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Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 08:49 PM
This can't be good for Steeler Nation.

A couple of years ago I heard from a woman who said that Roethlisberger blew off a Make-A-Wish kid. When KDKA-TVs News Director, John Verrilli, was shown the email, he made it clear that it was a story that his news department would not be pursuing. I eventually got in contact with the parents of the little girl who the jackass snubbed. They said the story was true but they didn’t want to go public with it for their daughter’s sake. The little girl had cystic fibrosis.

As I said, Bad citizen who needs a comeuppance.


Trust me, there is more.... JS doesn not let up.


http://justwatchthegame.com/blog/just-watch-the-game-blog

Psyychoward86
03-11-2010, 08:51 PM
:mad:

Shoes
03-11-2010, 08:52 PM
The Steelers will move forward with or without Ben...its that simple!

BlastFurnace
03-11-2010, 09:00 PM
Here is the entire blog

http://justwatchthegame.com/blog/jus...-the-game-blog

Just Watch the Game Blog

This is my first posting on the JUST WATCH THE GAME blog. The plan here is to blog at least once a day and probably several times a day. JUST WATCH THE GAME is the title of the book that I’ll be releasing in a few months and you’ll be able to read excerpts at justwatchthegame.com.

I guess I should get my two cents in on Ben Roethlisberger:

First of all, none of this surprises me. Ben is a bad citizen. He doesn’t know how to treat people and he definitely doesn’t know how to handle being the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. In my more than 30 years of working in the Pittsburgh sports media, I have never had any player come close to generating as many unsolicited questions from fans as Roethlisberger has. They want to know why he’s such a jackass. And these aren’t just Steelers fans who got turned down for an autograph. It’s men and women from all walks of life.

Most of the accounts of the incident in Georgial mention that Ben wasn’t drinking much. The implication being that he wasn’t high. Let me be the first to point out that he could very easily have been high on something other than alcohol. If that turns out to be the case, will you be surprised?

If this jackass is charged with sexual assault, the NFL should immediately suspend him for several games next season. If the league doesn’t, the Steelers should. We hear all the time about how the Rooney family does things differently. This is a chance to prove it. It’s one thing to suspend or cut a third receiver or a backup lineman. Suspending a $100 million quarterback would really set the Rooneys apart.

Roethlisberger is a punk who needs to be knocked down a peg or two.

A couple of years ago I heard from a woman who said that Roethlisberger blew off a Make-A-Wish kid. When KDKA-TVs News Director, John Verrilli, was shown the email, he made it clear that it was a story that his news department would not be pursuing. I eventually got in contact with the parents of the little girl who the jackass snubbed. They said the story was true but they didn’t want to go public with it for their daughter’s sake. The little girl had cystic fibrosis.

As I said, Bad citizen who needs a comeuppance.

supa_fly_steeler
03-11-2010, 09:01 PM
Long-time Pittsburgh sportscaster unloads on Big Ben
Posted by Mike Florio on March 11, 2010 8:29 PM ET
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/11/long-time-pittsburgh-sportscaster-unloads-on-big-ben/

As we've mentioned a time or two this week, the tide of public opinion in Pittsburgh has turned dramatically against Ben Roethlisberger in the wake of a second allegation of sexual assault.

Local talk radio has featured plenty of anecdotal evidence regarding generally boorish behavior from Big Ben (we've heard a couple of stories that we possibly will be posting, once they are vetted by the PFT legal team -- i.e., me), and his defenders are becoming fewer and farther between.

Perhaps most jarring is the maiden blog voyage of long-time, old-school Pittsburgh sportscaster John Steigerwald, who spent more than two decades on KDKA-TV, who has hosted radio in the Pittsburgh area, and who currently appears on a weekly Sunday night show on WTAE-TV.

Here's what Steigerwald says about Roethlisberger: "First of all, none of this surprises me. Ben is a bad citizen. He doesn't know how to treat people and he definitely doesn't know how to handle being the quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. In my more than 30 years of working in the Pittsburgh sports media, I have never had any player come close to generating as many unsolicited questions from fans as Roethlisberger has. They want to know why he's such a jackass. And these aren't just Steelers fans who got turned down for an autograph. It's men and women from all walks of life."

Steigerwald specifically points to a Make-A-Wish child that Roethlisberger blew off. Per Steigerwald, KDKA opted not to pursue the matter as a news story. Steigerwald later spoke to the parents, who did not want to go public on behalf of their daughter, who had cystic fibrosis.

Steigerwald's verdict? "Roethlisberger is a punk who needs to be knocked down a peg or two."

As a general matter, Pittsburgh-area sportscasters tread lightly when it comes to the Steelers, if they value access and cooperation from the organization. Steigerwald's atypical candor is a sign that, when it comes to Big Ben, the local journalists have either gotten a nod from the team to take off the gloves, or they just don't care.

Prok
03-11-2010, 09:10 PM
geezus....

He's wriiting a book?

Christ the bad news is coming out of the woodwork it seems........

Shoes
03-11-2010, 09:12 PM
geezus....

He's wriiting a book?

Christ the bad news is coming out of the woodwork it seems........

Go to bed Prok...get some rest, it'll be better in the AM.....:chuckle:

Prok
03-11-2010, 09:13 PM
Go to bed Prok...get some rest, it'll be better in the AM.....:chuckle:

christ i'm gonna give the internet a break for a few years. lol

devilsdancefloor
03-11-2010, 09:19 PM
im sorry for the little girl, but the sad thing is these guys have lives out side of charity and football. I am sure they get thousands of requests a year if not more for make a wish or some other charitible organizations. Sometimes you have to say NO sadly. I am sure it is hard, but they learn to do it. It is human nature to want to help. Most if not all have charities. Something has to be said about that, but of course not it isnt news worthy if is isnt something bad.

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 09:25 PM
This can't be good for Steeler Nation.




Trust me, there is more.... JS doesn not let up.


http://justwatchthegame.com/blog/just-watch-the-game-blog

wait he was told by a woman ben did this then he contacted the family who remains nameless then sent an email to kdka and wanted them to report it. What exactly were they supposed to report and how do we even know this is true.

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 09:27 PM
And im sure ben has never done anything good for the community.

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 09:33 PM
im sorry for the little girl, but the sad thing is these guys have lives out side of charity and football. I am sure they get thousands of requests a year if not more for make a wish or some other charitible organizations. Sometimes you have to say NO sadly. I am sure it is hard, but they learn to do it. It is human nature to want to help. Most if not all have charities. Something has to be said about that, but of course not it isnt news worthy if is isnt something bad.

Troy seems to live a balance life. Ben should hang around people like him.

Prok
03-11-2010, 09:43 PM
im sorry for the little girl, but the sad thing is these guys have lives out side of charity and football. I am sure they get thousands of requests a year if not more for make a wish or some other charitible organizations. Sometimes you have to say NO sadly. I am sure it is hard, but they learn to do it. It is human nature to want to help. Most if not all have charities. Something has to be said about that, but of course not it isnt news worthy if is isnt something bad.

You got that right. I guess now's the perfect time to jump on the Ben bashing wagon. Wonder what the reaction would have been had Steigy called Ben an a-hole publicly a year earlier? He is too because he didn't have the balls to do it.

M.C. Smith
03-11-2010, 09:45 PM
And im sure ben has never done anything good for the community.

My thoughts exactly. :thumbsup: If he is found to be innocent in this whole thing, alot of people are going to owe Big Ben a big apology.

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 09:51 PM
wait he was told by a woman ben did this then he contacted the family who remains nameless then sent an email to kdka and wanted them to report it. What exactly were they supposed to report and how do we even know this is true.


Did you look at the reader's comments? I have heard for years, Ben won't give autographs to the kids (i.e., training camp)

Savran hasn't been giving Ben high marks this week.

Where are the individuals that can stand up for Ben's impeccable character (father, friends, ex- girlfriends)? If any one can post something, I would LOVE to read it. Seriously, I would. I don't want to believe the worst, but it seems like what everyone knew in Pittsburgh for years, we (displaced fans) are finally getting wind of now.

Just sayin.

Godfather
03-11-2010, 09:53 PM
Here is the concern.. I have yet to read about something Ben has done for the good. Question? Can anyone post the good of Ben off the field? I am a diehard fan and I think nothing more of the Black and Gold, but this is just getting out of control with this idiot. Why do you act like this Ben? I do not support you! I support the team and the Nation. I do not care if you did not do these things. You put yourself in these situations. Grow up and show some P.R.I.D.E..

I know he's bought dogs for police departments. That may be his preferred cause.

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 09:55 PM
Here is the concern.. I have yet to read about something Ben has done for the good. Question? Can anyone post the good of Ben off the field?..

you beat me to it..

I want to hear from somebody close to Ben.. to defend him..

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 09:56 PM
Here is the concern.. I have yet to read about something Ben has done for the good. Question? Can anyone post the good of Ben off the field? I am a diehard fan and I think nothing more of the Black and Gold, but this is just getting out of control with this idiot. Why do you act like this Ben? I do not support you! I support the team and the Nation. I do not care if you did not do these things. You put yourself in these situations. Grow up and show some P.R.I.D.E..

just google it he has football camps donates to charities involving police fire department kids dogs diseases. the guy has done plenty and so many are willing to bash him without him being charged with any crime.

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 10:00 PM
you beat me to it..

I want to hear from somebody close to Ben.. to defend him..

oh i see but you will take the word that he's scum from a guy who doesnt even know him. makes sense.:thumbsup:

austinfrench76
03-11-2010, 10:04 PM
I can't believe that anyone is surprised?! There have been lots of stories that he's a bad guy BUT I don't know him and don't really want too. I love the Steelers not Ben. I hope he isn't guilty simply for that young girl but he's a great QB and that's all I will ever want him to be. Go Steelers!!!

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 10:06 PM
I didn't say he is scum or that he assaulted anyone. I'm just saying he chooses to be in the wrong places too much.. Period!!

wrong places too much????? what wrong places

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 10:10 PM
just google it he has football camps donates to charities involving police fire department kids dogs diseases. the guy has done plenty and so many are willing to bash him without him being charged with any crime.

You know it is easy to write a check.. Everyone can give a portion of their riches.. We ALL have 24 hours in a day.. How do you spend that 24 hours says a lot about a person.

Woodley56
03-11-2010, 10:13 PM
Remember the good old days when SteelerNation's biggest concerns RE: Ben was whether or not he:

A.) Held the ball too long.
B.) See A.

I miss those days.

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 10:14 PM
I really need to spell it out? Fine... Night clubs and casinos.. See if you can google how he acted when he walked out of a night club in Chitown a few months ago and how he is not welcome in a few bars in the Pburgh..

night clubs and casinos are public places and are legal nothing ,wrong with going to them.

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 10:17 PM
You know it is easy to write a check.. Everyone can give a portion of their riches.. We ALL have 24 hours in a day.. How do you spend that 24 hours says a lot about a person.

what do you want from him?? maybe he should just donate all his free time and not have a life.

fansince'76
03-11-2010, 10:18 PM
Two questions....

1. Who is John Steigerwald?

2. Why should I care?

:coffee:

jjpro11
03-11-2010, 10:19 PM
i am not going to go write Ben off the face of the earth, because i don't believe he is guilty of either case against him. having said that, i know for a fact he isn't a very nice guy. i have a friend who used to work directly with the players, and he said by far Ben was the worst to work with. big time ego, not fan friendly, jerk, etc, etc.. i, like everyone else heard some of the not so nice things about Ben through the years, but passed them off as horseshit until i heard first hand from my buddy. i am sorry to break it to some of you, but it's just the truth. we've been hearing stories for years now about his attitude and such, but we end up just dismissing them a hearsay. while all of it may not be true, where there is smoke, there is fire.. and there has been a heavy amount of smoke building up through the years.

my view is this.. he's an asshole, but i don't care. all i want from him is to win football games, make us happy and don't violate the law (which i don't believe he has). there are a lot of kind hearted, down to earth guys in the NFL.. and there are others that aren't. as long as you stay on the right side of the law, i don't care about your personality. i own a Big Ben jersey and wear it nearly every Sunday and will continue to do so as long as he is not found guilty.

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 10:19 PM
night clubs and casinos are public places and are legal nothing ,wrong with going to them.

prostitution is legal in Nevada..................what's your point?

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 10:21 PM
i am not going to go write Ben off the face of the earth, because i don't believe he is guilty of either case against him. having said that, i know for a fact he isn't a very nice guy. i have a friend who used to work directly with the players, and he said by far Ben was the worst to work with. big time ego, not fan friendly, jerk, etc, etc.. i, like everyone else heard some of the not so nice things about Ben through the years, but passed them off as horseshit until i heard first hand from my buddy. i am sorry to break it to some of you, but it's just the truth. we've been hearing stories for years now about his attitude and such, but we end up just dismissing them a hearsay. while all of it may not be true, where there is smoke, there is fire.. and there has been a heavy amount of smoke building up through the years.

my view is this.. he's an asshole, but i don't care. all i want from him is to win football games, make us happy and don't violate the law (which i don't believe he has). there are a lot of kind hearted, down to earth guys in the NFL.. and there are others that aren't. as long as you stay on the right side of the law, i don't care about your personality. i own a Big Ben jersey and wear it nearly every Sunday and will continue to do so as long as he is not found guilty.

perfectly said

mesaSteeler
03-11-2010, 10:22 PM
I have to call total BS on this Steigerwald clown. All he has is hearsay crap. Watch the my wish video from the link below and then tell me that Ben does not help kids.

http://ballhype.com/video/my_wish_ben_roethlisberger_espn_video/

Note the above statement does not mean I excuse his behavior with women. I am waiting until the facts of the case come out before I comment.

fansince'76
03-11-2010, 10:22 PM
My thoughts exactly. :thumbsup: If he is found to be innocent in this whole thing, alot of people are going to owe Big Ben a big apology.

