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Bng_Hevn
04-02-2010, 10:37 AM
Hey all.

I'm looking for some advice on getting a quality radar detector. I've seen them as high as $500 but am wondering the quality between that and one for $200.

Does anyone have experience with them?

I plan on getting a Challenger or a Charger in the next year and I want to get a detector that goes along with it. Not that I'm planning to speed mind you, I've always wanted a detector so I figured I'd get one now.

Indo
04-02-2010, 01:10 PM
Here's the thing...

The cops are savvy to radar detectors these days. Back when they first came out the radar guns were "continuous"---they shot a steady beam of radar and the detectors detected it and alarmed and the driver slowed down in plenty of time to see the cop car and wave :wave:

But the radar guns are "instant-on" now. You're driving (just a hairs-breadth over the speed limit (!)) and the cop points the radar gun at you and the beam hits your car and the detector alarms. Problem is---BAM!---you've already been clocked over the speed limit. The detector did its job----but the sneaky cop used an "instant-on" gun that causes the detector's alarm to go off after you've been "painted" with the radar and you're caught!

And don't forget that radar detectors are illegal in a lot of states---the cops can confiscate it (and give you a ticket for it)----and you're out hundreds of dollars.

Sometimes they work...sometimes they work too late!
Is it worth the $$ ?

BTW, I'm just sayin'....not that I would know anything about radar detectors (!!) :wink02:

MACH1
04-02-2010, 01:54 PM
The best radar detector around is the little button on the steering wheel that says "cruise control". :flap:

Steelerstrength
04-02-2010, 05:05 PM
Most people I know use the Valentine 1. I love that it can detect laser or radar in front and behind you. It read various signals and can tell you the radar/laser type (garage door, traffic light, call box, laser, radar gun.) The signal strength is either illustrated or auditory (you control the volume), and it will display where the signal is coming from, front, lateral, or behind. It can also detect signals that have bounced off of other cars in front of you, especially if a gun is used from the roadside- picking specific cars.

This unit can save you time and tickets!

It also pays to use common sense while driving. If you are the lead car you must be more careful! Any gun can snag you if you don't slow down while coming up on blind corners and elevation changes. But, if you are not the lead car, or are weaving thru, the detector/locator will serve you well with it's ability to read signals that rebound off the other cars.

Don't buy the cheap units that do not actually locate the signal!


http://www.valentine1.com/

smokin3000gt
04-02-2010, 05:30 PM
Valentine One.

Like Indo said that most cops are savvy to radar detectors and don't keep it on constantly. He is right. Most keep it off until they pop you. BUT the Valentine one is SO good (I've had mine for about 7-8 yrs) is all it takes is them to turn it on ONCE for someone else within 3 - 5 miles from you and you know he's out there AND you'll even know which direction he is in.

As long as you're not the front runner hauling ass you are OK. It's ridiculous how good this thing is. I've looked at my odometer when I get the first warning and it has picked them up 5+ miles away. It's expensive but I have EASILY saved that much in tickets. I'm not an avid speeder but they are asses down here and have crazy speed traps.

Godfather
04-02-2010, 06:16 PM
Valentine One.

Like Indo said that most cops are savvy to radar detectors and don't keep it on constantly. He is right. Most keep it off until they pop you. BUT the Valentine one is SO good (I've had mine for about 7-8 yrs) is all it takes is them to turn it on ONCE for someone else within 3 - 5 miles from you and you know he's out there AND you'll even know which direction he is in.

As long as you're not the front runner hauling ass you are OK. It's ridiculous how good this thing is. I've looked at my odometer when I get the first warning and it has picked them up 5+ miles away. It's expensive but I have EASILY saved that much in tickets. I'm not an avid speeder but they are asses down here and have crazy speed traps.

But that doesn't help if they do something like drop the speed limit 20 mph with no warning...then you might be going 65 because that's legal and the cop is waiting 2 feet past the "Speed Limit 45" sign to nail you.

(I'm going by the legal definition of a speed trap in Louisiana, based on the law that made it illegal for local law enforcement to set them up.)

Fire Haley
04-02-2010, 06:16 PM
I've used the K40 for many years too, and like it a lot.

On the open road I get warnings easliy from 2-3 miles away, around the city it doesn't go off all the damn time like my friends' cheap ass Cobra crap and still spots everything. (Never had a ticket (knock on wood)

$100 less that the $400 they want for a Valentine One too..

http://www.walcottcb.com/images/products/RD850/RD850.jpg

Total Immunity From Speeding Tickets K40 Electronics will pay any or all radar or laser speeding tickets you get for one year after purchase.

http://www.walcottcb.com/k40-rd850-with-ticketfree-guarantee-p-768.html

MACH1
04-02-2010, 06:27 PM
Here's the thing...

The cops are savvy to radar detectors these days. Back when they first came out the radar guns were "continuous"---they shot a steady beam of radar and the detectors detected it and alarmed and the driver slowed down in plenty of time to see the cop car and wave :wave:

But the radar guns are "instant-on" now. You're driving (just a hairs-breadth over the speed limit (!)) and the cop points the radar gun at you and the beam hits your car and the detector alarms. Problem is---BAM!---you've already been clocked over the speed limit. The detector did its job----but the sneaky cop used an "instant-on" gun that causes the detector's alarm to go off after you've been "painted" with the radar and you're caught!

And don't forget that radar detectors are illegal in a lot of states---the cops can confiscate it (and give you a ticket for it)----and you're out hundreds of dollars.

Sometimes they work...sometimes they work too late!
Is it worth the $$ ?

BTW, I'm just sayin'....not that I would know anything about radar detectors (!!) :wink02:

And some don't even use a radar gun. They have set points and they time you with a stop watch. Ask me how I know.

smokin3000gt
04-02-2010, 07:29 PM
But that doesn't help if they do something like drop the speed limit 20 mph with no warning...then you might be going 65 because that's legal and the cop is waiting 2 feet past the "Speed Limit 45" sign to nail you.

(I'm going by the legal definition of a speed trap in Louisiana, based on the law that made it illegal for local law enforcement to set them up.)



Yup and sometimes they use a laser but none of us expect to be invisible. They're pretty sneaky down here..

AllD
04-02-2010, 08:11 PM
I use a Golden Eagle II which shoots XA radar at target vehicles. Good patrol strategy can be used to defeat any radar detector. Remember, radar detectors are not a license to steal or "Get Out of Jail Free" card. They will improve your odds of avoiding a speeding ticket, but they will not guarantee it or increase your safety. Speeding is responsible for loss of control of your vehicle and reckless driving.

During commutes I often observe vehicles with radar detectors suction cupped to their windshields and purposely shoot at them from my unmarked. It is funny how some people behave and others are completely careless. I am a private subcontractor, but if I was an officer I could easily write tickets all day long specifically targeting detector equipped speeders.

SteelerEmpire
04-02-2010, 10:13 PM
I heard that theirs some device out (or in the making) that allows you to punch in a selected speed of your choice, say 60 mph, when your actually doing 75. It then sends a signal to the policeman's radar when it picks your car up that your actually doing 60...

Galax Steeler
04-03-2010, 04:40 AM
I heard that theirs some device out (or in the making) that allows you to punch in a selected speed of your choice, say 60 mph, when your actually doing 75. It then sends a signal to the policeman's radar when it picks your car up that your actually doing 60...

I have never heard of that sounds pretty neat though.

Bng_Hevn
04-03-2010, 01:57 PM
After posting here, I immediately went and googled radar detector forums and found many. There are forums outside of football. Hmmm, go figure.

Anyway, the Valentine 1, aptly known as V1, is the clear favorite.

I generally only do 8 MPH over the speed limit and don't speed much more unless i'm in a group of vehicles. I would just like to know what's around and I've never really trusted any detectors before so didn't want to spend the money.

So, I figure I'll get a V1.

Going X MPH, is it easy to spot them on the windshield? What I don't want to have happen is for a cop to pull me over and confiscate it. I drive a lot to VA where it is illegal to even have it in your vehicle. I'd put it away immediately there but if I were to forget I'd be screwed out of $400 ... if they were to take it.

Does anyone have a clear list of its use in all states? I tried googling it but (wow googling is a word that passes spellcheck???? Times are a changing) found garbage, nothing clear and at least looks like a "legit" source.

MACH1
04-03-2010, 02:34 PM
This is what I found from a quick search. Not sold on the valentine.

http://www.radarbusters.com/belescortvalentinearticle.cfm
The Valentine does have the advantage of having dual antennas, allowing its directional arrows identify the direction that the radar is coming from. However, Radar Roy and other reviewers have all agreed, that the filtering on the Valentine 1 is inferior. So much so that in the November 2004 issue of Autoweek magazine's review, they called the Valentine 1 the "Chicken Little of radar detectors".

