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mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 08:09 AM
(Mods move this if you like but it has a lot of information in it and if I post it in the other thread it will get lost. - mesa)

Roethlisberger recalled as in control on night of alleged assault
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_670499.html#
By Carl Prine
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, March 7, 2010

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- In this historic college town, the locals are dubbing the Thursday visit of star Steelers' quarterback Ben Roethlisberger as the night "The Devil Went Down to Georgia."

Wearing a black T-shirt reading "Devil" and surrounded by an entourage of up to 10 beefy male friends at times, Roethlisberger stormed the city of about 20,000 south of Atlanta with a bar-hopping spree that began at The Velvet Elvis about 10 p.m. and ended in the VIP room of Capital City when he closed down the popular bar.

About 2:33 a.m. Friday, a 20-year-old student at Georgia College & State University approached a police officer and told him that she had been sexually assaulted. Police said they are investigating Roethlisberger as the perpetrator. No charges had been filed as of Friday, and police said it was likely they wouldn't have anything new to say until Monday. Representatives of the police and university couldn't be reached for comment Saturday.

Interviews with a dozen students, bartenders and waitresses who saw women draped over him as he mugged for photos reveal a town that doesn't like the taint of scandal -- but remains divided over whether he did it.

Bartenders and students first put him at The Velvet Elvis restaurant and tavern about 10 p.m. They say his party ranged from eight to 10 men, mostly large black men they thought were offensive linemen. He tipped at 100 percent of their very large combined bill.

They say he drank little, maybe a Corona beer or two, and noshed on food, signed autographs and posed for camera phone photos.

"He kind of acted like a show-off, but he's a professional athlete, you know? He never looked drunk, never looked out of control. He shook hands and kissed babies, you know?" said Kyle Pilgrim, 22, a senior in accounting from Gwinnett County, north of Milledgeville.

On the busiest party night for the town that is home to two colleges -- Georgia College & State University is one; the other is Georgia Military Academy -- Roethlisberger crossed Han**** Street near the Old Baldwin County Courthouse about 11 p.m. to drink at The Brick, a bistro that turns in the later hours into a tavern. Students say that he nursed a beer, continued to cheerfully sign autographs and watched the large TV in the bar to catch plays from the University of Pittsburgh men's basketball tilt against Providence College.

Mark Eaton, 18, a freshman at Georgia College & State University, said he was sitting at the bar in The Brick with a girl when Roethlisberger entered with his entourage, including several bodyguards and a Steelers teammate.

He said Roethlisberger stood next to him at the bar and spoke to his friend, commenting that she had a really old cell phone and needed an upgrade.

"She said he looked like Crocodile Dundee, because his hair was all long in the back," Eaton said. "I don't know, I think that made him mad a little."

Roethlisberger stopped briefly in another bar, Buffington's, and then about 11:30 p.m. marched down South Wayne Street -- along with hundreds of students -- to Capital City. With its black decor, flashing lights and private VIP room, it's a second-floor dance bar so popular that co-eds just call it "the club."

Students said that Roethlisberger spent most of the evening in the VIP room with his group.

"I had already gone over there, and he came in with his group," said Pilgrim. "There were girls all over him all night. But he never presented himself as someone who would cause trouble. Looking at the way he behaved, you never would've thought about what they later said about him."

Employees of the hot spot told the Trib that they were under a gag order after being interviewed by the Georgia Bureau of Investigation -- their cruisers dart about the downtown -- and couldn't discuss what they saw Thursday night. But students who were there say that Roethlisberger closed down the joint at 2 a.m., when by law it had to shutter for the night.

The Milledgeville police report states that the alleged victim approached a police officer stating she had been "sexually assaulted or sexually manipulated by a white male in Capital City" sometime between 11 p.m. Thursday and 2:33 a.m. Friday. Roethlisberger was named "in connection with the incident," according to Milledgeville police.

The university's Web site says the school is offering counseling to students who request it. A university spokeswoman couldn't be reached for comment.

Steelers tackle Willie Colon was with Roethlisberger at times that night.

"Willie has no knowledge of any incident alleged or otherwise," said Joe Linta, Colon's agent.

The latest allegations come eight months after a Nevada casino worker filed a civil lawsuit against Roethlisberger, claiming he sexually assaulted her in July 2008 while playing in a celebrity golf tournament at Harrah's Lake Tahoe Hotel and Casino. Roethlisberger has denied the allegations. No criminal charges were filed, and the lawsuit remains unresolved.

Some Steelers fans at Pittsburgh's Station Square last night said they will stand by the star quarterback, but added that they wish he would be smarter -- and more discreet -- with his personal life.

"He's a target, I guess. It's a shame," said Dawn Cannon, 49, of McDonald, who said she thinks the charges are not true. "I just don't see it."

But even if the charges are a lie, Roethlisberger is partly to blame for the unwanted attention, said Rob Smith, 35, of Altoona.

"He's an idiot. He's making millions of dollars, this has happened before -- don't put yourself in that predicament again!" Smith said. "Whether it's true or not, I don't know. But you can't chance it. You've got to be smart."

Milledgeville was the capital of Georgia from 1803 to 1868. Milledgeville Councilman Stephen Carter said he didn't know before Friday that Roethlisberger owned a home at Reynolds Plantation, an upscale, gated community on Lake Oconee, about 30 miles from Milledgeville.

"He seems to have a propensity toward wildness," he said. "This sort of episode is not the best way to put us on the map."

Carl Prine can be reached at cprine@tribweb.com or 412-320-7826.

mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 08:13 AM
Roethlisberger guilty of poor judgment
Sunday, March 07, 2010
By Ron Cook, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
John Amis/Associated Press
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10066/1040950-87.stm

Katie Keller erases a sign Saturday promoting a Roethlis-burger lunch special at Buffington's, one of the bars Ben Roethlisberger went to Thursday in Milledgeville, Ga.

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That latest sexual-assault allegation against Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger?

I have great faith in our legal system. It will determine if Roethlisberger should be charged -- let alone found guilty -- as the result of an alleged incident early Friday morning with a 20-year-old college student at a dance club in Milledgeville, Ga. Until the case is resolved, I'm presuming Roethlisberger's innocence. All of us are presumed innocent until proven guilty, right?

This is a great country, America.

But I don't have to wait for the legal proceedings to fully take their course for me to pronounce Roethlisberger guilty of poor judgment.

What was he doing at a club -- a college bar, by all accounts -- at 2 a.m.?

The man turned 28 Tuesday.

Please, spare me the e-mails that Roethlisberger is an adult, entitled to spend his time away from football as he wishes. I won't disagree. But I will argue that any public figure, if he is smart, freely gives up some of that right because he knows how much he has to lose if he ends up in the wrong place at the wrong time. There is only trouble out there at 2 a.m. That is especially true for someone with Roethlisberger's high-profile status.

I don't know what happened at the Capital City club in Milledgeville and won't even begin to speculate one way or the other. Investigators will determine what took place and decide if charges against Roethlisberger are warranted. But I do know that any big-time celebrity can't be too careful in public even if he is accompanied by friends, as Roethlisberger was Thursday night into Friday morning, according to Milledgeville police. There's always the chance of running into a guy who, perhaps bolstered by alcohol, is willing to challenge his toughness. There's also the chance of meeting a woman who is looking to capitalize financially on his fame.

Sadly, not everyone in this world has honorable intentions.

Other high-profile NFL quarterbacks seem to get that. When is the last time you heard of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Brett Favre or Drew Brees making the kind of headlines that Roethlisberger did Friday? The other sports stars in town also get it. When have the Penguins' Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin or Marc-Andre Fleury been linked to any kind of controversy? Or the Pirates' Andrew McCutchen, for that matter?

It's time Roethlisberger gets it, as well. It's time he grows up. He's no kid anymore. He needs to realize he's not just representing himself in public settings but also his family, the Steelers and his teammates.

I said it about kicker Jeff Reed last fall after he was involved in two alcohol-related incidents that resulted in police charges and I'll say it now about Roethlisberger, who has been accused of sexual assault for the second time in eight months: He has brought shame and embarrassment on the Steelers. We're talking about an organization that, in Roethlisberger's case, has invested $102 million in him and made him the face of the franchise. It's not hard to imagine the disappointment and anger that team president Art Rooney II and coach Mike Tomlin must have felt when they heard about Roethlisberger's situation Friday. It's also not hard to imagine that anger turning to fury if Roethlisberger is charged and then perhaps suspended by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for conduct unbecoming of a pro football player. Goodell doesn't have to wait for a player's guilt or innocence to be determined to take such action.

But forget about what this incident could do to the Steelers. That seems irrelevant compared with what it means to Roethlisberger. Even if he isn't charged, he still loses. His reputation has taken another big hit. There will be damage even if he is cleared of all wrongdoing.

It was in July, right before the Steelers reported to training camp in Latrobe, that Roethlisberger first was accused of a sexual assault. A Nevada woman made the claim in a civil lawsuit, saying he raped her in July 2008 at a Lake Tahoe resort where he was appearing in a celebrity golf tournament. The woman worked as a hostess at the Nevada resort and said she didn't go to police after the alleged incident because she was "afraid of the consequences."

Roethlisberger showed up at the Steelers' South Side headquarters three days after the woman's allegation made national news and vehemently denied it, using words such as "false," "vicious," "outrageous" and "reckless."

The suit still has not been resolved.

"I would never, ever, force myself on a woman," Roethlisberger said that July day on the South Side.

Now, the man's word is being challenged again. This time, the woman immediately went to the police, then was treated at a local hospital.

The investigation continues.

No matter how that turns out, a lot of people won't ever look at Roethlisberger the same way again.

• Big Ben case puts spotlight on Georgia college town. Story, A-1.

Ron Cook: rcook@post-gazette.com. Ron Cook can be heard on the "Vinnie and Cook" show weekdays from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. on 93.7 The Fan. More articles by this author
First published on March 7, 2010 at 12:00 am

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mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 08:14 AM
Big Ben case puts spotlight on Georgia college town
Sunday, March 07, 2010
By Dan Majors, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
John Amis/Associated Press
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10066/1040958-66.stm

Young women walk past the Capital City, the dance club where Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student.

MILLEDGEVILLE, Ga. -- Thursday nights tend to be party nights around the tiny campus of Georgia College & Southern University. Few of the 6,000 students have Friday classes, and many of them go back to their parents' homes for the weekends.