And should be made to chug a few gallons of STFU.

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 10:23 PM
what do you want from him?? maybe he should just donate all his free time and not have a life.

Over the top, don't you think?

If Troy can do it and have a life, why can't Ben?

tony hipchest
03-11-2010, 10:23 PM
I know he's bought dogs for police departments. That may be his preferred cause.scoring ugly hookers for his police friends/bodyguards/designated drivers doesnt count. :wink02:

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 10:24 PM
prostitution is legal in Nevada..................what's your point?

Your right what does that have to do with making your point of ben being in so many wrong places....

Chidi29
03-11-2010, 10:26 PM
Here is the concern.. I have yet to read about something Ben has done for the good. Question? Can anyone post the good of Ben off the field? I am a diehard fan and I think nothing more of the Black and Gold, but this is just getting out of control with this idiot. Why do you act like this Ben? I do not support you! I support the team and the Nation. I do not care if he did not do these things. You put yourself in these situations. Grow up and show some P.R.I.D.E..

http://www.steelers.com/community/article-1/Local-Youth-Football-Team-Takes-Top-Billing/d8ebb37a-c20b-493b-bf73-98dc4aefbdfe

Before the Thomas Jefferson Little Jaguars left Pittsburgh for California to play in a national tournament, they got some words of encouragement from one of their biggest supporters, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger, who sponsored the trip for the team to play in the Big Dawg Bowl in Redlands, California, had a simple message. He told them to win.

And they did just that. The 10-year old team from the Pittsburgh area defeated the Glendale Bandits 21-6 to win the bowl in their age group.

The Little Jaguars almost didn’t get to play in the bowl, which is hosted by Steelers fan and rapper Snoop Dogg, because of finances. That is where Roethlisberger stepped in by paying all of the travel expenses for the team and coaches, continuing the commitment the NFL and Steelers have with youth football.

“To see the NFL send them to a game, their quarterback tell them go win one for me, I’m behind you. That is something I like to see,” said Jim Nassida, the Little Jaguars coach. “When you have the highest pinnacle of sports holding hands with its infancy stages, it ties it all together. It makes it all real. It gives a new perspective whether you are shooting to be an NFL player or just playing because you love the sport.

“He said he sponsored us because these kids love to play football and I want to give them the chance. The fact that we won it for him was awesome. He said these kids love the game and I want to give them the opportunity. If everyone would adopt that approach it couldn’t be anything but positive.”

The Little Jaguars, who sported uniforms reminiscent of Steelers throwback uniforms in the bowl game, earned an invitation to the Big Dawg Bowl by winning the South Suburban Youth Football League Super Bowl. They went on to face a major challenge, taking on the Glendale team that had won 58 straight games. But they weren’t fazed.

“For them to face this challenge, go across the country and face a team that hasn’t lost in eight years made me proud,” said Nassida. “It’s what youth sports is all about. They knew what they were out there to do, and they did it. They showed the type of football we play here in Western Pennsylvania.”

It was an experience they will never forget.

“When you get a chance to go out and represent your town, your Super Bowl winning quarterback, your city,” said Nassida. “It was a chance to see the people they usually root for root for them. They had the community and city behind them. To have the starting quarterback of your team out there giving you encouragement, I don’t think they could put it into words because I can’t.”

---------------------------------

It's sad, but not all that surprising, that whenever Ben does something good, it gets very little notice. For whatever reason, Ben has always had a bad rap of his relationship with the fans. Maybe it's just because the media loves to report the bad. Maybe it's because Pittsburgh's sports are under such a big microscope. I dunno. But Ben has been plenty nice and has shown it in instances where i have personally been there. Sure, there will be stories of him in a negative light, but if i had to guess, there's a lot more to the story and as someone else said, he can't accept every request asked of him.

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 10:26 PM
I haven't convicted him. I have more questions than anything. I am just trying to process this whole thing.

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 10:27 PM
Over the top, don't you think?

If Troy can do it and have a life, why can't Ben?

Ben does do it just google it . your just choosing to ignore it

Prok
03-11-2010, 10:27 PM
Remember the good old days when SteelerNation's biggest concerns RE: Ben was whether or not he:

A.) Held the ball too long.
B.) See A.

I miss those days.

lol..

You are not alone my friend.

:tt:

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 10:30 PM
Your right what does that have to do with making your point of ben being in so many wrong places....

Your original quote said that those places were legal and there was nothing wrong them.

Are you saying now they are wrong?

devilsdancefloor
03-11-2010, 10:30 PM
http://www.examiner.com/x-11533-Celebrity-Charity-Examiner~y2009m7d16-Ben-Big-Ben-Roethlisbergers-foundation-supports-police-k9-units-and-service-dogs

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_charity_work_does_ben_roethlisberger_do


http://www.toledoonthemove.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=117644

http://www.csdecisions.com/article/4138/sheetz-charity-adds-roethlisberger-to-lineup.html

http://www.wpxi.com/sports/19201432/detail.html

http://www.rmhcpgh.org/support.html

There are more, but he seems rather nice with his time and money. Again these guys have a life beside the NFL. As for someone coming out and defending ben well i would guess they do not want the grief that would accompany it. Also his lawyers probably do NOT want any of it. we all need to take a deep breath and chill out guilty or not guilty we will not know probably for several years on either case.

Prok
03-11-2010, 10:30 PM
http://www.steelers.com/community/article-1/Local-Youth-Football-Team-Takes-Top-Billing/d8ebb37a-c20b-493b-bf73-98dc4aefbdfe

Before the Thomas Jefferson Little Jaguars left Pittsburgh for California to play in a national tournament, they got some words of encouragement from one of their biggest supporters, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger, who sponsored the trip for the team to play in the Big Dawg Bowl in Redlands, California, had a simple message. He told them to win.

And they did just that. The 10-year old team from the Pittsburgh area defeated the Glendale Bandits 21-6 to win the bowl in their age group.

The Little Jaguars almost didn’t get to play in the bowl, which is hosted by Steelers fan and rapper Snoop Dogg, because of finances. That is where Roethlisberger stepped in by paying all of the travel expenses for the team and coaches, continuing the commitment the NFL and Steelers have with youth football.

“To see the NFL send them to a game, their quarterback tell them go win one for me, I’m behind you. That is something I like to see,” said Jim Nassida, the Little Jaguars coach. “When you have the highest pinnacle of sports holding hands with its infancy stages, it ties it all together. It makes it all real. It gives a new perspective whether you are shooting to be an NFL player or just playing because you love the sport.

“He said he sponsored us because these kids love to play football and I want to give them the chance. The fact that we won it for him was awesome. He said these kids love the game and I want to give them the opportunity. If everyone would adopt that approach it couldn’t be anything but positive.”

The Little Jaguars, who sported uniforms reminiscent of Steelers throwback uniforms in the bowl game, earned an invitation to the Big Dawg Bowl by winning the South Suburban Youth Football League Super Bowl. They went on to face a major challenge, taking on the Glendale team that had won 58 straight games. But they weren’t fazed.

“For them to face this challenge, go across the country and face a team that hasn’t lost in eight years made me proud,” said Nassida. “It’s what youth sports is all about. They knew what they were out there to do, and they did it. They showed the type of football we play here in Western Pennsylvania.”

It was an experience they will never forget.

“When you get a chance to go out and represent your town, your Super Bowl winning quarterback, your city,” said Nassida. “It was a chance to see the people they usually root for root for them. They had the community and city behind them. To have the starting quarterback of your team out there giving you encouragement, I don’t think they could put it into words because I can’t.”

---------------------------------

It's sad, but not all that surprising, that whenever Ben does something good, it gets very little notice. For whatever reason, Ben has always had a bad rap of his relationship with the fans. Maybe it's just because the media loves to report the bad. Maybe it's because Pittsburgh's sports are under such a big microscope. I dunno. But Ben has been plenty nice and has shown it in instances where i have personally been there. Sure, there will be stories of him in a negative light, but if i had to guess, there's a lot more to the story and as someone else said, he can't accept every request asked of him.

Great post Chidi. :drink:

tony hipchest
03-11-2010, 10:30 PM
night clubs and casinos are public places and are legal nothing ,wrong with going to them.unless you are a Christian who believes alcohol, gambling, and screwing loose women are vices of the devil. :evil:

nice shirt, ben. :noidea:

steeldawg
03-11-2010, 10:36 PM
Your original quote said that those places were legal and there was nothing wrong them.

Are you saying now they are wrong?

NO!! night clubs and casinos are not wrong they are public legal places that any american citizen of age is able to attend. Please stop trying to twist my words. I sad your right prostitution is legal in Nevada but i still dont know what that has to do with anything.

tony hipchest
03-11-2010, 10:36 PM
And should be made to chug a few gallons of STFU.or atleast a few bowl fulls

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/stfu2.jpg

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 10:39 PM
I know Ben does do those things.. We all know about it. In the business world Professionalism is defined as "doing the right thing when no one is looking"

that is interchangable in many aspects of life. It is great when the high profile people get the press and donate their wealth to disaster places and 3rd world country. Where I get impressed is those that are still in New Orleans today helping people rebuild their lives.

Look I just posted the article. Again, I haven't convicted Ben. I have a lot of questions Yesterday I posted on how I was still purplexed on the victim's accurate measurements of Ben. The facts aren't all out yet.

But as fast as you are at protecting Ben at ALL COSTS, you are even quicker to crucify those who are taking this all in.

Woodley56
03-11-2010, 10:42 PM
I think the issue w/ Ben's image is that while there ARE examples of his kindness / generosity to be found, you can't throw a dead cat w/o hitting 50 other stories depicting him as a master of dooshbaggery...much less an alleged criminal. And he got away w/ that for years...and as well he should of, I suppose...there is no "law" against sucking as a person...but when the allegations hit...well...the other "less than savory" aspects of his persona are just additional straws on an already weary camel's back.

Heart4Steelers
03-11-2010, 10:42 PM
NO!! night clubs and casinos are not wrong they are public legal places that any american citizen of age is able to attend. Please stop trying to twist my words. I sad your right prostitution is legal in Nevada but i still dont know what that has to do with anything.

I wasn't twisting your words. I just wanted confirmation.

I guess in our society, morals and values have different levels.

Just do what is right in your own eyes, right?

Psyychoward86
03-11-2010, 10:54 PM
I know Ben does do those things.. We all know about it. In the business world Professionalism is defined as "doing the right thing when no one is looking"

that is interchangable in many aspects of life. It is great when the high profile people get the press and donate their wealth to disaster places and 3rd world country. Where I get impressed is those that are still in New Orleans today helping people rebuild their lives.

Look I just posted the article. Again, I haven't convicted Ben. I have a lot of questions Yesterday I posted on how I was still purplexed on the victim's accurate measurements of Ben. The facts aren't all out yet.

But as fast as you are at protecting Ben at ALL COSTS, you are even quicker to crucify those who are taking this all in.



have you looked around lately? this place has gone apeshit AT Big Ben.

fansince'76
03-11-2010, 10:56 PM
have you looked around lately? this place has gone apeshit AT Big Ben.

Oh, no - people are just pondering the "what ifs." :rolleyes:

tony hipchest
03-11-2010, 10:56 PM
we post amongst angels....

Prok
03-11-2010, 11:00 PM
Think of it this way......

Every time we Steelers fans bicker and fight amongst ourselves, a clowns fan smiles......

This situation to clowns fans = HAPPY HOUR

Now I ask fellow Steelers fans this....Who in the world wants a clowns fan smiling ??

:hug: :wink02:

SteelCityMom
03-11-2010, 11:10 PM
I wasn't twisting your words. I just wanted confirmation.

I guess in our society, morals and values have different levels.

Just do what is right in your own eyes, right?

IMO, yes definitely. As long as you aren't harming someone else it doesn't bother me.

I could care less if Ben is the biggest ass in the universe and hates puppies on top of it, simple fact is him going to clubs and casinos and being the General of douches doesn't make him a criminal. It just makes him a jerk, who's really clutch when it comes to tossing the pigskin around.

OneForTheToe
03-11-2010, 11:16 PM
http://www.steelers.com/community/article-1/Local-Youth-Football-Team-Takes-Top-Billing/d8ebb37a-c20b-493b-bf73-98dc4aefbdfe

Before the Thomas Jefferson Little Jaguars left Pittsburgh for California to play in a national tournament, they got some words of encouragement from one of their biggest supporters, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger, who sponsored the trip for the team to play in the Big Dawg Bowl in Redlands, California, had a simple message. He told them to win.

And they did just that. The 10-year old team from the Pittsburgh area defeated the Glendale Bandits 21-6 to win the bowl in their age group.

The Little Jaguars almost didn’t get to play in the bowl, which is hosted by Steelers fan and rapper Snoop Dogg, because of finances. That is where Roethlisberger stepped in by paying all of the travel expenses for the team and coaches, continuing the commitment the NFL and Steelers have with youth football.

“To see the NFL send them to a game, their quarterback tell them go win one for me, I’m behind you. That is something I like to see,” said Jim Nassida, the Little Jaguars coach. “When you have the highest pinnacle of sports holding hands with its infancy stages, it ties it all together. It makes it all real. It gives a new perspective whether you are shooting to be an NFL player or just playing because you love the sport.

“He said he sponsored us because these kids love to play football and I want to give them the chance. The fact that we won it for him was awesome. He said these kids love the game and I want to give them the opportunity. If everyone would adopt that approach it couldn’t be anything but positive.”

The Little Jaguars, who sported uniforms reminiscent of Steelers throwback uniforms in the bowl game, earned an invitation to the Big Dawg Bowl by winning the South Suburban Youth Football League Super Bowl. They went on to face a major challenge, taking on the Glendale team that had won 58 straight games. But they weren’t fazed.

“For them to face this challenge, go across the country and face a team that hasn’t lost in eight years made me proud,” said Nassida. “It’s what youth sports is all about. They knew what they were out there to do, and they did it. They showed the type of football we play here in Western Pennsylvania.”

It was an experience they will never forget.

“When you get a chance to go out and represent your town, your Super Bowl winning quarterback, your city,” said Nassida. “It was a chance to see the people they usually root for root for them. They had the community and city behind them. To have the starting quarterback of your team out there giving you encouragement, I don’t think they could put it into words because I can’t.”

---------------------------------

It's sad, but not all that surprising, that whenever Ben does something good, it gets very little notice. For whatever reason, Ben has always had a bad rap of his relationship with the fans. Maybe it's just because the media loves to report the bad. Maybe it's because Pittsburgh's sports are under such a big microscope. I dunno. But Ben has been plenty nice and has shown it in instances where i have personally been there. Sure, there will be stories of him in a negative light, but if i had to guess, there's a lot more to the story and as someone else said, he can't accept every request asked of him.

That's a really nice story. I wonder if one of the kids Moms had nice boobs?:noidea:

steelerdude15
03-11-2010, 11:22 PM
He did do the charity thing for that paralyzed kid... if he doesn't like kids, let him go, not that big of a deal. I mean, it's a great thing to help children out, especially underprivileged children, but you can't force anyone to something they don't want to do.

mesaSteeler
03-11-2010, 11:26 PM
He did do the charity thing for that paralyzed kid... if he doesn't like kids, let him go, not that big of a deal. I mean, it's a great thing to help children out, especially underprivileged children, but you can't force anyone to something they don't want to do.

Here is the video link. http://ballhype.com/video/my_wish_be...er_espn_video/

ricksteelers55
03-11-2010, 11:32 PM
Funny how people can be blinded by their love for Roethlisberger.I bet that if Ocho Cinco,Ray Lewis or Tom Brady did something like that you guys wouldnt act the same way.

I'm a steeler fan and even if Ben didnt do it and will probably be free of charges because they will say that the girl lied to get in and lied to get drunk so she might be lying on these allegations also...the fact for me is that Ben is just selfish and stupid.

And yes if we win a super bowl and he is the MVP of that SB i wont be mad that we win it,but I've lost my love for the man and confidence in his judgement.

You guys keep bashing other teams like the bungals for being criminals and all that stuff...guess what I'd rather have 2 or 3 guys charged with D.U.I than having 1 guy charged with 2 sexual cases.We have to be honnest as fans...is he acting like a Pittsburgh Steeler ? Do we have different ways to deal with things?(good players have second chances and okay players like Cedrick Wilson gets cut ?)

If Big Ben happens to be guilty I want him out of this team,and if he is not guilty the next time he does something stupid he needs to be out of this team period.

I dont mind if we have losing seasons for 10 years,the organisation would stand up against selfish acts like that.

You are a 100 million dollar man,you are a nice looking man you get hot girls in the showbusiness that you know wont do you any problems...why do you go get girls in nightclubs? are you freakin out of your mind ? you have to be one of the dumbest man I've seen....you can get almost any women that you want.....Are we talkin about the guy who used to date sexy Natalie Gulbis? HOW LOW CAN YOU GO ......

I hope the Rooneys already talked to you.....

Now I bet I will get smash for making such comments on Saint Ben who can do whatever he wants and still be the king of steelernation.....well go ahead people,I'd rather tell my son that the best model the Steelers have to offer is Troy Polamalu and get rid of Ben's jersey

SteelCityMom
03-11-2010, 11:33 PM
And those kind of actions can get you tossed just like the pigskins he throws.


Haha...really? Going clubbing and going to casinos can get you tossed? You should tell that to Porter and some other Steelers players who have been into the club I used to own.

Better yet, tell it to Malkin and many of the other Pens players who go out drinking and clubbing on a regular basis. As far as I know, just partying never got anyone thrown out of any league.

steelerdude15
03-11-2010, 11:38 PM
Here is the video link. http://ballhype.com/video/my_wish_be...er_espn_video/
Yes, thank you mesa, I've seen it before and it was really nice he did it. Like I said... can't force someone to do something if they don't want to.

steelerdude15
03-11-2010, 11:50 PM
P.S. Bad day today in Pburgh... Pirates lose in Spring Training, Pen's lose to Canes and all we hear is this crap all day about Big Ben. I'm just a little stressed..
And Pitt lost too...

steelpride12
03-12-2010, 12:06 AM
And Pitt lost too...

You surprised they blew it AGAIN this season?!

RoethlisBURGHer
03-12-2010, 12:19 AM
First off, a person the status of Ben Roethlisberger isn't going to stay at a Motel 8. A Motel 8 isn't going to give the level of PROTECTION that a high profile person needs when staying out of town. In Nevada, most of the fancy hotels with VIP suites are hotels and casinos.

And about the autograph thing, a lot of famous people don't like signing autographs. It used to be a collectors item, know they end up on EBAY and people make a big profit off of it. One of my good friends does it. These people do have lives outside of their career. Many don't give autographs because you can only give so many, especially before or after a practice or game, and then you leave those that didn't get one with a bad taste in their mouth....I wonder how many of those people spout off with "Ben Roethlisberger is a douchebag" stories every chance they get.

In the end, all that ever makes the news these days are the negative stories. A few years ago Big Ben bought a dog for the police department of every city the Steelers visited. In the Cleveland Plain Dealer the week before Pittsburgh traveled to Cleveland, all the press that generated was a tiny article in the back of the sports section. Now if the week leading up to that game he was accused of doing something illegal....it would have been a huge story all week long in the Plain Dealer.

Also, who is this Steigerwald guy? I have never heard of him before. Why should I care what his opinion is?

pittguy578
03-12-2010, 12:23 AM
Yes...I would get sick and tired if people asked me for an autograph everywhere I go. Ben is the QB of the Steelers and by virtue of their popularity, is one of the most recognizable faces in sports across the country. It's not like he is QBing the Lions or the Bengals. Ben is probably more popular than Jesus in the Pittsburgh area. It's sad but true .

RoethlisBURGHer
03-12-2010, 12:36 AM
Yes...I would get sick and tired if people asked me for an autograph everywhere I go. Ben is the QB of the Steelers and by virtue of their popularity, is one of the most recognizable faces in sports across the country. It's not like he is QBing the Lions or the Bengals. Ben is probably more popular than Jesus in the Pittsburgh area. It's sad but true .

:rofl: It's true!

I personally would hate to be asked for autographs and pictures every single time I left my house. I can't imagine how big name athletes and other celebs feel when all they want to do is eat dinner, but people ask them for stuff.

But to Joe Fan, it's no big deal to interrupt someone's meal because you want them to sign your napkin. And if the celeb refuses, they are automatically a jerk who can never ever do any good in their life.

Heart4Steelers
03-12-2010, 12:44 AM
:rofl: It's true!

I personally would hate to be asked for autographs and pictures every single time I left my house. I can't imagine how big name athletes and other celebs feel when all they want to do is eat dinner, but people ask them for stuff.

But to Joe Fan, it's no big deal to interrupt someone's meal because you want them to sign your napkin. And if the celeb refuses, they are automatically a jerk who can never ever do any good in their life.


I know that Joe Greene didn't give autographs. Instead, he would sit and talk to a kid. To me, that is worth more

pittguy578
03-12-2010, 01:09 AM
I know that Joe Greene didn't give autographs. Instead, he would sit and talk to a kid. To me, that is worth more

Yes..I also think the privacy of the players was more respected back then..the privacy of everyone was more respected back then. Now players are under media scrutiny 24/7.
If they make one bad move or ignore one fan or do something stupid, it will either be on Facebook, Twitter, a forum like this, or in a local blog/paper. Totally different era. Players now are under a constant pressure cooker.

steelerdude15
03-12-2010, 02:24 AM
Yes..I also think the privacy of the players was more respected back then..the privacy of everyone was more respected back then. Now players are under media scrutiny 24/7.
If they make one bad move or ignore one fan or do something stupid, it will either be on Facebook, Twitter, a forum like this, or in a local blog/paper. Totally different era. Players now are under a constant pressure cooker.
:iagree:

stillers4me
03-12-2010, 06:53 AM
http://www.steelers.com/community/article-1/Local-Youth-Football-Team-Takes-Top-Billing/d8ebb37a-c20b-493b-bf73-98dc4aefbdfe

Before the Thomas Jefferson Little Jaguars left Pittsburgh for California to play in a national tournament, they got some words of encouragement from one of their biggest supporters, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger, who sponsored the trip for the team to play in the Big Dawg Bowl in Redlands, California, had a simple message. He told them to win.

And they did just that. The 10-year old team from the Pittsburgh area defeated the Glendale Bandits 21-6 to win the bowl in their age group.

The Little Jaguars almost didn’t get to play in the bowl, which is hosted by Steelers fan and rapper Snoop Dogg, because of finances. That is where Roethlisberger stepped in by paying all of the travel expenses for the team and coaches, continuing the commitment the NFL and Steelers have with youth football.

“To see the NFL send them to a game, their quarterback tell them go win one for me, I’m behind you. That is something I like to see,” said Jim Nassida, the Little Jaguars coach. “When you have the highest pinnacle of sports holding hands with its infancy stages, it ties it all together. It makes it all real. It gives a new perspective whether you are shooting to be an NFL player or just playing because you love the sport.

“He said he sponsored us because these kids love to play football and I want to give them the chance. The fact that we won it for him was awesome. He said these kids love the game and I want to give them the opportunity. If everyone would adopt that approach it couldn’t be anything but positive.”

The Little Jaguars, who sported uniforms reminiscent of Steelers throwback uniforms in the bowl game, earned an invitation to the Big Dawg Bowl by winning the South Suburban Youth Football League Super Bowl. They went on to face a major challenge, taking on the Glendale team that had won 58 straight games. But they weren’t fazed.

“For them to face this challenge, go across the country and face a team that hasn’t lost in eight years made me proud,” said Nassida. “It’s what youth sports is all about. They knew what they were out there to do, and they did it. They showed the type of football we play here in Western Pennsylvania.”

It was an experience they will never forget.

“When you get a chance to go out and represent your town, your Super Bowl winning quarterback, your city,” said Nassida. “It was a chance to see the people they usually root for root for them. They had the community and city behind them. To have the starting quarterback of your team out there giving you encouragement, I don’t think they could put it into words because I can’t.”

---------------------------------

It's sad, but not all that surprising, that whenever Ben does something good, it gets very little notice. For whatever reason, Ben has always had a bad rap of his relationship with the fans. Maybe it's just because the media loves to report the bad. Maybe it's because Pittsburgh's sports are under such a big microscope. I dunno. But Ben has been plenty nice and has shown it in instances where i have personally been there. Sure, there will be stories of him in a negative light, but if i had to guess, there's a lot more to the story and as someone else said, he can't accept every request asked of him.

I have tried to post a link to this story several times and it never gets posted. Florio will never paint Ben in a good light.

zulater
03-12-2010, 07:18 AM
I never cared much for Steigerwald, I remember he had a huge mancrush on Kordell, he liked to play the race card against Kordell's doubters.

As to all the piling on of Ben for his public persona, it's simple really, if you're not with his group when he goes out, it's probably best to stay away and not bother him. And Ben obviously has some charities that he's into, but it's his time and his right to turn down the ones he doesn't want to bother with. I'm sorry for that girl or whatever, but try Troy or Aaron or Sid Crosby if Ben turns you down, don't go cry to the media.

No one has the right to assume anyone else's time no matter how tragic their situiation might be.

