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mesaSteeler
03-11-2010, 05:43 AM
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Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Starkey: Steelers' image in tatters

By Joe Starkey
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, March 11, 2010

It's easy to find the face of the Steelers' storied franchise. Just click on TMZ.com.

There you will see Ben Roethlisberger clad in a black Satan T-shirt that's Satan, not satin apparently posing for photos with co-eds the night he was accused of sexual assault in a small Georgia college town.

I'm guessing none of the shots will make the cover of the Steelers' media guide.

Though bar-hopper Ben might well be innocent, team president Art Rooney II must be more than a little alarmed that his $102 million quarterback has as many sexual assault allegations as Super Bowl rings.

But let's be honest: The Steelers' carefully cultivated image isn't resting on Roethlisberger's innocence.

That image has long since crumbled.

The so-called Steeler Way is dead.

Don't get me wrong. The Steelers do most things better than nearly everybody. They draft better players, hire better coaches, win more championships.

But could we please stop pretending that they do so from elevated moral ground?

Rooney is not granting interviews, so there is no way to gauge his feelings on this latest legal headache. One wonders if he is ashamed of the Steelers' deteriorating image under his watch. Does he know that his players' off-field antics have made the franchise every bit as much a punch line as the Cincinnati Bengals?

Some people still buy the myth. That was obvious when rumors surfaced last summer of the Steelers having interest in disgraced quarterback Michael Vick.

The Steelers? They would never bring in a guy like that. That's not the Steeler Way.

At face value, such assertions were valid. The Steelers had no history of signing troubled, high-profile free agents and weren't going to sign Vick. But the implication that they only employ players of the strongest moral fiber should have insulted any reasonable person's intelligence.

Let's consider just some of the trouble we've seen since Super Bowl XL.

Where would you like to start offense, defense or special teams?

Let's go with receiver Santonio Holmes, who was arrested twice within 25 days of the Steelers drafting him. A disorderly conduct charge out of Miami was dropped. Holmes later was charged with domestic violence and assault against the mother of one of his children.

In a police affidavit, the woman alleged that Holmes was "choking (her), throwing her to the ground ... and slamming her into a door." Charges were dismissed when Holmes' lawyers assured a Ohio judge that Holmes was participating in counseling through the NFL.

This past year, Holmes escaped a misdemeanor drug charge when his attorney successfully argued that a traffic stop violated the player's rights.

Another receiver, Cedrick Wilson, allegedly walked into a bar two years ago and punched his ex-girlfriend in the face. The Steelers, upon cutting Wilson, released a sanctimonious statement saying they hoped the roster move would "send a message that we will not tolerate this type of conduct."

That was before star linebacker James Harrison, who was arrested for striking the mother of his son around the same time as the Wilson incident, was signed to a $51.5 million contract. Charges were dropped, but Harrison had to undergo anger-management counseling and in his autobiography, it was verified that Harrison struck the woman in the face.

We could go on. We could talk about the kicker's run-ins with a towel dispenser and policemen, the offensive line coach who accidentally forwarded a pornographic e-mail to league offices, the tight end who allegedly urinated in a parking lot near Heinz Field and even one of the team mascots who was arrested for DUI.

No need.

Let's just be truthful: All NFL franchises deal with trouble. All have been known to sacrifice ethics for the sake of winning. That's the point. The Steelers are no different than the rest, though they're having a pretty rough run at the moment.

You can read all about it on TMZ.com.

Joe Starkey can be reached at jraystarkey@gmail.com or .

steelreserve
03-11-2010, 01:08 PM
I don't know about the whole team's image being in tatters. We've got one guy (Ben) who's made a real ass of himself in the national spotlight, and the rest is a bunch of random shit that happens from time to time, whether it's on a professional football team or in the general population.

I'm not so sure the Steelers' "pristine" reputation had to do with hiring guys who were angels off the field in the first place, either. Joey Porter got shot in the ass because of barroom brawl. Bam Morris got arrested with a garbage bag full of weed in his trunk. Tim Worley kept failing tests for cocaine and got tasered by the cops for a DUI. Eric Green couldn't stay away from the white powder either. Ernie Holmes shot it out with a police helicopter. This has been going on for decades, and I'm pretty sure you'll find it on just about any football team. Hell, you can pretty much expect that, given the number of guys on a team. Something like 1% of the population is actually IN PRISON, so it should be no surprise that out of 53 players, a couple are going to have problems with the law at any given time.

No, I think the Steelers' reputation has more to do with hiring players who work hard on the field and don't act like divas in the locker room or when they talk to the press. That's it. And the good news is, I don't think that's changed as a result of the Ben thing.

fansince'76
03-11-2010, 01:19 PM
Melodrama, anyone? :yawn:

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 01:24 PM
We could go on. We could talk about the kicker's run-ins with a towel dispenser and policemen, the offensive line coach who accidentally forwarded a pornographic e-mail to league offices, the tight end who allegedly urinated in a parking lot near Heinz Field

so on motorways some people hang their wire out and piss on the side since they dont wanting to stink there car up with piss.

the writer needs to man up

vrabinec
03-11-2010, 01:24 PM
Damn it, this means we can't rip the Ratbirds and Bungles as criminal franchises any more. Guess we'll just have to stick to pointing to the little silver trophies.

steelax04
03-11-2010, 01:36 PM
I wouldn't say the image is in tatters, but the key is definitely in the ignition...

Fire Haley
03-11-2010, 01:39 PM
When does Ben's civil trial start in Reno? Have we ever heard about that one?

Vincent
03-11-2010, 01:40 PM
If Heath were a "real" team mate, he'd do something ridiculous to deflect attention from Ben.

pete74
03-11-2010, 01:58 PM
When does Ben's civil trial start in Reno? Have we ever heard about that one?

no clue but hopefully he looses a few million and that makes him calm down. i dont care if he assulted this girl or not, he still needs to mature.

memphissteelergirl
03-11-2010, 01:59 PM
Melodrama, anyone? :yawn:

:chuckle:

wootawnee
03-11-2010, 02:20 PM
[QUOTE=mesaSteeler;784285]http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_671073.html#

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Starkey: Steelers' image in tatters

By Joe Starkey
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Thursday, March 11, 2010

It's easy to find the face of the Steelers' storied franchise. Just click on TMZ.com.

There you will see Ben Roethlisberger clad in a black Satan T-shirt — that's Satan, not satin — apparently posing for photos with co-eds the night he was accused of sexual assault in a small Georgia college town.

I'm guessing none of the shots will make the cover of the Steelers' media guide.

Though bar-hopper Ben might well be innocent, team president Art Rooney II must be more than a little alarmed that his $102 million quarterback has as many sexual assault allegations as Super Bowl rings.

But let's be honest: The Steelers' carefully cultivated image isn't resting on Roethlisberger's innocence.

That image has long since crumbled.

The so-called Steeler Way is dead.

Don't get me wrong. The Steelers do most things better than nearly everybody. They draft better players, hire better coaches, win more championships.

But could we please stop pretending that they do so from elevated moral ground?

Rooney is not granting interviews, so there is no way to gauge his feelings on this latest legal headache. One wonders if he is ashamed of the Steelers' deteriorating image under his watch. Does he know that his players' off-field antics have made the franchise every bit as much a punch line as the Cincinnati Bengals?

Some people still buy the myth. That was obvious when rumors surfaced last summer of the Steelers having interest in disgraced quarterback Michael Vick.

The Steelers? They would never bring in a guy like that. That's not the Steeler Way.

At face value, such assertions were valid. The Steelers had no history of signing troubled, high-profile free agents and weren't going to sign Vick. But the implication that they only employ players of the strongest moral fiber should have insulted any reasonable person's intelligence.

Let's consider just some of the trouble we've seen since Super Bowl XL.

Where would you like to start — offense, defense or special teams?

Let's go with receiver Santonio Holmes, who was arrested twice within 25 days of the Steelers drafting him. A disorderly conduct charge out of Miami was dropped. Holmes later was charged with domestic violence and assault against the mother of one of his children.

In a police affidavit, the woman alleged that Holmes was "choking (her), throwing her to the ground ... and slamming her into a door." Charges were dismissed when Holmes' lawyers assured a Ohio judge that Holmes was participating in counseling through the NFL.

This past year, Holmes escaped a misdemeanor drug charge when his attorney successfully argued that a traffic stop violated the player's rights.

Another receiver, Cedrick Wilson, allegedly walked into a bar two years ago and punched his ex-girlfriend in the face. The Steelers, upon cutting Wilson, released a sanctimonious statement saying they hoped the roster move would "send a message that we will not tolerate this type of conduct."

That was before star linebacker James Harrison, who was arrested for striking the mother of his son around the same time as the Wilson incident, was signed to a $51.5 million contract. Charges were dropped, but Harrison had to undergo anger-management counseling — and in his autobiography, it was verified that Harrison struck the woman in the face.

We could go on. We could talk about the kicker's run-ins with a towel dispenser and policemen, the offensive line coach who accidentally forwarded a pornographic e-mail to league offices, the tight end who allegedly urinated in a parking lot near Heinz Field and even one of the team mascots who was arrested for DUI.

No need.

Let's just be truthful: All NFL franchises deal with trouble. All have been known to sacrifice ethics for the sake of winning. That's the point. The Steelers are no different than the rest, though they're having a pretty rough run at the moment.

You can read all about it on TMZ.com.

Joe Starkey can be reached at jraystarkey@gmail.com or .[/QUOTE

Yea right.....The 70's guy always went out and had a good time............The Steeler image is on the field.......Everyone should be good off the field........That should be everyones image........Not just the Steelers........You could never print the things Lambert and Fats used to say on the field...........On the field is the Steelers image....Nasty on Defense and Tough on Offense............Throw it deep........Go out and have a beer after work.........Bring your lunch pail the next day...........Be a good dude.......How many times do you think one of the 70's dudes took a leak out in the parking lot........The officers then would come up and say Hi and would wish them good luck against the Browns next week.........Not write you up for peeing.......Unbeleivable

Florida_Steelers_Fan
03-11-2010, 02:43 PM
starkey is blowing this out of proportion. ben is a young man...no one said that he should spend his spring & early summer in a monastery. this is one guy who obviously has a thing for the young women around him, but has been found guilty of nothing more than bad judgment (maybe).

the steeler way is still the tops of the NFL...this is sensationalistic journalism, and nothing more... moving right along...

Curtain_of_Steel
03-11-2010, 03:30 PM
Wow, at least we are not the Bengals, Ravens, Raiders, the cheating Pats, lol.

TheWarDen86
03-11-2010, 03:34 PM
Starkey: Steelers' image in tatters

:rolleyes:

I'm thinking of a phrase and it rhymes with "bullshit."

up, no wait..., it was "bullshit." Damn, I'm no good at this at all. :wink02:

Larry
03-11-2010, 04:14 PM
Don't get me wrong. The Steelers do most things better than nearly everybody. They draft better players, hire better coaches, win more championships.

But could we please stop pretending that they do so from elevated moral ground?

Let's just be truthful: All NFL franchises deal with trouble. All have been known to sacrifice ethics for the sake of winning. That's the point. The Steelers are no different than the rest, though they're having a pretty rough run at the moment.


I have been trying to make this point for a while on this forum. Most of you will go on believing what you want to believe, but I hope a few of you will learn from this incident. The things that some of you have said about other teams are hypocritical and ignorant, and we can't complain much about other fans being judgmental now that we're in the opposite position.

fansince'76
03-11-2010, 04:54 PM
I have been trying to make this point for a while on this forum. Most of you will go on believing what you want to believe, but I hope a few of you will learn from this incident. The things that some of you have said about other teams are hypocritical and ignorant, and we can't complain much about other fans being judgmental now that we're in the opposite position.

:blah: :blah: :blah:

Dino 6 Rings
03-11-2010, 04:59 PM
Just makes us the bad guys again. whatever, get out of our way as we get #7.

TheWarDen86
03-11-2010, 05:15 PM
I have been trying to make this point for a while on this forum. Most of you will go on believing what you want to believe, but I hope a few of you will learn from this incident. The things that some of you have said about other teams are hypocritical and ignorant, and we can't complain much about other fans being judgmental now that we're in the opposite position.


You've been here since December. Some of us have been here years. All of a sudden we need YOU to teach us how to post? Get over yourself dude.

:coffee:

SteelersMongol
03-11-2010, 07:59 PM
I have been trying to make this point for a while on this forum. Most of you will go on believing what you want to believe, but I hope a few of you will learn from this incident. The things that some of you have said about other teams are hypocritical and ignorant, and we can't complain much about other fans being judgmental now that we're in the opposite position.

OK, I will not beat women in the face no more. I will not do any white powdery thing in the car. I won't pee in the parking lot. I will not kick towel dispenser in a restaurant. :chuckle: Oh yeah, I will not allegedly rape women. :rofl: Am I learning a lot or what? :chuckle:

devilsdancefloor
03-11-2010, 08:24 PM
Honestly we look at these guys as role models and they are far from it. Most are young millionaires. Think about it if you where 24 to 30 and had loads of cash. I am guessing the party would never stop. i know how i was when i was young.

ETL
03-11-2010, 08:26 PM
I don't care about no stinkin image. I wanna win games. If we want to win the image game then we should draft Tebow with our first pick and give up trying to win real games

steelerdude15
03-11-2010, 10:30 PM
There you will see Ben Roethlisberger clad in a black Satan T-shirt — that's Satan, not satin
Freedom of expression, that's all I have to say.

pittguy578
03-11-2010, 11:16 PM
I do not think the Steelers were EVER remotely interested in Vick.
That was just an internet rumor.
Rooneys would never sign someone with a felony conviction.
Can you name me a single player that has ever faced a serious charge and still remained on the team?
No, Santonio's small bag of weed doesn't count. I would rather have someone with a little bit of weed than peeing in public places and beating up towel dispensers.

Give me a break.

RoethlisBURGHer
03-12-2010, 12:05 AM
I think a lot of fans have the "Holier Than Thou" complex and feel that Steelers players should be choir boys and any one of them that isn't a perfect role model should be cut.

The Steelers have never been known for having players that don't cause trouble. Ernie Holmes shot it out with a police helicopter for goodness sakes, and I think it was Art Rooney Sr. that bailed him out of jail. Joey Porter knocked Willie Green's teeth down his throat before a game, causing both players to get ejected. We've had players that had drug problems.

However, the Steelers don't sign players that cause major disruptions on the field and in the locker room. They wouldn't sign a Terrel Owens, or a Chad Whateverhisnameisnowadays. That is what I consider the Steeler way.

There are 53 players on an active roster and I think 10 on the practice squad. That is a lot of different personalities, plus coaches and other faculty and staff. Not everyone is going to get along, and some will get into some legal trouble. It happens.

MACH1
03-12-2010, 12:15 AM
and some will get into some legal trouble. It happens.

And others need to learn how to keep their dic* in their pants.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-12-2010, 12:44 AM
And others need to learn how to keep their dic* in their pants.

Hater !!

-So a guy likes to ride a motorcycle without a helmet or a valid Penn operators license?

-So an individual likes to pickup ugly and unstable casino chicks after 15 beers and they accuse him of rape?

-So a $100 million dollar athlete likes to party at dive bars in Georgia and have 20 year old coeds that he met for 10 minutes accused him of assault??

Everybody has their legal issues. Its not like the guy can afford to goto private script clubs and "make it rain" out of the public eye. College kids with cameras on their phone are everywhere these days. :headshake:

steelerdude15
03-12-2010, 01:10 AM
I didn't know Tim Lumber was back! :rofl:

Florida_Steelers_Fan
03-12-2010, 01:23 PM
Once the season rolls around and Ben is throwing touchdown passes all this will blow away like a fart in the wind...

devilsdancefloor
03-12-2010, 01:28 PM
Once the season rolls around and Ben is throwing touchdown passes all this will blow away like a fart in the wind...

id love to believe that, but if he isnt throwing TD's it will be a freaking circus around here. oh wait ti already is um um maybe a three ring circus then.

SteelerFanInStl
03-12-2010, 03:15 PM
Melodrama, anyone? :yawn:

:iagree:

TheWarDen86
03-12-2010, 03:18 PM
Well, he DID hire O-Ray's lawyer. Apparently that guy is awesome. Maybe Ben's SB MVP this year. :noidea: Who knows.

:chuckle: