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SteelerEmpire
03-30-2010, 03:06 PM
The most important question we have... LINK: http://www.newsweek.com/id/235462

vasteeler
03-30-2010, 05:48 PM
interesting article i have never believed in heaven or hell .I think when your done, your done.

Matty™
03-31-2010, 06:17 AM
interesting article, makes sense and the tunnel sensation I have always thought is simply your sight failing one final time and not some imaginary pathway into heaven (or hell for you naughty people).

As said above I think once you're done, you're done there is no afterlife or heaven & hell. I thought I would believe in it as I love reading up on the Egyptians whose race is one that believed in afterlife more strongly than most any other civilisation, they went to great measures to make sure they were cattered for in the afterlife. Even workers and those not so lucky in life (like the Pharoahs) would spend the moments away from the enduring labour of work on their own burial chambers, creating a world fit for the next life.

I do not pity them or even think they're wrong to have done that, that is what they believe I just don't which is why I suppose I find them such an intriguing civilisation to read up on.

When you see that tunnel, basically you're thoroughly ****ed, it's you final chance to say goodbye as once that tunnel gets smaller and smaller and thus turns into darkness you're gone, not even purgatory will meet your gaze as you can gaze no more.

Job done, hope you lived your life to the fullest, RIP.

:helmet:

SteelerEmpire
03-31-2010, 11:06 AM
interesting article, makes sense and the tunnel sensation I have always thought is simply your sight failing one final time and not some imaginary pathway into heaven (or hell for you naughty people).

As said above I think once you're done, you're done there is no afterlife or heaven & hell. I thought I would believe in it as I love reading up on the Egyptians whose race is one that believed in afterlife more strongly than most any other civilisation, they went to great measures to make sure they were cattered for in the afterlife. Even workers and those not so lucky in life (like the Pharoahs) would spend the moments away from the enduring labour of work on their own burial chambers, creating a world fit for the next life.

I do not pity them or even think they're wrong to have done that, that is what they believe I just don't which is why I suppose I find them such an intriguing civilisation to read up on.

When you see that tunnel, basically you're thoroughly ****ed, it's you final chance to say goodbye as once that tunnel gets smaller and smaller and thus turns into darkness you're gone, not even purgatory will meet your gaze as you can gaze no more.

Job done, hope you lived your life to the fullest, RIP.

:helmet:

A couple of somewhat logical arguments 'for' an afterlife are:
1. If we can exist here, on earth in our current lives as we know them, why can't there be 'another' existence ? Another life form we 'transfer' into... because after all, since we live and breathe now, that proves that "existence is possible". Now,
2. A fundamental law of physics is: matter or energy (the very 2 things that give us life here on earth) cannot be created (come from nothingness) or destroyed (made into nothingness) only transferred into another form. In other words, matter or energy can never be created... and can never be destroyed... so therefore 'life' must go on because the two things that give us life (matter and energy) do... it just consistently changes form... according to physics.
Those two ideas are the first steps in the research process to provide a proof for "heaven" ( if you will ). But only the first steps... a full complete proof, of course, has not been found yet...

vasteeler
03-31-2010, 11:15 AM
inever understood the "energy can not be destroyed" theory
i think if something were to die the energy goes with ii would think that our energy comes from our brain
kill the brain kill the energy:noidea:

Matty™
03-31-2010, 11:21 AM
A couple of somewhat logical arguments 'for' an afterlife are:
1. If we can exist here, on earth in our current lives as we know them, why can't there be 'another' existence ? Another life form we 'transfer' into... because after all, since we live and breathe now, that proves that "existence is possible". Now,
2. A fundamental law of physics is: matter or energy (the very 2 things that give us life here on earth) cannot be created (come from nothingness) or destroyed (made into nothingness) only transferred into another form. In other words, matter or energy can never be created... and can never be destroyed... so therefore 'life' must go on because the two things that give us life (matter and energy) do... it just consistently changes form... according to physics.
Those two ideas are the first steps in the research process to provide a proof for "heaven" ( if you will ). But only the first steps... a full complete proof, of course, has not been found yet...

I understand the fact that everyone has matter, hence why I do find it strange that upon death we lose 21 grams of weight, not in terms of body mass leaving us through water loss, air loss, just magically 21 grams dissapears which I think is startling.

Despite this I still believe that our energy simply floats into the atmosphere and doesn't transfer or form into something else in it's afterlife. Yes existence is possible, but highly doubtful in my eyes, one existence is given to us no more.

I do find both arguments very interesting and love reading up on some scientific studies such as the body losing 21 grams in weight at the point of death in a vacuum.

Even with hard scientific evidence I doubt I'll ever believe in an afterlife or a heaven sadly. :thumbsup:

MACH1
03-31-2010, 11:31 AM
Lets leave it to the pro's. :chuckle:

http://www.glogster.com/media/2/4/64/33/4643381.jpg

Matty™
03-31-2010, 12:59 PM
Lets leave it to the pro's. :chuckle:

http://www.glogster.com/media/2/4/64/33/4643381.jpg

nah Sam and Dean are the mean sons of a gun who can find any damn ghost :tt02:

Preacher
04-01-2010, 05:10 PM
I'm not really sure why that article was written. The experts readily admitted that all they had was guess work. They were putting forth educated guess on what happens, based on the foundational assumption that there is no afterlife.

I am happy they were honest about it... but can see absolutely no reason for the article itself.

revefsreleets
04-01-2010, 05:35 PM
I think this is actually more simple than we've built it out to be over the last 10,000 years.

If you die and believe there is absolutely NOTHING awaiting you, well, that's just it. That sucks!

Humans have incredible imaginations. Not only have those imaginations created spectacular works of fiction, but they've also spawned huge leaps in science by questioning and observing and experimenting. It's no special extra leap at all to put tab A in slot A and reasonably hypothesize that humans have, over great periods of time, invented something bigger and better awaiting us other than a black and empty void.

As Preach likes to say, it's the ultimate metanarrative....the grandest story about a story ever told, ingrained into our collective thinking over the accumulated millennium....and it's certainly better than believing in than the boring and awful (and most probably real) vast emptiness of eternal nothingness that ultimately awaits us when we shuffle off this mortal coil.

AllD
04-01-2010, 06:02 PM
Although I do not believe in an afterlife, I do believe in reincarnation. If you were evil in a previously life I believe you come back as a Cincinnatti Bungle.

Matty™
04-02-2010, 04:46 AM
I think this is actually more simple than we've built it out to be over the last 10,000 years.

If you die and believe there is absolutely NOTHING awaiting you, well, that's just it. That sucks!

Humans have incredible imaginations. Not only have those imaginations created spectacular works of fiction, but they've also spawned huge leaps in science by questioning and observing and experimenting. It's no special extra leap at all to put tab A in slot A and reasonably hypothesize that humans have, over great periods of time, invented something bigger and better awaiting us other than a black and empty void.

As Preach likes to say, it's the ultimate metanarrative....the grandest story about a story ever told, ingrained into our collective thinking over the accumulated millennium....and it's certainly better than believing in than the boring and awful (and most probably real) vast emptiness of eternal nothingness that ultimately awaits us when we shuffle off this mortal coil.

maybe you've pretty much summed up why Heaven was created. Not so much a truth more a propaganda tool so instead of people thinking that after death we were simply nothing, that maybe after death we went to a better place.

Undoubetedly invented to make our way of life better so we would always think we were working towards something better in the afterlife when the reality really is that we have nothing waiting for us, the light us your last chance to say goodbye.

WH
04-02-2010, 01:20 PM
Could the 21 grams be the force (in weight) being exerted by all of our bodily functions?

Matty™
04-02-2010, 05:06 PM
Could the 21 grams be the force (in weight) being exerted by all of our bodily functions?


no because the weight was measured in a vacum, any weight loss via fluids and the like although may leave the body but not the container of the dead person hence why the 21 grams is as of yet a mystery.

Some say it's the soul, others our energy, I just think it's something to do with the electrical charge that all humans posess

SteelerEmpire
04-02-2010, 11:18 PM
no because the weight was measured in a vacum, any weight loss via fluids and the like although may leave the body but not the container of the dead person hence why the 21 grams is as of yet a mystery.

Some say it's the soul, others our energy, I just think it's something to do with the electrical charge that all humans posess

We actually know so little about electricity its not even funny. Human beings have walked the earth for I don't know how long, yet we've only been studying electricity seriously for about 200 yrs. 'Maybe' our souls have 'something' to do with electricity...? It is interesting...

WH
04-03-2010, 06:25 AM
Maybe the collective mass of the electricity being sent throughout our brains?