Even though the legal age for drinking is 21, underage students also head for the half-dozen bars and clubs located within two blocks of the campus to listen to music and socialize. The establishments have bouncers who check identifications at the door, and wristbands are placed on those 21 and older so the bartenders know which customers can be served.

Capital City, the dance club where Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old GCSU student, is regarded by some students as one of the stricter enforcers.

No charges have been filed in the incident reported there, and Mr. Roethlisberger, 28, is cooperating with police, according to his agent. The incident marks the second time in nine months in which Mr. Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual assault.

"There's really only one nightclub, and that's Capital City," said GCSU sophomore Alex Gonglach, 19. "They have loud, hiphop music and flashing lights."

"We've been to them before because we're a part of Greek life and we have socials there," said Brenda Bryan, 20, who was walking on campus Saturday with fellow sophomore Meg Partin, 19. "Capital is more like a club. The others are more like bars."

Some of the other Milledgeville bars -- Amici Italian Café, The Brick and The Velvet Elvis -- were among the establishments Mr. Roethlisberger and some friends visited Thursday night before finishing the evening at Capital City. Mr. Gonglach and three of his friends heard that the star NFL quarterback was hanging out in this town about 85 miles southeast of Atlanta, and they decided to try to catch up with him.

"I didn't believe it, so we figured we'd go down and try to see him," said sophomore Tyler Opraseuth, 19. "We were looking for him, but we never saw him."

But other students did find Mr. Roethlisberger, and they spent the evening crowding around him for photographs, autographs or just to shake his hand. Frank Pendergast, owner of The Brick, said Mr. Roethlisberger spent about two hours in his establishment and that the quarterback was friendly and polite.

Later, sometime between 2 and 2:30 a.m. Friday, a Milledgeville police officer on duty in the downtown area was told of the alleged sexual assault inside Capital City. Police said the alleged victim approached the officer, prompting investigators to interview her, Mr. Roethlisberger and everyone in their parties.

Caitlin Omen, 21, a junior, said she was at Capital City with five friends while Mr. Roethlisberger was there.

"But I didn't see anything," she said. "I had no idea who Ben Roethlisberger was. I've heard of the Pittsburgh Steelers, but I'm not a football fan. And I really had no interest in seeing him. No offense to him.

"There was a definite buzz about him. People were taking pictures with him and getting autographs. There was a big group around him."

Ms. Omen said she was at the club until 2 a.m., but never noticed a commotion or the coming and going of police. She didn't hear about the alleged incident until later Friday.

"A friend who doesn't go here called me and told me," she said. "So the word spread pretty quickly."

The story went from gossip to front-page national news when Milledgeville police Deputy Chief Richard Malone held a news conference Friday evening to confirm that there had been a report of a sexual assault and that Mr. Roethlisberger, who owns a home in the area, was the alleged "perpetrator."

Mr. Roethlisberger, who was questioned by police early Friday morning, was not held or arrested. He also has been accused of raping a Nevada resort hostess in his hotel room during a July 2008 golf tournament in Lake Tahoe.

In that case, however, the woman who accused him did not go to authorities. Instead, she sued Mr. Roethlisberger in July in the absence of any police report or physical evidence.

Mr. Roethlisberger and his legal team have emphatically denied the accusations in the Nevada case, but have not come out as strongly in the Georgia incident. The quarterback himself has not commented on the accusation, but his agent, Ryan Tollner, issued a statement Friday saying that Mr. Roethlisberger and his friends met a group of women and "mingled thoroughout the evening."

In the statement, Mr. Tollner said Mr. Roethlisberger had spoken with police and that the incident "appeared to be dismissed after a preliminary investigation [Friday] night." Mr. Tollner and Mr. Roethlisberger's attorneys could not be reached Saturday.

Deputy Chief Malone, however, indicated the case is active and that additional evidence is being collected. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation is assisting the Milledgeville police, who on Saturday said they did not expect to release additional details about the case until at least Monday.

The prosecutor who will oversee the case declined to answer questions and would not elaborate or provide a timetable for the investigation.

"I've been made aware of the allegations but the investigation is not complete yet. We are waiting for the investigation to be completed," said Fred Bright, the head prosecutor for the eight-county Ocmulgee Judicial Circuit.

"We will do the right thing. Let us do the right thing," Mr. Bright said. "It is premature to say anything more."

Steelers spokesman Burt Lauten and President Art Rooney II also declined comment Saturday.

The alleged victim was treated and released at the Oconee Regional Medical Center in Milledgeville. On Saturday, people who know her said she is recovering and did not want to comment. Two friends who were with her at Capital City could not be reached.

Ms. Bryant and Ms. Partin said they did not know any of the women involved in the incident, but they said many students on campus were talking about it.

"Facebook has been buzzing about it," Ms. Bryant said.

"The thing is, Georgia College is not a party school," Ms. Partin said. "It's just college, it's normal. You're going to have people who like to go out and party. But it isn't any more than any other school."

Saturday was Springfest 2010 on the campus of GCSU, a day when incoming freshmen and their parents are welcomed to the small college. Orientation includes meetings with faculty members and advisers, selection of courses, tours, and presentations on housing and financial aid. Canopies provide shade for administrators sitting at folding tables while they discuss the liberal arts university's promise with visiting families.

All around this collegiate setting are red brick Colonial-style buildings -- administrative offices, classrooms and dormitories -- with towering white columns framing the entrances. Other campus buildings, such as the library, the auditorium and the student union, were built later.The incident involving Mr. Roethlisberger did not come up during Springfest, said one administrator who did not wish to be identified.

On the Front Campus lawn, students celebrated the day in typical small-college fashion, chasing Frisbees, napping under trees and listening to music.

Still, the talk of the allegations and Milledgeville's appearance in the national news was unnerving to some.

"I'm sort of in disbelief," said Ms. Partin. "I don't want to see Georgia College or Milledgeville [get] a bad rep, because we're a great school and this is a great town. Something like this is out of the ordinary. I wouldn't want anybody to think these things happen all the time here."

"I think it will blow over," said Ms. Omen. "This isn't what Milledgeville is going to be known for. Bad things can happen anywhere. [Mr. Roethlisberger] is an outsider coming in. But that doesn't make me more nervous about living in Milledgeville. We're all students here, and it's safe."

Mr. Gonglach was more cynical.

"It's the biggest thing in this town right now," he said while walking a block away from a massive ESPN truck parked outside Capital City. "Nothing ever happens here."

He and his friends said they could see themselves, years from now, speaking of where they went to college to someone who would be unlikely to know the school.

"And then I'd say, 'Remember that thing with Ben Roethlisberger?'" Mr. Gonglach said. "And they'll go, 'Oh, yeah!' "
Dan Majors: dmajors@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1456.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10066/1040958-66.stm#ixzz0hV4MEuoX

stillers4me
03-07-2010, 08:20 AM
Ben is either not the man he appears to be and has real serious issues, or he has the worst luck in the world.

43Hitman
03-07-2010, 08:56 AM
I won't be surprised if Goodell does something this time. You just can't be involved in this sort of crap, much less twice in a year and not experience some sort of punishment from the league. Not to mention how embarrassing it is to the Steelers and the fans. Like stillers4me said, the dude either has some serious issues or incredibly bad luck. I am starting to lean towards the side that has nothing to do with luck.

mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 09:00 AM
What bothers me about this one is that the incident in Neveda was obviously planned by that old wh*re. Assuming that this Georgia chick is someone that Ben met along the way then this chick decided on the spur of the moment to try to extort money from Ben. It's possible but most young college students wouldn't try that. After all if if comes to a trial then she is going to get dragged through the mud and most women wouldn't risk it. Then again young people make stupid decisions so it is possible she is lying. However unlike the Nevada sl*t, this chick did go straight to the police that night and then to a hospital so we will have to see how it plays out.

mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 09:04 AM
I won't be surprised if Goodell does something this time. You just can't be involved in this sort of crap, much less twice in a year and not experience some sort of punishment from the league. Not to mention how embarrassing it is to the Steelers and the fans. Like stillers4me said, the dude either has some serious issues or incredibly bad luck. I am starting to lean towards the side that has nothing to do with luck.

I agree Goodell will have to do something and like you I am beginning to have doubts. Dixon may be starting the first game next season. I am embarrassed as well. I'm not even wearing my Steelers stuff at the moment since I don't want to deal with this issue.

supa_fly_steeler
03-07-2010, 09:14 AM
I won't be surprised if Goodell does something this time. You just can't be involved in this sort of crap, much less twice in a year and not experience some sort of punishment from the league. Not to mention how embarrassing it is to the Steelers and the fans. Like stillers4me said, the dude either has some serious issues or incredibly bad luck. I am starting to lean towards the side that has nothing to do with luck.

Why would Goodell ban Roethlisberger he isn't been convicted yet. I don't see the reason why he can't party all night, people like Chris Johnson and Mark Sims Walkers ect ect on Twitter say they partying late up night. Ben's just been accused because he is a target. They sleep with him so they can get some street credit then make it global by saying he raped her.

GBMelBlount
03-07-2010, 09:15 AM
mesaSteeler

I agree Goodell will have to do something and like you I beginning to have doubts.

Unless it becomes fairly obvious that Ben is guilty what measures could Goodell take at the moment that would be justified?

HometownGal
03-07-2010, 09:17 AM
I'll leave this thread stand, mesa, but if you come across any other articles on this topic, I would appreciate you posting 'em in this thread instead of starting a new one, as we don't want the Steelers forum cluttered up with redundancy ala Arians. :wink: I really appreciate all of the informative articles you have posted since becoming a member here. :drink:

I dunno. While I still think that Ben needs to grow up a bit and utilize his two eyed head a little better, I still smell :bs: as far as this poor innocent little college girl saga goes. I guess all we can do at this point is speculate until the entire truth comes to light.

Prok
03-07-2010, 09:32 AM
I'll leave this thread stand, mesa, but if you come across any other articles on this topic, I would appreciate you posting 'em in this thread instead of starting a new one, as we don't want the Steelers forum cluttered up with redundancy ala Arians. :wink: I really appreciate all of the informative articles you have posted since becoming a member here. :drink:

I dunno. While I still think that Ben needs to grow up a bit and utilize his two eyed head a little better, I still smell :bs: as far as this poor innocent little college girl saga goes. I guess all we can do at this point is speculate until the entire truth comes to light.

Ever wonder what it would be like if Joe Namath played in today's NFL ??

:coffee:

GBMelBlount
03-07-2010, 09:37 AM
Ever wonder what it would be like if Joe Namath played in today's NFL ??

:coffee:

He'd get creamed.

SteelerFanInStl
03-07-2010, 09:38 AM
The Milledgeville police report states that the alleged victim approached a police officer stating she had been "sexually assaulted or sexually manipulated by a white male in Capital City" sometime between 11 p.m. Thursday and 2:33 a.m. Friday. Roethlisberger was named "in connection with the incident," according to Milledgeville police.

Sexually manipulated? It sounds to me like she did something with Ben voluntarily and then later regretted it and went running to the Police.

SteelerFanInStl
03-07-2010, 09:39 AM
Unless it becomes fairly obvious that Ben is guilty what measures could Goodell take at the moment that would be justified?

Agreed. Ben hasn't been convicted of anything so Goodell can't do anything to him.

Prok
03-07-2010, 09:42 AM
I think most of us believe something did happen between those 2 the other night. And when the DNA results get in i'm pretty sure it'll paint Ben in negative light. Next question becomes was it consensual... JMO

theplatypus
03-07-2010, 09:43 AM
Agreed. Ben hasn't been convicted of anything so Goodell can't do anything to him.

If he's charged he will be suspended for "conduct unbecoming the NFL", think Chris Henry and Pacman Jones.

mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 09:45 AM
I'll leave this thread stand, mesa, but if you come across any other articles on this topic, I would appreciate you posting 'em in this thread instead of starting a new one, as we don't want the Steelers forum cluttered up with redundancy ala Arians. :wink: I really appreciate all of the informative articles you have posted since becoming a member here. :drink:

I dunno. While I still think that Ben needs to grow up a bit and utilize his two eyed head a little better, I still smell :bs: as far as this poor innocent little college girl saga goes. I guess all we can do at this point is speculate until the entire truth comes to light.

I'll be happy to. I do try to be sensitive to the number of threads per topic.

SteelerFanInStl
03-07-2010, 09:47 AM
If he's charged he will be suspended for "conduct unbecoming the NFL", think Chris Henry and Pacman Jones.

You can't suspend a player for being charged, especially since this would be the first time charges were brought against Ben. Henry and Pacman were both repeat offenders.

mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 09:48 AM
I think most of us believe something did happen between those 2 the other night. And when the DNA results get in i'm pretty sure it'll paint Ben in negative light. Next question becomes was it consensual... JMO

Even if it was consensual it shows incredibly stupid judgment on the part of Big Ben. Sex in public is a crime and at the very least it's indecent exposure.

Prok
03-07-2010, 09:53 AM
Even if it was consensual it shows incredibly stupid judgment on the part of Big Ben. Sex in public is a crime and at the very least it's indecent exposure.

I agree and i'm starting to think that this will be best case scenario for Ben. Not trying to paint him as guilty but i'm pretty damn sure DNA results will NOT help his case.

Sharkissle29
03-07-2010, 09:55 AM
So are you guys implying that he should stay in at night and never go out?

He is a human being, yet its "poor judgement" to go out for a drink. What is the man suppose to do?

fansince'76
03-07-2010, 10:01 AM
So are you guys implying that he should stay in at night and never go out?

He is a human being, yet its "poor judgement" to go out for a drink. What is the man suppose to do?

Apparently, spend his offseasons locked away in a monastery somewhere.

mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 10:02 AM
So are you guys implying that he should stay in at night and never go out?

He is a human being, yet its "poor judgement" to go out for a drink. What is the man suppose to do?

No I'm saying he should have more sense than to try to have sex in a bar or even just cop a feel if that's what happened. He can go out if he likes but he's a target with a big cross hair on his back at ALL times. He can't leave himself vulnerable to this crap. It's bad for him and its bad for the team. Also at his age maybe he should start thinking of a stable relationship. He's not 18 anymore.

theplatypus
03-07-2010, 10:11 AM
You can't suspend a player for being charged, especially since this would be the first time charges were brought against Ben. Henry and Pacman were both repeat offenders.

The NFL is a business first and foremost, if they deem his conduct detrimental to their business they certainly can suspend him.

supa_fly_steeler
03-07-2010, 10:11 AM
So are you guys implying that he should stay in at night and never go out?

He is a human being, yet its "poor judgement" to go out for a drink. What is the man suppose to do?

He can do my washing up at nights :chuckle:

plenewken
03-07-2010, 10:28 AM
So are you guys implying that he should stay in at night and never go out?

He is a human being, yet its "poor judgement" to go out for a drink. What is the man suppose to do?

Take Jeff Reed with him maybe?

M.C. Smith
03-07-2010, 10:37 AM
So are you guys implying that he should stay in at night and never go out?

He is a human being, yet its "poor judgement" to go out for a drink. What is the man suppose to do?

Yeah, the guy is allowed to have a life outside of football. People just need to get off his back and stop the bashings, until we know what really happened.

Merchant
03-07-2010, 10:45 AM
Wow @ some of you morons.. lol. Goodell should do something about what? NOTHING HAPPENED. It's just another hood rat trying to get Ben's money or get her 15 minutes of fame by being "the girl who ben assaulted". The guy had an entourage with him, in a CLUB where there are tons of witnesses and alibis.

And he didn't "put himself" in any bad situation. It was the guys BIRTHDAY.. you celebrate on your birthday.. and he had people with him at all times.

geez..

theplatypus
03-07-2010, 11:01 AM
Wow @ some of you morons.. lol. Goodell should do something about what? NOTHING HAPPENED. It's just another hood rat trying to get Ben's money or get her 15 minutes of fame by being "the girl who ben assaulted". The guy had an entourage with him, in a CLUB where there are tons of witnesses and alibis.

And he didn't "put himself" in any bad situation. It was the guys BIRTHDAY.. you celebrate on your birthday.. and he had people with him at all times.

geez..

Wow! Now a 20 year old college student is a hood rat. Even if she grew up in the ghetto at least she's going to school as opposed to sitting at home squeezing out puppies and collecting welfare checks. Maybe it's just me, but that's a far cry from a hood rat.

Prok
03-07-2010, 11:03 AM
Wow @ some of you morons.. lol. Goodell should do something about what? NOTHING HAPPENED. It's just another hood rat trying to get Ben's money or get her 15 minutes of fame by being "the girl who ben assaulted". The guy had an entourage with him, in a CLUB where there are tons of witnesses and alibis.

And he didn't "put himself" in any bad situation. It was the guys BIRTHDAY.. you celebrate on your birthday.. and he had people with him at all times.

geez..

I fully support him going out with buddies to celebrate his birthday. And i'm fully on the side that Ben is innocent until proven guilty.

But i highly doubt this girl went to authorities and subjected herself to being treated and swabbed at a hospital without knowing something happened between her and Ben.

I believe there's a good chance that she is trying to extort Ben. But i also believe that as the results get in that it will prove that she ultimately used Ben AGAINST Ben.

I have no problem what so ever with Ben having an active personal life. My problem is that THIS type of incident has happened to him a SECOND time. Huge red flag IMO.

Pi Kapp Steeler
03-07-2010, 11:14 AM
Unfortunatly he cant have a big personal life because hes under the microscope 24/7. No one should tell him how to live his life but the guy should slow down on the clubs its just not worth it. Have an enormous house party where you make the guest list Ben, cant trust this chicken heads

madtowndrunkard
03-07-2010, 11:23 AM
Unfortunatly he cant have a big personal life because hes under the microscope 24/7. No one should tell him how to live his life but the guy should slow down on the clubs its just not worth it. Have an enormous house party where you make the guest list Ben, cant trust this chicken heads


Yea, like Tiger Woods didn't have a personal life. Cause he wasn't watched like a hawk either.

Shoes
03-07-2010, 11:27 AM
Take Jeff Reed with him maybe?

Exactly my thoughts.......go from bar to bar and hang out with the paper towel dispenser :chuckle:

theplatypus
03-07-2010, 11:28 AM
I was watching tv this morning and they were talking about the case. One of the things they said was that at the club where the incident allegedly occured Ben and his party were in the VIP area w/ his bodyguard at the door. Supposedly the bodyguard would only let women inside the VIP, additionally the bathroom where the alleged assault occurred was inside the vip area and not accessible to those outside.

madtowndrunkard
03-07-2010, 11:29 AM
I fully support him going out with buddies to celebrate his birthday. And i'm fully on the side that Ben is innocent until proven guilty.

But i highly doubt this girl went to authorities and subjected herself to being treated and swabbed at a hospital without knowing something happened between her and Ben.

I believe there's a good chance that she is trying to extort Ben. But i also believe that as the results get in that it will prove that she ultimately used Ben AGAINST Ben.

I have no problem what so ever with Ben having an active personal life. My problem is that THIS type of incident has happened to him a SECOND time. Huge red flag IMO.

Lets assume extortion or set up took place.

Here is what had to happen. Random girl in a club having a good time w/ friends. Guess who walks into the club....Big Ben...the famous steeler QB. She sees him and with in minutes decides I'm going to screw that guy and run to the police. Then I can sue and get rich.. I'm not saying that couldn't happen, but the kind of person who would do that would be the kind of person that would have a history. You don't just wake up one day and turn into a psycho. There would be plenty of evidence through out this girls life supporting this kind of behavior. If she is in fact a wack job there will be plenty of people who will testify against her.

How many 20 year old college girls are capable of what some are suggesting? Not many I'm sure. To me this does not look good for Ben at all. I suspect charges will be coming. Unless this girl is nuts Ben will have to plea bargain his way out of this mess which also means a lengthy suspension is also on the way.

I just hope no charges come of this. I they do, we better start looking for a good back up QB.

mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 11:30 AM
Mehno: Ben never learns
http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/march/07/mehno-ben-never-learns.html
By: John Mehno
Beaver County Times

Sunday March 7, 2010 12:19 AM

Let’s get something important on the record in the first paragraph: This country operates on the belief of innocent until proven guilty.

Allegations are just that.

But for the second time in less than a year, Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is in the headlines for the wrong reason.

He’s being accused of sexual assault again.

The first incident happened in Nevada and came to light in a civil suit. His accuser never filed a police report.

Roethlisberger vehemently denied the allegation, and the case continues to drag through the courts.

