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The Definiti0n
04-11-2010, 11:27 PM
W.T.F.:mad:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/11/steelers-ship-santonio-to-the-jets/

KeiselPower99
04-11-2010, 11:27 PM
Seriously???

The Definiti0n
04-11-2010, 11:29 PM
Link up more info coming.

tyler289
04-11-2010, 11:35 PM
ESPN just reported this too. Wow.

Shea
04-11-2010, 11:36 PM
Whoa......

I know not to get caught up in internet rumors, especially coming from that site, but if this is true then I gotta go back to the beginning of my post.

Whoa.......

Cmdurand21
04-11-2010, 11:37 PM
I don't see where it says a 5th rd pick in 2011?

I also don't see it on ESPN site.

Edit: I see it. What.. The... F#$K

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2010, 11:37 PM
doesn't say anything about a 5th rd pick...:noidea:

Stang909
04-11-2010, 11:37 PM
Woah ......

I know not to get caught up in internet rumors, especially coming from that site, but if this is true then I gotta go back to the beginning of my post.

Woah .......

Well it was just reported on Sports Center so im thinking hes gone

polamalubeast
04-11-2010, 11:39 PM
W.T.F

Godfather
04-11-2010, 11:40 PM
Here it is:

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=5077088

I'm surprised that's all we could get for him, even with the off-field issues.

aclark99
04-11-2010, 11:41 PM
If this is true then do we draft Dez Bryant if he is there at the 18th pick? Will Bryant be able to keep himself straight? Now what do the Steelers do with Ben?

polamalubeast
04-11-2010, 11:42 PM
What a bad trade .... I'm furious:banging::banging::banging:

Shea
04-11-2010, 11:42 PM
Well it was just reported on Sports Center so im thinking hes gone

Just switched over to ESPN and the ticker is saying that this is true.

Wow.

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2010, 11:42 PM
Sources: Steelers trade Holmes



The Pittsburgh Steelers traded troubled wide receiver Santonio Holmes to the New York Jets for a fifth-round pick in this year's draft, sources confirmed Sunday night.

ESPN 1050 in New York first reported the story Sunday night.

Holmes had recently been accused of throwing a glass at a women in a lounge. No charges have been filed against him, and Holmes' lawyer, Adam Swickle, told The Associated Press a male witness has taken responsibility for tossing the glass.

Holmes was entering his fifth season with the Steelers and has 235 catches for 3,835 yards and 20 touchdowns. But he has also had off-the-field incidents. In 2006, he was involved with a domestic violence charge and in 2008, he was arrested for the possession of marijuana.

As a player, though, Holmes has the talent to be a No. 1 receiver. He was Super Bowl MVP in Super Bolw XLIII.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com. Information from ESPN.com's Tim Graham was used in this report.

a freakin 5th ??? :doh:

gobig99
04-11-2010, 11:43 PM
Think it's 2010 not 2011 but they stIll stole him from us. I think his contracts up soon but still I would say atleast a 3rd rounder, he's a playmaker. Is this a sign they're looking at the falling dez Bryant? He's no saint either.

JCPsteelers
04-11-2010, 11:44 PM
OMG.. What a joke this is.. Why cut him loose now? So he misses 4 games at the start of the year.. We could still use him next year.. i understand not signing him but just to give him away to an AFC team is pure robbery..



I don't get it..

Hines86Ward
04-11-2010, 11:44 PM
This is pathetic. One of the worst trades I've seen. WTF

Bluedust
04-11-2010, 11:45 PM
Absolutely insane. A 5th? Retarded.

Hell just keep him on the team and accept the 4 game suspension over a 5th round pick, Jesus.

Godfather
04-11-2010, 11:46 PM
Think it's 2010 not 2011 but they stIll stole him from us. I think his contracts up soon but still I would say atleast a 3rd rounder, he's a playmaker. Is this a sign they're looking at the falling dez Bryant? He's no saint either.

I'm going to guess that this means the suspension rumor is true, because someone else has admitted to throwing the glass. And I'll also guess they were planning on letting him go anyway so they might as well get something in return, but a 5th is still a bad deal.

Maybe they think they have enough depth at WR to make up for it.

Shea
04-11-2010, 11:46 PM
A 5th round ..... ???

Someone please explain this to me.

Rdp616
04-11-2010, 11:46 PM
A 5th round Pick, Are you F***ing kidding me? Let's just make the Jet's a powerhouse why don't we. I wouldn't of had a problem with it if we would've got somthing good but a 5th round pick, C'mon man. This just ruined my whole summer, seriously.

JCPsteelers
04-11-2010, 11:46 PM
Steelers actually have a pressing need in the draft and its A WIDE RECIEVER!

Mike Wallace and Hines the starters with Randle El as the 3 WR... I wouldn't call it pressing..


I do like the kid from ND.. The guy looks like a Steve Smith (CAR) clone.

CargoJon
04-11-2010, 11:47 PM
You have got to be effing kidding me.

Steel_Bus_24
04-11-2010, 11:47 PM
a 5th ffffing rounder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:


http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1182529/article_images/angry.jpg

polamalubeast
04-11-2010, 11:49 PM
I am really shocked and I'm really not happy

Any acquisition of a jet, he comes to have a leading receiver Santonio and thank you for having won the super bowl made in 2008.

I've always respected and surporter

steelers worst trade ever:banging::banging::banging::banging::mad::mad: :mad:

MattsMe
04-11-2010, 11:49 PM
Wow. Makes me think they know something we don't.

CargoJon
04-11-2010, 11:49 PM
There has to be something MAJOR here that is more behind the scenes that we know.

I mean, a FIFTH rounder for a guy that was a super bowl MVP 2 years ago??!!!??!!??

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2010, 11:49 PM
a 5th ffffing rounder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:


http://media.monstersandcritics.com/articles/1182529/article_images/angry.jpg
:rofl: ...hulk smash colbert !!!

Shea
04-11-2010, 11:50 PM
I wish one of you guys were here in my home.

I need someone to slap the WTF off my face and bring me back to earth.

Cmdurand21
04-11-2010, 11:50 PM
Mike Wallace and Hines the starters with Randle El as the 3 WR... I wouldn't call it pressing..


I do like the kid from ND.. The guy looks like a Steve Smith (CAR) clone.

I don't think Wallace, Hines, or Randle El are capable #1 WRs. As someone pointed out the other day, "I think we'll start seeing the age of Hines Ward with Holmes not drawing double teams anymore."

CargoJon
04-11-2010, 11:50 PM
What free agent did the Jets lost to allow them to trade for Santo? With the final four rule, they can' t trade for a player that they couldn't have signed in free agency....???

Shea
04-11-2010, 11:50 PM
Wow. Makes me think they know something we don't.

Yep, has to be.

Psyychoward86
04-11-2010, 11:51 PM
Ok what the hell. Even with the suspension he is worth a hell of a lot more than that. All of a sudden we could get thin at wide receiver FAST. Hines and ARE are in their 30's, Wallace has started 1 game his entire career, and we have nothing behind that. Omg...

The Definiti0n
04-11-2010, 11:52 PM
For everyone saying "draft Dez Bryant" now. You are totally missing the message the FO is sending. The Steelers could have let it play out and gotten a 4th maybe even a 3rd. But they are saying that they have had enough, and will not tolerate his bullsh*t or anyone else's. Plus were they really gonna re-sign him after this year? What kinda message would that send? Smoke weed, beat your baby momma, get nekkid on the net , throw a glass at a sophmore, cover it up, Heres a multi million dollar extension.

beer72
04-11-2010, 11:52 PM
WTF!! This really suks:mad:

Stang909
04-11-2010, 11:52 PM
I could see Santonio for Darelle Revis but santonio for a 5th round pick? come on

fansince'76
04-11-2010, 11:53 PM
Guess we really will be running more....

Polamalu43
04-11-2010, 11:53 PM
wow im so furious right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf for a 5th round???? holly s***t........

the steelers better try and atleast trade for brandon marshall now, cause ward at this point in his career aint a #1 wr nomore,... cant believe this BS

:banging::banging::banging::banging::banging::mad: :mad::mad::mad:

CargoJon
04-11-2010, 11:53 PM
To add insult to injury, the Jets pick so low in the 5th round it might as well be a sixth rounder.

Steel_Bus_24
04-11-2010, 11:54 PM
a 5th rounder is especially worthless the way we've been judging late round talent lately

Rdp616
04-11-2010, 11:54 PM
The Steelers front office, and Mr. Mike Tomlin better pull of a damn miracle now. I hope they have a plan too move up in the draft, or something cause this is just completely unbelieveable rite now.... Time for Sweed to step up!!!!

SteelerFanInATL
04-11-2010, 11:55 PM
I wish one of you guys were here in my home.

I need someone to slap the WTF off my face and bring me back to earth.

LOL..... :sofunny::sofunny:...... LMBO........Classic post

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2010, 11:56 PM
thank god we still have sweeeeed !!! :thumbsup:

Psyychoward86
04-11-2010, 11:56 PM
At least the jets fans are enjoying it.....they can hardly believe it too.....

http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=55707

JCPsteelers
04-11-2010, 11:56 PM
I don't think Wallace, Hines, or Randle El are capable #1 WRs. As someone pointed out the other day, "I think we'll start seeing the age of Hines Ward with Holmes not drawing double teams anymore."


Holmes wasn't facing double teams when he was dropping two passes a game (including about 3 TD's) during the beginning of the season..



I love Santonio too and I think this is a bad trade, but lets not make him out to be Jerry Rice or something.. He was a good receiver not a great one though..


The Steelers will be fine at WR..

1207
04-11-2010, 11:57 PM
Wow! I'm speechless. WTF! A 5TH ROUNDER, TO THE JETS...

WHY NOT JUST TRADE HIM TO CLEVELAND FOR A 6TH!

NO EXAGGERATION, NO HYPERBOLE.

THIS IS THE SINGLE WORSE PERSONEL MOVE THE STEELERS HAVE MADE IN MY 30+ YEARS AS A FAN!

SteelerFanInATL
04-11-2010, 11:58 PM
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeed gets another chance!!!!!!!!!

Shoes
04-11-2010, 11:58 PM
I have full confidence in the front office.

MasterOfPuppets
04-11-2010, 11:58 PM
Guess we really will be running more....
:toofunny: ....next up to be auctioned off we have a 2 time superbowl winning qb...we'll start the bidding at a 3rd....

kmsteelerwr15
04-11-2010, 11:59 PM
Not surprised that he was traded but a 5th rounder? Seriously? Thought we could have gotten a lot more out of him

+NuBbS+
04-11-2010, 11:59 PM
i hate how its a 5th round pick. i hate even more how its the jets. the thing with it is, he's being made an example of. you make our team look bad, your doing wrong things, your ass gotta go. and they're showing big ben that they will move on without you in a heartbeat.

CargoJon
04-12-2010, 12:00 AM
First they implode Texas Stadium, now they implode the Steelers. Helluva weekend.

tylerdurden
04-12-2010, 12:00 AM
Any chance we end up with Brandon Marshall after this?? What would we have to give up to get him??

ETL
04-12-2010, 12:01 AM
Here are the factors that went into this trade:

1. Holmes was a goner after this year. His demands were gonna be too high. I definitely would have been upset if the Steelers paid him what he was asking and he definitely did not seem like he was going to provide a home team discount.

2. Holmes is going to get AT LEAST a 4 game suspension. Which means at best - he's going to play 12 games this year.

3. He's not a consistent #1 WR. I know he's been the Steelers #1 for a while but when he compared to the rest of the league - he is not held that highly

Given all that - if you were a GM in the league, what would you give for a headcase but talented WR with a drug and possible assault history that will only play, at most, 12 games this year and will be a free agent after that? What would you give to basically rent that player for 3/4th of a season?

I say a 5th rounder is about right.

Still colbert did not have to pull the switch on the trade but something tells me that the Rooneys were pushing for it.

CargoJon
04-12-2010, 12:01 AM
Any chance we end up with Brandon Marshall after this?? What would we have to give up to get him??

What makes us think for a minute that the powers that be want anything to do with Marshall if they just shipped a superbowl MVP outta here for basically a high sixth round pick.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 12:01 AM
Any chance we end up with Brandon Marshall after this?? What would we have to give up to get him??

A 1st or 2nd.. Marshall is much better than Holmes..


I don't think the Steelers will go for someone like that since he wants to paid also..

xbroughneck
04-12-2010, 12:01 AM
Guess we really will be running more....

Agreed.

And I don't think Mike Wallace is as bad as some are stating. He's going to be the #2, and if he can work on his route running he'll be fine.

Ward, Are and Wallace will HAVE to be enough this season. PERIOD.

Add Heath Miller into the mix, plus a dedicated running attack and the Steelers should be just fine without Santonio.

Time to move on.

1207
04-12-2010, 12:02 AM
I know the kid has some issues, but you do not just trade your best WR, your best offensive playmaker, to a division rival, that you will be fighting for a playoff spot for a crappy 5th round pick. You just don't do that.

Shoes
04-12-2010, 12:02 AM
Guess we really will be running more....

.....but we have to pass the ball more :chuckle:

The Definiti0n
04-12-2010, 12:03 AM
Any chance we end up with Brandon Marshall after this?? What would we have to give up to get him??

Trade on dumb ass for a bigger one?

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 12:03 AM
Still colbert did not have to pull the switch on the trade but something tells me that the Rooneys were pushing for it.

This is what I believed happened... I think Colbert would have been fine with Holmes playing out his contract this year and letting him go..


And you are right, Holmes is not a real number one receiver.. He's a good player though..

CargoJon
04-12-2010, 12:03 AM
I know the kid has some issues, but you do not just trade your best WR, your best offensive playmaker, to a division rival, that you will be fighting for a playoff spot for a crappy 5th round pick. You just don't do that.

Ummmm...you mean a conference rival, right? :coffee:

MACH1
04-12-2010, 12:03 AM
Might as well of given him away, oh wait they just did. :doh:

At least we still have SWEEEEED.

Steel_Bus_24
04-12-2010, 12:04 AM
This is just such BS.....

If we don't have a hell of draft this year then our team will be limping into the next decade.....about 2 months ago I just felt that this draft/off season was going to be critical to the success or failure of our team

fansince'76
04-12-2010, 12:05 AM
Any chance we end up with Brandon Marshall after this?? What would we have to give up to get him??

Trade one dumb ass for a bigger one?

This.

ETL
04-12-2010, 12:05 AM
I could see Santonio for Darelle Revis but santonio for a 5th round pick? come on

R U 4 real?

The Jets would never make that deal.

12+88=6
04-12-2010, 12:07 AM
fail drug tests, get in trouble with the law and That's how you be gone.

xbroughneck
04-12-2010, 12:07 AM
I know the kid has some issues, but you do not just trade your best WR, your best offensive playmaker, to a division rival, that you will be fighting for a playoff spot for a crappy 5th round pick. You just don't do that.

Uhm...the best offensive playmaker is Big Ben, who is still on the team.

Santonio was reliable, yes. But he was also the product of having a future HoF QB (who has personal issues) on his team.

Can't say I wish Santonio well, but I thank him for the good things he did for this franchise on the field.

I still say go Olineman or corner with the first pick.

I now think we need to pick a WR with the third pick.

Shoes
04-12-2010, 12:08 AM
fail drug tests, get in trouble with the law and That's how you be gone.

:toofunny::toofunny::toofunny:

ETL
04-12-2010, 12:08 AM
Holmes has talent and if he gets his head on straight he might win a SB with another team like Plexico and end up where he did .... uh, scratch that...

CargoJon
04-12-2010, 12:08 AM
i thought santo was smoking the pot, but turns out it was the front office

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

tylerdurden
04-12-2010, 12:09 AM
And I don't think Mike Wallace is as bad as some are stating. He's going to be the #2, and if he can work on his route running he'll be fine.


Before today I would have had Holmes as our #1 , Ward #2 and Wallace #3. I love Ward but is he still a #1 WR I don't know that he is........

Rush58
04-12-2010, 12:10 AM
the steelers have just put more pressure on ben than ever. i see the steelers really struggling, 9-7 at this point.

xbroughneck
04-12-2010, 12:10 AM
This is just such BS.....

If we don't have a hell of draft this year then our team will be limping into the next decade.....about 2 months ago I just felt that this draft/off season was going to be critical to the success or failure of our team

But that was the case even before we traded for a 5th round pick. Santonio would have been replaced next year instead of this year anyway, and we wouldn't have gotten squat for him.

Let's not get all bent out of shape before we hear more.

And for the record, EVERY draft is vital to a teams future success. Not just this years.

SteelerFanInStl
04-12-2010, 12:10 AM
Unbelievable! That trade just pizzes me off. :mad: They just gave him away. What a pathetic trade. :banging:

Psyychoward86
04-12-2010, 12:10 AM
http://userlogos.org/files/logos/sjdvda/fml.png

ETL
04-12-2010, 12:11 AM
Sad to see Tone go ... after what he did to save our asses in 43 but ...

He was gone after this season anyways.

We've got Wallace and Hines; ARE is still good in my view; Battle will provide depth, and lets finally find out what we have in Sweed

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 12:11 AM
I could see Santonio for Darelle Revis but santonio for a 5th round pick? come on

There is no way in Hell that Mike Tannenbaum is dumb enough to make that trade.

Rdp616
04-12-2010, 12:11 AM
Limas Sweed just ran outside and started running routes. And catching*

xbroughneck
04-12-2010, 12:13 AM
Limas Sweed just ran outside and started running routes. And catching*
LOL

Psyychoward86
04-12-2010, 12:13 AM
At least Sweed gets 5 times as many oppurtunities to drop passes now

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 12:14 AM
I was shocked out of my mind when I saw that Tannenbaum picked up Holmes for a 5th. My guess is a 4 game ban, minimum, is coming up for Holmes.

Either that or this trade happened with Limas Sweed holding a gun to Rooney's head.

polamalubeast
04-12-2010, 12:14 AM
They have only to exchange big ben and harrisoncons vs 6th roundchoice

I am really under the shock, Santonio was one of my players prefer and it's very disappointing to see him go like that in new york and more against a 5th round choice

I'm really knock out, I need help right now ... please help me to cheer, I rarely felt so bad that after a trade

Rdp616
04-12-2010, 12:16 AM
All of this aside, tone brought this on himself. you don't disgrace the franchise like that. The Steelers had to throw down the gauntlet and make a statement. Seems to me we have a 3 strike rule. Better watch out Ben, or you'll be next.

CargoJon
04-12-2010, 12:16 AM
So basically for our #1 wide receiver, we'll end up with a guy who will be lucky to make the team as a special teamer. Awesome.

Shea
04-12-2010, 12:17 AM
Ok, nobody yell at me because I will YELL BACK .... :evil:

But could this trade have something to do with trying to save face with what has been going on during this offseason??

It still wouldn't make sense, but did Ben's troubles play a part in this?

It's a scenario that I can only come up with right now to justify this.

Bear in mind that I know that Tone is an idiot, and tweeting hasn't helped him much in dispelling that notion, but I'm still stuck on the WTF right now with this trade ......

Rdp616
04-12-2010, 12:17 AM
Lame

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 12:18 AM
Ok, nobody yell at me because I will YELL BACK .... :evil:

But could this trade have something to do with trying to save face with what has been going on during this offseason??

It still wouldn't make sense, but did Ben's troubles play a part in this?

It's a scenario that I can only come up with right now to justify this.

Bear in mind that I know that Tone is an idiot, and tweeting hasn't helped him much in dispelling that notion, but I'm still stuck on the WTF right now with this trade ......

Yea, mostly.

Rdp616
04-12-2010, 12:18 AM
So basically for our #1 wide receiver, we'll end up with a guy who will be lucky to make the team as a special teamer. Awesome.

Pretty much

Steel_Bus_24
04-12-2010, 12:18 AM
the bears or somebody else in the NFC had to have been willing to give up more?????



There better be explanations and dammed good ones:mad:

blitzburgh56
04-12-2010, 12:19 AM
Draft Mardy Gilyard..reminds me ALOT of Santonio...just hopefully his doesn't have the same off the field problems as Holmes.

Edman
04-12-2010, 12:20 AM
Robbery.

Sanchez gets a target and the Steelers are stuck with a pick that will not make the team in the near future.

You guys should be happy. The FO did a reaction jerk for once.

Rdp616
04-12-2010, 12:20 AM
This has just been one big ass FAIL

SteelCurtain5643
04-12-2010, 12:20 AM
I think, as said earlier in this thread, theres gotta be more to it than we know...obviously the Steelers front office had enough and is sending a message. So either this means we draft a WR or possibly trade for sumone else im guessing?

klick81
04-12-2010, 12:20 AM
WTF MAN!!!!! Like it's been said, there HAS to be more that we don't know about behind this. I can't believe they took a 5th rounder though...MAN.

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 12:24 AM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs494.snc3/26966_680539651002_8100950_38883607_2272367_n.jpg

xbroughneck
04-12-2010, 12:24 AM
One year earlier than expected.

No biggie.

There are other, more pressing concerns (QB if Ben gets suspended, fixing our secondary in this pass happy league)

Time for Mike Wallace to have a stand out season.

Shoes
04-12-2010, 12:24 AM
I think, as said earlier in this thread, theres gotta be more to it than we know...obviously the Steelers front office had enough and is sending a message. So either this means we draft a WR or possibly trade for sumone else im guessing?

I'm sure there is more to it, and thankfully the front office doesn't get its direction from this forum :chuckle:

Preacher
04-12-2010, 12:25 AM
I am split down the middle on this.

1. Really, our number 1. wide receiver for the next 10 years is now gone? With an aging Ward, an aging ARE, and Wallace entering his sophomore season?

2. Traded Holmes? Whose case looks to be a joke, whose two cases when he was younger were both dropped? Hence, there was only 1 case of his that had credence, and that was being caught smoking pot (actually, not even smoking it, didn't he just have a blunt in the car?). So for 1 misdemeanor and 1 four game suspension he is traded. HOWEVER, Ben, who has put himself into TWO situations where he is being accused of being a sexual predator, is still on the team without question?

__________________

Then the otherside.

1. This does seem like a statement that the team is going to get things under control.

2. If anyone goes, the two "loose canons" on the team seem to be Ben and Tone. One of them is now gone, so that does make sense.

3. I wonder if they have seen enough progression in Wallace even now (and maybe sweed?) to feel comfortable with Tone leaving?


All of that adds up to the point that, once again, we do not have all the information. We do not have all the ins and outs of what happened. SO we once again need to trust the front office and coach that they know what they are doing.

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 12:25 AM
the patriots would have pulled a 2nd rounder out of this but we get virtually a 6th. awesome!
I don't think the Raiders are in the market for another WR. Then Al Davis would have to admit he was wrong about something.

7SteelGal43
04-12-2010, 12:26 AM
I have full confidence in the front office.

GEEZE, thank you, the voice of REASON !!!! :thumbsup:

Steel_Bus_24
04-12-2010, 12:26 AM
the patriots would have pulled a 2nd rounder out of this but we get virtually a 6th. awesome!

seriously it always seems that way doesn't it.....its complete horse crap


better be some good reasons for this.......because right now it looks like one of the worst trades in a decade



Very "Raiderish"

Atranox
04-12-2010, 12:27 AM
The fact that we traded him doesn't surprise me in the least...but the fact that we got so little is shocking. Honestly, when I clicked on the report on ESPN, I had my fingers crossed for a first rounder and was pretty convinced that it was probably a second round.

But seriously...a fifth??

tube517
04-12-2010, 12:28 AM
I agree... I think there is more to the story. But I'm still pissed by such a low draft pick to an AFC contender. Make no mistake, the Jets will be a stronger team.

Randle El kept talking about being the #3 and I was like what in the world are you talking about? You'll barely make #4. Now I see.

I still hope they pick a CB in the first round.

I think, as said earlier in this thread, theres gotta be more to it than we know...obviously the Steelers front office had enough and is sending a message. So either this means we draft a WR or possibly trade for sumone else im guessing?

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 12:29 AM
Well, not everyone involved with the Jets is happy about this. David Cloweny, WR, #87, New York Jets:

Lord what am I doing wrong
I know this is a test,.. But God never puts you thru anything you can't handle. I trust you Lord
http://twitter.com/DavidClowney

tony hipchest
04-12-2010, 12:30 AM
the patriots just called and left a message on the steelers machine.

"really....???

we wouldve easilly given up one of our 12 second round picks for him.

....fools."

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 12:31 AM
Well, not everyone involved with the Jets is happy about this. David Cloweny, WR, #87, New York Jets:



http://twitter.com/DavidClowney

what's that mean? who cares about the jets 4 WR..

SteelCurtain5643
04-12-2010, 12:31 AM
any ideas, who, if anyone, we could trade for?

blitzburgh56
04-12-2010, 12:33 AM
You can't expect much for a player that is most likely going to be suspened for 4 games. I also trust the front office as somone earlier pointed out. Draft a DB in the first then take Golden Tate in the 2nd if he is available...if not take Mardy Gilyard in the 3rd. Members of the front office are there for a reason. We'll be fine.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 12:33 AM
any ideas, who, if anyone, we could trade for?

I don't think we are trading for any WR..


We will go into the season with Hines, Wallace and Randle El at WR and whoever we draft.

SteelCurtain5643
04-12-2010, 12:34 AM
ok let me rephrase, any idea who we culd draft at WR, aside from problem child dez bryant if he falls that low?

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 12:35 AM
what's that mean? who cares about the jets 4 WR..
Hey, show some respect to the NFL [Preseason] MVP.:flap:

But if you want someone more relevant:
Wow we got holmes this is crazy. We makin big moves this off-season. Putting the pieces together to get closer to that superbowl ring.
Revis Christ (http://twitter.com/Revis24/status/12029072487)

MarsRover
04-12-2010, 12:36 AM
I just got a phonecall sayin he got tradin...I'm thinkin oh snap maybe we got somebody like Revis for him.....2 min later i was on ESPN.com. At first my face was like :popcorn: then it was like :eek:

1207
04-12-2010, 12:36 AM
Well, not everyone involved with the Jets is happy about this. David Cloweny, WR, #87, New York Jets:



http://twitter.com/DavidClowney



DAMN TWITTER! I honestly believe that if Holmes was not so stupid as to post that stuff on his twitter account, he may still be a Steeler, or at the very least we would have gotten better that a 5th for him.

The Steelers should start putting into future contracts that players are not allowed to participate in social networking while they are an employee of the organization. Name me one time anything positive has ever come from twitter, facebook, etc...when it comes to a professional athlete.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 12:36 AM
ok let me rephrase, any idea who we culd draft at WR, aside from problem child dez bryant if he falls that low?

Golden Tate ND who was in for an interview this week..

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 12:37 AM
You can't expect much for a player that is most likely going to be suspened for 4 games. I also trust the front office as somone earlier pointed out. Draft a DB in the first then take Golden Tate in the 2nd if he is available...if not take Mardy Gilyard in the 3rd. Members of the front office are there for a reason. We'll be fine.

Tate is going somewhere between 28-34, but Benn should be right there for you.

Shoes
04-12-2010, 12:40 AM
It's Mike Wallace's time in Pittsburgh

The Pittsburgh Steelers' trade for Santonio Holmes means the team has a lot of confidence in second-year receiver Mike Wallace.

And why not?

Wallace took advantage of every opportunity last season as a rookie, recording 39 receptions for 756 yards and six touchdowns. He added deep speed and reliable hands to Pittsburgh's offense as the No. 3 receiver, and Wallace could be an early fantasy sleeper for 2010 now that he's projected in the starting lineup.

Although the Steelers didn't get much in return for Holmes--only a fifth-round pick--they do have depth at the position. Wallace will step into Holmes' slot, while the recently signed Antwaan Randle El likely will be the team's third receiver. Arnaz Battle and former 2008 second-round pick Limas Sweed are among the backups.

Not coincidentally, the Steelers are looking at receivers in this year's NFL draft. Receivers Golden Tate and Arrelious Benn were among the prospects to visit Pittsburgh last week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/11534/its-mike-wallaces-time-in-pittsburgh

Petesburgh66
04-12-2010, 12:42 AM
When did the Steelers become the Pirates and just give away talent for nothing. A 5th round pick for a WR entering his prime? What a stupid deal.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 12:42 AM
Hmmm. Ron Cook tipped off on Holmes being traded..

Here's his article for Monday..

Holmes, on the other hand, might not land in such a soft spot.

At this point, it's hard to imagine that he will be on the receiving end of Roethlisberger's first touchdown pass of the '10 season.

It's a lot easier imagining him being traded or even released.



Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10102/1049716-87.stm#ixzz0krFMQRk3

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10102/1049716-87.stm

Steelerfreak58
04-12-2010, 12:46 AM
If that doesn't send a message to players on the team nothing will. WOW.

steelerdude15
04-12-2010, 12:47 AM
Well... I'm pretty shocked to hear about this news. In a way... we don't have to deal with his off field problems, then again, we lost a big threat in our offense. I like Mike Wallace and I hope he sticks around for a long time. Hopefully Mike can be a great WR and not have issues off the field. Plus with his contract almost over, that's one other thing we don't have to worry about... but a fifth round draft pick. There has to be more to this than just a fifth round draft pick. Alright Mikey... lets see what you got.

xbroughneck
04-12-2010, 12:51 AM
Golden Tate ND who was in for an interview this week..

I know for a fact that Tate has the skills to be the best wide out on our roster in two years, but he's going to be gone by the second round and the Steelers need Oline/Corner back help.

Now, if they feel he's the best player available when they pick, Golden Tate would be a stud receiver to grab in the first round.

JEFF4i
04-12-2010, 12:53 AM
I trust the office. They did this for a darn good reason, and a lot of that reason may be bigger than on the field performance.

steelreserve
04-12-2010, 12:55 AM
Wow ... for a #1 receiver, we got a FIFTH?

They must mean a fifth as in 750ml, because the entire front office must have been hammered.

:alcoholic:alcoholic:alcoholic

steelerdude15
04-12-2010, 12:57 AM
I know for a fact that Tate has the skills to be the best wide out on our roster in two years, but he's going to be gone by the second round and the Steelers need Oline/Corner back help.
Yes, I agree with you so much. Even though Holmes is leaving, we still have WRs that are capable of performing at high levels, Ward, Wallace, and ARE is back. Sweed is another story. :chuckle: Who knows, maybe Sweed might actually start playing good. Anyways, yes, Oline and secondary are the main concerns coming into the draft. :tt02:

steelreserve
04-12-2010, 12:58 AM
In all seriousness, though, we ought to be fine at WR. We've got four pretty good receivers, plus a prospect in Sweed.

I'm just stunned that we played our hand so poorly that we got basically nothing. Did we even THINK of calling the Raiders? They probably would've given us MORE now that they heard he was getting suspended. I'm thinking two first-rounders at least.

I wonder what exactly he did? For us to want to unload him that bad, he must have been hooked on heroin, or organizing a crack ring.

AlleghanyAdams87
04-12-2010, 12:58 AM
Almost like they know Holmes may be in alot more trouble, or their is more to the deal, like Leon Washington (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/12/leon-washington-can-be-part-of-trade-package-only-after-signing-his-tender/)....

JEFF4i
04-12-2010, 12:58 AM
Wow ... for a #1 receiver, we got a FIFTH?

They must mean a fifth as in 750ml, because the entire front office must have been hammered.

:alcoholic:alcoholic:alcoholic

Rooney's drunk on Guinness...

"Okay, okay, okay, listen. SHUT UP MIKE! Okay, listen, okay...we want...want want A FIFTH for Holmes...homes! *cackling laughter from Steelers' side of phone* Okay, okay...deal?"

"Um....DEAL! 5th round pick it is. Talk to you soon."

"Noooooo, a fifth of Irish Whiskey! Darnit...too late."

steelerdude15
04-12-2010, 12:59 AM
I wonder what exactly he did? For us to want to unload him that bad, he must have been hooked on heroin, or organizing a crack ring.
Exactly, the Steelers no longer have to deal with his off field issues.

casteeler
04-12-2010, 01:00 AM
^^ sweed is unreliable

steelerdude15
04-12-2010, 01:01 AM
Getting another RB could work out a little, BUT... we have bigger issues in our oline and secondary.

AlleghanyAdams87
04-12-2010, 01:03 AM
Not sad to see him go, but definitely thought he was worth more. Maybe we are gearing toward trading up in the draft for someone we really like, but it seems to early for that. Who knows right now, tomorrow will probably bring more news, and hopefully the 2pm pc will go as planned lol..

steelreserve
04-12-2010, 01:05 AM
Exactly, the Steelers no longer have to deal with his off field issues.

Yeah .... but for us to get rid of him that low, it seems like he'd have to do something REALLY bad. I mean, we're usually willing to put up with a certain amount of shit in the short term if it helps us improve our position in the long term, or make a Super Bowl run, both of which were possible.

steelerdude15
04-12-2010, 01:07 AM
Yeah .... but for us to get rid of him that low, it seems like he'd have to do something REALLY bad. I mean, we're usually willing to put up with a certain amount of shit in the short term if it helps us improve our position in the long term, or make a Super Bowl run, both of which were possible.
I'm with you, I'm thinking theres something we the fans are not being told. Maybe he got into with the Rooneys or maybe he's on a more serious drug?

Merchant
04-12-2010, 01:08 AM
There better be a GOOD explanation for this.

Think of all the times that need a WR: Carolina, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Miami, Oakland... the list goes on.

I find it extremelyyy hard to believe that there was not a team out there that would not give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Holmes.. this is a head-scratcher to say the least

Shea
04-12-2010, 01:08 AM
Damn, I've never seen so many members logged on this late in the night.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:09 AM
Hey, show some respect to the NFL [Preseason] MVP.:flap:

But if you want someone more relevant:

Revis Christ (http://twitter.com/Revis24/status/12029072487)

sorry didn't know u were a jets fan. :tt02:

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:10 AM
Almost like they know Holmes may be in alot more trouble, or their is more to the deal, like Leon Washington (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/12/leon-washington-can-be-part-of-trade-package-only-after-signing-his-tender/)....

How about an OL from the Jets...:chuckle:



Washington was a good player before the injury..

SteelCityMom
04-12-2010, 01:11 AM
Either Colbert was dropping some heavy acid or Holmes f*ed up something fierce. Hope we hear more about why in the next couple of days.

SteelCityMom
04-12-2010, 01:12 AM
And 164 guests....really? Yes, we're all perplexed right now lol.

steelreserve
04-12-2010, 01:13 AM
I'm with you, I'm thinking theres something we the fans are not being told. Maybe he got into with the Rooneys or maybe he's on a more serious drug?

That's what I'm thinking.

Or, maybe we really were just fed up because this was his second drug-related mishap in less than a season. Maybe he was already on double-secret probation because of his shady past before joining the team.

But in either of those cases, it would've still made more sense for us to spend a few days negotiating a better deal. All we do by dumping him for less than we could've gotten is shoot ourselves in the foot. No, we must've wanted him gone, and fast. I wonder if tomorrow morning, it breaks that he's in some seriously deep shit.

verks36
04-12-2010, 01:14 AM
seriously WTF

The sad part is Holmes is entering the prime of his career?

Why Now?

The Absolute PRIME

verks36
04-12-2010, 01:15 AM
I am not mad about the trade... I am more mad about what we got in return a 5th rounder thats what I would expect if we traded Limas NOT one of the best WRs in the whole league

OneForTheToe
04-12-2010, 01:18 AM
seriously WTF

The sad part is Holmes is entering the prime of his career?

Why Now?

The Absolute PRIME

He was gone after this year. We would not have had him in his prime.

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 01:18 AM
sorry didn't know u were a jets fan. :tt02:

I thought the Mike Tannenbaum motivational poster would have given it away if you saw it.

Gnutella
04-12-2010, 01:18 AM
The following are my rebuttals to every argument made against this trade, by Steeler and non-Steeler fans alike...

Complaint #1: Ben Roethlisberger gets a free pass, but Santonio Holmes gets traded? That's racist!

Rebuttal: WRs are much more easily replaceable than QBs. As a result, WRs need less rope to hang themselves with than QBs. There's nothing racist about it. Furthermore, this trade could be a warning shot across Roethlisberger's bow from the front office.

Complaint #2: Santonio Holmes was Pittsburgh's primary WR and a Super Bowl MVP, yet the Steelers traded him away for a fifth-rounder? That's stupid!

Rebuttal: First of all, Holmes was never consistent enough to be the clear-cut #1 WR in Pittsburgh, even after four seasons. Second of all, Larry Brown, Desmond Howard and Dexter Jackson were all Super Bowl MVPs too, yet none of them will ever be mistaken for great players. That doesn't mean that Holmes is a flash in the pan, just that judging him by such an award is useless. Third of all, I'd argue that this was a shrewd move for the Steelers, getting a draft pick in exchange for a player they weren't going to offer a contract extension for in the first place.

Complaint #3: Pittsburgh's WR corps is now dangerously thin!

Rebuttal: Hines Ward is getting up there in age, for sure, but Antwaan Randle El is back, and he still has a few good years left in him. And speaking of replaceability once again, Mike Wallace is a young up-and-comer who's fast enough to puncture a hole in opposing secondaries. Lastly, Ben Roethlisberger is a good enough QB that an elite WR is a mere luxury.

OneForTheToe
04-12-2010, 01:19 AM
the steelers have just put more pressure on ben than ever. i see the steelers really struggling, 9-7 at this point.

And what was our record last season with Santonio?:coffee:

Steel_Bus_24
04-12-2010, 01:19 AM
I am not mad about the trade... I am more mad about what we got in return a 5th rounder thats what I would expect if we traded Limas NOT one of the best WRs in the whole league

and it always seems like we get nothing for our players


we either release them or get garbage picks


Your telling me no one in the NFC would have offered more let alone the afc as well???

steelreserve
04-12-2010, 01:20 AM
I am not mad about the trade... I am more mad about what we got in return a 5th rounder thats what I would expect if we traded Limas NOT one of the best WRs in the whole league

Like a couple of us have said ... it must mean he forked up on a truly mind-blowing scale. I'm talking on the level of child molesting, or something that would make him an absolute poison to have around a minute longer. Because otherwise, we're just hurting ourselves by unloading him that cheaply. We definitely could've gotten more.