Rick5895
03-12-2010, 07:38 AM
As fans of the Steelers, and in fact any teams fans, we all certainly "bury our heads in the sand" when it comes to the team and the players on that team. In Ben's case, there is going to be allot of "piling on" with respect to his character. Innocence won't matter with regard to the hit his reputation and character are taking. There are plenty of accounts where BB has been generous, there are also a number of accounts where Ben is an ass.
Going to night clubs is legal, any red blooded man or woman should be able to attend these clubs and have fun.
Ben, though, has a rape civil suit pending, going to a college club, using a VIP room and inviting only ladies back to visit him is a recipe for disaster.
Ben can't keep making these questionable choices, they reflect on his character. AND ON THE STEELERS. If he continues to make these choices people are going to pile on him.

stillers4me
03-12-2010, 07:46 AM
It's Friday. I wonder how many profenssional football, basketball and baseball players will be in clubs in VIP rooms this weekend? I'm thinking fans would be surprised to know the truth.

vtw8lftr
03-12-2010, 08:34 AM
I think we are going to draft Thomas or Mclain in the first round... oh wait this thread is about predicting how Big Ben lives his life outside of football... my bad... back to your regularly scheduled Ben bash :wink02:

ETL
03-12-2010, 09:03 AM
I don't care if Ben is the biggest a-hole in the world. All I care about is him helping the Steelers win. Wanting anything more from him is idiotic. If you want a role model go to church or something.

There are so many Steeler fans who take pride in some false notion that the "steeler way" is more noble or upright. That's idiotic. The steeler way is just good business and it works not to bring in head cases and thugs but that's all it is, a way to do business and winning is the only thing that matters.

His actions may hurt the team and that is bad. But to go further and call him names like this Steigerwald douche bag is useless. He has some other agenda. He's acting like a jilted lover.

All I care about is Steelers football and the minute Ben leaves and wears another teams uniform is when I stop caring about him all together.

klick81
03-12-2010, 10:27 AM
Breaking News:

Ben forgot to feed a litter of puppies one time, and now the puppies are forever scarred.

Prok
03-12-2010, 10:47 AM
Breaking News:

Ben forgot to feed a litter of puppies one time, and now the puppies are forever scarred.

haha

I think having been accused of something this horrible a SECOND time has pretty much ruined Ben's reputation even if he's innocent. It's definately touched a nerve with society as a whole and probably rightfully so. I mean I can't really blame some ppl for having bad feelings.

I just don't see any ending to this that'll be good for Ben, unfortunately.

plenewken
03-12-2010, 11:00 AM
my view is this.. he's an asshole, but i don't care. .................. i own a Big Ben jersey and wear it nearly every Sunday and will continue to do so as long as he is not found guilty.

Why do you wear a jersey with the name of an @sshole on the back?

Steeldude
03-12-2010, 11:29 AM
there have always been rumblings about BR's character/attitude. IMO, he appears to be arrogant/****y and self-absorbed, but those aren't necessarily reasons to cut or not draft a person who could help your team. i have found BR to be somewhat over-rated at times. i know the die-hard BR fans don't like to hear that, but it's how i personally feel. i am not saying he is a bad QB or even below average, so put your rocks down :smile:

if he is found guilty and is cut, then so be it. if he is innocent, then all is well and they can get back to the SB hunt.

devilsdancefloor
03-12-2010, 11:51 AM
there have always been rumblings about BR's character/attitude. IMO, he appears to be arrogant/****y and self-absorbed, but those aren't necessarily reasons to cut or not draft a person who could help your team. i have found BR to be somewhat over-rated at times. i know the die-hard BR fans don't like to hear that, but it's how i personally feel. i am not saying he is a bad QB or even below average, so put your rocks down :smile:

if he is found guilty and is cut, then so be it. if he is innocent, then all is well and they can get back to the SB hunt.

we ALL know you are just wanting kordell top un-retire so he can come back. those are your true feeling it is ok steeldude you can admit we are all friends here:wink02:

stb_steeler
03-12-2010, 01:46 PM
I have to call total BS on this Steigerwald clown. All he has is hearsay crap. Watch the my wish video from the link below and then tell me that Ben does not help kids.

http://ballhype.com/video/my_wish_ben_roethlisberger_espn_video/

Note the above statement does not mean I excuse his behavior with women. I am waiting until the facts of the case come out before I comment.

Good post, havent seen this one... Just because a pro athlete turns down one fan doesnt mean he wont do others....Imagine if Ben or any other did every charity asked, they wouldnt have time to themselves. And i sure as hell dont believe he's made out to be this vulgar bad ass some think him to be.

Fire Haley
03-12-2010, 01:56 PM
Schefter has this blog up on twitter now - it's going nationwide.

A respected Pittsburgh broadcaster voices his feelings on Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger.

Steeldude
03-12-2010, 02:16 PM
we ALL know you are just wanting kordell top un-retire so he can come back. those are your true feeling it is ok steeldude you can admit we are all friends here:wink02:

either him or ryan leaf to make a comeback :smile:

Michael Keller
03-12-2010, 02:20 PM
Ben is 28 years old or therabout. It does appear that he can be a jerk. It also appears that he does not feel accountable for his social behavior, or behavior in society. Now some one must make him be accountable. The law may. I hope not . The Rooney's , Steeler management and the coach must now FOR SURE.

At best he deserves one more chance. Driving a motor cycle without a license, no helmet on, Tahoe court case, the Georgia 20 year old girl . It is safe to say that Ben needs to grow up and behave responsbly befitting his role as a leader of not only the football team but the community of Pittsburgh and the general community at large.

CALL HIM IN, SIT HIM DOWN AND TELL HIM ONE MORE TIME , YOUR GONE BUT DON'T LET TOMILIN DO IT BECAUSE MY IMPRESSION OF TOMLIN IS THAT HE IS A BIG BULL SHITTER WHO DOES NOT BACK UP HIS WORD. LET ART ROONEY TELL HIM.

Prok
03-12-2010, 02:39 PM
Schefter has this blog up on twitter now - it's going nationwide.

A respected Pittsburgh broadcaster voices his feelings on Steelers QB Ben Roethlisberger.

Which is exactly what steigerwald wanted imo. if he wanted to help Ben when he supposedly realized he was an ass he should have spoke up then. Not speak up when there is national attention.

OneForTheToe
03-12-2010, 03:07 PM
Which is exactly what steigerwald wanted imo. if he wanted to help Ben when he supposedly realized he was an ass he should have spoke up then. Not speak up when there is national attention.


Actually , Steigerwald has never liked Ben and rarely has made a secret of it. If you ever watched the Sunday Night Show on KDKA, when he was on, he would often make comparisons, when Ben was struggling, between Ben and Kordell Stewart - usually pointing out that Ben's play wasn't any better.

Some of what Steigerwald said has a ring of truth to it, but I'd be careful about taking Steigerwald too seriously. He is a curmudgeon. :old:And, for that matter, has been one most of his career. I enjoy listening to him, but a little of him goes a long way.

I still remember listening to him one time comment on the WNBA. He said if god had wanted girls to play basketball, he would have put a washer and dryer under the basket. :footinmou :toofunny: Look, do I agree with what he said ? No, of course not. I enjoy girls sports, particularly in the Olympics (the girls hockey was awesome), but I am kind of happy to see some non-political correctness. Like I said, a little of Steigerwald is more than enough.

Indo
03-12-2010, 04:37 PM
For those of you asking who John Steigerwald is----

he is a radio/news/sports anchor personality in Pittsburgh

GOOGLE him

Here's an article (dated 2007) with a photo of him


http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07107/778601-194.stm

GodfatherofSoul
03-12-2010, 04:52 PM
night clubs and casinos are public places and are legal nothing ,wrong with going to them.

No, only the self-righteous dipweeds trolling the interwebz are allowed to go into bars and casinos. Famous people are supposed to hide in their houses until we want them to entertain us.

Fire Haley
03-12-2010, 06:21 PM
I remember the innocent goode olde days when our biggest concern with ben was his holding the ball too long

Prok
03-12-2010, 06:28 PM
I just don't like this crap one bit. It's called piling on in my book.

And i don't like the Pittsburgh TV stations supposedly having "breaking news" and "sources" claiming this or that. It's sensationalism imo and this story has made major headlines on a national level so you could easily see these types of reports and blogs getting much more attention now. But eh, that's just how I feel about it.

:noidea:

HometownGal
03-12-2010, 06:45 PM
I just don't like this crap one bit. It's called piling on in my book.

And i don't like the Pittsburgh TV stations supposedly having "breaking news" and "sources" claiming this or that. It's sensationalism imo and this story has made major headlines on a national level so you could easily see these types of reports and blogs getting much more attention now. But eh, that's just how I feel about it.

:noidea:

Well - look at it this way buddy. It keeps the POTUS and his gag-me-with-a-spork health care reform package off center stage - at least here in the Burgh. :thumbsup: :chuckle:

chacha
03-12-2010, 06:50 PM
Well - look at it this way buddy. It keeps the POTUS and his gag-me-with-a-spork health care reform package off center stage - at least here in the Burgh. :thumbsup: :chuckle:

well lets face it the media doesnt really care about anything like that anyway, they'd rather talk about Tiger Woods and now this

Prok
03-12-2010, 07:00 PM
Well - look at it this way buddy. It keeps the POTUS and his gag-me-with-a-spork health care reform package off center stage - at least here in the Burgh. :thumbsup: :chuckle:

haha

I'm up in cleveland on business and i talk to my fam back home and they say ya can't watch channel 2, 4, 11, 19, 22, 53 without constant Ben watch so u got a point.

My mom is bitching she can't even enjoy tv anymore. now i ask is it right to take that from a little old lady? Shame on Pittsburgh media they are all scumbags. lol

SteelerFanInTX210
03-12-2010, 07:46 PM
I think probably 95% of the nfl athletes, no make that 95% off all pro althletes are jackasses like this, and would shrug you or me or anyone off, this really isn't a big deal (just the being a jackass part not the sexual assault), we love the Steelers and we love the different personas that make up the team, but 99% don't know these people or what they are REALLY about.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
03-12-2010, 09:02 PM
I wonder if Steigerwald was kissing Ben's "jack ass" when he brought home those two super bowl trophies?

fansince'76
03-12-2010, 09:04 PM
No, only the self-righteous dipweeds trolling the interwebz are allowed to go into bars and casinos. Famous people are supposed to hide in their houses until we want them to entertain us.

:iagree: :applaudit: :thumbsup: :drink:

HometownGal
03-12-2010, 09:24 PM
No, only the self-righteous dipweeds trolling the interwebz are allowed to go into bars and casinos. Famous people are supposed to hide in their houses until we want them to entertain us.

You're killin' me here. :toofunny::rofl::toofunny:

Fire Haley
03-12-2010, 10:07 PM
For the record, I think Ben needs a nice Catholic/Russian/Polish meat & potatoes girl.

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/look-at-me.jpg

Form a line girls, take one for the team.

Shea
03-13-2010, 12:50 AM
Not a lawyer, but from what I've been reading, this could take weeks or even months before a criminal charge will or won't be filled against Ben so stories such as this are probably just the beginning of what we'll see in the near future.

Pandora's box has been opened.

Oh, no - people are just pondering the "what ifs." :rolleyes:

Isn't that what message boards are about? They're here to discuss the issues of the team, and other matters in which we all might have in common, and therefore will often include the "what ifs". Healthy or not, "what ifs" often find their way within our minds.

It's human nature, and it's OK ..... really!

Relax.

Heart4Steelers
03-13-2010, 01:23 AM
Not a lawyer, but from what I've been reading, this could take weeks or even months before a criminal charge will or won't be filled against Ben so stories such as this are probably just the beginning of what we'll see in the near future.

Pandora's box has been opened.



Isn't that what message boards are about? They're here to discuss the issues of the team, and other matters in which we all might have in common, and therefore will often include the "what ifs". Healthy or not, "what ifs" often find their way within our minds.

It's human nature, and it's OK ..... really!

Relax.

Exactly. While one is tryig to make sense of this madness, it is unfavorably looked upon by others.

urgle burgle
03-13-2010, 09:08 AM
scoring ugly hookers for his police friends/bodyguards/designated drivers doesnt count. :wink02:


why not? now thats a cause i can get behind.....especially if im on the gettin' end...:tt:

urgle burgle
03-13-2010, 09:13 AM
You surprised they blew it AGAIN this season?!


cut jamie some slack...it was just the big east tourney, not the big dance. although we were a bit disappointed last year, dont forget that was the first time they have EVER made it to the elite eight. lets see how things go....but my Mountaineers are in the championship, so theres that...

HometownGal
03-13-2010, 07:43 PM
Isn't that what message boards are about? They're here to discuss the issues of the team, and other matters in which we all might have in common, and therefore will often include the "what ifs". Healthy or not, "what ifs" often find their way within our minds.

It's human nature, and it's OK ..... really!

Relax.

Thank you Dr. Shea. :buttkick:

I have no problem with what ifs and I don't believe Gary does either. What we (and others) have a problem with is the same broken record, beating a dead horse, never ending what ifs that permeate the Steelers forum, i.e. Ben drama #2. :willy: If I didn't want an overflowing PM box from OP's B & M'ing, I would have merged every single one of the Ben threads :banging:

Shea
03-14-2010, 12:57 AM
Thank you Dr. Shea. :buttkick:

I have no problem with what ifs and I don't believe Gary does either. What we (and others) have a problem with is the same broken record, beating a dead horse, never ending what ifs that permeate the Steelers forum, i.e. Ben drama #2. :willy: If I didn't want an overflowing PM box from OP's B & M'ing, I would have merged every single one of the Ben threads :banging:

Sorry, didn't mean to kick your puppy when expressing my thoughts on this.

There seems to be an abundance and high percentage of negative posts from a certain member that often has a rude tone in response to other people's posts that are heavily peppered with :rolleyes: and the personal excessively used favorite of :coffee: which is dismissive and rude in itself.

Some members want the negativity and bitching to stop, yet people are ironically being bombarded with negativity and bitching from this person because they aren't up to positive snuff.

There seems to be an ongoing fued about people bitching and people finding it ironic that their bitching is being bitched about.

How about we just all play, and I'm not referring to you, a little nicer and let people say what they want to say without having them being dismissed or categorized?

I apologize HTG if I offended you. But that's how I feel about it. Just my :twocents:

fansince'76
03-14-2010, 01:09 AM
Isn't that what message boards are about? They're here to discuss the issues of the team, and other matters in which we all might have in common, and therefore will often include the "what ifs". Healthy or not, "what ifs" often find their way within our minds.

It's human nature, and it's OK ..... really!

Relax.

It's called sarcasm. "What ifs" aren't what I have the problem with. What I have a problem with are people who have tried, sentenced and convicted Roethlisberger before he's even been charged. I didn't realize I had to draw a picture.

Deep breaths.

Shea
03-14-2010, 01:15 AM
It's called "sarcasm." Deep breaths.

My breathing is fine thanks, and it doesn't come off as sarcasm at all.

Sorry if I'm reading you wrong, but as I've stated above, the way you come across in your posts is often rude.

Again, I apologize if I'm getting this wrong but that's how my eyes see it.

Shea
03-14-2010, 01:17 AM
It's called sarcasm. "What ifs" aren't what I have the problem with. What I have a problem with are people who have tried, sentenced and convicted Roethlisberger before he's even been charged. I didn't realize I had to draw a picture.
Deep breaths.

Ummmm, according to a poll here the majority aren't convicting him of anything other than putting himself in a stupid situation to where this has become a story.

I don't need a picture drawn but maybe you do?

fansince'76
03-14-2010, 01:20 AM
Ummmm, according to a poll here the majority aren't convicting him of anything other than putting himself in a stupid situation to where this has become a story.

I don't need a picture drawn but maybe you do?

Yeah, that's why I see so many threads and posts saying "Ben needs to go!" Hell, the thread you mentioned was started with that very sentiment. Like to try again?

Shea
03-14-2010, 01:33 AM
Yeah, that's why I see so many threads and posts saying "Ben needs to go!" Hell, the thread you mentioned was started with that very sentiment. Like to try again?

Sure. See that snitty attitude you have. It's typical of you - which is my point.

And in that mentioned thread didn't I just state that the majority of fans felt - I believe somewhere amongst the like of 5 in in favor and 50 not - to not convict the guy yet?

Of course you are going to have some fans that take it way to far, but this isn't the only thread about you that I'm referring to so it's irrelevant.

Your :coffee: :rolleyes: infect the majority of your posts in ALL THREADS in which you choose to post here, therefore I find it hypocritical for you to come at people with those sentiments with the highty attitude of being above it all.:rolleyes::coffee:

fansince'76
03-14-2010, 01:37 AM
Sure. See that snitty attitude you have. It's typical of you - which is my point.

And in that mentioned thread didn't I just state that the majority of fans felt - I believe somewhere amongst the like of 5 in in favor and 50 not - to not convict the guy yet?

Of course you are going to have some fans that take it way to far, but this isn't the only thread about you that I'm referring to so it's irrelevant.

Your :coffee: :rolleyes: infect the majority of your posts in ALL THREADS in which you choose to post here, therefore I find it hypocritical for you to come at people with those sentiments with the highty attitude of being above it all.:rolleyes::coffee:

Nice lecture in the same patronizing, condescending tone you accuse me of infecting every thread I post in with. :applaudit:

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 01:57 AM
i hope we dont get to the point where any discussion of big ben on a steelersboard is outlawed.

much like arians was, it is a popular topic right now, and what the majority wishes to dicuss, ( though i understand a messageboard is not a democracy).

however, the fact that a thread on the steelers current salary cap only gets a single response shows a finger on the pulse of what is the most interresting topic lately.

not even a single mention if randle el is worth the $2 mil salary he was brought back for. :noidea:

even discussing the draft is pretty much a back room topic.

maybe we should all just talk about getting rid of steeley mcbeam or bringing back cheerleaders (i.e. something EVERYONE can agree upon) :cheer:

:coffee:

fansince'76
03-14-2010, 03:00 AM
Or maybe we can just hypocritcally bust on all the "cheerleaders" around here in our own "clever" little social groups.

JEFF4i
03-14-2010, 03:02 AM
Snitty isn't really a word.

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 03:06 AM
"our own"?

social groups are an open book, free to all (atleast the only one that i participate in, is).

i dont see anything hypocritical in posting something there that i wouldnt tell someone to their face... :coffee:

hypocritical might be being a mod who is unwilling to assist a member add an avatar, or even dignify them with a response. :rolleyes:

fansince'76
03-14-2010, 03:11 AM
Hypocritical in the sense that they engage in the same sort of behavior there that they are so quick to vocally criticize others for on the open board. Simple, really.

Shea
03-14-2010, 03:21 AM
hypocritical might be being a mod who is unwilling to assist a member add an avatar, or even dignify them with a response. :rolleyes:

I so get this.

Not trying to pile on FS, but this rings true.

I personally asked for help in quoting not only the original post of someone but the post of the reply to it since it helps to express a point.

I've since seen that you know this trick, yet you never answered my question in that feedback section.

Isn't that what a moderator should do?

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 03:29 AM
Hypocritical in the sense that they engage in the same sort of behavior there that they are so quick to vocally criticize others for on the open board. Simple, really.c'mon fansince...

i have never made disparaging remarks about this board or its members, or threatened to leave this board, or even hinted that i need a break from this board and its members.

i happen to enjoy this board and the members who post here. it is a tiny slice of steelernation that some people isolated in other parts of the world, such as the newer mexico, dont get to enjoy on a daily basis.

however i do see people who take steelerfandom for granted, and are above and beyond us simpletons who appreciate and enjoy the closeness and commaradarie the world wide web has afforded us, even though we may not always agree on all subjects. :noidea:

plus i was threatened for discussing the veracity of articles pertaining to arians on the open forum.

fansince'76
03-14-2010, 03:31 AM
I so get this.

Not trying to pile on FS, but this rings true.

I personally asked for help in quoting not only the original post of someone but the post of the reply to it since it helps to express a point.

I've since seen that you know this trick, yet you never answered my question in that feedback section.

Isn't that what a moderator should do?

Is this the thread? http://www.steelersfever.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43469 I missed this one, and I'm assuming Mike(?) closed it after Tony answered it?

No problem - Marianne and I are pretty used to being "piled on."

To answer your question, you need to "enclose" one quote inside the other, like so:

hypocritical might be being a mod who is unwilling to assist a member add an avatar, or even dignify them with a response. :rolleyes:

I so get this.

Not trying to pile on FS, but this rings true.

I personally asked for help in quoting not only the original post of someone but the post of the reply to it since it helps to express a point.

I've since seen that you know this trick, yet you never answered my question in that feedback section.

Isn't that what a moderator should do?

So the end result looks like this:

hypocritical might be being a mod who is unwilling to assist a member add an avatar, or even dignify them with a response. :rolleyes:

I so get this.

Not trying to pile on FS, but this rings true.

I personally asked for help in quoting not only the original post of someone but the post of the reply to it since it helps to express a point.

I've since seen that you know this trick, yet you never answered my question in that feedback section.

Isn't that what a moderator should do?

Sorry the "code" brackets didn't make it look cleaner.

devilsdancefloor
03-14-2010, 04:10 AM
I reaaaally thin everyone needs to step back and read wtf they are posting! WE are all on the same side for the most part. Crap like this just make people want to leave and not come back or not even engage in discussion. It has to be hard on the mods because there are 50 threads started about Ben. Also hard on the folks who visit regularly, because you post in one thread and you have to read threw 50 post about it in another it has become a circus the past week.I think if you look at the majority of post we stand behind Ben until proven guilty. It is the few that the sky is falling that is driving all a bit nuts at the moment, but if you look seriously look a lot of those posters are not here on a regular basis or new all together.Maybe it is time to take a break until the draft :noidea: .

Texasteel
03-14-2010, 08:49 AM
i hope we dont get to the point where any discussion of big ben on a steelersboard is outlawed.

much like arians was, it is a popular topic right now, and what the majority wishes to dicuss, ( though i understand a messageboard is not a democracy).

however, the fact that a thread on the steelers current salary cap only gets a single response shows a finger on the pulse of what is the most interresting topic lately.

not even a single mention if randle el is worth the $2 mil salary he was brought back for. :noidea:

even discussing the draft is pretty much a back room topic.

maybe we should all just talk about getting rid of steeley mcbeam or bringing back cheerleaders (i.e. something EVERYONE can agree upon) :cheer:

:coffee:



If we start getting identical threads on the same topic over and over again, as we did with the BA threads. They should be combined or closed. Sometimes it hard to sift through what all is being said when it is scattered here and there, and opening three or four threads that state the same thing can get a little irritating. IMO some start threads just to see their names under them.

I seems this thread is starting to boil down to a "lets bad mouth the Mods for a while" Which seems to happen too ofter around here. They are call about everything you can think of by some. Now they have been called hypocritical, which seems to have become the favorite word for some here.

I for one will state, as I have many times, that IMO our mods do an outstanding job on this board. In fact there has been many times that they are the main reason I have stayed here. Some may have forgotten the spam infection we had not long ago when the two of them took shifts day and night to try to keep this place clean. I mention this only to show the dedication they have too this board and to us. I honestly think that they deserve much better that they often get.

Texasteel
03-14-2010, 08:58 AM
I so get this.

Not trying to pile on FS, but this rings true.

I personally asked for help in quoting not only the original post of someone but the post of the reply to it since it helps to express a point.

I've since seen that you know this trick, yet you never answered my question in that feedback section.

Isn't that what a moderator should do?


I have never sent a mod a PM that they have never answered. It may take some time as they get messages from many other members, and can't dedicate themselves to just one or two people. Plus they have to scan at least most of the post here, or once again get blasted for not doing their voluntary jobs. We just sometimes get a little impatient.

I believer that is what a moderator should do.

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 02:45 PM
If we start getting identical threads on the same topic over and over again, as we did with the BA threads. They should be combined or closed. Sometimes it hard to sift through what all is being said when it is scattered here and there, and opening three or four threads that state the same thing can get a little irritating. IMO some start threads just to see their names under them.

I seems this thread is starting to boil down to a "lets bad mouth the Mods for a while" Which seems to happen too ofter around here. They are call about everything you can think of by some. Now they have been called hypocritical, which seems to have become the favorite word for some here.

I for one will state, as I have many times, that IMO our mods do an outstanding job on this board. In fact there has been many times that they are the main reason I have stayed here. Some may have forgotten the spam infection we had not long ago when the two of them took shifts day and night to try to keep this place clean. I mention this only to show the dedication they have too this board and to us. I honestly think that they deserve much better that they often get.while i definitely agree with the majority you posted, i dont think our franchise quarterback should become a taboo topic of discussion (like BA) just because the mods have "a problem" with it. i agree duplicate threads need to be merged.

and just like our franchise quarterback, who is great, the mods are not perfect, either.

an objective look will show you (and anyone else willing to read back a page or 2) that it was i who was called hypocritical (not once but twice), and it seemed shea was the one being piled on, for nothing more than voicing an opinion/observation.

it is well known that most people either see the glass half full or half empty, but it seems an elite group here feel the steelersfever glass is 95% empty.

i still cant find this 95% majority of anti-ben posts, or 95% of spoiled steelernation fans that i hear so much about. :noidea: its almost like its a strawman argument/figment of ones own imagination. i mostly see fans who simply care for and concerned about their team.

believe it or not, i have seen a member bashed for caring too much, and taking their team too seriously. so either we are bandwaggon hoppers who dont know jack, or we make it too much of a focus of our lives.

only a select few got it "right". :rolleyes:

personally, i feel the mods job (and even ours as regular or long time members) is to promote this board, not to constantly demote it or denigrate its members (exception- trolls/spammers).

all healthy discussions should be encourages regardless if the mods or "elite" agree. from my perspective, i see nothing wrong with those who are absolutely pissed off, dissapointed, and even furious with bens current predicament (other than the mods dont agree) and are much more capable of remaining calmer and cooler than all the irrational fans (the supposed majority) who let their emotions get the best of them.

FWIW- i agree 100% with the mods (and yourself) that ben is innocent and this is much ado about nothing. however, i also can acknowledge that ben doesnt hang out in bars for the bible study held in VIP rooms, or the warm milk and cookies they serve.

other people dont agree. it is up to each individual to decide whether they will let this annoy them or be a "problem".

after all, from an administrative pov, it is good to have a diversity of opinions. it is simply good for "business", traffic, increased hits, and ultimately growth.

X-Terminator
03-15-2010, 12:19 AM
while i definitely agree with the majority you posted, i dont think our franchise quarterback should become a taboo topic of discussion (like BA) just because the mods have "a problem" with it. i agree duplicate threads need to be merged.

and just like our franchise quarterback, who is great, the mods are not perfect, either.

an objective look will show you (and anyone else willing to read back a page or 2) that it was i who was called hypocritical (not once but twice), and it seemed shea was the one being piled on, for nothing more than voicing an opinion/observation.

it is well known that most people either see the glass half full or half empty, but it seems an elite group here feel the steelersfever glass is 95% empty.

i still cant find this 95% majority of anti-ben posts, or 95% of spoiled steelernation fans that i hear so much about. :noidea: its almost like its a strawman argument/figment of ones own imagination. i mostly see fans who simply care for and concerned about their team.

believe it or not, i have seen a member bashed for caring too much, and taking their team too seriously. so either we are bandwaggon hoppers who dont know jack, or we make it too much of a focus of our lives.

only a select few got it "right". :rolleyes:

personally, i feel the mods job (and even ours as regular or long time members) is to promote this board, not to constantly demote it or denigrate its members (exception- trolls/spammers).

all healthy discussions should be encourages regardless if the mods or "elite" agree. from my perspective, i see nothing wrong with those who are absolutely pissed off, dissapointed, and even furious with bens current predicament (other than the mods dont agree) and are much more capable of remaining calmer and cooler than all the irrational fans (the supposed majority) who let their emotions get the best of them.

FWIW- i agree 100% with the mods (and yourself) that ben is innocent and this is much ado about nothing. however, i also can acknowledge that ben doesnt hang out in bars for the bible study held in VIP rooms, or the warm milk and cookies they serve.

other people dont agree. it is up to each individual to decide whether they will let this annoy them or be a "problem".

after all, from an administrative pov, it is good to have a diversity of opinions. it is simply good for "business", traffic, increased hits, and ultimately growth.

Who has deemed discussions about Ben "taboo?" All the mods have tried to do is keep everything as neat and tidy as possible in the Steelers forum. It is absolutely amazing to me that anyone would have a problem with that, but yet, there are. All during the BA saga, whenever a thread was merged, moved or purged, there was always someone who had a problem with it. It was getting to the point where threads that had absolutely nothing to do with BA magically ended up being about BA - and being deliberately done at that. So something needed to be done rather than have a million different threads or constantly have unrelated threads hijacked. Now, a similar situation is happening with the Ben saga.

There's nothing wrong with being pissed off about Ben's predicament, but there are more than a few members who had openly called for Ben to be traded or cut, before he has even been charged with anything. You don't think that's just a little bit premature and a rush to judgment? And when other members - mods included - come in and urge people to wait until all the facts are known before deeming him guilty or calling for him to be cut, they are the ones who end up being the bad guys.

What I'm seeing here is a classic case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." If the mods do something, it's wrong. If they don't do something, it's wrong. Being a moderator on a message board is the most thankless job there is. It's a miracle both Marianne and Gary have managed to do it around here for THIS long. They should be commended for that, not ridiculed.

As for the member who was "bashed" for caring too much for his team, maybe I was a little overzealous with him and I apologize for that. But my point still stands - I believe sports should be kept in its proper perspective, and that is for entertainment purposes only. Because at the end of the day, it's just a game.

And I find it amazing that you think the mods "constantly denigrate" members, when you created an entire social group dedicated to denigrating one particular member and those who didn't toe the "fire Arians" sentiment. So yes, I'd call that just a tiny bit of hypocrisy.

tony hipchest
03-15-2010, 01:41 AM
sorry X-T i couldnt read any more of your post beyond this-

Who has deemed discussions about Ben "taboo?" All the mods have tried to do is keep everything as neat and tidy as possible in the Steelers forum.

*Reading is FUNdamental*while i definitely agree with the majority you posted, i dont think our franchise quarterback should become a taboo topic of discussion (like BA) just because the mods have "a problem" with it. i agree duplicate threads need to be merged.

dont paint what i think as an accusation. :nono:

nobody said anyone deemed anything "taboo".

anyone with an ounce of brains can see the ben saga is headed down the exact same path the arians saga did, though. it is clearly a divisive subject and ultimately the powers that be "reign" over what will or will not be allowed to be discussed.

i hope ben discussions are not disallowed. capiche?

the mods have already voiced their displeasure with the subject, and there is nothing i can do to hide it.

take the time to read an analyze a post before you react and become so defensive, and you may see some of the truth behind it.

Texasteel
03-15-2010, 06:52 AM
while i definitely agree with the majority you posted, i dont think our franchise quarterback should become a taboo topic of discussion (like BA) just because the mods have "a problem" with it. i agree duplicate threads need to be merged.

and just like our franchise quarterback, who is great, the mods are not perfect, either.

an objective look will show you (and anyone else willing to read back a page or 2) that it was i who was called hypocritical (not once but twice), and it seemed shea was the one being piled on, for nothing more than voicing an opinion/observation.

it is well known that most people either see the glass half full or half empty, but it seems an elite group here feel the steelersfever glass is 95% empty.

i still cant find this 95% majority of anti-ben posts, or 95% of spoiled steelernation fans that i hear so much about. :noidea: its almost like its a strawman argument/figment of ones own imagination. i mostly see fans who simply care for and concerned about their team.

believe it or not, i have seen a member bashed for caring too much, and taking their team too seriously. so either we are bandwaggon hoppers who dont know jack, or we make it too much of a focus of our lives.

only a select few got it "right". :rolleyes:

personally, i feel the mods job (and even ours as regular or long time members) is to promote this board, not to constantly demote it or denigrate its members (exception- trolls/spammers).

all healthy discussions should be encourages regardless if the mods or "elite" agree. from my perspective, i see nothing wrong with those who are absolutely pissed off, dissapointed, and even furious with bens current predicament (other than the mods dont agree) and are much more capable of remaining calmer and cooler than all the irrational fans (the supposed majority) who let their emotions get the best of them.

FWIW- i agree 100% with the mods (and yourself) that ben is innocent and this is much ado about nothing. however, i also can acknowledge that ben doesnt hang out in bars for the bible study held in VIP rooms, or the warm milk and cookies they serve.

other people dont agree. it is up to each individual to decide whether they will let this annoy them or be a "problem".

after all, from an administrative pov, it is good to have a diversity of opinions. it is simply good for "business", traffic, increased hits, and ultimately growth.


Actually I think the hypocrisy thing was started by a friend of yours, along with the complaint of the use of smilies, which you are the king.

I never thought that BA was listed Taboo and don't know why it's being brought up. We seem to agree that the Ben thread should be kept orderly and that repetitious thread kept to a minimum, so we have no argument there.

I think you have to admit that at least in the 1st "Ben did this" tread it seemed like the majority of the poster were looking for a way to punish Ben before any of the facts where known. Some even listed what the plaintive said as facts. I believe I read one that thought there had to be something to this because its the 2nd time he had been accused, which you and I both know is a part of the horse you don't want to step in. One kept stating "let me first say this" which is a dead give away that he or she is about to unload on someone, then go on to say the same thing he said just 10 post before. I think you yourself were getting a little tired of it, I know I was.

Where we differ most, and we have disagreed many times, is the mods. As moderators I think they have done tremendous at a very difficult job, and we are lucky to have this quality of people doing the job. You at least put out the persona that you have a great distaste for both of them. If that is not true, you may want to chose your words a just little better. As members, they have the same right to state their opinion like everyone else, and to suggest that their opinion effects their decisions as a moderator is just unfair, and an easy cop-out when ever someone doesn't agree with them. Again I think our mods are the best, but then you probably have me listed in that "ELITE GROUP", another really cool word.

zulater
03-15-2010, 07:22 AM
There's nothing wrong with being pissed off about Ben's predicament, but there are more than a few members who had openly called for Ben to be traded or cut, before he has even been charged with anything. You don't think that's just a little bit premature and a rush to judgment?

No I don't actually. It's not my way of thinking, if Ben can somehow emerge with his freedom and reputation intact or at leat not in complete tatters, then I want him to remain the qb of the Steelers.

But I can also see and respect the point of view that sees the need for Ben to exit stage left asap. If you substituted Matt Spaeth's name for Ben, and gave him the past 8 months Ben's had you think Matt would still be a Steeler? I don't.



And when other members - mods included - come in and urge people to wait until all the facts are known before deeming him guilty or calling for him to be cut, they are the ones who end up being the bad guys.

I think they should leave it up to the individual poster how they deal with the current prediciment. Even with no charges as of yet filed ( and hopefully not forthcoming) Ben's behaviour is very much in the news and to suggest that posters on a Steeler's message board ignore the story until there's more clarity on all aspects of it I think is ludicrious.

We're talking about a water cooler topic that extends to people who don't even make a habit of watching NFL games, and for you or anyone to suggest that it should simply be ignored on a Steelers message board until all the facts are known??? right. :coffee:


What I'm seeing here is a classic case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." If the mods do something, it's wrong. If they don't do something, it's wrong. Being a moderator on a message board is the most thankless job there is.

I think less is more with referees and moderators.

It's a miracle both Marianne and Gary have managed to do it around here for THIS long. They should be commended for that, not ridiculed.

So if someone disagrees with a call they make or how they moderate a certain topic they should just stifle themselves?

As for the member who was "bashed" for caring too much for his team, maybe I was a little overzealous with him and I apologize for that. But my point still stands - I believe sports should be kept in its proper perspective, and that is for entertainment purposes only. Because at the end of the day, it's just a game.

It's a business too. It's something we allocate time and money towards.

And I find it amazing that you think the mods "constantly denigrate" members, when you created an entire social group dedicated to denigrating one particular member

Who are we talking about? If it's who i think you are, that person created his detractors all by himself, don't blame Tony.

and those who didn't toe the "fire Arians" sentiment. So yes, I'd call that just a tiny bit of hypocrisy.

The only problem I have with Arians advocates is the way they shoot down ( or shut down in the way of locking threads) anyone who believes that Arians job was teeteering when there's a whole lot of smoke suggesting that he indeed was.

Speaking of which, i just got my new issue of Steelers Digest, and that( supposed) lying sack of shit Wexall still has his column in a publication that dubs itself the official publication of the team. I thought for sure after he made up "all those lies" about how the Rooney's felt about Arians job performance he'd have got the sack.

:coffee:

pete74
03-15-2010, 07:29 AM
Who has deemed discussions about Ben "taboo?" All the mods have tried to do is keep everything as neat and tidy as possible in the Steelers forum. It is absolutely amazing to me that anyone would have a problem with that, but yet, there are. All during the BA saga, whenever a thread was merged, moved or purged, there was always someone who had a problem with it. It was getting to the point where threads that had absolutely nothing to do with BA magically ended up being about BA - and being deliberately done at that. So something needed to be done rather than have a million different threads or constantly have unrelated threads hijacked. Now, a similar situation is happening with the Ben saga.

There's nothing wrong with being pissed off about Ben's predicament, but there are more than a few members who had openly called for Ben to be traded or cut, before he has even been charged with anything. You don't think that's just a little bit premature and a rush to judgment? And when other members - mods included - come in and urge people to wait until all the facts are known before deeming him guilty or calling for him to be cut, they are the ones who end up being the bad guys.

What I'm seeing here is a classic case of "damned if you do, damned if you don't." If the mods do something, it's wrong. If they don't do something, it's wrong. Being a moderator on a message board is the most thankless job there is. It's a miracle both Marianne and Gary have managed to do it around here for THIS long. They should be commended for that, not ridiculed.

As for the member who was "bashed" for caring too much for his team, maybe I was a little overzealous with him and I apologize for that. But my point still stands - I believe sports should be kept in its proper perspective, and that is for entertainment purposes only. Because at the end of the day, it's just a game.

And I find it amazing that you think the mods "constantly denigrate" members, when you created an entire social group dedicated to denigrating one particular member and those who didn't toe the "fire Arians" sentiment. So yes, I'd call that just a tiny bit of hypocrisy.

i obviously missed something but i dont see a problem if someone say that we should cut ben, trade ben or drop ben. i feel differently but this is a steeler forum and everyone is entitled to there own opinion even if others agree. im a mod at 4 different boards and an admin at another and freedom of speech is a must for a board to survive. the one bodybuilding site i mod has 125,000 members and everyone of them gets treated the same way regardless of post count. of course there are going to be members who write things we dont like or agree with but thats the point of this board. we all have different opinions but are here for the same reason. as for the board, the mods here seem great but my only concern is that they let people totally smash othere members. i have seen so many arguments and people getting crushed for no reason here. im a new member and i took a good bit of shit from people but nothing compared to what i saw others go thru. everyone will always argue and debate on this board but insulting members is totally different and im sure this board has lost members because of it.

X-Terminator
03-15-2010, 08:42 AM
No I don't actually. It's not my way of thinking, if Ben can somehow emerge with his freedom and reputation intact or at leat not in complete tatters, then I want him to remain the qb of the Steelers.

But I can also see and respect the point of view that sees the need for Ben to exit stage left asap. If you substituted Matt Spaeth's name for Ben, and gave him the past 8 months Ben's had you think Matt would still be a Steeler? I don't.

If Matt Spaeth hadn't been charged with a crime, then yeah, it's possible he could still be a Steeler. But then again, he might not. I know your argument here is based on the degree of importance of Spaeth compared to Ben, but you still can't say for sure that Spaeth would be cut.


I think they should leave it up to the individual poster how they deal with the current prediciment. Even with no charges as of yet filed ( and hopefully not forthcoming) Ben's behaviour is very much in the news and to suggest that posters on a Steeler's message board ignore the story until there's more clarity on all aspects of it I think is ludicrious.

We're talking about a water cooler topic that extends to people who don't even make a habit of watching NFL games, and for you or anyone to suggest that it should simply be ignored on a Steelers message board until all the facts are known??? right.

Who the hell said that members should ignore the story? Asking for a little more restraint in judgment is telling people to ignore it? How? You mean to tell me that you can't discuss this story without declaring him guilty or demanding he be cut or traded before he's charged or convicted of a crime? I think THAT is ludicrous.

I think less is more with referees and moderators.

In other words, they should not be allowed to be regular members and post their opinions. Got it.

So if someone disagrees with a call they make or how they moderate a certain topic they should just stifle themselves?

Not when those calls contain words like "censorship" or "favoritism", both of which are very unfair charges and are always the first ones thrown around whenever a topic is moderated in a way that a member doesn't like. They are patently false charges, especially when you consider how much members have been allowed to get away with around here. And then of course, when the ship starts to be tightened a bit, well, members complain about that too. That's why it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.

It's a business too. It's something we allocate time and money towards.

That's true. But it doesn't mean you have to become overly emotional about them.

Who are we talking about? If it's who i think you are, that person created his detractors all by himself, don't blame Tony.

Still doesn't change the fact that a social group was dedicated to bashing him...then turns around and bashes the mods for allegedly doing the same thing.

The only problem I have with Arians advocates is the way they shoot down ( or shut down in the way of locking threads) anyone who believes that Arians job was teeteering when there's a whole lot of smoke suggesting that he indeed was.

So what do you think of those Arians detractors who wouldn't accept that the reports were incorrect or take Mr. Rooney at his word that firing Arians was never discussed with Tomlin? What do you think of those Arians detractors who made it a point to bash those who supported him? Do you have a problem with that?

Speaking of which, i just got my new issue of Steelers Digest, and that( supposed) lying sack of shit Wexall still has his column in a publication that dubs itself the official publication of the team. I thought for sure after he made up "all those lies" about how the Rooney's felt about Arians job performance he'd have got the sack.

:coffee:

Good for him. He was still wrong about Arians' firing.

i obviously missed something but i dont see a problem if someone say that we should cut ben, trade ben or drop ben. i feel differently but this is a steeler forum and everyone is entitled to there own opinion even if others agree. im a mod at 4 different boards and an admin at another and freedom of speech is a must for a board to survive. the one bodybuilding site i mod has 125,000 members and everyone of them gets treated the same way regardless of post count. of course there are going to be members who write things we dont like or agree with but thats the point of this board. we all have different opinions but are here for the same reason. as for the board, the mods here seem great but my only concern is that they let people totally smash othere members. i have seen so many arguments and people getting crushed for no reason here. im a new member and i took a good bit of shit from people but nothing compared to what i saw others go thru. everyone will always argue and debate on this board but insulting members is totally different and im sure this board has lost members because of it.

Yeah well, the mods have tried repeatedly to get a handle on the bashing of people's opinions, but it's all been for naught. And yes, this board has lost members, but not necessarily for the reasons you state.

Indo
03-15-2010, 03:13 PM
maybe we should all just talk about getting rid of steeley mcbeam or bringing back cheerleaders (i.e. something EVERYONE can agree upon) :cheer:


WAIT! WHAT?!
People want to GET RID OF STEELY MCBEAM?

Say it ain't so

I'm gonna start a poll...

Fire Haley
03-15-2010, 03:22 PM
If anybody ever tries to insult me I will send HTG to kick their ass.

She's the best

zulater
03-15-2010, 03:34 PM
If Matt Spaeth hadn't been charged with a crime, then yeah, it's possible he could still be a Steeler. But then again, he might not. I know your argument here is based on the degree of importance of Spaeth compared to Ben, but you still can't say for sure that Spaeth would be cut.

If Matt Spaeth stepped on a sidewalk crack that would be good enough reason for me to cut him. :chuckle:



Who the hell said that members should ignore the story? Asking for a little more restraint in judgment is telling people to ignore it?

Restraint is in the eye of the keyboard holder my friend..


How? You mean to tell me that you can't discuss this story without declaring him guilty or demanding he be cut or traded before he's charged or convicted of a crime? I think THAT is ludicrous.

To some his level of buffoonery and overall ignorance has already risen to a level that they feel doesn't properly represent what the face of the franchise should, therefore crime or no crime they want him gone.

Though I'm sure most that espouse that view are convinced of his guilt, even if they don't say so.

Again not my argument, but i understand it and respect it.



In other words, they should not be allowed to be regular members and post their opinions. Got it.

No, never said that did I? What I object to is when they lock down or delete threads because the subject matter isn't of their own view. A subject matter should be allowed to run it's own course in my opinion.

Those that object to said subject matter can simply keep to other threads.



Not when those calls contain words like "censorship" or "favoritism", both of which are very unfair charges and are always the first ones thrown around whenever a topic is moderated in a way that a member doesn't like. They are patently false charges, especially when you consider how much members have been allowed to get away with around here. And then of course, when the ship starts to be tightened a bit, well, members complain about that too. That's why it's damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I never understand why people get bothered by how other people post? Outside of personal attacks, spam and foul language I just don't get the need to police a message board? If no one finds a subject matter interesting the thread will die on its own every time. If people find the topic compelling it will have it's lifespan and eventually die when the discusion grows stale. You don't like the topic, skip it. Seems pretty easy to me. :noidea:



That's true. But it doesn't mean you have to become overly emotional about them.

Sports is about all emotion imo. It might be stupid, it might be wasted, but without an emotional investment sports isn't nearly as compelling.



Still doesn't change the fact that a social group was dedicated to bashing him...then turns around and bashes the mods for allegedly doing the same thing.

There was an organized group, a lynch party so to speak? Really? How come I wasn't invited then? :chuckle: If we're talking about the same poster i thought it was simply a case of a guy who started to believe his own b.s. It just seemed to me that he kept begging for enough rope to hang himslef with? :noidea: I don't know that I ever read consecutive posts by the dude where he didn't denigrate others or overinflate his own self worth, or both. :toofunny:



So what do you think of those Arians detractors who wouldn't accept that the reports were incorrect or take Mr. Rooney at his word that firing Arians was never discussed with Tomlin?

I think there's ample evidence that Mr Rooney subverted the truth somewhat. Notice I didn't say he lied, I just don't think he told the whole truth, nor was there any need for him to. Once the decision was made to go ahead with BA, regardless of reason, you circle the wagons and proclaim your full belief in the man.


What do you think of those Arians detractors who made it a point to bash those who supported him? Do you have a problem with that?

I don't know of whom you're talking? :noidea:

My only problem was with those that attacked the messengers and insinuated that anyone and everyone who remotley suggested that BA was even remotely discussed in a negative way within the orginazation were out and out liars.



Good for him. He was still wrong about Arians' firing.

He never claimed Arians was going to be fired, only that the Rooney's wanted him gone. At the time I'm sure that they expressed that sentiment.You ever in a heated moment say something that you later maybe had second thoughts about and then didn't act upon?

If they hadn't said something to that effect and Wexall just made it up I honestly don't see how he could have been retained as a columnist by the Steelers official publication? :noidea:



Yeah well, the mods have tried repeatedly to get a handle on the bashing of people's opinions, but it's all been for naught. And yes, this board has lost members, but not necessarily for the reasons you state.

It's also gained some new members too, no? Maybe the fact the seasons over and there's no SB victory to glorify in has something to do with an overall net loss in posters if there is such a thing too?Regardless, turnover is part of the natural proccess in all things in life. I wouldn't read too much into it.

X-Terminator
03-15-2010, 05:47 PM
Restraint is in the keyboard of the beholder my friend.

Exactly. So if you choose not to restrain yourself on your keyboard, you can and should also expect someone to possibly disagree with whatever you're saying.

To some his level of buffoonery and overall ignorance has already risen to a level that they feel doesn't properly represent what the face of the franchise should, therefore crime or no crime they want him gone. Though I'm sure most that espouse that view are convinced of his guilt, even if they don't say so.

Again not my argument, but i understand it and respect it.


I respect it. I DO NOT understand it. And we'll leave it at that.

No, never said that did I? What I object to is when they lock down or delete threads because the subject matter isn't of their own view. A subject matter should be allowed to run it's own course in my opinion.
Those that object to said subject matter can simply keep to other threads.

It wasn't the subject matter that was the problem, it was the redundancy that was the problem, and thus the reason why those threads were deleted or locked. It says right in the COC to refrain from posting duplicate or redundant threads, and it wasn't just put in there over the past 6 months.

I never understand why people get bothered by how other people post? Outside of personal attacks, spam and foul language I just don't get the need to police a message board? If no one finds a subject matter interesting the thread will die every time. If people find the topic compelling it will have it's life and eventually die. You don't like the topic, skip it. Seems pretty easy to me.

Ever hear of "it's not what you say, but how you say it?" Perhaps thats' why some people have a problem with how others post.

Sports is about all emotion imo. It might be stupid, it might be wasted, but without an emotional investment sports isn't nearly as compelling.

Yes sports are emotion, but whatever...I'm tired of trying to explain my position.

There was an organized group, a lynch party so to speak? Really? How come I wasn't invited then? If we're talking about the same poster i thought it was simply a case of a guy who started to believe his own b.s. It just seemed to me that he kept begging for enough rope to hang himslef with? I don't know that I ever read consecutive posts by the dude where he didn't denigrate others or overinflate his own self worth, or both.

Well I've debated that poster numerous times before and never had a problem. :noidea: And even if I did, I'd engage him, ignore him or not respond to his posts. I wouldn't go so far as to create a group about him.

I think there's ample evidence that Mr Rooney subverted the truth somewhat. Notice I didn't say he lied, I just don't think he told the whole truth, nor was there any need for him to. Once the decision was made to go ahead with BA, regardless of reason, you circle the wagons and proclaim your full belief in the man.

I totally disagree. If Mr. Rooney wanted him gone, he'd be gone, plain and simple. He may not have fired him himself, but he'd definitely have strongly suggested (not forced) Tomlin to fire him.

What do you think of those Arians detractors who made it a point to bash those who supported him? Do you have a problem with that?

I don't know of whom you're talking?

My only problem was with those that attacked the messengers and insinuated that anyone and everyone who remotley suggested that BA was even remotely discussed in a negative way within the orginazation were out and out liars.

No, they were pointing out that you can't always believe what you read and hear. Many here do not subscribe to rumors, regardless of the source. Unless they hear it straight from the horse's mouth or the rumors are confirmed, then it's all just speculation.


He never claimed Arians was going to be fired, only that the Rooney's wanted him gone. At the time I'm sure that they expressed that sentiment.You ever in a heated moment say something that you later maybe had second thoughts about and then didn't act upon?

If they hadn't said something to that effect and Wexall just made it up I honestly don't see how he could have been retained as a columnist by the Steelers official publication?

Sure. But even if that were true, someone must have changed his mind because BA is still employed. Again, if they wanted BA gone, he'd be gone. Period.

It's also gained some new members too, no? Maybe the fact the seasons over and there's no SB victory to glorify in has something to do with an overall net loss in posters if there is such a thing too?Regardless, turnover is part of the natural proccess in all things in life. I wouldn't read too much into it.

True, but we were losing members - quality members - well before the season even ended. So it isn't just the Steelers not making the playoffs that caused this to happen.

Anyway, we've hijacked this thread long enough. These are my last words on this subject.

zulater
03-15-2010, 05:53 PM
True, but we were losing members - quality members - well before the season even ended. So it isn't just the Steelers not making the playoffs that caused this to happen.

That 5 game losing streak happened before the season was over though didn't it.


Anyway, we've hijacked this thread long enough. These are my last words on this subject.

That's enough for me too. :hatsoff:

tony hipchest
03-15-2010, 06:49 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to create a group about him.
.the more you repeat this lie, the more you will believe it.

the OP in the social group says exactly why it was formed. its obvious youve never even visited so you might not wanna spak of something you know nothing about.

after all it was YOU and said member who started flaming other members in every thread you disagreed with them in, by labeling them the "braintrust" in the most condescending fashion.

hell, even the mods got in on the act. :applaudit:

i just took the idea and rolled with it. as you can see anyone who posts in there is free to voice an opinion (and we have many that differ) without the rediculous arguing, or flaming, even though many may be considered offensive to the overly sensitive (like bringing in scrub no-name coaches to replace scrub no name coaches or whether james should start a fight with big ben on the 1st day of camp).

we certainly dont agree on every subject and probably have more differences than similarities.

plus there is nothing wrong of having a little subforum to post and have some fun w/o executioner's waiting to put our heads in the guillotine.

you should check it out. for the most part everybody has everyone else on ignore, so nobody bothers you. :chuckle:

theres nothing wrong with a running joke, and if someone wants to make a joke of themselves, you can bet others will laugh at it.

laughture is good medicine. you should try it sometime instead of being so bitter towards steelernation and telling them how to be a fan.

did you even cheer and shout when holmes caught that that ball in the sb, or did you say "i better not be too emotionally involved"?

zulater
03-15-2010, 07:16 PM
http://www.timesonline.com/sports/sports_details/article/1424/2010/march/15/madden-monday-pittsburgh-media-not-behind-big-ben.html


What a week.

All Ben, all the time.

It’s not surprising that Ben Roethlisberger’s sexual assault allegations would consume my radio show and others like it, to say nothing of other conventional media and the blogosphere, too.

That doesn’t mean it’s easy to gauge how the great unwashed feels about Roethlisberger. A majority of my show’s callers crucify him even with no charges yet filed. But a poll of WXDX.com visitors shows that 78 percent of respondents believe the Steelers should not cut Roethlisberger.

Roethlisberger’s reputed malfeasance may anger the citizens, but the thought of proceeding to the 2010 season with Dennis Dixon behind center appears to scare them. As it should.

Last week in this space, I marveled at Dan Rooney’s defense of “Jimmy” Harrison, an admitted domestic abuser, compared to his stance on Roethlisberger: Silent, ergo hardly supportive. Rumor has Rooney and Steelers management mooting the release of Roethlisberger.

The accused face unemployment. The admitted get a $10 million signing bonus.

My comparison is a sharp contrast and a perfectly legitimate point of debate. I’m reviled in some circles for continuing to drag “Jimmy” Harrison through the mud, but that’s what they said about Ike Turner.

Here’s another comparison you won’t like: Roethlisberger’s reputation suffers at the hands of rumormongers who relate unpleasant incidents allegedly initiated by Roethlisberger at area bars, restaurants, charitable functions, etc. Are they true? I don’t know. Were you there?

Similarly victimized back in the day was Willie Stargell. Stargell was said to be abusive toward fans and a deadbeat, delinquent when it came to paying bills. He allegedly fathered several children out of wedlock. Teammate John Milner said, under oath, he procured amphetamines from Stargell.

Yet Stargell went to his grave beloved. Roethlisberger might yet have to dodge lynch mobs.

That’s because Stargell excelled at a game Roethlisberger refuses to play: Stargell had the media buffaloed. He loved them — or pretended to — and they loved him. Unpleasantries were quashed, Stargell’s legend burnished. Certainly, it was a different age. The Internet didn’t exist, talk shows were few, and the media in general was less inquisitive.

Roethlisberger isn’t totally uncooperative with the media. He does what’s necessary.

But he can be sullen, even surly, and occasionally combative. (Not with me, I hasten to add: Roethlisberger’s appearances on my show have been charismatic and forthcoming. They rank among my program’s all-time highlights.) The local media may not hate Ben, but they don’t support him.

Roethlisberger isn’t a phony. Stargell was. Roethlisberger gets punished. Stargell got rewarded.

As noted, the media is different now. Roethlisberger is particularly denounced on the Internet. Take, for example, the debut blog of veteran media personality John Steigerwald. Steigerwald called Ben a “jackass,” a “punk who needs to be knocked down a peg or two” and “a bad citizen who needs a comeuppance.” Steigerwald also wrote:

“Most of the accounts of the incident in Georgia mention that Ben wasn’t drinking much. The implication being that he wasn’t high. Let me be the first to point out that he could very easily have been high on something other than alcohol. If that turns out to be the case, will you be surprised?”

Yikes. Is Steigerwald implying that Roethlisberger uses drugs?

Such a reckless insinuation would never get in a newspaper. But most blogs don’t have an editor, a copy desk or a vetting process. On the Internet, accusations just get out there, and stay out there.

I bet Roethlisberger isn’t charged in Georgia. I don’t believe Roethlisberger is guilty of anything besides bad judgment.

If that proves to be the case, what will Ben’s media accusers say? What will Rooney say? What will the fans say? What will Roethlisberger’s relationship be like with all of the above? Even when this story ends, it won’t be anywhere near over.

Mark Madden hosts a radio show 3-6 p.m. weekdays on WXDX-FM (105.9).

pete74
03-15-2010, 07:39 PM
i bet anything the roonys send him to counsling regardless of a conviction. they definatly dont want to be in this situation again

chacha
03-15-2010, 07:47 PM
if he's innocent, counseling for what, being a guy in his twenties who likes to go out?

pete74
03-15-2010, 07:56 PM
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleynewsdispatch/sports/s_671608.html

just read this one

The Rooneys are different.

If you've been listening to talk radio, reading columnists and surfing the blogoshpere this week, you know that the Rooney family has been taking some heat. Ben Roethlisberger being accused of sexual assault in Georgia has put them in a tough position. They have tried to run a first class organization and show no patience for players who don't represent the organization well.

In other words, the bad citizens are sent packing.

It's one thing to release a journeyman wide receiver for punching a woman in the face in the middle of a restaurant. It's another to give a $51 million contract to your team MVP and NFL defensive player of the year a few months after he chokes and slaps his baby's mama.

Releasing the starting quarterback and face of the franchise, who has been promised $102 million, is in another stratosphere.

Up to this point, despite the recent, shall we say, inconsistency, in dealing with players who don't know how to treat women, the Rooneys have been different, not just from other NFL owners but from all professional team owners.

Two words for you: Jerry Jones

How about two more: Al Davis

Mark Cuban?

Dan Rooney, who has turned the day to day operations of the team over to his son, Art II, wouldn't be caught dead down on the sidelines during a game, but he would be in the locker room quietly and inconspicuously shaking every player's hand after every game. Dan and Art both have managed to be almost invisible and amazingly accessible at the same time. That's not to say that they both don't know how to manipulate the media for their benefit. Nobody should begrudge them that.

A million years ago, I did a TV report comparing and contrasting the Steelers and Dallas Cowboys. I pointed out that the Steelers' Owner, The Chief, Art Rooney, could be seen wandering around the Steelers' Three Rivers Stadium office every day greeting total strangers when they wandered in the door.

The Cowboys' receptionist told me that she hadn't seen the Cowboys owner, Clint Murchison, in two years.

Dan and the Chief were as down to Earth as any multimillionaire could be. Art II is still relatively new to the position but seems to be cut of the same cloth. I think all three are universally appreciated by the local media. But the media have also made it clear that they will be watching Dan and Art II to see how they will react if Roethlisberger is charged with sexual assault. If the league doesn't suspend him, then the media will be watching to see if the Rooneys do. Actually, it will be hard for Commissioner Roger Goodell not to suspend Roethlisberger indefinitely if he is brought up on charges.

That's what happened to Mike Vick. And he was assaulting dogs.

Despite the well known inconsistencies, the Steelers can still claim the high ground when it comes to maintaining or at least trying to maintain a positive image in the community. If they don't deal with Roethlisberger harshly, no matter the outcome of the cases in Arkansas and Georgia, they'll lose it.

Tiger Woods has hired former Bush 43 Communications Director Ari Fleisher to repair the damage that he did to himself. Ben should do a good scouting job on that situation to see how that turns out, because his image is going to need a complete overhaul.

Ben's a bad guy.

I don't know him and he's never done anything to me to make me dislike him, but there are just too many stories out there about how he mistreats people and expects special treatment himself. In 33 years of covering local sports, I've never come across a player who generated more unsolicited "Why is that guy such a jackass" questions. No player comes close. I've seen his teammates roll their eyes at the mention of his name. I had one guy, who covers the team on a daily basis, tell me that his teammates "despise" him. And he used capital letters. That was the summer before he led them to their last Super Bowl win. So, he may be a little more popular in the locker room now.

We don't know what happened in Georgia between him and his accuser, but here's what we do know: According to reports that I've seen, Roetlisberger rented out the VIP room at the Capital City nightclub and announced that only women would be allowed in. He then told his bodyguards and other members of his posse to go out and bring back some women. Think about that for a minute. This is a 28 year-old guy who's saying to a bar full of college kids, "I'm Ben Roethlisberger and you're not. I have millions of dollars and you don't. Tonight the women belong to me."

Now, that may not make him a criminal but it sure makes him a creep.

And a bad citizen.

tube517
03-15-2010, 08:23 PM
I think the jury is still out on Art II being from the same mold. Sure, he is a Rooney, but I think he may be a little more vocal than Dan and the Chief. (See his comments on the running game). But the Rooneys are very good at laying low and letting the coach get the exposure. They are still the class of the league as far as owners go. I still think they are the "Corleones" of the NFL, though. :wink02:


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleynewsdispatch/sports/s_671608.html

just read this one

chacha
03-15-2010, 09:15 PM
I could give a ratazz what Steigerwald writes. A bad citizen, GMAFB

steelerdave1969
03-15-2010, 09:38 PM
I almost guarentee this happens so much in All Major Sports and Movie Stars. Most of them think that they are above the law and that they can do whatever they want. I love Ben and hope that he is not guilty, but if he is then he needs to be punished like any normal Joe out on the street.

SteelerEmpire
03-15-2010, 11:16 PM
Who is this meager "reporter" to come off on Ben as if he's better than him ??? If their are no charges filed against Ben (especially if their are no charges filed) in this second case I will send a letter to this guy ... just to let him know how off he was...

pittguy578
03-16-2010, 12:42 AM
Steigerwald is a dumb ass. There are no double standards. The Rooneys realize people can make mistakes.

Harrison's case-he was in an argument in a house about his son. It was a heated domestic situation and done in the heat of the moment He called the Rooney's right away and apologized and started anger management classes. The argument was about his child. I also have never heard that he choked the mother of his child-I do know he struck her, possibly a slap. It is easy for an argument to get out of hand in a private home, especially if someone is arguing about the welfare/spiritual future of his child. That was also his first offense and run in with the police with this situation. That was the only flare up between these two individuals that required a police intervention.

Cedric Wilson walked up to the girl in a PUBLIC place. , pushed her, punched her in the face, and then ran out. There is no indication that there was a heated argument right before he struck her-not that would excuse it, but it seems to me that Wilson's battery was not in the heat of the moment. If there had been an argument going on, he could have either not showed up at the restaurant or not hit her when he saw her.
This was not Wilson's first "situation" with this girl-she had shot at him before that.
Rooneys were probably worried someone was going to end up dead before it was all over.

pete74
03-16-2010, 07:14 AM
i wonder if some of ben's teamates really look at him in the way the above story i posted says. if so thats not a good sign. we need all our players to come together as a family so we can keep winning

markymarc
03-20-2010, 01:00 PM
So when no charges get filed, will Steigerwald still feel Ben is a "bad" citizen. While I do feel all professional athletes should do as much as possible off the field for less fortunate individuals they simply can't handle all requests they get.

polamalubeast
04-09-2010, 07:24 PM
Steigerwald deserves to be fired now.

stillers4me
04-09-2010, 08:24 PM
i wonder if some of ben's teamates really look at him in the way the above story i posted says. if so thats not a good sign. we need all our players to come together as a family so we can keep winning

Do you believe everything you read, or just the negative stuff?

Neil-Still-Rules-14
04-09-2010, 08:52 PM
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OMG, Ben doesn't care about Make-A-Wish kids :P

Prok
04-09-2010, 09:16 PM
Steigerwald deserves to be fired now.

Amen to that. I still think it was piling on by him and he got the attention he wanted. I lost all respect for the guy.

HometownGal
04-09-2010, 09:23 PM
The Steigerwald bros should both be tossed out on their asses (Paul broadcasts Pens games and is as dumb as a cob of corn). I think they'd both better be served by applying for jobs with the circus.

Enjoy that crow jackass.

vader29
04-09-2010, 09:50 PM
The Steigerwald bros should both be tossed out on their asses (Paul broadcasts Pens games and is as dumb as a cob of corn).


I miss Mike Lange so much on tv, the dumbest decision ever made by FSN Pittsburgh.

fansince'76
04-10-2010, 11:18 AM
OMG, Ben doesn't care about Make-A-Wish kids :P

....unless they have boobs. :chuckle:

stb_steeler
04-10-2010, 12:06 PM
....unless they have boobs. :chuckle:

LMFAO.......If he keeps goin the way he's goin, the only boobs he's gonna see is bubbas lying next to him in his cell.

steel striker
04-10-2010, 12:59 PM
Okay so Ben has not always given autographs to everybody but, who has. I know a few people that met Joe Montana and they said he was a total jerk so lets not pass judgement on BB. Now it like no charges are going to be filed so all of those people who threw BB under the bus can go suck on a egg.

LVSteelersfan
04-10-2010, 01:50 PM
I am tired of the Ben threads as much as anyone. Let's see. We had the BA threads. Next it was the BB threads. I guess it is time for the BC threads. Is Bill Cowher really going to come back and coach the Steelers because Tomlin gets fired because he doesn't babysit Ben and Santonio in the offseason????????? Sorry, that was the only BC I could think of. : )

HometownGal
04-11-2010, 06:48 AM
I miss Mike Lange so much on tv, the dumbest decision ever made by FSN Pittsburgh.

Isn't that the truth? :banging: