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UltimateBengal
03-10-2010, 09:27 PM
OK, I know it's still early. Free Agency is only a few days old and the draft is yet to happen. But, is it ever too early for prognosticating? Based on what each of the AFC North teams have done so far, and what you think they will address in the draft, which team has the early edge on the North title and who will the main competition be between?

Here's how I see it....

I think it will come down to the Steelers and Bengals. The Steelers will not struggle for a second straight season(as long as Ben stays on the field). They should be able to bolster the secondary and the O-line in the draft. And think bringing Randle El back will pay dividends. The Bengals have a deep threat now to go with Ocho and the tandem of Benson and Scott should be productive again. I think the defense under Zimmer will remain solid as well.

The Ravens could go either way IMO. The defense has been regressing for a couple of years. The secondary needs a lot of work. Reed and Lewis looked old last year. I think Boldin only makes a difference if Rice has a big year, and Flacco doesn't have to throw 35 times a game. Then he becomes a dangerous weapon.

The Browns are still building, but they did play hard for Mangini down the stretch. But they will struggle to win 6 games.

Ravnet
03-10-2010, 09:41 PM
The Steelers will not struggle for a second straight season(as long as Ben stays on the field).

Big if?

The Ravens could go either way IMO. The defense has been regressing for a couple of years.

If 3rd overall in 2009, and 2nd overall in 2008 is a regression, then I'm not too worried.

The secondary needs a lot of work. Reed and Lewis looked old last year.

The secondary, believe it or not, shouldn't be that bad if, and that's another big if, the standout rookie Lardarius Webb returns healthy, as Foxworth really turned things on after the bye last year.

As for Reed and Lewis, Ray was first overall in the entire AFC in tackles, and Reed is still golden as long as he stays on the field.

The major concerns for the Ravens right now are the pass rush, and actual linebackers to surround Ray, although the latter shouldn't be too hard to find.

I will say that in 2/3 years we'll face major challenges with Reed/Lewis retiring, though, so unless we retool right now, the defense will definitely fall off in a few years.

mikegrimey
03-10-2010, 09:41 PM
It's to early for me to guess anything, I can't wait for the next season.

I think it'll be another close one between steelers, bengals, and ravens---i'd be suprised if the Browns won 3 games in the division, and that's what it'll probably come down to, who can go 5-1 or 6-0 in the division. I think the Bengals will need a better down the stretch preformance by Palmer if they want to be a serious force, and the Ravens are going to show that they can pass consistently, along with the defense holding up. Same for steelers, except they're going to need a more dependable situational running attack and teh defense needs to secure leads.

Larry
03-10-2010, 10:34 PM
Pretty crappy analysis. The Ravens are serious contenders, a lot of pressure has been taken off of an already dangerous running game.

SteelerNation12
03-10-2010, 10:45 PM
Pretty crappy analysis. The Ravens are serious contenders, a lot of pressure has been taken off of an already dangerous running game.
Thats IF Bolden can stay healthy and has played like 2 full seasons in his entire career. History isn't on his side at all.

mikegrimey
03-10-2010, 11:14 PM
Pretty crappy analysis. The Ravens are serious contenders, a lot of pressure has been taken off of an already dangerous running game.

The Ravens won't be serious contenders unless they step up their passing attack. Lately they've been

So far no pressure has been taken off of anything because we aren't even 1 snap into 2010.

stlrtruck
03-11-2010, 07:36 AM
Steelers and ravens again will battle for the crown.

CantStop85
03-11-2010, 09:01 AM
The Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, and Browns will all be competing in the AFC North next season, I believe.

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 09:17 AM
Pretty crappy analysis. The Ravens are serious contenders, a lot of pressure has been taken off of an already dangerous running game.

And a pretty shit reply from a dumbass. UltimateBengals opinion no need to do a crappy analysis Boldin IMO is overrated, Leon Hall will shut him down and im guessing Ike Taylor will shut down Boldin as he does to Chad Johnson each game.

The Ravens fans always think the Ravens are contenders each year lol.

Your our bitches.

Nadroj 20
03-11-2010, 10:03 AM
It will come down to the Steelers and the Ravens....Ravens have improved their offense adding Boldin and Stallworth with Mason Flacco and Rice.

Steelers have added their own weapons on offense on top of the weapons they already had, and im willing to bet their D will play better then it did last year with troy and aaron back plus whoever we add via draft.

I would say Steelers, Ravens , Bengals and Browns in that order

steelpride12
03-11-2010, 10:12 AM
The Bengal fans says the Bengals will be contending, and the Ravens fans says the Ravens will be. Sound like a homer fest to me.

Ravnet
03-11-2010, 10:47 AM
The Ravens fans always think the Ravens are contenders each year lol.

