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tony hipchest
03-23-2010, 05:11 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d81714d0c&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

ORLANDO, Fla. -- There's nothing like talking with a few coaches and personnel people at the NFL Annual Meeting to help you get a better feel for the draft.

Sunday night, before I finished this mock draft, I got to speak with more than a dozen of the key people running their team's draft. Those decision-makers aren't going to tell me (nor would I ask) who they are taking in April, even if they knew for sure at this point. But they will talk about how much they like or dislike certain players.

A typical response when I ask about a certain player would be, "We don't even have a first-round grade on the guy," or "You missed on a few guys we really like." Hear that comment from three or four different people and it is grounds for an adjustment in the mock draft.

Plenty has changed in one week. We saw a general manager with two first-round picks (San Francisco's Scot McCloughan) leave his job last week. A couple of influential pro days occurred. Florida linebacker Brandon Spikes certainly didn't help himself with his 5.05 40-yard dash time at the Gators' pro day. Free-agent signings and trades slowed down a bit this past week but Philadelphia's acquisition of DE Darryl Tapp and the loss of Tapp in Seattle had to affect the next mock draft. The Charlie Whitehurst trade shed some more light on what Seattle's first-round intentions are with its two picks. Joey Porter getting paid in Arizona could mean the Cardinals are headed in a different direction at the bottom of the first round.

Most of the volatility in this draft rehearsal took place with the defensive linemen, excluding top picks Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy.

Two players -- Nate Allen and Charles Brown -- dropped out of the first round. They are replaced by two players who had been in earlier versions, Anthony Davis and Devon McCourty. As for each team's selections, keep in mind one or two decisions that change in the top 10 picks can have a big ripple effect all the way through the round. Seventeen players are in different spots this week. That may sound like a lot, but until we get closer to April 22, it is a reality.


notables-

18. Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
The Steelers have other needs, but they need a corner now. They lost Bryant McFadden last year in free agency and their other corners are either old or inconsistent. The Ravens and the Bengals are both bolstering their receivers, meaning the Steelers need to improve at corner. (Previous pick: Wilson)


21. Cincinnati Bengals
Taylor Mays, S, USC
The Bengals may have Earl Thomas and Carlos Dunlap on the board to choose from, and some would say Mays should be lower in the draft. The truth is the Bengals will get better on defense at this spot no matter what they do. Mays will impress the coaches with his knowledge of the game, and his dedication is unquestioned. (Previous pick: Jason Pierre-Paul)


27. Dallas Cowboys
Earl Thomas, DB, Texas
This is a big slide for Thomas, whom I had going at No. 10 to Jacksonville last week. He may go higher than this spot, but if he's here, he solves a problem in the Dallas secondary. Thomas is a fine player (but not without his critics here at the owners meetings). (Previous pick: Nate Allen)

pete74
03-23-2010, 05:55 PM
i like wilson better then hadden

tony hipchest
03-23-2010, 06:07 PM
i like wilson better then haddenkirwan still has him going to SF with the 17th selection. the thought of landing the #1 or #2 ranked cb is nice, especially if they can live up to it.

im real curious to know what the scuttlebut is about earl thomas though.

Galax Steeler
03-24-2010, 04:16 AM
kirwan still has him going to SF with the 17th selection. the thought of landing the #1 or #2 ranked cb is nice, especially if they can live up to it.

im real curious to know what the scuttlebut is about earl thomas though.

He is going to be our new safety this year.:chuckle:

SteelMember
03-24-2010, 10:49 AM
kirwan still has him going to SF with the 17th selection. the thought of landing the #1 or #2 ranked cb is nice, especially if they can live up to it.

im real curious to know what the scuttlebut is about earl thomas though.

Wison is a great looking player. His knock to this point has been his zone coverage play. He is more of a man, press coverage guy, as is Hayden.

I would find it really difficult to pass on Thomas though. (27 is the lowest I've seen since he declared)
Even IF we passed, I don't think he gets by Houston @ 20.

He shows some big time potential. Most sites are showing him at CB because he is a bit undersized for the physical game he plays. I have read comparisons to a certain Steelers SS, but he's got a ways to go before I can put him in the same sentence.

El-Gonzo Jackson
03-24-2010, 11:26 AM
Yeah, I am curious too as to why Thomas would drop that far.

Honestly I would be happy with Hayden, Wilson or McCourty. The latter 2 also are kick returners, so have added benefit in the ST game.

tony hipchest
03-24-2010, 08:53 PM
i havent read it yet, but appearantly don banks has an article today on SI.com saying that 10-11 of the 1st round ranked draft prospects failed drug tests at the combine.

i would lay money on "cypher blunt" thomas being 1 out of 3. :hunch:

nikstar
03-24-2010, 11:39 PM
trade down to get some more picks, trade up to pick one all star.. one or the 2

St33lersguy
03-26-2010, 03:01 PM
I give this mock draft an F. I am just using common sense here and I may be wrong but I seriously doubt a franchise with 2 superbowl wins in these past 5 years will pass up Earl Thomas and Dan Williams for Kyle Wilson. Just a thought.

tony hipchest
03-26-2010, 07:03 PM
:toofunny: i knew it wouldnt be long before our resident kirwan hater would chime in. :rolleyes:

then again, last year he thought there was no way the world champions would pass up on a CB for a DE.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d80f53f26&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

This is such a surprising (& bad) mock, this is a must read. I don't want to spoil anything

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-27-2010, 04:53 AM
I like where Kirwan is going...and think that bolstering our secondary is a primary need.

Unless Thomas is one of those who failed the drug test I think we might still draft him at #18 due to his versatility....my darkhourse is still McCourty who I think might end up being the best CB in this class, though I am beginning to think that the 49ers might take him earlier than any one is currently thinking. The more I look at the 49ers needs, the more I think McCourty seems like the perfect fit...he would be a day one starter at CB and fill their need for a return specialist.

steelerdave1969
04-01-2010, 09:33 PM
If the Steelers dont have a chance at a Top OT or OG ( Iupati ) and Kyle Wilson is there I hope the Steelers nab him at 18 for sure. The guy has Star written all over him in my opinion.

tony hipchest
04-05-2010, 10:15 PM
kirwan does 2nd round in his latest mock. heres a name i dont think ive heard associated with the steelers...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817560ca&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

There are only six active quarterbacks with a Super Bowl ring. Right after that group of elite quarterbacks sits Donovan McNabb, who is now a Washington Redskin … for less than a first-round pick!

Here are the ripple effects the McNabb trade might have on the draft:

The Eagles could easily select USC safety Taylor Mays in the first round and then -- with two second-round picks -- they can get Penn State linebacker Navorro Bowman and a longshot defensive end, Austen Lane from Murray State.

Jimmy Clausen falls in the draft. There may be a landing spot at No. 9 (Buffalo), but if he does not get selected there he could start to slide like Aaron Rodgers did in 2005.

The Redskins may move out of the No. 4 spot to acquire a second-round pick to make up for the one they lost in the McNabb trade.

If the Redskins stay put, they most likely would love one of the offensive tackles; Anthony Davis has to be considered

The Eagles have five of the top 87 draft selections totaling 1,815 trade points -- which means they could move all over this draft or stay put and fill the roster with all kinds of talent.

The biggest effect of the trade may be on Oakland at No. 8, Buffalo at No. 9, and Denver No. 11. Those teams need to reevaluate personnel and ready their draft boards.

Here's my latest mock draft, which has 12 changes in the first round and includes the second round choice based on what the team did in the first round.


18. Pittsburgh Steelers
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
The Steelers need a starting corner and Wilson's return skills come in handy. With the Bengals and Ravens beefing up their passing attacks Pittsburgh has to improve in coverage. (Previous pick: Wilson; second round: John Asamoah, G/C, Illinois)

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-06-2010, 08:42 AM
kirwan does 2nd round in his latest mock. heres a name i dont think ive heard associated with the steelers...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817560ca&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

Love Kirwan....He and Rick Gosselin are the two writers who I religiously follow in regards to the inside draft scoop.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-06-2010, 09:53 AM
Yeah, I am curious too as to why Thomas would drop that far.



I am trying to find the article....but I read that a few teams were concerned about his size....and that at least one GM "wondered" if he hadn't drank a gallon of water before he weighed in. They went on to say that he plays more like a CB and they doubted he could play safety in the NFL at his size.

(I found that humerous since he is virtually the same size as Troy and bigger than the Colts safety, Bob Sanders, who plays the position very well in my opinion)

El-Gonzo Jackson
04-06-2010, 09:46 PM
kirwan does 2nd round in his latest mock. heres a name i dont think ive heard associated with the steelers...

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817560ca&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

I'll honestly be disappointed if the Steelers take Asomoah in round 2 when Bruce Campbell, Jared Veldheer, Nate Allen, Corey Wooten, Navarro Bowman, Donald Washington, Brandon Spikes and ESPECIALLY Matt Tennant are still on the board like in Pat's mock.

Asomoah is not a mauler like the Steelers covet and IMO not any better than Shaun Lauvao or John Jerry. Matt Tennant is still a bit light at 6'5" 300lbs, but can add bulk to his frame and has great feet. Sorry, but I dont like reaching for a 3rd round OG when so much other talent is on the board..........and the Steelers already got a 3rd round guard last year.

Nighthawk
04-07-2010, 09:44 PM
Kirwas brings up an interesting point in his 5th mock draft.

Jacksonville doesn't have that many draft picks. They are in a prime position to move DOWN to pickup extra picks. The Steelers have 10 draft picks, and most of those rookies probably won't make our team which puts us in a prime position to move UP. At the 10th slot, we would have a full range of players to choose from (Haden, Thomas, Wilson, even Berry if he slides).