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pittguy578
03-14-2010, 12:17 AM
I do not think he is going to end up being charged for the following reasons

1. No witnesses
2. Ben had two off duty cops in his entourage that indicate they did not see anything "fishy". Of course it occurred away from them, but for someone to sexually assault someone when he has cops with him would be really insane.
3. The girl was in the club and and had been drinking. If the cops charge Ben and do not charge her for underage drinking, then the cops look REALLY bad and he appears to be a target. If she is charged with underage drinking, then it really goes against her credibility and state of mind which are of utmost importance because of A...-no witnesses. In addition, the bartenders indicate the girl was all over Ben and she allegedly willingly went into a stall with him. There is no indication he dragged her or forced her into the stall. The police pro

I do not think the cops are going to pursue the charges for the above reasons. The girl probably does not want to deal with the allegations/charges of underage drinking depending on her major. Cops are probably going to say not enough evidence to charge Ben, especially if they are going to be forced to charge her with underage drinking in order to save face.

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 12:31 AM
LMAO!

i was given a ticket as a minor for "allowing myself to be served" (while having sex with my 31 year old girlfriend in a parked car).

both of us had been drinking.

they made her drive my car home even though she was more sloshed (i had to do a sobriety test with a wet pee-pee, and she went unchecked as the "adult").

i had a $75 fine to go pay. :hunch: its akin to jaywalking or littering.

devilsdancefloor
03-14-2010, 01:05 AM
LMAO!

i was given a ticket as a minor for "allowing myself to be served" (while having sex with my 31 year old girlfriend in a parked car).

both of us had been drinking.

they made her drive my car home even though she was more sloshed (i had to do a sobriety test with a wet pee-pee, and she went unchecked as the "adult").

i had a $75 fine to go pay. :hunch: its akin to jaywalking or littering.

trying to make more angels?

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 01:54 AM
:chuckle: i was 18. at that time it woulda been angel numero uno.

(and to not age myself as a fogie, i think the fine for "allowing to be served" is still $75).

i just cant see any college student too worried about such a "charge" (regardless of what their major is).

MACH1
03-14-2010, 03:33 AM
Allowing to be served or to be serviced? :chuckle:

solardave
03-14-2010, 05:00 AM
Allowing to be served or to be serviced? :chuckle:

Maybe that should have been 2 $75. fines.:sofunny:

Tone's Toes
03-14-2010, 06:29 AM
The title scared the hell out of me.. For some reason my eyes just skip right to the "Big Ben going to be charged" part and skipped the poll part.

Rick5895
03-14-2010, 07:29 AM
My guess is Ben won't be charged, but for reasons other than are stated here. I read how the people of that little town are fed up with all the media attention they are receiving right now. That being said, charges being laid and a trial would bring media on that town like locusts. My bet it will be more of a political decision to not charge Ben. Although I don't believe he is guilty of anything except foolish decisions.

SMR
03-14-2010, 07:48 AM
Even if Roethlisberger is totally innocent, it's sad that the Steelers owner was said to be fed up with the Roethlisberger mess (second one in 8 months) and mentioned he might let him go! Too much negative attention on the Steelers team as a whole. We don't need that kind of distraction. Sigh....

Galax Steeler
03-14-2010, 08:10 AM
Even if Roethlisberger is totally innocent, it's sad that the Steelers owner was said to be fed up with the Roethlisberger mess (second one in 8 months) and mentioned he might let him go! Too much negative attention on the Steelers team as a whole. We don't need that kind of distraction. Sigh....

That is true but I believe if he is not charged the Rooneys will not do nothing to him. why would they get rid of one of the best quarterbacks in the league over someone lying about him.

SMR
03-14-2010, 09:04 AM
That is true but I believe if he is not charged the Rooneys will not do nothing to him. why would they get rid of one of the best quarterbacks in the league over someone lying about him.

Maybe they will get tired of Roethlisbergers' questionable antics. I dunno. I hope that won't be the case, of course.

zulater
03-14-2010, 01:18 PM
Even if Roethlisberger is totally innocent, it's sad that the Steelers owner was said to be fed up with the Roethlisberger mess (second one in 8 months) and mentioned he might let him go! Too much negative attention on the Steelers team as a whole. We don't need that kind of distraction. Sigh....

If he's proven "totally innocent", no way in hell do they get rid of him. Why on earth would they? If they haven't already I'm sure they're going to have a heart to heart with Ben and explain to him that he needs to conduct his private life differently. Hell, I'm sure Ben's come to that conclusion all by himself by now. He might be an idiot, but he's not stupid.

I think in time what we're going to find out is that Ben's biggest sin is that he's a bit of an a-hole. Not to everyone, not all the time. But I think it's fairly evident that Ben has a large streak of a-hole in him that needs to be addressed.

I think one of the biggest problems going foward for Ben is that if in time he does want to start looking for a nice girl to have a grown up relationship with, where the hell is he going to find her?

Seriously any decent girl with a modicum of self respect wont even give him the time of day( I imagine), let alone go out with him. Who the hell is going to set him up with anyone they like? So his choices will likely be between gold-diggers and head cases.

Oh well you make your own bed in life.

:coffee:

chacha
03-14-2010, 02:57 PM
oh I bet he'll be able to find a nice girl pretty easily. Especially if he's proven innocent.
He's rich, pretty good looking, and maybe he only gets a streak of ahole when people bother him too much. He usually comes off as very personable.

SteelCityMom
03-14-2010, 03:06 PM
Why all these assumptions that he wants to find a nice girl and settle down? Sure, it might help his image a little bit, but I would never encourage anyone (famous or not) who doesn't want a stable married lifestyle to enter into one. IMO, that would cause more problems than it would fix. I mean, it's not like all guys who are asses and womanizers suddenly become angels when they put a ring on a chicks finger, and married guys aren't immune to accusations of sexual assault and harassment. He just needs to figure out that if he wants to live the lifestyle of a womanizer that he needs to pick his ladies a lot more carefully, or find a madame to set him up with some "escorts" who will keep their mouths shut.

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 03:15 PM
or find a madame to set him up with some "escorts" who will keep their mouths shut.
ive actually heard this suggested quite a few times. i find it kind of ironic some steelerfans would prefer that ben engage in the illegal activities of prostitution as opposed to the legal means of hooking up with a chick at a bar or casino.

:tap:

NEPAsteeler
03-14-2010, 03:20 PM
:doh:

that is all.

SteelCityMom
03-14-2010, 03:29 PM
ive actually heard this suggested quite a few times. i find it kind of ironic some steelerfans would prefer that ben engage in the illegal activities of prostitution as opposed to the legal means of hooking up with a chick at a bar or casino.

:tap:

Lol, I know I know. Hey, I've got no problems with him hooking up with any skank that he wants, but paying someone to do the nasty with you carries a lot less legal woes than accusations of rape and sexual assault. I also don't think escorts should be illegal, but that's a whole other topic lol.

zulater
03-14-2010, 03:32 PM
Why all these assumptions that he wants to find a nice girl and settle down?

Maybe because the single lifestyle aint working out all that great for him at the moment? :chuckle:

I for one am not saying he needs to settle down, but i do think he would be wise to start showing a little more maturity in how he goes about things. You know, maybe a couple dinners and a movie first? Suggesting he at least know a gals last name before swinging for the fences might be a good place to start? :noidea:

Sure, it might help his image a little bit, but I would never encourage anyone (famous or not) who doesn't want a stable married lifestyle to enter into one. IMO, that would cause more problems than it would fix. I mean, it's not like all guys who are asses and womanizers suddenly become angels when they put a ring on a chicks finger, and married guys aren't immune to accusations of sexual assault and harassment. He just needs to figure out that if he wants to live the lifestyle of a womanizer that he needs to pick his ladies a lot more carefully, or find a madame to set him up with some "escorts" who will keep their mouths shut.

That would be fine by me. Just as long as he isn't picked up in a sting at the cathouse. :toofunny:

tony hipchest
03-14-2010, 03:46 PM
Lol, I know I know. Hey, I've got no problems with him hooking up with any skank that he wants, but paying someone to do the nasty with you carries a lot less legal woes than accusations of rape and sexual assault. I also don't think escorts should be illegal, but that's a whole other topic lol.

i thint alot of people would be less morally offended if he stayed at home and smoked pot with half a dozen prostitutes (as long as he didnt get caught and bring shame unto them), as opposed to legally dringing beer and hooking up with an ugly skank, that made it on the front page of TMZ or something.

i think the big deal here isnt if ben does wrong or right, but rather if his fans gotta hear "rapistburger" or "worthlessburger" from the likes of bungles, brown, and ratbird fans.

I for one am not saying he needs to settle down, but i do think he would be wise to start show a little more maturity in how he goes about things. You know, maybe a couple dinners and a movie? Suggesting he at least know a gals last name before swinging for the fences might be a good place to start? zu- once you start asking their last name they start thinking you care and like wanna talk to them again or see them the next day.

always swing for the fence and know theres something better on the other side when you hafta go chase your ball. :thumbsup:

SMR
03-14-2010, 08:52 PM
That would be fine by me. Just as long as he isn't picked up in a sting at the cathouse. :toofunny:

Oh gosh, just imagine that!

:doh:

Steely McSmash
03-14-2010, 09:08 PM
if he hasn't been charged by now, I doubt that he will.

You have to figure that McStabbin's lawyer is going to make them think twice about charging him if they don't have a clear case.

stb_steeler
03-14-2010, 10:01 PM
Why all these assumptions that he wants to find a nice girl and settle down? Sure, it might help his image a little bit, but I would never encourage anyone (famous or not) who doesn't want a stable married lifestyle to enter into one. IMO, that would cause more problems than it would fix. I mean, it's not like all guys who are asses and womanizers suddenly become angels when they put a ring on a chicks finger, and married guys aren't immune to accusations of sexual assault and harassment. He just needs to figure out that if he wants to live the lifestyle of a womanizer that he needs to pick his ladies a lot more carefully, or find a madame to set him up with some "escorts" who will keep their mouths shut.

A Three hundred dollar hooker should do it :thumbsup: They dont kiss n tell unless they dont get paid.

Prok
03-14-2010, 10:38 PM
if he hasn't been charged by now, I doubt that he will.

You have to figure that McStabbin's lawyer is going to make them think twice about charging him if they don't have a clear case.

They may fear his lawyer and PI team but they fear public out-cry more. Charges and court date coming imo.

madtowndrunkard
03-16-2010, 09:57 AM
He will be charged. The DA is doing a couple things....

#1 he's letting things settle down. He wants the hysteria surrounding the case to chill out. Makes it easier to gather credible evidence / witnesses.

#2 Building a case..... From what I hear they are just now getting DNA from Ben. You need more then just DNA evidence to convict. DNA is the nail in the coffin. If the DA can get enough evidence to prove probable cause with out the DNA then you move to the next step. Get the DNA and file charges. Obviously the DA already has Ben's DNA on the victim. You send that to a lab to make sure it's usable. That takes time.

Given that they now want Ben's DNA sample...I would assume they have a usable sample on the victim to compare. The only reason you would need that is if you were planning on going to trial. If there was not enough supporting evidence to prove probably cause then there is no reason to take a DNA sample....Ben already admitted sexual contact. A DNA sample alone proves nothing.

It also sounds like the victim is trying to build a civil case. DNA evidence plus the word of an honest / innocent young girl may be enough for a jury to award $ to the victim. Good chance Ben just buys him self out of that.

pete74
03-16-2010, 10:02 AM
He will be charged. The DA is doing a couple things....

#1 he's letting things settle down. He wants the hysteria surrounding the case to chill out. Makes it easier to gather credible evidence / witnesses.

#2 Building a case..... From what I hear they are just now getting DNA from Ben. You need more then just DNA evidence to convict. DNA is the nail in the coffin. If the DA can get enough evidence to prove probable cause with out the DNA then you move to the next step. Get the DNA and file charges. Obviously the DA already has Ben's DNA on the victim. You send that to a lab to make sure it's usable. That takes time.

Given that they now want Ben's DNA sample...I would assume they have a usable sample on the victim to compare. The only reason you would need that is if you were planning on going to trial. If there was not enough supporting evidence to prove probably cause then there is no reason to take a DNA sample....Ben already admitted sexual contact. A DNA sample alone proves nothing.

It also sounds like the victim is trying to build a civil case. DNA evidence plus the word of an honest / innocent young girl may be enough for a jury to award $ to the victim. Good chance Ben just buys him self out of that.

i have no clue what they want the dna for because ben already admitted what they did but im hoping its not to compare with something like his skin under her fingernail because that would be the nail in the coffin

chacha
03-16-2010, 04:46 PM
why's that the final nail? She might have been scratching his back in ecstasy!

pete74
03-16-2010, 04:54 PM
why's that the final nail? She might have been scratching his back in ecstasy!

that will depend were the scratch is if there even is one. obviously i was speaking hypothetically but if she did scratch his face, arms, neck, etc it would show she was fighting him off. i seriously doubt thats the case but was just throwing it out there because everyone was assuming they were checking dna because they found seman on her mouth or something

pete74
03-16-2010, 04:59 PM
with that said im one of the ones that feel ben will not be charged. i wouldnt bet my bank account on it but i feel he wont be. what i would bet the account on is him being found not guilty. i fully belive he will never be found guilty of sexual assult.

chacha
03-16-2010, 05:38 PM
well now I agree with you there Pete!

pete74
03-16-2010, 05:49 PM
well now I agree with you there Pete!

what a shame

chacha
03-16-2010, 07:19 PM
yes it is isnt it?

Prok
03-16-2010, 07:37 PM
Wow i can't believe all the "no" votes.

Sure we haven't been given the most reliable info in this case, no doubt.

But just about everything that's leaked out of this mess so far (IF TRUE) has been in the girl's favor imo.

This crap ain't looki'n good ppl....

nikstar
03-17-2010, 11:32 AM
What has leaked out that's in the girls favour? Am I happy they are getting DNA? Ofcourse not, that means that yes a charge will probably happen, and I am going to have to hear about this nonsense for another few months. But in my mind there must not be a shred of evidence to this case, the ONLY thing to leak out, was so unbelievably in Ben's favour... Or did you forget that two, local police officers are willing to testify that they saw nothing suspicious all night, and that 20 year old mcunderager was both drinking like a fountain, and all over our stud, all American, 2 time superbowl winning, 10 million dollar a year, QB.

So unless Ben's DNA proves that he has the genes of a rapist, I think the case would be pretty much in Ben's favour, I mean if he is charged.

Whatever happens I do not want him to settle out of court. Cases like this that are resolved out of court always come back to haunt you and would leave Steeler fans with doubt. Make HER pay, make her stand infront of the court and every newspaper in the world and not only apologize to Ben, but admit that it was her who initiated the supposedly inappropriate(sp?) sexual contact.

pete74
03-17-2010, 11:58 AM
What has leaked out that's in the girls favour? Am I happy they are getting DNA? Ofcourse not, that means that yes a charge will probably happen, and I am going to have to hear about this nonsense for another few months. But in my mind there must not be a shred of evidence to this case, the ONLY thing to leak out, was so unbelievably in Ben's favour... Or did you forget that two, local police officers are willing to testify that they saw nothing suspicious all night, and that 20 year old mcunderager was both drinking like a fountain, and all over our stud, all American, 2 time superbowl winning, 10 million dollar a year, QB.

So unless Ben's DNA proves that he has the genes of a rapist, I think the case would be pretty much in Ben's favour, I mean if he is charged.

Whatever happens I do not want him to settle out of court. Cases like this that are resolved out of court always come back to haunt you and would leave Steeler fans with doubt. Make HER pay, make her stand infront of the court and every newspaper in the world and not only apologize to Ben, but admit that it was her who initiated the supposedly inappropriate(sp?) sexual contact.


incase you dont know there is always the chance that ben initated.

markymarc
03-20-2010, 12:26 PM
At this point I would be surprised if charges are filed against Ben.