Probably because they are?

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 11:24 AM
Probably because they are?

You guys always think you are going to win the super bowl when a far superior team lies in the division.

You guys must of hit a wall somewhere to forget the AFC runs through Pittsburgh each year.

Larry
03-11-2010, 12:59 PM
You guys always think you are going to win the super bowl when a far superior team lies in the division.

You guys must of hit a wall somewhere to forget the AFC runs through Pittsburgh each year.

Not last season...

Dino 6 Rings
03-11-2010, 01:02 PM
The Browns, Ravens and Bengals will all once again be trying to take the AFC North Title from the team that has won it more times the other 3 combined (or its a tie at this point) And that's including the Houston Oilers, Titans and Jaguars.

So it'll be the Steelers, then everyone else. Just as it is, Every Single Freaking Season.

Larry
03-11-2010, 01:02 PM
Once again, I'm a Steelers fan. I think the Steelers and Ravens will be the top contenders in the AFC north. Both fan bases expect them to be contenders, and they are usually right. I don't see why that's funny. We thought we were contenders this year to repeat, and we didn't even make the playoffs. Lol?

Larry
03-11-2010, 01:05 PM
The Browns, Ravens and Bengals will all once again be trying to take the AFC North Title from the team that has won it more times the other 3 combined (or its a tie at this point) And that's including the Houston Oilers, Titans and Jaguars.

So it'll be the Steelers, then everyone else. Just as it is, Every Single Freaking Season.

So you acknowledge that the Steelers don't always win the division, yet they are first every single freaking season? Sounds like you need a lesson in contradictions.

Man some of you have short memories lol, we JUST missed the playoffs and came in 3rd in the division.

Ravnet
03-11-2010, 01:09 PM
The Browns, Ravens and Bengals will all once again be trying to take the AFC North Title from the team that has won it more times the other 3 combined (or its a tie at this point) And that's including the Houston Oilers, Titans and Jaguars.

So it'll be the Steelers, then everyone else. Just as it is, Every Single Freaking Season.

Good for the Steelers, but Baltimore has made the playoffs just as many times as Pittsburgh over the past decade, and the Steelers have just two more playoff wins.

Neither the Ravens nor the Steelers are the Bengals; the division title for Pittsburgh and Baltimore isn't tantamount to a Super Bowl victory as it is in Cincinnati because both of the former franchises have done serious damage in the playoffs as wildcards.

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 01:14 PM
Not last season...

Yes it still did run through us because we were world champs.

It runs through us again because we have the most intimidating defense of the 70's,90's and 00's

Good for the Steelers, but Baltimore has made the playoffs just as many times as Pittsburgh over the past decade, and the Steelers have just two more playoff wins.

yea but when we go into opposition stadiums we dont get blown out

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steelerdave1969
03-11-2010, 02:36 PM
Probably because they are?

I respect the Ravens and all and they deserve that. And I know that you guys have did ok to better your WR's so far, but your Defense is getting old just like ours is. I think the Bengals could be the team of the future if they keep their defense improving like they have the last couple years. And I think the Browns are headed in the right direction with their new GM and head coach. They must get QB situation fixed there, cuz their running game looked really good the last half of last season. The Steelers are pretty much keeping their same team as they had for their (last) Super Bowl season.. when was the last time the Ravens were in the super bowl?... lol.. oops

As of right now I think this is the way the division will look in 2010
Bengals 0-0
Browns 0-0
Ravens 0-0
Steelers 0-0

steelerdave1969
03-11-2010, 02:41 PM
Good for the Steelers, but Baltimore has made the playoffs just as many times as Pittsburgh over the past decade, and the Steelers have just two more playoff wins.

Neither the Ravens nor the Steelers are the Bengals; the division title for Pittsburgh and Baltimore isn't tantamount to a Super Bowl victory as it is in Cincinnati because both of the former franchises have done serious damage in the playoffs as wildcards.

In all honesty.. The Ravens still havent won a super bowl with their own team. They won their super bowl with about 95% Browns players... so get real Raven fans..

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 03:08 PM
Good for the Steelers, but Baltimore has made the playoffs just as many times as Pittsburgh over the past decade, and the Steelers have just two more playoff wins.

Neither the Ravens nor the Steelers are the Bengals; the division title for Pittsburgh and Baltimore isn't tantamount to a Super Bowl victory as it is in Cincinnati because both of the former franchises have done serious damage in the playoffs as wildcards.

the ravens only won the super bowl because the giants and all the other nfc teams were crap.

It was awesome watching Jerome Bettis running over Ray Lewis and the Ravens yearly.

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 04:06 PM
i never knew terrell suggs was a rapist

Larry
03-11-2010, 04:25 PM
yea but when we go into opposition stadiums we dont get blown out


The Ravens have one of the best away playoff records, if not the best. Also, there hasn't been a blowout Ravens Steelers game in a while.

Larry
03-11-2010, 04:25 PM
the ravens only won the super bowl because the giants and all the other nfc teams were crap.

It was awesome watching Jerome Bettis running over Ray Lewis and the Ravens yearly.

The Giants were the favorite in the Super Bowl....lol. Hindsight is 20/20 dumbass, someone could say the same thing about some of our SB victories. Grow up.

Larry
03-11-2010, 04:28 PM
In all honesty.. The Ravens still havent won a super bowl with their own team. They won their super bowl with about 95% Browns players... so get real Raven fans..

That is so stupid and false it's not even funny. Ugh, so many jackasses on this board.

Dino 6 Rings
03-11-2010, 04:44 PM
So you acknowledge that the Steelers don't always win the division, yet they are first every single freaking season? Sounds like you need a lesson in contradictions.

Man some of you have short memories lol, we JUST missed the playoffs and came in 3rd in the division.

You need a lesson in History JACK

How many AFC Central/North Titles do the Steelers have? I believe it is currently 19, that equals the amount won by everyone else combined. Meaning, that basically, it is the Steelers title to LOSE each year and everyone else is trying to get it for the one season they can hold it. How often does someone other than the Steelers win it back to back? Want the facts ?

1970 Cincinnati Bengals 8-6-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1971 Cleveland Browns 9-5-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1972 Pittsburgh Steelers 11-3-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
1973 Cincinnati Bengals 10-4-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1974 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-3-1 Won Super Bowl IX
1975 Pittsburgh Steelers 12-2-0 Won Super Bowl X
1976 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-4-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
1977 Pittsburgh Steelers 9-5-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1978 Pittsburgh Steelers 14-2-0 Won Super Bowl XIII
1979 Pittsburgh Steelers 12-4-0 Won Super Bowl XIV
1980 Cleveland Browns 11-5-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1981 Cincinnati Bengals 12-4-0 Lost Super Bowl XVI
1982+ Cincinnati Bengals 7-2-0 Lost AFC First Round
1983 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1984 Pittsburgh Steelers 9-7-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
1985 Cleveland Browns 8-8-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1986 Cleveland Browns 12-4-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
1987 Cleveland Browns 10-5-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
1988 Cincinnati Bengals 12-4-0 Lost Super Bowl XXIII
1989 Cleveland Browns 9-6-1 Lost AFC Championship Game
1990 Cincinnati Bengals 9-7-0 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1991 Houston Oilers 11-5-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1992 Pittsburgh Steelers 11-5-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1993 Houston Oilers 12-4-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1994 Pittsburgh Steelers 12-4-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
1995 Pittsburgh Steelers 11-5-0 Lost Super Bowl XXX
1996 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1997 Pittsburgh Steelers 11-5-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
1998 Jacksonville Jaguars 11-5-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
1999 Jacksonville Jaguars 14-2-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
2000++ Tennessee Titans 13-3-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
2001 Pittsburgh Steelers 13-3-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
AFC North
2002 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-5-1 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
2003 Baltimore Ravens 10-6-0 Lost AFC Wild Card Playoffs
2004 Pittsburgh Steelers 15-1-0 Lost AFC Championship Game
2005++ Cincinnati Bengals 11-5-0 Lost AFC Wild Card Playoffs
2006 Baltimore Ravens 13-3-0 Lost AFC Divisional Playoffs
2007 Pittsburgh Steelers 10-6-0 Lost AFC Wild Card playoffs
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers 12-4-0 Won Super Bowl XLIII
2009 Cincinnati Bengals 10-6-0 Lost AFC Wild Card playoffs

So the last Team to hold the Title for more than 1 year, besides the Steelers was the Jaguars. So go smoke some more Moron Joints and get the EF out of my Division!

Oh my bad, its Steelers 19 total Titles, Bengals, Browns, Ravens, Oilers, Titans, Jaguars 21 combined.

steelax04
03-11-2010, 05:27 PM
Ugh, so many jackasses on this board.

Didn't you just say "grow up" in the post before this one?

Talk about contradictions...

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 05:47 PM
The Ravens have one of the best away playoff records, if not the best. Also, there hasn't been a blowout Ravens Steelers game in a while.

UMMMMMMMM 20007

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 05:50 PM
The Giants were the favorite in the Super Bowl....lol. Hindsight is 20/20 dumbass, someone could say the same thing about some of our SB victories. Grow up.

They didnt want to play a team full of murderers and rapists.

Lol Go smoke some joints whilst i get to see Clark and TImmons deliver knockout blows. http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/9843/hahav.gif

we own you bitches :sign06:

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supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 05:57 PM
Ben Roethlisberger 2007 vs Baltimore Ravens Week 9
13/16 209 yards 5 touchdowns

Joe Spacko 2008 Vs Pittsburgh Greatness Steelers Conference Championship
13/30 141 yards 3 interceptions

Crow-Magnon
03-11-2010, 06:07 PM
And a pretty shit reply from a dumbass. UltimateBengals opinion no need to do a crappy analysis Boldin IMO is overrated, Leon Hall will shut him down and im guessing Ike Taylor will shut down Boldin as he does to Chad Johnson each game.

The Ravens fans always think the Ravens are contenders each year lol.

Your our bitches.

I truly enjoy the spirited banter with knowledgeable Steelers fans on this site. I get a lot of different perspectives of the Ravens then I do on a Ravens forum. But you really offer nothing but drivel.

The Steelers came in #3 out of #4 teams in the AFCN last year and sank like a rock in the last part of the 2009 season, and your QB is in possible big legal trouble, but as far as your concerned, they were probably the best team in AFCN last year and have nothing to worry about in 2010.

I think you need to clean those homer glasses.

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 06:14 PM
I truly enjoy the spirited banter with knowledgeable Steelers fans on this site. I get a lot of different perspectives of the Ravens then I do on a Ravens forum. But you really offer nothing but drivel.

The Steelers came in #3 out of #4 teams in the AFCN last year and sank like a rock in the last part of the 2009 season, and your QB is in possible big legal trouble, but as far as your concerned, they were probably the best team in AFCN last year and have nothing to worry about in 2010.

I think you need to clean those homer glasses.

the division did run through us last year because we were defending champions lol

Crow-Magnon
03-11-2010, 06:19 PM
the division did run through us last year because we were defending champions lol

That's great. Keep thinking about 2008 when it's 2010.

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 06:20 PM
That's great. Keep thinking about 2008 when it's 2010.

pittsburgh steelers destroyers of teams will be back.

ray rice will call ryan clark the destroyer by the time we are finished with you

:D

btw crow-mangon i like you but i got no respect for larry.

Nadroj 20
03-11-2010, 06:23 PM
the division did run through us last year because we were defending champions lol

It may have started that way but sadly it didnt end up that way

Im sorry i cant bring myself to say the divison ran through us last year when we went 2-4 in the divison...

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 06:37 PM
It may have started that way but sadly it didnt end up that way

Im sorry i cant bring myself to say the divison ran through us last year when we went 2-4 in the divison...

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Psyychoward86
03-11-2010, 07:45 PM
supa, we love our beloved steelers, but dont be a dumbass homer either.

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 07:58 PM
supa, we love our beloved steelers, but dont be a dumbass homer either.

i will never admit those ratbirds are superior to us.

man i love this emoticon

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Nadroj 20
03-11-2010, 08:03 PM
Supa we arent saying they are superior but we arent blindlessly saying theres no way they can beat us...

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 08:06 PM
Supa we arent saying they are superior but we arent blindlessly saying theres no way they can beat us...

I will admit that to Crow discreetly but to Larry http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/110/6xsmile.gif

Nadroj 20
03-11-2010, 08:11 PM
Im sure Larry is crushed by that :rolleyes:

Larry
03-11-2010, 08:51 PM
Hahahaha, that lunatic finally got banned. What did he do?

UltimateBengal
03-11-2010, 09:02 PM
Hahahaha, that lunatic finally got banned. What did he do?

What happened to Supa?:noidea:

Nadroj 20
03-11-2010, 09:02 PM
Hahahaha, that lunatic finally got banned. What did he do?

I knew that day would come :chuckle:

Psyychoward86
03-11-2010, 09:56 PM
it took 3000 posts for that to happen?

Ravnet
03-11-2010, 10:02 PM
What happened to Supa?:noidea:

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Larry
03-11-2010, 10:06 PM
I wonder what pushed the mods over the edge, they tolerated his nonsense for a long time.

MasterOfPuppets
03-11-2010, 10:29 PM
OH NOOOO....they wacked suuuuupa....:crying03:

steelax04
03-11-2010, 10:30 PM
it took 3000 posts for that to happen?

But about 2000 of them were just his "Madden Journal" or whatever it's called in the Gamer Chat forum.

steelerdude15
03-11-2010, 10:41 PM
The Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, and Browns will all be competing in the AFC North next season, I believe.
:chuckle:

xXTheSteelKingsXx
03-12-2010, 12:15 AM
But about 2000 of them were just his "Madden Journal" or whatever it's called in the Gamer Chat forum.

No!!! Now how am I to know what the virtual Steelers are doing?

Ravnet
03-12-2010, 12:51 AM
No!!! Now how am I to know what the virtual Steelers are doing?

What the ****. . .

Between playing Madden and writing the journal, that guy must have devoted every moment of his life to virtual football.

Galax Steeler
03-12-2010, 04:10 AM
Weather we like it or not the Ravens are getting better and I have respect for that team cause they bring the best out of us each time we play. I am sure it will be a battle like always each time we play. Give credit where credit is due.

tony hipchest
03-12-2010, 09:58 AM
was "supa" finally sniffed out as former banned member "Koopa"?

cause if it wasnt him, he was definitely of relation.

Steeldude
03-12-2010, 10:41 AM
you would think after last year people would finally accept that any team can be beaten on any sunday by any team.

but i don't think that will stop fans from predicting 16-0 and 15-1 records this coming season

Steeldude
03-12-2010, 10:44 AM
was "supa" finally sniffed out as former banned member "Koopa"?

cause if it wasnt him, he was definitely of relation.

never heard of koopa. regardless, i can see why he supa was banned.

Dino 6 Rings
03-12-2010, 12:01 PM
I'm pretty sure I successfully pointed out that the AFC North Belongs to the Steelers FIRST every single season and that the other teams are not competing against one another as much as they are all targetting the Steelers.

Don't remember Ray Ray wearing a "I hate the Browns" shirt to camp, or Ocho Stinko shining his shoes with a Ravens towel. And the Browns pretty much acted as if they'd won the Super Bowl when they beat the Steelers last season.

In the AFC North, it is the Steelers first, then everyone else trying to take the title for one single season away from US. Now that the Bengals have it, we'll get it back again, and then again, they will all try to take it from us. Do you really think the Browns and Ravens want to beat the Bengals more than they want to beat the Steelers? Or that the Bengals give two rats arses about beating the Ravens more than they care about beating the Steelers?

No, the fact is, all 3 of them, loathe the Steelers the most. Why? Because we are the Rulers of the AFC North. That is why.

Now, as I look at off season moves, and really evelaute what is happening around the AFC North, I believe the Ravens once again will be the biggest competition for the Steelers simply because they have added to their passing game, however, that is also a scary thing for them, since they got to the AFC Title game by running the ball, and couldn't get past the Colts this year when they were more of a passing team. But Boldin is a great addition to them. Bengals also have made a couple solid moves, with Bryant coming into the fold to bolster their passing attack, but really, they need to stay focussed on the running game as well since that is what won them the division last season, not passing, it was their Running game that got them the Wins when they needed them, however, the Jets shut them down because they did lack that next passing threat that Bryant should provide.

Browns...not worth mentioning at this point. Anderson cut, Quinn being shopped....no chance for them.

Also, the Steelers have not been Idle this off season (pending Ben's troubles which there are 1200 posts about so no need to mention) Unlike last season when I felt they needed to bring in more veterans and bolster their Super Bowl Roster instead of trying to win with the same exact team, this year they are making FA moves and are building up depth on the roster and even bringing back a very solid #3/#4 receiver to help in the passing game. A Safety signed as well for depth and Special Teams help, it really focusses the attention where we needed it last year. Maybe a DL in the Draft who can get up field from the outside and pressure the QB since Harrison is basically Neck Held every single play and Woodley doesn't "come on" until game 8, that would be a nice addition.

I do like My Steelers to win the AFC North, if anything because I hope, they are now hungry again and won't be complacent in games they SHOULD EFFING WIN, Browns, Chiefs, Raiders, Bears...AHOLES should never have lost those games. Anyway, I like our schedule being a little tougher, having to play the NFC South, that should keep us UP for every game and not having the AFCN Title in our locker room this season should keep us focussed on the prize. Win the Division, get to the Playoffs, win the Conference, get to the Super Bowl, win the Super Bowl.

RodWoodsonwasprettycool
03-12-2010, 01:08 PM
It's a bit difficult to measure whats to happen in the NFL now

Hell, did any of you guys auctually think that the Bengals would be winning the division and the Steelers getting knocked out of the playoffs by the Browns of all teams?

The Browns, I'm not sure about. I expect them to get about 6 wins, 7 if a bit more lucky, but until that QB position is resolved, I don't expect them to go anywhere anytime soon.

Larry
03-12-2010, 01:47 PM
I'm pretty sure I successfully pointed out that the AFC North Belongs to the Steelers FIRST every single season and that the other teams are not competing against one another as much as they are all targetting the Steelers.

Don't remember Ray Ray wearing a "I hate the Browns" shirt to camp, or Ocho Stinko shining his shoes with a Ravens towel. And the Browns pretty much acted as if they'd won the Super Bowl when they beat the Steelers last season.

In the AFC North, it is the Steelers first, then everyone else trying to take the title for one single season away from US. Now that the Bengals have it, we'll get it back again, and then again, they will all try to take it from us. Do you really think the Browns and Ravens want to beat the Bengals more than they want to beat the Steelers? Or that the Bengals give two rats arses about beating the Ravens more than they care about beating the Steelers?

No, the fact is, all 3 of them, loathe the Steelers the most. Why? Because we are the Rulers of the AFC North. That is why.


Ok man...keep sniffing your own farts. Steelers have won the division 4 times, Ravens and Bengals have each won it twice. Does any of what you say even matter? Btw, the Bengals do care about beating the Ravens because they have been a successful team as well, and the Browns definitely care A LOT about beating the Ravens. And now, the Ravens and Steelers both care a lot about beating the Bengals, because they just swept both of them.

Dino 6 Rings
03-12-2010, 03:47 PM
Ok man...keep sniffing your own farts. Steelers have won the division 4 times, Ravens and Bengals have each won it twice. Does any of what you say even matter? Btw, the Bengals do care about beating the Ravens because they have been a successful team as well, and the Browns definitely care A LOT about beating the Ravens. And now, the Ravens and Steelers both care a lot about beating the Bengals, because they just swept both of them.

Oh, so you want to only count the division as the AFC North and not include the Central as well? really?

Is that because you're following a new team? I mean, really? is that what you are counting, just the "new" AFC North and completely ignore any history in the division?

Really? Here's a fact Larry, 17-11 that's the Steelers Record over your Ravens. Oh and for the record, the Ravens, have NEVER beaten the Steelers in the Playoffs, in fact, a team from Baltimore has never beaten the Steelers in the Playoffs, go look up the Colts if you want.

Here's another Fact Larry, NONE of the teams in the AFC North as it currently stands with the Ravens, Browns and Bengals, none of them, have ever beaten the Steelers in a Playoff Game. Why is that do you think? Maybe because those three other teams aren't even in the playoffs often enough to face us. And when they do get there, we whoop them.

23-14 over the Ravens in 08
31-17 over the Bengals in 05
36-33 over the Browns in 02
27-10 over the Ravens in 01
29-9 over the Browns in 94

I'll wait for you to point out the Ravens Playoff wins over the Steelers, oh wait, my bad, you can't do it because it has never happened.

Larry
03-12-2010, 04:17 PM
Does any of this matter? I already knew all of your fun facts, but you can go ahead and keep drawing the conclusion that the Steelers are invincible based on small sample sizes and old teams. All I said was that it isn't a foregone conclusion that the Steelers are the best team in the division, and two playoff wins over the Ravens doesn't really establish a trend. Also, other teams have rivalries that don't include the Steelers, it's not like other teams only care about beating one team. What about the Ravens Colts rivalry, the Colts have beaten them like 8 times in a row. I bet that a lot of older Ravens fans care more about that.

Dino 6 Rings
03-12-2010, 04:47 PM
Does any of this matter? I already knew all of your fun facts, but you can go ahead and keep drawing the conclusion that the Steelers are invincible based on small sample sizes and old teams. All I said was that it isn't a foregone conclusion that the Steelers are the best team in the division, and two playoff wins over the Ravens doesn't really establish a trend. Also, other teams have rivalries that don't include the Steelers, it's not like other teams only care about beating one team. What about the Ravens Colts rivalry, the Colts have beaten them like 8 times in a row. I bet that a lot of older Ravens fans care more about that.

Right, I suspect Ray Lewis will be wearing his "I hate the Colts" t-shirt to camp this year.

I do not declare the Steelers Invincible, in fact, I'm pretty sure I pointed out their lackluster performance against dog teams this past season already and pretty sure I called them a bunch of AHOLES for losing those games.

However, I do believe, we are doing well enough in Free Agency to compensate for the areas we lacked in last season and also signing our Studs to long term contracts keeping them on the roster going into next season. All this points to the Steelers rebounding, not going down. They were a 9 win team last year, 2-4 in division, horrible, but I suspect they will do better this year, and seriously doubt the Bengals will sweep the division again. Therefore I conclude the Steelers are in the best position, to take back the Division. That is the trend. They lose it, to one of the other three teams, get it back, hold it, lose it again to a different of the three teams, get it back, hold it, lose it again to another of the 3 other teams.

None of those other teams ever seems to hold it very long, and its always the Steelers taking it back.

Larry
03-12-2010, 05:28 PM
They lose it, to one of the other three teams, get it back, hold it, lose it again to a different of the three teams, get it back, hold it, lose it again to another of the 3 other teams.


I can point to multiple instances of that not happening. Whatever, this is pointless. I never disagreed that the Steelers have been the most successful, I just think your trend spotting is a little silly.

