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Vincent
04-03-2010, 12:15 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/01/AR2010040102805.html
Obama's policy of slapping allies

By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, April 2, 2010

What is it like to be a foreign ally of Barack Obama's America?

If you're a Brit, your head is spinning. It's not just the personal slights to Prime Minister Gordon Brown -- the ridiculous 25-DVD gift, the five refusals before Brown was granted a one-on-one with The One.

Nor is it just the symbolism of Obama returning the Churchill bust that was in the Oval Office. Query: If it absolutely had to be out of Obama's sight, could it not have been housed somewhere else on U.S. soil rather than ostentatiously repatriated? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html

Perhaps it was the State Department official who last year denied there even was a special relationship between the United States and Britain, a relationship cultivated by every U.S. president since Franklin Roosevelt.

And then there was Hillary Clinton's astonishing, nearly unreported (in the United States) performance in Argentina last month. She called for Britain to negotiate with Argentina over the Falklands.

For those who know no history -- or who believe that it began on Jan. 20, 2009 -- and therefore don't know why this was an out-of-the-blue slap at Britain, here's the back story:

In 1982, Argentina's military junta invaded the (British) Falkland Islands. The generals thought the British, having long lost their taste for foreign lands, would let it pass. Besides, the Falklands have uncountably more sheep than people. They underestimated Margaret Thatcher (the Argentines, that is, not the sheep). She was not about to permit the conquest of a people whose political allegiance and ethnic ties are to Britain. She dispatched the navy. Britannia took it back.

Afterward, neither Thatcher nor her successors have countenanced negotiations. Britain doesn't covet foreign dominion and has no shortage of sheep. But it does believe in self-determination, and it will negotiate nothing until and unless the Falkland Islanders indicate their desire to be ruled by a chronically unstable, endemically corrupt polity with a rich history of dictatorship, economic mismanagement and the occasional political lunacy (see: the Evita cult).

Not surprisingly, the Falkland Islanders have given no such indication. Yet inexplicably, Clinton sought to reopen a question that had been settled for almost 30 years, not just pointlessly stirring the embers but even taking the Argentine side (re: negotiations) against Britain -- a nation that has fought and bled with us for the past decade, and that today has about 10,000 troops, far more than any other ally, fighting alongside America in Afghanistan.

Of course, given how the administration has treated other allies, perhaps we shouldn't be so surprised.

-- Obama visits China and soon Indonesia, skipping India, our natural and rising ally in the region -- common language, common democracy, common jihadist enemy. Indeed, in his enthusiasm for China, Obama suggests a Chinese interest in peace and stability in South Asia, a gratuitous denigration of Indian power and legitimacy in favor of a regional rival with hegemonic ambitions.

-- Poland and the Czech Republic have their legs cut out from under them when Obama unilaterally revokes a missile defense agreement, acquiescing to pressure from Russia with its dreams of regional hegemony over Eastern Europe.

-- The Hondurans still can't figure out why the United States supported a Hugo Chávez ally seeking illegal extension of his presidency against the pillars of civil society -- Honduras's Congress, Supreme Court, church and army -- that had deposed him consistent with Article 239 of their constitution.

But the Brits, our most venerable, most reliable ally, are the most disoriented. "We British not only speak the same language. We tend to think in the same way. We are more likely than anyone else to provide tea, sympathy and troops," writes Bruce Anderson in London's Independent, summarizing with admirable concision the fundamental basis of the U.S.-British special relationship.

Well, said David Manning, a former British ambassador to the United States, to a House of Commons committee reporting on that very relationship: "[Obama] is an American who grew up in Hawaii, whose foreign experience was of Indonesia and who had a Kenyan father. The sentimental reflexes, if you like, are not there."

I'm not personally inclined to neuropsychiatric diagnoses, but Manning's guess is as good as anyone's. How can you explain a policy toward Britain that makes no strategic or moral sense? And even if you can, how do you explain the gratuitous slaps to the Czechs, Poles, Indians and others? Perhaps when an Obama Doctrine is finally worked out, we shall learn whether it was pique, principle or mere carelessness.
__________________________________________________ _____________________________

The rational mind wonders what possesses this man child to do the things he does. Some view him as a visionary. Some as a leftist ideologue that can't see beyond his visceral hatred for this country. Others, with experience and knowledge of specifics, see him as an uninformed dolt...

"Most of these people [in the Administration] have never had a real job in their lives. They don't understand a thing about business, and that includes the President," says a senior lobbyist for one of the companies that announced the charge. "My CEO sat with the President over lunch with two other CEOs, and each of them tried to explain to the President what this bill would do to our companies and the economy in general. First the President didn't understand what they were talking about. Then he basically told my boss he was lying. Frankly my boss was embarrassed for him; he clearly had not been briefed and didn't know what was in the bill." http://spectator.org/archives/2010/03/29/obama-in-rude-denial/print

He comes from a murky background, at best. He has no family foundation to speak of. He clearly lacks the citizen's love of country. He is so arrogant that he doesn't immerse himself in his own "policies" and the consequences of same. He is spectacularly ignorant of history, protocol, basic dignity, and the station he holds. What a disgrace. What an unholy disgrace.

MACH1
04-03-2010, 01:55 PM
Piss off our allies, bow and suck the enemies pole is this administrations m.o, along side with destroying this country.

Vincent
04-03-2010, 03:34 PM
Piss off our allies, bow and suck the enemies pole is this administrations m.o, along side with destroying this country.

And they're chasing "militias" around the countryside "saving us" from "sedition". :doh:

And ayers and his ilk that ACTUALLY are seditionists, and ACTUALLY did attack gubmint buildings and kill people are "professors" at "colleges". Yeah, thats linear.

MACH1
04-05-2010, 07:27 PM
Obaaama needs to pull his head out of his ass.

Hamid Karzai, afgan pres. is now threatening to join the taliban, only a week after meeting with the messiah.

MasterOfPuppets
04-05-2010, 07:55 PM
Obaaama needs to pull his head out of his ass.

Hamid Karzai, afgan pres. is now threatening to join the taliban, only a week after meeting with the messiah.
then his last thoughts can be "whats that humming noise" , as a predator fires a missile into his house...:chuckle:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/2963/a118predatorfiringhellf.jpg (http://img256.imageshack.us/i/a118predatorfiringhellf.jpg/)

ricardisimo
04-05-2010, 08:12 PM
Malvinas: When it was Spain that had an island right off of our coast, we felt pretty good about just taking it. When the Soviets made themselves at home on that same island we nearly blew up the planet. Considering how skittish we are about foreign powers in our sphere, you'd think you could extrapolate how the Argentines might feel.

Argentina is attempting to reclaim islands that were historically theirs, and certainly "gravitationally" so, considering the UK's distance. And besides, you know, Argentina is our ally too. That military junta that invaded the Falklands... do you know who put them in power? Would you like to read what Kissinger had to say to and about the Junta?

India: Common language? Really? I had better brush up on my Hindi, I guess. As for the common democracy, that is a very, very recent development, which correlates to a declining democracy in India. When they actually had a vibrant multi-party democracy, the U.S. couldn't say one nice word about them.

The common enemy aspect is perhaps more on the mark, but it's not as though China doesn't have Islamist issues within and around its sphere. If all it takes to be our friend is to have a common enemy, then we're doing pretty badly in this world.

Poland/Czech Rep.: Huh? Look... SDI is a boondoggle. I've never understood why conservatives, who supposedly demand government frugality and accountability, would insist on the biggest possible waste of taxpayer dollars. So, there will be a few hundred less jobs in Poland, but several thousand more in the US. And Eastern Europe can rest a little easier at night knowing that they won't have quite the same bull's eye painted on their asses.

Honduras: You and those "liberals" at the New York Times are just about the only people on the entire planet who saw what happened in Honduras as anything other than what it really was: a coup de êtat which was initially winked at by the Obama Administration, and from which they eventually backed away following immense public pressure from within the US as well as from without.

Israel: You didn't include it, so I am. The Israelis haven't heard a single critical word from the United States since the Liberty incident, so they must have felt completely blind-sided by various US officials pointing out the obvious to them. Little things like that it's illegal and counter-productive for them to continue building settlements on disputed lands, and that they (and US support for them) are fueling anti-US sentiments around the globe, and putting our troops at ever greater risk.

When George W. Bush was running roughshod over the planet - allies and enemies alike - how did you feel about that?

Vincent
04-05-2010, 11:01 PM
Malvinas: When it was Spain that had an island right off of our coast, we felt pretty good about just taking it.

“Taking it”? To which “Spanish” island do you refer? Y’mean Cuba? The “taking” part threw me. The history we were taught had the Spanish American War as a war of independence for Cuba, the Philippines, Puerto Rico and Guam. Were you taught a different version? I’m going to go with ours because it was much closer to the actual events.

When the Soviets made themselves at home on that same island we nearly blew up the planet.

Yeah, see you may not recall that the sovs had built missile bases in Cuba for the express purpose of offensive operations against the US. While I recall the events vividly, I don’t recall us “nearly blowing up the planet”. Again, maybe thats your “modern” “history”.

Considering how skittish we are about foreign powers in our sphere, you'd think you could extrapolate how the Argentines might feel.

I don’t care how the Argentines “feel” about the “Malvinas”. Although I do enjoy their wine and salmon. Chimichurri is delightful too. And Gaucho boots on chicks were hot, with the “right” outfit, of course.

IndiaI had better brush up on my Hindi, I guess.

No need. As is the case with the ROW, English is the “language of business”.

The common enemy aspect is perhaps more on the mark, but it's not as though China doesn't have Islamist issues within and around its sphere

Indeed. Islam is the common enemy in every theater. The sooner we all recognize that and deal with it, the better we’ll all be.

Poland/Czech Rep.: Huh? Look... SDI is a boondoggle.

SDI won the Cold War. Hardly a “boondoggle”. Unless, of course, you were rooting for the other team.

I've never understood why conservatives, who supposedly demand government frugality and accountability, would insist on the biggest possible waste of taxpayer dollars.

Well, now see, Ric, my understanding of “conservatives” is that they’re all hung up on the Constitution, and see the federal gubmint’s role as defender of the realm as their primary responsibility. So when you dangle a gizmo that shoots down commie missiles, they get all chubby. I think if you interviewed any one of them, they’d tell you that “the Great Society” was the biggest possible waste of taxpayer dollars, I mean, just going by the evidence.

Honduras: You and those "liberals" at the New York Times are just about the only people on the entire planet who saw what happened in Honduras as anything other than what it really was: a coup de êtat which was initially winked at by the Obama Administration, and from which they eventually backed away following immense public pressure from within the US as well as from without.

Yeah, why anybody would flinch at bho supporting a Hugo Chávez ally illegally extending his presidency is beyond me. People just need to mind their own business.

Israel: You didn't include it, so I am. The Israelis haven't heard a single critical word from the United States since the Liberty incident, so they must have felt completely blind-sided by various US officials pointing out the obvious to them. Little things like that it's illegal and counter-productive for them to continue building settlements on disputed lands, and that they (and US support for them) are fueling anti-US sentiments around the globe, and putting our troops at ever greater risk.

Again Ric, this issue is older than the dirt they’re fighting over. The settlements are being built on Israeli land. “Disputed lands”? Israel is “disputed land”. “Fueling anti-US sentiments”? Ric, do you seriously believe that if we were to pack up all our sporting equipment and return to our shores, that islam would have any different posture toward us? We are, despite what the Kenyan interloper tells the world, a Judeo-Christian nation. We’re in islam’s cross hairs “for the duration”. No amount of happy talk is going to change that.

When George W. Bush was running roughshod over the planet - allies and enemies alike - how did you feel about that?

By “running roughshod over the planet”, are you referring to Afghanistan and Iraq? Did they not show 9/11 in your school? But since you asked, I would have preferred that they had turned both to glass the day after they made ashtrays out of mecca and medina. Clearer message. Better expense management. No casualties. B-b-b-b-booosh had a “green light” on 9/12. The “compassionate conservative” got the better of him.

Leftoverhard
04-05-2010, 11:52 PM
And they're chasing "militias" around the countryside "saving us" from "sedition". :doh:
.

So...domestic terrorism isn't a threat. Just like racism is a figment of someone's imagination, just like Obama is a big muslim nazi and the moon is made of swiss cheese.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2849/murrah2eb.jpg

Leftoverhard
04-05-2010, 11:56 PM
“B-b-b-b-booosh had a “green light” on 9/12. The “compassionate conservative” got the better of him.

Oh, you mean 9/15 - 9/17 when he f-f-f-flew Bin Laden's entire family out of the country? :doh:

ricardisimo
04-06-2010, 12:02 AM
I'm dazzled. I'm flabbergasted. I'm all sorts of things. I certainly don't know where to begin. I guess we should start with your history books.

I'd like for you to find me any version of the Spanish-American War that neglects to mention that Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam were transferred directly to the U.S. (not "liberated"), or that Cuba's shiny new constitution expressly allowed the US to intervene in Cuba's internal affairs at will. Or, maybe we should check your definition of "independence". Does subservience to another country equate to independence?

If you'd prefer, please point me to the correct history books that will teach me how Afghanistan and Iraq played a part in 9/11. I missed that part somehow. I thought it was Saudis and Kuwaitis. You know, our allies.

As for your little bit at the end about "no casualties"... that's not funny, of course. I hope you didn't think it was funny when bin Laden rejoiced over his "minimal costs and casualties" executing the 9/11 attacks. That would be rather pathetic. I'm thinking you're a better human being than that.

MACH1
04-06-2010, 12:04 AM
Oh, you mean 9/15 - 9/17 when he f-f-f-flew Bin Laden's entire family out of the country? :doh:

Key word "OUT" of the country. Not keep them here and give them free healthcare.

ricardisimo
04-06-2010, 12:09 AM
Key word "OUT" of the country. Not keep them here and give them free healthcare.

Does someone have a "facepalm" jpeg handy? I'm all out.

MACH1
04-06-2010, 12:11 AM
So...domestic terrorism isn't a threat. Just like racism is a figment of someone's imagination, just like Obama is a big muslim nazi and the moon is made of swiss cheese.

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2849/murrah2eb.jpg

Looks like Bill Ayers's work.




http://pumaeyes.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/obama-ayers.jpg

Leftoverhard
04-06-2010, 12:38 AM
Looks like Bill Ayers's work.

Uh, no. I guess I'll have to remind you then. That must be embarrassing. Timothy McVeigh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing) murdered 168 people. William Ayers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers) didn't - not one. Forget that Obama barely even knew the guy.

Key word "OUT" of the country. Not keep them here and give them free healthcare.

Does someone have a "facepalm" jpeg handy? I'm all out.

Here you go

http://noshoesspeedworks.com/photos/silly/polar-bear-face-palm.jpg

Preacher
04-06-2010, 12:51 AM
[QUOTE=Leftoverhard;794050]Uh, no. I guess I'll have to remind you then. That must be embarrassing. Timothy McVeigh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing) murdered 168 people. William Ayers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers) didn't - not one. Forget that Obama barely even knew the guy.


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EKD-i4FkpnY/S7EUtbUFtEI/AAAAAAAACL4/oqiX3PHxqwM/seal-4.gif

MACH1
04-06-2010, 01:08 AM
Uh, no. I guess I'll have to remind you then. That must be embarrassing. Timothy McVeigh (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing) murdered 168 people. William Ayers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers) didn't - not one. Forget that Obama barely even knew the guy.




So that makes ayers a lesser terrorist or non terrorist?
Barley knew him, that's laughable.

Wait for it......wait......


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_GsvbKPdsPCo/SpOL15ztPLI/AAAAAAAAC5A/KnWHBI7qnAs/s400/obama+facepalm+presidency.jpg

tony hipchest
04-06-2010, 01:37 AM
[http://lh4.ggpht.com/_EKD-i4FkpnY/S7EUtbUFtEI/AAAAAAAACL4/oqiX3PHxqwM/seal-4.gif

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/dick-thumb.gif

ricardisimo
04-06-2010, 01:49 AM
So that makes ayers a lesser terrorist or non terrorist?

Umm... actually, not murdering anyone does make one a "lesser" terrorist than Timothy McVeigh (or a "greater" terrorist, depending on your perspective, I guess). Was that supposed to be a trick question?

Preacher
04-06-2010, 03:31 AM
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/dick-thumb.gif

semantics... right?

Leftoverhard
04-06-2010, 09:13 AM
Preacher

I would expect more from you than cute graphics as a deflection shield. I'll know better next time. Can't believe it's that important to be right. Okay, the moon is made of cheese, I get it.

Mach - I've come to expect nothing less - see above about the cheese.

Vincent
04-06-2010, 09:57 AM
I'm dazzled. I'm flabbergasted. I'm all sorts of things. I certainly don't know where to begin. I guess we should start with your history books.

I'd like for you to find me any version of the Spanish-American War that neglects to mention that Puerto Rico, the Philippines and Guam were transferred directly to the U.S. (not "liberated"), or that Cuba's shiny new constitution expressly allowed the US to intervene in Cuba's internal affairs at will. Or, maybe we should check your definition of "independence". Does subservience to another country equate to independence?

If you'd prefer, please point me to the correct history books that will teach me how Afghanistan and Iraq played a part in 9/11. I missed that part somehow. I thought it was Saudis and Kuwaitis. You know, our allies.

As for your little bit at the end about "no casualties"... that's not funny, of course. I hope you didn't think it was funny when bin Laden rejoiced over his "minimal costs and casualties" executing the 9/11 attacks. That would be rather pathetic. I'm thinking you're a better human being than that.

I'm disappointed Ric. You of all people, who is always admonishing us to not accept the pablum the gubmint propaganda ministry feeds us. I've come to respect your views and expect more from you.

I don't reject your perspective on the Spanish American war and the outcome. But I don't see it as the affront to humankind that you seem to. See, we were a very young republic and had this spiffy new navy and...

But 9/11, Iraq, Afghanistan, n'at have so much more to offer the probing anarchist mind than you allow them. Seek Ric. Its all there for you.

No, I didn't think it was funny when bin Laden and the muslim world rejoiced over 9/11. Thats why incinerating their "holy" cities on 9/12 would have been the appropriate response. But alas.

Vincent
04-06-2010, 10:12 AM
So...domestic terrorism isn't a threat. Just like racism is a figment of someone's imagination, just like Obama is a big muslim nazi and the moon is made of swiss cheese.

You and Ric should really look into OC. It surprises me that Ric hasn't. You? The "conventional wisdom" fits your views, so why would you? Here's a clue - Hussain Hashem Al Hussaini. G'head. Go for it.

"Racism" is both the heart of the left and one of its tools.

bho a muslim??!! The hell you say!! Where would anyone get the idea that someone named "barrack (actually baraka) hussein obama" is a muslim. You guys are such a stitch!

Swiss cheese? Thats just stupid. Everybody knows its green cheese.

Indo
04-06-2010, 10:36 AM
Swiss cheese? Thats just stupid. Everybody knows its green cheese.

How would we know? Nobody has ever landed on the Moon to take samples. It was all just a Gubmint Conspiracy. I will agree, however, that it does smell cheesy...so maybe that is where the scientific evidence came from. I'm told that these same scientists are working on some project regarding the temperature of the Earth, or something like that.

SteelCityMom
04-06-2010, 10:58 AM
You boys fight like you're married. :chuckle:

MACH1
04-06-2010, 12:03 PM
Preacher

I would expect more from you than cute graphics as a deflection shield. I'll know better next time. Can't believe it's that important to be right. Okay, the moon is made of cheese, I get it.

Mach - I've come to expect nothing less - see above about the cheese.

As long as it's free government cheese.

ricardisimo
04-06-2010, 01:49 PM
No, I didn't think it was funny when bin Laden and the muslim world rejoiced over 9/11. Thats why incinerating their "holy" cities on 9/12 would have been the appropriate response. But alas.

You're only saying that because Jesus would want us to kill them all.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-06-2010, 02:01 PM
Umm... actually, not murdering anyone does make one a "lesser" terrorist than Timothy McVeigh (or a "greater" terrorist, depending on your perspective, I guess). Was that supposed to be a trick question?

By that beautiful bit of non-logic we all now know that Osama Bin-Laden is less of a terrorist than Timothy McVeigh.

:doh:

ricardisimo
04-06-2010, 02:37 PM
By that beautiful bit of non-logic we all now know that Osama Bin-Laden is less of a terrorist than Timothy McVeigh.

:doh:

Huh? I'm sorry, I was sniffing glue again, and now I can't make sense of anyone's comments.

Vincent
04-06-2010, 02:40 PM
You're only saying that because Jesus would want us to kill them all.

No, Jesus would be appalled by such events.

It didn't happen, so all is moot.

lamberts-lost-tooth
04-06-2010, 02:55 PM
Huh? I'm sorry, I was sniffing glue again, and now I can't make sense of anyone's comments.

..and THAT is the missing piece of the puzzle to explain the majority of your posts.
:thumbsup:

Preacher
04-06-2010, 02:56 PM
Preacher

I would expect more from you than cute graphics as a deflection shield. I'll know better next time. Can't believe it's that important to be right. Okay, the moon is made of cheese, I get it.

Mach - I've come to expect nothing less - see above about the cheese.

Oh don't be such a drama queen. I actually found it someplace and laughed..... so I decided to find someplace to "share it" here.

This thread seemed like the perfect place, as "Ours is better than yours" seems to be the argument de jour around here.

(Never mind that everyone has condemned McVeigh... or that his positions historically have been linked to islamic terrorism).

tony hipchest
04-06-2010, 05:49 PM
How would we know? Nobody has ever landed on the Moon to take samples. .

telescopes.

As long as it's free government cheese.

nope. its the good stuff-

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/cheesemoon2.jpg

St33lersguy
04-06-2010, 05:59 PM
Barack Obama is incompetant. He does not know how to run this country. He is a spineless whimp who sees things only through the perspective of Marxism

ricardisimo
04-06-2010, 06:04 PM
Barack Obama is incompetant. He does not know how to run this country. He is a spineless whimp who sees things only through the perspective of Marxism

Ah! But he knows how to spell "incompetent" which is enough for many in this country.

Vincent
04-06-2010, 06:21 PM
Ah! But he knows how to spell "incompetent" which is enough for many in this country.

Ain't that the sad damn truth.

MACH1
04-06-2010, 07:40 PM
telescopes.



nope. its the good stuff-

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q23/shortyshane_2006/cheesemoon2.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5EXj-OigQW0/Sf0462u7_rI/AAAAAAAAAaE/FyvBqjIxF-c/s320/cheese.jpg