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Leftoverhard
03-29-2010, 02:05 PM
The group, known as Hutaree, planned to kill an unidentified local law-enforcement official in April and then attack local, state and federal officers who come to Michigan to attend the official's funeral, the U.S. Attorney for the Easter District of Michigan said in a statement.

According to an indictment of the nine individuals, which was unsealed on Monday, the group had planned to use homemade bombs and had practiced attacks and other military maneuvers with automatic weapons for more than a year.

After attacking the funeral, the group planned to retreat to a remote "rally point" from which Hutaree members would fight off an expected response by law enforcement, the U.S. attorney's office said in a statement. Hutaree hoped this would spark a wider uprising against the federal government.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575151663088415470.html?m od=rss_whats_news_us

Borski
03-29-2010, 02:08 PM
Wow, I'm glad they caught them before something happened.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-29-2010, 02:24 PM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304370304575151663088415470.html?m od=rss_whats_news_us

Maybe it will help even out the political odds inside the prison...but dont worry...you still have. and always will have, a strong majority there.


Minority Prison Inmates Skew Local Populations as States Redistrict
by Jonathan Tilove, Newhouse News Service. March 12, 2002


Nearly half of New York state's prisons are located in the overwhelmingly white, rural upstate districts represented by four Republican state senators. While the inmates cannot vote, their numbers count as population for redistricting and augment the leverage of the senators in whose districts they are incarcerated. The Auburn Correctional Facility is in the 53rd Senate District of Michael F. Nozzolio.

The inmates at Attica prison in western New York state are represented in Albany by state Sen. Dale Volker, a conservative Republican who says it's a good thing his captive constituents can't vote, because if they could, "They would never vote for me."....

....And if those same prison inmates were instead counted in the communities whence they came, the population of urban districts would swell, setting in motion reciprocal ripples that would increase the Democratic electorate in those same competitive districts. Wagner estimates the net effect of changing how prisoners are counted could gain urban Democrats two seats in both the New York House and Senate.
http://www.prisonpolicy.org/news/newhousenews031202.html

chacha
03-29-2010, 02:36 PM
^ wtf someone posts something about some nuts and you make it a political thing about Dems in prison? Interesting stretch there

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-29-2010, 02:46 PM
^ wtf someone posts something about some nuts and you make it a political thing about Dems in prison? Interesting stretch there

As usual...you are having problems following along. Let me help.

Leftoverhard posted a thread with no value except to somehow "prove" that people on the right are so..."bad"....that they were arrested.

Along the same lines I responded to show him that the majority of those "bad" people being arrested and incarcerated are from the left.

It was a helpful little post showing him that (keep your fingers crossed) either:

a) We can arrest more of those right wingers and even up the odds...or
b) Give prisoners the right to vote so that the Left can REALLY have their voices heard.

No charge for that. I'm just a nice guy by nature. By the way, how come you have never sent me a friend request?

Leftoverhard
03-29-2010, 02:50 PM
Wow, I'm glad they caught them before something happened.

That's one of things about these militia guys - they leave a trail, they talk and they generally do some pretty dumb-criminal stuff - if the authorities are paying attention (which they are, like never before), these groups are relatively "easy" to figure out.
The bad thing is: they are multiplying like wet gremlins.

Leftoverhard
03-29-2010, 03:12 PM
LLT - Two terror groups made international news today. I posted this one up here because it was getting late in the day and (surprise) no one had even mentioned it yet here in the locker room.
The 3 or 4 non-uber conservative posters on this website RARELY ever post anything newsworthy having anything to do with something that would enrage you. We are too busy arguing with your vincent and your venom and your, well, You (and so on) about Obama's ugly wife or how Obama is just like hitler or his birth certificate or some other below-the-belt boo-hoo nonsense in one of the 17 I-hate-health-care debates.

If one tree-hugger guy popped a hummer tire with a butter knife and it was reported on worldnetdaily but nowhere else, it would be ranted and raved about here for days.

I posted this because it's important. These are our very own homegrown terrorists, the kind that breed McVeigh, or like Eric Rudolph, the kind that bomb the Atlanta Olympics, the kind that kill doctors and bomb gay night clubs to make religious/political points - and in turn become folk heroes to the radical right. These guys are currently more of a threat to the USA than any other kind of terrorist. Not important? Try again.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-29-2010, 03:15 PM
For the record...I believe ANY group found to be preparing...planning...stockpiling...or initiating an attack against any American person/organization/building/property should be prosecuted under the full extent of the law.

For instance...I am against abortion of any kind. I donate to causes that are pro-life. That being said...my belief that abortion is murder would NEVER let me condone the bombing of abortion clinics or the killing of abortion doctors.

My beliefs (as most peoples) are based on ethics and morality, and "my side" doing something wrong in the misplaced belief that the end justifies the means makes them hypocrites....period.

That is one of the things that bother me about the health reform debate. I belief that most of the people on the opposite side of the aisle are just as ethically and morally observant as I am...HOWEVER....too many on the left have placed ethics to the side with some ill-concieved notion that its "okay" that the Dems voted agaisnt the will of the American people.....because its passage somehow makes them feel that they have "won".

That is so very sad.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-29-2010, 03:15 PM
LLT - Two terror groups made international news today. I posted this one up here because it was getting late in the day and (surprise) no one had even mentioned it yet here in the locker room.
The 3 or 4 non-uber conservative posters on this website RARELY ever post anything newsworthy having anything to do with something that would enrage you. We are too busy arguing with your vincent and your venom and your, well, You (and so on) about Obama's ugly wife or how Obama is just like hitler or his birth certificate or some other below-the-belt boo-hoo nonsense in one of the 17 I-hate-health-care debates.

If one tree-hugger guy popped a hummer tire with a butter knife and it was reported on worldnetdaily but nowhere else, it would be ranted and raved about here for days.

I posted this because it's important. These are our very own homegrown terrorists, the kind that breed McVeigh, or like Eric Rudolph, the kind that bomb the Atlanta Olympics, the kind that kill doctors and bomb gay night clubs to make religious/political points - and in turn become folk heroes to the radical right. These guys are currently more of a threat to the USA than any other kind of terrorist. Not important? Try again.

I will take your word that you had no intent...and I retract my statement with an apology.

Borski
03-29-2010, 03:19 PM
LLT - Two terror groups made international news today. I posted this one up here because it was getting late in the day and (surprise) no one had even mentioned it yet here in the locker room.
The 3 or 4 non-uber conservative posters on this website RARELY ever post anything newsworthy having anything to do with something that would enrage you. We are too busy arguing with your vincent and your venom and your, well, You (and so on) about Obama's ugly wife or how Obama is just like hitler or his birth certificate or some other below-the-belt boo-hoo nonsense in one of the 17 I-hate-health-care debates.

If one tree-hugger guy popped a hummer tire with a butter knife and it was reported on worldnetdaily but nowhere else, it would be ranted and raved about here for days.

I posted this because it's important. These are our very own homegrown terrorists, the kind that breed McVeigh, or like Eric Rudolph, the kind that bomb the Atlanta Olympics, the kind that kill doctors and bomb gay night clubs to make religious/political points - and in turn become folk heroes to the radical right. These guys are currently more of a threat to the USA than any other kind of terrorist. Not important? Try again.

Who here is promoting them as heroes? They are domestic terrorist.

I dont see who we have to turn this into a political debate or anything (directed at everyone in the thread)

ARKIESTEEL
03-29-2010, 03:22 PM
LLT - Two terror groups made international news today. I posted this one up here because it was getting late in the day and (surprise) no one had even mentioned it yet here in the locker room.
The 3 or 4 non-uber conservative posters on this website RARELY ever post anything newsworthy having anything to do with something that would enrage you. We are too busy arguing with your vincent and your venom and your, well, You (and so on) about Obama's ugly wife or how Obama is just like hitler or his birth certificate or some other below-the-belt boo-hoo nonsense in one of the 17 I-hate-health-care debates.

If one tree-hugger guy popped a hummer tire with a butter knife and it was reported on worldnetdaily but nowhere else, it would be ranted and raved about here for days.

I posted this because it's important. These are our very own homegrown terrorists, the kind that breed McVeigh, or like Eric Rudolph, the kind that bomb the Atlanta Olympics, the kind that kill doctors and bomb gay night clubs to make religious/political points - and in turn become folk heroes to the radical right. These guys are currently more of a threat to the USA than any other kind of terrorist. Not important? Try again.



Just wondering not trying to stir the pot but was the guy that bombed the Olympics tied to any known militia? And just how many gay night clubs have there been bombed guess down here in Arkansas we dont get that news about all the gays that get killed in night club bombings. I will give you Mcveigh cant argue about that nut job any at all. I just dont see guys running around in Militias as the biggest threat we have, and stats dont back that up at all. Males between the ages of 18 and 34 from the middle east that are part of known hate groups is where that focus of biggest threat should fall. Just my thoughts..............

Leftoverhard
03-29-2010, 03:29 PM
I will take your word that you had no intent...and I retract my statement with an apology.

:drink: I have been talking about these two incidents all day long - it's really the only thing on my mind.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-29-2010, 03:30 PM
I posted this because it's important. These are our very own homegrown terrorists, the kind that breed McVeigh, or like Eric Rudolph, the kind that bomb the Atlanta Olympics, the kind that kill doctors and bomb gay night clubs to make religious/political points - and in turn become folk heroes to the radical right. These guys are currently more of a threat to the USA than any other kind of terrorist. Not important? Try again.

I dont know who looks up to these guys as heros...please elaborate on that statement.

As for them being more of a threat to the USA than any other kind of terrorist....I would present as evidence the Inner-City Gangs who by sheer A) numbers B) propensity for violence C) destruction of property D) cost to the American taxpayer in preventive measures....make militias look like boy scouts.

ARKIESTEEL
03-29-2010, 03:32 PM
I dont know who looks up to these guys as heros...please elaborate on that statement.

As for them being more of a threat to the USA than any other kind of terrorist....I would present as evidence the Inner-City Gangs who by sheer A) numbers B) propensity for violence C) destruction of property D) cost to the American taxpayer in preventive measures....make militias look like boy scouts.

You know I had not thought about that, but you are correct about the gang problem for sure. Even around here in this sleepy little part of the world we are getting them

Leftoverhard
03-29-2010, 03:37 PM
Who here is promoting them as heroes? They are domestic terrorist.

I dont see who we have to turn this into a political debate or anything (directed at everyone in the thread)

Borski - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph
If you had followed this, you would know about Eric Rudolph as a fugitive and how he had lots of help while he was on the lam. that's the classic definition of a folk hero.
There was a forest ranger killer back in the early 80's who was shielded by a very large network of anti-government folks for a very long time. If I remember his name, I'll link you up.

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-29-2010, 03:42 PM
Borski - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Robert_Rudolph
If you had followed this, you would know about Eric Rudolph as a fugitive and how he had lots of help while he was on the lam. that's the classic definition of a folk hero.
There was a forest ranger killer back in the early 80's who was shielded by a very large network of anti-government folks for a very long time. If I remember his name, I'll link you up.

Eric Rudolph was a "hero"...perhaps...to a small group of anit-abortionist extremists...thats all.

ARKIESTEEL
03-29-2010, 03:44 PM
Eric Rudolph was a "hero"...perhaps...to a small group of anit-abortionist extremists...thats all.

Never understood why Dems are pro-abortion but anti death penalty and Repubs are anti-abortion and pro death penalty.

Seems a little twisted one or the other:noidea:

chacha
03-29-2010, 04:27 PM
^ I never got that either, I'm pro choice and pro death penalty

Leftoverhard
03-29-2010, 04:34 PM
I'll emphasize the word "homegrown" Here's a worldnetdaily link to the dhs report story: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=94803
dhs came out with a report last year emphasizing homegrown terrorism. This included organized gangs, Americans with Al Qaeda connections, violent religious groups, right wing militias, etc.

Here's a "folk hero" link: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1004966,00.html
Since he didn't look as if he had stumbled out of a cave, investigators believe Rudolph must have received help over the years. "If he's been living in a mobile home, you'd assume quite a few people knew he was there," says Ronald Baughn, a retired federal law-enforcement agent who helped investigate the Atlanta and Birmingham bombings. Indeed, Rudolph had become a local folk hero. In Murphy, T shirts and coffee mugs appeared saying RUN RUDOLPH, RUN.

Here's a gay club bombing link for that person who didn't believe me about that.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_0027.htm

Leftoverhard
03-29-2010, 04:37 PM
Eric Rudolph was a "hero"...perhaps...to a small group of anit-abortionist extremists...thats all.

I certainly didn't mean he was a hero to any large group of people - that's why I said radical right. Someone felt comfy enough to sell mugs and t-shirts to the general public though.

Fire Haley
03-29-2010, 04:41 PM
I say the feds are after the Rapturites

Another Waco and Ruby Ridge?




Militia group may have been targeting Muslims

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0329/hutaree-militia-video/


CNN report suggests Antichrist-fearing militia group hosted Tea Party

"Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment," Hutaree.com reads. "The only thing on earth to save the testimony and those who follow it, are the members of the testimony, til the return of Christ in the clouds. We, the Hutaree, are prepared to defend all those who belong to Christ and save those who aren't. We will still spread the word, and fight to keep it, up to the time of the great coming."

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-30-2010, 08:40 AM
Never understood why Dems are pro-abortion but anti death penalty and Repubs are anti-abortion and pro death penalty.

Seems a little twisted one or the other:noidea:

In my mind...one is an innocent...and the other has proven they cannot live among society.

ARKIESTEEL
03-30-2010, 09:39 AM
In my mind...one is an innocent...and the other has proven they cannot live among society.

I would agree with that, just seems weird that a group would argue about it

lamberts-lost-tooth
03-30-2010, 09:45 AM
I would agree with that, just seems weird that a group would argue about it

I get REAL confused about those who are pro-abortion yet anti-death penalty.:noidea:

steelerdude15
03-30-2010, 11:43 AM
That's one of things about these militia guys - they leave a trail, they talk and they generally do some pretty dumb-criminal stuff
Yeah, they had a website as well, idiots. I say we charge them as terrorist, but they'll be in jail for a while because of conspiracy of attempting to take control of the government. Does anyone know if they caught the one of the run?