(no, I don't really believe he was molesting children, it was just illustrating my point that he had to do something seriously bad, or we had to be seriously dumb)

verks36
04-12-2010, 01:21 AM
Question: How can brandon marshall an equally good WR with the same if not more off fiend baggage be worth a first round pick when Holmes is worth a measly 5th round pick

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:21 AM
I thought the Mike Tannenbaum motivational poster would have given it away if you saw it.

yeah I think I saw it but I guess I didn't put two and two together..


Good addition by the Jets.. He's not a great WR and can be inconsistent at times (drops) but he's a good player.

steelreserve
04-12-2010, 01:22 AM
Question: How can brandon marshall an equally good WR with the same if not more off fiend baggage be worth a first round pick when Holmes is worth a measly 5th round pick

That's why everyone is so mystified. If we'd taken a second to think things through, Holmes would've gotten us a second, or at worst a third. We must've REALLY wanted him gone to pull the trigger like that.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:22 AM
Question: How can brandon marshall an equally good WR with the same if not more off fiend baggage be worth a first round pick when Holmes is worth a measly 5th round pick

Brandon Marshall caught 22 balls in one game.. He is a much better and more explosive player than Holmes.

fansince'76
04-12-2010, 01:24 AM
Brandon Marshall caught 22 balls in one game.. He is a much better and more explosive player than Holmes.

He's also 10x the headcase.

verks36
04-12-2010, 01:26 AM
Brandon Marshall caught 22 balls in one game.. He is a much better and more explosive player than Holmes.

even with that historic game the number dont lie

Santonio Holmes PIT WR 79 1,248 15.8
Brandon Marshall DEN WR 101 1,120 11.1

people forget how good Santonio was this year and last year and he was only getting better

OneForTheToe
04-12-2010, 01:26 AM
This is just such BS.....

If we don't have a hell of draft this year then our team will be limping into the next decade.....about 2 months ago I just felt that this draft/off season was going to be critical to the success or failure of our team

Overreact much? He was gone next after next season. Therefore this trade hardly effects the Steelers' next ten seasons.

Look, I am as shocked as the rest we didn't at least get a 3rd round pick. I'm thinking without the suspension he might have been worth a second round pick. Add the suspension, and it drops to a 3rd. Still, as I have said, he was gone after next season. Thus, it is very unlikely that getting a 5th instead of a 1st or 2nd is going to doom the Steelers for the next ten years.

Bluedust
04-12-2010, 01:26 AM
All of this aside, tone brought this on himself. you don't disgrace the franchise like that. The Steelers had to throw down the gauntlet and make a statement. Seems to me we have a 3 strike rule. Better watch out Ben, or you'll be next.

Welp he got what he wanted, playing in a huge market now. So our loss, not his.

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 01:27 AM
yeah I think I saw it but I guess I didn't put two and two together..


Good addition by the Jets.. He's not a great WR and can be inconsistent at times (drops) but he's a good player.

He's going to be moving into the slot so that should mask the inconsistencies. How long has it been since the Steelers used him as a punt returner? I know the Jets' FO is looking for someone to fill in there.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:28 AM
He's also 10x the headcase.

true but he's a difference maker on the field.. Pro Bowl player


Holmes is a step below him..


Burress was a better player than Holmes and we survived the next year when he left for free agency(won a Super Bowl)..



I think we'll be okay.. Would I rather have kept Holmes this year and then let him leave after 2010? yes.. But as time has moved on, I've begun to accept the trade for what it is..

The Duke
04-12-2010, 01:28 AM
I have a feeling there's more to the trade that hasn't been reported yet...

Or maybe I'm just hoping for that, lol

but seriously, if they gave us one of their player plus the 5th round pick it woudln't be that bad of a deal....

fansince'76
04-12-2010, 01:29 AM
true but he's a difference maker on the field.. Pro Bowl player....

Exactly, which is why the Broncos have put up with his crap the way they have.

Gnutella
04-12-2010, 01:30 AM
Maybe the Rooneys just wanted him gone and didn't give a shit what they got in return. But hey, it's better than what they would have gotten in return for him next season (nothing).

verks36
04-12-2010, 01:31 AM
Also I had a feeling since this was Holmes contract year he was going to step it up on the field and let his play do the talking... Guess it doesnt matter now

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:32 AM
even with that historic game the number dont lie

Santonio Holmes PIT WR 79 1,248 15.8
Brandon Marshall DEN WR 101 1,120 11.1

people forget how good Santonio was this year and last year and he was only getting better

Brandon Marshall I believed missed two games and also had Kyle Orton throwing balls to him and played in a limited offense..\


You guys are nuts and drinking the Steelers kool-aid too much if you think Holmes is some kind of Pro Bowl receiver.. He's not that kind of WR..

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 01:34 AM
I have a feeling there's more to the trade that hasn't been reported yet...

Or maybe I'm just hoping for that, lol

but seriously, if they gave us one of their player plus the 5th round pick it woudln't be that bad of a deal....

PFT tried floating a rumor out there that the trade was supposed to include Leon Washington, but there is no part of that idea that makes any sense. Leon cannot even pass a physical right now.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:34 AM
He's going to be moving into the slot so that should mask the inconsistencies. How long has it been since the Steelers used him as a punt returner? I know the Jets' FO is looking for someone to fill in there.

He returned a kick in the AFC divisional game against San Diego two years ago..

SteelCurtain5643
04-12-2010, 01:37 AM
PFT tried floating a rumor out there that the trade was supposed to include Leon Washington, but there is no part of that idea that makes any sense. Leon cannot even pass a physical right now.

i guess that is a possibility that washington is involved..we'll just have to wait and see

Steel_Bus_24
04-12-2010, 01:38 AM
Overreact much? He was gone next after next season. Therefore this trade hardly effects the Steelers' next ten seasons.

Look, I am as shocked as the rest we didn't at least get a 3rd round pick. I'm thinking without the suspension he might have been worth a second round pick. Add the suspension, and it drops to a 3rd. Still, as I have said, he was gone after next season. Thus, it is very unlikely that getting a 5th instead of a 1st or 2nd is going to doom the Steelers for the next ten years.


I was thinking that before even all these off season problems started happening


*Our D isn't getting any younger

*Our Corners are awful, mediocre at best.....Troy covers for them but gets injured

*Our O-line still can't run block when they need to

*Need more depth at RB and now Wr

*And because we can't run the ball, Ben is forced to run around on 3rd and longs far too much taking tons of punishment thats only shortening his career.


and you throw in this off the field and and it makes for one slippery slope for our FO to walk..........at least if yous still hold out the belief that we're competing for a title every year

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 01:39 AM
i guess that is a possibility that washington is involved..we'll just have to wait and see

There is no way that Washington could be involved in a trade right now. His broken leg is still healing and he wouldn't be able to pass the physical necessary for the trade to be approved. If anything, it's probably a conditional pick in 2011 based on his production adn/or contingent on the Jets resigning him.

Steel_Bus_24
04-12-2010, 01:40 AM
Maybe the Rooneys just wanted him gone and didn't give a shit what they got in return. But hey, it's better than what they would have gotten in return for him next season (nothing).


no actually the comp pick would be just as could or very near it

SteelCurtain5643
04-12-2010, 01:40 AM
rotoworld said he'd have to sign his tender to be involved, nothing abotu him passing the physical

pancake
04-12-2010, 01:41 AM
First off there has to be a record being set here for the most "WTF" quotes to start a thread.

Second, like everyone else I think 5th round is a crappy deal, but the ones who were thinking a 1st or 2nd are kidding yourselves. I would say 3rd round would be the best we can get out of a trouble maker who is going to be missing at least 4 games this year. Goodell could add games for the other crap he has done.

3rd, we now have four 5th round picks and I say 2 of them will be shipped out to move up into the 3rd round to grab a WR.

Last I will say, I think our team was weakened today... :doh:

wdsteel
04-12-2010, 01:41 AM
Profootballtalk.com passes along "flying" rumors that unsigned restricted free agent Leon Washington is part of the trade that sent Santonio Holmes to the Jets on Sunday night.

Profootballtalk's Mike Florio has been unable to debunk the rumors yet, but points out that Washington would have to sign his one-year tender to be involved in any trade. If Washington is included, the deal would be much more sensible from the Steelers' standpoint. Washington, if able to recover from his compound leg fracture, would be a big upgrade on third downs and returns from incumbent Steelers No. 2 back Mewelde Moore.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:42 AM
Holmes stats:
Receiving
Year Team
2009 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 79 1,248 15.8
2008 Pittsburgh Steelers 15 55 821 14.9
2007 Pittsburgh Steelers 13 52 942 18.1
2006 Pittsburgh Steelers 16 49 824 16.8

Marshall's stats

2006 Denver Broncos 15 1 20 309 15.5
2007 Denver Broncos 16 16 102 1,325 13.0
2008 Denver Broncos 15 15 104 1,265 12.2
2009 Denver Broncos 15 13 101 1,120 11.1

SteelCurtain5643
04-12-2010, 01:44 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/12/leon-washington-can-be-part-of-trade-package-only-after-signing-his-tender/

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:45 AM
Profootballtalk.com passes along "flying" rumors that unsigned restricted free agent Leon Washington is part of the trade that sent Santonio Holmes to the Jets on Sunday night.

Profootballtalk's Mike Florio has been unable to debunk the rumors yet, but points out that Washington would have to sign his one-year tender to be involved in any trade. If Washington is included, the deal would be much more sensible from the Steelers' standpoint. Washington, if able to recover from his compound leg fracture, would be a big upgrade on third downs and returns from incumbent Steelers No. 2 back Mewelde Moore.

I can see this happening.. Washington missed the jets voluntary camp (was only player not to show up) so he's probably not going to be on the jets next year..

WilleStargellParker
04-12-2010, 01:46 AM
Seriously this is the last straw they needed with Sanchez having a year under his belt and the addition of LT. Not to mention they now have Revis and Antonio Cromartie on defense there a lock for the Superbowl. Wtg go Steelers but so glad you got at 5th round pick this year and way to stand your ground. I'm glad you didn't settle for a 2011 5th round pick.

Gnutella
04-12-2010, 01:47 AM
Antonio Cromartie is a flake.

WH
04-12-2010, 01:48 AM
look like the Steelers had Tron as there negotiator

http://www.pp2g.tv/vYH1-Y3U_.aspx

pancake
04-12-2010, 01:50 AM
Profootballtalk.com passes along "flying" rumors that unsigned restricted free agent Leon Washington is part of the trade that sent Santonio Holmes to the Jets on Sunday night.

Profootballtalk's Mike Florio has been unable to debunk the rumors yet, but points out that Washington would have to sign his one-year tender to be involved in any trade. If Washington is included, the deal would be much more sensible from the Steelers' standpoint. Washington, if able to recover from his compound leg fracture, would be a big upgrade on third downs and returns from incumbent Steelers No. 2 back Mewelde Moore.

This might make me feel better...

I might even take this noose off my neck... j/k :chuckle:

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 01:50 AM
I can see this happening.. Washington missed the jets voluntary camp (was only player not to show up) so he's probably not going to be on the jets next year..

The way these trades work, it's typically the player's name that gets reported first, and the accompanying draft pick later. That's the most convincing point that makes that rumor seem like bullsiht. Except for the fact that it was written by Mike Florio; that's the most convincing point that makes that rumor seem like bullshit. But the pick being reported first, that's the second most convincing point that makes the rumor seem like bullshit.

JCPsteelers
04-12-2010, 01:50 AM
Jets really improve their running game getting rid of Thomas jones and picking up a washed up LT? I don't think so..

Cromatie while a great athlete didnt' seem to cover any Steelers WR's when we went up and down the field on them through the passing game..

Sanchez improving isn't a foregone conclusion.. I think its a little early to call them the AFC champs already.. Getting a bunch of name players doesn't make a Super Bowl Champ.. If you don't believe me go ask the Washington Redskins.

Merchant
04-12-2010, 01:51 AM
LOL @ the Jets being a lock for the Super Bowl ahahahaa... Steelers are still gonna be the better team in '10. Cromartie been trash since that '07 season and L.T. has lost about 5 steps

The Duke
04-12-2010, 01:51 AM
Seriously this is the last straw they needed with Sanchez having a year under his belt and the addition of LT. Not to mention they now have Revis and Antonio Cromartie on defense there a lock for the Superbowl. Wtg go Steelers but so glad you got at 5th round pick this year and way to stand your ground. I'm glad you didn't settle for a 2011 5th round pick.

Jets are the paper champs. Great!

:coffee:

Stu Pidasso
04-12-2010, 01:52 AM
Guys. Do these names ring a bell?


Jerame Tuman
Dennis Dixon
Verron Haynes
Clark Haggans
Lee Flowers
Barry Foster
Hardy Nickerson
Craig Wolfley
Mike Webster
Cliff Stoudt



ALL FIFTH ROUND PICKS.

I have complete confidence and trust in our front office.

MACH1
04-12-2010, 01:53 AM
Jets are the paper champs. Great!

:coffee:

I thought that was the cheats*.

CatoTheElder
04-12-2010, 01:55 AM
Guys. Do these names ring a bell?...Mike Webster


You might want to reconsider how you phrase that one...

pancake
04-12-2010, 01:55 AM
Guys. Do these names ring a bell?


Jerame Tuman
Dennis Dixon
Verron Haynes
Clark Haggans
Lee Flowers
Barry Foster
Hardy Nickerson
Craig Wolfley
Mike Webster
Cliff Stoudt



ALL FIFTH ROUND PICKS.

I have complete confidence and trust in our front office.

I can't believe you put Cliff Stoudt in your selections... :toofunny:

He was the reason we didn't have Marino.

Rdp616
04-12-2010, 01:56 AM
And what was our record last season with Santonio?:coffee:

PWNED

Merchant
04-12-2010, 01:58 AM
Whoa.. if we got Leon Washington in addition to the 5th round pick that makes things a little interesting...

pancake
04-12-2010, 01:59 AM
Jets really improve their running game getting rid of Thomas jones and picking up a washed up LT? I don't think so..

Cromatie while a great athlete didnt' seem to cover any Steelers WR's when we went up and down the field on them through the passing game..

Sanchez improving isn't a foregone conclusion.. I think its a little early to call them the AFC champs already.. Getting a bunch of name players doesn't make a Super Bowl Champ.. If you don't believe me go ask the Washington Redskins.

I agree, but they look better today than they did yesterday.

pancake
04-12-2010, 02:00 AM
Whoa.. if we got Leon Washington in addition to the 5th round pick that makes things a little interesting...

I agree, it would make me feel better about the trade.

WilleStargellParker
04-12-2010, 02:02 AM
I heard the Browns are willing to give us a 4th this year for Ben. Oh man we get this deal done we are going to kill at the draft this year not to mention to compensation picks we have.

WH
04-12-2010, 02:03 AM
And now the color scheme of my old signature makes even more sense.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/lessthancurt/santonia.jpg

Rdp616
04-12-2010, 02:03 AM
I can't believe you put Cliff Stoudt in your selections... :toofunny:

He was the reason we didn't have Marino.

Verron Haynes Aswell? He was average.

wdsteel
04-12-2010, 02:04 AM
And now the color scheme of my old signature makes even more sense.

http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l17/lessthancurt/santonia.jpg



lol

Hypocycloid
04-12-2010, 02:08 AM
A first round draft pick and productive receiver for a 5th round pick.

Doesn't make sense.

Even if Tony had played out the rest of the season and wasn't resigned, he would have at least earned the steelers a 4th rounder or possibly a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2012 (assuming they didn't sign a big free agent)...would he have not?

pancake
04-12-2010, 02:09 AM
Verron Haynes Aswell? He was average.

I didn't see any good WR in that list either.

pancake
04-12-2010, 02:11 AM
A first round draft pick and productive receiver for a 5th round pick.

Doesn't make sense.

Even if Tony had played out the rest of the season and wasn't resigned, he would have at least earned the steelers a 4th rounder or possibly a 3rd round compensatory pick in 2012 (assuming they didn't sign a big free agent)...would he have not?

What did we get when Fanaca left? I would think we would at worst get a 5th and that would be having him this year.

spyboots
04-12-2010, 02:14 AM
Good riddance. Now that he's tested postive again, won't he be "in the program" and tested more often? We know he can't stay off the weed, so he's bound to have positive results again. He could be suspended for a year next time (if there's even any football next year). Glad he is no longer our headache. He had said he was going to be traded on draft day. They must've decided not to wait. Had we waited, he'd have been worth nothing.

polamalubeast
04-12-2010, 02:23 AM
I am still very frustrated by this trade:banging::banging::banging:

In addition, the exchange in a good team ... if he really wanted to punish him, he would send it to the tampa bay not in new york.:mad:

Thank you for Santonio 4 good year you give us, I would just love to have longer, but good luck with the jets, you end up with a very good team that will compete to be the super bowl

I have always respected Santonio despite its problems and does not change you.

But the trade is really a shock:doh::banging::mad:

wdsteel
04-12-2010, 02:27 AM
I am still very frustrated by this trade:banging::banging::banging:

In addition, the exchange in a good team ... if he really wanted to punish him, he would send it to the tampa bay not in new york.:mad:

Thank you for Santonio 4 good year you give us, I would just love to have longer, but good luck with the jets, you end up with a very good team that will compete to be the super bowl

I have always respected Santonio despite its problems and does not change you.

But the trade is really a shock:doh::banging::mad:


so guess Lions would be torture... or we could send him to browns so Clark has a few shots atem..thats if they wanted to punish him more...

bozz723
04-12-2010, 02:37 AM
Good riddance. Now that he's tested postive again, won't he be "in the program" and tested more often? We know he can't stay off the weed, so he's bound to have positive results again. He could be suspended for a year next time (if there's even any football next year). Glad he is no longer our headache. He had said he was going to be traded on draft day. They must've decided not to wait. Had we waited, he'd have been worth nothing.

Had we waited? We got nothing for him anyway. There is literally no difference than the nothing we got.


I really can't believe people crucify him for smoking weed. I'm willing to bet 85-95% of all NFL players smoke weed, or have smoked weed.


The dude was a performer and our clear best playmaker. WE LOST. The Steelers front office should all be fired for this move. Good thing we signed Randle El...LOL.

wootawnee
04-12-2010, 02:40 AM
.I think this was coming hence El coming back and the other rec picked up...........Anyway my favorite memory of Tone was when he smoked the Bungles secondary in OT his rookie season in the last game to knock them out of the playoffs with a td............

Later Tone.........

xvdougl
04-12-2010, 03:00 AM
2 Years from now I think back on this move and be very happy. A 5th is light but he just doesn't get the way the Steelers feel about the image of the team. He only caught 100 more yards than HW last year anyway. He was a good WR with some issues. Thanks for all you did for the us and best of luck with the Jets (unless you're playing us of course)!

MongoSteeler
04-12-2010, 03:07 AM
1st time he got dinged for drug test failure was a 3 game pay check fine. This is his second time and it costs him and his team a 4 game suspension. The next time is a one year suspension.

He has also pissed off the Rooneys with his tweets and continues to get into situations off the field that could land him in trouble with the NFL.


This guy is a proven slow learner and if he gets dinged again he would have been lost to us anyway.

We would not have been able to resign him next year and if he screwed up again during this year we lose him for nothing. Now at least we have an extra pick to package up and do whatever the front office wants in this draft. We have what, 11 picks now, and how many open positions on the team?

The Steelers have dealt with this situation quikly, effectively and have sent the message that they will restore the Steelers Integrity at any cost.

The Team always comes First.

Go Steelers !!!

WH
04-12-2010, 03:10 AM
I don't think this 5th round draft pick is there for the Steelers to use to draft a player in the fifth round. I'd be willing to guess it's trade up bait.

polamalubeast
04-12-2010, 03:11 AM
2 Years from now I think back on this move and be very happy. A 5th is light but he just doesn't get the way the Steelers feel about the image of the team. He only caught 100 more yards than HW last year anyway. He was a good WR with some issues. Thanks for all you did for the us and best of luck with the Jets (unless you're playing us of course)!

The jets will play against us next season.

I'm afraid that Santonio will laugh at our cornerback and the more we will face a defensive rex ryan.:banging:

I'm afraid it's going to be a very time embarrasant, the game against the jets, especially if Polamalu is not playing game:coffee:

steelerjim58
04-12-2010, 03:19 AM
I don't believe that I have ever been so disappointed in the Steelers front office. I personally don't think Holmes should have been traded. And definately not for a 5th round pick. Pathetic.

polamalubeast
04-12-2010, 03:21 AM
I don't believe that I have ever been so disappointed in the Steelers front office. I personally don't think Holmes should have been traded. And definately not for a 5th round pick. Pathetic.

:iagree:

OX1947
04-12-2010, 03:25 AM
I'm so pissed right now, I grew a massive migraine when I came home 15 min ago. 5th rounder. A 5TH bleeping rounder. You are telling me they couldn't get a 3rd rounder somewhere? BLEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!

steelreserve
04-12-2010, 03:42 AM
The dude was a performer and our clear best playmaker. WE LOST. The Steelers front office should all be fired for this move. Good thing we signed Randle El...LOL.

Just to clarify ... with Randle El, you don't need the full "LOL" after his last name. You can just use "OL" and look 75% more clever.

steelreserve
04-12-2010, 03:45 AM
I don't think this 5th round draft pick is there for the Steelers to use to draft a player in the fifth round. I'd be willing to guess it's trade up bait.

Gee, ya think? We don't even have space for guys on the practice squad. If we package about 5 low-round picks for another high one, that solves both these problems at once.

I knew there was something behind us signing all those WRs. But I thought it was more like Sweed was finally out the door.

lambertlunaticfan
04-12-2010, 04:00 AM
YOU STOLED THE WORDS RIGHT FROM ME....WTF INDEED!!!!:banging::mad::noidea::doh:W.T.F.:mad:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/11/steelers-ship-santonio-to-the-jets/

BlockMonsta
04-12-2010, 04:17 AM
FAIL....Here we go SWEED.

Galax Steeler
04-12-2010, 04:35 AM
It is kind of hard for me to believe that all we get is a 5th round pick. I think they have something else up there sleeves before the draft. I knew this was a coming but not this quick.

pete74
04-12-2010, 04:53 AM
i hate how its a 5th round pick. i hate even more how its the jets. the thing with it is, he's being made an example of. you make our team look bad, your doing wrong things, your ass gotta go. and they're showing big ben that they will move on without you in a heartbeat.

Originally Posted by +NuBbS+
i know this sounds bad but im enjoying all the people who say that were gonna get rid of Ben and Tone...lol just FYI they aren't going anywhere....so get over yourself... i wonder what would happen if we put some of the crazy people in the front office?? Maybe draft Tebow who is the angel child until someone turns him out..... then get Dez Bryant just because we can....and start from scratch....lol

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remember this? this is what you said to me a few weeks ago when i told you this was going to happen. i got alot of crap for saying holmes would be traded or cut and now its happened. i just wish we would of let him play out the year, tag him and then trade him. you never trade someone this close to them getting into trouble because it brings the price down. if he had a good year and stayed out of trouble we could of got a 3rd rounder for him. well, hopefully ward dosnt get hurt this year

zulater
04-12-2010, 05:47 AM
I understand why the Steelers felt a need to make some sort of statement, and i also understand that there was no chance they would resign him. But I couldn't be more against this trade. First off the team just became significantly weaker. From about the 4th week of the season on Holmes was one of the best players on the team. Second a 5th round pick is the best you can do? What the hell, I'd have rather have let him play out his contract, figure on a contract drive he could have had a terrific year.

But if you decide you must part ways with him, a 5th round pick is the best you can do???!!!:doh::doh:

To me a 5th round pick equals just about zero. I'd have rather him been cut or traded for a 6th or 7th round pick than to strengthen a legitimate AFC contender like the Jets for a 5th.:doh:

Oh well. :banging:

supa_fly_steeler
04-12-2010, 05:54 AM
I'm not suprised it's a 5th round pick.

If you look at Holmes years left it's like rental, if he had more than 2 years left on his contract it could of been much higher pick.

Plus with a 4 game suspension, He's pretty worthless in a trade.

NEPAsteeler
04-12-2010, 05:58 AM
I'm not suprised it's a 5th round pick.

If you look at Holmes years left it's like rental, if he had more than 2 years left on his contract it could of been much higher pick.

Plus with a 4 game suspension, He's pretty worthless in a trade.

That's exactly what I was thinking. There was pretty much zero chance we were going to resign him next year anyways. Plus the legal problems are starting to add up with him and as you mentioned already is facing the suspension. I love Holmes, but the Steelers don't take crap like that.

Thanks for that awesome catch in the Super Bowl and everything you've done for us, Santonio. Good luck in NY.

Venom
04-12-2010, 06:37 AM
Living here in NYC , I'm really going to hear it from my Jet friends . A 5th rounder is a joke . Can someone say T.O. for 1 year ?:banging::banging:


P.S. Atleast he wasn't traded to the Ravens :noidea:

stillers4me
04-12-2010, 06:47 AM
I just think it's hilarious listening to everyone (other fans) blast Tone and Ben, call them names and say they are overrated, yadayadayada..........until something like this happens and suddenly they got "a steal". You know most of them would love to see us lose Ben and they would love to get him.

Rick5895
04-12-2010, 06:48 AM
All you guys that want the Steelers to draft Bryant or go after Marshall are missing the point here. Is a 5th low for a player with Holmes talent. YES!!!! However, the Steelers are becoming a punch line this off season, a move had to be made. There are obviously insights here we know nothing about. Sweed may very well be in the plans, he may have done something to show the F.O and coaches he is worth another chance. We get something for a player we would have lost, sure a 3rd would have been better but the off field issues get in the way.
This now gives us 11 picks, 11 rookies will not make this team, I can see the Steelers packaging up some picks to move into the 2nd or 3rd round. All is not lost here folks.

Kaeg
04-12-2010, 06:50 AM
It's April 1st today, right? Isn't it April 1st..? ....Guys...? Someone tell me today is the 1st of April, please! ...Hello...? ...Hello...?

HometownGal
04-12-2010, 06:51 AM
I understand why the Steelers felt a need to make some sort of statement, and i also understand that there was no chance they would resign him. But I couldn't be more against this trade. First off the team just became significantly weaker. From about the 4th week of the season on Holmes was one of the best players on the team. Second a 5th round pick is the best you can do? What the hell, I'd have rather have let him play out his contract, figure on a contract drive he could have had a terrific year.

But if you decide you must part ways with him, a 5th round pick is the best you can do???!!!:doh::doh:

To me a 5th round pick equals just about zero. I'd have rather him been cut or traded for a 6th or 7th round pick than to strengthen a legitimate AFC contender like the Jets for a 5th.:doh:

Oh well. :banging:

This is where I'm at. :jawdrop: :shake01:

While I understand the Steelers need to make some sort of statement, I really feel they could have done better than a lousy 5th round pick to a conference rival - a team that I felt last season was up and coming. :banging:

Oh well - what's done is done. Santo was one of my favorite Steelers and I'm sorry to see him go. Good luck my man and thanks for the memories! :drink:

Preacher
04-12-2010, 06:57 AM
However, the Steelers are becoming a punch line this off season,

Yep. But the guy that is more responsible for it, regardless of his innocence, is still on the team.

This trade is NOT about reputation. If it is a reputation issue, Ben has to be gone before Santo...

No, this is about the business itself... the bang for the buck, and nothing else.

Texasteel
04-12-2010, 06:58 AM
I could be wrong, but I have feeling there may be more to this trade than just a 5th round pick, but if not, it's done and over. The draft is in how many day?

huntingteacher
04-12-2010, 06:59 AM
I think I was spot on with my analysis of this situation



Re: Holmes accused of assault

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3/29/2010
Quote:
Originally Posted by huntingteacher
I suspect this is why we have too many W/R's. The Rooney's knew about these charges. His days are numbered. They are looking for a trade. He is going to be the example this year.
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steelers7807
04-12-2010, 07:05 AM
Last year of contract + off field problems + possible 4 game (maybe more) suspension + to make a statement= 5th round pick. I am OK with that. With all of the players we have lost over the years this is not the end of the world. He will be missed but he will be replaced.

It took me 4 years to get over see the number 10 back out on the field.

bozz723
04-12-2010, 07:10 AM
This really may be the worst trade in the history of the NFL. If the Rooneys wanted to save face, they just did the opposite. They made the Steelers more of a laughing stock. This is giving me Pirate type emotions where I almost want them to lose so they can change their ways of running a football team. Steelers are LOL material right now.

zulater
04-12-2010, 07:18 AM
This is where I'm at. :jawdrop: :shake01:

While I understand the Steelers need to make some sort of statement, I really feel they could have done better than a lousy 5th round pick to a conference rival - a team that I felt last season was up and coming. :banging:

Oh well - what's done is done. Santo was one of my favorite Steelers and I'm sorry to see him go. Good luck my man and thanks for the memories! :drink:

I can't go as far as to wish him luck in the future, at least until his career is over. This twit done twittered himself off our team, call me bitter. :mad:

But not at you of course HTG. :wave:


:wink02:

zulater
04-12-2010, 07:25 AM
Last year of contract + off field problems + possible 4 game (maybe more) suspension + to make a statement= 5th round pick. I am OK with that. With all of the players we have lost over the years this is not the end of the world. He will be missed but he will be replaced.

It took me 4 years to get over see the number 10 back out on the field.

Yeah I'm ok with all that. But damn why the Jets? Trade him to the other conference for deflated footballs if you want. Exile him to Cleveland or Oakland. But the Jets are a team that has the looks of a top AFC contender for the foreseeable future. If you want to go to a Super Bowl in the next 5 years chances are the Jets are going to be one of the teams in your path. You've just made them significantly more formidable.

Bad move Steelers! :banging:

LamarrWoodleysFade
04-12-2010, 07:27 AM
Wow, just last year he was coming off making the best catch in Super Bowl/Steelers history, now he's not even on the team. Oh well, life goes on.

This, however, does make the team worse and that's my issue. Trade him to an NFC team, or maybe even a weak AFC team, but not the Jets. Not a team one game removed from the Super Bowl. And for JUST a 5th rounder?! I don't care if that is the only thing you THOUGHT you could get him for, this is your #1 receiver, you get higher picks and maybe even a player or two (assuming Washington isn't part of the deal).

This may come back to bite Colbert and co. in the ass. For all we know, this might be a "wake up call" for Santonio and he straightens up his act and kills the league for years to come, but we'll see.

Good luck to him, I hope he enjoys success in NY. Not at the Steelers expense, though...

solardave
04-12-2010, 07:42 AM
Mike Wallace and Hines the starters with Randle El as the 3 WR... I wouldn't call it pressing..


I do like the kid from ND.. The guy looks like a Steve Smith (CAR) clone.

This sends a message to the team that this crap doesn't cut it. I say don't let the door hit him in the ass. We don't need leaders like him in the locker room. A 5th is not great but it's the FO's way of telling the team what he is worth to us. (Clear Message) to Ben and everyone else. Now more than ever I hope Sweed gets a shot and proves that he can handle it. If not Randle El can be the #3.

Rick5895
04-12-2010, 07:43 AM
Yep. But the guy that is more responsible for it, regardless of his innocence, is still on the team.

This trade is NOT about reputation. If it is a reputation issue, Ben has to be gone before Santo...

No, this is about the business itself... the bang for the buck, and nothing else.

While I agree that there is more than reputation, it is not all bang for the buck. I also think that this may be used to wake BB. They had to do something with him. However, the difference between Ben and Tone is huge, Franchise QB vs wr.
What is done is done, hopefully they can use some of these picks and get an extra second or third.

SteelersLUFC
04-12-2010, 07:43 AM
draft golden tate im not big on the college scene but this kid looks good

Boomerang
04-12-2010, 07:45 AM
:headshake::headshake: BAD decision for the team ,so an example could be made of..Thanks for the memories Santo and maybe cancel twitter.

steeltheone
04-12-2010, 07:51 AM
Last year of contract + off field problems + possible 4 game (maybe more) suspension + to make a statement= 5th round pick. I am OK with that. With all of the players we have lost over the years this is not the end of the world. He will be missed but he will be replaced.

It took me 4 years to get over see the number 10 back out on the field.

Exactly...His stock has never been lower. A druggie and woman beater is not the kind of players you win with. Now we need to address the wideout position. We are all of a sudden very old there.

pete74
04-12-2010, 07:53 AM
I'm actually glad he is gone. We put our foot down and made an example out of him. We can not let our players push us around like other teams do. Were above the others and we set the standards. Holmes is a great WR but his off field problems and drug issues are to much and we did what was needed to be done. We will bring in another rookie and won't miss him one bit.

bozz723
04-12-2010, 07:57 AM
Exactly...His stock has never been lower. A druggie and woman beater is not the kind of players you win with. Now we need to address the wideout position. We are all of a sudden very old there.

A guy who smokes weed is a druggie? Lol, way to make yourself feel better about this "trade". Obviously this "druggie" and "woman beater" is a proven winner, and a super bowl MVP So you have already been proven wrong. Did he just pick up smoking weed in the past year?


I knew the Steelers would do something like this to protect their retarded image that means absolutely nothing. Steelers are in rebuild mode now, maybe we can make the playoffs again in three years.

SteelersLUFC
04-12-2010, 08:03 AM
remember no one player is bugger than the team and homles has paid the price to prove this
when one player acts up it reflects poorly on the whole team i think its comendable the way the steelers run their ship

pete74
04-12-2010, 08:10 AM
A guy who smokes weed is a druggie? Lol, way to make yourself feel better about this "trade". Obviously this "druggie" and "woman beater" is a proven winner, and a super bowl MVP So you have already been proven wrong. Did he just pick up smoking weed in the past year?


I knew the Steelers would do something like this to protect their retarded image that means absolutely nothing. Steelers are in rebuild mode now, maybe we can make the playoffs again in three years.

You got to be joking. Were rebuilding? Just because we lost holmes! That's insane. We will be a better team in 2010 then we were in 2009

steeltheone
04-12-2010, 08:14 AM
A guy who smokes weed is a druggie? Lol, way to make yourself feel better about this "trade". Obviously this "druggie" and "woman beater" is a proven winner, and a super bowl MVP So you have already been proven wrong. Did he just pick up smoking weed in the past year?


I knew the Steelers would do something like this to protect their retarded image that means absolutely nothing. Steelers are in rebuild mode now, maybe we can make the playoffs again in three years.

A man who beats on a woman is not a winner....Very talented, but can be replaced. I am so proud the Steelers put their foot down. In the end, this will pay off!

mesaSteeler
04-12-2010, 08:15 AM
While I agree that there is more than reputation, it is not all bang for the buck. I also think that this may be used to wake BB. They had to do something with him. However, the difference between Ben and Tone is huge, Franchise QB vs wr.
What is done is done, hopefully they can use some of these picks and get an extra second or third.

I agree. This is a message from Art Rooney II that this off the field crap will not be tolerated. I'm glad they got rid of this hip hop punk. With this many late picks I would bet that the FO will try and trade up. Will all the recent signings there the odds of any pick after the third round making this team are not good.

Steelers>NFL
04-12-2010, 08:17 AM
My thinking is, they will trade one or both of their 5th rounder to move up in the 3rd to get a better pick.
I can see them doing something to that effect.
Thanks for the memories Holmes. While I did enjoy play in Steelers uni. Especially in the playoff.
I will not miss your "after the play" showboating antics. They were annoying...

mesaSteeler
04-12-2010, 08:17 AM
Shot heard round the world
http://www.observer-reporter.com/www/sidelines/index.html
F. Dale Lolley, the Observer-Reporter's veteran Steelers beat reporter, provides an inside view for Pittsburgh and the rest of the National Football League.

It will be interesting to watch Santonio Holmes' Twitter account in the coming days.

The Steelers traded the former Super Bowl MVP wide receiver late Sunday night to the New York Jets for a fifth-round draft pick.

This comes on the heals of rumors that Holmes is facing a four-game suspension by the league for his second drug-related offense. That rumor still has yet to come bear any fruit.

Of course, Holmes also recently had a run-in with the law in Orlando, Fla., in which he was accused of throwing a glass in a woman's face. Holmes has denied the charge and recent findings in the case may clear him.

But it was his reaction on his Twitter page - why athletes tweet, I'll never know - to fan reaction that really incensed the Steelers.

He told fans that they don't pay his salary - a false assessment. He also told another fan he wished that he'd die and also made a comment about doing a "wake and bake," a reference to smoking marijuana.

In essence, the receiver forced his way out of Pittsburgh - where he was entering the final year of his contract.

The Steelers, of course, signed Antwaan Randle El and Arnaz Battle this offseason. They also have promising rookie speedster Mike Wallace to pair with Hines Ward. Throw in third-year veteran Limas Sweed and you have a solid, if unspectacular, group.

Shipping out Holmes also fires a shot across the bow of quarterback Ben Roethlisberger. Roethlisberger, who awaits word today about whether he'll be charged for sexual assault in Georgia, had better shape up or he could be shipped out as well.

No player is bigger than the organization.

steeltheone
04-12-2010, 08:23 AM
No player is bigger than the organization.

Priceless....

spyboots
04-12-2010, 08:45 AM
"A guy who smokes weed is a druggie?"

Yes. He couldn't stay off the weed - while earning millions and being on the best-storied team - when he knew it could be detrimental to the team. Flunking the pee test is what got him the 4-game suspension. If he can't stay off it for that, he's a druggie.

Dodt
04-12-2010, 08:50 AM
shame to see him go thought.
dang and i just bought his jersey back in december.

fansince'76
04-12-2010, 08:51 AM
This really may be the worst trade in the history of the NFL.

Cowboys....Vikings....Herschel Walker.

Overstate much?