapy!!

:tt:

Dino 6 Rings
03-12-2010, 12:35 PM
anyone see this one yet?

Ben Roethlisberger just added another elite member to his defense team -- a famous private investigator who's handled several high profile celebrity cases before.

TMZ has learned the P.I. is Charles Mittelstadt -- who has worked as a lead investigator on behalf of NFL stars like Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis. Mittelstadt has also worked for rapper T.I. and convicted Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph.

Hiring a private investigator is a sign that the alleged victim is fair game. In this case, as we already reported, law enforcement tells us alcohol was a factor.

It's a safe bet the P.I. will go down that road ... as well as others.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/tmzsports/#ixzz0hzMwIZKA

Dino 6 Rings
03-12-2010, 12:36 PM
lol

Hey are you knocking those off us that do blame arians for everything??

Because i think it's healthy for us Steelers fans to blame ba. Great therapy!!

:tt:

BA should have called a draw play instead of a "lets go bar hopping" hail mary pass!

SteelCityMom
03-12-2010, 12:38 PM
anyone see this one yet?

Ben Roethlisberger just added another elite member to his defense team -- a famous private investigator who's handled several high profile celebrity cases before.

TMZ has learned the P.I. is Charles Mittelstadt -- who has worked as a lead investigator on behalf of NFL stars like Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis. Mittelstadt has also worked for rapper T.I. and convicted Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph.

Hiring a private investigator is a sign that the alleged victim is fair game. In this case, as we already reported, law enforcement tells us alcohol was a factor.

It's a safe bet the P.I. will go down that road ... as well as others.


Read more: http://www.tmz.com/category/tmzsports/#ixzz0hzMwIZKA

Yeah, I was just reading that one along with the articles about him posing in pics earlier in the evening with the officers that initially took the complaint.

Police posed with Roethlisberger before incident
Friday, March 12, 2010
By Colin Dunlap, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger posed for photos with some of the officers who conducted a sexual assault complaint investigation just an hour before the incident allegedly occurred.

The photos were printed in this morning's Milledgeville Union-Recorder. Sgt Jerry Blash, Det. Everett January, Lt. Willie Goddard and officer Nick Reonas -- all of the Milledgeville Police Department -- appeared in one of the photos.

Sgt. Blash, who was the officer initially approach by the alleged victim and wrote a police report of the incident, appears in a group shot with the others and then in a close-up shot with the quarterback. Sgt. Blash is in uniform in both pictures.

Milledgeville police chief Woodrow Blue told the Union-Recorder the photographs, "did not and have not affected the investigation at all."

Chief Blue's office also said he will speak to the Post-Gazette today about the photos.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10071/1042306-100.stm#ixzz0hzNXiE7B

The plot thickens.:chuckle:

Fire Haley
03-12-2010, 12:49 PM
anyone see this one yet?
.

TMZ has learned the P.I. is Charles Mittelstadt -- who has worked as a lead investigator on behalf of NFL stars like Ray Lewis and Jamal Lewis. Mittelstadt has also worked for rapper T.I. and convicted Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph.

Hiring a private investigator is a sign that the alleged victim is fair game



Ben is on the attack - gonna drag this chick through the mud.

Prok
03-12-2010, 01:34 PM
Ben is on the attack - gonna drag this chick through the mud.

Man as much as his name and rep has been drug through the mud i'd hope he'd respond like this. Especially if he's innocent.

Fire Haley
03-12-2010, 01:44 PM
'All you bitches, take my shots'

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- A young woman told Channel 4 Action News on Friday that she was one of about 20 who partied with Ben Roethlisberger at the Capital City nightclub last week on the night that a female college student told police she was sexually assaulted by the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback."Everyone keeps talking about how nice he was. He was not nice," the woman said

She told reporter Ari Hait that people who were with Roethlisberger invited her into the VIP area of the club in Milledgeville, Ga. She said the quarterback hit on her there and she found him to be arrogant, so she left.

"He bought a round of shots for girls and said, 'All you bitches, take my shots,' and I got pissed because that's very rude and disrespectful to call girls a bunch of bitches," she said.

The woman said that, before she left, she saw Roethlisberger with the woman who would eventually become his accuser. She didn't think anything of it until the next morning when she heard about the accusations.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/22822650/detail.html

plenewken
03-12-2010, 02:03 PM
[B]

"He bought a round of shots for girls and said, 'All you bitches, take my shots,' and I got pissed because that's very rude and disrespectful to call girls a bunch of bitches," she said.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/22822650/detail.html

If this is true, Ben is an idiot. There's no other word for it, besides turd.

vrabinec
03-12-2010, 02:06 PM
If this is true, Ben is an idiot. There's no other word for it, besides turd.

lmao! All you bitches take my shots? WTF? What is he, a rapper from West Baltimore? I thought they always tried to paint him as a redneck who hunts and fishes. Sigh.

fansince'76
03-12-2010, 02:08 PM
MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- A young woman told Channel 4 Action News on Friday that she was one of about 20 who partied with Ben Roethlisberger at the Capital City nightclub last week on the night that a female college student told police she was sexually assaulted by the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback."Everyone keeps talking about how nice he was. He was not nice," the woman said

She told reporter Ari Hait that people who were with Roethlisberger invited her into the VIP area of the club in Milledgeville, Ga. She said the quarterback hit on her there and she found him to be arrogant, so she left.

"He bought a round of shots for girls and said, 'All you bitches, take my shots,' and I got pissed because that's very rude and disrespectful to call girls a bunch of bitches," she said.

The woman said that, before she left, she saw Roethlisberger with the woman who would eventually become his accuser. She didn't think anything of it until the next morning when she heard about the accusations.

Seeing as she left before the "incident" occurred, this is relevant to the criminal case....how? We know, "Ben's a prick." He disses sick kids in the hospital and he's not the friendliest person in the world. That's been established. :coffee:

vrabinec
03-12-2010, 02:10 PM
Seeing as she left before the "incident" occurred, this is relevant to the criminal case....how? We know, "Ben's a prick." That's been established. :coffee:

It's about as relevant as all those money shots his accuser posted on her facebook page and pulled down because she thinks they can't just go into the facebook archives and retrieve them.

plenewken
03-12-2010, 02:16 PM
Seeing as she left before the "incident" occurred, this is relevant to the criminal case....how? We know, "Ben's a prick." He disses sick kids in the hospital and he's not the friendliest person in the world. That's been established. :coffee:

Excuse me? It's very relevant to the case. It shows that just moments before the alleged assault, Ben was exhibiting a very rude behavior and a complete last of respect for the female guests around him.
The sh*t stinks more and more. Not good for Ben at all.

tony hipchest
03-12-2010, 02:19 PM
Seeing as she left before the "incident" occurred, this is relevant to the criminal case....how? contributing to the delinquency of a minor is a crime in and of itself; however the chick misheard.

what ben really said was "All my riches bought these shots!" (then the girls helped themselves without him willie colon or the 2 off duty officers seeing.) :chuckle:

vrabinec
03-12-2010, 02:20 PM
Excuse me? It's very relevant to the case. It shows that just moments before the alleged assault, Ben was exhibiting a very rude behavior and a complete last of respect for the female guests around him.
The sh*t stinks more and more. Not good for Ben at all.

Also that he was buying drinks for the women, and possibly contributing to the delinquency of a minor if they were underage.

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 02:21 PM
Seeing as she left before the "incident" occurred, this is relevant to the criminal case....how? We know, "Ben's a prick." He disses sick kids in the hospital and he's not the friendliest person in the world. That's been established. :coffee:

Bitch should have taken the shot and chilled out. :chuckle:

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 02:21 PM
Excuse me? It's very relevant to the case. It shows that just moments before the alleged assault, Ben was exhibiting a very rude behavior and a complete last of respect for the female guests around him.
The sh*t stinks more and more. Not good for Ben at all.

:rolleyes:

fansince'76
03-12-2010, 02:22 PM
Excuse me? It's very relevant to the case. It shows that just moments before the alleged assault, Ben was exhibiting a very rude behavior and a complete last of respect for the female guests around him.
The sh*t stinks more and more. Not good for Ben at all.

How do you know it was "just moments" before? You want to point out in the article where the timeline of events was established and that this occurred "just moments" before the alleged sexual assault? She could have left an hour or two before, for all you or I know. All this is is more BS and gossip to show what a bad person Ben is. It's in NO WAY relevant as to whether he committed a crime. Being a boorish asshole in and of itself IS NOT A CRIME.

plenewken
03-12-2010, 02:24 PM
Also that he was buying drinks for the women, and possibly contributing to the delinquency of a minor if they were underage.

Yeah, this too. Thanks for pointing it out.

OneForTheToe
03-12-2010, 02:28 PM
Excuse me? It's very relevant to the case. It shows that just moments before the alleged assault, Ben was exhibiting a very rude behavior and a complete last of respect for the female guests around him.
The sh*t stinks more and more. Not good for Ben at all.

It's not relevant unless she has evidence that he knowingly bought alcohol for a minor(s). Or, that he said something to the alleged victim that could be construed as an intent to assault her. You can't present evidence in court of the defendant's bad character in order prove that it is more likely guilty of what he is accused of doing.

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 02:28 PM
Also that he was buying drinks for the women, and possibly contributing to the delinquency of a minor if they were underage.

ugh. Speculation is pointless really.

OneForTheToe
03-12-2010, 02:29 PM
Investigators can get a search warrant for his DNA, Difenderfer said. Georgia authorities have not asked for one, according to the Baldwin County Clerk of Courts and the magistrate court in Milledgeville.


This from an earliar post.

Now as I understand it Ben's lawyer, as of now, is not allowing Ben to submit to a request for a DNA sample. Some people I know are seeing this is as a sign of Ben's guilt. Personally I don't. I think it's brilliant lawyering and I'll tell you why. I don't think it's neccessarily a slam dunk that a judge will grant a search warrant for Ben's DNA. Some form or probable cause and relevance will have to be attached to such a request, and if the judge isn't satisfied that either is establshed they could well turn down the request, and kablooie!! goes the case.

Now it probably wont be denied, but there's no reason to make their job any easiar.

Plus, when the prosecution files for search warrant and presents what they feel is evidence of probable cause, it gives the defense a little peek at the prosecution's case. Some lawyers will always contest preliminary hearings for that very reason, even if they know they have no chance of winning.

plenewken
03-12-2010, 02:31 PM
How do you know it was "just moments" before? You want to point out in the article where the timeline of events was established and that this occurred "just moments" before the alleged sexual assault? She could have left an hour or two before, for all you or I know. All this is is more BS and gossip to show what a bad person Ben is. It's in NO WAY relevant as to whether he committed a crime. Being a boorish asshole in and of itself IS NOT A CRIME.

I'll just say I'm glad you're not his lawyer ..........

pete74
03-12-2010, 02:33 PM
sounds like a possible contributing to the delinquincy of a minor charge here.

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 02:34 PM
I'll just say I'm glad you're not his lawyer ..........

Does having a boring life and watching too much CourTV make you one?

OneForTheToe
03-12-2010, 02:35 PM
contributing to the delinquency of a minor is a crime in and of itself; however the chick misheard.

what ben really said was "All my riches bought these shots!" (then the girls helped themselves without him willie colon or the 2 off duty officers seeing.) :chuckle:

No, I think he was telling the girls about his dogs. All my bitches got their shots.

plenewken
03-12-2010, 02:36 PM
You can't present evidence in court of the defendant's bad character in order prove that it is more likely guilty of what he is accused of doing.

Oh yes you can and as a matter of fact, it is used very frequently. You can ask the judge to dismiss the testimony because you believe it's not relevant to the case but don't bet too much on it.

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 02:36 PM
sounds like a possible contributing to the delinquincy of a minor charge here.

Why? Why does it sound like "a possible contributing to the delinquincy of a minor charge?"

See, this is why BS spreads like wild fire. :banging:

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 02:37 PM
No, I think he was telling the girls about his dogs. All my bitches got their shots.

lmao. Excellent! :chuckle:

plenewken
03-12-2010, 02:42 PM
Does having a boring life and watching too much CourTV make you one?

To paraphrase your most recent drivel, "how do you know ...................?"

chacha
03-12-2010, 02:43 PM
sounds like a possible contributing to the delinquincy of a minor charge here.

that's more the clubs responsibility isnt it? Maybe she took her little underage bracelet off?

I had to sign up here just because of all the Ben bashing going on, he hasnt been charged with anything and hopefully he isnt.

OneForTheToe
03-12-2010, 02:43 PM
Oh yes you can and as a matter of fact, it is used very frequently. You can ask the judge to dismiss the testimony because you believe it's not relevant to the case but don't bet too much on it.

I'm going to stand by my statement there. I will back track a little and admit that the admissibility of comments he made before the alleged attack, could be an issue to for the trial judge. Some comments could indeed be admitted. However, I will stand by my statement that you can't use comments by the defendant solely to prove he is of bad character in order to prove he more likely guilty.

OneForTheToe
03-12-2010, 02:47 PM
that's more the clubs responsibility isnt it? Maybe she took her little underage bracelet off?

I had to sign up here just because of all the Ben bashing going on, he hasnt been charged with anything and hopefully he isnt.

It is the clubs responsibility, but if Ben knew, or should have known, he was buying drinks for minors, he could be in trouble for that very act.

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 02:49 PM
To paraphrase your most recent drivel, "how do you know ...................?"

I never did get a response to that question. Probably because the answer would delude the drama that folks like you thrive on.

How's the saying go? "You're letting a few facts ruin an otherwise great story?"

:coffee:

Prok
03-12-2010, 02:54 PM
As I suspected we get a little bit of pro-Ben news then a shitstorm of info shooting him down quickly ensues.

OneForTheToe
03-12-2010, 02:56 PM
I'm not holding myself out as an expert on criminal law, but I am correct about character evidence: Of course, these are federal rules of evidence. I'm not sure about the Georgia rules of evidence, but most states are similar.

Rule 404. Character Evidence Not Admissible To Prove Conduct; Exceptions; Other Crimes

(a) Character evidence generally

Evidence of a person's character or a trait of character is not admissible for the purpose of proving action in conformity therewith on a particular occasion, except:

(1) Character of accused - In a criminal case, evidence of a pertinent trait of character offered by an accused, or by the prosecution to rebut the same, or if evidence of a trait of character of the alleged victim of the crime is offered by an accused and admitted under Rule 404 (a)(2), evidence of the same trait of character of the accused offered by the prosecution;

(2) Character of alleged victim - In a criminal case, and subject to the limitations imposed by Rule 412, evidence of a pertinent trait of character of the alleged victim of the crime offered by an accused, or by the prosecution to rebut the same, or evidence of a character trait of peacefulness of the alleged victim offered by the prosecution in a homicide case to rebut evidence that the alleged victim was the first aggressor;

(3) Character of witness - Evidence of the character of a witness, as provided in rules 607, 608, and 609.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm#Rule403

kirklandrules
03-12-2010, 03:52 PM
I'm not holding myself out as an expert on criminal law, but I am correct about character evidence: Of course, these are federal rules of evidence. I'm not sure about the Georgia rules of evidence, but most states are similar.

Rule 404. Character Evidence Not Admissible To Prove Conduct; Exceptions; Other Crimes

(a) Character evidence generally

Evidence of a person's character or a trait of character is not admissible for the purpose of proving action in conformity therewith on a particular occasion, except:

(1) Character of accused - In a criminal case, evidence of a pertinent trait of character offered by an accused, or by the prosecution to rebut the same, or if evidence of a trait of character of the alleged victim of the crime is offered by an accused and admitted under Rule 404 (a)(2), evidence of the same trait of character of the accused offered by the prosecution;

(2) Character of alleged victim - In a criminal case, and subject to the limitations imposed by Rule 412, evidence of a pertinent trait of character of the alleged victim of the crime offered by an accused, or by the prosecution to rebut the same, or evidence of a character trait of peacefulness of the alleged victim offered by the prosecution in a homicide case to rebut evidence that the alleged victim was the first aggressor;

(3) Character of witness - Evidence of the character of a witness, as provided in rules 607, 608, and 609.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm#Rule403

Mother effing Perry Mason here! But what a good trial lawyer will do is get this beeatch on the stand and ask her if she saw Ben hitting on women in that bar. He will then go into all the "what did he do next" ... that's where she'll spew that comment. So it's not a direct attack on his character, but it'll come out.

In the end, this is probably just another loser looking for 5 minute of fame and she'll reverse her claims when the authorities are involved. In fact, there were articles written of several observers stating Ben was barely drinking ... let alone buying rounds of shots.

Dino 6 Rings
03-12-2010, 03:52 PM
Well I guess we'll see if this girl that says he was "rude" will testify to that under oath. Put the hand on the bible honey and swear it by your maker. Otherwise, its just "get me in the news" gossip.

Dino 6 Rings
03-12-2010, 04:00 PM
I wonder if there are "tweets" or FB posts from this girl right before the "attack" saying anything about him being rude. Don't most college age kids have those fancy phones that put crap up on the internet almost instantly?

steelreserve
03-12-2010, 04:58 PM
I wonder if there are "tweets" or FB posts from this girl right before the "attack" saying anything about him being rude. Don't most college age kids have those fancy phones that put crap up on the internet almost instantly?

With how popular that fad's become, she was probably tweeting about the BJ while she was giving it. Maybe that's why Ben got mad -- lack of focus.

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 05:06 PM
With how popular that fad's become, she was probably tweeting about the BJ while she was giving it. Maybe that's why Ben got mad -- lack of focus.
:rofl:

Gnutella
03-12-2010, 05:09 PM
I call my friends "bitches" all the time. In fact, I just texted one of them, telling him, "Meet me tomorrow at 8PM, bitch!" (He even responded, "OK, bitch!")

Gnutella
03-12-2010, 05:11 PM
With how popular that fad's become, she was probably tweeting about the BJ while she was giving it. Maybe that's why Ben got mad -- lack of focus.

I've actually seen a photo of a woman texting on her phone while giving a blow job. :uhh:

7SteelGal43
03-12-2010, 05:15 PM
'All you bitches, take my shots'

"He bought a round of shots for girls and said, 'All you bitches, take my shots,' and I got pissed because that's very rude and disrespectful to call girls a bunch of bitches," she said.




OMGawwwww ~ Ben bought a round and said "all you bitches take my shots".do you know what this means ? It can only mean one thing. That Ben is clearly and without a doubt........
























a freakin typical heterosexual single male. **GASP**

stb_steeler
03-12-2010, 05:16 PM
I've actually seen a photo of a woman texting on her phone while giving a blow job. :uhh:

Now thats what i call multi tasking !!! :applaudit:

Gnutella
03-12-2010, 05:17 PM
Now thats what i call multi tasking !!! :applaudit:

But I'd rather a woman put away all her gadgets when playing with mine.

Fire Haley
03-12-2010, 05:18 PM
OMGawwwww ~

a freakin typical heterosexual single male. **GASP**

Hey don't bust on me, they're your sorority sisters.

WE know how you are.

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 05:28 PM
OMGawwwww ~ Ben bought a round and said "all you bitches take my shots".do you know what this means ? It can only mean one thing. That Ben is clearly and without a doubt........



a freakin typical heterosexual single male. **GASP**

:chuckle:

HometownGal
03-12-2010, 05:31 PM
Also that he was buying drinks for the women, and possibly contributing to the delinquency of a minor if they were underage.

I think the bar and the bartender are in a little more trouble than Ben in this situation. Though she was permitted into the club, she was not permitted to be served alcohol and should have been wearing a wrist band. It is also possible that this chick took off the wrist band before meeting up with Ben and his boyz and didn't tell Ben she was underage.

HometownGal
03-12-2010, 05:34 PM
A focus of the investigation has been a rest room near the VIP lounge where evidence has been collected. The rest room is for use by VIP patrons and musicians playing live gigs. Mr. Cansino described the space as a small, plain unisex bathroom.

"It's just a toilet," Mr. Cansino said. "It's not fancy."


6'5", 241 lb. Ben engaging in poontang in a restroom which is big enough to fit a toilet. Riiiiiiighto. :jerkit:

NJarhead
03-12-2010, 05:35 PM
6'5", 241 lb. Ben engaging in poontang in a restroom which is big enough to fit a toilet. Riiiiiiighto. :jerkit:

ha! You said, "poontang."

7SteelGal43
03-12-2010, 06:34 PM
Hey don't bust on me, they're your sorority sisters.

WE know how you are.

Excuse me ?!

Prok
03-12-2010, 07:07 PM
Excuse me ?!

* Asserting myself as Killer's lawyer*

Killer is completely innocent of all charges. i will have a prepared statement for him to read in the near future.

:thumbsup:


(dammit killer stay outa trouble !!)

SteelCityMom
03-12-2010, 09:19 PM
Also that he was buying drinks for the women, and possibly contributing to the delinquency of a minor if they were underage.

Before everyone goes off on a shitstorm about this, even if he did buy her drinks, it would not be contributing to the delinquency of a minor. So lets not go there, this girl is not a minor. Also, he would not be the one serving her alcohol. Bartenders serve alcohol and are responsible for who is drinking.


"Contributing to the delinquency of a minor is a crime governed by state laws, which vary by state. Generally, the crime consists of someone knowingly persuading, inducing, enticing or encouraging such a child or youth to engage in actions that would constitute a violation of federal or state law or a municipal or local ordinance. Local laws should be consulted for applicability in your area. The following is an example of a state law dealing with contributing to the delinquency of a minor:
"(a) A person commits the crime of contributing to the delinquency of a minor if, being 19 years of age or older or being under 19 years of age and having the disabilities of minority removed for general purposes under AS 09.55.590 , the person aids, induces, causes, or encourages a child
(1) under 18 years of age to do any act prohibited by state law unless the child's disabilities of minority have been removed for general purposes under AS 09.55.590
;
(2) under 18 years of age or allows a child under 18 years of age to enter or remain in the immediate physical presence of the unlawful manufacture, use, display, or delivery of a controlled substance knowing that the manufacture, use, display, or delivery is occurring, unless the child's disabilities of minority have been removed for general purposes under AS 09.55.590;
(3) under 16 years of age to be repeatedly absent from school, without just cause; or
(4) under 18 years of age to be absent from the custody of a parent, guardian, or custodian without the permission of the parent, guardian, or custodian or without the knowledge of the parent, guardian, or custodian, unless the child's disabilities of minority have been removed for general purposes under AS 09.55.590 or the person has immunity under AS 47.10.350 or 47.10.398(a); it is an affirmative defense to a prosecution under this paragraph that, at the time of the alleged offense, the defendant
(A) reasonably believed that the child was in danger of physical injury or in need of temporary shelter; and
(B) within 12 hours after taking the actions comprising the alleged offense, notified a peace officer, a law enforcement agency, or the Department of Health and Social Services of the name of the child and the child's location.
(b) Contributing to the delinquency of a minor is a class A misdemeanor."

Prok
03-12-2010, 09:24 PM
Watching channel 19 ten oclock news here in cleveland tonight and they are reporting it as fact that the Rooney's are "Embarrassed" over this incident and his "next mis-step will be his last with the team."

Yeah, nobody knows the Rooney's like cleveland media.... :coffee:

tony hipchest
03-12-2010, 09:39 PM
i think the rooneys are so proud of ben they will retire his jersey before the home opener next season.



Before everyone goes off on a shitstorm about this, even if he did buy her drinks, it would not be contributing to the delinquency of a minor. So lets not go there, this girl is not a minor. Also, he would not be the one serving her alcohol. Bartenders serve alcohol and are responsible for who is drinking. this whole issue in and of itself probably explains why the bar was so quick to hire its own attorney.

Fire Haley
03-12-2010, 09:51 PM
* Asserting myself as Killer's lawyer*

Killer is completely innocent of all charges. i will have a prepared statement for him to read in the near future.



A Band of Brothers

Of course I must protect my fellow travelers from the evil temptresses that cloud our purity.


Burn them at the stake, I say.

mesaSteeler
03-12-2010, 10:15 PM
Roethlisberger's lawyer hires private investigator
By KATE BRUMBACK
Associated Press Writer
Updated: March 12, 2010, 6:33 pm /
Published: March 12, 2010, 6:02 pm
http://www.buffalonews.com/cgi-bin/print_this.cgi

An attorney for Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has hired a private investigator to look into a sexual assault allegation made by a 20-year-old Georgia college student.

Police in the college town of Milledgeville continue to investigate, but have released little information since the accusation was made a week ago.

The two-time Super Bowl champ's lawyer, Ed Garland, said he has hired his own investigative team. (Cha Ching, Ben better have his check book ready. - mesa)

"Any lawyer representing anyone needs to know all the facts so that he can perform his duties," he said.

Roethlisberger has not been charged, and Garland said "no criminal conduct took place."

Carl Cansino, a lawyer for the club where the woman says the assault took place, said he was contacted Friday by the private investigator, Charles Mittelstadt. Cansino was also on hand when authorities interviewed club manager Rocky Duncan Wednesday.

Police Chief Woodrow Blue said at a Monday news conference that investigators expected to speak to Roethlisberger this week. He said Friday that the investigation continues at a steady pace but declined to comment on any details, including whether authorities had interviewed Roethlisberger or asked him for a DNA sample.

"We haven't set any kind of timetable," he said. "Where the investigation leads us will determine that."

The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is also working on the case, but agent Tom Davis in Milledgeville did not return calls seeking comment. Agency spokesman John Bankhead said only that the investigation is ongoing.

Lawyers for the woman who accused Roethlisberger released a statement earlier in the week saying their client is cooperating with authorities and asking the media to respect her privacy. They have not responded to calls and e-mails from The Associated Press seeking additional comment.

Photos have also surfaced online of Roethlisberger smiling alongside the officer who wrote the initial incident report early on March 5. The police chief said the photos were taken hours before the allegation was made.

Blue said Friday he wasn't concerned about the photos, saying the officer, Sgt. Jerry Blash, and others had seen Roethlisberger earlier in the evening. Beyond filing the report, Blash has not been involved in the investigation, Blue said.

mesaSteeler
03-12-2010, 10:21 PM
http://www.observer-reporter.com/or/apsports/d0663-BC-FBN-Roethlisberger-C-1stLd-Writethru-03-10-0335

Steelers' Colon not a witness

Associated Press

NEW YORK - Pittsburgh Steelers tackle Willie Colon was with teammate Ben Roethlisberger on the night the quarterback was accused of sexual assault in a Georgia club, but did not witness anything, Colon's agent said Wednesday.

Colon was at the Capital City nightclub in Milledgeville, Ga., last Friday, for a birthday party for Roethlisberger. But Joe Linta, Colon's agent, said in a telephone interview that Colon was on the dance floor and not close by when Roethlisberger allegedly sexually assaulted a 20-year-old college student.

"Willie, although he was in the building, had no knowledge of the incident and his name should not be brought up about this incident again," Linta said. "The first knowledge he had was when he was stopped when leaving the place to be asked some questions."

Colon was part of a group of Roethlisberger's friends who went to Milledgeville to celebrate the quarterback's 28th birthday.

Colon's attendance at the party was first reported by the New York Daily News.

Authorities are still investigating the matter and Roethlisberger has not been charged. He is cooperating with authorities and Milledgeville police have said they expect to interview Roethlisberger in the next several days. They plan to take a DNA sample from him.

Roethlisberger, who owns a home about 30 miles north of Milledgeville on Lake Oconee, is also being sued by a woman who claims he raped her in 2008 at a hotel-casino in Lake Tahoe hotel and casino, an allegation he strongly denies. It is a civil matter as no criminal charges were filed.

©2010 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

tony hipchest
03-12-2010, 11:14 PM
Steelers' Colon not a witness

.

lge_mf2JxVk

the true shame here is that bens late night birthday bible study was interupted by a blowie and false accusations of purchasing alcoholic beverages for young ladies enrolled in college.

7SteelGal43
03-12-2010, 11:30 PM
Hey don't bust on me, they're your sorority sisters.

WE know how you are.


Don't lump me in with these ditzy chicks.

SteelersinCA
03-13-2010, 12:11 AM
Investigators can get a search warrant for his DNA, Difenderfer said. Georgia authorities have not asked for one, according to the Baldwin County Clerk of Courts and the magistrate court in Milledgeville.


This from an earliar post.

Now as I understand it Ben's lawyer, as of now, is not allowing Ben to submit to a request for a DNA sample. Some people I know are seeing this is as a sign of Ben's guilt. Personally I don't. I think it's brilliant lawyering and I'll tell you why. I don't think it's neccessarily a slam dunk that a judge will grant a search warrant for Ben's DNA. Some form or probable cause and relevance will have to be attached to such a request, and if the judge isn't satisfied that either is establshed they could well turn down the request, and kablooie!! goes the case.

Now it probably wont be denied, but there's no reason to make their job any easiar.

You have obviously overestimated the probable cause standard, in any sexual assault case there will be probable cause for DNA. Not only does it have the potential to point to guilt, but innocence as well. How would you say that DNA wouold not be relevant in a sexual assault case????

SteelersinCA
03-13-2010, 12:16 AM
It's not relevant unless she has evidence that he knowingly bought alcohol for a minor(s). Or, that he said something to the alleged victim that could be construed as an intent to assault her. You can't present evidence in court of the defendant's bad character in order prove that it is more likely guilty of what he is accused of doing.

Contributing to the delinquency of a minor has ZERO relevance to a sexual assault charge. Because you bought an underage person a drink you sexually assaulted them? The DA wouldn't even bother charging that crime because it will look dumb. You're gonna charge a guy with the most serious of charges and then a stupid misdemeanor? Not happening, besides his lawyer could bifurcate the trial and not even worry about that piddly charge. You guys have to chill out.

Edit: This may have been a mistaken quote, but the idea is there, there "deliquency of a minor" has nothing to do with a charge of sexual assault.

SteelersinCA
03-13-2010, 12:20 AM
Mother effing Perry Mason here! But what a good trial lawyer will do is get this beeatch on the stand and ask her if she saw Ben hitting on women in that bar. He will then go into all the "what did he do next" ... that's where she'll spew that comment. So it's not a direct attack on his character, but it'll come out.

In the end, this is probably just another loser looking for 5 minute of fame and she'll reverse her claims when the authorities are involved. In fact, there were articles written of several observers stating Ben was barely drinking ... let alone buying rounds of shots.

The DA has an ethical obligation not the subvert the rules of ethics like that. Plus you seem to ignore the fact that when the question is asked that Ben's attorney can OBJECT!

Shea
03-13-2010, 12:21 AM
Bifurcate?

*grabs dictionary*

SteelersinCA
03-13-2010, 12:23 AM
Bifurcate?

*grabs dictionary*

legal term for splitting the trial up for various charges/allegations.

SteelersinCA
03-13-2010, 12:27 AM
I'm not holding myself out as an expert on criminal law, but I am correct about character evidence: Of course, these are federal rules of evidence. I'm not sure about the Georgia rules of evidence, but most states are similar.

Rule 404. Character Evidence Not Admissible To Prove Conduct; Exceptions; Other Crimes

(a) Character evidence generally

Evidence of a person's character or a trait of character is not admissible for the purpose of proving action in conformity therewith on a particular occasion, except:

(1) Character of accused - In a criminal case, evidence of a pertinent trait of character offered by an accused, or by the prosecution to rebut the same, or if evidence of a trait of character of the alleged victim of the crime is offered by an accused and admitted under Rule 404 (a)(2), evidence of the same trait of character of the accused offered by the prosecution;

(2) Character of alleged victim - In a criminal case, and subject to the limitations imposed by Rule 412, evidence of a pertinent trait of character of the alleged victim of the crime offered by an accused, or by the prosecution to rebut the same, or evidence of a character trait of peacefulness of the alleged victim offered by the prosecution in a homicide case to rebut evidence that the alleged victim was the first aggressor;

(3) Character of witness - Evidence of the character of a witness, as provided in rules 607, 608, and 609.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/fre/rules.htm#Rule403

I happen to be an expert on criminal law and you are correct. State evidence rules track the Federal Rules pretty closely with some rare exceptions. Honesty is the biggest character trait that is usually attacked or brought in, that and a proclivity towards violence in cases involving violent behavior.

The DA may try to introduce evidence of the previously alleged rape, but I sincerely doubt that will fly given the fact that no criminal charges were ever filed. SO the questions becomes, "what character trait of Ben's can they display that would make him predisposed to commit sexual assault?" Certainly being disrespectful and an asshole doesn't even come close to that.

Additionally, the general rule is that you cannot attack the defendant's character unless the defense brings evidence of his character in.

OneForTheToe
03-13-2010, 01:41 AM
Contributing to the delinquency of a minor has ZERO relevance to a sexual assault charge. Because you bought an underage person a drink you sexually assaulted them? The DA wouldn't even bother charging that crime because it will look dumb. You're gonna charge a guy with the most serious of charges and then a stupid misdemeanor? Not happening, besides his lawyer could bifurcate the trial and not even worry about that piddly charge. You guys have to chill out.

Edit: This may have been a mistaken quote, but the idea is there, there "deliquency of a minor" has nothing to do with a charge of sexual assault.


I may have misstated what I meant. I did not intend to say that buying alcohol for underage persons would be relevant to the sexual assault. I was just highlighting that the potential testimony of the girl who said that Ben was buying drinks for his "bitches" would only be relavent if Ben were charged with providing alcohol to underage persons. Of course, you are probably correct. The DA probably doesn't care much about that charge.

WH
03-13-2010, 02:31 AM
She's an irresponsible twat for drinking alcohol when she's not suppose to.

pete74
03-13-2010, 07:26 AM
Contributing to the delinquency of a minor has ZERO relevance to a sexual assault charge. Because you bought an underage person a drink you sexually assaulted them? The DA wouldn't even bother charging that crime because it will look dumb. You're gonna charge a guy with the most serious of charges and then a stupid misdemeanor? Not happening, besides his lawyer could bifurcate the trial and not even worry about that piddly charge. You guys have to chill out.

Edit: This may have been a mistaken quote, but the idea is there, there "deliquency of a minor" has nothing to do with a charge of sexual assault.

Actually sexual assult in Georgia is also a misdemeanor and not a felony

urgle burgle
03-13-2010, 07:43 AM
over the past few days...i have taken the time to mull over this very serious situation. the only real conclusion that i can come to is this.......


the BENGALS still SUCK.....

carry on...

SteelersinCA
03-13-2010, 09:01 AM
Actually sexual assult in Georgia is also a misdemeanor and not a felony

Like most states, Georgia has both the misdemeanor and felony variety. Misdemeanor is for boob grabs, felony is for penetration with a foreign object, including fingers.

stillers4me
03-13-2010, 11:52 AM
over the past few days...i have taken the time to mull over this very serious situation. the only real conclusion that i can come to is this.......


the BENGALS still SUCK.....

carry on...

Best post of the week.

mesaSteeler
03-13-2010, 07:19 PM
Innocent until proven guilty
http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/panelists/2010/03/would-you-want-big-ben-maloni.html

Columnist Frank Deford recently pointed out that athletes seem to get a raw deal went it comes to public scrutiny of their private lives. Hollywood celebrities and recording artists seem to get a pass when they wreck cars, drive intoxicated, and even when they are arrested for possession of drugs. Our nation elected a President who apparently had "youthful indiscretions" in his 40s. But sports stars don't seem to get that same understanding from the general public. Perhaps it's because more kids, understandably, idolize Sidney Crosby than they do Charlie Sheen. Perhaps it's because we want the athletes we see on the field to be the same people off the field. Somehow we get it that Hollywood stars are acting and musicians are performing. Whether it's in a TV sitcom or a movie theater, the public is able to separate the person from the character.

In any case, the scrutiny on Ben Roethlisberger is to be expected both because of a separate allegation against Ben last year in Nevada, but also because this recent incident follows on the heels of the Tiger Woods fiasco. Plus it's the offseason and football fanatics need something to feed the talk radio beast and post about online.

Regardless, Ben is entitled to not be judged until more facts emerge. The FBI followed the wrong guy for years who was a suspect in the Anthrax letters after 9/11. A security guard's life was ruined because authorities thought he was responsible for the bomb that killed a person at the Atlanta Olympics. And let's not forget the Duke lacrosse team that was convicted in the court of public opinion almost immediately.

Here's a news flash for America: sports stars are allowed to date women, drink alcohol and spend ridiculous amounts of money. They are obligated to do no more than the rest of us and that's obey the law. Until more facts -- facts mind you -- emerge in the latest Roethlisberger incident, give Ben the same consideration we'd all hope to receive as private citizens.

That's the least we can do.

By Jason Maloni | March 12, 2010; 12:48 PM ET | Category: Ben Roethlisberger , Jason Maloni , NFL , Pittsburgh Steelers

Fire Haley
03-13-2010, 08:16 PM
"Willie, although he was in the building, had no knowledge of the incident and his name should not be brought up about this incident again,"

"I see nothing!"

http://www.monkeyboobies.com/gallery/d/1126-1/sgt_20schultz_small.jpg

tony hipchest
03-13-2010, 09:10 PM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/31655.jpg

Prok
03-13-2010, 09:26 PM
Hey we haven't heard any more damning court of public opinion evidence and negative reports from "sources" condemning Ben lately. Calm before the storm ??

:banging:

Shea
03-13-2010, 09:37 PM
Hey we haven't heard any more damning court of public opinion evidence and negative reports from "sources" condemning Ben lately. Calm before the storm ??

:banging:

I hope not.

Things are starting to slow down, thankfully, hopefully that means that no new news is good news.

GBMelBlount
03-13-2010, 09:40 PM
http://nzydmahara.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ostrich_head_sand2-gif3.jpg

theplatypus
03-13-2010, 09:43 PM
I hope not.

Things are starting to slow down, thankfully, hopefully that means that no new news is good news.

It's not slowing down here in Georgia.

Prok
03-13-2010, 10:00 PM
I hope not.

Things are starting to slow down, thankfully, hopefully that means that no new news is good news.

see that 2,000 pound gorilla in the corner over there ?? ---->



Sad to say but i got a feeling we're gonna go through a few more shitstorms in coming days and weeks..

:banging:

steelerdude15
03-13-2010, 10:31 PM
People are starting to shut up here in MD about it.

mesaSteeler
03-13-2010, 11:04 PM
Details emerge in Roethlisberger's night out
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_671613.html
By Carl Prine
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, March 14, 2010

EATONTON, Ga. -- Shortly after 9 p.m. on March 4, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger turned to Heath Burton and told the restaurant owner that he was going to do something he'd never done before: Drive to tiny Milledgeville.

"He told me he'd never been down there," said Burton, owner of the posh Eenoco Japanese Steak & Sushi restaurant a few miles from Roethlisberger's mansion in the Reynolds Plantation resort.

After a 45-minute drive to the home of Georgia College & State University, Roethlisberger indulged in a few hours of bar hopping -- complete with Big Ben holding court in the VIP room of the popular Capital City nightclub. The fun ended soon after a 20-year-old woman told a Milledgeville patrolman at 2:30 a.m. March 5 that Roethlisberger, 28, had sexually assaulted her there.

The ongoing criminal investigation into Roethlisberger's conduct that night and a flood of national media washing over the seat of Baldwin County are revealing in greater detail the cloistered world of a National Football League icon known not only for his two Super Bowl rings, but also two allegations of sexual assault.

In Georgia, it all began with Roethlisberger and his posse of beefy buddies dining at the sushi restaurant near his mansion in the Great Waters section of the 14,000-acre resort.

"People approach him here, but this is a laid-back restaurant," Burton said. "Ben is really a nice guy, and I'm happy when he and his friends come in."

No. 7's faves: Firecracker roll -- spicy tuna, cream cheese and crab -- washed down with Japanese rice wine, called sake, or cold Bud Light.

On Memorial Day, he treated his offensive line to dinner here.

For guests, he buys top-shelf tequila, typically Patron, whether he's at the Ritz Carlton Lodge at Reynolds Plantation or Long Shot's, the sports bar just outside Great Waters.

"He loves to buy Patron. I don't know that I've ever seen him drink it, but he loves to buy it for his friends -- and those big ol' boys like it," said the tavern's owner, Shawn Wiggins.

"He's always a nice guy. Very sociable. But he doesn't like a lot of people hounding him. He comes in a few times a year and will bring his offensive line. They're great guys, too. We've never had a problem with them."

ANOTHER VIEW

While bistro owners have one view of the celebrity, some of the service employees who talked to the Trib had different opinions. Fearing for their jobs, they didn't want to talk about them on the record.

Their stories seemed similar to what Lake Tahoe restaurant manager Alvaro Brito has alleged in a lawsuit percolating through the Nevada courts.

In September, Brito's attorney alleged Roethlisberger got him fired for seeking identification of a 27-year-old woman seated with the quarterback and "several very large males, one or more of whom is believed to be a bodyguard or bodyguards."

Born in Mexico but an American citizen, Brito claims that Roethlisberger and his party "mocked, made fun and mimicked" his accent and that one of the men "intentionally bumped" him. Brito alleges that his boss, a Steelers' fan and golfing buddy of Roethlisberger, terminated his employment when Big Ben got mad.

Citing the ongoing lawsuit, Brito declined to talk to the Trib. So did managers at the resort where he once worked.

Roethlisberger wasn't named in the lawsuit.

The quarterback, however, is the subject of a lawsuit filed by a female Harrah's hotel employee who claims he sexually assaulted her in 2008. Roethlisberger has strongly denied the allegations.

So has his newest attorney, Atlanta lawyer Ed Garland, who insists Big Ben will be cleared in Milledgeville, too. Garland declined to comment for this story.

Garland has promised to arrange for Roethlisberger to meet with police and provide them with a DNA sample. Authorities won't say when that will be.

Party at the The Brick

Milledgeville students, bartenders and waitresses put Roethlisberger and his entourage -- estimated by witnesses to be from seven to nine other large men -- at The Velvet Elvis after 10 p.m. March 4.

He was wearing a black T-shirt emblazoned with the fiery image of Satan. Two of his chums were vacationing Coraopolis police Officer Anthony Barravecchio and Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Ed Joyner. Another was Steelers offensive lineman Willie Colon, who left with Roethlisberger after 11 p.m. to drink Patron tequila at The Brick bar across Han**** Street.

"I was walking down the sidewalk, and someone calls out, 'Big Ben is at The Brick.' I went to have a look. He had a group of big guys around him," said Scott Thompson, 24, a Georgia College & State University senior.

"They were all big. Ben looked pretty calm."

Thompson had seen Roethlisberger before, on Lake Oconee, where the public can take to the water alongside motorboats piloted by the rich and famous living in Roethlisberger's Great Waters development.

"We were near a sand bar," Thompson said. "His friends were with him. We call them the 'linemen' because they're so big. They stared at us, turned around and went away. They like their privacy."

At The Brick, Roethlisberger's large chums ensured that fans and the merely curious were kept at a distance. Thompson and a dozen other witnesses, however, said that some women were allowed into the circle to toast tequila he bought for them at the bar.

Whether she drank or not, a 20-year-old sophomore was there with a small group of friends. Friends and fellow students described her as a smart sorority sister from the Atlanta suburbs who helped raise money for charity.

Fateful meeting

Witnesses said Roethlisberger and the woman were first noticed near each other around 11 p.m. at The Brick, but it's unclear whether she had been admitted into the inner sanctum at that point.

She also was at Buffington's with him, but, again, it remains unclear whether she was the object of any special attention. There were a lot of people hanging around him, coming and going for photos and autographs, especially young women.

At Capital City, she was among the women selected to go into the VIP lounge, but some of her friends weren't. They stayed on the dance floor.

The woman has not commented about the incident. Her family has hired Atlanta attorney Lee Parks to represent her. He didn't return telephone calls.

The Trib doesn't name alleged victims of sexual assault.

While most Milledgeville residents have been fixated on other issues -- a slumping economy, rolling layoffs, a murder suspect on the loose -- students at George College & State University, a public liberal arts institution known for its academics, largely have rallied around the alleged victim.

"Every woman our age has been in bad situations with men, only not always to this extreme," said Jennifer Noice, 21, a former sorority sister to the young woman. "Whether you have been attacked or you were made very uncomfortable, that sort of moment affects you.

"It has a lasting effect. It hurts people. All the things people say about 'she is just a small-town woman who wants money' are so far from the truth. We support her because we know her."

The Capital City

After leaving The Brick in the waning hours of March 4, students milled near Roethlisberger as he held court in Buffington's, a bar named for the county's first tavern. Students described him as affable, a man who mugged for their cell-phone cameras, even taking time to pose with on- and off-duty Milledgeville police officers.

Roethlisberger's party walked east down Han**** Street to briefly glance into Amici's, but the drinking hole was packed, the students inside hopping to a live band.

After midnight, the Roethlisberger party ended up where hundreds of students at GCSU and the nearby Georgia Military College go on Thursdays, the busiest night for drinking and dancing: The Capital City -- a hard right off Han**** Street and a short stroll down South Wayne Street. Like most of downtown's boulevards, The Capital City is named for a Revolutionary War hero.

About 2:30 a.m., the woman told police she had been sexually assaulted in what's normally a locked staff bathroom a dozen or more paces away from the "VIP" room.

Until last call before 2 a.m., the Roethlisberger party had been encamped in the dark lounge that's really a small hall with a stage, a couple of couches near the glass window from the main bar. Students said that young women rotated in and out of the room, which is fenced off from the dance floor by a thin black curtain. No men outside the entourage were allowed inside.

The owners, who live in an apartment above the dance club, were out of town that night. They also run the restaurant downstairs, Chops. They've hired their own lawyer, prominent local defense attorney Carl Cansino, but they've faced no charges or lawsuits stemming from the alleged incident.

Cansino and other attorneys say the probe conducted by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the Milledgeville Police Department could take weeks, maybe months.

Carl Prine can be reached at cprine@tribweb.com or 412-320-7826.

tony hipchest
03-13-2010, 11:19 PM
i knew all the greasy overembellished details would emerge in the sunday papers.

"chums"??? really? the "inner sanctum"? LMAO!

good to know the "smart" girl in question helps "raise" money for charity. its almost as heart warming of a story as the lesbian stripper who pleases men in the back room to help pay for "furthering their education".

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 03:03 AM
No, no, no....respecting everyone's style of posting in a mature and nonconfrontational manner is the only way to reply to people we disagree with. Anything else, like telling someone to "find a new team," is tantamount to "bitching" and "playing fan police." But of course, that obviously only applies to a certain select, special and enlightened few that don't subscribe to the lemming-like "group think" around here.waitaminute here...

are you really suggesting that a troll with a single post (who is most likely a brown or bungle fan looking to get their jollies), be treated with the same amount of respect as a contributing member such as vrabinec?

nice to know trolls and regular members are looked at in the same light. :thumbsup:

pardon me for being able to differentiate...

SteelersinCA
03-14-2010, 03:05 AM
since when is patron top shelf?

Heart4Steelers
03-14-2010, 03:05 AM
So we have this to look forward to every year?!




http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/14/ben-roethlisberger-party-ben-a-palooza-milledgeville-georgia-party-bus-photos-pictures/

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 03:12 AM
no sense in crying...

im sure you enjoyed SBXL and SBXLIIIapalooza.

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 03:15 AM
since when is patron top shelf?

shhhhhh....

all the rappers that nfl and nba players love, swear by the shit in their songs.

Heart4Steelers
03-14-2010, 03:16 AM
Talent will only carry Ben so far. I am afraid Ben will have a short career. And I am not referring to his off the field antics. He just doesn't seem disciplined.

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 03:28 AM
Talent will only carry Ben so far. I am afraid Ben will have a short career. And I am not referring to his off the field antics. He just doesn't seem disciplined.

favre, manning, marino, brady, elway, etc have all had long careers.

yet brady is the only one with more superbowls than ben and that is only because scott norwood wasnt his kicker and he was a beneficiary of cheating. :noidea:.
other than that, i could care less if ben has a birthday party every year with his buddies.

so what.

bradshaw didnt have a long career. does that mean we shoulda cut him after his 2nd sb win?

MACH1
03-14-2010, 03:29 AM
Talent will only carry Ben so far. I am afraid Ben will have a short career. And I am not referring to his off the field antics. He just doesn't seem disciplined.

http://smokejumping.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/chicken-little-sky-falling.jpg

WH
03-14-2010, 04:17 AM
To be blunt. If the VIP bathroom is a dozen paces away from the VIP room....what the f-bomb did this girl think was going to happen when she went in there with him? Did she think he had a checkers board setup in there? ''Smart'' Sorority sister my ass.

Galax Steeler
03-14-2010, 09:17 AM
Details emerge in Roethlisberger's night out

EATONTON, Ga. -- Shortly after 9 p.m. on March 4, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger turned to Heath Burton and told the restaurant owner that he was going to do something he'd never done before: Drive to tiny Milledgeville.

"He told me he'd never been down there," said Burton, owner of the posh Eenoco Japanese Steak & Sushi restaurant a few miles from Roethlisberger's mansion in the Reynolds Plantation resort.

After a 45-minute drive to the home of Georgia College & State University, Roethlisberger indulged in a few hours of bar hopping -- complete with Big Ben holding court in the VIP room of the popular Capital City nightclub. The fun ended soon after a 20-year-old woman told a Milledgeville patrolman at 2:30 a.m. March 5 that Roethlisberger, 28, had sexually assaulted her there.

The ongoing criminal investigation into Roethlisberger's conduct that night and a flood of national media washing over the seat of Baldwin County are revealing in greater detail the cloistered world of a National Football League icon known not only for his two Super Bowl rings, but also two allegations of sexual assault.

In Georgia, it all began with Roethlisberger and his posse of beefy buddies dining at the sushi restaurant near his mansion in the Great Waters section of the 14,000-acre resort.

"People approach him here, but this is a laid-back restaurant," Burton said. "Ben is really a nice guy, and I'm happy when he and his friends come in."

No. 7's faves: Firecracker roll -- spicy tuna, cream cheese and crab -- washed down with Japanese rice wine, called sake, or cold Bud Light.

On Memorial Day, he treated his offensive line to dinner here.

For guests, he buys top-shelf tequila, typically Patron, whether he's at the Ritz Carlton Lodge at Reynolds Plantation or Long Shot's, the sports bar just outside Great Waters.

"He loves to buy Patron. I don't know that I've ever seen him drink it, but he loves to buy it for his friends -- and those big ol' boys like it," said the tavern's owner, Shawn Wiggins.

"He's always a nice guy. Very sociable. But he doesn't like a lot of people hounding him. He comes in a few times a year and will bring his offensive line. They're great guys, too. We've never had a problem with them."

ANOTHER VIEW

While bistro owners have one view of the celebrity, some of the service employees who talked to the Trib had different opinions. Fearing for their jobs, they didn't want to talk about them on the record.

Their stories seemed similar to what Lake Tahoe restaurant manager Alvaro Brito has alleged in a lawsuit percolating through the Nevada courts.

In September, Brito's attorney alleged Roethlisberger got him fired for seeking identification of a 27-year-old woman seated with the quarterback and "several very large males, one or more of whom is believed to be a bodyguard or bodyguards."

Born in Mexico but an American citizen, Brito claims that Roethlisberger and his party "mocked, made fun and mimicked" his accent and that one of the men "intentionally bumped" him. Brito alleges that his boss, a Steelers' fan and golfing buddy of Roethlisberger, terminated his employment when Big Ben got mad.

Citing the ongoing lawsuit, Brito declined to talk to the Trib. So did managers at the resort where he once worked.

Roethlisberger wasn't named in the lawsuit.

The quarterback, however, is the subject of a lawsuit filed by a female Harrah's hotel employee who claims he sexually assaulted her in 2008. Roethlisberger has strongly denied the allegations.

So has his newest attorney, Atlanta lawyer Ed Garland, who insists Big Ben will be cleared in Milledgeville, too. Garland declined to comment for this story.

Garland has promised to arrange for Roethlisberger to meet with police and provide them with a DNA sample. Authorities won't say when that will be.

Party at the The Brick

Milledgeville students, bartenders and waitresses put Roethlisberger and his entourage -- estimated by witnesses to be from seven to nine other large men -- at The Velvet Elvis after 10 p.m. March 4.

He was wearing a black T-shirt emblazoned with the fiery image of Satan. Two of his chums were vacationing Coraopolis police Officer Anthony Barravecchio and Pennsylvania State Police Trooper Ed Joyner. Another was Steelers offensive lineman Willie Colon, who left with Roethlisberger after 11 p.m. to drink Patron tequila at The Brick bar across Han**** Street.

"I was walking down the sidewalk, and someone calls out, 'Big Ben is at The Brick.' I went to have a look. He had a group of big guys around him," said Scott Thompson, 24, a Georgia College & State University senior.

"They were all big. Ben looked pretty calm."

Thompson had seen Roethlisberger before, on Lake Oconee, where the public can take to the water alongside motorboats piloted by the rich and famous living in Roethlisberger's Great Waters development.

"We were near a sand bar," Thompson said. "His friends were with him. We call them the 'linemen' because they're so big. They stared at us, turned around and went away. They like their privacy."

At The Brick, Roethlisberger's large chums ensured that fans and the merely curious were kept at a distance. Thompson and a dozen other witnesses, however, said that some women were allowed into the circle to toast tequila he bought for them at the bar.

Whether she drank or not, a 20-year-old sophomore was there with a small group of friends. Friends and fellow students described her as a smart sorority sister from the Atlanta suburbs who helped raise money for charity.

Fateful meeting

Witnesses said Roethlisberger and the woman were first noticed near each other around 11 p.m. at The Brick, but it's unclear whether she had been admitted into the inner sanctum at that point.

She also was at Buffington's with him, but, again, it remains unclear whether she was the object of any special attention. There were a lot of people hanging around him, coming and going for photos and autographs, especially young women.

At Capital City, she was among the women selected to go into the VIP lounge, but some of her friends weren't. They stayed on the dance floor.

The woman has not commented about the incident. Her family has hired Atlanta attorney Lee Parks to represent her. He didn't return telephone calls.

The Trib doesn't name alleged victims of sexual assault.

While most Milledgeville residents have been fixated on other issues -- a slumping economy, rolling layoffs, a murder suspect on the loose -- students at George College & State University, a public liberal arts institution known for its academics, largely have rallied around the alleged victim.

"Every woman our age has been in bad situations with men, only not always to this extreme," said Jennifer Noice, 21, a former sorority sister to the young woman. "Whether you have been attacked or you were made very uncomfortable, that sort of moment affects you.

"It has a lasting effect. It hurts people. All the things people say about 'she is just a small-town woman who wants money' are so far from the truth. We support her because we know her."

The Capital City

After leaving The Brick in the waning hours of March 4, students milled near Roethlisberger as he held court in Buffington's, a bar named for the county's first tavern. Students described him as affable, a man who mugged for their cell-phone cameras, even taking time to pose with on- and off-duty Milledgeville police officers.

Roethlisberger's party walked east down Han**** Street to briefly glance into Amici's, but the drinking hole was packed, the students inside hopping to a live band.

After midnight, the Roethlisberger party ended up where hundreds of students at GCSU and the nearby Georgia Military College go on Thursdays, the busiest night for drinking and dancing: The Capital City -- a hard right off Han**** Street and a short stroll down South Wayne Street. Like most of downtown's boulevards, The Capital City is named for a Revolutionary War hero.

About 2:30 a.m., the woman told police she had been sexually assaulted in what's normally a locked staff bathroom a dozen or more paces away from the "VIP" room.

Until last call before 2 a.m., the Roethlisberger party had been encamped in the dark lounge that's really a small hall with a stage, a couple of couches near the glass window from the main bar. Students said that young women rotated in and out of the room, which is fenced off from the dance floor by a thin black curtain. No men outside the entourage were allowed inside.

The owners, who live in an apartment above the dance club, were out of town that night. They also run the restaurant downstairs, Chops. They've hired their own lawyer, prominent local defense attorney Carl Cansino, but they've faced no charges or lawsuits stemming from the alleged incident.

Cansino and other attorneys say the probe conducted by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation and the Milledgeville Police Department could take weeks, maybe months.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_671613.html?feed=9&source=rss_teams_Pittsburgh_Steelers

XxKnightxX
03-14-2010, 10:04 AM
What a mess regardless of the outcome, what a mess

T&B fan
03-14-2010, 12:20 PM
shes just a sweet little ol'county girl ,trying to help raise money for charity.......hes just BIG ben and a group of BIG guys around him all alone in the dark lounge ....and then there was that top-shelf tequila, typically Patron that was in the room, and Whether she drank or not , the 20-year-old was put in a bad situation . por little thing ,help less . . they open there case ...

zulater
03-14-2010, 09:27 PM
http://www.tmz.com/2010/03/14/ben-roethlisberger-party-ben-a-palooza-milledgeville-georgia-party-bus-photos-pictures/

What the hell's with Ben's hair in those pictures? It looks like he's channeling Billy Ray Cyrus or something.

:rofl:

Prok
03-14-2010, 09:49 PM
Yeah, she gets painted as this sweet little 20 yr old saint. And Big Bad Ben rolled into town with all these evil intentions. He probably was headed off somewhere else to rape and pillage afterwards, had he not been stopped by this sweet little innocent saint....
The BJ that saved Milledgeville. i see it on a book cover now.


:blah:

fansince'76
03-14-2010, 10:18 PM
Yeah, she gets painted as this sweet little 20 yr old saint. And Big Bad Ben rolled into town with all these evil intentions. He probably was headed off somewhere else to rape and pillage afterwards, had he not been stopped by this sweet little innocent saint....
The BJ that saved Milledgeville. i see it on a book cover now.


:blah:

"Big Bad Ben."

lVN1Apz45AE

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

stillers4me
03-14-2010, 10:20 PM
ROTFLMAO!!!

Prok
03-14-2010, 10:31 PM
LOL

Then his first line ofe defense:

"The devil on my shirt made me do it.

:flap:

Prok
03-14-2010, 10:35 PM
BTW I dare anyone to tell me how in the world that charges won't be filed too.

Look at the national villification of Ben and saint-hood treatment of the girl. Not a chance in hell charges get dropped now imo.

Gnutella
03-15-2010, 12:38 AM
Look at the national villification of Ben and saint-hood treatment of the girl.

Yeah, reminds me an awful lot of how the Duke LaCrosse team was teated by the media and the general public -- before all the facts were known, that is.

CargoJon
03-15-2010, 08:39 AM
Yeah, she gets painted as this sweet little 20 yr old saint. And Big Bad Ben rolled into town with all these evil intentions. He probably was headed off somewhere else to rape and pillage afterwards, had he not been stopped by this sweet little innocent saint....
The BJ that saved Milledgeville. i see it on a book cover now.


:blah:

My personal favorite was this gem:

Every woman our age has been in bad situations with men

:coffee:

vrabinec
03-15-2010, 09:28 AM
Did anyone happen to see the piece Geraldo did on Ben last night? I wanted to stay up and watch it, but fell asleep (or passed out, depending on your definition) before it came on. Just curious as to how he painted Ben.

SteelersinCA
03-15-2010, 09:40 AM
BTW I dare anyone to tell me how in the world that charges won't be filed too.

Look at the national villification of Ben and saint-hood treatment of the girl. Not a chance in hell charges get dropped now imo.

I dare you to tell me what national vilification has to do with the legal standard of filing charges.

Dino 6 Rings
03-15-2010, 09:56 AM
I guess it would be wrong for any article to ask why a good girl would get down on her knees on the tile floor of a bathroom in a club at 2am after drinking all night. I mean, that would just be wrong to wonder about. How often is that floor mopped do you suppose?

better to paint a picture of a good honest girl that just happened to follow ben from club to club and end up in the bathroom against her will. yep...better not paint it as anything other than that.

chacha
03-15-2010, 10:26 AM
I guess it would be wrong for any article to ask why a good girl would get down on her knees on the tile floor of a bathroom in a club at 2am after drinking all night.

To worship the porcelain god?

(other than worshiping the 6'5 football god!)

WH
03-15-2010, 10:53 AM
I guess it would be wrong for any article to ask why a good girl would get down on her knees on the tile floor of a bathroom in a club at 2am after drinking all night. I mean, that would just be wrong to wonder about. How often is that floor mopped do you suppose?

better to paint a picture of a good honest girl that just happened to follow ben from club to club and end up in the bathroom against her will. yep...better not paint it as anything other than that.

This.

steelreserve
03-15-2010, 11:17 AM
I dare you to tell me what national vilification has to do with the legal standard of filing charges.

I don't know ... why don't you go ask the guy who charged the Duke lacrosse team? Or the guy who went after Michael Jackson? What about the murder charges against the cop in the Oakland BART police shooting?

I'm not saying that DAs everywhere are just dragging people into court on trumped-up charges. But I think there's plenty of evidence that when a case gets national attention and potentially generates public outrage, there's a lot of pressure on the prosecutor to bring charges, most of which has nothing to do with legal standards. Yet sometimes they give in to it and file charges when they ordinarily would hesitate because of sketchy evidence.

"Ben isn't guilty? Why should I fall on that sword and take the brunt of the public outcry? Let's have a trial and let a jury dismiss the charges; that way no one can accuse me of not doing my job."

Not saying that WILL happen in this case, but it's not unprecedented.

Prok
03-15-2010, 11:33 AM
I don't know ... why don't you go ask the guy who charged the Duke lacrosse team? Or the guy who went after Michael Jackson? What about the murder charges against the cop in the Oakland BART police shooting?

I'm not saying that DAs everywhere are just dragging people into court on trumped-up charges. But I think there's plenty of evidence that when a case gets national attention and potentially generates public outrage, there's a lot of pressure on the prosecutor to bring charges, most of which has nothing to do with legal standards. Yet sometimes they give in to it and file charges when they ordinarily would hesitate because of sketchy evidence.

"Ben isn't guilty? Why should I fall on that sword and take the brunt of the public outcry? Let's have a trial and let a jury dismiss the charges; that way no one can accuse me of not doing my job."

Not saying that WILL happen in this case, but it's not unprecedented.

This.

Not saying I agree with it one bit. But imo there's not a doubt that charges will be filed.

pete74
03-15-2010, 11:40 AM
the only thing the national attention will effect is the time put into this acusation. the da and cops are going to make sure they have every little bit of evidence before they file or do not file charges. there not going to file without substantial proof and take the chance at losing in court with all this coverage. in there mind they have to be almost certain they can get a jury to find ben guilty before they charge him and risk being humiliated in the publics eye. i have no clue what will happen but i seriously doubt ben will ever see a guilty verdict for sexual assult. im not going to be like some members and say he definatly did it or didnt but i will say his decision making needs to change or he wont be playing football much longer.

Steel Warrior
03-15-2010, 12:17 PM
Did anyone happen to see the piece Geraldo did on Ben last night? I wanted to stay up and watch it, but fell asleep (or passed out, depending on your definition) before it came on. Just curious as to how he painted Ben.

Geraldo predicted that Ben would be traded, that he doesn't fit the image the Rooneys try to project, but, what the hell does Geraldo know.

pete74
03-15-2010, 12:39 PM
Geraldo predicted that Ben would be traded, that he doesn't fit the image the Rooneys try to project, but, what the hell does Geraldo know.

there is no way there trading him unless its for aaron rodgers in which case i wouldnnt complain much. i just cant see them trading ben plus nobody will pay market value for him until this case is over with. if we hear about another problem a year from now my opinion will change and i would gurentee he wouldnt play for the steelers again

Fire Haley
03-15-2010, 12:42 PM
Roethlisberger not at Steelers offseason workout


Scott Brown of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports the Steelers started offseason workouts today and there is one notable absence. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is not working out with his teammates and is not at the Steelers' practice facility.

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Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is not working out with his teammates and is not at the Steelers' practice facility.

Ben does his workouts late at night.

pete74
03-15-2010, 12:44 PM
there not required to attend and some top players usually train elswere

OX1947
03-15-2010, 12:45 PM
Geraldo predicted that Ben would be traded, that he doesn't fit the image the Rooneys try to project, but, what the hell does Geraldo know.

That is funny coming from Geraldo. The biggest cooz hound this side of Larry "the Owl" King. I have been very hard on Ben the last week, however, to me, when a woman is assaulted, that women has the control over whats right and wrong more then the abuser. If she decides to scratch the criminal charges and go civil, then that is a red flag saying that she holds herself no value and wants money. Sorry, if I was assaulted, i would want that son of a gun to suffer, money is no longer the issue. If the trauma of being assaulted is cured by money, then that is horse bleep unless its to pay medical bills not go parading the rest of your life because some big celeb gave you hush money. I may be in the minority here but if this was my daughter there is no way in hell I would allow her to settle. It wouldn't matter anyways, anyone who touches my kid would be dead anyways but that's besides the point. If this thing turns into a civil case, I call horse bleep and the Rooney's should fine Big Ben for being in that situation but it wouldn't be fair to suspend him or trade him.

steelreserve
03-15-2010, 01:08 PM
the only thing the national attention will effect is the time put into this acusation. the da and cops are going to make sure they have every little bit of evidence before they file or do not file charges. there not going to file without substantial proof and take the chance at losing in court with all this coverage. in there mind they have to be almost certain they can get a jury to find ben guilty before they charge him and risk being humiliated in the publics eye.

Not always. See the Duke lacrosse case I mentioned just a little bit ago. Sometimes the prosecutor thinks that filing charges is his/her civic duty -- "it's the court system's job to decide who's guilty, not mine" -- and that the bigger humiliation would be to NOT file charges. If you don't charge the guy, there can be the public perception that you're unilaterally deciding what constitutes justice, and some prosecutors probably don't want that.

Or, take a case like the Oakland BART police shooting. They're never going to get a murder conviction against the cop, but they filed murder charges anyway, knowing full well that the very first thing that will happen is it'll be reduced to manslaughter. Why? Because there was a huge public outcry, and if they didn't throw the book at the guy, they'd be decried as soft and incompetent, and probably "racist" on top of that. The DA's job is a political job, like it or not.

i have no clue what will happen but i seriously doubt ben will ever see a guilty verdict for sexual assult. im not going to be like some members and say he definatly did it or didnt but i will say his decision making needs to change or he wont be playing football much longer.

Agreed on all counts here. I don't see anything at all that indicates he's a criminal. But you really ought to know better than to do that kind of thing when you're under the microscope.

OneForTheToe
03-15-2010, 01:23 PM
Not always. See the Duke lacrosse case I mentioned just a little bit ago. Sometimes the prosecutor thinks that filing charges is his/her civic duty -- "it's the court system's job to decide who's guilty, not mine" -- and that the bigger humiliation would be to NOT file charges. If you don't charge the guy, there can be the public perception that you're unilaterally deciding what constitutes justice, and some prosecutors probably don't want that......







I think the pictures of Ben with the Georgia police officers are going to work against him in this case. The prosecutor and police detectives are not going to want to leave that image stand without an indictment, if indeed the issue of whether to indict or not is that close.

pete74
03-15-2010, 01:29 PM
Not always. See the Duke lacrosse case I mentioned just a little bit ago. Sometimes the prosecutor thinks that filing charges is his/her civic duty -- "it's the court system's job to decide who's guilty, not mine" -- and that the bigger humiliation would be to NOT file charges. If you don't charge the guy, there can be the public perception that you're unilaterally deciding what constitutes justice, and some prosecutors probably don't want that.

Or, take a case like the Oakland BART police shooting. They're never going to get a murder conviction against the cop, but they filed murder charges anyway, knowing full well that the very first thing that will happen is it'll be reduced to manslaughter. Why? Because there was a huge public outcry, and if they didn't throw the book at the guy, they'd be decried as soft and incompetent, and probably "racist" on top of that. The DA's job is a political job, like it or not.

true but this Agreed on all counts here. I don't see anything at all that indicates he's a criminal. But you really ought to know better than to do that kind of thing when you're under the microscope.


true but this small town with an unemployment rate over 14% dosnt have the money to throw away like oakland does. this would be an extremly expensive case to hear and im sure they dont want to waste the money unless there certain a conviction will follow

SteelersLUFC
03-15-2010, 02:31 PM
I think this is a point in general that it's digusting that we can't asking our overpaid proffesional athletes to have a bit of savvy and behave themselves knowing the media glare is on them you know

I'm a Leeds United fan and we had case about ten years ago where we had two players go out and alledgedly (Lee Bowyer and Jonathen Woodgate) vicously assault a Pakistani man. It made me sick to be a Leeds fan and something similar is happening here and it's not on simple as me and you woundnt carry on as they do so why should they be allowed to

Fire Haley
03-15-2010, 02:43 PM
Being an asshole doesn't make you guilty of a criminal offense.

He might be a dick, but he's OUR dick





wait - that didn't sound right

zulater
03-15-2010, 02:49 PM
Being an asshole doesn't make you guilty of a criminal offense.

He might be a dick, but he's OUR dick





wait - that didn't sound right

But oh so true.

And might I add, I hope he continues to be our dick. :thumbsup:






You're right, that doesn't sound right. :toofunny:

memphissteelergirl
03-15-2010, 03:40 PM
Being an asshole doesn't make you guilty of a criminal offense.

He might be a dick, but he's OUR dick





wait - that didn't sound right



:chuckle::chuckle::chuckle::chuckle:

plenewken
03-15-2010, 03:47 PM
Roethlisberger not at Steelers offseason workout


Scott Brown of the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review reports the Steelers started offseason workouts today and there is one notable absence. Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is not working out with his teammates and is not at the Steelers' practice facility.

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Quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is not working out with his teammates and is not at the Steelers' practice facility.

Ben does his workouts late at night.

Ben is in such great physical condition, he doesn't need no stinking team workout. I bet Casey Hampton gave him some conditioning tips for the off season. <g>

T&B fan
03-15-2010, 04:01 PM
true but this small town with an unemployment rate over 14% dosnt have the money to throw away like oakland does. this would be an extremly expensive case to hear and im sure they dont want to waste the money unless there certain a conviction will follow

tis might be true, but at the same time big case brings in TV crues and they eat and sleep in your town .

Psyychoward86
03-15-2010, 07:32 PM
Ben is in such great physical condition, he doesn't need no stinking team workout. I bet Casey Hampton gave him some conditioning tips for the off season. <g>

lovely sarcasm. i dont think you understand what Big Snack can bench and squat

JHSilverback
03-15-2010, 07:39 PM
tis might be true, but at the same time big case brings in TV crues and they eat and sleep in your town .

Trust me court cases cost way more than any money brought in by camera crews

pancake
03-15-2010, 08:02 PM
I wonder how long til we find out if he will be charged?

SteelersinCA
03-15-2010, 11:21 PM
I don't know ... why don't you go ask the guy who charged the Duke lacrosse team? Or the guy who went after Michael Jackson? What about the murder charges against the cop in the Oakland BART police shooting?

I'm not saying that DAs everywhere are just dragging people into court on trumped-up charges. But I think there's plenty of evidence that when a case gets national attention and potentially generates public outrage, there's a lot of pressure on the prosecutor to bring charges, most of which has nothing to do with legal standards. Yet sometimes they give in to it and file charges when they ordinarily would hesitate because of sketchy evidence.

"Ben isn't guilty? Why should I fall on that sword and take the brunt of the public outcry? Let's have a trial and let a jury dismiss the charges; that way no one can accuse me of not doing my job."

Not saying that WILL happen in this case, but it's not unprecedented.

I don't know anything about the Oakland BART shooting, but the Duke Lacrosse thing is exactly why it is taking so long in this case. The prosecutor acted on his own accord and was only concerned about a conviction not the truth. I think that is markedly different than what is going on here.

When it gets down to it, the prosecutors in GA are going to want to do what is right given what happened in the Duke case.

WH
03-16-2010, 02:18 AM
Speaking of the Duke case...be glad the girl was white.

steelerdude15
03-16-2010, 02:29 AM
I just can't wait till this all over, agree everyone?

pete74
03-16-2010, 04:55 AM
I just can't wait till this all over, agree everyone?

definatly. guilty or not i just want it over

HometownGal
03-16-2010, 06:28 AM
I just can't wait till this all over, agree everyone?

You definitely get my AMEN to that. :willy:

plenewken
03-16-2010, 07:48 AM
lovely sarcasm. i don't think you understand what Big Snack can bench and squat

Yes I do, but I also understand that he was too fat and out of shape when Tomlin nailed him 2 years ago. Lifting weights is one thing, moving is another.

vrabinec
03-16-2010, 08:32 AM
I just can't wait till this all over, agree everyone?

That depends on the outcome.

vrabinec
03-16-2010, 11:59 AM
I wonder how long til we find out if he will be charged?

Looks like he and his posse flew down to be interviewed on Saturday. I would think it wouldn't be long now 'til we hear something.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/16/roethlisberger-already-met-with-investigators-in-georgia/

CargoJon
03-16-2010, 12:45 PM
God please let this just end soon. Preferably with a "we didn't find any evidence of wrongdoing" statement by the gubment...

Fire Haley
03-16-2010, 12:53 PM
Looks like he and his posse flew down to be interviewed on Saturday. I would think it wouldn't be long now 'til we hear something.



Roethlisberger did fly back to Pittsburgh after leaving Georgia to meet with ownership and team officials about the matter.

A Come to Jesus meeting with the big brass - that would have been worth the price of admission.

zulater
03-16-2010, 01:02 PM
http://chattahbox.com/entertainment/2010/03/15/ben-roethlisberger-has-body-guards-guard-bathroom-door-witness-says/?flv=1

Georgia (ChattahBox) – According to a witness at the bar the night Steeler’s quarterback Ben Roethlisberger allegedly sexually assaulted a woman, the NFL player had his bodyguards guard the bathroom door while he and the 20-year-old college student were in there.


The witness also said that he was “not nice”, buying roungs and then shouting out “All you bitches, take my shots!”

He was said to have been hitting on a lot of women before following the accusing victim into the bathroom and having his bodyguards block the door.

Roethlisberger has denied that he raped the victim, stating it was consenting sex.

This is the second sexual abuse allegation for the football player, who was also accused of raping a woman in a Nevada casino.

Though he originally denied investigators a DNA sample, he is now cooperating.


This if true is very bad.

It's one thing if he followed her in as per her request, but the way this paints it, well if true, bye bye Ben.

steelreserve
03-16-2010, 01:28 PM
http://chattahbox.com/entertainment/2010/03/15/ben-roethlisberger-has-body-guards-guard-bathroom-door-witness-says/?flv=1

Georgia (ChattahBox) – According to a witness at the bar the night Steeler’s quarterback Ben Roethlisberger allegedly sexually assaulted a woman, the NFL player had his bodyguards guard the bathroom door while he and the 20-year-old college student were in there.


The witness also said that he was “not nice”, buying roungs and then shouting out “All you bitches, take my shots!”

He was said to have been hitting on a lot of women before following the accusing victim into the bathroom and having his bodyguards block the door.

Roethlisberger has denied that he raped the victim, stating it was consenting sex.

This is the second sexual abuse allegation for the football player, who was also accused of raping a woman in a Nevada casino.

Though he originally denied investigators a DNA sample, he is now cooperating.


This if true is very bad.

It's one thing if he followed her in as per her request, but the way this paints it, well if true, bye bye Ben.

Yeah, it SOUNDS bad, but even so, is there anything in there that means he's guilty of anything?

Being a jerk to women at a bar certainly isn't a crime, and god knows some of them deserve it. Hitting on women is pretty much why you're there. The part about the bodyguards ... kind of creepy I suppose, but it doesn't really change anything.

I mean, are we supposed to believe that if the chick was just going in there to use the bathroom, and gave no one any indication that she wanted a dick in her mouth ... Ben barged in after her like a sex offender, and the bodyguards would have just said "OK, let's just stand here and guard the door so he can have his way with her."

I don't see that as too realistic. If this story is TRUE, it's a pretty excellent indicator that something willing was going on beforehand.

Anyway, this doesn't really change my opinion -- still unlikely that he's going to be found guilty of anything, somewhat higher odds that he'll be charged but not convicted, and a 100% chance that his reputation is in the toilet regardless.

WH
03-16-2010, 01:30 PM
http://chattahbox.com/entertainment/2010/03/15/ben-roethlisberger-has-body-guards-guard-bathroom-door-witness-says/?flv=1

Georgia (ChattahBox) – According to a witness at the bar the night Steeler’s quarterback Ben Roethlisberger allegedly sexually assaulted a woman, the NFL player had his bodyguards guard the bathroom door while he and the 20-year-old college student were in there.


The witness also said that he was “not nice”, buying roungs and then shouting out “All you bitches, take my shots!”

He was said to have been hitting on a lot of women before following the accusing victim into the bathroom and having his bodyguards block the door.

Roethlisberger has denied that he raped the victim, stating it was consenting sex.

This is the second sexual abuse allegation for the football player, who was also accused of raping a woman in a Nevada casino.

Though he originally denied investigators a DNA sample, he is now cooperating.


This if true is very bad.

It's one thing if he followed her in as per her request, but the way this paints it, well if true, bye bye Ben.
http://www.wxdx.com/cc-common/mlib/2094/03/2094_1268755619.jpg

Mark Madden is a dick but this is hilarious.

zulater
03-16-2010, 02:00 PM
Yeah, it SOUNDS bad, but even so, is there anything in there that means he's guilty of anything?

Being a jerk to women at a bar certainly isn't a crime, and god knows some of them deserve it. Hitting on women is pretty much why you're there. The part about the bodyguards ... kind of creepy I suppose, but it doesn't really change anything.

I mean, are we supposed to believe that if the chick was just going in there to use the bathroom, and gave no one any indication that she wanted a dick in her mouth ... Ben barged in after her like a sex offender, and the bodyguards would have just said "OK, let's just stand here and guard the door so he can have his way with her."

I don't see that as too realistic. If this story is TRUE, it's a pretty excellent indicator that something willing was going on beforehand.

Anyway, this doesn't really change my opinion -- still unlikely that he's going to be found guilty of anything, somewhat higher odds that he'll be charged but not convicted, and a 100% chance that his reputation is in the toilet regardless.

I understand what you're saying, but I'd have been a lot happier if a story came forth that had her following him into the room or them walking in together.

Indo
03-16-2010, 03:36 PM
I understand what you're saying, but I'd have been a lot happier if a story came forth that had her following him into the room or them walking in together.

...hand in hand...

pete74
03-16-2010, 03:43 PM
i keep hearing about ben getting a blowjob in the bathroom on here. is that something everyone is assuming or did you guys read it somewere?

Dino 6 Rings
03-16-2010, 04:21 PM
you know, even if they decide to not charge him, she may turn around and file a civil suit...one of the biggest defenses against McNulty is that she never reported the incident to police, here this girl, did report it to police, so now she has a "gottcha" in a civil case.

steeldawg
03-16-2010, 04:35 PM
http://chattahbox.com/entertainment/2010/03/15/ben-roethlisberger-has-body-guards-guard-bathroom-door-witness-says/?flv=1

Georgia (ChattahBox) – According to a witness at the bar the night Steeler’s quarterback Ben Roethlisberger allegedly sexually assaulted a woman, the NFL player had his bodyguards guard the bathroom door while he and the 20-year-old college student were in there.


The witness also said that he was “not nice”, buying roungs and then shouting out “All you bitches, take my shots!”

He was said to have been hitting on a lot of women before following the accusing victim into the bathroom and having his bodyguards block the door.

Roethlisberger has denied that he raped the victim, stating it was consenting sex.

This is the second sexual abuse allegation for the football player, who was also accused of raping a woman in a Nevada casino.

Though he originally denied investigators a DNA sample, he is now cooperating.


This if true is very bad.

It's one thing if he followed her in as per her request, but the way this paints it, well if true, bye bye Ben.

Who is the witness who wrote this article ? only one person in a bar witnessed bens boddygaurds blocking the door?

Dino 6 Rings
03-16-2010, 04:41 PM
Anyway, I was thinking, maybe he just upset her so much she cried rape...ya know...she could have said something like "ok but don't....in my mouth alright" and he said "sure baby...sure...yeah...I won't"

and then well, ya know...and then she gets all mad or something and feels ya know...violated...maybe she gets up, feeling gross or whatever, bumps her head, (most likely on the sink) thinks..."I'll show that a-hole" "cops cops cops"

anyway...just throwing it out there.

maybe he's just a drunken pig that tackled her in the bathroom, punched her in the face a couple times, and had his way with her. All this while his henchmen cops and bodyguards stood watch to make sure this Villian could get away with his dastardly deed, (does Ben have a mustache he can twist while he laughs?)

steeldawg
03-16-2010, 04:48 PM
I have a hard time believing 2 off duty officers gaurded the door for ben to go in and rape a girl. not saying i didnt happen but that seems a little far fetched.

pete74
03-16-2010, 04:56 PM
I have a hard time believing 2 off duty officers gaurded the door for ben to go in and rape a girl. not saying i didnt happen but that seems a little far fetched.

if they did in fact gaurd the door it seems more likely they were doing so because they both went in there with the intent on doing something and they didnt want anyone walking in. that dosnt mean she did or didnt say stop at anytime during the altercation though but if she did you would think the cops would hear and intervene

steeldawg
03-16-2010, 05:02 PM
if they did in fact gaurd the door it seems more likely they were doing so because they both went in there with the intent on doing something and they didnt want anyone walking in. that dosnt mean she did or didnt say stop at anytime during the altercation though but if she did you would think the cops would hear and intervene

I agree but the way the article makes it sound, like he followed her in to the bathroom and they blocked the door so she couldnt get out and no one could get in....I dont even no why im discussing this article from a site called chatterbox.com

pete74
03-16-2010, 05:06 PM
I agree but the way the article makes it sound, like he followed her in to the bathroom and they blocked the door so she couldnt get out and no one could get in....I dont even no why im discussing this article from a site called chatterbox.com

yea nobody knows the truth and the longer this goes on the more rumors we will hear. im sure there are cameras or enough people who saw so the cops will already know the truth but we wont know for a while still. i wish the cops would hold press confrences more often to keep the public informed but that will never happen

mesaSteeler
03-16-2010, 07:54 PM
Roethlisberger Goes To Georgia, Doesn't Talk With Police
Report: Pittsburgh Steelers QB's Birthday Trip Called 'Ben-A-Palooza'
http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/22838557/detail.html

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- Some media are reporting that Ben Roethlisberger will provide a DNA sample for the ongoing investigation of a young woman's claim of sexual assault, but Channel 4 Action News reporter Ari Hait's sources said the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback's lawyer has not agreed to it and police may need to get a warrant first.

Agent Tom Davis, of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, told Channel 4 Action News on Tuesday that Roethlisberger was in Georgia this past weekend but police have not interviewed him yet.

Davis said police spent the weekend talking to a number of Roethlisberger's friends who were partying with him on the night of March 4 and into the early morning of March 5, when the assault allegedly took place at Capital City nightclub.

Attorney Ed Garland, who's representing Roethlisberger, has cooperated with every aspect of the investigation except allowing police to talk to Roethlisberger, Davis said.

When Hait asked if that means Roethlisberger has provided a DNA sample, Davis said he would not comment on any matters of evidence.

Milledgeville police told Hait on Monday that they will not rush the case -- much of which is being handled by the GBI -- and have not set a timeline for a decision about whether or not Roethlisberger will be charged with a crime. Roethlsiberger's lawyer has denied that his client committed any criminal act.

Roethlisberger missed the first day of the Steelers' off-season workouts Monday, but so did 18 other starting players. The Steelers said it would have been out of the ordinary had he been there.

His accuser may return to Georgia College & State University as early as this week, according to the woman's lawyer. She took a leave of absence and went home to her parents in Atlanta after media descended on the tiny college town where she claims to have been assaulted.

The 20-year-old woman made a surprise appearance over the weekend at a sorority retreat in the mountains of northern Georgia. Her sisters said she was acting very normal and just wanted to get away for the weekend and didn't want to talk about the allegations.

New pictures and information about Roethlisberger's trip with friends for a birthday celebration in Georgia were published Sunday on TMZ.com.

The TMZ report indicated that the getaway apparently had a name, Ben-a-palooza, and the men boarded a bus and headed for Roethlisberger's Georgia home before going on a Milledgeville bar crawl.

Accompanying Roethlisberger on the trip were two off-duty Pittsburgh-area police officers who were not acting as security on the trip, but were only there as his friends.

"My client saw absolutely no illegal activity whatsoever, nothing to indicate that anything out-of-line happened," said Mike Santicola, a lawyer for one of the police officers.

mesaSteeler
03-16-2010, 07:56 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/12/earlyshow/main6292235.shtml
NEW YORK, March 12, 2010
Roethlisberger: "Criminal" or "Idiot"

LA Times Writer Says Conviction Should Be "Bad Judgment"; Steelers QB Now on List of Athletes Accused of Sexual Misconduct



As Ga. police continue to look into the assault claim against Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, Manuel Gallegus reports on the long list of athletes accused of sexual misconduct in the past.


(CBS) Police in Georgia are still checking out a woman's claim that Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger assaulted her a week ago.

Roethlisberger denies any wrongdoing. But as CBS News correspondent Manuel Gallegus reported, his name is now on a long list of athletes accused of sexual misconduct.

While the Super Bowl champion quarterback may, in fact, be innocent of sexual assault, Gallegus remarked, there's little doubt his judgment could be called into question.

Bill Plaschke, a sports columnist for the Los Angeles Times, told CBS News, "At the worst he's a criminal and the very least he's an idiot, whose conviction should be a bad judgment."

Sources say Roethlisberger has told police he had sexual contact with the 20-year-old woman who is accusing him of assault in a Georgia nightclub. He denies having intercourse or assaulting her.

Ed Garland, Roethlisberger's defense attorney, has said, "Our position, as we have stated, is that there was no crime committed by Ben and we expect the facts will show that and clearly prove that."

Plenty of high profile athletes manage to keep their reputations squeaky clean, like Derek Jeter and LeBron James, but there are also those who find themselves in trouble.

In 1992, Mike Tyson was convicted of rape and served three years in prison.

In 2003, Kobe Bryant was accused of raping a hotel employee in Colorado. He admitted having sex with the woman, but denied any criminal activity.

Plashcke says athletes have to always be on guard both on and off the field.

He said, "If you're an athlete, you have to assume you are a target. If you're a target on the football field you're a target off the field, you have to assume people are coming after you, you have to be smarter than that, your life is no longer your own."

Gallegus added it may be months before it's known if Roethlisberger committed a crime -- or is just another athlete with a tarnished reputation.

zulater
03-16-2010, 08:31 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5001162

ATLANTA -- An attorney for Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger says the two-time Super Bowl winner has yet to meet with Georgia authorities who are investigating a sexual assault allegation made against him by a 20-year-old college student.

Ed Garland told The Associated Press on Tuesday that his client is not in Georgia and has yet to speak with investigators regarding the accusation made on March 5 in Milledgeville. He has not been charged.
Garland says there is no timetable for the interview.

NFL.com reported on Tuesday that Roethlisberger and others who were with him the night of the alleged incident were interviewed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation on Saturday in Georgia.

When asked if the NFL.com report was true, Georgia Bureau of Investigation special agent Tom Davis told ESPN's Kelly Naqi on Tuesday in an e-mail, "Not entirely."

"[The Georgia Bureau of Investigation] has not interviewed Ben Roethlisberger yet," special agent Tom Davis told Naqi on Tuesday. "We interviewed a majority of people that were in his group on Saturday in Georgia. I will not say who from his group we interviewed but we have not spoken to Ben yet. His lawyer has not made him available. [Garland] has cooperated in every way, with the exception of the interview."

Davis said Garland has cooperated with the investigation and has made the Steelers quarterback "available for everything we have asked with the exception of interviewing him at this point."

When asked if Garland had told authorities whether Roethlisberger would be made available in the future, Davis told Naqi, "[Garland] has not decided for sure one way or the other."

Davis added, "According to the Bill of Rights, [Roethlisberger] doesn't have to speak with police if he doesn't want to but [Garland] has been very cooperative in every other way."

Davis declined to say whether Garland was considering having Roethlisberger submit a sample of his DNA for testing.

Milledgeville Police Chief Woodrow Blue also confirmed to ESPN in an e-mail Tuesday that investigators spoke on Saturday to members of Roethlisberger's party from the night of the alleged assault, but have not yet interviewed Roethlisberger.

"We haven't set any timetable for ourselves [on when they'll complete their investigation]," Blue told Naqi. He reiterated that Garland has been cooperative.

The student told police that the 28-year-old quarterback, who had been barhopping with friends, assaulted her at a nightclub in the college town.

Garland has said the quarterback committed no crime.

Roethlisberger's agent, Ryan Tollner, declined comment when reached by ESPN on Tuesday.

Roethlisberger missed the start of the Steelers' offseason workout program Monday.

Information from ESPN's Kelly Naqi and The Associated Press is included in this report.

stillers4me
03-17-2010, 05:45 AM
I agree but the way the article makes it sound, like he followed her in to the bathroom and they blocked the door so she couldnt get out and no one could get in....I dont even no why im discussing this article from a site called chatterbox.com

They forget to add the part about burning the village and climbing back into the Viking ship.

siss
03-17-2010, 09:07 AM
It's been almost two weeks and no charges have been filed. Until there are charges and a conviction against Ben, I'm not jumping off any cliffs or throwing him under any buses. Everyone and their brother was a witness and they all think they know what happened, but the truth is that the police are not talking and neither is anyone truly involved in the case. And shouldn't she have filed charges against him? I thought she could press charges and he would be arrested. Plus everyone in the media has an unnamed source So until then Ben is still my franchise pro Bowl 102 million dollar QB.

Steelers>NFL
03-17-2010, 09:23 AM
Agreed.
But he is still a dumb, immature leader (or the face) of the greatest franchise in all of porfessional sports.
He still needs to GROW UP!!!

siss
03-17-2010, 09:33 AM
Agreed.
But he is still a dumb, immature leader (or the face) of the greatest franchise in all of porfessional sports.
He still needs to GROW UP!!!

I agree that he was irresponsible and needs to grow up. Settle down and win some more Lombardi's.

pete74
03-17-2010, 09:36 AM
It's been almost two weeks and no charges have been filed. Until there are charges and a conviction against Ben, I'm not jumping off any cliffs or throwing him under any buses. Everyone and their brother was a witness and they all think they know what happened, but the truth is that the police are not talking and neither is anyone truly involved in the case. And shouldn't she have filed charges against him? I thought she could press charges and he would be arrested. Plus everyone in the media has an unnamed source So until then Ben is still my franchise pro Bowl 102 million dollar QB.

she made a police report but charges wont be filed until all the info is gathered. the cops want ben's dna and havnt got it yet. once they obtain it there is a 6-8 week wait for the results so we probably wont know for weeks or maybe months if charges will be filed

Hammer67
03-17-2010, 09:41 AM
I said in another thread, that guilty or not, he is still putting himself in these situations. If you are young (26 in his case), rich, famous, single and like to party...you will put your self in comprimising positions. Either too much temptation or being around people who want to take advantage of you. We all know there are women out there who see the $$$ and will throw people under the bus.

Ben needs a GF or a wife, or, he needs to tighten up his circle of friends and not expose himself (you know what I mean) publically.

pete74
03-17-2010, 09:43 AM
I said in another thread, that guilty or not, he is still putting himself in these situations. If you are young (26 in his case), rich, famous, single and like to party...you will put your self in comprimising positions. Either too much temptation or being around people who want to take advantage of you. We all know there are women out there who see the $$$ and will throw people under the bus.

Ben needs a GF or a wife, or, he needs to tighten up his circle of friends and not expose himself (you know what I mean) publically.

ben rothlisberger is 28

Hammer67
03-17-2010, 09:44 AM
ben rothlisberger is 28

28...right. Semantics that don't change the point.

siss
03-17-2010, 09:46 AM
she made a police report but charges wont be filed until all the info is gathered. the cops want ben's dna and havnt got it yet. once they obtain it there is a 6-8 week wait for the results so we probably wont know for weeks or maybe months if charges will be filed
But they usually arrest the guy in cases like this.

memphissteelergirl
03-17-2010, 09:50 AM
Wait a minute now...I've heard reports that Ben was nursing a beer most of the night...now I'm hearing he was downing shots all night?

This thing gets more and more muddled as the days go on.. :doh:

pete74
03-17-2010, 09:55 AM
Wait a minute now...I've heard reports that Ben was nursing a beer most of the night...now I'm hearing he was downing shots all night?

This thing gets more and more muddled as the days go on.. :doh:

exactly, the longer this goes on the more rumors will be spread.

klick81
03-17-2010, 10:16 AM
So here's my question: what is the reasoning behind Ben's attorney not allowing him to speak with police? Is he worried that his words would get "twisted around"?

Fire Haley
03-17-2010, 10:34 AM
So here's my question: what is the reasoning behind Ben's attorney not allowing him to speak with police? Is he worried that his words would get "twisted around"?

It's called the Fifth Amendment.

The prosecutors have to prove your guilt, you don't have to prove that you're innocent.

Deny deny deny

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-17-2010, 10:35 AM
28...right. Semantics that don't change the point.

Hammer, good to see you back on the board. I agree with your posts, but you gotta admitt that immature guys at 26, can turn the corner by 28....so there is a difference IMO.

But, normally a near death motorcycle accident and a Nevada sexual assault charge would help out the maturity curve. I dont know if anything short of sharing a cell with Plaxico Burress for a while is gonna help him out??

PalmerSteel
03-17-2010, 10:42 AM
from an outsider looking in: he was a good straight kid coming out of college. i think he has gotten away from his good natured roots a bit the last few years with all the fame and fortune. he needs to get back to his small town ohio grass roots and get his act together, guilty or not! his head has swelled too much lately, and not only from this story but from a couple stories i have heard of him in the pittsburgh area.
ben, if ya feel the need to party so hard, create your own club in your basement and wherever you go in your house, have that sucker DVR'd just in case you ever need to go back for video evidence!

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-17-2010, 10:44 AM
But they usually arrest the guy in cases like this.

Yeah, but the guy in these cases isnt normally a Super Bowl MVP QB that was getting his picture taken with the local cops a few hours earlier.

If you lose SB's you get the Corny Bennett treatment:

Cornelius Bennett

Atlanta Falcons

He was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in a Buffalo hotel room in 1997. Bennett pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of sex abuse and was sentenced to 60 days in jail. He served 36. In addition to the jail sentence, Bennett was fined $1,000 and was ordered to pay $617.26 of the woman's hospital bills, perform 100 hours of community service and undergo anger-management and substance-abuse counseling.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2003-12-22-athletes-assault-side_x.htm

steelreserve
03-17-2010, 11:19 AM
Protip: You are not "throwing the guy under the bus" if you call him a dumbass for this. He kind of deserves it.

You shouldn't be judging him guilty or not, but nobody is doing that anyway.

Except for about a 5% minority, who are probably dumbasses themselves.

For some reason, that seems to have gotten everyone's panties in a bunch.

WH
03-17-2010, 11:36 AM
Someone start a rumor that he was snorting coke off of this girls breasts in the bathroom.

Why is it that Ben is slumming it when Tom Brady is banging supermodels......two different ones no less.

Fire Haley
03-17-2010, 11:46 AM
Does it really matter? One more concussion and Ben is gonna retire anyway, that's what I perdict.

And I don't need a "gee, this just popped into my head - I better start another Ben thread" to prove it.

SteelerFanInStl
03-17-2010, 12:21 PM
I think that everyone agrees that Ben is an idiot for getting himself into this situation. Personally I think that his parents are the ones that need to step in and change his behavior.

stb_steeler
03-17-2010, 12:34 PM
I think that everyone agrees that Ben is an idiot for getting himself into this situation. Personally I think that his parents are the ones that need to step in and change his behavior.

His dad did step in....there was an article in our paper , his dad saying Ben isnt the snob nose all the time but he needs to acknowledge his fans more and not brush them off, but in the mean time he needs his privacy.

SteelerFanInStl
03-17-2010, 12:37 PM
His dad did step in....there was an article in our paper , his dad saying Ben isnt the snob nose all the time but he needs to acknowledge his fans more and not brush them off, but in the mean time he needs his privacy.

I'm not even talking about how he treats fans. I'm talking about telling him to keep out of the bars and clubs. Hopefully his dad has had something to say about that.

43Hitman
03-17-2010, 01:12 PM
Does it really matter? One more concussion and Ben is gonna retire anyway, that's what I perdict.

And I don't need a "gee, this just popped into my head - I better start another Ben thread" to prove it.

lol. yes you do!

klick81
03-17-2010, 01:28 PM
It's called the Fifth Amendment.

The prosecutors have to prove your guilt, you don't have to prove that you're innocent.

Deny deny deny


I understand that - but it seems like the fifth amendment is invoked when you have information that will help prove that you are guilty.

But hey, what do I know.

OneForTheToe
03-17-2010, 01:38 PM
Why is it that Ben is slumming it when Tom Brady is banging supermodels......two different ones no less.


Is this what you mean:

http://rodonline.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/24/20080724tysonbeckford.jpg


:sissies:

:wink02:

chacha
03-17-2010, 02:15 PM
I just heard and it's on TMZ's site that the Georgia authoities wanted to talk to McNutty! But her lawyers wouldnt let them. I mean c'mon, this is ridicuous, one is a civil suit, are the Georgia investigators grasping at straws now? Plus there's no way McNutty's lawuers would let their nutjob client talk to anyone

pete74
03-17-2010, 03:17 PM
I just heard and it's on TMZ's site that the Georgia authoities wanted to talk to McNutty! But her lawyers wouldnt let them. I mean c'mon, this is ridicuous, one is a civil suit, are the Georgia investigators grasping at straws now? Plus there's no way McNutty's lawuers would let their nutjob client talk to anyone

hell no, they want the money. period. they dont want to do or say anything that may interfere with her getting paid

Glace
03-17-2010, 04:22 PM
It almost worries me that we've heard nothing from Ben this time around.

His lawyer "hasn't made him available" to the police for interviewing....No DNA sample has been given....

No emotional/angry denial statement from Ben yet....

The whole tone of the McNutty crap is missing this time around.

And...it was admitted that he was in the bathroom with her...and that she "hit her head"...


I don't know...if I'm completely innocent...I've got nothing to hide by interviewing with police and submitting a DNA sample to clear my name.

tony hipchest
03-17-2010, 04:38 PM
It almost worries me that we've heard nothing from Ben this time around.

His lawyer "hasn't made him available" to the police for interviewing....No DNA sample has been given....

.actually there was a big misunderstanding.

ben did show up to the police station to offer a DNA sample.

he did not realize they would use a cotton cheek swab and in his confusion he just raped the receptionist and left. :noidea:

SteelCityMom
03-17-2010, 04:44 PM
It almost worries me that we've heard nothing from Ben this time around.

His lawyer "hasn't made him available" to the police for interviewing....No DNA sample has been given....

No emotional/angry denial statement from Ben yet....

The whole tone of the McNutty crap is missing this time around.

And...it was admitted that he was in the bathroom with her...and that she "hit her head"...


I don't know...if I'm completely innocent...I've got nothing to hide by interviewing with police and submitting a DNA sample to clear my name.

You're also not a high paid athlete with a very high profile lawyer. Believe me, his lawyers don't really care about what the public thinks right now, all they care about is doing whatever it takes to make it harder for the DA to have any kind of a case...that's what good defense lawyers do.

And it's been mentioned before, but his lawyers aren't going to let him make a statement or provide DNA without a warrant. The DA has to have probable cause for a warrant. Everything that the lawyers are doing right now are tactics to protect their client.

stillers4me
03-17-2010, 04:51 PM
You're also not a high paid athlete with a very high profile lawyer. Believe me, his lawyers don't really care about what the public thinks right now, all they care about is doing whatever it takes to make it harder for the DA to have any kind of a case...that's what good defense lawyers do.

And it's been mentioned before, but his lawyers aren't going to let him make a statement or provide DNA without a warrant. The DA has to have probable cause for a warrant. Everything that the lawyers are doing right now are tactics to protect their client.

orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............Ben could take the advice of the legal eagles on this site............

pancake
03-17-2010, 06:52 PM
^^^^


:rofl:

HometownGal
03-17-2010, 07:23 PM
orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.............Ben could take the advice of the legal eagles on this site............

:applaudit::thumbsup::applaudit:

And . . . it's free! :chuckle:

SteelersinCA
03-17-2010, 10:20 PM
It almost worries me that we've heard nothing from Ben this time around.

His lawyer "hasn't made him available" to the police for interviewing....No DNA sample has been given....

No emotional/angry denial statement from Ben yet....

The whole tone of the McNutty crap is missing this time around.

And...it was admitted that he was in the bathroom with her...and that she "hit her head"...


I don't know...if I'm completely innocent...I've got nothing to hide by interviewing with police and submitting a DNA sample to clear my name.

But he had some sort of contact with this lady, no one denies that. Things can be misinterpreted and warped. Ben's lawyer will not give statements or DNA until the GBI shows its hand. That's just being smart.

I don't care if you weren't speeding and you know you aren't drunk, you still don't give the cops ammo to use against you however they see fit. You say you said you had nothing to drink, the cop says you said you had 5 beers, who do you think the jury is going to believe? The guy trying to get off or the sweet little innocent cop who is just out there trying to make a living?? :thumbsup:

SteelerFanInStl
03-17-2010, 10:24 PM
But he had some sort of contact with this lady, no one denies that. Things can be misinterpreted and warped. Ben's lawyer will not give statements or DNA until the GBI shows its hand. That's just being smart.

I don't care if you weren't speeding and you know you aren't drunk, you still don't give the cops ammo to use against you however they see fit. You say you said you had nothing to drink, the cop says you said you had 5 beers, who do you think the jury is going to believe? The guy trying to get off or the sweet little innocent cop who is just out there trying to make a living?? :thumbsup:

:iagree: The smartest thing that you can do when you're accused of something is to shut up, no matter if you're innocent or guilty. I think if Ben had hired Ray's lawyer for the McNulty case, that suit would've been thrown out a long time ago.

steeldawg
03-18-2010, 07:14 AM
:iagree: The smartest thing that you can do when you're accused of something is to shut up, no matter if you're innocent or guilty. I think if Ben had hired Ray's lawyer for the McNulty case, that suit would've been thrown out a long time ago.

I dont this attorney he has now does civil cases but im not sure.

HometownGal
03-18-2010, 07:50 AM
But he had some sort of contact with this lady, no one denies that. Things can be misinterpreted and warped. Ben's lawyer will not give statements or DNA until the GBI shows its hand. That's just being smart.

I don't care if you weren't speeding and you know you aren't drunk, you still don't give the cops ammo to use against you however they see fit. You say you said you had nothing to drink, the cop says you said you had 5 beers, who do you think the jury is going to believe? The guy trying to get off or the sweet little innocent cop who is just out there trying to make a living?? :thumbsup:

:applaudit::drink::applaudit:

AMEN.

Fire Haley
03-18-2010, 11:47 AM
We should all be so proud of Ben making an episode of South Park.

Sex addict clinic scene with Bill Clinton, Charlie Sheen etc

Ben even had a speaking part

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_nfl_experts__22/ept_sports_nfl_experts-872181391-1268923253.jpg?ym1981CDbDtRaDJ2


How do you avoid being caught... Ben?

"Don't screw girls in da public bathrooms"

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/267345

chacha
03-18-2010, 12:03 PM
Ben is in South Park...this makes him officially a STAR!!!!! :tt02:

43Hitman
03-18-2010, 12:19 PM
What handkerchief?





"BEWARE OF ALIEN WIZARDS!!!

Nadroj 20
03-18-2010, 12:20 PM
:rofl: @ the Tiger woods video game

Dino 6 Rings
03-18-2010, 12:38 PM
yep looking forward to drafting Teebow at this point.

Fire Haley
03-18-2010, 01:15 PM
I got me a new ave.

Fire Haley
03-18-2010, 01:36 PM
4 more weeks


Investigators Speak To Witnesses In Big Ben Probe

Police spoke with Roethlisberger the night of the alleged incident but thus far Roethlisberger's attorney has not allowed his client to be re-interviewed.

But Sheehan's sources say those in his entourage told police what Roethlisberger told them – that he did not have sexual intercourse with the young woman, that whatever happened between them was consensual and that she stumbled and injured her head.

But Investigator Davis said the investigation has a way to go, that it will likely be three to four weeks before it's all wrapped up.

http://kdka.com/steelers/Ben.Roethlisberger.investigation.2.1570637.html

pete74
03-18-2010, 03:00 PM
Following recent allegations of sexual assault, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger(notes) has removed himself from participation in the Kraft Nabisco Championship Celebrity Pro-Am, TMZ.com reports.

The tournament is scheduled for March 29-April 4 in Rancho Mirage, Calif., and the quarterback has obviously been advised to keep a low profile until the legal issues are resolved.


Roethlisberger told police last week in Milledgeville, Ga., he had "sexual contact" with the woman who is accusing him of sexual assault, but he said no force was involved.

Fire Haley
03-18-2010, 03:27 PM
The axe is being raised...

Rooney says Steelers will wait on Roethlisberger investigation

Thursday, March 18, 2010
By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Steelers President Art Rooney said he will allow the investigation of sexual assault charges against quarterback Ben Roethlisberger to finish before the team decides what direction it might take on the matter.

While Rooney declined to discuss the situation, he did say the team has time on its side before it looks at making any personnel moves to bring in a quarterback.

"I mean, look that's one of the things, we do have a little bit of luxury of time," Rooney said this afternoon during an interview at Steelers offices, his first public comments since he issued a statement last week. "If we were at a different point in the year we may have to be thinking and doing something different. But at the moment, I think we're in a situation we're going to let this investigation play out and then go from there."

Hammer67
03-18-2010, 03:50 PM
Hammer, good to see you back on the board. I agree with your posts, but you gotta admitt that immature guys at 26, can turn the corner by 28....so there is a difference IMO.

But, normally a near death motorcycle accident and a Nevada sexual assault charge would help out the maturity curve. I dont know if anything short of sharing a cell with Plaxico Burress for a while is gonna help him out??


I think everyone agrees that he is a big dummy. That is understood. :chuckle:

steeldawg
03-18-2010, 04:13 PM
28...right. Semantics that don't change the point.

first allegation supposedly took place in his hotel room a very nice resort, he wasnt partying.

JEFF4i
03-18-2010, 04:36 PM
28...right. Semantics that don't change the point.

Misunderstanding of what semantics are makes this post funny.

Also, misunderstanding of the nature and consequences of both of these cases makes your feeling that he is "putting himself in these positions" naive and foolish.

BleedBlacknGold0
03-18-2010, 06:46 PM
What I'm wondering is this.....

All the articles I read on this issue say that the accuser was 20 and in a bar.

I haven't been able to find out if the club allowed younger people in, but maybe she was there illegally.

I dated a girl when I was 19, she was 18 at the time who cheated on me at a party I had. She locked me out of the bedroom and slept with 2 guys in one night. She even admitted it to me the next morning.

To make a long story short I dumped her and 2 days later I got called in the local PD for questioning.

She told the police they had raped her. I got grilled in there for 2 hours. When it was done I called her and she said she was doing it to get me to date her again.

Needless to say sometimes young girls do stupid immature things just like Ben does. Possibly her boyfriend caught her in the act with Ben, who knows? Maybe he was just touching her leg, etc.

Maybe she's making him look like a bad guy when she is.

Who knows?

JEFF4i
03-18-2010, 08:01 PM
Supposedly in Georgia you can go into a bar under 21 but can't order alcohol, which sounds like a really stupid policy.