News broke on Friday that a 20-year-old woman in Georgia had gone to police and filed sexual assault charges against Roethlisberger. The accusation is based on an encounter late Thursday night in a bar popular with college students.

Police are investigating.

It could be that Roethlisberger is completely innocent and that his name has been dragged through the mud by people trying to take advantage of his celebrity status and wealth.

It could be that Roethlisberger has a problem and that he’s gotten carried away with the sense of entitlement that afflicts some celebrities, especially those whose fame and fortune arrive before maturity does.

The justice system will sort out all of that.

One of the many disturbing elements in the latest case is it would seem Roethlisberger didn’t learn anything from the first one.
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Even if his first accuser’s claims turn out to be false, he should know how easy it is for a well-known person to find himself in an unsavory situation.

You’d hope he would profit from that experience and make some changes in his life.

Have enough sense to stay away from people, places and circumstances that can lead to trouble.

At absolute minimum, these allegations are a profound embarrassment to the employer who has made a $102 million commitment to Roethlisberger.

At worst, they have the potential to end his career.

The Steelers need to sit down with Roethlisberger and his advisors, and have a long talk about their expectations for him away from the field.

They hired a quarterback, not a defendant.

mesaSteeler
03-07-2010, 11:37 AM
Big Ben Is Officially Brain Dead
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2010/03/07/big-ben-is-officially-brain-dead/
3/07/2010 1:30 AM ET By Terence Moore

Ben RoethlisbergerExcuse me for mixing sports metaphors, but for Ben Roethlisberger -- who quickly has evolved into the dumbest quarterback ever to win multiple Super Bowls -- it's three strikes, and you're out.

Yeah, you heard right.

He's definitely dumb, and he most certainly is out.

That's dumb, as in how could Roethlisberger possibly put himself in a position to face another allegation of sexual assault within two years? And that's out, as in, this guy no longer should get the benefit of the doubt regarding anything else that could make his growing list of offseason woes.

If you're running the Pittsburgh Steelers, you need to do a couple of things, and you need to do them fast. First, even with the judicial system still trying to determine fact from fiction in Roethlisberger's latest mess, you need to pull the guy aside, tell him to enter a closet at Heinz Field and order him not to leave until further notice. Second, you need to start looking for another quarterback -- you know, just in case, or in an attempt to scare Roethlisberger back into reality.

This is lunacy. I'm talking about what Roethlisberger keeps doing, and how the combination of the Steelers, the sporting public and much of the national media keeps dealing with it as just a star player with a frat-boy mentality.

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You had that motorcycle silliness four years ago when Roethlisberger ignored his coach's orders by, not only riding the thing, but doing so without a helmet. He broke and bruised several body parts after crashing just shy of death. You also had that woman filing a civil lawsuit in July after she claimed Roethlisberger raped her two years ago at a Lake Tahoe casino and hotel. He refutes the allegations, and no criminal charges were filed, but neither party denies that something happened.

Whatever happened, this much is true: Roethlisberger got lucky, because he got another chance, and he blew it. I mean, there is no way he should be within three punts and a couple of bombs of whatever happened during the early hours of last Friday in The Middle Of Nowhere, Georgia -- otherwise known as Milledgeville, a city of mostly nothing but trouble.

While Milledgeville is the proud home of Georgia College and State University, everything else is bad. The unemployment rate is ridiculous at 14.2 percent, about five points higher than the national average. And for years, it was known as a place that housed some of Georgia's worst criminals in its state pen.

Now you can add this Roethlisberger situation to the city's list of infamy, and the reason begins and ends with ... Roethlisberger.

Yes, these are only allegations.

And, yes, no criminal charges have been filed.

But, no, Roethlisberger isn't innocent until proven guilty in this case, because he is at least guilty of stupidity before the first judge's gavel.

Roethlisberger isn't innocent until proven guilty in this case, because he is at least guilty of stupidity before the first judge's gavel. Here's what we do know about Roethlisberger's latest controversy, and it shows he won't be designing space shuttles any time soon: He left his home in Lake Oconee, Ga., and he eventually met two or three of his friends 30 miles away in Milledgeville. It was sort of a birthday celebration for the recently-turned 28-year-old Roethlisberger, and they went to a sports bar in the city to watch a basketball game. Then they ate dinner -- and then, as often is the case for young men in these situations, they searched for women.

Either that, or the women found them.

No problem there. Well, unless your name is Benjamin Todd Roethlisberger, and you already have a bull's-eye to cover your rather large back.

In addition to those legal issues and that motorcycle accident, Roethlisberger also has been a target for football-related things. Just last season, he suffered a concussion in a game against the Kansas City Chiefs, but he practiced all week before announcing that Saturday that he couldn't play the next day against the Baltimore Ravens. He was ripped by teammate Hines Ward, and that wasn't the first time.

After the 2007 season, Roethlisberger caught the Wrath of Ward when the quarterback said he needed bigger receivers. Ward wasn't amused, and neither was Santonio Holmes, who joins Ward as a smaller receiver.

There also were all of those Roethlisberger-created questions about his ribs during the week before the Steelers' last Super Bowl victory in 2009. As a result, he slowly has become known as a drama king who nevertheless has a powerful arm.

It's just that he can't think as fast as he can throw.

For instance: No way Roethlisberger was using many brain cells when he decided to finish last Friday night by joining his pals at a Milledgeville nightclub with some of those women that they apparently had just met. Worse, they went into a VIP area, which always is a lawsuit waiting to happen.

For one, these VIP areas give celebrities even more of a sense of entitlement than they already have. For another, with security around to keep folks out, those celebrities are left inside with their guests to do mostly whatever they wish.

The thing is, even if those celebrities chose to spend their VIP time eating popcorn and watching the Disney Channel, they are setting themselves up for somebody in the room claiming more than that happened. Such is especially true if one of those celebrities is, say, an NFL quarterback with two Super Bowl rings. And he is in the midst of an eight-year contract worth $102 million. And he already could be on the hook for giving somebody big bucks for something that he said he didn't do.

And he just doesn't get it.

Prok
03-07-2010, 11:45 AM
Lets assume extortion or set up took place.

Here is what had to happen. Random girl in a club having a good time w/ friends. Guess who walks into the club....Big Ben...the famous steeler QB. She sees him and with in minutes decides I'm going to screw that guy and run to the police. Then I can sue and get rich.. I'm not saying that couldn't happen, but the kind of person who would do that would be the kind of person that would have a history. You don't just wake up one day and turn into a psycho. There would be plenty of evidence through out this girls life supporting this kind of behavior. If she is in fact a wack job there will be plenty of people who will testify against her.

How many 20 year old college girls are capable of what some are suggesting? Not many I'm sure. To me this does not look good for Ben at all. I suspect charges will be coming. Unless this girl is nuts Ben will have to plea bargain his way out of this mess which also means a lengthy suspension is also on the way.

I just hope no charges come of this. I they do, we better start looking for a good back up QB.

I don't think it's as cut and dried that we can stereotype her one way or the other based on her education and background. Nobody really knows IF/WHEN a person can just decide to cash in on an opportunity. Not labling her the type to do that is just as hypocritical as labling her the type to do that IMO.

However, i'm still fairly certain that she would not subject herself to that testing had she been simply crying wolf. Something had to have happened between the 2. And that is what is going to make or break this case IMO.

I'm just hoping and praying Ben is innocent at this point. But HUGELY disappointed he put himself in this situation again.

Heart4Steelers
03-07-2010, 11:52 AM
I found this interesting from "USA TODAY"

However, with his championships and $102 million contract have come several off-the-field problems. In 2006, he defied his coach's orders and rode his motorcycle without a helmet — and wound up with a concussion, broken jaw and other injuries after a wreck.

And while Roethlisberger has a reputation for patiently signing autographs and posing for pictures while out in public, he also is known for occasionally inelegant behavior in Pittsburgh. Early in his career, he was photographed — obviously after imbibing in alcohol — wearing a T-shirt reading "Drink Like a Champion." Restaurant owners in Pittsburgh have complained he has tried to skip out on bills, arguing he brought business to the establishment.

Fan Julie Muckle of Cranberry Township, Pa., said Roethlisberger was hanging out with the wrong people.

"I'm 24 and if I want to go out to a local bar, I know where I can find him. I feel like he needs to hide himself a little more and be with a better group," Muckle said.

The public largely supported him when he was accused of sexual assault in Nevada. But radio shows in Pittsburgh have been flooded with calls since Friday's allegation — few of them sympathetic, with many wondering if the new case indicates a troubling pattern of behavior.

"As a sports fan, sometimes we compartmentalize how we view players, and my view as Roethlisberger might decline as I learn more about the situation, but I will still respect him and like him as an athlete," said Matthew DiFiore, 20, of Moon Township, Pa. "Off the field, there may be questions coming into my mind about his character."

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/steelers/2010-03-05-roethlisberger-accusation_N.htm?csp=34

LVSteelersfan
03-07-2010, 01:00 PM
Come on people. The woman said she couldn't even identify it as being Ben in the early reports. This is absolutely ridiculous to try to call him guilty without some evidence to prove him guilty. Partying on your birthday is not a crime. Perhaps his judgement isn't always the best but he has not been convicted of anything at this point.

SteelerFanInStl
03-07-2010, 01:31 PM
The NFL is a business first and foremost, if they deem his conduct detrimental to their business they certainly can suspend him.

And how exactly is him being ACCUSED of wrongdoing detrimental to their business? Ben has never been found guilty of doing anything wrong. At this point he hasn't even ever had charges filed against him. I think that the NFLPA would have something to say about that if they tried.

theplatypus
03-07-2010, 01:41 PM
And how exactly is him being ACCUSED of wrongdoing detrimental to their business? Ben has never been found guilty of doing anything wrong. At this point he hasn't even ever had charges filed against him. I think that the NFLPA would have something to say about that if they tried.

You missed the first part of the conversation where I said if he is charged.

SteelerFanInStl
03-07-2010, 01:48 PM
You missed the first part of the conversation where I said if he is charged.

Even if he's charged, he hasn't been found guilty. The players rights are protected very well by the NFLPA and a player isn't going to get suspended the first time that they get charged with something. Suspensions are given to repeat offenders.

smokin3000gt
03-07-2010, 02:57 PM
Do we really think been is dumb enough to risk his house, lifestyle, reputation, character, or NFL contract? It's not like there is a shortage of girls he can have. The odds are against Ben when you figure how many dingy/crazy/get something for nothing bitches are out there.

HometownGal
03-07-2010, 06:05 PM
Even if it was consensual it shows incredibly stupid judgment on the part of Big Ben. Sex in public is a crime and at the very least it's indecent exposure.

Sexual misconduct does not necessarily mean "having sex" and the true definition depends on each state's statutes. I am familiar with the PA statutes on what constitutes "sexual misconduct" but am not familiar with Georgia law. It could range from a tata twister or a pat on the ass to deviate sexual intercourse.

As I stated earlier - we can all speculate or as some are doing - try and convict Ben without formal charges being levied against him, but we really know nada until all of the cold hard (no pun intended :chuckle:) facts are out there on the table.

HometownGal
03-07-2010, 06:14 PM
However, i'm still fairly certain that she would not subject herself to that testing had she been simply crying wolf. Something had to have happened between the 2. And that is what is going to make or break this case IMO.



Sure she would. If you have half a brain cell and you want to make your allegations look credible to the authorities, you're going to dot the i's and cross the t's, something that buck-toofed bimbo in Nevada didn't do. Though I still believe this chick to be another loon hoping to cash in at Ben's expense, she at least was using her thinking cap.

OneForTheToe
03-07-2010, 06:19 PM
Even if he's charged, he hasn't been found guilty. The players rights are protected very well by the NFLPA and a player isn't going to get suspended the first time that they get charged with something. Suspensions are given to repeat offenders.

Vick was suspended before he was convicted of a crime. Goodell most definately has the power to suspend a player without a conviction. Thereafter, the player can file an appeal that will be heard by ... get this .... Roger Goodell. I'm not saying he will suspend Ben, but he does have the power if he determines that Ben's actions are detrimental to the league, even absent any conviction. And since Ben doesn't play for the Patriots, it is a possibility, although clearly too early in this process to make an assumption either way. The NFLPA doesn't have 1/10th of the power of the Major League Baseball Players Union.

Stlrs4Life
03-07-2010, 06:19 PM
Ben is either not the man he appears to be and has real serious issues, or he has the worst luck in the world.


I think it's a little bit of both. I think he just needs to find a steady girlfriend.

Gnutella
03-07-2010, 06:28 PM
I think it's a little bit of both. I think he just needs to find a steady girlfriend.

Either that, or just find different ways to have fun.

tube517
03-08-2010, 02:23 AM
Whatever happened to Anna Kournikova...err oooops, I mean Natalie Gulbis?:wink02:

I think it's a little bit of both. I think he just needs to find a steady girlfriend.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 09:24 AM
About 2:33 a.m. Friday, a 20-year-old student at Georgia College & State University approached a police officer and told him that she had been sexually assaulted.
No one is saying anything about her being under aged and in a over 21 club. :mad:

kirklandrules
03-08-2010, 09:36 AM
No one is saying anything about her being under aged and in a over 21 club. :mad:

Because the club admits anyone 18 and over. If a patron is under 21 they are given a bracelet to wear that the bartenders recognize as someone they don't serve drinks to. But it will be interesting to see if this under 21 chicky was drinking.

kirklandrules
03-08-2010, 09:46 AM
It sounds as if this girl was following Ben and crew for a while. If she is one of the girls shown in the pics hanging all over him, that may help in his defense as some are saying those pics don't really show Ben providing the same attention back those girls (I've seen a few pics, but have no clue if the "victim" is any of them). And to some that think because she is a college student she wouldn't tell a lie, well that sure is a naive view of the world. If she had been drinking should could have told a wild tale to her friends. And if she went a little too far with her "story" her friends may have pushed her to go to the police or even spoke to a patrol officer outside the bar on her behalf. We really don't know, but there are plenty of scenarios that would push a lie too far (even to a hospital exam room). Once caught in a lie, when do you suddenly back out?

If Ben is innocent, then I'll feel very bad for this guy. How the hell does a decent guy, who happens to be a star, find a hot chick to date after something like this? The grocery store? Church? Online? Work? Gosh, freaks happen to be in all those places as well. His trust in women will have to be at an all time low. Maybe he could go back to his hometown and hit on the girl that lives next to his grandma.:noidea:

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 09:49 AM
Because the club admits anyone 18 and over. If a patron is under 21 they are given a bracelet to wear that the bartenders recognize as someone they don't serve drinks to. But it will be interesting to see if this under 21 chicky was drinking.
I guess that's how they do it down there, where I'm from if your not 21, your out and theres no question about it. If your at restaurant/bar and it gets to a certain time, they kick you out.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 09:53 AM
Maybe he could go back to his hometown and hit on the girl that lives next to his grandma.
unfortunely, i think his reputation may not land him a decent woman anytime soon.

kirklandrules
03-08-2010, 09:56 AM
I guess that's how they do it down there, where I'm from if your not 21, your out and theres no question about it. If your at restaurant/bar and it gets to a certain time, they kick you out.

I grew up in NY and there were dance clubs that you could get into under 21. And there were a few "dance clubs" here in Charlotte that you can do the same ... although I'm way over 21 at this point and Charlotte may have changed their laws since my drinking days.

Prok
03-08-2010, 09:57 AM
Sure she would. If you have half a brain cell and you want to make your allegations look credible to the authorities, you're going to dot the i's and cross the t's, something that buck-toofed bimbo in Nevada didn't do. Though I still believe this chick to be another loon hoping to cash in at Ben's expense, she at least was using her thinking cap.

I hope and pray your right HTG. But the more i read and think about it, the more i'm convinced something did happen between those 2 and she's got some sort of evidence.

kirklandrules
03-08-2010, 10:00 AM
unfortunely, i think his reputation may not land him a decent woman anytime soon.

Not having a decent opportunity to find true love is exactly why I didn't become a pro athlete ... oh and I guess being a no talent loser probably played a role in it as well :wink02:

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 10:04 AM
It sounds as if this girl was following Ben and crew for a while. If she is one of the girls shown in the pics hanging all over him, that may help in his defense as some are saying those pics don't really show Ben providing the same attention back those girls (I've seen a few pics, but have no clue if the "victim" is any of them). And to some that think because she is a college student she wouldn't tell a lie, well that sure is a naive view of the world. If she had been drinking should could have told a wild tale to her friends. And if she went a little too far with her "story" her friends may have pushed her to go to the police or even spoke to a patrol officer outside the bar on her behalf. We really don't know, but there are plenty of scenarios that would push a lie too far (even to a hospital exam room). Once caught in a lie, when do you suddenly back out?

If Ben is innocent, then I'll feel very bad for this guy. How the hell does a decent guy, who happens to be a star, find a hot chick to date after something like this? The grocery store? Church? Online? Work? Gosh, freaks happen to be in all those places as well. His trust in women will have to be at an all time low. Maybe he could go back to his hometown and hit on the girl that lives next to his grandma.:noidea:

I'm as big a steeler fan as anyone, but what you are suggesting is is a much bigger leap then to think Ben actually did something he should not have.

Sounds like the girl is a nice normal kid. Anyone who would try to pull off a hoax like this in order to make some $...and do it at the spur of the moment would have to be a total mental case and a very bad person.....it wouldn't' be too hard to find someone she knows willing to bash a person like this. All reports are she is a nice normal kid.

I hope there is nothing to this whole story other then an over sensitive young girl who got caught up in the moment. But the fact that she went to police immediately and then the hospital tells me that Ben is big trouble. This will likely turn into a he said / she said case since there were no witnesses in the room with them. So a lesser charge may be coming?? who knows. In any event Ben is a complete moron and if he did sexually assault this girl he should go to prison.

Making assumptions like the girl is trying to extort Ben is no different then making assumptions that Ben is 100% guilty of rape. She's the victim if a crime did take place. If it did not, then Ben is the victim. Either way he should not have been in this situation again. Where there is smoke there is fire.

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 10:07 AM
I guess that's how they do it down there, where I'm from if your not 21, your out and theres no question about it. If your at restaurant/bar and it gets to a certain time, they kick you out.


Yeah, it depends on state laws and how the club is run. The article in the Post Gazette touched on it this morning and said that Georgia state law allows for 18+ year olds to be in bars and clubs, but the establishment has to have some way to distinguish who is underage.

We did the same thing when my friends and I had a club in the strip, anybody not wearing a wristband (or certain colored wristband) could not be served when we had all ages shows.

kirklandrules
03-08-2010, 10:17 AM
I'm as big a steeler fan as anyone, but what you are suggesting is is a much bigger leap then to think Ben actually did something he should not have.

Sounds like the girl is a nice normal kid. Anyone who would try to pull off a hoax like this in order to make some $...and do it at the spur of the moment would have to be a total mental case and a very bad person.....it wouldn't' be too hard to find someone she knows willing to bash a person like this. All reports are she is a nice normal kid.

I hope there is nothing to this whole story other then an over sensitive young girl who got caught up in the moment. But the fact that she went to police immediately and then the hospital tells me that Ben is big trouble. This will likely turn into a he said / she said case since there were no witnesses in the room with them. So a lesser charge may be coming?? who knows. In any event Ben is a complete moron and if he did sexually assault this girl he should go to prison.

Making assumptions like the girl is trying to extort Ben is no different then making assumptions that Ben is 100% guilty of rape. She's the victim if a crime did take place. If it did not, then Ben is the victim. Either way he should not have been in this situation again. Where there is smoke there is fire.

I don't disagree with anything you said here ... except I never insinuated that she was trying to extort anything from Ben. I was just saying she may have had a few drinks and made up a story to her friends. This wouldn't be the first time someone that's "nice" and "normal" acted like a wacko in the presence of a star. She could have also been totally trashed by 2 a.m. ... not the first time a girl who has a crush on someone in a bar drinks too much for their own good. I really don't know what happened or did not happen. I was just demonstrating how even an innocent college girl could become a liar. I also find it a little hard to believe that he was able to do something like this with all his buddies and other bar patrons roaming around the joint ... especially since his teammates are there to keep an eye on him.

I also agree that if he truly went too far he should get tossed in the can. Hell, I grew up with 4 older sister and if anyone ever did something like that to them, the police would have to move pretty fast to get the guy before I did.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 10:29 AM
I don't disagree with anything you said here ... except I never insinuated that she was trying to extort anything from Ben. I was just saying she may have had a few drinks and made up a story to her friends. This wouldn't be the first time someone that's "nice" and "normal" acted like a wacko in the presence of a star. She could have also been totally trashed by 2 a.m. ... not the first time a girl who has a crush on someone in a bar drinks too much for their own good. I really don't know what happened or did not happen. I was just demonstrating how even an innocent college girl could become a liar. I also find it a little hard to believe that he was able to do something like this with all his buddies and other bar patrons roaming around the joint ... especially since his teammates are there to keep an eye on him.

I also agree that if he truly went too far he should get tossed in the can. Hell, I grew up with 4 older sister and if anyone ever did something like that to them, the police would have to move pretty fast to get the guy before I did.

Yea, I know how lies can grow....but once you get to the hospital and a nurse, doctor, or social worker starts examining you.....and detectives start interviewing you then I think the "lie" would be put to bed rather quickly. No matter what the embarrassment. Not many 20 year old girls are going to hold up to that sort of thing.

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 10:33 AM
Yea, I know how lies can grow....but once you get to the hospital and a nurse, doctor, or social worker starts examining you.....and detectives start interviewing you then I think the "lie" would be put to bed rather quickly. No matter what the embarrassment. Not many 20 year old girls are going to hold up to that sort of thing.

You'd be surprised. Just as an example, look at how far the Duke Lacrosse case went, as well as the Kobe case. As was mentioned before, I think in any case like this (whether it's rape or some kind of assault), it's part of the procedure to take the girl to the hospital. We'll see though, if something did happen, I do want him gone...but not even knowing what the charges are yet, I'm reserving judgement.

GodfatherofSoul
03-08-2010, 10:35 AM
What pisses me off the most about these stories is how everyone just *assumes* that it happened the way the girl said. We just had a story in the paper where a girl sent a bunch of guys to prison for about 5 years on a false gang rape accusation and admitted it. The last woman who claimed she was raped by BB is on the record bragging about her sexual encounter and hoping to get pregnant.

Have any of you ever been out at a bar and seen pro or college athletes? Women are *drapped* over these guys and they essentially have their pick for the night. Some of them don't like it when they get discarded after they've serviced their local player. Kobe, Ben, Michael Irvin, Jerome Bettis, it's ALWAYS THE SAME STORY! Chick either is aiming for a payday or feels like a **** when the guy says "OK I'm done get the **** out."

So, to all the idiots out there saying "well, this is the second time it happened," second time WHAT happened?

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 10:37 AM
What pisses me off the most about these stories is how everyone just *assumes* that it happened the way the girl said.

Thank you, and exactly. :applaudit:

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 10:41 AM
I'd like to know whether or not this girl was drunk.

Nadroj 20
03-08-2010, 10:44 AM
I'd like to know whether or not this girl was drunk.

My guess would be yes, but i havent heard that for sure and would also like to know

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 10:46 AM
a college student bar hopping not drunk is a rare thing. and if she was what is going to happen to the bars she was at and got the drinks.

plenewken
03-08-2010, 10:54 AM
a college student bar hopping not drunk is a rare thing. and if she was what is going to happen to the bars she was at and got the drinks.

Many underage college kids carry fake IDs.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 11:03 AM
What pisses me off the most about these stories is how everyone just *assumes* that it happened the way the girl said. We just had a story in the paper where a girl sent a bunch of guys to prison for about 5 years on a false gang rape accusation and admitted it. The last woman who claimed she was raped by BB is on the record bragging about her sexual encounter and hoping to get pregnant.

Have any of you ever been out at a bar and seen pro or college athletes? Women are *drapped* over these guys and they essentially have their pick for the night. Some of them don't like it when they get discarded after they've serviced their local player. Kobe, Ben, Michael Irvin, Jerome Bettis, it's ALWAYS THE SAME STORY! Chick either is aiming for a payday or feels like a **** when the guy says "OK I'm done get the **** out."

So, to all the idiots out there saying "well, this is the second time it happened," second time WHAT happened?

2nd time he put him self in a bad situation. A 28 year old should not be in a closed bathroom of a club with a 20 year old.....especially when you are a famous franchise QB. This allegation is VERY different from the last. This time the police were called immediately. Last time no police were involved.

It bothers me that so many are quick to blame the victim. For every rape victim that makes up the incedemt.... 1000's were actually raped. I'm not saying Ben assaulted anyone...we'll find out I'm' sure. But most assaults don't get reported. Why? Partly because so many are quick to point them finger at them.

Very very few of the actually assaults that are reported were fabricated and in most cases the truth does come out if it was made up. You mention the 1 in a million made up rape and then use that as a defense.....that 1 in a million case bothers you but the 1000's of rapes that do occur every year don't bother you???? that is disturbing logic.

How about the fact that if you are wealthy you likely will not get convicted? Why so often are the wealthy immune from the law? Doesn't that bother you? That bothers me a heck of a lot more then the rare made up rape case that gets the headlines.

OneForTheToe
03-08-2010, 11:04 AM
My guess would be yes, but i havent heard that for sure and would also like to know


That question could cut both ways depending on her got her the drinks. Hopefully, Ben is smarter than that.

Nadroj 20
03-08-2010, 11:06 AM
That question could cut both ways depending on her got her the drinks. Hopefully, Ben is smarter than that.

Thats true if ben bought a minor the drinks thats not good, but she was in the club and she isnt suppose to be at 20. If he did buy her drinks he probably just assumed she was of legal age or more then likely never thought about it at all.

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 11:06 AM
2nd time he put him self in a bad situation. A 28 year old should not be in a closed bathroom of a club with a 20 year old.....especially when you are a famous franchise QB. This allegation is VERY different from the last. This time the police were called immediately. Last time no police were involved.

It bothers me that so many are quick to blame the victim. For every rape victim that makes up the incedemt.... 1000's were actually raped. I'm not saying Ben assaulted anyone...we'll find out I'm' sure. But most assaults don't get reported. Why? Partly because so many are quick to point them finger at them.

Very very few of the actually assaults that are reported were fabricated and in most cases the truth does come out if it was made up. You mention the 1 in a million made up rape and then use that as a defense.....that 1 in a million case bothers you but the 1000's of rapes that do occur every year don't bother you???? that is disturbing logic.

How about the fact that if you are wealthy you likely will not get convicted? Why so often are the wealthy immune from the law? Doesn't that bother you? That bothers me a heck of a lot more then the rare made up rape case that gets the headlines.

well put.

Steel_Bus_24
03-08-2010, 11:09 AM
Thats true if ben bought a minor the drinks thats not good, but she was in the club and she isnt suppose to be at 20. If he did buy her drinks he probably just assumed she was of legal age or more then likely never thought about it at all.

the reports say that club allows 18 year olds + in but they have to wear a bracelet so that they can't buy alcohol

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 11:11 AM
Thats true if ben bought a minor the drinks thats not good, but she was in the club and she isnt suppose to be at 20. If he did buy her drinks he probably just assumed she was of legal age or more then likely never thought about it at all.

False.

The law in Georgia is "18 to party, 21 to drink." And for all we know, she could have had a fake ID, pretending to be 21. If that's the case, then she's in the wrong if Ben bought her any alcohol.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 11:14 AM
I'd like to know whether or not this girl was drunk.

why? Are you allowed to sexually assault someone if they are drunk?

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 11:20 AM
why? Are you allowed to sexually assault someone if they are drunk?
i dont think that is what they meant. i think they are thinking if she was drunk then she probably wasnt coherent in making a decision or she was drunk and made a bad decision.

OneForTheToe
03-08-2010, 11:50 AM
why? Are you allowed to sexually assault someone if they are drunk?


Of course not. However, if she was drinking it to her credibility as to her recollection of what actually happened. This would be especially true Ben admits sexual contact and it becomes an issue of consent. In addition, if she was drinking underage, and Ben had nothing to do with her obtaining the alcohol, Ben's attorney will use that against her when she takes the stand. I'm not saying an underage girl, who drinks, can't be sexually assaulted, but it is ammunition for a defendants attorney.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 12:57 PM
Of course not. However, if she was drinking it to her credibility as to her recollection of what actually happened. This would be especially true Ben admits sexual contact and it becomes an issue of consent. In addition, if she was drinking underage, and Ben had nothing to do with her obtaining the alcohol, Ben's attorney will use that against her when she takes the stand. I'm not saying an underage girl, who drinks, can't be sexually assaulted, but it is ammunition for a defendants attorney.

I'd argue that if a relatively sober 28 year old male sexually assaulted a 20 year old intoxicated woman he as much a piece of garbage as if she were sober. I suppose a defense lawyer would argue your memory isn't good while intoxicated....but thats just a sleazy lawyer trying to win his case w/ zero consideration for what is right and wrong.

I don't think her sobriety should have much to do with it. Unless she was so trashed she doesn't remember anything....which we already know to not be the case.....as she quickly went to police and the hospital. she was clearly upset. That would tell me she was sober enough to know she had just been raped. or at least thinks she was.

Now whether or not she is making this whole thing up is something different and once the facts come out we'll know. My common sense tells me that 20 year old college girls don't just go to bars and at the spur of the moment decide they are going to make headlines and extort a famous QB. My common sense says that Ben is a in a whole world of @#$^, and that he better hope there is no physical evidence of a rape occurring. I would expect most jurors to be sympathetic to nice, white, educated 20 year old girls. Not so much w/ 28 year old white males who happen to be fighting a sexual assault civil case. Not to mention there does not seem to be a shortage of people who think Ben is a jerk.

This whole thing sucks....and I'm IRATE that Ben has once again put our team in jeopardy due to his poor decision making. With Ben we are a SB contender....with out Ben we are not. None of that matters though if hes a rapist. If he did this he should be locked up for decades.

Expect this to be dragged out....which means he'll be out of jail when the season starts. Which means Ben will be our QB to start the season.....and until a verdict is reached. Anyone expect the same out rage Vick got for killing dogs? This is an f-ed up world.

vrabinec
03-08-2010, 12:59 PM
What pisses me off the most about these stories is how everyone just *assumes* that it happened the way the girl said.

I didn't assume it happened just like the girl said....the FIRST time this happened. Now I have to give her story more credence.

Nadroj 20
03-08-2010, 01:01 PM
False.

The law in Georgia is "18 to party, 21 to drink." And for all we know, she could have had a fake ID, pretending to be 21. If that's the case, then she's in the wrong if Ben bought her any alcohol.