One of the best independent reviews we have ever seen concerning the comparisons between the Escort, Bel and Valentine radar detectors was performed by Bob (The Veil Guy) and his wife Lisa. It is titled The Ultimate Real-World Radar Detector Review '05 and is posted on his website LaserVeil.com. Bob and Lisa examined the real-world performance of these top three radar detectors during a 2300 mile trip that covered five states, in which they encountered virtually every form of radar/laser speed enforcement currently in use today. This extensive report covers price, quality, display, alert, performance along with other important features.

In Bob's report, he ranked the Beltronics RX65 as the the top performer " Think of the Bel as a high-performance sports car that can act as daily driver .

May just be an old article though.


Then of course you might just want to save the money you spend on a detector to pay your speeding tickets.

http://www.radartest.com/article.asp?articleid=1064
One of the best-kept secrets of the radar detector industry has been the substandard performance of many new detectors--regardless of brand or price--in countering the latest police radar guns. The new radar guns share three characteristics which, together, have been causing endless headaches for detector designers--not to mention lead-footed drivers.

These new "smart" radar guns use DSP, digital signal processing, making them lightning-fast. In a recent test of front-line police radars, in stationary mode (parked at roadside) I found it possible to put them on RF Hold, not transmitting but ready to fire and, when a target approached, with a press of a button I could transmit, confirm a target speed and lock it in less than 0.40 second. Clairvoyance isn't required to guess the outcome of an encounter like this.

These new digital radar guns are ultra-low powered compared to their forebears and most use Ka band, a lethal combination. The weak signal is tougher to detect and Ka band makes the job even harder because of its extraordinarily wide bandwidth, 2.6 Gigahertz, some 52 times wider than X band. Since radar can be anywhere within the spectrum, detectors must search the entire band looking for signals, a time-consuming process that dramatically lowers sensitivity--and detection range--if conventional signal processing techniques are used.

Many of the new radars have Fastest Speed, allowing the officer to press a button and clock the fastest vehicle, impossible to do with analog radar but easily handled by DSP. No more hiding behind 18-wheelers or slower traffic, bubba.

Not that even the best radar detector will make you invulnerable. Most new owners are thrilled when their detector goes off before a radar-equipped cruiser pops into view. But on other occasions the warning inexplicably is too late to be useful. And they're baffled by frequent K- and Ka-band false alerts when there isn't a police radar within 30 miles. Eventually they upgrade, figuring: If it's the most expensive, it must deliver the best protection, right?

Not necessarily. And if you happen to pick a model that's lousy at detecting POP-mode radar, you'll need divine intervention to get across some states with your license intact.

The only defense is to spot these new radars before they spot you, a job for a detector with superior Ka-band sensitivity. From an engineering standpoint this is hardly an impossible task although it definitely is expensive. Required are superior engineering, premium components, sophisticated programming and a lot of development time. But judging from the dismal Ka-band performance of many detectors in our past tests (some didn't go off until we were parked next to the radar gun) some manufacturers clearly hadn't responded to the challenge. This begs the question: have the manufacturers finally got a handle on this new threat?

To find out I gathered four high-end detectors from as many companies for a full test. Three were dash-mount models--the Escort Passport 8500 ($300), Beltronics (BEL) Vector 980 ($290, since replaced by the BEL Vector 995 model with similar features and performance) and the Valentine One ($399). The fourth was a three-piece remote that has the distinction of being the most expensive on the market, the K40 SS3000 (about $1400 including installation). (This model has since been replaced by the K40 Calibre model.

Here are the results, listed alphabetically.

Click the link for results. You may be surprised.

Steelerstrength
04-03-2010, 03:09 PM
I use a Golden Eagle II which shoots XA radar at target vehicles. Good patrol strategy can be used to defeat any radar detector. Remember, radar detectors are not a license to steal or "Get Out of Jail Free" card. They will improve your odds of avoiding a speeding ticket, but they will not guarantee it or increase your safety. Speeding is responsible for loss of control of your vehicle and reckless driving.

During commutes I often observe vehicles with radar detectors suction cupped to their windshields and purposely shoot at them from my unmarked. It is funny how some people behave and others are completely careless. I am a private subcontractor, but if I was an officer I could easily write tickets all day long specifically targeting detector equipped speeders.

There are plenty of us who are excellent drivers, and refrain from speeding near traffic and/or neighborhood streets. It also helps to have a well equiped vehicle.

Why would you drive around shooting your radar at cars equipped with detectors? Sorry but that's pretty lame.

Steelerstrength
04-03-2010, 03:11 PM
Mach, what kind of radar detector do you have now? Why?

MACH1
04-03-2010, 03:54 PM
Mach, what kind of radar detector do you have now? Why?

None...Other than common sense. Haven't had a ticket since '89 (knock on wood) and I'm not exactly a stickler for going the speed limit. I keep it under check in town, but out on the freeway I try to get away with what I can. Just have to be a little smarter about it, keep your eye's open and pay attention. Stay away from the 'convoys' of speeders, best way to get caught around here is being in a group. A lot of the cops here don't use their radar guns out on the freeway if they're parked. They have points they time you between and that tells them how fast you were going. A lot harder to fight in court, especially when a guy can clock a tree doing 160 on a breezy day. If they're mobile, that's where paying attention comes in, most of the time you can see them far enough off that you can slow down in time. Bottom line just don't get to crazy or stupid and save the money for other stuff.

Last ticket I got was cause I was stupid. I found out drag racing is almost as bad as a dui, insurance wise. At least I won and the cop was impressed when he finally caught up. :doh:

Steelerstrength
04-03-2010, 05:00 PM
None...Other than common sense. Haven't had a ticket since '89 (knock on wood) and I'm not exactly a stickler for going the speed limit. I keep it under check in town, but out on the freeway I try to get away with what I can. Just have to be a little smarter about it, keep your eye's open and pay attention. Stay away from the 'convoys' of speeders, best way to get caught around here is being in a group. A lot of the cops here don't use their radar guns out on the freeway if they're parked. They have points they time you between and that tells them how fast you were going. A lot harder to fight in court, especially when a guy can clock a tree doing 160 on a breezy day. If they're mobile, that's where paying attention comes in, most of the time you can see them far enough off that you can slow down in time. Bottom line just don't get to crazy or stupid and save the money for other stuff.

Last ticket I got was cause I was stupid. I found out drag racing is almost as bad as a dui, insurance wise. At least I won and the cop was impressed when he finally caught up. :doh:

Since '89?! That's what I call awareness! Great job!

I haven't had one for the last 12 years, but when I did get pulled over it was in my wifes car. I find seldom used, open roads for my ventures.

For me, the V1 is just another way to give me assurance that I'm doing everything possible to be safe, without having to be sorry for driving fast. (By that I mean not having to face unfortunate consequences of my own making.)

When you won, what did you beat? :thumbsup:

My last run was with a Ferarri F430. He tried the old ricer "high speed blow by" when it was only he and I on the road. I dropped into 3rd when he was right along side and it was on! Once we hit 145 I had a car and a half on him, so he lifted. Good times!

Of course I do not condone street racing!!!

MACH1
04-03-2010, 05:34 PM
Since '89?! That's what I call awareness! Great job!

I haven't had one for the last 12 years, but when I did get pulled over it was in my wifes car. I find seldom used, open roads for my ventures.

For me, the V1 is just another way to give me assurance that I'm doing everything possible to be safe, without having to be sorry for driving fast. (By that I mean not having to face unfortunate consequences of my own making.)

When you won, what did you beat? :thumbsup:

My last run was with a Ferarri F430. He tried the old ricer "high speed blow by" when it was only he and I on the road. I dropped into 3rd when he was right along side and it was on! Once we hit 145 I had a car and a half on him, so he lifted. Good times!

Of course I do not condone street racing!!!

It was a 68-69 dodge super bee. We both got caught that night. But it was from the last stop light on the way out of town. He pulled up and started the vroom vroom thing and of course being a youngster I couldn't resist. :chuckle: I had him by about car and a half and just shifted into third when I noticed the pretty lights behind us. After we received our trophies the other guy told me he would have beat me if his fuel pump wasn't going bad. :toofunny: My Mach isn't a freeway car or a long track car I guess ya call it. 1/4 mile is mostly what it's built for.


I took it up to Firebird in Boise about few years ago when a guy could sign waivers and race legally on weekends and my best time was 12.6 @ 124. Hoping to get that down a little bit this year with a fresh rebuild.

Fire Haley
04-03-2010, 06:10 PM
You need that speed in Idaho because it's a 100mi round trip to the "stripper" bar from Boise, and they don't even take it all off.

MACH1
04-03-2010, 06:57 PM
You need that speed in Idaho because it's a 100mi round trip to the "stripper" bar from Boise, and they don't even take it all off.

Nope, stripper bars in Salt Lake are better than what are in Idaho. Go figure. Good thing Nevada's only about a 45 min drive though. :chuckle: