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Fire Haley
03-21-2010, 12:54 PM
'We have the votes now' for health bill

chairman of House Democratic Caucus tells CNN.

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WASHINGTON - The chairman of the Democratic caucus in the House said on Sunday that his party had the 216 votes needed to pass President Barack Obama's historic health care bill.

Speaking on ABC's "This Week," Connecticut Rep. John Larson said, "We have the votes now as we speak."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35961584/ns/politics-health_care_reform

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IRS to become ObamaCare Gestapo

According to the House Ways and Means Committee, if ObamaCare passes, it will createabout 16,500 new IRS jobs to act as a health care police, enforcing some of the most intrusive and tyrannical provisions of this widely rejected and illegal take-over.

Under the legislation, thousands of agents will be sifting through our most intimate personal information, making sure that we have all made "acceptable" health care choices. The IRS will also be able to fine us up to $2,250 or 2% of our annual income for failing to purchase Democrat-approved health insurance, and will be able to confiscate our tax returns to get the money.


http://www.examiner.com/x-35976-Conservative-Examiner~y2010m3d21-IRS-to-become-ObamaCare-Gestapo

stillers4me
03-21-2010, 01:01 PM
If this passes, alot of Congress will lose their jobs soon.

At something good will come out it.

silver & black
03-21-2010, 01:12 PM
If this passes, alot of Congress will lose their jobs soon.

At something good will come out it.

Alot of them will lose their jobs, but I don't see anything good coming from this thing passing.

MACH1
03-21-2010, 01:53 PM
If this passes, alot of Congress will lose their jobs soon.

At something good will come out it.

And I (my family) will lose our business because of this.

Whats good about that?

Fire Haley
03-21-2010, 08:05 PM
Health Care Rule Passes, Clearing Way for Final Approval

By Tory Newmyer
Roll Call Staff
March 21, 2010, 6:30 p.m.

Democrats passed the rule on their massive health care overhaul with votes to spare Sunday evening on a 224-206 vote, clearing the way for passage later in the night.

A deal reached Sunday afternoon between the White House and Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and a band of Members opposed to abortion cleared the way for passage of the rule and the bill. President Barack Obama agreed to issue an executive order clarifying that no federal funding can be used to fund abortions.

GBMelBlount
03-21-2010, 08:07 PM
And I (my family) will lose our business because of this.

Whats good about that?

I am sorry to hear that Mach. :hug:

MACH1
03-21-2010, 08:19 PM
I am sorry to hear that Mach. :hug:

Then i'm going to become a lazy bastar* and live off the free stuff
i get on your dime. :wink02:

We only have 8-10 employees and this obaamacare is eventually going to be a death blow. Small business is going to suffer immensely from this crap bill.

St33lersguy
03-21-2010, 08:41 PM
I bet Stalin & Mao I mean Obama & Piglosi are happy that they've defeated, spited, & purposely harmed the american people. The people say they don't want these pigs deciding our health care treatment so they get more determined to pass it. Doesn't purposely going against the will of the people and harming them just to ram through your sound a lot like communism?

smokin3000gt
03-21-2010, 09:17 PM
Then i'm going to become a lazy bastar* and live off the free stuff
i get on your dime. :wink02:

We only have 8-10 employees and this obaamacare is eventually going to be a death blow. Small business is going to suffer immensely from this crap bill.

Our small business is right there with ya, man. We're barely staying in business as is. Only thing we can do is take the wait and see approach.

GBMelBlount
03-21-2010, 09:44 PM
Then i'm going to become a lazy bastar* and live off the free stuff
i get on your dime. :wink02:

We only have 8-10 employees and this obaamacare is eventually going to be a death blow. Small business is going to suffer immensely from this crap bill.


LOL. That was funny Mach.

Yes, unfortunately we have no freedom or choice here.

It is being forced down our throats whether the majority want it or not.

GBMelBlount
03-21-2010, 10:11 PM
I bet Stalin & Mao I mean Obama & Piglosi are happy that they've defeated, spited, & purposely harmed the american people. The people say they don't want these pigs deciding our health care treatment so they get more determined to pass it. Doesn't purposely going against the will of the people and harming them just to ram through your sound a lot like communism?

This is a representative republic / democracy right? So I would imagine this isn't the first time the government hasn't represented the will of the majority...either party.

The biggest concern here is the magnitude of the government getting involved in and controlling 1/6th of our economy.

Regardless of how minor this seems now, the camels nose is under the tent.

Once big government gets control of something, they can monopolize and bully like noone else if they choose too.

They don't always play by the same rules as capitalism.....where there is usually freedom of choice......

MACH1
03-21-2010, 10:33 PM
Our small business is right there with ya, man. We're barely staying in business as is. Only thing we can do is take the wait and see approach.

I hear ya!

The nature or our business is going to get hard, and I mean hard with this shitass bill. We own a assisted living facility, so not only are we going to get dinged with the insurance stuff, there's all the taxes that are going to go through the ceiling, we accept Medicaid too, at least for now. When you have only a set amount of rooms and a set amount for monthly rent, there's not much wiggle room on how much the business makes a month. Now add all this extra bullshit and were pretty much toast. We can't raise rates without pricing ourselves out of the market and Medicaid only pays so much, which isn't a lot to begin with and will be even less in the near future. Next is just waiting to see how much state fees and taxes go up. :mad:

I write this as the vote is being taken.

GBMelBlount
03-21-2010, 10:39 PM
I hear ya!

The nature or our business is going to get hard, and I mean hard with this shitass bill. We own a assisted living facility, so not only are we going to get dinged with the insurance stuff, there's all the taxes that are going to go through the ceiling, we accept Medicaid too, at least for now. When you have only a set amount of rooms and a set amount for monthly rent, there's not much wiggle room on how much the business makes a month. Now add all this extra bullshit and were pretty much toast. We can't raise rates without pricing ourselves out of the market and Medicaid only pays so much, which isn't a lot to begin with and will be even less in the near future. Next is just waiting to see how much state fees and taxes go up. :mad:

I write this as the vote is being taken.

I am sorry Mach....

A health care bill that puts care providers out of business.

The irony...

But Obama couldn't possibly be infringing on your freedom?.....

MACH1
03-21-2010, 10:45 PM
A health care bill that puts care providers out of business.

Sweet isn't it. Change we can believe in.

We are now officially a Socialist country.

http://amightywind.com/images/rip_america.jpg

SteelerEmpire
03-22-2010, 12:04 AM
We all knew this was going to pass when it go to a certain point in the process a couple of months ago... Obama just did something no other President has accomplished in around 70 yrs... This is a MAJOR victory for him and the Dems...

MACH1
03-22-2010, 12:06 AM
We all knew this was going to pass when it go to a certain point in the process a couple of months ago... Obama just did something no other President has accomplished in around 70 yrs... This is a MAJOR victory for him and the Dems...

:cookie:

fansince'76
03-22-2010, 12:53 AM
BOHICA. :moon:

Godfather
03-22-2010, 01:08 AM
We all knew this was going to pass when it go to a certain point in the process a couple of months ago... Obama just did something no other President has accomplished in around 70 yrs... This is a MAJOR victory for him and the Dems...

What exactly did He accomplish?

RunWillieRun
03-22-2010, 07:09 AM
What exactly did He accomplish?



Raping America and burning the Constitution?

HometownGal
03-22-2010, 08:37 AM
This is a MAJOR victory for him and the Dems...

This is a MAJOR kiss of death for him and the Dems when the elections roll around. In that respect, I can't say that I'm disappointed.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-22-2010, 08:51 AM
We all knew this was going to pass when it go to a certain point in the process a couple of months ago... Obama just did something no other President has accomplished in around 70 yrs... This is a MAJOR victory for him and the Dems...

I dont think so...not in the long run. Voters on both sides of the aisle are tired of their "representatives" failing to listen to them. I think you are going to see an extreme backlash against incumbants who voted along party lines instead of heeding the wishes of their constituants.

Rasmussen states that:
54% of people polled opposed the health care bill....
only 17% believe that the plan will actually reduce the cost of health care.
78% believe that taxes will be raised on the middle class to cover the cost of health care.
and 81% believe that the health care bill will eventually cost more than congress has told us.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform


Those are the facts...This bill was not backed by the public.

Godfather
03-22-2010, 09:48 AM
This is a MAJOR kiss of death for him and the Dems when the elections roll around. In that respect, I can't say that I'm disappointed.

Problem is the R's are a joke and will do nothing about this horrible bill :banging:

HometownGal
03-22-2010, 10:10 AM
Problem is the R's are a joke and will do nothing about this horrible bill :banging:

What really CAN they do at this point? The R's are currently outnumbered in both the Senate and House. The voters in the upcoming elections, as well as the 2013 Presidential election, need to voice their outrage with their vote and I have no doubt they will.

The elephants need to select and back 100% a respectable and viable candidate for the 2013 Prez election and sadly, thus far, other than possibly Mitt Romney, I can't say that I'd cast my vote for any of the rumored frontrunners. :banging:

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-22-2010, 10:39 AM
What really CAN they do at this point? The R's are currently outnumbered in both the Senate and House. The voters in the upcoming elections, as well as the 2013 Presidential election, need to voice their outrage with their vote and I have no doubt they will.

The elephants need to select and back 100% a respectable and viable candidate for the 2013 Prez election and sadly, thus far, other than possibly Mitt Romney, I can't say that I'd cast my vote for any of the rumored frontrunners. :banging:

Give me a ticket of Condoleezza Rice and Fred Thompson...and I will do backflips. That is a WHOLE lot of common sense right there!!!

Godfather
03-22-2010, 10:56 AM
What really CAN they do at this point? The R's are currently outnumbered in both the Senate and House. The voters in the upcoming elections, as well as the 2013 Presidential election, need to voice their outrage with their vote and I have no doubt they will.

The elephants need to select and back 100% a respectable and viable candidate for the 2013 Prez election and sadly, thus far, other than possibly Mitt Romney, I can't say that I'd cast my vote for any of the rumored frontrunners. :banging:

Romney?? The guy who signed off on this type of plan as governor?

I know the R's can't do anything right now but I meant when they're in power, they'll be the same nutless assclowns they were from 1994-2006.

HometownGal
03-22-2010, 11:10 AM
Give me a ticket of Condoleezza Rice and Fred Thompson...and I will do backflips. That is a WHOLE lot of common sense right there!!!

I've always said that Condi is the ONLY woman I would even consider voting for to be the POTUS. :thumbsup: Don't think that's gonna happen, though, as she has her sights set on becoming the next NFL Commish. That is a dream of hers and unfortunately, it will probably remain just that.

I know the R's can't do anything right now but I meant when they're in power, they'll be the same nutless assclowns they were from 1994-2006.

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree here, Godfather. Though there is still some anti-Bush sentiment out there (not so much now as our current POTUS makes Bush look almost God-like), GWB did do some good things as Prez (mainly during his first term). One of his agenda proposals that I particularly liked (but the Congress, Senate and IRS didn't) was his desire to eliminate the estate tax, which I have always felt was double-dipping and ludicrous.

Over these next couple of years before the 2013 Prez elections, the GOP must bust their asses to repair their damaged image and solidify the party across the board.

P.S. I didn't say I would necessarily vote for Romney, but out of the rumored GOP candidates out there, he is the most viable at this point imho, despite his boneheaded moves as a prior Governor.

Fire Haley
03-22-2010, 11:58 AM
For once, I agree with Al Sharpton - people will get what they deserve.

Al Sharpton: 'The American Public Overwhelmingly Voted for Socialism When They Elected President Obama'



"I think that the president and Nancy Pelosi get credit," Sharpton said. "I think this began the transforming of the country the way the president had promised. This is what he ran on."

And if that transformation is socialism, then so be it, he explained. That is what the American public "overwhelmingly" voted for.

"First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama," Sharpton said.

"Let's not act as though the president didn't tell the American people - the president offered the American people health reform when he ran. He was overwhelmingly elected running on that and he has delivered what he promised."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/03/22/al-sharpton-american-public-overwhelmingly-socialism-when-they-elected-pr#ixzz0ivKT1Ll0

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-22-2010, 01:34 PM
Then i'm going to become a lazy bastar* and live off the free stuff
i get on your dime. :wink02:

We only have 8-10 employees and this obaamacare is eventually going to be a death blow. Small business is going to suffer immensely from this crap bill.

Tax credits for businesses: Businesses with fewer than 25 employees and average wages of less than $50,000 could qualify for a tax credit of up to 35 percent of the cost of their premiums.

MACH1
03-22-2010, 01:41 PM
Tax credits for businesses: Businesses with fewer than 25 employees and average wages of less than $50,000 could qualify for a tax credit of up to 35 percent of the cost of their premiums.

Um ya, doesn't work for us. Try again.

Find me a business that has more than 1 employee and pays less than $50,000 a year in wages. I'm not that much of a cheap ass.

Not a business owner are ya!

steelerohio
03-22-2010, 02:07 PM
For once, I agree with Al Sharpton - people will get what they deserve.

Al Sharpton: 'The American Public Overwhelmingly Voted for Socialism When They Elected President Obama'



"I think that the president and Nancy Pelosi get credit," Sharpton said. "I think this began the transforming of the country the way the president had promised. This is what he ran on."

And if that transformation is socialism, then so be it, he explained. That is what the American public "overwhelmingly" voted for.

"First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama," Sharpton said.

"Let's not act as though the president didn't tell the American people - the president offered the American people health reform when he ran. He was overwhelmingly elected running on that and he has delivered what he promised."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/03/22/al-sharpton-american-public-overwhelmingly-socialism-when-they-elected-pr#ixzz0ivKT1Ll0

He's got a good point there. Peeps got too enamored with the way Obama talks so beautifully that they didn't bother to listen to what he was actually saying.

If Ron Paul runs, that who I am voting for. But please R's no more joke like McCain...

SteelCityMom
03-22-2010, 02:14 PM
He's got a good point there. Peeps got too enamored with the way Obama talks so beautifully that they didn't bother to listen to what he was actually saying.

If Ron Paul runs, that who I am voting for. But please R's no more joke like McCain...

I would faint if Paul actually got the nod for the Republican ballot...he won't though, he rubs too many elephants the wrong way. They don't want things to change THAT much lol.

BIGBENFASTWILLIE
03-22-2010, 04:12 PM
Um ya, doesn't work for us. Try again.

Find me a business that has more than 1 employee and pays less than $50,000 a year in wages. I'm not that much of a cheap ass.

Not a business owner are ya!

What kind of business do you own?

MACH1
03-22-2010, 04:20 PM
Assisted Living facility and a custom painting shop which is just me, myself and I.

GBMelBlount
03-22-2010, 04:33 PM
I would faint if Paul actually got the nod for the Republican ballot...he won't though, he rubs too many elephants the wrong way. They don't want things to change THAT much lol.

My wife & I like Ron Paul.

However he is not what you would call "charismatic"..... unless of course you consider Elmer Fudd & eeyore charismatic.

SteelCityMom
03-22-2010, 04:45 PM
My wife & I like Ron Paul.

However he is not what you would call "charismatic"..... unless of course you consider Elmer Fudd & eeyore charismatic.

Yeah I know...the same way that Perot wasn't charismatic enough for the American public, even though he had very well thought out, and workable plans that he wanted to implement as POTUS.

To say the least it ticks me off that the majority of the American public are not willing to look past who the best speaker is. Too many people look at political issues with too much emotion and not enough objectivity and, as we are seeing now, it leads to bad decision making.

SteelerEmpire
03-22-2010, 06:48 PM
Romney?? The guy who signed off on this type of plan as governor?

I know the R's can't do anything right now but I meant when they're in power, they'll be the same nutless assclowns they were from 1994-2006.

lol...

GBMelBlount
03-22-2010, 07:50 PM
Romney?? The guy who signed off on this type of plan as governor?

I know the R's can't do anything right now but I meant when they're in power, they'll be the same nutless assclowns they were from 1994-2006.

This could indeed be a problem for Romney IMO. How he handles his involvement with government run healthcare in MA could make or break his campaign, should he run.

Bng_Hevn
03-23-2010, 12:30 PM
Um ya, doesn't work for us. Try again.

Find me a business that has more than 1 employee and pays less than $50,000 a year in wages. I'm not that much of a cheap ass.

Not a business owner are ya!

Where do you live that $50K per year per employee is cheap? What jobs do they do that would make that amount of money cheap? Are they registered nurses? I don't know anything about the medical industry and its wages, but unless you live in central LA where housing is in the millions, $50K for a salary is probably not that bad.

Although it being good vs bad is relative to skill and demand.

MACH1
03-23-2010, 01:03 PM
Where do you live that $50K per year per employee is cheap? What jobs do they do that would make that amount of money cheap? Are they registered nurses? I don't know anything about the medical industry and its wages, but unless you live in central LA where housing is in the millions, $50K for a salary is probably not that bad.

Although it being good vs bad is relative to skill and demand.

I said more than one employee. Just two people making minimum pretty much eats up that 50k in a year. In the business you have people on the clock 24/7/365. Some are CNA's, some are NA,s and thankfully my wife is a RN. You have to have a RN at the very least come in once a month and do assessments on the residents, they also are on call for the job 24/7 in case something happens or someone gets sick. At $35 an hour thats not cheap, like I said that's a cost we don't have to out right pay. Also with an assisted living you have to have an Administrator, which we don't have to pay for since we both have our Administrator licenses. If we didn't it would cost us a minimum of $2500 a month to hire one. Then there's the cook, we only serve home cooked meals, which so far we've been able to avoid. The girls like to cook and each shift does the cooking. Which reminds me of the dietitian you have to have come in every so often. Then there's the activities director that does the daily exercises and activities to keep the residents busy and active doing different things. Need I go on?

Right now we have 7 full timers and 3 part timers and not one of them make minimum.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-23-2010, 01:32 PM
Where do you live that $50K per year per employee is cheap? What jobs do they do that would make that amount of money cheap? Are they registered nurses? I don't know anything about the medical industry and its wages, but unless you live in central LA where housing is in the millions, $50K for a salary is probably not that bad.

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Let me help with that...

Find me a business that has more than 1 employee and pays less than $50,000 a year in wages

steelax04
03-23-2010, 01:47 PM
Tax credits for businesses: Businesses with fewer than 25 employees and average wages of less than $50,000 could qualify for a tax credit of up to 35 percent of the cost of their premiums.

I believe this means average wages per employee under $50,000... not total wages of ALL employees. If it meant total wages, the word average wouldn't be in there.

SteelCityMom
03-23-2010, 02:09 PM
I said more than one employee. Just two people making minimum pretty much eats up that 50k in a year. In the business you have people on the clock 24/7/365. Some are CNA's, some are NA,s and thankfully my wife is a RN. You have to have a RN at the very least come in once a month and do assessments on the residents, they also are on call for the job 24/7 in case something happens or someone gets sick. At $35 an hour thats not cheap, like I said that's a cost we don't have to out right pay. Also with an assisted living you have to have an Administrator, which we don't have to pay for since we both have our Administrator licenses. If we didn't it would cost us a minimum of $2500 a month to hire one. Then there's the cook, we only serve home cooked meals, which so far we've been able to avoid. The girls like to cook and each shift does the cooking. Which reminds me of the dietitian you have to have come in every so often. Then there's the activities director that does the daily exercises and activities to keep the residents busy and active doing different things. Need I go on?

Right now we have 7 full timers and 3 part timers and not one of them make minimum.

The wording is somewhat confusing, but as steelax said, it's the average income of all employees for businesses with 25 or less employees. I have to say, when I owned a small business, a tax break on healthcare would have been a very, very welcome gift. Part of the reason we had to close down was because we couldn't afford health insurance for our 15 employees (not to mention ourselves) and the insane building code taxes that Pittsburgh likes to add into the mix. We should have been making good money, but it was all going into someone else's pocket.

MACH1
03-23-2010, 04:19 PM
The wording is somewhat confusing, but as steelax said, it's the average income of all employees for businesses with 25 or less employees

Thats a little better. Reading is fundamental. :chuckle:

Just have to see what happens.

SteelCityMom
03-23-2010, 06:06 PM
Thats a little better. Reading is fundamental. :chuckle:

Just have to see what happens.

Yeah, I suppose so. I do hope you get the help you need in this respect though. Any kind of break for a small business owner is a big one.

St33lersguy
03-23-2010, 08:58 PM
This is a representative republic / democracy right? So I would imagine this isn't the first time the government hasn't represented the will of the majority...either party.

The biggest concern here is the magnitude of the government getting involved in and controlling 1/6th of our economy.

Regardless of how minor this seems now, the camels nose is under the tent.

Once big government gets control of something, they can monopolize and bully like noone else if they choose too.

They don't always play by the same rules as capitalism.....where there is usually freedom of choice......

This is the first time that the democrats had to bribe their politicians and change the rule like this just to get what they wanted when they knew the people didn't want it. The way this was passed was not an example of representitive republic/democracy

HometownGal
03-23-2010, 10:18 PM
Since this thread was started before the debacle of a health care plan was officially voted on and put into action this past weekend, I'm going to leave this thread stand.