I was kinda saying that in a way even though i didnt know that law. If Ben bought her drinks it was because of something illegal that she did whether it be using a fake ID or whatever

GodfatherofSoul
03-08-2010, 01:07 PM
2nd time he put him self in a bad situation. A 28 year old should not be in a closed bathroom of a club with a 20 year old.....especially when you are a famous franchise QB. This allegation is VERY different from the last. This time the police were called immediately. Last time no police were involved.

It bothers me that so many are quick to blame the victim. For every rape victim that makes up the incedemt.... 1000's were actually raped. I'm not saying Ben assaulted anyone...we'll find out I'm' sure. But most assaults don't get reported. Why? Partly because so many are quick to point them finger at them.

Very very few of the actually assaults that are reported were fabricated and in most cases the truth does come out if it was made up. You mention the 1 in a million made up rape and then use that as a defense.....that 1 in a million case bothers you but the 1000's of rapes that do occur every year don't bother you???? that is disturbing logic.

How about the fact that if you are wealthy you likely will not get convicted? Why so often are the wealthy immune from the law? Doesn't that bother you? That bothers me a heck of a lot more then the rare made up rape case that gets the headlines.

I blame the "victim" because I know how many women lie about rape. False rape claims aren't rare, they're one of the most (if not the most) falsely reported crimes.

So, I'm sorry but I know people who've been falsely accused. I look at the situation. Rapes aren't sex where they girl thinks to herself "maybe I shouldn't be doing this" or "he took advantage of me in a moment of mental weakness." Rapes are violent crimes. I'll bet you $1000 this chick has no injuries or marks on her. The only think hurt is her pride after getting pumped and dumped.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 01:12 PM
I didn't assume it happened just like the girl said....the FIRST time this happened. Now I have to give her story more credence.


So if your daughter is raped you expect that everyone should assume the story the rapist gave is more credible?

I think you have to treat the victim with the ought most sensitivity and respect. They should be treated as victims. Until the evidence is given. Then if the victim is found to have made up the whole thing...they should be then punished as criminals...and severely. If the victim was honest then the rapist should be locked up for life.

The purp. should be treated as innocent till proven guilty...but if there is enough evidence to warrant an arrest they should be immediately locked up and given a trial date.

Once society starts convicting the victim prior to a trial we've got real problems. This girl should be treated with respect by everyone - steeler fans included. If Ben is found innocent then great. That girl should then be charged w/ crimes against Ben. If Ben is found innocent or beats the rap because he's rich...then I hope this girls father or brother makes Ben disappear. I have ZERO tolerance for rape or any other violent crime. I just wish more shared my opinion.

Sell a pound of cocaine and the penalty is often more severe then rape charges. How can that be?

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 01:16 PM
I blame the "victim" because I know how many women lie about rape. False rape claims aren't rare, they're one of the most (if not the most) falsely reported crimes.

So, I'm sorry but I know people who've been falsely accused. I look at the situation. Rapes aren't sex where they girl thinks to herself "maybe I shouldn't be doing this" or "he took advantage of me in a moment of mental weakness." Rapes are violent crimes. I'll bet you $1000 this chick has no injuries or marks on her. The only think hurt is her pride after getting pumped and dumped.


You are full of @#$^....and a disgusting human being. In fact false accusations of rape are rare.... they are no more common then false accusations of any other crime. Check your facts before you make such stupid assumptions.

I am not saying Ben is guilty, but I am also not going to say this girl is lying. You blame the victim? I bet you'd be saying that if the victim was your daughter or your mother.

SteelersinCA
03-08-2010, 01:18 PM
So if your daughter is raped you expect that everyone should assume the story the rapist gave is more credible?

I think you have to treat the victim with the ought most sensitivity and respect. They should be treated as victims. Until the evidence is given. Then if the victim is found to have made up the whole thing...they should be then punished as criminals...and severely. If the victim was honest then the rapist should be locked up for life.

The purp. should be treated as innocent till proven guilty...but if there is enough evidence to warrant an arrest they should be immediately locked up and given a trial date.

Once society starts convicting the victim prior to a trial we've got real problems. This girl should be treated with respect by everyone - steeler fans included. If Ben is found innocent then great. That girl should then be charged w/ crimes against Ben. If Ben is found innocent or beats the rap because he's rich...then I hope this girls father or brother makes Ben disappear. I have ZERO tolerance for rape or any other violent crime. I just wish more shared my opinion.

Sell a pound of cocaine and the penalty is often more severe then rape charges. How can that be?


Only if the pound of cocaine is a federal charge. That just has to do with mandatory minimum sentencing in Federal court vs. state court. Rape is a state charge.

SteelCityMom
03-08-2010, 01:21 PM
So if your daughter is raped you expect that everyone should assume the story the rapist gave is more credible?

I think you have to treat the victim with the ought most sensitivity and respect. They should be treated as victims. Until the evidence is given. Then if the victim is found to have made up the whole thing...they should be then punished as criminals...and severely. If the victim was honest then the rapist should be locked up for life.

The purp. should be treated as innocent till proven guilty...but if there is enough evidence to warrant an arrest they should be immediately locked up and given a trial date.

Once society starts convicting the victim prior to a trial we've got real problems. This girl should be treated with respect by everyone - steeler fans included. If Ben is found innocent then great. That girl should then be charged w/ crimes against Ben. If Ben is found innocent or beats the rap because he's rich...then I hope this girls father or brother makes Ben disappear. I have ZERO tolerance for rape or any other violent crime. I just wish more shared my opinion.

Sell a pound of cocaine and the penalty is often more severe then rape charges. How can that be?

Geez man, quit throwing around the rape thing. NOBODY knows what the charges are yet. We'll find out at 4pm (if there even are any charges). There's a big difference between rape and getting grabbed at...and if she was just grabbed at, then she's taking advantage of who he is. I've gone to college, and been in (and worked in) enough bars to know that sometimes alcohol and the opposite sex leads to some grabbing...and I also know that it rarely, RARELY leads to cops being involved.

At this point Days of our Lives has less speculation and drama with no facts.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 01:23 PM
Yeah well, there's one thing I have to say about all of this, the bungles still suck.

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 01:34 PM
Just heard that the evidence may include surveillance video in the club. Manager has videos throughout club

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 01:37 PM
12 to be exact. Hopefully they help Ben, but none of the cameras are in the area where she was allegedly attacked. By the way, Heart4Steelers, nice picture.

Heart4Steelers
03-08-2010, 01:39 PM
12 to be exact. Hopefully they help Ben, but none of the cameras are in the area where she was allegedly attacked. By the way, Heart4Steelers, nice picture.


Thanks. Looks even better on the desktop

Prok
03-08-2010, 01:44 PM
My next concern would be whether one of those cameras caught Ben on tape going near the bathroom area after the girl did, or with the girl.

kirklandrules
03-08-2010, 01:54 PM
Just heard that the evidence may include surveillance video in the club. Manager has videos throughout club

I heard they didn't have cameras in the back because only employees go back there.

Madtown ... you seem pretty worked up over this. You have to excuse people who believe there are women out there who will act in poor fashion around famous men. I don't think anyone on this post would blame the victim, but at this point we aren't really sure who the victim is: the girl or Ben. We've seen the acts of loony women before with Ben and are just questioning if we've seen another such act ... not that she is trying to extort anything from him, but claiming sex assault for some other crazy reason. If you think normal people can't suddenly act screwy around someone famous, just watch old videos of the Beattles ... women throwing their undies at them or feinting ... I'm sure every one of those women weren't loony, they just acted crazy around a superstar. And, for all we know, she might be claiming he gave her a nurple or something of the sort ... doesn't mean she was raped. The cops might be analyzing finger size to determine if Ben caused the nurple.

I have no idea if he did it or not. But reading how he had multiple teammates there (who went with him so he doesn't end up in this position) and that the bouncers have claimed he really wasn't drinking much and didn't seem to be giving much attention to the ladies, it just doesn't seem to add up that he suddenly sprints in the ladies room and gets himself a pound of flesh ... especially in a crowded club (we all know in crowded clubs that there are plenty of women walking in and out of those bathrooms).

GodfatherofSoul
03-08-2010, 02:28 PM
You are full of @#$^....and a disgusting human being. In fact false accusations of rape are rare.... they are no more common then false accusations of any other crime. Check your facts before you make such stupid assumptions.

I am not saying Ben is guilty, but I am also not going to say this girl is lying. You blame the victim? I bet you'd be saying that if the victim was your daughter or your mother.

OK, I'm so full of it, how many stories have you heard of pro athletes jailed for sexual assaults?

Now, how many have we found out the woman was lying?

I don't know that this girl is lying, but my hunch is she is because it fits the pattern of all of these other cases. I'm not saying sweep her case under a rug, but I'm not going to act like some people and start badmouthing BB. Innocent until proven guilty means you don't assume BB is a rapist first, ask questions later.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 02:39 PM
I heard they didn't have cameras in the back because only employees go back there.

Madtown ... you seem pretty worked up over this. You have to excuse people who believe there are women out there who will act in poor fashion around famous men. I don't think anyone on this post would blame the victim, but at this point we aren't really sure who the victim is: the girl or Ben. We've seen the acts of loony women before with Ben and are just questioning if we've seen another such act ... not that she is trying to extort anything from him, but claiming sex assault for some other crazy reason. If you think normal people can't suddenly act screwy around someone famous, just watch old videos of the Beattles ... women throwing their undies at them or feinting ... I'm sure every one of those women weren't loony, they just acted crazy around a superstar. And, for all we know, she might be claiming he gave her a nurple or something of the sort ... doesn't mean she was raped. The cops might be analyzing finger size to determine if Ben caused the nurple.

I have no idea if he did it or not. But reading how he had multiple teammates there (who went with him so he doesn't end up in this position) and that the bouncers have claimed he really wasn't drinking much and didn't seem to be giving much attention to the ladies, it just doesn't seem to add up that he suddenly sprints in the ladies room and gets himself a pound of flesh ... especially in a crowded club (we all know in crowded clubs that there are plenty of women walking in and out of those bathrooms).

What really bothers me is so many people saying the alleged victim is at fault. Thats f-ed up.

The other issue that bothers me is the fact that Ben has currently fighting a civil case for sexual assault.

Yea I agree 100% innocent till proven guilty. But that goes both ways. You should not assume the victim is guilty.

Common sense tells you that Ben is in a heap of trouble. You don't hire the lawyers Ben hired over a boob grab. Nor to you go to the hospital if your feelings were hurt. You go to the hospital for a rape test or to treat injuries. The police would not charge Ben if the rape test was not conclusive or if witnesses didn't come forward. It is common place that the police will not even charge an accused rapist if there is no evidence to support it ever happened. No point in making such a charge if there is no possibility of conviction.

By all accounts this alleged victim is a nice normal person. I'm very pissed off that Ben put the steelers in this position. But I'm also disturbed by much of the reaction from steelers fans on this site.

How about we wait for some facts before we decide the accuser is a lying **** or if Ben is a rapist? Just know that you don't go to the hospital for a sexual assault unless something big supposedly happened. Police Dept's and DA's gather facts and make sure their case is solid before they charge anyone of Ben's caliber w/ a crime as serious as sexual assault. Ben's new team of lawyers are a little too big time for a boob grab.

stlrtruck
03-08-2010, 02:42 PM
The kid needs to start using his head about where he is hanging out and with whom.

Ben needs to lead by example and he's obviously put himself in some bad situations (true or not). The boy needs to get back to his roots of who he is and where he is from.

Right now the only thing Ben is guilty of is bad judgment. Until anything else comes of this story...I'll hold any more comments.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-08-2010, 02:46 PM
How about we wait for some facts before we decide the accuser is a lying **** or if Ben is a rapist? Just know that you don't go to the hospital for a sexual assault unless something big supposedly happened. Police Dept's and DA's gather facts and make sure their case is solid before they charge anyone of Ben's caliber w/ a crime as serious as sexual assault. Ben's new team of lawyers are a little too big time for a boob grab.

Maybe I missed something....which post are you referring to in which someone said she was a lying **** or that Ben is a rapist?

I have yet to see a post in which either of those statements were made? Did I miss it?

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 02:48 PM
OK, I'm so full of it, how many stories have you heard of pro athletes jailed for sexual assaults?

Now, how many have we found out the woman was lying?

I don't know that this girl is lying, but my hunch is she is because it fits the pattern of all of these other cases. I'm not saying sweep her case under a rug, but I'm not going to act like some people and start badmouthing BB. Innocent until proven guilty means you don't assume BB is a rapist first, ask questions later.

How many have we found out were lying? How many? I don't know the number but I can think of one off the top of my head. How many actually took place and were never reported?

I can think of several that were dropped and settled out of court because convicting a wealthy person of any crime is very difficult in the USA.

Charley Batch was also involved in a sexual assault once. The victim in that case was essentially knocked out w/ drugs and raped. The victim was a poor **** so nothing came out of it. I don't know all the details but I do know one of the people Batch was with when that went down. $ buys justice. Two other guys took the fall from what I understand. So its' also not uncommon for wealthy athletes to be immune from the law.

madtowndrunkard
03-08-2010, 02:52 PM
Maybe I missed something....which post are you referring to in which someone said she was a lying **** or that Ben is a rapist?

I have yet to see a post in which either of those statements were made? Did I miss it?

Those exact words were not used, it was said in other words. Read the 2-3 threads going on this topic. One person actually did say it was the victim's fault. Several are saying shes just after his $.

Gnutella
03-08-2010, 02:55 PM
There have been plenty of "nice" and "normal" girls who live duplicitous lives. They can get straight-A's in class and volunteer for charitable causes during the week, and then get gang-banged in a drunken stupor on the weekends -- willingly. They may even go to church on Sundays.

Furthermore, "normal" is a very subjective term. Her friends might think that getting shit-faced and passed around the frat house is "normal" behavior, for all we know. It seems to happen pretty regularly in college towns these days. And I'm not necessarily accusing her of any of this either, but if it's possible for Roethlisberger to be Mr. Duplicity, then it's equally possible for the alleged victim to be Miss Duplicity.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 03:23 PM
Well hopefully, he's learned once again from this type of incident and hopefully he won't go through this again. This is a shame and I'm starting to get tired of hearing it already and I honestly believe it won't turn into anything, but that's IMO. If I was him and I was found innocent, I'd take her to court so fast it wouldn't even be funny.

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 03:27 PM
If I was him and I was found innocent, I'd take her to court so fast it wouldn't even be funny
he could be found innocent b/c there isnt enough evidence for a trial, but be guilty. so why would he want to try and sue if this were the case.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 03:31 PM
he could be found innocent b/c there isnt enough evidence for a trial, but be guilty. so why would he want to try and sue if this were the case.
You do make a valid point, but here's how I would take care of it. If I was Ben and I knew that I was innocent and the assault never took place, after the investigation and everything, I'd fight to show my innocence and to show I'm not a bad guy. Or knowing myself, I'd probably walk away, never talk to her again and never go back to that community.

Sharkissle29
03-08-2010, 03:32 PM
he could be found innocent b/c there isnt enough evidence for a trial, but be guilty. so why would he want to try and sue if this were the case.

send a message that if anyone tries to accuse him again, that they better think twice bc their pocket might get smaller bc of it.

obviously, it wouldnt be about the money for ben but the message sent would be far more worth it

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 03:35 PM
You do make a valid point, but here's how I would take care of it. If I was Ben and I knew that I was innocent and the assault never took place, after the investigation and everything, I'd fight to show my innocence and to show I'm not a bad guy. Or knowing myself, I'd probably walk away, never talk to her again and never go back to that community.

if i knew i was innocent and absolutely nothing happen then yes, i might sue.

send a message that if anyone tries to accuse him again, that they better think twice bc their pocket might get smaller bc of it.

obviously, it wouldnt be about the money for ben but the message sent would be far more worth it
that is only if he is innocent.

imo, i am finding it hard to defend him again. the first time, yeah i could defend him saying it was someone wanting money. this one isnt sitting well with me, its just a gut feeling.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 03:38 PM
obviously, it wouldnt be about the money for ben but the message sent would be far more worth it
Yes, same here. Of course, not trying to attack you TackleMeBen. :smile:

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 03:44 PM
Yes, same here. Of course, not trying to attack you TackleMeBen. :smile:
i didnt take it that way. so dont worry about it.

but the behavior shown by ben is becoming very disturbing. what happen his last g/f?

and why hasnt any of the girls he dated before not come forward to say yeah he is a pig or no he isnt?

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 03:55 PM
but the behavior shown by ben is becoming very disturbing. what happen his last g/f?

and why hasnt any of the girls he dated before not come forward to say yeah he is a pig or no he isnt?
Maybe they don't want to get involved. :noidea:

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 03:57 PM
Maybe they don't want to get involved. :noidea:
i think they may get involved whether they want too or not.

steelerdude15
03-08-2010, 04:04 PM
i think they may get involved whether they want too or not.
Yeah, good point. :nervous:

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-08-2010, 04:37 PM
what happened to PFJ???

GodfatherofSoul
03-08-2010, 05:46 PM
You do make a valid point, but here's how I would take care of it. If I was Ben and I knew that I was innocent and the assault never took place, after the investigation and everything, I'd fight to show my innocence and to show I'm not a bad guy. Or knowing myself, I'd probably walk away, never talk to her again and never go back to that community.

That's easy to say, but look at the Kobe case. Do you go to trial in a county where everyone is convinced you're guilty before the trial or do you give the girl $50K and sign an ambiguous press release to get the cops to drop chargers? When jail time is seriously on the line, I don't think you'd be so faithful in a jury of your peers. There are a lot of guys rotting in prison in high profile cases because everyone "knew he did it" before the trial even began.

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 05:56 PM
That's easy to say, but look at the Kobe case. Do you go to trial in a county where everyone is convinced you're guilty before the trial or do you give the girl $50K and sign an ambiguous press release to get the cops to drop chargers? When jail time is seriously on the line, I don't think you'd be so faithful in a jury of your peers. There are a lot of guys rotting in prison in high profile cases because everyone "knew he did it" before the trial even began.

Actually, the criminal charges were dismissed in the Kobe case because when push came to shove, the accuser refused to testify in the criminal trial. Evidently it was because of all the "threats" she received from Kobe's fans, but IMO it had more to do with the fact that the cops found another guy's "goods" in her panties besides Kobe's along with various holes in her version of events you could drive a Mack truck through. Yeah, that wasn't a big money grab. :rolleyes:

TackleMeBen
03-08-2010, 06:50 PM
Actually, the criminal charges were dismissed in the Kobe case because when push came to shove, the accuser refused to testify in the criminal trial. Evidently it was because of all the "threats" she received from Kobe's fans, but IMO it had more to do with the fact that the cops found another guy's "goods" in her panties besides Kobe's along with various holes in her version of events you could drive a Mack truck through. Yeah, that wasn't a big money grab. :rolleyes:
maybe we could be lucky and that be the case here too

GodfatherofSoul
03-08-2010, 10:53 PM
Actually, the criminal charges were dismissed in the Kobe case because when push came to shove, the accuser refused to testify in the criminal trial. Evidently it was because of all the "threats" she received from Kobe's fans, but IMO it had more to do with the fact that the cops found another guy's "goods" in her panties besides Kobe's along with various holes in her version of events you could drive a Mack truck through. Yeah, that wasn't a big money grab. :rolleyes:

BS, it was about the text messages that the phone company *finally* released showing her bragging to her friends about banging Kobe. And, it wasn't just one guys DNA in her panties; try 3. Rape victims don't go home and bang one of the "witnesses."

fansince'76
03-08-2010, 11:01 PM
BS, it was about the text messages that the phone company *finally* released showing her bragging to her friends about banging Kobe. And, it wasn't just one guys DNA in her panties; try 3. Rape victims don't go home and bang one of the "witnesses."

Whatever - I stopped paying attention to the particulars at a certain point of the case. I think we can both agree that that case was a crock of shit and a money grab. And believe me, I am far from being a Kobe fan. I've always thought the guy is an egotistical punk.

tony hipchest
03-09-2010, 12:12 AM
Whatever - I stopped paying attention to the particulars at a certain point of the case. I think we can both agree that that case was a crock of shit and a money grab. And believe me, I am far from being a Kobe fan. I've always thought the guy is an egotistical punk.bens career is done.

he is destined to have one of those silly muppets made in his image in one of those multi-million dollar nike ad campaigns.

woe is ben...


woe is ben.

(instead of labron, maybe they will have a silly tom brady muppet pushing around an illegitimate child in a stroller...

:idea: or better yet... a silly peyton manning muppet pushing around a silly eli manning puppet in a stroller... *CHA-CHING*! )