Crow-Magnon
03-12-2010, 07:02 PM
Right, I suspect Ray Lewis will be wearing his "I hate the Colts" t-shirt to camp this year.

I do not declare the Steelers Invincible, in fact, I'm pretty sure I pointed out their lackluster performance against dog teams this past season already and pretty sure I called them a bunch of AHOLES for losing those games.

However, I do believe, we are doing well enough in Free Agency to compensate for the areas we lacked in last season and also signing our Studs to long term contracts keeping them on the roster going into next season. All this points to the Steelers rebounding, not going down. They were a 9 win team last year, 2-4 in division, horrible, but I suspect they will do better this year, and seriously doubt the Bengals will sweep the division again. Therefore I conclude the Steelers are in the best position, to take back the Division. That is the trend. They lose it, to one of the other three teams, get it back, hold it, lose it again to a different of the three teams, get it back, hold it, lose it again to another of the 3 other teams.

None of those other teams ever seems to hold it very long, and its always the Steelers taking it back.

It wasn't Ray; it was Suggs. :drink:

Actually, your post a few posts ago has a lot of merit. I do believe that, in the long run, year after the year the team that the Ravens, Bengals and Browns aim to beat is the Steelers. I'll freely admit that. They have the track record over the long haul that gives them that right to normally be the team to beat.

And I think the Ravens are normally second, the Bengals a distant third and the Browns are an afterthought.

fansince'76
03-12-2010, 08:10 PM
was "supa" finally sniffed out as former banned member "Koopa"?

Unless Koopa moved to the U.K., no.

tony hipchest
03-12-2010, 09:08 PM
koopa was a college student in SA (supa- formerly SA currently UK)

nobody pimped UT players harder than koopa (other than supa)

nobody tried to type in ghetto slang and internet shorthand more than koopa (other than supa)

nobody posted more rap videos and lyrics other than koopa- who also started the 1st 'what are you listening to' thread (other than koopa)

the only clues missing were the san antonio spurs sig and anouncing he was of mexican decent. :hunch:

(if koopa were banned from wahooville around the same time supa joined, it would be a dead give away.)

then again i definitely wouldnt be suprised that 2 people could easilly be so cliche.

Ravnet
03-12-2010, 09:41 PM
Maybe because those three other teams aren't even in the playoffs often enough to face us.

Maybe because you pride yourself on a football team which you have no control over whatsoever?

The Steelers and Ravens have made the playoffs an equal number of times in the past decade, and Pittsburgh has just one more playoff win than Baltimore, so a.) the quoted statement is 100% false, and b.) winning the division isn't that damn important as is evidenced by the fact that Pittsburgh/Baltimore have almost identical playoff appearances/records.

Right, I suspect Ray Lewis will be wearing his "I hate the Colts" t-shirt to camp this year.

Ray didn't wear that shirt, it was Suggs, which is like the difference between Ben and Willie Parker.

Dino 6 Rings
03-15-2010, 10:25 AM
Maybe because you pride yourself on a football team which you have no control over whatsoever?

The Steelers and Ravens have made the playoffs an equal number of times in the past decade, and Pittsburgh has just one more playoff win than Baltimore, so a.) the quoted statement is 100% false, and b.) winning the division isn't that damn important as is evidenced by the fact that Pittsburgh/Baltimore have almost identical playoff appearances/records.



Ray didn't wear that shirt, it was Suggs, which is like the difference between Ben and Willie Parker.

Suggs, Ray Ray, whatever, it was a "hate the Steelers" shirt and pretty sure Boldin already said he can't wait to play the Steelers and pretty sure that Mr Blindside even mentioned playing against the Steelers over any of the other 2 teams in the AFCN when he first got to Baltimore.

100% False?

Baltimore became the Ravens in 1996. Since then they have been in the playoffs 6 Times. They are 8-5 in the playoffs. With 1 SB Win in 2000.

Since 1996 The Steelers have been in the playoffs 8 times. They are 12-6 in that same time period in the Playoffs.

The Browns, since 1996 only 1 time, 2002, and they are 0-1 in the Playoffs since they came back to the League, and that 1 loss, to the Steelers.

The Bengals, since 1996, 2 times in the playoffs, they are 0-2.


Do Fuzzy Math all you want. My point is 100% Valid. They aren't in as often as the Steelers. What we have is one team, since 1996 in the playoffs 8 times, with 12 wins and the other 3, since 1996 in the playoffs 9 times with a total of 8 wins for all 3.

So the Ravens are clearly the biggest competition for the Steelers each season as being the better of the other 3 teams in the AFCN. I don't deny that the Ravens are clearly, #2 in the AFCN. But as pointed out, and as proven to be Factual 100% the team to beat every year, in the AFC North for the other 3 teams is the Pittsburgh Steelers. To deny this fact, is to be ignorant.

I've already posted basically the entire Log of the Teams. And in case you are really interested, only 1 team in the NFL has more Playoff Wins than the Steelers. That would be the Dallas Cowboys. Historically, the Steelers have 31 Playoff wins, combined the Ravens, Browns, Bengals have 23.

The Steelers also have the 2nd highest winning percentage in the Playoffs in the History of the NFL only .005 points behind the Green Bay Packers. Packers are 25-15 in the Playoffs at .625, the Steelers are 31-29 .620.

Yeah, I have a fanatical pride in a team that I have "no control" over, so what? That's why I'm on a Steelers Online Message Board talking to other fans. Enjoying my time, and my life, as I grow watching a Franchise grow and change over the years, having moments of Joy and Saddness, and sharing those moments with total strangers year after year after year. Raising my children to "cheer" on that same team they have "no control over" Yes, its true. I'm a total nut job fan.

But I also know facts. And the Facts are that the Steelers are the Team to beat in the AFCN Every Single Freaking Year.

stlrtruck
03-15-2010, 11:56 AM
Yeah, I have a fanatical pride in a team that I have "no control" over, so what? That's why I'm on a Steelers Online Message Board talking to other fans. Enjoying my time, and my life, as I grow watching a Franchise grow and change over the years, having moments of Joy and Saddness, and sharing those moments with total strangers year after year after year. Raising my children to "cheer" on that same team they have "no control over" Yes, its true. I'm a total nut job fan.

I call LIAR! LIAR! if you are anything like me, the word "CHEER" doesn't do your raising of said children any justice. While there may not be a better word, "CHEER" definitely doesn't do it well. :flap:

Larry
03-15-2010, 01:27 PM
But I also know facts. And the Facts are that the Steelers are the Team to beat in the AFCN Every Single Freaking Year.

Once again, you're taking a general trend observed over a long period of time and trying to apply it to every season. When the Steelers have a couple of down seasons, they aren't the team to beat. That hasn't happened since the formation of the AFCN, but it has happened in the past and it is hard to totally avoid. Nothing in football applies Every Single Freaking Year...just temper your arrogance a bit and realize that the Steelers have been around for a very long time, and the formation of the AFCN coincided with a very successful period in Steelers history.


What we have is one team, since 1996 in the playoffs 8 times, with 12 wins and the other 3, since 1996 in the playoffs 9 times with a total of 8 wins for all 3.

Come on now. You can't possibly be resorting to that just to avoid acknowledging the Ravens' success. Why are you combining the 0 playoff wins from the Bengals and Browns with the 8 from the Ravens? What we have is one team, since 1996, in the playoffs 8 times with 12 wins, and one team in the playoffs 6 times with 8 wins.

Besides, he said the past decade. That means since the 2000 season.

Dino 6 Rings
03-16-2010, 08:27 AM
Once again, you're taking a general trend observed over a long period of time and trying to apply it to every season. When the Steelers have a couple of down seasons, they aren't the team to beat. That hasn't happened since the formation of the AFCN, but it has happened in the past and it is hard to totally avoid. Nothing in football applies Every Single Freaking Year...just temper your arrogance a bit and realize that the Steelers have been around for a very long time, and the formation of the AFCN coincided with a very successful period in Steelers history.



Come on now. You can't possibly be resorting to that just to avoid acknowledging the Ravens' success. Why are you combining the 0 playoff wins from the Bengals and Browns with the 8 from the Ravens? What we have is one team, since 1996, in the playoffs 8 times with 12 wins, and one team in the playoffs 6 times with 8 wins.

Besides, he said the past decade. That means since the 2000 season.

Yeah, I see he CUT out the times the Ravens Didn't make it to the playoffs really convienant for fudging numbers.

It is a clear Fact that each year, even now, with 2 rings in our pocket with this QB, that the Steelers are the Best Team in the AFCN. Ask anyone that isn't a fan of a team in the AFCN. Go ask a Cowboy fan, a Titans fan, or a Patriots fan, I bet they would all say that the Steelers are the best team in the AFCN THIS Season. Why? Because of the trend of them being the dominant team in the division. The trend is what it is. The facts are what they are. The Steelers are simply the best of the 4 teams, over the last decade, over the last 5 decades. Its simply a fact.

I can see why a fan from one of the other 3 teams...well not the Browns, at least they realize how bad they suck lately...a fan from the other two teams would want to argue against it, but the real blind homerism is on the side of the Ravens and Bengals fans that deny the fact that the Steelers are the Best team in the AFCN and have the best chance of winning the AFCN again this season, simply because of the trend that they usually do win it.