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steeldawg
04-23-2010, 07:58 AM
Any steelers fan that says "I never liked him from the beginning " is full of it!!! I dont recall ben coming into the league showing off and being arrogant. We had an injury asked him to step in and he surpassed every expectation.

steeldawg
04-23-2010, 08:17 AM
Do you people think somebody makes this stuff up?

I think there is a reason they do investigations on these allegations rather than just taking peoples word on it.

Shoes
04-23-2010, 08:21 AM
you just registered this april. why do i get the feeling this is a previously banned member?

:toofunny::toofunny:

Steelers>NFL
04-23-2010, 08:27 AM
And Sid is much younger and more maturer then BB would ever be.

markymarc
04-23-2010, 08:44 AM
I blame Adam Schefter for creating this media frenzy of Ben being traded.

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 08:47 AM
Its all P.R.

That's it. Want to know what the Steelers want in a trade? Ready...

Steelers Front office
"We'll give you Ben for every number 1 pick you have in the draft for as long as he plays in the NFL"

Other teams front office.
"are you nuts!"

Steelers front office
"Well no, but we aren't serious about a trade anyway, we just want the very local hate Ben fans that call the local radio shows to shut the fck up and think we are willing to trade our 2 time winning Franchise QB. But for the record...we would trade him for all your #1 picks for the next 10 years...interested?"

Other Team's front office
"Click"

Espn Insider "Word is the Steelers are Shopping Ben on the open market!!!"

Steelers Front Office "giggle giggle giggle, we look like the good guys now!"

at this point, I'd like to start charging for my soothsayer abilities...

as if we'd really trade the 2 time winning SB QB...

ALL Public Relations...now pass me a beer and draft me a Center!!!

markymarc
04-23-2010, 08:48 AM
While the trading Ben talk is completely insane, the Oakland Raiders would not be very smart about trying to get a great NFL QB in Ben. I guess the supposed trade talk was that the Raiders would get Ben and then the Steelers move to #8 and also lose their #18 pick.

It is absolutely hilarious that Al Davis still thinks JaMarcus Russell can lead the Raiders at the QB spot.

Edman
04-23-2010, 08:50 AM
I don't know what it is about Hockey players, but they sure have a lot more respect for the game and sport they play. When was the last time we've ever heard a Hockey player get in trouble off the ice for stupidity?

The NFL gets that routinely. The league is full of divas, egos, and boors. Ben is unfortunately among them. For a 28-year old, he sure is immature. Which makes me lukewarm to the thought that he's staying for another year. Sure, we've won with him, but at what cost? As a QB, he's very good, but as the face of the Steelers, he's been a dud. Winning is the most important thing in the NFL, but it's not the only thing. It's about an image. It's about maintaining a brand. The Steelers are a brand, and Ben has soiled that brand. Now we're stuck holding the turd bag this clown left us.

All the talk about Ben being a douche over the years are gaining a lot more credence. Ben may be staying, but I and many others are not jumping for joy, and don't expect me to cry when he leaves. I'll miss the on field memories he's brought us, but I won't miss Ben Roethlisberger the person. He's a world-class a-hole and a farce.

God help him if he returns and stinks it up his first game.

markymarc
04-23-2010, 09:00 AM
This statement by Fred Bright sums up everything for me..."We are not condoning Mr. Roethlisberger’s actions that night, but we do not prosecute morals, we prosecute crimes."

Mr. Bright could not move forward with criminal charges and his public statement on April 12th was pretty much his attempt to make sure Roger Goodell lays down the hammer on Ben.

While I blame Ben for making a very bad decision to celebrate his 28th birthday this way, I am totally shocked that Roger Goodell let 1 side of the story and the social lynching mob decide the fate for Ben and ultimately the 6 game suspension.

All that I ask now from Roger is rip up the current NFL personal conduct policy and state the words of "I will decide on a case by case scenario". I can't wait to see how every single off the field activities are handled by Roger now.

My only other thought is that since the Ben decision is a precedence I find it very difficult that the NFLPA is and or won't fight this.

markymarc
04-23-2010, 09:11 AM
This was a very good article by Joe Starkey. The problem is that Roger Goodell does have too much power. The NFLPA should be all over this suspension and fighting it. It's funny that a player can be suspended 6 games for bad judgment and no criminal charges or activity. Roger is opening up Pandora's box and that is not a good thing for the NFL IMO.

This latest decision is just another reason for me to hate Goodell even more. If only we could get Paul Tagliabue back!

markymarc
04-23-2010, 09:26 AM
There is no question that Sid the Kid is light years ahead of Ben in the decision making process and how to handle your personal life when not playing sports.

Indo
04-23-2010, 09:56 AM
Good read

I'm especially impressed by the respect he gets from the rival players

wootawnee
04-23-2010, 10:45 AM
Dude this article sucks........Sid and Ben are like oil and water.......They are nothing alike and never will be.........Quit trying to be a cookie cutter and make everyone the same.......Champions came, and still come, in all shapes and sizes........Some in ways that you have yet to experience, and maybe you never will.........

Mags87
04-23-2010, 10:46 AM
I don't know what it is about Hockey players, but they sure have a lot more respect for the game and sport they play.

i dont think hockey players have any respect for each other and i think that translates to no respect for the game. this is based on the fact that they'll go up and shove someone in the back after the plays over and then start throwing fists in the middle of a game. im not saying every player, but definately the majority of them

Steelers>NFL
04-23-2010, 11:36 AM
Can't help but laugh about this. Poor Benny...
We'll find out if he his made of Steel emotionally.
---

"She said no" chant a preview of what's to come
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on April 23, 2010 10:46 AM ET
It was a moment that won't soon be forgotten by anyone who attended the 2010 NFL Draft.

The incredible acoustics of Radio City Music Hall amplified and made the chant crystal clear as the Steelers were set to make their pick.

"She said no, she said no, she said no," the balconies roared.

In the NFL's infinite wisdom -- absolutely no sarcasm here -- Roger Goodell then took the stage with Zachary from the Make-A-Wish foundation to announce the Steelers pick.

When Zachary hit the stage, the chant stopped cold and the crowd rose. The kid got a standing ovation. The sequence was classic New York.

The moment was saved, but the chant was a sobering reminder of what Ben Roethlisberger and the NFL will face next season. Roethlisberger's story has crossed over to mainstream news channels and angered countless fans. He's a target.

Michael Vick inspired even greater vitriol, but he stayed away from the NFL for two years. And he's not a starting quarterback anymore.

Roethlisberger will be on the field, with the ball in his hands, for five national television appearances this season.

Expect to hear a lot more chants like the one we heard Thursday night.

siss
04-23-2010, 11:40 AM
It will be his redemtion tour 2010. I hope the NFL is ready!

Prok
04-23-2010, 11:47 AM
It will be his redemtion tour 2010. I hope the NFL is ready!

I believe that as well. Ben is going to take out alot of frustrations once he hits the field.

I like how they sechedule us 5 prime time games AFTER the suspension is over. Want Ben to bring ya ratings, Godell ??

It's all good for us tho imo as we will benefit from a QB going wild ON-FIELD this time.

:tt:

X-Terminator
04-23-2010, 11:51 AM
i dont think hockey players have any respect for each other and i think that translates to no respect for the game. this is based on the fact that they'll go up and shove someone in the back after the plays over and then start throwing fists in the middle of a game. im not saying every player, but definately the majority of them

That's hockey. It's the way it's been played since its inception. The players absolutely respect the game, with a few notable exceptions (Alex Ovechkin, anyone?). And for those who think hockey players don't get into trouble off the ice, there's a certain guy in New York named Sean Avery who was suspended last year for making crude remarks about another player's girlfriend, and the Staal brothers were arrested and cited for disorderly conduct after a party at Eric Staal's house last summer. So they are not immune to this kind of stuff.

Super Fan
04-23-2010, 11:58 AM
Big Ben is the man!!!!! I am glad we did not trade him.......

Indo
04-23-2010, 12:00 PM
Someone's "ben" busy this morning!

Now that all of these threads have "ben" merged, can you just delete them?

:thumbsup:

Stu Pidasso
04-23-2010, 12:01 PM
They weren't chanting "she said no!" They were chanting," SHE'S A HO!"

CanadianSteel
04-23-2010, 12:23 PM
That's hockey. It's the way it's been played since its inception. The players absolutely respect the game, with a few notable exceptions (Alex Ovechkin, anyone?). And for those who think hockey players don't get into trouble off the ice, there's a certain guy in New York named Sean Avery who was suspended last year for making crude remarks about another player's girlfriend, and the Staal brothers were arrested and cited for disorderly conduct after a party at Eric Staal's house last summer. So they are not immune to this kind of stuff.

Hockey players also get into trouble its just not covered by media the same.

Danny Heatly drove drunk and killed his friend a few years back...... Mike Danton (Blues I think) went to jail as he hired a hit man to kill his agent..... Ron Ramage (many teams) got convicted of kiliing soemone while drinking and driving
Alcohol is the choice for hockey players problems

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 12:25 PM
How about the PR Move though huh?

"anti steeler chant, anti steeler chant"

"I'd like to introduce my friend from the make a wish foundation to announce the steeler's pick"

"Pin drop"

PR Baby....Effing PR...now shut your holes and respect the 6 Rings!

Prok
04-23-2010, 12:28 PM
:applaudit:

A big THANK YOU to the mods for merging these threads.

:applaudit:

43Hitman
04-23-2010, 12:28 PM
How about the PR Move though huh?

"anti steeler chant, anti steeler chant"

"I'd like to introduce my friend from the make a wish foundation to announce the steeler's pick"

"Pin drop"

PR Baby....Effing PR...now shut your holes and respect the 6 Rings!

Yeah that was something else. I was glad they stopped when the kid walked up to announce the pick.

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 12:34 PM
Yeah that was something else. I was glad they stopped when the kid walked up to announce the pick.

The Second Goodell said "make a wish foundation" you know all the chanters put their heads down in embarressment and slumped their shoulders and thought..."we are assess"

Take it fools, take it. Steelers know how to handle PR.

Another thing...for the record...

The Rooney's weren't pisssed that Ben was banging broads...The Rooneys were pisssed that Ben banging broads brough unwanted attention to the Family.

These guys have made their living from gambling, like legitimate business men, they don't need unwanted attention. That's the bottom line. Otherwise, really, there wouldn't be an effing Casino within a stone's throw of Heinz Field. Morals, bullcrap. Its all about "The Family" and not bringing in attention.

Holmes, 5 busts, too much attention, bye bye. Ben, 2 cases of alleged assault with no charges...listen buddy. that's too much attention.

But they would NEVER trade a Two Time Winning SB QB...not over this kind of thing. Maybe they "talk trade" but really...they were more upset over the "attention" than the Incident...that is my Humble Opinion anyway.

HERE WE GO!

Prok
04-23-2010, 12:38 PM
The Second Goodell said "make a wish foundation" you know all the chanters put their heads down in embarressment and slumped their shoulders and thought..."we are assess"

Take it fools, take it. Steelers know how to handle PR.

Another thing...for the record...

The Rooney's weren't pisssed that Ben was banging broads...The Rooneys were pisssed that Ben banging broads brough unwanted attention to the Family.

These guys have made their living from gambling, like legitimate business men, they don't need unwanted attention. That's the bottom line. Otherwise, really, there wouldn't be an effing Casino within a stone's throw of Heinz Field. Morals, bullcrap. Its all about "The Family" and not bringing in attention.

Holmes, 5 busts, too much attention, bye bye. Ben, 2 cases of alleged assault with no charges...listen buddy. that's too much attention.

But they would NEVER trade a Two Time Winning SB QB...not over this kind of thing. Maybe they "talk trade" but really...they were more upset over the "attention" than the Incident...that is my Humble Opinion anyway.

HERE WE GO!

I like that post.

Rooney's = Don Corleone of NFL.

LOL

NJarhead
04-23-2010, 12:39 PM
I like that post.

Rooney's = Don Corleone of NFL.

LOL


Apparently, no one made an offer we couldn't refuse. :chuckle:

Sorry; couldn't pass that up. :wink02:

Prok
04-23-2010, 12:40 PM
Apparently, no one made an offer we couldn't refuse. :chuckle:

Sorry; couldn't pass that up. :wink02:

:chuckle:

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 12:41 PM
Apparently, no one made an offer we couldn't refuse. :chuckle:

Sorry; couldn't pass that up. :wink02:

They Made Goodell an offer he couldn't refuse...


"Sir, you have a call from Ireland"
"Hello?"
"Listen...you get 6 games, reduced to 4. All the primetime games will be after the supsension and we get a bi-week week 5 to ensure he is ready to go. Throw us the Ravens so we can make it look legit, but we don't fear them so whatever."

"yes Don Rooney."

Done.

NJarhead
04-23-2010, 12:43 PM
They Made Goodell an offer he couldn't refuse...


"Sir, you have a call from Ireland"
"Hello?"
"Listen...you get 6 games, reduced to 4. All the primetime games will be after the supsension and we get a bi-week week 5 to ensure he is ready to go. Throw us the Ravens so we can make it look legit, but we don't fear them so whatever."

"yes Don Rooney."

Done.

Or Goodell wakes up with Tom Brady's head in bed with him. :rofl:

43Hitman
04-23-2010, 12:47 PM
They Made Goodell an offer he couldn't refuse...


"Sir, you have a call from Ireland"
"Hello?"
"Listen...you get 6 games, reduced to 4. All the primetime games will be after the supsension and we get a bi-week week 5 to ensure he is ready to go. Throw us the Ravens so we can make it look legit, but we don't fear them so whatever."

"yes Don Rooney."

Done.

:rofl:

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 12:47 PM
Or Goodell wakes up with Tom Brady's head in bed with him. :rofl:

Pretty Much sums it up, yes.

for the record, I'd rather be the Bad Guys, then the Good Guys.

Historically, we always had Vicious Nasty Mean Players. Sure, Blue Collar, but tell me a blue collar profession that doesn't involve some Bent Noses running things behind the scenes. Trash Guys, Steel Workers, Dock Workers, Lawn Care, Builders, Carpenters, Concrete Industry, yeah...Bent Noses...

You want to be the Niners and all prissy and high and mighty (while cheating behind the scenes with fudged payroll numbers) Fine, be a Banker.

I'll take my Steelers and the Concrete Shoes we hand out to our Opponents. Every Single Time.

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 12:50 PM
I mean really...what other family can be told..."You must sell your team" and turns around and says "No, we don't, we will buy it from ourselves at a cut price and not allow anyone else into the Family" "and then, you will tell everyone how great of a family we are and you will praise us in the media."

Dolphins have like 30 owners now. Steelers....still in the Family.

NJarhead
04-23-2010, 12:51 PM
Pretty Much sums it up, yes.

for the record, I'd rather be the Bad Guys, then the Good Guys.

Historically, we always had Vicious Nasty Mean Players. Sure, Blue Collar, but tell me a blue collar profession that doesn't involve some Bent Noses running thing behind the scenes. Trash Guys, Steel Workers, Dock Workers, Lawn Care, Builders, Carpenters, Concrete Industry, yeah...Bent Noses...

You want to be the Niners and all prissy and high and mighty (while cheating behind the scenes with fudged payroll numbers) Fine, be a Banker.

I'll take my Steelers and the Concrete Shoes we hand out to our Opponents. Every Single Time.

Oh hell yea. But I think we're both the good guys AND the tough guys. Blue Collar baby!

:tt03:

Indo
04-23-2010, 01:03 PM
:tt03::drink:

Steeldude
04-23-2010, 01:09 PM
i was neither for or against trading BR. it depends on what you can get.

Leftoverhard
04-23-2010, 01:17 PM
Or Goodell wakes up with Tom Brady's head in bed with him. :rofl:

:rofl:

SteelMember
04-23-2010, 01:21 PM
:sofunny:

Dino, your on a roll.

and this...



Another thing...for the record...

The Rooney's weren't pisssed that Ben was banging broads...The Rooneys were pisssed that Ben banging broads brough unwanted attention to the Family.

These guys have made their living from gambling, like legitimate business men, they don't need unwanted attention. That's the bottom line. Otherwise, really, there wouldn't be an effing Casino within a stone's throw of Heinz Field. Morals, bullcrap. Its all about "The Family" and not bringing in attention.

Holmes, 5 busts, too much attention, bye bye. Ben, 2 cases of alleged assault with no charges...listen buddy. that's too much attention.

But they would NEVER trade a Two Time Winning SB QB...not over this kind of thing. Maybe they "talk trade" but really...they were more upset over the "attention" than the Incident...that is my Humble Opinion anyway.

HERE WE GO!

somehow makes me think of that scene in Back to School when the body guard/muscle (Lou) tells the story...

I know your pop thirty years. He understands. He's a nice guy, and he's tough. Like me. I'm nice, and I'm tough. I'll give you an idea what I mean. My two boys, I put one through college and the other I put through a wall. Your papa loves you. He's lookin' out for ya. Look out for him.

:noidea: :chuckle:

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 01:30 PM
Thanks Steel. Just calling it how I see it. I spent 5 days in the Burgh last week for a wedding, spent time all around town, went to the Zoo, ate at some italian bar place on Butler, had a blast. But after listening to the Sports Radio up there, since I don't get it in Arkansas, I started to question what the heck was going on. It was simple to realize on the plane ride home as I thought about it.

The Rooneys "hear" the people calling the talk shows talking bad about Ben. They "hear" it. Then they "address" it by faking a potential trade. Then they Draft a Center.

I am curious...what the talk shows are about today? Ben, or the Draft and the Center and the next picks and the schedule and what not. Just curious.

Now Ben will keep his nose clean, because that is what The Don, I mean Dan, wants. He will prepare for the season. Lefty will hold down the fort. Dixon will get some time in as well, Batch will be coaching in uniform, and all will be well.

Our defense is going to rip off heads. Our Special teams will improve, our Kicker will stop being a schmuck and we will dominate once again. That is what it will be.

That's just how it has to be, because the Don demands it.

Oh...and we are going to Run the Effing Ball more.

The Duke
04-23-2010, 01:38 PM
This thread is such a relief

Ben

43Hitman
04-23-2010, 02:36 PM
Thanks Steel. Just calling it how I see it. I spent 5 days in the Burgh last week for a wedding, spent time all around town, went to the Zoo, ate at some italian bar place on Butler, had a blast. But after listening to the Sports Radio up there, since I don't get it in Arkansas, I started to question what the heck was going on. It was simple to realize on the plane ride home as I thought about it.

The Rooneys "hear" the people calling the talk shows talking bad about Ben. They "hear" it. Then they "address" it by faking a potential trade. Then they Draft a Center.

I am curious...what the talk shows are about today? Ben, or the Draft and the Center and the next picks and the schedule and what not. Just curious.

Now Ben will keep his nose clean, because that is what The Don, I mean Dan, wants. He will prepare for the season. Lefty will hold down the fort. Dixon will get some time in as well, Batch will be coaching in uniform, and all will be well.

Our defense is going to rip off heads. Our Special teams will improve, our Kicker will stop being a schmuck and we will dominate once again. That is what it will be.

That's just how it has to be, because the Don demands it.

Oh...and we are going to Run the Effing Ball more.

Epic post is epic. Freaking awesome man! Rep points awarded!

:tt03:

Prok
04-23-2010, 02:40 PM
This thread is such a relief

Ben

Yep. And Ben had better not put us in this kind of situation again. There is no margin for error anymore. Time for him to get it together and be the player we ALL have loved over the years.

:tt:

WH
04-23-2010, 02:44 PM
Dino, funny you mentioned the Zoo.

The Pittsburgh Zoo took down Ben Roethlisberger's cut out from the elephant cages- they used his height to show kids how tall elephants are.

Some parents complained that their 3 year olds might be contaminated or something.

Anyways...they replaced him with Mario Lemieux.

X-Terminator
04-23-2010, 03:40 PM
Hockey players also get into trouble its just not covered by media the same.

Danny Heatly drove drunk and killed his friend a few years back...... Mike Danton (Blues I think) went to jail as he hired a hit man to kill his agent..... Ron Ramage (many teams) got convicted of kiliing soemone while drinking and driving
Alcohol is the choice for hockey players problems

Yep. Danton recently got out of prison, in fact, and is trying to get back into hockey. Heatley is still playing and Ramage is an assistant coach, so those incidents didn't hurt their careers any. Don't forget about Alan Eagleson (I think that's his name) too - probably the biggest scandal ever in the NHL, and Craig MacTavish (ex-Oiler, Ranger and Bruin and ex-Oiler coach) also killed someone while driving drunk.

memphissteelergirl
04-23-2010, 03:41 PM
Dino, funny you mentioned the Zoo.

The Pittsburgh Zoo took down Ben Roethlisberger's cut out from the elephant cages- they used his height to show kids how tall elephants are.

Some parents complained that their 3 year olds might be contaminated or something.

Anyways...they replaced him with Mario Lemieux.

Yeah, I guess Ben better get used to the "pariah" treatment for a while.

So Ben, here's the schedule:

Practice, study film....and back to the house. You are NOT to deviate from this schedule at any time...y'hear?? Don't make me come up there! :club:

Dino 6 Rings
04-23-2010, 05:22 PM
Dino, funny you mentioned the Zoo.

The Pittsburgh Zoo took down Ben Roethlisberger's cut out from the elephant cages- they used his height to show kids how tall elephants are.

Some parents complained that their 3 year olds might be contaminated or something.

Anyways...they replaced him with Mario Lemieux.

Not a bad replacement but kind of surprised they didn't go with Crosby or someone on the current team on the ice.

Or if you go "old school" Why not put Mean Joe Greene next to the Elephant...sure little kids might not know who he is, but that would then give the dad a great opportunity to Educate his child on the History of the Steelers and the greatness that was Mean Joe.

zulater
04-23-2010, 06:50 PM
Not a bad replacement but kind of surprised they didn't go with Crosby or someone on the current team on the ice.

Or if you go "old school" Why not put Mean Joe Greene next to the Elephant...sure little kids might not know who he is, but that would then give the dad a great opportunity to Educate his child on the History of the Steelers and the greatness that was Mean Joe.

Guess no one told the people at the zoo that Mario once had a sexual assault allegation levied against him too. :chuckle:

And speaking of ironies, how 'bout commish Goebels oops I mean Goering er Goodell making multiple convicted woman beater Jim Brown such a prominent part of the draft extravanganza. Oh and might as well throw in frequent train wreck Lawrence Taylor into the mix while we're at it. Yep, gotta maintain that pristine league image. :doh:

zulater
04-23-2010, 07:07 PM
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2804/vlcsnap2009072518h49m03.png

Ben is making rapid progress I hear.

zulater
04-23-2010, 07:10 PM
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2009-01/44772470.jpg

And eventually we get here to the desired finished product.


:flap:

Preacher
04-23-2010, 07:15 PM
They Made Goodell an offer he couldn't refuse...


"Sir, you have a call from Ireland"
"Hello?"
"Listen...you get 6 games, reduced to 4. All the primetime games will be after the supsension and we get a bi-week week 5 to ensure he is ready to go. Throw us the Ravens so we can make it look legit, but we don't fear them so whatever."

"yes Don Rooney."

Done.

Or Goodell wakes up with Tom Brady's head in bed with him. :rofl:

Absolutely hilarious.

zulater
04-23-2010, 07:29 PM
Or Goodell wakes up with Tom Brady's head in bed with him. :rofl:

I think that already happens a couple times a week. as it is :flap:

Oh I guess you meant "severed" head. :doh:

:wink02:

SteelC7
04-23-2010, 11:36 PM
now with the draft the past couple days, its been a pleasant surprise not to see: trade/get rid of ben posts, but wen the draft ends, i know theyll be back. look, the guy made a mistake, yes, but have you??? has kobe? has every athlete at some point? give him a break, i wanna keep the only SB winning Qb weve had since 1980
thanks guys

JSH6487
04-23-2010, 11:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

Silverback92
04-23-2010, 11:40 PM
Oh, damn you JSH.

You beat me too it.

JSH6487
04-23-2010, 11:42 PM
LOL was the first thing I thought of when I saw the title of this thread.

tony hipchest
04-23-2010, 11:47 PM
now with the draft the past couple days, its been a pleasant surprise not to see: trade/get rid of ben posts, but wen the draft ends, i know theyll be back. look, the guy made a mistake, yes, but have you??? has kobe? has every athlete at some point? give him a break, i wanna keep the only SB winning Qb weve had since 1980
thanks guysthe reason you havent seen them and the reason why they wont be back is because they have all been merged to prevent rubbish like this thread cluttering the board.

if you have a topic that is discussion worthy- start a thread.

if you want to simply make a statement- find an appropriate (already existing) thread. :banging:

Fire Haley
04-23-2010, 11:50 PM
I like chocolate cake

zulater
04-23-2010, 11:50 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6yOwlrCUyk

pghfrank1948
04-24-2010, 07:54 AM
If this whole mess isnt a wake call for Big____________Ben, yes Fat, Drunk and Stupid Ben, then it is time for him to go. He pushed it to the edge and blew it. Maybe he will consider this a final chance and prove everyone wrong. He sure has dissappointed a lot of the fan base. But I bleed Black and Gold and I hope he does too. We will see by his commitment to getting his act together.

fansince'76
04-24-2010, 08:24 AM
And speaking of ironies, how 'bout commish Goebels oops I mean Goering er Goodell making multiple convicted woman beater Jim Brown such a prominent part of the draft extravanganza. Oh and might as well throw in frequent train wreck Lawrence Taylor into the mix while we're at it. Yep, gotta maintain that pristine league image. :doh:

Don't forget NFL Network making a whoring crackhead (Irvin) a prominent member of its draft coverage team. But hey, I guess HoF membership absolves one of that sort of thing. About all that's missing now is O.J.'s appearance at the podium to announce one of the Bills' picks. :coffee:

stillers4me
04-24-2010, 11:06 AM
NOTES -- Ben Roethlisberger will make a statement Monday regarding the four-to-six game suspension he received Monday from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, agent Ryan Tollner told the Post-Gazette Friday. Tollner said Roethlisberger wanted to wait until after the NFL draft. ... The draft concludes today with rounds 4-7.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10114/1053089-66.stm

Vincent
04-24-2010, 11:19 AM
About all that's missing now is O.J.'s appearance at the podium to announce one of the Bills' picks. :coffee:

That would be cathartic. Its time we put Nicole and Roger behind us. Was that his name? Roger. I'm gonna... With the 796th pick...

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10114/1053089-66.stm

Why do they feed his narcissism? He already made "his statement". The only thing I want to hear from that pig is the whistle of spiraling footballs headed toward open receivers.

JCPsteelers
04-24-2010, 01:45 PM
per ESPN and Tomlin..

Tomlin says he's going to accept his punishment, blah,blah,blah..

Steel_Bus_24
04-24-2010, 01:48 PM
no need for that crap......everybody hates his face right now


release a statement and move on through your actions

The haters were going to hate,,,,screw em.....go out their and win and they'll shut up

JCPsteelers
04-24-2010, 01:50 PM
no need for that crap......everybody hates his face right now




I think that's a little strong.. I think he's a knucklehead but I don't hate him..




Ben is probably going to apologize, accept the punishment and then say that he will work hard to get back into the good graces of the Steelers organization and fans..

stb_steeler
04-24-2010, 02:30 PM
I think that's a little strong.. I think he's a knucklehead but I don't hate him..




Ben is probably going to apologize, accept the punishment and then say that he will work hard to get back into the good graces of the Steelers organization and fans..

Thats exactly what he's gonna say. They all have to do it, its the first step to proving his mistakes. :thumbsup:

steelerdave1969
04-24-2010, 03:34 PM
We'll see how many of you so called haters are still hatin' on Big Ben when we are hoisting our 7th Super Bowl Trophy come next February..

Prok
04-24-2010, 03:45 PM
We'll see how many of you so called haters are still hatin' on Big Ben when we are hoisting our 7th Super Bowl Trophy come next February..

:tt:


I just hope he gets some of HIS SIDE of the story out to try and quiet some of the bitching and moaning crowd.

Steel_Bus_24
04-24-2010, 03:53 PM
:tt:


I just hope he gets some of HIS SIDE of the story out to try and quiet some of the bitching and moaning crowd.


I would love for him to tell em STFU in some form or fashion, but really the only way he could comparatively do that without the media bombarding him would be just stay out of trouble and light some mofos up when he gets back


If the team can stay behind him, it might unite us against the SOB fans/media taunting this stuff at us

JCPsteelers
04-24-2010, 04:20 PM
Actually it looks like its going to be just a statement on Monday according to espn now.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5132735http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5132735

SteelC7
04-24-2010, 04:25 PM
ur all just haters and jealous ben gets girls!!!! hahahaha

Preacher
04-24-2010, 05:22 PM
the reason you havent seen them and the reason why they wont be back is because they have all been merged to prevent rubbish like this thread cluttering the board.

if you have a topic that is discussion worthy- start a thread.

if you want to simply make a statement- find an appropriate (already existing) thread. :banging:


There's already existing threads about Ben? :hunch:

Prok
04-24-2010, 05:32 PM
I like chocolate cake

Dammit i knew we couldn't agree on everything.

i'm a vanilla dude.


:wave:

WH
04-24-2010, 06:13 PM
Why do they feed his narcissism? He already made "his statement". The only thing I want to hear from that pig is the whistle of spiraling footballs headed toward open receivers.
I would crack up if he came out and just said ''Drink are on me!''

43Hitman
04-24-2010, 06:18 PM
Dammit i knew we couldn't agree on everything.

i'm a vanilla dude.


:wave:

I'm a white dude, with a really good tan. :wave:

86WARD
04-24-2010, 06:45 PM
Responding to a question of whether Ben Roethlisberger trade talk is behind the Steelers, director of football operations Kevin Colbert said today that the franchise isn't giving up on the embattled quarterback.
"We can't defend the behavior and actions as an organization and we won't, but we do defend his opportunity to make right, and I think that's the right thing to do," Colbert said.


Roethlisberger has been suspended for the first six games of the 2010 season for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy.


Roethlisberger was suspended by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell even though he won't be charged despite accusations that he sexually assaulted a 20-year-old college student March 5 in Milledeville, Ga.


He will release a statement Monday, the first public comments he has made since Goodell punished him and exhorted him to turn his personal life around.


"This guy has helped us win two championships and he's made some mistakes," Colbert said, "but he also deserves the opportunity to rectify those mistakes and we stand behind his opportunity to do that."

86WARD
04-24-2010, 06:45 PM
LOVE IT!!

JCPsteelers
04-24-2010, 06:48 PM
About time.. :tt03:

steelerohio
04-24-2010, 06:53 PM
I like that they're keeping him. I like that he's getting the chance to rectify thopse mistakes... Now I'm just waiting until all this blows over and we wouldn't have to hear how he "raped" that woman even though it wasn't rape and there was no case being pursued by the DA.

But yeah, glad all the trade talks is over with...

MasterOfPuppets
04-24-2010, 09:50 PM
BEN NEEDS TO GET HIS LAWYER TO DRAW UP SOME OF THESE....:chuckle:

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=219422&title=love-contract

rbryan
04-25-2010, 01:36 AM
Wonder if BSPN will post the results of this poll??

Fox news coverage of the Obama inauguration was less biased than the slant ESPN has been jamming down your throat the last few months.

Ben is a rapist scumbag but Ray Lewis is a revered icon??

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 02:26 AM
BEN NEEDS TO GET HIS LAWYER TO DRAW UP SOME OF THESE....:chuckle:

http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=219422&title=love-contract

Hey that was funny. I don't think it was a fail.

I've been thinking that Ben needs to ask each girl until he has a solid girlfried "Do you want to have s-e-x with me?" Hey not romantic but either are one night stands.

I was thinking, what if this girl is an evil desperate liar. I know she is a woman so she gets the benefit of the doubt but what if she is lying.

Her story is fishy and she is a terrible communicator. "It's not OK" and "We don't need to do this." Who says we don't NEED to do this? What? How fishy. How about "Stop. I don't want to do this" or "This is rape".

Miss anonymous girl should take a lie detector.

Let's go Ben!

Again...what if she lied. I wish she had a conscience and just admitted it. That would be awesome...but everyone would say Ben paid er off anyway.

Remember the runaway Bride? It is not beyond a woman's capability to lie. Maybe she felt used that ben left right afterwards.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 02:51 AM
Few have gone on to actually read the police report. Please look at this:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0415101roethlisberger3.html

This is the accusers first statement and what i think happened. She said "I don't think this is a good idea" What BS. Ben probably thought she was talking about someone walking in on them etc. What a B. She fabricated the rest the next day.

Stone
04-25-2010, 09:21 AM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution did a 2-part article on the events in Milledgeville. Now before you groan...it is pretty even-handed, tells it from both sides, as you can see below:


"The group of Zeta Tau Alpha sorority sisters had a twist on the Thursday night bar hop — first they would attend a friend’s birthday party at her off-campus apartment. To liven things up, the hostess served vodka-laced Jell-O shots and assigned guests name tags with raunchy labels.

"On one chatty 20-year-old sophomore Zeta, the hostess stuck a tag with an abbreviation for a vulgar phrase suggesting she was sexually available.

"The two groups then set on their nightly rounds. During the evening, they would cross paths in three bars. By the end of the night, the sophomore with the raunchy name tag was leveling accusations of sexual assault against the star athlete. "


http://www.ajc.com/news/roethlisberger-was-bar-hop-491224.html

mesaSteeler
04-25-2010, 12:28 PM
Roethlisberger faced locker room issues
Watch this story Sunday on "Outside the Lines," 9 a.m. ET on ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=5132299
By William Weinbaum

OTL: Repairing His Reputation
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PITTSBURGH -- He set an NFL record by winning the first 15 regular-season games he started at quarterback.

And he finished his second season by winning the 2006 Super Bowl.

"I was invincible, I was Superman," Ben Roethlisberger told "E:60" in June 2009, describing his lofty state after two seasons.

"I was probably a little too confident, a little too ****y at times," Roethlisberger said. "That's why I say I think God knew that and knocked me down."

After the 2006 season, there were rumblings that Roethlisberger, who had a shaky, two-interception performance in the Super Bowl, was the player the defense-oriented Pittsburgh Steelers overcame to win the championship, not the one who led the way. He wasn't selected to the Pro Bowl and wasn't elected a team captain.

"I wasn't a good leader early on," Roethlisberger said in that 2009 interview.

"With everything that I had been thrown into and trying to be a leader, and be a quarterback, and be the best that I could be," he said, "I kind of got overwhelmed and I wasn't probably the best teammate I should have been the first couple years."

Four months after that first Super Bowl triumph, Roethlisberger suffered serious injuries when he crashed his motorcycle while riding without a helmet or a permit. He recovered in time for the '06 season, but according to teammates, "Big Ben" was being bashed behind his back by players dissatisfied with his work ethic and what they perceived as aloofness and a sense of entitlement.

[+] EnlargeNajeh Davenport
Jason Bridge/US PresswireFormer Steelers running back Najeh Davenport says tensions had been building within the team.

Former NFL running back Najeh Davenport, who joined the Steelers that season after spending four seasons in Green Bay, says he soon heard the jabs at Roethlisberger, then 24, despite the quarterback's remarkable two-year résumé of success. "Team leaders there didn't respect the fact that he didn't respect what it took to be like a champion, like a true champion," Davenport says.

About 60 percent of the team felt that way, according to Davenport and former NFL safety Mike Logan, who was then in his fifth season with the club and is now a talk show host for ESPN Radio 1250 Pittsburgh. Logan says Roethlisberger was seen by some teammates as unapproachable for their social and charity events and to sign autographs for fundraisers.

Both players, who were interviewed recently by "Outside the Lines," say they liked Roethlisberger and had good relationships with him, but there was no doubting the rift on the team.

"It was the elephant in the room," Logan says. "It was being talked about in different sections of the locker room."

After opening the 2006 season with a win, the Steelers dropped three straight games and then, the players say, there was a memorable meeting of the entire team when linebacker and co-captain Joey Porter shattered any secrecy in the locker room about the sentiment against Roethlisberger.

Joey Porter
Brett Hansbauer/US PresswireFormer teammates say then-Steelers linebacker Joey Porter called out quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in a 2006 locker room speech.

"It was just shocking to hear," Logan recalls. "Everyone wanted to say it, but no one [had] said it."

The "it" was the players' grievances against the third-year quarterback.

"Joey, we called him Peezy," Davenport says, "stood up and said, 'I got something to say.'"

Davenport says tensions had been building and building, and everyone in the room was quiet.

Porter then called Roethlisberger out as "the last person in the building and the first person to leave, not being dedicated to the team," Davenport says.

Next, Porter took Roethlisberger to task for separating himself from the team, according to Davenport.

"Last year you used to hang out with us," Davenport recalls Porter saying. "This year, it's like 'the Pittsburgh Steelers and Ben.'"

Logan credits the Porter speech for affecting the team and its signal-caller.

"I think that cleared a lot of the air, let the gas out, everyone was like, 'Ahhhhhh, we can breathe now, with it not being so tense now,'" Logan says. "I think it might've opened Ben's eyes a little, just to say, 'Hey, if I am a little more friendly to these guys, if I am a little more open, maybe I'll gain their respect.'"

Says Davenport: "He [Porter] was basically telling Ben, 'You're our leader, you've got to be better. We win or lose on you,' and that was his whole thing, in so many words."

Roethlisberger silently absorbed the dressing down, according to Davenport.

Mike Logan
Larry French/Getty ImagesFormer Steeler Mike Logan says Joey Porter's speech had an impact on Ben Roethlisberger and the team.

Though the others present also kept quiet, Logan says, "It was kind of an eye-opener for everyone to say, 'Wow!'"

The speech "was so powerful," Davenport says, that the Steelers players and staff didn't say anything as they left the gathering. He said even then-head coach Bill Cowher didn't say anything.

"He walked out and everybody got up and just walked out behind him," Davenport says.

"I was walking out," Davenport adds, "and Ben was like right behind me with his hoodie on. I looked around and I seen him, could see it in his face, kind of like a scolding, someone gets in trouble and they really don't want to show emotion, but they're kind of feeling it inside."

Davenport and Logan say Roethlisberger seemed humbled after the Porter confrontation and that he became a more vocal leader and more accessible to his teammates.

That season Pittsburgh finished with an 8-8 record. In 2007, the Steelers won 10 games and made the playoffs. A season later, led by Roethlisberger, they won 12 games and the NFL title, with one of the most thrilling finishes in Super Bowl history.

Roethlisberger, whose spokesman said he was unavailable to be interviewed for this story, was named to his first Pro Bowl in 2007 and elected a team captain for the first time in 2008. Porter, now with the Arizona Cardinals after three seasons with Miami, was released by the Steelers after the '06 season. He declined an interview request.

After two sexual assault allegations in the past 10 months, Roethlisberger's reputation is now in ruins. He hasn't been charged with a crime, but received a six-game suspension from the NFL for violating its personal conduct policy and the Steelers reportedly entertained trade offers for him. As the 2010 season approaches, Roethlisberger faces a new and profound credibility challenge in the locker room.

Fellow Steelers have expressed encouragement so far in limited interviews.

"He has to gain back the respect from his teammates because I think a lot of people lost respect for him, whether they'll say it on camera or not," says Logan, who keeps in touch with a number of current players. "They've seen Ben bounce back, they've seen him overcome and still have success, so they'll support him."

But there are caveats, Logan says, recalling Roethlisberger's upbraiding four years ago.

The players' attitude toward him now, he says, is, "We don't want to have to keep calling you out, having situations arise and then we revisit where we started from. No, you've done it long enough, you're 28 years old, we expect you to get the lessons without being reminded, there's no more time for that."

William Weinbaum is a producer in ESPN's Enterprise Unit, and also produced the TV story on Roethlisberger. Weinbaum's work appears on "Outside the Lines." ESPN correspondent Kelly Naqi, who has been reporting on Roethlisberger for "Outside the Lines" and "SportsCenter," contributed to this story. ESPN correspondent Michael Smith conducted the "E:60" interview with Roethlisberger in June 2009.

tube517
04-25-2010, 12:29 PM
That is a good article.

mesaSteeler
04-25-2010, 12:33 PM
Big Ben
By Joe Starkey, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, April 25, 2010
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_678035.html
About the writer

Joe Starkey co-hosts a talk show 2-6 p.m. weekdays on 93.7 "The Fan." His columns appear Thursdays and Sundays in the Trib. He can be reached via e-mail.
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Anyone who has watched Ben Roethlisberger play football knows he does his best work when his world is falling apart.

Skim his greatest-plays catalog, and you'll see the pattern: Roethlisberger is about to be engulfed, his receivers' patterns are toast, the play is ruined ... and he somehow turns all that trouble into triumph.

A Roethlisberger family friend, Tony Iriti, once told me: "Ben loves to prove people wrong."

We have seen ample evidence of that:

» Roethlisberger transitioned from Miami (Ohio) to unexpected NFL starter two games into his rookie season - and went 13-0.

» He made the best quarterback tackle in NFL history — in the open field against a cornerback half his size.

» He took his team 88 improbable yards to win the Super Bowl.

» He suited up for the first day of training camp just six weeks after a near-fatal motorcycle accident and lined up behind center just two weeks after a spinal-cord concussion.

But all of that combined cannot compare to the challenge awaiting Roethlisberger this season, in the wake of a second sexual assault accusation within a year.

Charges were not filed in either case, but Roethlisberger faces a stiff sentence nonetheless. He is liable to encounter as much scrutiny and verbal abuse as any athlete in recent memory when he returns from his NFL-imposed suspension.

Big Ben has become a pariah in these parts. His likeness was removed from a display at the Pittsburgh Zoo, replaced by Mario Lemieux's. His brand-name beef jerky was pulled from the shelves. Polls show fans heavily in favor of trading him.

One woman called a local sports-talk show to say she wanted to organize a bonfire where people could burn their No. 7 jerseys.

Imagine if Roethlisberger doesn't win right away. Imagine if he throws a few interceptions in his comeback game.

And when the Steelers hit the road, well, let's put it this way: NFL stadiums aren't exactly the Augusta National Golf Club when it comes to taming the locals. A taste of what Roethlisberger can expect occurred at the NFL Draft at New York's Radio City Music Hall.

When the Steelers were announced with the 18th pick, the upper gallery chanted: "She said no! She said no!"

What's more, Roethlisberger's favorite receiver — Santonio Holmes — is gone, as is his freedom to run the offense as he pleases. The Steelers are under an ownership mandate to re-emphasize the running game.

I thought of all this Saturday, six years to the day the Steelers drafted Roethlisberger. My assignment that afternoon was to write a get-to-know-him piece for The Trib. The first person I called was his mentor and college coach, Terry Hoeppner.

"He's a special guy," said Hoeppner, who died of brain cancer three years ago. "The people of Pittsburgh are going to fall in love with him."

That they did. Big Ben wore a crew cut and the initials P.F.J. — Play For Jesus — on his football shoes. His teammates spoke of how he drank only ice water in bars. He won every game, too, becoming the first quarterback in NFL history to go 13-0.

Fans had been waiting a quarter-century for the next Terry Bradshaw. The love affair intensified the following season, when the Steelers finally reeled in "One for the Thumb."

Big Ben had become larger than life. He was beloved, just as Hoeppner had predicted.

Behind the scenes, we know things weren't so rosy. As Roethlisberger admitted to ESPN six months ago: "I wasn't a good leader early on, and I probably wasn't the best teammate the first couple of years."

The implication of the ESPN piece was that Roethlisberger had since changed and was growing into a mature leader of men.

That would be laughable if it weren't so sad. You'd think the motorcycle accident would have knocked some humility into him. Instead, it might have jarred his demons loose.

Now, four years after the wreck, it is not Roethlisberger's face but his image that needs to be rebuilt. The first step is to behave, of course, but even that won't cut it if he doesn't play well and win.

Immediately.

Fire Haley
04-25-2010, 12:41 PM
I told all y'all Ben had a swolled head.

zulater
04-25-2010, 02:32 PM
There's one party that seems to be getting a free pass through all this that needs to finally step up and take a portion of the blame. That would be the Rooney's,who long ago become Ben's enablers ( imo) and therefore I have to wonder if this current prediciment might have somehow been avoided if they had stood up to the prodigal son a few years back?

I think it was fairly obvious that Cowher had a strained relationship with Ben. I think it was equally obvious that Whisenhunt and Ben weren't exactly tight either. After they left it appears that Ben got pretty much whatever he wanted whenever he wantedt. Hard to imagine how that sense of entitlement issue got out of hand huh? :doh:

Anyway I'm glad to see the orginization is now finally stating they want to see Ben through this ordeal. Because in my opinion a strong preemptive strike a few years back might have gone a long way towards preventing it to begin with.

SteelKnight
04-25-2010, 02:50 PM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution did a 2-part article on the events in Milledgeville. Now before you groan...it is pretty even-handed, tells it from both sides, as you can see below:


"The group of Zeta Tau Alpha sorority sisters had a twist on the Thursday night bar hop — first they would attend a friend’s birthday party at her off-campus apartment. To liven things up, the hostess served vodka-laced Jell-O shots and assigned guests name tags with raunchy labels.

"On one chatty 20-year-old sophomore Zeta, the hostess stuck a tag with an abbreviation for a vulgar phrase suggesting she was sexually available.

"The two groups then set on their nightly rounds. During the evening, they would cross paths in three bars. By the end of the night, the sophomore with the raunchy name tag was leveling accusations of sexual assault against the star athlete. "


http://www.ajc.com/news/roethlisberger-was-bar-hop-491224.html

Thanks for the story.

I still think the girl was confused and embarrassed that she had sex and was pressured into lying. Her story is fishy. The first night she said she told him "I don't think this is a good idea." The tone of her letter is not suggestive of ra-pe. I know she was drunk but she included other details.

Interesting she had to be asked whether it was consensual. Does she not know words like "forced" or "ra-pe"?

Also, maybe it has somethin to do with how they speak in Georgia but notice later she said that she said "We don't need to do this." Her friend said "She doesn't need to be back there." It's so passive but maybe "don't need" means "shouldn't" in Georgia. In other parts of the country don't/doesn't need is more passive meaning not required but not necessarily against. It sounds like it means "against" in Georgia.

The girl is still a liar. I hope her conscience haunts her until she tells the truth.

zulater
04-25-2010, 08:18 PM
http://www.postgameheroes.com/?p=9023

One source close to the investigation tells me that the accuser’s friend called Roethlisberger a rapist well before the alleged incident occurred, referring to the sexual assault allegations the athlete faced in Nevada. I was told that this is why her friend had been kicked out of the VIP room. Later, this same girl would drive the story that Roethlisberger raped her friend.

A friend of the accuser, Nicole Biancofiore, told police that the accuser was dragged down the hallway while not knowing what was happening because she was so intoxicated.

But the accuser told police that she walked away from Roethlisberger, and went through what she thought was an exit door, which instead was a door to a small bathroom.

Those two statements couldn’t be more different.

Not long after the night in question, the accuser made a surprise appearance at a sorority retreat in the mountains of northern Georgia. Her sorority sisters said she was acting very normal and just wanted to get away for the weekend and didn’t want to talk about the situation. Others have speculated that the accuser got together with her friends so that they could collaborate stories.

The accuser’s friend also reported to police that the accuser told her she had unprotected sex with Ben. Yet, the rape kit would not show enough DNA to even compare to Roethlisberger, or any man, for that matter. How you could have unprotected sex and not even leave enough DNA to compare? This would make famed celebrity pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht scratch his head.

The accuser was reportedly wearing a pin on her shirt with the letters “dtf” on it. When Roethlisberger asked the accuser what the letters stood for, he was told, “down to F—.” According to Steelers Right Tackle Willie Colon, Roethlisberger was asked by the girls if he wanted to take the party back to their sorority house. Roethlisberger declined, saying that it was a lawsuit waiting to happen. Clearly, Roethlisberger was not interested in committing sexual assault based on that comment.

These are the types of reasons why Roethlisberger did not get charged. The accuser herself would wait a couple weeks and serve the D.A. with a letter that stated she did not wish to pursue a criminal case, citing the media attention had been, and would be, overwhelming. This came after she avoided speaking to police who were trying to pursue a case against Roethlisberger on her behalf. No word yet that a civil suit is en route.

Bright then held a press conference to announce Roethlisberger would not be charged, yet that conference seemed slanted toward taking the accuser’s side, despite not having the evidence to even prove sex.

Many have speculated that the reason Bright was so hard on Roethlisberger was because he actually believed the accuser. But, just as likely, is that he definitely did not want to show in any way that he was taking the side of a rich athlete who plays up north over a young Georgia woman. Doing so would undoubtedly cost him votes for an upcoming re-election campaign

Borski
04-25-2010, 08:38 PM
The league commissioner met with Ben Roethlisberger "behind closed" doors for 2 hours on Tuesday to discuss recent allegations against the 2X SB champion.

"Big Ben" emerged from meeting, in which his lawyers and agent described as productive, with a wink and a smile.

Roger Goodell emergerd with disheveled hair and smeared lipstick and immediately requested a telephone to call local authorities.

A visibly shaken and slightly incoherent Goodell claimed he was raped during the meeting. :noidea:

news to follow....

NEW YORK—NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said Wednesday that Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger will serve a six-game suspension and must attend mandatory counseling, partially for violating the league's personal-conduct policy and partially for 'giving [Goodell] the creeps' during their Apr. 13 meeting. "Ben's bodyguards stood outside the door, and he assured me we were all alone and no one would bother us. Then he suddenly sat on my desk and tried to look at my notes, asking me what I was writing, if I was writing to another guy, or if I was telling someone else about him. At one point he sort of cornered me and I had to squeeze past him to get away," said Goodell, adding that he just tried to get the meeting over with as fast as possible. "He was so gross. And having his hair like that certainly doesn't help." Goodell also remarked that he would probably still change offices, although Roethlisberger's smell had mostly gone away.

They definitely got the idea from Tony (also posted in the Locker room thread)

Florida_Steelers_Fan
04-25-2010, 09:36 PM
I stumbled across this article today (Trib). I don't excuse anyone of taking ownership of their behavior or providing justification for anything Ben has done...

...but this is a unique take on things that has merit.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/pittsburgh/s_678091.html

By Carl Prine ... April 25th

On Nov. 22, the helmeted head of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger met the knee of onrushing Kansas City Chiefs linebacker Derrick Johnson.

The quarterback with two Super Bowl rings wobbled off the field and sat out the next game. Less than four months later, he stood accused of raping a Georgia student in a Milledgeville nightclub, and quiet questions began: Six years in the National Football League, 242 sacks, four serious head traumas -- three on the field and one from a nearly fatal 2006 motorcycle crash -- and two sexual assault allegations after boozy evenings in Nevada and Georgia.

On Wednesday, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell ordered Roethlisberger, 28, to undergo a battery of medical tests, part of a conditional punishment plan that could bench him for up to six games and cost him about $2.8 million.

Medical experts consulted by the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review refused to diagnose the root causes of Roethlisberger's pattern of self-destructive behavior. But frontal lobe brain trauma has long been known to affect mood, judgment, interpersonal relations, foresight and the inhibition that keeps most others from displaying inappropriate social behavior -- what's called "executive function" by neurologists and psychiatrists.

People who suffer repeated head injuries often exhibit signs of aggression, childishness, impaired self-control, inappropriate sexual activity and alcohol abuse, according to the National Institutes of Health.

"Ben Roethlisberger is a guy with a lot of concussions," said famed forensic pathologist Cyril Wecht. "It would be a very wise decision, a very appropriate one, for the NFL to test him for damage related to them. That's being very fair to Ben.

"It's conceivable to think that there is a possibility that those concussions have led to some behavioral issues. The question I pose is simple: Can someone with several chronic or repetitive head injuries later display behavior that is socially undesirable? It's certainly possible, but we won't know that unless there is a proper evaluation, then work-up and treatment plan. It would be medically negligent not to include these sorts of tests as a part of this disciplinary process."

Wecht doesn't want to excuse Big Ben's boorish behavior, only to ask the NFL to strongly consider the causes of it, including underlying brain trauma. The former Allegheny County coroner was so concerned with the issue that he convened a March 12 and 13 pow-wow of leading concussion experts at Duquesne University -- a conference he provocatively titled "Is Football Bad for the Brain?"

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said a formal clinical evaluation is standard for any player arrested, charged or otherwise appearing to engage in mischief, but the medical results won't be released to the public.

"We do not disclose any other details relating to a specific individual," Aiello said. "Yes, medical professionals perform the evaluation. Yes, we have access to the findings and recommendations."

Roethlisberger's spokesman, agent Ryan Tollner, did not return telephone calls seeking comment.

Traumatic brain injury long has been a key concern of the NFL Players Association. In October, the union formed a special committee to study the diagnosis, treatment and prevention of brain injuries. Former Steelers wide receiver Sean Morey co-chairs it with Virginia's Dr. Thom Mayer, the union's medical director.

"Until we examine a lot of people like Ben Roethlisberger and study the histories of brain injury and relate them to exhibited behavior, we won't be able to answer the essential questions that need to be answered," Mayer said. "There's so much more we need to know."

That's why the NFL last week donated $1 million to Boston University to study chronic traumatic encephalopathy. Known simply as "CTE" or "punchdrunk syndrome," it's a degenerative brain condition that affects cognition and player conduct, eventually leading to dementia. Post-mortem examinations of the brains of Steelers Terry Long, Justin Strzelczyk and Hall of Fame center Mike Webster found evidence of the syndrome.

Strzelczyk died in a fiery 2004 explosion after ramming his vehicle into a truck filled with acid while trying to evade pursuing police cruisers. His marriage had ended in divorce, and he was dogged by rumors of drug use and depression.

Long committed suicide by drinking antifreeze in 2006, having previously suffered from broken relationships and facing federal charges of defrauding lenders and accusations that he burned down a chicken-processing plant.

Webster experienced dementia, sleep problems, memory loss and a broken marriage before succumbing to a heart attack in 2002.

"With Mike Webster, you had all the signs -- a failed business and marriage. He had become homeless. He was suicidal, depressed. This is typical of chronic traumatic encephalopathy," said West Virginia University neurosurgeon Julian Bailes and Iron Mike's physician.

Bailes refuses to weigh in on Roethlisberger but encourages more research into repetitive concussions and sub-concussive blows to the head and how they affect behavior.

"We've looked at 23 brains through autopsy now," said Bailes, who serves on the union's brain trauma committee. The syndrome "seems to manifest by affecting the emotional circuitry of the brain, and we need to look more into that."

Set-Man
04-25-2010, 09:43 PM
Come on man are you serious? Head trauma causes you to get drunk and try to pick up college girls?

focosteeler
04-25-2010, 09:52 PM
Come on man are you serious? Head trauma causes you to get drunk and try to pick up college girls?

no dont you know?? it makes you put on weight grow your hair out so you look like a predator

steelerdave1969
04-25-2010, 09:59 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=5132299

I dont know if this has already been posted, but I found it really interesting. Just seems to show what kind of QB we had or have. Makes me look a little differently at Ben I guess. Seems like he maybe just hooked on himself more than some of us are.:noidea:

Preacher
04-25-2010, 09:59 PM
Come on man are you serious? Head trauma causes you to get drunk and try to pick up college girls?

no dont you know?? it makes you put on weight grow your hair out so you look like a predator

Um... According to the professionals it the field. YES IT DOES.

When you damage the brain, strange things happen.

_____________

As for the article itself. It is an interesting read. Regardless of the situation, I hope Ben gets all the proper care he needs... and hope that these actions were just a lack of judgment...

I really don't want to see another Steeler (Well, anyone else, but especially another Steeler) end up like Mike Webster.

Third Rail
04-25-2010, 09:59 PM
I've been wondering this too. I personally believe that Ben just hooked up with the girl and she (after plenty of encouragement by her friends) felt guilty about it and declared rape. However, messing around with a girl in a public bathroom, regardless of whether or not there was any actual sex that occurred) shows some poor judgment and irrational behavior on Ben's part - particularly since a random encounter 2 years ago (which was obviously completely consensual) had another woman crying rape.

Add that to various reports from people around Pittsburgh (which may or may not be true) saying that Roethlisberger has been rude or standoff-ish, and you might see a pattern. However, let me just say that I have never met the man in person so I can't say if those reports are accurate. But if they are, it would seem that a man who has as much riding on his shoulders as Ben does certainly doesn't put much thought into how he carries himself, which could be related to repeated head trauma.

Michael Keller
04-25-2010, 10:05 PM
This is the best post in months . I hope it doesn"t burn out . I love the replys.Get the forum tuned int.

I suggest after the second concussion the NFL madates CASTRATION to protect its image. Must be done in the off week before the Super Bowl. If your team makes the Super Bowl the requirement is waived until the next concussion. That will get the wives and girl friends involved. .

Florida_Steelers_Fan
04-25-2010, 11:02 PM
Not sure why the Mod moved this thread, but that's okay.

I think Ben's concussions and the possible link to any damage done merits its own thread. It's a unique discussion that has a different approach to possible damage done with regard to his behavior and MIGHT have physical proof to back it. I'm not saying this is a definitive, but it cannot be dismissed.

Also, if the NFL is without a doubt concerned about concussions (and their long-term impacts), it cannot be dismissed by the commissioners office as possible evidence of Ben's destructive behavior.

Either Ben is a full-blown moron who has no concern for his NFL future (a possibility) or he has damage done to his brain because of the multiple concussions he has endured which has bearing on his behavior (also a possibility).

I'd hate for this thought to get buried in this thread... It bear a unique discussion. But that's not my call...

Third Rail
04-25-2010, 11:07 PM
Yeah, I think it is something that not enough people are paying attention to... but considering the NFL wants to take this pseudo-moralistic approach with Ben's situation, I wouldn't put it past them to not give the concussion theory much merit. Since, after all, they would be partially responsible (as would the Rooneys, who haven't batted an eye about sticking him behind an O-Line that often looks like a turnstile.

Of course, it's a high-risk game and Ben does make plenty of risky plays on his own. But regardless, the head trauma debate shouldn't be brushed off, especially when you look at the cases of the three former Steelers mentioned in that article.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
04-25-2010, 11:10 PM
Yeah, I think it is something that not enough people are paying attention to... but considering the NFL wants to take this pseudo-moralistic approach with Ben's situation, I wouldn't put it past them to not give the concussion theory much merit. Since, after all, they would be partially responsible (as would the Rooneys, who haven't batted an eye about sticking him behind an O-Line that often looks like a turnstile.

Of course, it's a high-risk game and Ben does make plenty of risky plays on his own. But regardless, the head trauma debate shouldn't be brushed off, especially when you look at the cases of the three former Steelers mentioned in that article.

this was the part that grabbed my attention when i first read it...

pitt0wns
04-25-2010, 11:36 PM
Come on.

Ben didn't get charged/conviced.

I love how the media is like he was feeding alcohol to minors.

Shouldn't these girls be arrested for using a fake id and drinking under age? I know for sure if 99% of us used a fake id and got caught. We are either booted or arrested.

Its Bens responsibility to check ids now? Thats the bars fault.

Does Kobe Bryant ring a bell?

All these top althetes do all the same crap. Ben just picks the whack jobs that are looking for free money.

get over it.

Shea
04-25-2010, 11:38 PM
Anyone else completely sick and tired of the Ben saga or is it just me?

I can't even read the articles anymore ......

james ellis
04-25-2010, 11:43 PM
i guess everyone needs a little money right now even roger and the nfl, so give them the money already art before something else happens.

james ellis
04-25-2010, 11:53 PM
i think someone needs to hire a girl or two to make roger and his friends look stupid at the country club then i just wonder if hey get treated like ben did .

steelreserve
04-26-2010, 12:38 AM
I just noticed that if you go to the NFL Shop and try to order a custom #7 jersey with your last name as "DTF," it now won't allow it because it deems it to be offensive language. (I also find it funny that it won't let you order a #7 jersey with "R. Mexico" across the back.)

Kind of funny, considering some of the stuff they DO allow by comparison:

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f370/capt_taco/jerseys.gif

steelreserve
04-26-2010, 12:44 AM
and oh, also ... as a result of that effort, this is now the jersey I want more than anything. If I ever make it back to Pittsburgh for another game, I am seriously going to wear it.

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f370/capt_taco/jersey-40.gif

tube517
04-26-2010, 12:52 AM
:applaudit:

I'm tired of the whole thing. Preseason needs to get here fast.

Anyone else completely sick and tired of the Ben saga or is it just me?

I can't even read the articles anymore ......

WH
04-26-2010, 01:45 AM
.

I love how the media is like he was feeding alcohol to minors.

not only feeding, but forcing these angel's to drink them.

zulater
04-26-2010, 06:49 AM
Thanks for the story.

I still think the girl was confused and embarrassed that she had sex and was pressured into lying. Her story is fishy. The first night she said she told him "I don't think this is a good idea." The tone of her letter is not suggestive of ra-pe. I know she was drunk but she included other details.

Interesting she had to be asked whether it was consensual. Does she not know words like "forced" or "ra-pe"?

Also, maybe it has somethin to do with how they speak in Georgia but notice later she said that she said "We don't need to do this." Her friend said "She doesn't need to be back there." It's so passive but maybe "don't need" means "shouldn't" in Georgia. In other parts of the country don't/doesn't need is more passive meaning not required but not necessarily against. It sounds like it means "against" in Georgia.

The girl is still a liar. I hope her conscience haunts her until she tells the truth.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/why-big-ben-really-deserved-the-suspension

According to the "witnesses," Roethlisberger's bodyguards dragged the accuser to the bathroom, blocked the entrance into the bathroom and Roethlisberger approached the accuser with his penis exposed.

Once these accounts were introduced as "evidence" into the court of public opinion, broadcasters and pundits had all the ammo they needed to convict Ben as "disgusting" and call for Goodell to take swift and hard action.

It was completely irresponsible. Statements made by drunken sorority girls are not facts. Statements made by sober sorority girls about an evening spent bar-hopping and drinking are not facts.

Late last week I received an e-mail from a former sorority president and current advisor to a sorority. She warned me that the media were being foolish for believing the allegations of drunken 20-somethings. She explained what she'd witnessed firsthand as a student and what she now deals with as an advisor.

Some young women use alcohol as an excuse to be sexually aggressive at fraternity houses and nightclubs and then quickly concoct a story of sexual assault when confronted by their disapproving peers. Most of these allegations never make it to police headquarters. The allegations are too sketchy and the accuser's immediate jury of peers reject them.

"I don't believe a bunch of hammered sorority girls in this situation," the former sorority president wrote. "I've seen too much bad behavior amongst them. It's all about having fun and then making sure you're not held accountable and your reputation is still good."

Big Ben's accuser was allegedly wearing a name tag that read DTF -- "down to f---." She engaged in a lewd and highly flirtatious conversation with Roethlisberger.


I know this has already been posted, but I think it's relevant to your post.

At some point Ben's reputation is going to have to be rehabilitated. Someone in a position of prominence has to get the right information out in the right way so that the general consensus of the public is that Ben was suspended for using poor judgement, and not being punished by the league for a rape that happened but couldn't be proved by authorities. Which sad to say is exactly where things stand now.

WH
04-26-2010, 07:03 AM
Right Zu, but IMO the general public won't care. They've already passed judgement. The only people that would look at anything going against this girl's story are Steelers fans. Sad but true.

HometownGal
04-26-2010, 07:28 AM
At some point Ben's reputation is going to have to be rehabilitated. Someone in a position of prominence has to get the right information out in the right way so that the general consensus of the public is that Ben was suspended for using poor judgement, and not being punished by the league for a rape that happened but couldn't be proved by authorities. Which sad to say is exactly where things stand now.

Couldn't agree more. :drink:

I work for an estate liquidator and at this past weekend's sale, we had several Ben buttons for sale. We sold only one but there were a lot of people who picked up the remaining buttons and made disparaging comments about Ben before throwing them back in the box with the other buttons. Most of the comments were made by men and a couple of their wives defended Ben. I shouldn't have been shocked, but I was.

WH
04-26-2010, 08:21 AM
Most of the comments were made by men and a couple of their wives defended Ben.

They were just trying to make points so they could get leid. Half of those men would bang a 20 year old in a bathroom if they would let them.

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 10:03 AM
I think Ben should give an interview with Katie Couric or Diane Sawyer or whoever and give HIS side of the story, point blank. I know that his lawyers have advised him to take the "keep your head down and shut up" approach, while giving the occasional prepared statement, but I really think that's the worst way to go about this.

I know that in legal proceedings, there are times when you shouldn't or can't speak to the press, but since it's already been resolved and he's not being charged, I don't see any reason for him not to give his story. Sure, the people that hate him will continue to pass judgment and call him a rapist, but the hell with those people. What he needs to be concerned about are the fans that want to believe in him, but simply aren't sure. A good, honest interview would solidify that support.

truesteelerfan
04-26-2010, 10:06 AM
I don't know about you guys....but I feel Ben had darn well make sure to do EVERYTHING POSSIBLE for him to shorten his suspension from 6 games down to the possible 4.

I know he probably needs some professional therapy to help him with his substance...alleged alcohol abuse..

But does anyone else know what else he has to do besides that and keep his nose clean? I mean how hard could it be?

I've been a HUGE Ben supporter here on these boards, totally against trading him, suspending him, etc...BUT, if it's written on the wall plainly what he has to do to shorten the length of his suspension, and he either gets lazy, or decides not to...That will test my patience with the young man.

Hopefully money alone will be enough to motivate him, as each week he is suspended, he will lose thousands and thousands of dollars......

Just wanted to know if anyone else here had any additional insight....?

:noidea:

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 10:08 AM
He needs to kill some dogs...then it will get cut down to 2. jk

BlastFurnace
04-26-2010, 10:13 AM
I heard the suspension could go away if the Patriots trade for him. 7 years of cheating went away in 18 hours, why not a suspension?

siss
04-26-2010, 10:18 AM
I think he would have to choose very carefully about what he says because he never talked to the police and they never had a statement from him and he could unknowingly incriminate himself or say something that could re-open the case.

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 10:24 AM
Yeah, you might be right, I guess.

siss
04-26-2010, 10:25 AM
I's sure he will. Tomlin always says how competitive he is. I'm sure it won't sit well with the Steelers if Ben has the opportunity to make it 4 games and he fails. Especially if he claims to want to change his life. I'm sure it would be a slap in the face to the Steelers that they kept him on the team and supposedly showed remorse about the whole thing and he doesn't do what he has to to get back.

MACH1
04-26-2010, 10:26 AM
Return the favor. Give godell a good boning.

Fire Haley
04-26-2010, 10:26 AM
Chemical castration.

HometownGal
04-26-2010, 10:30 AM
I think he would have to choose very carefully about what he says because he never talked to the police and they never had a statement from him and he could unknowingly incriminate himself or say something that could re-open the case.

I agree in principle, but him saying absolutely nothing isn't helping his cause. Those of us who believe in him know he didn't rape anyone but agree that his common sense and judgment making need an overhaul. The best way, imho, for Ben to regain the respect of Steelers fans who are on the fence is to walk a straight path, keep the "Roethlischlong" in his pants in public, work hard on the practice field and kick ass on the football field.

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 10:39 AM
You know, I didn't think I could be more annoyed with the way the media keeps spinning every aspect of Roethlisberger's situation, but some recent articles I came across just floored me. I just read an article that said he decided to hire bodyguards after a man drew a gun on him a few years back because Ben was talking to his girlfriend.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/ben-roethlisberger-had-gu_n_551583.html

Then I read a few other recent articles (all about how Ben has a rep for being a jerk, etc.) and they spun this gun incident into Ben's "difficulty getting along with people."

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/63892/myron_rolle,_ben_roethlisberger,_and_the_value_of_ character_in_the_nfl

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Roethlisberger-wasn-t-a-popular-Steeler-even-be?urn=nfl,236615

I'm sorry, but if a guy pulls a gun on you... I don't care WHAT you said to him or his girlfriend... he's the one who has issues. But of course, Big Ben is a jerk, he does things that cause people to threaten to shoot him. He's an NFL quarterback and he should know better than to put himself in situations where idiots could be waving firearms at him. Roger Goodell should tack on a few more games to Ben's suspension for using poor judgment.

Give me a goddamned break.

Steel_12
04-26-2010, 10:51 AM
You know, I didn't think I could be more annoyed with the way the media keeps spinning every aspect of Roethlisberger's situation, but some recent articles I came across just floored me. I just read an article that said he decided to hire bodyguards after a man drew a gun on him a few years back because Ben was talking to his girlfriend.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/ben-roethlisberger-had-gu_n_551583.html

Then I read a few other recent articles (all about how Ben has a rep for being a jerk, etc.) and they spun this gun incident into Ben's "difficulty getting along with people."

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/63892/myron_rolle,_ben_roethlisberger,_and_the_value_of_ character_in_the_nfl

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Roethlisberger-wasn-t-a-popular-Steeler-even-be?urn=nfl,236615

I'm sorry, but if a guy pulls a gun on you... I don't care WHAT you said to him or his girlfriend... he's the one who has issues. But of course, Big Ben is a jerk, he does things that cause people to threaten to shoot him. He's an NFL quarterback and he should know better than to put himself in situations where idiots could be waving firearms at him. Roger Goodell should tack on a few more games to Ben's suspension for using poor judgment.

Give me a goddamned break.

Najeh Davenport said it all on OTL...Ben thought he was better than everybody in the locker room. He brought all of this on himself. The media is doing their job...maybe Ben needs to stop giving them ammo.

MACH1
04-26-2010, 10:56 AM
You know, I didn't think I could be more annoyed with the way the media keeps spinning every aspect of Roethlisberger's situation, but some recent articles I came across just floored me. I just read an article that said he decided to hire bodyguards after a man drew a gun on him a few years back because Ben was talking to his girlfriend.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/26/ben-roethlisberger-had-gu_n_551583.html

Then I read a few other recent articles (all about how Ben has a rep for being a jerk, etc.) and they spun this gun incident into Ben's "difficulty getting along with people."

http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/the_sporting_blog/entry/view/63892/myron_rolle,_ben_roethlisberger,_and_the_value_of_ character_in_the_nfl

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Roethlisberger-wasn-t-a-popular-Steeler-even-be?urn=nfl,236615

I'm sorry, but if a guy pulls a gun on you... I don't care WHAT you said to him or his girlfriend... he's the one who has issues. But of course, Big Ben is a jerk, he does things that cause people to threaten to shoot him. He's an NFL quarterback and he should know better than to put himself in situations where idiots could be waving firearms at him. Roger Goodell should tack on a few more games to Ben's suspension for using poor judgment.

Give me a goddamned break.

:doh::doh:

If players were suspended for nothing more than "bad judgment" there wouldn't be enough players to go around.

So, If you went into a bank and it was held up by gun point, it would be your fault for using bad judgment to put yourself in that situation? Maybe Ben should become a hermit and only come out for football activities.

HometownGal
04-26-2010, 10:58 AM
Return the favor. Give godell a good boning.

He already got that from Kraft* and Beliprick*. :laughing:

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 11:02 AM
Najeh Davenport said it all on OTL...Ben thought he was better than everybody in the locker room. He brought all of this on himself. The media is doing their job...maybe Ben needs to stop giving them ammo.

Or maybe Najeh Dumpinport is still a little bitter than he's more famous for taking a crap in a trashcan than anything he did during his NFL career. His story might have been backed up by Logan, but they really just sound like a couple of guys just trying to get their names back in the headlines at Ben's expense.

Steel_12
04-26-2010, 11:20 AM
Or maybe Najeh Dumpinport is still a little bitter than he's more famous for taking a crap in a trashcan than anything he did during his NFL career. His story might have been backed up by Logan, but they really just sound like a couple of guys just trying to get their names back in the headlines at Ben's expense.

You sound bitter...Najeh was answering the questions. Logan confirmed it because it was the truth. Just accept the fact that Ben is an asshole off the field.

SteelersJW
04-26-2010, 11:28 AM
Outside the lines had a great feature on ESPN today. The story featured former Steelers Najeh Davenport and Mike Logan, who both gave inside stories about Ben's behavior around the team and how his teammates responded. Check it out!

Here's the link: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5133803&categoryid=3286128

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 11:35 AM
You sound bitter...Najeh was answering the questions. Logan confirmed it because it was the truth. Just accept the fact that Ben is an asshole off the field.

He may very well be... but a locker room incident four years ago is exactly that. These guys aren't on the team any longer... they don't know if Ben still behaves this way towards his teammates, if their comments are true.

Edman
04-26-2010, 12:08 PM
Ben R. will probably go down in history as the biggest tragedies to ever wear a Steelers jersey. That was very sad to hear, but very true.

It's just a shame to see such a good player wasted like this. As far as repairing reputation, I think it's too late for that. If he wanted to repair his rep and be respected, then he should've done that long ago.

Fire Haley
04-26-2010, 12:12 PM
I'd rather Ben disappeared from the news entirely for the next 4 months.

Steel_12
04-26-2010, 12:15 PM
Yeah I saw that yesterday and was like "WOW".

devilsdancefloor
04-26-2010, 12:33 PM
I'd rather Ben disappeared from the news entirely for the next 4 months.

:iagree:

and come out singing ..



.-o30wacwdoc

fansince'76
04-26-2010, 01:23 PM
I'd rather Ben disappeared from the news entirely for the next 4 months.

Ben needs to start partying with these dudes:

yZHZQRUD6hw

:toofunny: :toofunny: :toofunny:

polamalubeast
04-26-2010, 01:33 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Roethlisberger-wasn-t-a-popular-Steeler-even-be?urn=nfl,236615

Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:33 am EDT

Roethlisberger wasn't a popular Steeler, even before all this
By MJD

Some former Pittsburgh Steelers teammates are kicking Ben Roethlisberger(notes) while he's down, telling ESPN that Roethlisberger wasn't well-liked in the locker room while they were there.

Kelly Naqi did a story for ESPN's "Outside the Lines" this weekend, focusing on Roethlisberger's image and reputation. She talked to former Steelers running back Najeh Davenport(notes), former Steelers safety about Mike Logan(notes), and some other people around the area. Here are some of the highlights.

• Davenport estimated that about 60 percent of the locker room felt like Roethlisberger thought he was "bigger than the team," and not focused on winning.

• Davenport also discussed a time when Joey Porter(notes) called out Roethlisberger in a team meeting for being the last one in to practice and the first one to leave. Porter also accused Roethlisberger of not being dedicated to the team, and criticized him for not fraternizing with his teammates.

• Mike Logan confirmed the incident where Porter addressed Roethlisberger, and said that all the things Porter mentioned were already being talked about in the locker room.

• Someone identified only as "a close friend of a Steelers player" said that the reason Roethlisberger had a bodyguard was because of an incident where a man put a gun to Roethlisberger's head because Roethlisberger was involved with the man's girlfriend.

• Naqi spoke with people who work at Pittsburgh bars and nightclubs, and they described Ben as someone who was condescending to the staffs and rude to other customers. One bar owner said Roethlisberger always expected he and his entourage to be given free food and drinks.

Roethlisberger wouldn't talk to ESPN for the story, and neither would Joey Porter.

It's the kind of report that wouldn't ever see the light of day if there weren't some other dastardly story about the guy. That's not to say that it isn't true, of course, but is it a big deal? Should we care?

After all, no one said anything about Roethlisberger-related locker room troubles when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls. Maybe this is just a mountain-out-of-a-molehill thing that surfaces now, because it's convenient and fits the "Roethlisberger as dirtball" narrative.

If there's any practical issue here, I think it's this: If Roethlisberger has to mend some fences in the Steelers locker room, perhaps it'll be even tougher than expected. If someone didn't like him before the sexual assault allegations, it's hard to imagine they'll warm up to the guy now, no matter what he does.

We'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. Locker rooms have been divided over less.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
04-26-2010, 01:37 PM
Well, that was 4 years ago. People grow into leadership roles. I always thought that Cowher himself developed an ego over time, so maybe playing for him wasn't easy either. QB is the MOST scrutinized position on a football team...you have to have a bit of arrogance to play it.

It's almost like people are really reaching for ways to destroy Ben... I understand it, because that's what the media wants: a story, and typically they want the dirt. I think Ben will come out of this just fine, as he seems like the type who can let this ride like water off a ducks back...

BlastFurnace
04-26-2010, 01:38 PM
The only thing that will get the media off of this would be a public crucifiction of Ben. That seems to be what they want...to completely destroy a 28 year old man. Sometimes, I hate the Internet age.

There is no way there aren't worse guys in the NFL than Ben.

BlastFurnace
04-26-2010, 01:40 PM
Well, that was 4 years ago. People grow into leadership roles. I always thought that Cowher himself developed an ego over time, so maybe playing for him wasn't easy either. QB is the MOST scrutinized position on a football team...you have to have a bit of arrogance to play it.

It's almost like people are really reaching for ways to destroy Ben... I understand it, because that's what the media wants: a story, and typically they want the dirt. I think Ben will come out of this just fine, as he seems like the type who can let this ride like water off a ducks back...

I remember reading that in the late 90's Cowher's ego did get out of control.

fansince'76
04-26-2010, 01:43 PM
The only thing that will get the media off of this would be a public crucifiction of Ben.

Or for someone else to eff up.

fansince'76
04-26-2010, 01:44 PM
Naqi spoke with people who work at Pittsburgh bars and nightclubs, and they described Ben as someone who was condescending to the staffs and rude to other customers. One bar owner said Roethlisberger always expected he and his entourage to be given free food and drinks.

OK. Elway hasn't paid for shit in a restaurant or bar in Denver since 1983, is pretty much a wait staff's nightmare, and is far from the most gracious person with Broncos fans, from all the stories I've heard. Really, is there a point to this anecdote? :coffee:

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 01:48 PM
Well, that was 4 years ago. People grow into leadership roles. I always thought that Cowher himself developed an ego over time, so maybe playing for him wasn't easy either. QB is the MOST scrutinized position on a football team...you have to have a bit of arrogance to play it.

It's almost like people are really reaching for ways to destroy Ben... I understand it, because that's what the media wants: a story, and typically they want the dirt. I think Ben will come out of this just fine, as he seems like the type who can let this ride like water off a ducks back...

What I found interesting about Logan's and Davensquirt's comments is that they talked about Ben's attitude during the 2006 season. I had always heard that Cowher was more or less disinterested that season, because he was on his way out. Maybe Ben behaved that way too, I don't know... but if he wasn't as involved as he should have been that year it might have had something to do with recently getting his head reconstructed. And he certainly made up for his bad 06 season in 07 and 08 (and even 09, despite missing the playoffs... Ben was solid; our defense killed us that year).

Prok
04-26-2010, 01:50 PM
OK. Elway hasn't paid for shit in a restaurant or bar in Denver since 1983, is pretty much a wait staff's nightmare, and is far from the most gracious person with Broncos fans, from all the stories I've heard. Really, is there a point to this anecdote? :coffee:

The point is that haters want to go out of their way to bash Ben and disgrace him.

Like another poster said, the QB is the most scrutinized position in football.

No sense even letting the haters get to ya. Just enjoy winning while Ben is a Steeler.

:tt:

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 01:51 PM
The only thing that will get the media off of this would be a public crucifiction of Ben. That seems to be what they want...to completely destroy a 28 year old man. Sometimes, I hate the Internet age.

There is no way there aren't worse guys in the NFL than Ben.

Yep.

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 01:56 PM
The point is that haters want to go out of their way to bash Ben and disgrace him.

Like another poster said, the QB is the most scrutinized position in football.

No sense even letting the haters get to ya. Just enjoy winning while Ben is a Steeler.

:tt:

Well said. The one thing that really does tick me off though is the Steelers' comments about Ben. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad they didn't trade him, but I expected them to get behind him a bit more. Something akin to "We believe in Ben and do not believe he was guilty of any crime, however, we will abide by the commissioner's decision." Instead, they pretty much threw him under the bus and took the "yes, we know he's an asshole but we'll stick with him and make sure he shapes up" approach. And well, even if that is how they are feeling, unless they believe he's guilty of the heinous crime, I think they were too harsh on him. They just gave the media more to feast on as they continue to run his name into the ground.

I expected Goodell to cave to the Internet bloggers who would have cried racism or favortism had he ruled any differently... but I didn't expect the Steelers to do the same. At least most of the (current) Steelers seem to be supporting him.

memphissteelergirl
04-26-2010, 02:12 PM
I agree in principle, but him saying absolutely nothing isn't helping his cause. Those of us who believe in him know he didn't rape anyone but agree that his common sense and judgment making need an overhaul. The best way, imho, for Ben to regain the respect of Steelers fans who are on the fence is to walk a straight path, keep the "Roethlischlong" in his pants in public, work hard on the practice field and kick ass on the football field.


I dunno, HTG....I think anything he says about the case right now will be interpreted as public relations BS by folks who have pretty much made up their minds that he's a p***k.

IMO his attorneys are correct (sickens me to say that). Ben just needs to keep a low profile and just do his work to get ready to get back on the field after his suspension is over. After that time, then do ONE interview, and be very careful about who he grants it to. Also, make sure from the get-go what they will talk about. No detail about the Georgia case except to say that he regrets his behavior and has learned his lesson (and for the love of the Almighty, Ben....MEAN WHAT YOU SAY! :banging:) Furthermore, he should just talk about how he's ready to get back on the field and start winning again.

Gnutella
04-26-2010, 02:29 PM
Statement by Ben Roethlisberger regarding his suspension (http://www.steelers.com/news/article-1/Statement-By-Ben-Roethlisberger-Regarding-His-Suspension/43bb2d11-6003-4873-9226-8962140ddc9a)

The Commissioner’s decision to suspend me speaks clearly that more is expected of me. I am accountable for the consequences of my actions. Though I have committed no crime, I regret that I have fallen short of the values instilled in me by my family. I will not appeal the suspension and will comply with what is asked of me ─ and more.

Missing games will be devastating for me. I am sorry to let down my teammates and the entire Steelers fan base. I am disappointed that I have reached this point and will not put myself in this situation again.
I appreciate the opportunities that I have been given in my life and will make the necessary improvements.

OK, Ben. Now it's time to walk the walk.

stillers4me
04-26-2010, 02:40 PM
I think the smartest thing the Steelers could do is ask Tony Dingy to counsel Ben. Dingy is respected both on and off the field and intervened with Mike Vicky which I think helped his chances of reinstatement. It would be good PR for Ben.
to involve Tony Dingy in this thing

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 02:49 PM
I think the smartest thing the Steelers could do is ask Tony Dingy to counsel Ben. Dingy is respected both on and off the field and intervened with Mike Vicky which I think helped his chances of reinstatement. It would be good PR for Ben.
to involve Tony Dingy in this thing

Anything to get Tony Dungy off of Sunday Night Football. :chuckle:

In all seriousness though, I'm glad that Ben included in his statement that "he committed no crime." People need to hear that, even if he can't elaborate more.

polamalubeast
04-26-2010, 02:49 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/26/cowher-approves-of-roethlisberger-suspension/

Cowher approves of Roethlisberger suspension

Posted by Michael David Smith on April 26, 2010 1:51 PM ET
Ben Roethlisberger's first NFL head coach, Bill Cowher, says that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell made the right call in suspending Roethlisberger for the first six games of the season.

"I think it's good, in my personal opinion," Cowher told Boomer Esiason and Craig Carton on WFAN. "I think it sends a very strong message that your conduct is something that you're going to be held accountable for. It was well documented what took place, obviously no charges have been filed to this point, but that still does not dismiss any NFL player from the responsibilities that come with their actions when they're in the public eye."

Cowher says he doesn't think it's too late for Roethlisberger to reshape his reputation.

"I think he's got an opportunity to rekindle his reputation," Cowher said. "He's a young player, he's made some very poor judgments in the last few years, and if he's ever going to learn from something, he'll learn from this. I think they're gonna give him the opportunity to do that."

Asked by Esiason whether Roethlisberger is well liked in the Steelers' locker room, Cowher gave an answer that sounded a little uncomfortable and suggested that what the Steelers like about Roethlisberger is confined to what he does on Sundays.

"Uh, you know, I mean, you know what Boom, I think it's all," Cowher stammered at first, before continuing, "I think we like anybody that can help us win football games."

Gnutella
04-26-2010, 02:50 PM
I think the smartest thing the Steelers could do is ask Tony Dingy to counsel Ben. Dingy is respected both on and off the field and intervened with Mike Vicky which I think helped his chances of reinstatement. It would be good PR for Ben.
to involve Tony Dingy in this thing

D-U-N-G-Y

polamalubeast
04-26-2010, 02:54 PM
......

pete74
04-26-2010, 02:54 PM
im starting to think the steelers put his name out there as a possible trade just to show him that his value isnt as high as he thinks. maybe ben thought every team would feel lucky to have him and the steelers wanted to show him that wasnt the case. now if someone offered us what the broncos got for cutler, he would already be gone but they knew that wasnt going to happen.

as for all the latest news, its getting old. everyone knows ben isnt the perfect teamate but not to many players are. he won 2 super bowls and thats good enough for me as long as he stays away from college hangouts

stillers4me
04-26-2010, 03:08 PM
I think the smartest thing the Steelers could do is ask Tony Dungy to counsel Ben. Dungy is respected both on and off the field and intervened with Mike Vicky which I think helped his chances of reinstatement. It would be good PR for Ben to involve Tony Dungy in this thing

Cape Cod Steel Head
04-26-2010, 03:34 PM
I've "heard" he's a real D- bag when he is out and about in Pittsburgh. Assuming he should have free drinks, walking out w/o paying etc...

pete74
04-26-2010, 03:52 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Roethlisberger-wasn-t-a-popular-Steeler-even-be?urn=nfl,236615

Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:33 am EDT

Roethlisberger wasn't a popular Steeler, even before all this
By MJD

Some former Pittsburgh Steelers teammates are kicking Ben Roethlisberger(notes) while he's down, telling ESPN that Roethlisberger wasn't well-liked in the locker room while they were there.

Kelly Naqi did a story for ESPN's "Outside the Lines" this weekend, focusing on Roethlisberger's image and reputation. She talked to former Steelers running back Najeh Davenport(notes), former Steelers safety about Mike Logan(notes), and some other people around the area. Here are some of the highlights.

• Davenport estimated that about 60 percent of the locker room felt like Roethlisberger thought he was "bigger than the team," and not focused on winning.

• Davenport also discussed a time when Joey Porter(notes) called out Roethlisberger in a team meeting for being the last one in to practice and the first one to leave. Porter also accused Roethlisberger of not being dedicated to the team, and criticized him for not fraternizing with his teammates.

• Mike Logan confirmed the incident where Porter addressed Roethlisberger, and said that all the things Porter mentioned were already being talked about in the locker room.

• Someone identified only as "a close friend of a Steelers player" said that the reason Roethlisberger had a bodyguard was because of an incident where a man put a gun to Roethlisberger's head because Roethlisberger was involved with the man's girlfriend.

• Naqi spoke with people who work at Pittsburgh bars and nightclubs, and they described Ben as someone who was condescending to the staffs and rude to other customers. One bar owner said Roethlisberger always expected he and his entourage to be given free food and drinks.

Roethlisberger wouldn't talk to ESPN for the story, and neither would Joey Porter.

It's the kind of report that wouldn't ever see the light of day if there weren't some other dastardly story about the guy. That's not to say that it isn't true, of course, but is it a big deal? Should we care?

After all, no one said anything about Roethlisberger-related locker room troubles when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls. Maybe this is just a mountain-out-of-a-molehill thing that surfaces now, because it's convenient and fits the "Roethlisberger as dirtball" narrative.

If there's any practical issue here, I think it's this: If Roethlisberger has to mend some fences in the Steelers locker room, perhaps it'll be even tougher than expected. If someone didn't like him before the sexual assault allegations, it's hard to imagine they'll warm up to the guy now, no matter what he does.

We'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. Locker rooms have been divided over less.

why would anyone belive davenport. this prick got arrested for sneaking into a girls dorm room and taking a dump in her closet. he was also arrested for child endangerment and domestic assult.

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 04:18 PM
why would anyone belive davenport. this prick got arrested for sneaking into a girls dorm room and taking a dump in her closet. he was also arrested for child endangerment and domestic assult.

Yep, good old Najeh "No. 2" Davenport.

klick81
04-26-2010, 04:19 PM
Fine, Ben is a douche bag.

But I just lost some respect for Davenport. Him throwing Ben's dirtly laundry out there is some chicken sh!t if you ask me. And for what? A little bit of attention that he can no longer achieve on the football field. What a ***** move.

Third Rail
04-26-2010, 04:24 PM
He couldn't even get that much attention when he was actually ON the football field.

JCPsteelers
04-26-2010, 04:51 PM
Ben doesn't care about winning but he's won 2 Super Bowls and one of them the biggest drives in Super Bowl history? Okay Crapper Davenport. :sofunny:


Terry bradshaw wasn't the most liked player in the Steelers locker room.. This is much ado about nothing.

JEFF4i
04-26-2010, 04:56 PM
This is much ado about nothing.

This

vasteeler
04-26-2010, 05:26 PM
Fine, Ben is a douche bag.

But I just lost some respect for Davenport. Him throwing Ben's dirtly laundry out there is some chicken sh!t if you ask me. And for what? A little bit of attention that he can no longer achieve on the football field. What a ***** move.

:thmbup:

stlrtruck
04-26-2010, 06:17 PM
This should all be water under the bridge for right now! Ben should be given the clean slate to prove himself to both his teammates and his fans.

polamalubeast
04-26-2010, 06:18 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/arti...bad-experience

Cowher: Roethlisberger will learn from experience
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In the wake of Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's suspension by the NFL after being accused of sexual assault in Georgia, there's been precious little substantive commentary from those close to him. That's slowly changing.

Bill Cowher coached Roethlisberger for three seasons, and he joined WFAN in New York with Boomer and Carton to share his opinion on the whole situation. To listen to the interview, go to Sports Radio Interviews.



Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has been suspended by the NFL for at least four games to start the 2010 season.What does Cowher think about the suspension Roethlisberger received?

Cowher: I think it's good, in my personal opinion. I think it sends a very strong message that your conduct is something that you're going to be held accountable for.

It was well documented what took place -- obviously, no charges have been filed to this point -- but that still does not dismiss any NFL player from the responsibilities that come from their actions when they're in the public eye. I think Commissioner Goodell has taken a very strong stance in the past and I think he's doing that right now. I think it got the endorsement of the Pittsburgh Steelers and everybody else. I think right now it's up to Ben to deal with the punishment that has been handed out, to adhere to whatever these guidelines are that he must adhere to, and to try to make this a four game suspension as opposed to six. That would be in the best interest of the football team and that's what he owes to his teammates.

That being said, I would think he would do that. They could see something was coming down. They went out and got Byron Leftwich and it's either going to be him or [Dennis] Dixon, probably, one of the starters when it comes to opening day and the first four weeks before the bye.

Does he think the Steelers will trade Roethlisberger?

Cowher: I do not. I think the message was very loud and clear that they are very disappointed to have to go through this. I think he's got an opportunity to rekindle his reputation.

He's a young player, he's made some very poor judgments in the last few years, and if he's ever going to learn from something, he'll learn from this. I think they're going to give him the opportunity to do that.

Was Roethlisberger well-liked within the organization?

Cowher: I think we like anybody that can help us win football games. I think there's no question that this guy, on the football field, is tremendously respected by his teammates and he's respected by opponents. He's a talent. The guy is an unbelievable competitor. He's got a great feel for the game, but certainly with some of the things that have been brought on in the last couple of years, it kind of puts a damper on it.

I think again, as you know, the bottom line is trying to win football games. You have young single guys and you have people that have three kids. The dynamics of every locker room are a little bit different. Usually when 4:00 comes or 4:30 comes, everybody goes their separate ways.

The one thing you want to make sure the players do is they don't do anything to dampen your ability to win football games. What Ben has done is put himself in a situation where he's going to miss six games. Hopefully, he'll do the right thing and minimize that to four.

Why will the Steelers hold on to Roethlisberger and not trade him?

Cowher: I think the circumstances are something where there's no reason to say they wouldn't, but I would be very surprised. This is a guy that was brought up, and again there's no way they would condone his actions, but at the same time, this is a behavioral thing. There's been no drugs involved, there's been no series of events of that nature.

They made a very big investment in Ben. Again, I think he's a guy that has proven to be a big commodity on the field and certainly want to get him to be the leader off the field. I think they still believe in him. I think that's what is the bottom line. If there were a trade to be made, it would show that they really feel like they have exasperated every opportunity to try to change him. I still believe that they feel like he will learn from this and they can move forward with him as their quarterback.

fansince'76
04-26-2010, 06:22 PM
It was well documented what took place -- obviously, no charges have been filed to this point -- but that still does not dismiss any NFL player from the responsibilities that come from their actions when they're in the public eye.

Fair enough. So when can we expect Eric Foster's suspension?

BlastFurnace
04-26-2010, 06:25 PM
Fair enough. So when can we expect Eric Foster's suspension?

Funny....we haven't heard much about that one.

tube517
04-26-2010, 06:28 PM
Ben already talked about this (not the J.Porter incident) in the previous E60 episode last season on ESPN. Charlie Batch sat him down before the 2008 season and told Ben that he was not liked.

There's really nothing new about the (un)popularity of Ben in the lockerroom.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Roethlisberger-wasn-t-a-popular-Steeler-even-be?urn=nfl,236615

Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:33 am EDT

Roethlisberger wasn't a popular Steeler, even before all this
By MJD

Some former Pittsburgh Steelers teammates are kicking Ben Roethlisberger(notes) while he's down, telling ESPN that Roethlisberger wasn't well-liked in the locker room while they were there.

Kelly Naqi did a story for ESPN's "Outside the Lines" this weekend, focusing on Roethlisberger's image and reputation. She talked to former Steelers running back Najeh Davenport(notes), former Steelers safety about Mike Logan(notes), and some other people around the area. Here are some of the highlights.


After all, no one said anything about Roethlisberger-related locker room troubles when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls. Maybe this is just a mountain-out-of-a-molehill thing that surfaces now, because it's convenient and fits the "Roethlisberger as dirtball" narrative.

If there's any practical issue here, I think it's this: If Roethlisberger has to mend some fences in the Steelers locker room, perhaps it'll be even tougher than expected. If someone didn't like him before the sexual assault allegations, it's hard to imagine they'll warm up to the guy now, no matter what he does.

We'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. Locker rooms have been divided over less.

Psyychoward86
04-26-2010, 06:32 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Roethlisberger-wasn-t-a-popular-Steeler-even-be?urn=nfl,236615

Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:33 am EDT

Roethlisberger wasn't a popular Steeler, even before all this
By MJD

Some former Pittsburgh Steelers teammates are kicking Ben Roethlisberger(notes) while he's down, telling ESPN that Roethlisberger wasn't well-liked in the locker room while they were there.

Kelly Naqi did a story for ESPN's "Outside the Lines" this weekend, focusing on Roethlisberger's image and reputation. She talked to former Steelers running back Najeh Davenport(notes), former Steelers safety about Mike Logan(notes), and some other people around the area. Here are some of the highlights.

• Davenport estimated that about 60 percent of the locker room felt like Roethlisberger thought he was "bigger than the team," and not focused on winning.

• Davenport also discussed a time when Joey Porter(notes) called out Roethlisberger in a team meeting for being the last one in to practice and the first one to leave. Porter also accused Roethlisberger of not being dedicated to the team, and criticized him for not fraternizing with his teammates.

• Mike Logan confirmed the incident where Porter addressed Roethlisberger, and said that all the things Porter mentioned were already being talked about in the locker room.

• Someone identified only as "a close friend of a Steelers player" said that the reason Roethlisberger had a bodyguard was because of an incident where a man put a gun to Roethlisberger's head because Roethlisberger was involved with the man's girlfriend.

• Naqi spoke with people who work at Pittsburgh bars and nightclubs, and they described Ben as someone who was condescending to the staffs and rude to other customers. One bar owner said Roethlisberger always expected he and his entourage to be given free food and drinks.

Roethlisberger wouldn't talk to ESPN for the story, and neither would Joey Porter.

It's the kind of report that wouldn't ever see the light of day if there weren't some other dastardly story about the guy. That's not to say that it isn't true, of course, but is it a big deal? Should we care?

After all, no one said anything about Roethlisberger-related locker room troubles when the Steelers were winning Super Bowls. Maybe this is just a mountain-out-of-a-molehill thing that surfaces now, because it's convenient and fits the "Roethlisberger as dirtball" narrative.

If there's any practical issue here, I think it's this: If Roethlisberger has to mend some fences in the Steelers locker room, perhaps it'll be even tougher than expected. If someone didn't like him before the sexual assault allegations, it's hard to imagine they'll warm up to the guy now, no matter what he does.

We'll just have to wait and see how that plays out. Locker rooms have been divided over less.

Cowher disagrees...

Cowher says Roethlisberger was respected by team


http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/04/26/cowher-says-roethlisberger-was-respected-by-team/

There are varying reports that Ben Roethlisberger was not very popular with his teammates. Former Steelers coach Bill Cowher does not necessarily agree with that.

Cowher — who coached the enigmatic quarterback for three seasons — joined Boomer Esiason on WFAN in New York on Monday morning (via Sports Radio Interviews) and said that Roethlisberger was liked by his teammates. Of course, winning had a lot to do with it.

But his suspension could hurt that.

“You know what Boom, I think we like anybody that can help us win football games,” Cowher said. “I think there’s no question that this guy, on the football field is tremendously respected by his teammates and he’s respected by opponents. He’s a talent. The guy is an unbelievable competitor.

“He’s got a great feel for the game, but certainly with some of the things that have been brought on in the last couple of years, it kinda puts a damper on it. I think again, as you know, the bottom line is trying to win football games. …

“The one thing you want to make sure the players do is they don’t do anything to dampen your ability to win football games. What Ben has done is put himself in a situation where he’s gonna miss six games. Hopefully he’ll do the right thing and minimize that to four.”

Cowher added that he thought the suspension would be good for Roethlisberger and that this should be an eye-opener for the quarterback. And because of that, Cowher does not believe that Roethlisberger will be traded.

RoethlisBURGHer
04-26-2010, 06:36 PM
A locker room consists of 53 players. Even more in practice when you include the PS.

Not everyone is going to be liked. But Ben wins, and I guarantee that everyone likes winning. You don't have to like someone to play on the same football team.

HometownGal
04-26-2010, 07:07 PM
D-U-N-G-Y

Really Gnu - like you've never made a typo. :coffee: It's no big deal - we all knew who stillers was referring to.

I'm glad Ben at least said SOMETHING and included in his short statement that he didn't commit a crime. Now we can all sit back and watch the blood sucking media try to twist and turn everything he said. :jerkit:

As another poster stated - Time for you to walk the walk Ben. Actions speak louder than words. I'm behind you 100% for the record.

JCPsteelers
04-26-2010, 07:10 PM
Mike Logan was on Sportscenter blabbing on about Big Ben and one thing he said was that Ben hasn't responded to Ike Taylor's offer to train with him in Florida.


Of course I would support Ike and Ben working out together.. Maybe Ike could actually practice CATCHING the ball from a QB.. :rofl:



sorry, couldn't resist.. I love u Ike.. :tt02:

stillers4me
04-26-2010, 07:12 PM
Really Gnu - like you've never made a typo. :coffee: It's no big deal - we all knew who stillers was referring to.

I'm glad Ben at least said SOMETHING and included in his short statement that he didn't commit a crime. Now we can all sit back and watch the blood sucking media try to twist and turn everything he said. :jerkit:

As another poster stated - Time for you to walk the walk Ben. Actions speak louder than words. I'm behind you 100% for the record.

I typed that post on my cell phone in a dark room while a patient was taking a visual field test.....hence the typos...

I FIXED IT .....K?????

RoethlisBURGHer
04-26-2010, 07:47 PM
Mike Logan was on Sportscenter blabbing on about Big Ben and one thing he said was that Ben hasn't responded to Ike Taylor's offer to train with him in Florida.


Of course I would support Ike and Ben working out together.. Maybe Ike could actually practice CATCHING the ball from a QB.. :rofl:



sorry, couldn't resist.. I love u Ike.. :tt02:

:rofl: If he had hands, he's be a wide receiver.

He cannot participate in workouts with the Steelers. I wonder how Goodell would feel if he went to Florida and worked out with teammates in his own time? I don't think Goodell would be very happy with it. He is supposed to be working on himself right now.

Also, have you seen Ben lately? He's a fatty! Working out with Ike and them in Florida would kill the guy! He needs to start on a treadmill, he probably has no stamina!

Psyychoward86
04-26-2010, 07:56 PM
Also, have you seen Ben lately? He's a fatty! Working out with Ike and them in Florida would kill the guy! He needs to start on a treadmill, he probably has no stamina!

:doh:


Did you watch him play at all last season?

fat4jc
04-26-2010, 07:56 PM
What I found interesting about Logan's and Davensquirt's comments is that they talked about Ben's attitude during the 2006 season. I had always heard that Cowher was more or less disinterested that season, because he was on his way out. Maybe Ben behaved that way too, I don't know... but if he wasn't as involved as he should have been that year it might have had something to do with recently getting his head reconstructed. And he certainly made up for his bad 06 season in 07 and 08 (and even 09, despite missing the playoffs... Ben was solid; our defense killed us that year).

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I somewhat recall Charlie Batch sitting Ben down and telling him about his status in the locker room. I believe that's when he started hanging out with his O-line alot more. I'mna try and find the link. It was an ESPN video I believe.

Here's the video...

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4641995

tube517
04-26-2010, 08:04 PM
Mean Joe got pissed at Bradshaw in the first SB season in '74. I forgot the America's Game quote but he was mad. Winning makes the players respect each other.
Except the 2 Kent State LB's. They don't like anyone. :chuckle:

A locker room consists of 53 players. Even more in practice when you include the PS.

Not everyone is going to be liked. But Ben wins, and I guarantee that everyone likes winning. You don't have to like someone to play on the same football team.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
04-26-2010, 09:37 PM
I think it's very important that Ben shower with the guys...nothing brings a team together more than grown men washing each others backs.

mesaSteeler
04-27-2010, 12:04 AM
Crisis management professionals not impressed by Ben's approach
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_678302.html#
By Bob Cohn
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, April 27, 2010

This time, there was no funky hairstyle or emotionless, eyes-on-the-page public apology.

Instead, Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger issued a three-paragraph, 119-word statement even briefer than his 74-second, mulleted mea culpa before the cameras a few weeks ago after a Georgia prosecutor declined to charge him in connection with a college student's rape accusation.

Roethlisberger, suspended 4 to 6 games by the National Football League last week for violating its personal conduct policy, said Monday he will not appeal the penalty and promised to "comply with what is asked of me — and more."

He took accountability for the "consequences" of his actions. He apologized again to his teammates and Steelers fans, and pledged to "not put myself in this situation again."

By releasing a statement instead of immediately addressing his situation in person, Roethlisberger emulated Tiger Woods and other celebrities publicly tangled in unseemly circumstances. But the statement will likely do little to restore the two-time Super Bowl winner's tarnished image, according to those in the tarnished image-restoring business.

"Minimally positive," said Jonathan Bernstein, head of Bernstein Crisis Management in Sierra Madre, Calif., and author of the book, "Keeping the Wolves at Bay."'

"It really means nothing," said Mike Paul, who heads MGP & Associates in New York (slogan: "Because Your Reputation is Everything").

Dennis Ross III, president of Ross Crisis Management in Atlanta (slogan: "Winning Strategies for Unexpected Events"), said Roethlisberger's statement "did not do any harm, which in his case and what he's been dealing with, is actually a plus."

A Steelers spokesman said the statement "came from Ben" and "those were Ben's words."

Ross said celebrities typically do not pen their apologies, instead offering input to a team effort. In Roethlisberger's case, "It looks like he had a strategic communications copywriter write it," Ross said. "I guarantee it, 99 percent."

Paul called the text "boilerplate legal apology language" and did not hedge even 1 percent.

"He definitely didn't write it," he said. "No question about that. It was definitely written by a committee of PR people and got reviewed by attorneys."

Ross, who has a book coming out in the fall, "Character is the New Swagger," said he liked one part of the statement: Roethlisberger's vow to comply with what's expected, "and more."

"I thought those were the two most important words, because it opens the door and allows the public to give him an opportunity to show us what 'and more' " means," he said.

The statement says "all the right things," said Bernstein. " 'I'm gonna learn from this, I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure it doesn't happen again.' It's more or less humble. It just doesn't sound like a real person."

With some preparation, a "real person" speaking the words probably would have helped Roethlisberger's cause, the experts said.

"Well-written statements have lost their effectiveness," Ross said. "For a person to be able to look at you ... it goes further than the written word."

It's like if your kid gets in trouble at school, Paul said, "and Johnny is slick enough to think he can get away with texting dad and saying he's sorry. It's not gonna fly. Dad wants to look him in the eye. Dad wants to read his emotions, to see if he's being humble, to see if he's throwing words around.

"I would have liked to have (Roethlisberger) speak to me directly."

Bob Cohn can be reached at rcohn@tribweb.com or 412-320-7810.

mesaSteeler
04-27-2010, 12:06 AM
Poll respondents say minds aren't changed about Roethlisberger
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_678292.html
By Ralph N. Paulk
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, April 27, 2010

Brian Vokes is a self-proclaimed diehard Steelers fan. At 42, he has seen the highs and lows of one of the National Football League's storied franchises.

He can easily forgive insufferable and embarrassing defeats. But the Cranberry resident, like many other Steelers fans the Tribune-Review contacted yesterday, isn't as forgiving of quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's off-field behavior.

In a statement issued yesterday, Roethlisberger said he is "sorry to let down my teammates and the entire Steelers fan base," following a six-game suspension NFL commissioner Roger Goodell handed him last week for a March 5 incident in Milledgeville, Ga., in which a college student accused him of raping her in a nightclub restroom.

"I am disappointed that I have reached this point and will not put myself in this situation again," Roethlisberger said in a statement the Steelers released.

Roethlisberger avoided criminal charges in Georgia. But he faces a civil lawsuit involving a rape accusation from a 2008 incident at a casino in Lake Tahoe, Nev. The lawsuit is being delayed because the state Supreme Court is considering a change of venue.

Vokes said Roethlisberger's statement failed to dissuade him that the two-time Super Bowl winning quarterback didn't warrant the six-game suspension.

Vokes was among 61 percent of respondents in a Tribune-Review poll who said Roethlisberger should have been suspended or fined. In that poll, 23 percent said the Steelers should trade Roethlisberger.

"He's had weeks to have somebody draw up this statement," Vokes said. "... He should have been traded. This is all he can say. He's hasn't been charged with anything, but he's done something. I think back in the day, people did this all the time, but he's in such a big spotlight now that they can't do this stuff.''

Isabel Larkin of Irwin and Janet Ziots of Fairbank in Fayette County, who also took part in the poll, said Roethlisberger's statement didn't persuade them of his innocence.

"I don't believe him. I don't believe he didn't do anything wrong," Larkin said. "I just don't know what he can say to make it better."

Ziots said she would have preferred Roethlisberger say nothing.

"It's a little bit late for apologies," she said. "I think he should keep his mouth closed because he got off easy. Why doesn't he grow up?"

Of eight women contacted, only one said Roethlisberger's statement was sufficient. Most, like Diane Plavchak of Pittsburgh, said only Roethlisberger's actions matter.

"It doesn't satisfy me, because it's not the statement but his actions that will speak more clearly than his words," Plavchak said. "I think he made a statement after the last incident (involving the Nevada civil case)."

Plavchak, too, thinks the Steelers should have traded Roethlisberger before or during last week's NFL Draft.

"I think the window to trading him has closed," she said. "The Steelers lost of lot of their options once the draft was over. We are stuck with babysitting him and watching his actions. If he does it again, it'll be his last strike."

Despite skepticism from many fans, Roethlisberger satisfied a few with his statement.

"As long he accepts responsibility for it, it's more than enough," said James J. Jones of Shaler. "He's got to do what (the NFL and Steelers) ask of him. Anybody can make a mistake, and if he's willing to rectify that, it's fine with me."

Ralph N. Paulk can be reached at rpaulk@tribweb.com or 412-320-7923 .

mesaSteeler
04-27-2010, 12:08 AM
Harris: Roethlisberger follows Woods' lead
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/print_678273.html
By John Harris, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Tuesday, April 27, 2010

Pittsburgh Tribune-Review sports columnist and can be reached at 412-481-5432 or via e-mail.

Ben Roethlisberger is taking a remedial course at the Tiger Woods School of Redemption.

Roethlisberger took baby steps Monday toward repairing his fractured public image and regaining the trust of the Steelers. It came in the form of a statement attributed to him in response to the conditional six-game suspension he received from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

Similar to the prepared statement he read to the local media two weeks ago, Roethlisberger didn't say anything revealing or unexpected. In fact, this time Roethlisberger's statement spoke for him.

Roethlisberger saw what being humble and taking responsibility for his actions did for Woods, the golf icon whose marital indiscretions made a mockery of a saintly public image that led to him becoming the richest athlete in the world. However, Roethlisberger chose not to imitate Woods' more direct approach.

Roethlisberger is the first test case of a prominent athlete atoning for bad behavior since Woods.

Clearly, Roethlisberger and his advisers -- and perhaps even the Steelers -- decided that the less of Roethlisberger right now, the better.

Like Woods, Roethlisberger attempted to present himself as sincerely as one possibly can via a statement. But the fact that Roethlisberger didn't read those words muffled the desired impact.

Roethlisberger got decent mileage out of yesterday's statement. Unlike Woods, he didn't apologize for any wrongdoing, saying only that he has "fallen short of the values instilled in me by my family."

It was the first time during his two statements that he referred to his family, displaying a more personal side of himself.

The first step toward redemption for Roethlisberger is having an open mind and admitting his mistakes. He attempted to do that yesterday -- sort of.

Of course, for obvious legal reasons, Roethlisberger can't disclose details of what did -- or didn't -- happen last month in Georgia.

But he can accept responsibility for making bad decisions that have affected not only himself but an entire franchise.

The big difference between Roethlisberger and Woods is that Woods is an independent contractor solely responsible for his livelihood.

As the highest-paid player in Steelers history as well as the starting quarterback -- the most visible position in football -- Roethlisberger's reckless behavior damaged the entire team.

What allowed Woods' professional and personal life to finally return to some degree of normalcy was when he agreed to receive questions from reporters prior to competing in the Masters.

Vulnerability is another important step toward redemption.

Woods made himself vulnerable and gained respect because he let his guard down. Even though he didn't answer every question to everyone's satisfaction -- while avoiding certain questions altogether -- he won some fans back due to the way he humbled himself in a time of crisis.

It eventually will be necessary for Roethlisberger to host a similar no-holds-barred news conference.

Americans are suckers for giving second chances. Steelers fans, no matter how angry and repulsed they may be about what transpired between Roethlisberger and a 20-year-old college student, are willing to forgive and eventually forget.

Because Roethlisberger won't be able to rejoin team activities until the opening of training camp in July at the earliest, he will have to prepare for the upcoming season alone. However, some Steelers players want to make Roethlisberger feel like he's part of the team during his ban.

Cornerback Ike Taylor extended an invitation to Roethlisberger to join him for workouts with speed and conditioning coach Tom Shaw at ESPN Wide World of Sports in Lake Buena Vista, Fla. Also training in Florida with Taylor will be linebacker James Farrior, cornerbacks William Gay, Bryant McFadden and Keenan Lewis, wide receiver Mike Wallace, first-round draft pick Maurkice Pouncey and ex-Steelers wide receiver Santonio Holmes.

In an interview last week with the Tribune-Review, former Steelers tackle Marvel Smith said coach Mike Tomlin created a rift between Roethlisberger and his teammates when he and other coaches failed to point out in team meetings Roethlisberger's mistakes during games.

Tomlin should insist that Roethlisberger join his teammates in Florida.

Roethlisberger should embrace the invite.

Not only would Roethlisberger get an opportunity to display some much-needed leadership skills while training at a world-class facility, he could also bond with teammates he wouldn't otherwise be allowed to train with during his ban.

zulater
04-27-2010, 12:18 AM
Cornerback Ike Taylor extended an invitation to Roethlisberger to join him for workouts with speed and conditioning coach Tom Shaw at ESPN Wide World of Sports in Lake Buena Vista, Fla. Also training in Florida with Taylor will be linebacker James Farrior, cornerbacks William Gay, Bryant McFadden and Keenan Lewis, wide receiver Mike Wallace, first-round draft pick Maurkice Pouncey and ex-Steelers wide receiver Santonio Holmes.

In an interview last week with the Tribune-Review, former Steelers tackle Marvel Smith said coach Mike Tomlin created a rift between Roethlisberger and his teammates when he and other coaches failed to point out in team meetings Roethlisberger's mistakes during games.

Tomlin should insist that Roethlisberger join his teammates in Florida.

Roethlisberger should embrace the invite.

Not only would Roethlisberger get an opportunity to display some much-needed leadership skills while training at a world-class facility, he could also bond with teammates he wouldn't otherwise be allowed to train with during his ban.

The problem being that Ben's diagnosis and treatment are right now higher priorities. I would imagine the league and the Steelers want him to stay close to home, or wherever he's being treated, or whatever it is they're doing with him.

xXTheSteelKingsXx
04-27-2010, 12:45 AM
I think Ben needs to except Ike's invite. What better way to win back your team than showing them you are willing to work with them in arguably one of the toughest conditioning programs there is. That would go a long way in the locker room. Plus, lets face it, Ben you could use the exercise.

SteelKnight
04-27-2010, 01:16 AM
:rofl: If he had hands, he's be a wide receiver.

He cannot participate in workouts with the Steelers. I wonder how Goodell would feel if he went to Florida and worked out with teammates in his own time? I don't think Goodell would be very happy with it. He is supposed to be working on himself right now.

Also, have you seen Ben lately? He's a fatty! Working out with Ike and them in Florida would kill the guy! He needs to start on a treadmill, he probably has no stamina!

About Ike: he needs to take it more seriously and hit the JUGG machine. He's great. If he had 5 picks per year he'd make the probowl. He needs to put work into it. Even Leon Hall can get picks.

About Ben: I agree the commis wouldn't like it. He would see it as a way to circumvent the rules. He should avoid working out with his teamates ANYWHERE ...not just at the facilities ...until he has done what the commish has asked him to do. Don't you know the media would love to catch a picture of him throwing a pass to a WR so they can say evil Ben is circumventing the rules by working out elsewhere?

I would guess it would only take a month to pass the counseling. he should just get it over with.

siss
04-27-2010, 10:34 AM
Dearest Ben,
Apology accepted. But I want your actions to speak louder then your words. I want you to get the help you need. I think you can be the best. I have followed you since the beginning of your career. You are thrilling to watch and I especially love it at the end of a game when the steelers are down and you come out with that swagger and I know your going to score.

You didn't get this far in your career without a little hard work. For god sakes lose the beer gut. Remember that if you want to be the best you have to act like it (on the field dummy) and I don't think you're acting like it. Get out of your own way, stay out of bars and for God sake quite drinking and skirt chasing. You have all the talent in the world, but a head full if crap. But you have all the tools and resources at your disposal and you should take full advantage of them. There is just to much at stake for you to be making such foolish decisions.

You had a good upbringing with good values. Go back to that, go to church. Lean on your friends and family, let them help you. And YOU need to take care of yourself right now. Whatever issues or demons you may have, now is your chance to over come them and be a true inspiration.

I want to cheer for you. I have been your fan since you put on a Steeler uniform. Don't disappoint me again. I don't think my stomach can take it.

Your most loyal fan
Jackie

memphissteelergirl
04-27-2010, 11:33 AM
@siss,

Excellent post!! You should send that as a "letter to the editor" at the P-G.

:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::applaudit:

zulater
04-27-2010, 02:58 PM
@siss,

Excellent post!! You should send that as a "letter to the editor" at the P-G.

:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::applaudit:

I posted a comment in Bob smizik's blog. All the way near the bottom I'm Gary B. :wave:

http://community.post-gazette.com/blogs/bobsmizik/archive/2010/04/26/roethlisberger-s-statement.aspx#comments



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/pjones/pjones.htm

Just curious if any members of the Ben lynch mob were or are supporters of former President Clinton?

He paid this accuser off. He had multiple allegations against him of non consentual sexual advances or worse.( 8 different woman I believe) His job was a lot more important than Ben's wouldn't we say?

Just wondering? I don't know anyone posting here's politics, nor do I care. But anyone who offered continued support for Bill Clinton through multiple allegations of sexual misconduct who's now throwing Ben against the rocks is a stinking hypocrite imo. Particuarly any members of the press.

stlrtruck
04-27-2010, 03:32 PM
This is what I sent to Bob Smizik (since I can't register to post a comment on his blog)

Have you ever made a mistake? A heavy mistake? Ever have to ask forgiveness in the light of such a mistake that people take it for less than you actually mean it?

Why is it that the sports media want to throw Ben under the bus, crucify him, and wait to see if he rises again in 3 days? We knew years ago that Ben wasn't the saviour of the universe, but we all knew he was the franchise QB we've been missing since Bradshaw. But now, when the player who has helped the team win 2 more SBs is in his greatest and dire need, we turn our back on him.

I don't condone his actions in GA or CO. But I do believe that he deserves a chance to prove himself to be a man of action and let his actions stand above his words. But when sports media pundits, such as yourself, continue to dissect Ben at every turn he'll never have a chance to step out from underneath the dark cloud your type want to hold over him.

If it's time to let it go, then let it go, don't post blogs or write articles just to see how many people read your blogs.

zulater
04-27-2010, 03:43 PM
He deleted my post.:toofunny:

I'd be willing to bet he voted for Clinton twice and would have a third time if he had been allowed. :chuckle:

It just goes to perspective. Clinton had members of NOW and virtually the entire media making his defense for him, but now guys like Mike Lupica make Ben to be the second coming of Charles Manson.

Go figure.

:coffee:

revefsreleets
04-27-2010, 03:56 PM
Over 3,000 posts. Over 98,000 views. Wow...just wow....

tube517
04-28-2010, 12:30 AM
What did he do in CO ?

This is what I sent to Bob Smizik (since I can't register to post a comment on his blog)

I don't condone his actions in GA or CO

Florida_Steelers_Fan
04-28-2010, 09:45 AM
What did he do in CO ?

Tried to make everyone there forget about Kobe Bryant...

Prok
04-28-2010, 10:19 AM
Dearest Ben,
Apology accepted. But I want your actions to speak louder then your words. I want you to get the help you need. I think you can be the best. I have followed you since the beginning of your career. You are thrilling to watch and I especially love it at the end of a game when the steelers are down and you come out with that swagger and I know your going to score.

You didn't get this far in your career without a little hard work. For god sakes lose the beer gut. Remember that if you want to be the best you have to act like it (on the field dummy) and I don't think you're acting like it. Get out of your own way, stay out of bars and for God sake quite drinking and skirt chasing. You have all the talent in the world, but a head full if crap. But you have all the tools and resources at your disposal and you should take full advantage of them. There is just to much at stake for you to be making such foolish decisions.

You had a good upbringing with good values. Go back to that, go to church. Lean on your friends and family, let them help you. And YOU need to take care of yourself right now. Whatever issues or demons you may have, now is your chance to over come them and be a true inspiration.

I want to cheer for you. I have been your fan since you put on a Steeler uniform. Don't disappoint me again. I don't think my stomach can take it.

Your most loyal fan
Jackie

Excellent post. I believe he will get his act together and become the best QB in football before long. I've always felt he was up at the top talent-wise.

:tt:

BlastFurnace
04-28-2010, 10:51 AM
This is what I sent to Bob Smizik (since I can't register to post a comment on his blog)

Nice post!

godblessbs
04-28-2010, 11:55 AM
http://godblessbs.com/how-to-score-like-big-ben/

Dino 6 Rings
04-28-2010, 12:11 PM
What? No 10 Steps on how to be a money grubbing dirty skank bar hopping underage drunk girl that wears a Down to Fck Sticker and pinches a guy to get his attention after following him from bar to bar consuming mad amounts of alcholol?

Gee, I'm shocked at this.

WH
04-28-2010, 12:20 PM
8 should have had an A and B section. One having the guards dragging her by the hair and One showing her walking towards the bathroom with a thought bubble ''I think this says exit''

SteelMember
04-28-2010, 12:24 PM
.

:nerd:

steelerdude15
04-28-2010, 12:43 PM
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m222/berecruited/bungles3.jpg

zulater
04-28-2010, 01:00 PM
I think I finally figured out how to best put things in perspective of what probably happened that night. Buyers remorse. Or in other words, a normally decent girl goes out and decides she wants to be a little naughty for a change. Gets fueled up on jello shots and puts on her bad girl name tag. Happens upon a celeb, decides to go for the ride. At the end of the night she's too drunk to perform or maybe gets cold feet ( remember no DNA so likely no intercourse) and Ben dismisses her rudely afterwards. Now she feels like a fool, perhaps even violated in some respect. Oh so she was violated you say, that means Ben is guilty of some form of misconduct even if there was no intercourse. No, she feels used and violated, but it was of her own doing and she's further humilated at that thought.

Let me give you a good parallel. A man goes into a strip club to meet some friends and have a drink But this guy derails, instead of leaving in an hour like his buddies he falls prey to his own vanity and fanatasy and torches his plastic to the tune of about 1000 bucks + and he comes nowhere close to getting laid by the object of his desire and consequently walks away sad, lonely, and broke at the end of the night. He feels like a chump, an idiot, even slightly used, a victim. But is anyone feeling sorry for him? Of course not. He's a grown man, he knew better, but did it anyway. Live and learn idiot. ( and I did:chuckle::wink02:)


But now getting back to our young lady. Here she is feeling humiliated and used by Big Ben, and along come her sorority sisters*. Now we have a dillema, when they ask what hapenned, (all the while suggesting that you were violated), do you tell the truth and become the house sl-ut. Or do you follow along with their suggestion and by their lead become the victim?

Just a thought.


* the sorority sister that reportedly most drove the accusations against Ben showed predisposition against him earliar in the night openly reffering to him as a rapist, and thus was kicked out of the VIP area by Ben and his entourage.

steelerdude15
04-28-2010, 01:09 PM
I think I finally figured out how to best put things in perspective of what probably happened that night. Buyers remorse. Or in other words, a normally decent girl goes out and decides she wants to be a little naughty for a change. Gets fueled up on jello shots and puts on her bad girl name tag. Happens upon a celeb, decides to go for the ride. At the end of the night she's too drunk to perform or maybe gets cold feet ( remember no DNA so likely no intercourse) and Ben dismisses her rudely afterwards. Now she feels like a fool, perhaps even violated in some respect. Oh so she was violated you say, that means Ben is guilty of some form of misconduct even if there was no intercourse. No, she feels used and violated, but it was of her own doing and she's further humilated at that thought.

Let me give you a good parallel. A man goes into a strip club to meet some friends and have a drink But this guy derails, instead of leaving in an hour like his buddies he falls prey to his vanity and fanatasy and torches his plastic to the tune of about 1000 bucks + and he comes nowhere close to getting laid in the end. He feels like a chump, an idiot, even slightly used, a victim. But is anyone feeling sorry for him? He's a grown man, he knew better, but did it anyway.

But now getting back to our young lady. Here she is feeling humiliated and used by Big Ben, but along come her sorority sisters. Now we have a dillema, when they ask what hapenned, all the while suggesting that you were violated, do you tell the truth and become the house sl-ut. Or do you follow along with their suggestion and go by their lead and become a victim?

Just a thought.
Anything is possible. I still believe that her sorority "sisters" were doing this for moneyyyyy.

fansince'76
04-28-2010, 01:29 PM
http://godblessbs.com/how-to-score-like-big-ben/

I removed the incredibly lame .gif, but I left the link for people who might want to spam the dickhead's website with comments. Have fun, folks! :thumbsup:

steelerdude15
04-28-2010, 02:18 PM
I removed the incredibly lame .gif, but I left the link for people who might want to spam the dickhead's website with comments. Have fun, folks! :thumbsup:
Haha some of the comments are funny.

steeldawg
04-28-2010, 02:21 PM
I think I finally figured out how to best put things in perspective of what probably happened that night. Buyers remorse. Or in other words, a normally decent girl goes out and decides she wants to be a little naughty for a change. Gets fueled up on jello shots and puts on her bad girl name tag. Happens upon a celeb, decides to go for the ride. At the end of the night she's too drunk to perform or maybe gets cold feet ( remember no DNA so likely no intercourse) and Ben dismisses her rudely afterwards. Now she feels like a fool, perhaps even violated in some respect. Oh so she was violated you say, that means Ben is guilty of some form of misconduct even if there was no intercourse. No, she feels used and violated, but it was of her own doing and she's further humilated at that thought.

Let me give you a good parallel. A man goes into a strip club to meet some friends and have a drink But this guy derails, instead of leaving in an hour like his buddies he falls prey to his own vanity and fanatasy and torches his plastic to the tune of about 1000 bucks + and he comes nowhere close to getting laid by the object of his desire and consequently walks away sad, lonely, and broke at the end of the night. He feels like a chump, an idiot, even slightly used, a victim. But is anyone feeling sorry for him? Of course not. He's a grown man, he knew better, but did it anyway. Live and learn idiot. ( and I did:chuckle::wink02:)


But now getting back to our young lady. Here she is feeling humiliated and used by Big Ben, and along come her sorority sisters*. Now we have a dillema, when they ask what hapenned, (all the while suggesting that you were violated), do you tell the truth and become the house sl-ut. Or do you follow along with their suggestion and by their lead become the victim?

Just a thought.


* the sorority sister that reportedly most drove the accusations against Ben showed predisposition against him earliar in the night openly reffering to him as a rapist, and thus was kicked out of the VIP area by Ben and his entourage.

I think your dead on with this.

WH
04-28-2010, 04:59 PM
The nerd that made that animation would do the same shit if he was surrounded by drunk girls that had been talking dirty to him. Actually, I take that back, he wouldn't make it to the bathroom before messing all over himself.

polamalubeast
04-28-2010, 05:01 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/385312-ben-roethlisberger-the-aftermath?source=rss_teams_Pittsburgh_Steelers


Ben Roethlisberger: The Aftermath
by Brian Lutz Written on April 27, 2010


Our star quarterback, our franchise player, our once-in-a-generation prodigy has been exposed. He’s been suspended, ridiculed, embarrassed, debated, decried, and nearly charged with sexual assault.



He was on the precipice of being traded out of Pittsburgh, something that would have once been unimaginable. He has enemies where he once had friends, doubters where he once had supporters, and millions in the bank, but a psyche that must feel anything but rich.



The invisible and vague hand of the NFL’s conduct code has now spoken: Ben Roethlisberger must sit out the first six games of the season.



Unless he’s a good boy, or something—then it could go down to four. But it could also be increased. So the six-game figure means really nothing; it’s just a benchmark. Maybe Roger Goodell hit a six on the dartboard.



But No. 7 isn’t just suspended. He must now go to “therapy” or “counseling” or “treatment.” For what, you say?



Who knows. Your guess is as good as mine. Because there must be something wrong with Roethlisberger. What young, rich, millionaire superstar quarterback would ever go to a bar to hit on young girls? Oh, the horror.



I know, I know. He didn’t do just that. He used his bodyguards improperly, he got the girl falling-down drunk, and he likely forced her into a dingy bathroom. There is nothing good about that situation, no matter who is involved. He’s taken a beating in the media, he’s disgraced his family and his team, he’s jeopardized his future, and he’s already been convicted in the court of public opinion.



Only two people know what actually happened in that room, and that’s the way it will stay. But something happened, and it was enough to ignite a firestorm that has yet to subside almost two months later.



But still, there’s this: No arrest plus no charges equals six-game suspension.



That equation just doesn’t look right, especially considering that Big Ben’s situation is somewhat similar to the one that Kobe Bryant faced in 2003, except that, you know, Kobe was actually charged with sexual assault.



Whether or not the suspension is fair, it’s undeniable that Steelers fans are now pretty much divided into two camps.



In one camp are the people who won’t ever forgive Roethlisberger. They’ve tossed their No. 7 jerseys, they pine for Dennis Dixon, and they are convinced Ben is a sexual deviant. Football be damned, there are more important things in life, and they would rather root for a losing team full of good guys than watch our team trot out a rapist behind center. They would have welcomed a draft-day trade.



In another camp are the defenders, those who people in Camp One might call the “Roethlisberger apologists”. They insist Ben is ultimately a good guy who got caught up in the wrong place, a man who was cleared of all wrongdoing by the legal system and will emerge a better person on the other side of this affair (much like Kobe did after the incident in Colorado). They know that the Steelers are a lesser team without him and they would never forgive the Rooneys if he were traded.



Who is right? Will Roethlisberger ever really come all the way back? Will he be a different player? What are the chances he retires as a Steeler?



These are difficult questions and we may never know some of the answers. One thing is certain: From a football standpoint, Big Ben has few peers.



He’s still one of the top players in the game today, and he’s on the very short list of quarterbacks who have won multiple Super Bowls.



He’s the best QB this town has seen since Bradshaw, and you could make a convincing argument that he’s better.



Maybe he will shape up and stay out of the spotlight—and out of shady bars. Maybe after that first touchdown strike, we will all forget and cheer him on together. Maybe he will regain his form, his teammates will back him up, and the Steelers will shake off last season’s 9-7 finish and get back to winning football.



But we won’t know until next time No. 7 plays. And, other than some training camp throws and a few token preseason snaps, that won’t be until October. Or later. Or earlier. Whatever.



Let the waiting game begin.

WH
04-28-2010, 05:13 PM
In another camp are the defenders, those who people in Camp One might call the “Roethlisberger apologists”. They insist Ben is ultimately a dumbass who put himself in the wrong place, a man who was cleared of all wrongdoing by the legal system and given a public tongue lashing by a grandstanding District Attorney and will emerge a bitter person on the other side of this affair (much like Kobe did after the incident in Colorado(in which he was charged for making them uncomparible, but similar enough to be used again Ben). They know that the Steelers are a lesser team without him and they would be irritated, but ultimately accept the decision if he were traded.


that's my camp

SH-Rock
04-28-2010, 08:42 PM
Eminem has put Ben Roethlisberger into one of his latest songs.

"...I'd rather turn this club into a bar room brawl. Get as rowdy as Roethlisberger in a bathroom stall"

You can listen here to the entire song but be cautioned the lyrics are for mature audiences only.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2010/04/eminem-gets-lyrical-with-ben-roethlisberger/1?utm_source=bleacherreport.com
:sofunny:

XxKnightxX
04-28-2010, 10:27 PM
Hahahaha I find it funny as hell yet at the same time damn Ben, you got a lot of work to do because you have become a rag doll to the media.

tony hipchest
04-28-2010, 10:29 PM
:thumbsup: score!

siss
04-28-2010, 11:02 PM
I think your dead on with this.

I've thought that from the beginning.

annak911
04-29-2010, 12:17 AM
i dont find it funny at all because i listened to whole song and all eminmem doing is yelling and it is annoying. I give it a thumbs down. However southpark episode making fun of ben is more funny

Wallace108
04-29-2010, 12:31 AM
I miss the days when I used to complain that Ben didn't get as much attention as Manning and Brady ...

Shea
04-29-2010, 12:46 AM
Oh my god ....

This is what we've come to - Ben in an Eminem song.

:toofunny:

HILARIOUS!

I don't know why, but I seriously can't stop laughing ........

Steeldude
04-29-2010, 01:27 AM
remember, you can't spell cRAP without "RAP"

steelreserve
04-29-2010, 02:33 AM
I think it's unfair that he had to single out Ben instead of certain more well-known quarterbacks.

"...I'd rather turn this club into a bar room brawl. Suckin' dicks like Brady in a bathroom stall"


I mean ... come on. That wasn't obvious years ago?

Third Rail
04-29-2010, 02:48 AM
Same here.

SteelersMongol
04-29-2010, 03:46 AM
Eminem sucks. Never liked him. I don't know what does he really do 4 his songs, but 4 me he's not that talented.

Galax Steeler
04-29-2010, 04:41 AM
Thursday, April 29, 2010
By Gene Collier, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

So now, 24 hours from minicamp and 12 weeks from maxicamp, we have what they call in the NFL some measurables.

The suspension of Ben Roethlisberger is six weeks (adjustable), the statement of Ben Roethlisberger regarding the suspension was eight sentences, the number of Steelers with a chance of starting a game at quarterback this season is four, and the dew point is about 29.

Let's keep this to meteorology for the moment.

The relevant question for the Pittsburgh franchise on this, Day 56 of Retreat From Milledgeville, is perhaps best cast in figurative meteorological terms: How long can you stand in the rain?

The Roethlisberger issue, even as it has achieved some administrative plateau of resolution, remains a steady rain on the image of the franchise, the city, and, again, if you must, all of Steelers Nation.

Big Bad Ben is an issue as minicamp opens, because he is not there. He'll be an issue when training camp opens, because he is there. He'll be an issue when the season opens, because he won't be there again. And, if and when he finally pulls on a No. 7 for a football game The Nation really cares about -- sometime in late October, then you'll see an issue erupt reliably into a circus.

That's what the Steelers bought with their decision to retain and rehabilitate the quarterback rather than trade out from under him in the days leading up to the draft. You can likely attribute that to a stunning lack of interest from every corner of the NFL in loading Ben's baggage. Art Rooney II, as I've mentioned, is in a much better position to have made that call than I, and what follows does not say he's wrong, only that there's a price for everything.

In the case of our working metaphor, you go stand in the rain for six months, minimum.

That's if nothing else happens.

Then there's the larger climatology.

"At the time we were collecting data, the Steelers were in the Super Bowl," said Adam Earnheardt, the Youngstown State communications prof whose books on fan reaction to athletes' behavior are based on his doctoral thesis. "We asked people to select their favorite athlete, and a big number selected Big Ben. They were also identifying what they thought to be horrendous behaviors as opposed to relatively minor charges, like being pulled over for speeding vs. killing someone or sexual assault. What we found was that even if someone identified themselves as a big fan of a particular athlete, they weren't willing to overlook those crimes. They were still judging those behaviors as very bad."

But, in this area of research, it represented something of a shift.

"We didn't expect to find that," Earnheardt said. "Because in the case of Kobe Bryant [accused of rape by a Colorado hotel employee in 2003], there was a huge Kobe following in and around Los Angeles who were convinced there was no way Kobe would do that even after he admitted [an adulterous sexual encounter]. Now people are saying they're hanging up their Roethlisberger jerseys. That's alarming."

For the record, Earnheardt thinks the Steelers were right to keep No. 7 and that time will heal all, but it's true that certain precincts have reported boxing up their Ben gear and mailing it to Steelers headquarters.

Problem is, the thing goes a lot deeper than laundry.

Karen LeMasters, whose marketing doctorate is from Pitt's Katz Graduate School, told me yesterday the club is gambling, albeit with some surplus, of what analysts call differential advantage.

"When organizations lose their differential advantage, they submit themselves to the vagaries of the marketplace [and] that arena is cold and unforgiving," LeMasters said. "The Steelers risk being viewed as just another business, primarily interested in making money with players who are rich and entitled. How long would it take an average fan to earn what Ben is 'sacrificing' during his suspension? The Rooneys have such a valuable differential advantage in their image and practice of integrity. The best companies take short-term hits to the bottom line, get out the message frequently and clearly that they have put the customer first and rebuild their brand in the long term.

"I agree that Ben needs to go."

Long-term considerations, as I've mentioned, would include the prospect of an indeterminate period of competitive mediocrity or sub-mediocrity. What keeping No. 7 will mean long term to certain demographics within the fan base, the relatively immense female contingent, and the less established 30-and-under chapter, isn't terribly promising, either.

"Young people are in many ways more tolerant than their elders when it comes to social issues such as gay rights," said LeMasters. "Most say that people have the right to be happy and make choices that are good for them. However, they are much more conservative in how they view personal codes of conduct. Their reaction to the Tiger [Woods] ad was most pronounced when they talked about how he had hurt those closest to him. People under 30 have come of age in an era of impersonal consumerism, and they want to maintain strong personal values that will protect them from the hype and dishonesty of the marketplace."

Overall then, chance of showers 100 percent, with no relief in sight.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10119/1054172-150.stm#ixzz0mTcWmpLF

HometownGal
04-29-2010, 07:09 AM
remember, you can't spell cRAP without "RAP"

:applaudit: :thumbsup:

I didn't even bother to listen to it as I've heared some of this dude's songs in the past and :yuck:

Florida_Steelers_Fan
04-29-2010, 09:34 AM
I am sick and tired of these stupid ass opinion polls... Could it be there's some dumbass with nothing to do who votes to get rid of ben a few thousand times?

Afterall, if you visit a liberal news site you're going to get one slant...visit a conservative one you'll get another...it's called regular viewing audience. And I'll bet some moron shows up and screws the whole thing up.

I'm growing tired of these hacks in the Pittsburgh media who want to keep kicking Ben to the curb, using phony poll data as their source.

Ben made mistakes... But to want to throw him out of town is ridiculous.

Wait until this team starts losing games... What if we go 2-4 without Ben next year? You know damn well what will happen - these same hacks will start kissing his ass.

Makes me sick... People are so fickle, and all the internet has done is given stupid people a reason to complain behind a monitor and a username, believing that our team will be better off without a two-time superbowl champion quarterback whose worst vice is that he likes women and alcohol, and has been convicted of no crime other than bad judgment...

Yeah, lets just cut him...

siss
04-29-2010, 09:58 AM
I say we go 2-2 without Ben and I would bet the house and the first born that if Ben doesn't get the suspension down to 4 games he will be out of town next year.

siss
04-29-2010, 10:01 AM
I miss the days when I used to complain that Ben didn't get as much attention as Manning and Brady ...

lol yep or complaining that he doesn't get rid of the ball fast enough.

Third Rail
04-29-2010, 10:31 AM
lol yep or complaining that he doesn't get rid of the ball fast enough.

And you know damn well that this is the real reason that at least a few of these "appalled" Steeler fans want to see him released. Because you know, unless we have a quarterback who throws 4 TDs per game and wins the Super Bowl every single year, our guy sucks.

7SteelGal43
04-29-2010, 02:32 PM
Just went to steelers.com. Was very happy to see Big Bens pic in the banner across the top of the home page. :tt03::applaudit:

polamalubeast
04-29-2010, 08:17 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/15736478/21396701?source=rss_teams_Pittsburgh_Steelers

Ben Roethlisberger
Posted on: April 29, 2010 7:14 pmScore: 61Log-in to rate:Log-in to rate:Log-in to rate:what is up with him he is a complete disapointment to the Steelers organization. I think the steelers are thinking about kicking ben off the team.

mesaSteeler
04-29-2010, 10:29 PM
(I'm not sure where the Big Ben thread is so I'm going to post this here. Frank Deford is a brilliant sports writer and I think this deserves it's own thread. I strongly recommend listening to the story rather than reading it. (use the URL) Frank Deford uses his tone of voice like a fine violin. - mesa)

Sweetness and Light
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126311757
by Frank Deford

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger apologized Monday for his behavior last month in a Georgia bar, where he was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old girl.

The apology came after the football star was cleared of all charges in the case, and followed a National Football League suspension taking him out of the first six games next season.

But at a certain point, don't you just stop caring whether our athletes — who for some reason or other are always called "role models" — don't you just stop caring whether they behave?

Don't you just want to say, "Let the thugs play"?

OK, if they violate the statute law, fine, put them in the hoosegow. But really, otherwise, why are we expending so much angst worrying about the character of our well-muscled celebrities?

I mean, it is hopelessly apparent that Roethlisberger is a perfectly dreadful person, prone to reprehensible behavior whenever he is let loose from the sanctioned violence of the gridiron. As Knute Rockne said many years ago: "The only qualifications for a lineman are to be big and dumb. To be a back, you only have to be dumb."

To what earthly benefit is it to suspend Roethlisberger? Does it teach little, impressionable children a lesson? Is it going to make other football players pause and think about being a role model late at night when they are on the cusp of committing mayhem? I mean, let's give Roethlisberger credit. At least he wasn't packing a firearm like so many of his athletic brethren do when they are out taking the air these evenings.

No doubt his enforced vacation will hurt the Pittsburgh Steelers, but then, somebody has to lose, so it will help some other team. The NFL will not be affected a whit, except in the sanctimonious sense that it can pat itself on the back for standing foursquare in support of goodness.

What always confounds me is the premise that Commissioner Roger Goodell cited — as do the other so-called czars of sport — that their players "have to be held to a higher standard."

But why? Why, pray, of all people, are athletes, pretty much alone in our society, expected to be sweeter than the average angel? It is politicians and clergy and those maestros of finance on Wall Street who ought to be held to a higher standard. Why aren't they ever called "role models?" Why can't some tearful little impressionable tyke sob, "Say it ain't so, Goldman Sachs, say it ain't so" — and thus change the pecking order in our cultural mythology?

And speaking of role models, it's nice to know that Tiger Woods has issued another sincere apology, so bummed out, as he is, that he was surly and graceless and cursed on the course at the 2010 Masters golf tournament, all the little nasties he'd assured us he was going to take care of in prior sincere apologies. Perhaps Roethlisberger can join Tiger in his mystery rehabilitation.

So let me close this jeremiad by showing how we can get around this emotional dilemma: We simply acknowledge that not all role models have to be positive. After all, by definition, the term just means modeling a role, exemplifying a position. Dracula, for example — was there ever a better role model for nefarious behavior? No.

So once we understand that and accept that all our athletes are role models, we can stop fretting and get back to the games.

7willBheaven
04-29-2010, 11:23 PM
the BB thread is just a couple spots below the active (bold) threads....with the poll symbol next to it.

JSH6487
04-29-2010, 11:25 PM
(I'm not sure where the Big Ben thread is so I'm going to post this here. Frank Deford is a brilliant sports writer and I think this deserves it's own thread. I strongly recommend listening to the story rather than reading it. (use the URL) Frank Deford uses his tone of voice like a fine violin. - mesa)

Sweetness and Light
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126311757
by Frank Deford

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger apologized Monday for his behavior last month in a Georgia bar, where he was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old girl.

The apology came after the football star was cleared of all charges in the case, and followed a National Football League suspension taking him out of the first six games next season.

But at a certain point, don't you just stop caring whether our athletes — who for some reason or other are always called "role models" — don't you just stop caring whether they behave?

Don't you just want to say, "Let the thugs play"?

OK, if they violate the statute law, fine, put them in the hoosegow. But really, otherwise, why are we expending so much angst worrying about the character of our well-muscled celebrities?

I mean, it is hopelessly apparent that Roethlisberger is a perfectly dreadful person, prone to reprehensible behavior whenever he is let loose from the sanctioned violence of the gridiron. As Knute Rockne said many years ago: "The only qualifications for a lineman are to be big and dumb. To be a back, you only have to be dumb."

To what earthly benefit is it to suspend Roethlisberger? Does it teach little, impressionable children a lesson? Is it going to make other football players pause and think about being a role model late at night when they are on the cusp of committing mayhem? I mean, let's give Roethlisberger credit. At least he wasn't packing a firearm like so many of his athletic brethren do when they are out taking the air these evenings.

No doubt his enforced vacation will hurt the Pittsburgh Steelers, but then, somebody has to lose, so it will help some other team. The NFL will not be affected a whit, except in the sanctimonious sense that it can pat itself on the back for standing foursquare in support of goodness.

What always confounds me is the premise that Commissioner Roger Goodell cited — as do the other so-called czars of sport — that their players "have to be held to a higher standard."

But why? Why, pray, of all people, are athletes, pretty much alone in our society, expected to be sweeter than the average angel? It is politicians and clergy and those maestros of finance on Wall Street who ought to be held to a higher standard. Why aren't they ever called "role models?" Why can't some tearful little impressionable tyke sob, "Say it ain't so, Goldman Sachs, say it ain't so" — and thus change the pecking order in our cultural mythology?

And speaking of role models, it's nice to know that Tiger Woods has issued another sincere apology, so bummed out, as he is, that he was surly and graceless and cursed on the course at the 2010 Masters golf tournament, all the little nasties he'd assured us he was going to take care of in prior sincere apologies. Perhaps Roethlisberger can join Tiger in his mystery rehabilitation.

So let me close this jeremiad by showing how we can get around this emotional dilemma: We simply acknowledge that not all role models have to be positive. After all, by definition, the term just means modeling a role, exemplifying a position. Dracula, for example — was there ever a better role model for nefarious behavior? No.

So once we understand that and accept that all our athletes are role models, we can stop fretting and get back to the games.



Great article, thanks.

SteelKnight
04-29-2010, 11:34 PM
Just went to steelers.com. Was very happy to see Big Bens pic in the banner across the top of the home page. :tt03::applaudit:

ESPN never wants to show us fans that support Ben. I hope the Steelers fans are united in supporting him when he returns and I hope it will not take a poor record to unite us.

Everytime I watch Southern Fried Stings and a woman lies on there "It's not what it looks like." "I didn't do it.", it reminds me that a woman can lie too. Sure...they are less violent but sometimes men lie and sometimes women lie. I'd like to see her take a lie detector.

mesaSteeler
04-30-2010, 12:06 AM
the BB thread is just a couple spots below the active (bold) threads....with the poll symbol next to it.

Before I posted this or perhaps as I was posting this it was buried on another page until it was bumped up again.

stillers4me
04-30-2010, 06:49 AM
ESPN never wants to show us fans that support Ben.

I heard the ESPN had Dr. Phil on to analyze Ben's childhood. Seriously.

43Hitman
04-30-2010, 07:50 AM
I heard the ESPN had Dr. Phil on to analyze Ben's childhood. Seriously.

I'm not surprised.

solardave
04-30-2010, 07:56 AM
He makes a valid point about Goldman Sachs. I do believe though that players are in the spotlight win or lose. Scumbags like the CEOs of these banks only make the news when they get caught. Here's a thought. Make the CEOs clean restrooms at the stadiums after the games are over. They don't get to watch just come in afterwards and clean up for minimum wage.

Florida_Steelers_Fan
04-30-2010, 09:28 AM
Instead of Dr. Phil, I'm surprised they didn't have Dr. Drew...

Dino 6 Rings
04-30-2010, 01:21 PM
Have you local fans started to call the local Radio stations yet in support of Big Ben? Are they still throwing the guy under the bus up there?

I liked the Ben, Santonio, Tiger shirts on Butler Street that showed all 3 with the name "3 Stooges" under it. Those were pretty funny. Not as funny as the "Bucs stink" shirts that are all over that street for sale. But still pretty funny.

Third Rail
04-30-2010, 03:47 PM
Dr. Phil is a jackass. I can't believe that guy is rich and famous just for providing obvious common sense advice.

Men of Steel
04-30-2010, 03:56 PM
Rapper Eminem rips Roethlisberger in new song 'Despicable'

By The Associated Press
Thursday, April 29, 2010

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_678818.html

Eminem mentions Ben Roethlisberger in his latest song: "Despicable."

The million-selling rapper refers to the Steelers' troubled quarterback in explicit lyrics and with the lines, "I'd rather turn this club into a bar room brawl. Get as rowdy as Roethlisberger in a bathroom stall."

A 20-year-old college student accused Roethlisberger of sexual assault following a March 3 incident in a Milledgeville, Ga., nightclub. Roethlisberger doesn't face charges, but he was suspended for six games by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell.

While Eminem is releasing a new album called "Recovery," the song referencing Roethlisberger will not be included. The song was posted at a website co-founded by Eminem's manager.


as much as im tired of all the BB drama... i thought this was funny.
u know uve done wrong... once lil EMINEM mentions u in one of his songs... :chuckle:

HometownGal
04-30-2010, 04:31 PM
Dr. Phil is a jackass. I can't believe that guy is rich and famous just for providing obvious common sense advice.

That's all well and good, but the average Joes and Janes out there have the common sense of turnips these days. :shake01:

mesaSteeler
04-30-2010, 04:34 PM
Ward: Roethlisberger's suspension "justified"
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hq_u0io3OclpYBz-AYba8o2bpN0wD9FDIMA05
By ALAN ROBINSON (AP) – 1 hour ago

PITTSBURGH — Wide receiver Hines Ward says quarterback Ben Roethlisberger's six-game suspension is disappointing but justified, and threatens to leave the Pittsburgh Steelers in a precarious position when the season begins.

Ward, a Steelers offensive co-captain along with Roethlisberger, doesn't think the quarterback will have any trouble regaining his teammates' confidence and respect once he returns in October. Roethlisberger was suspended last week for violating the NFL's personal conduct policy.

However, Ward said being without one of the NFL's proven big-game quarterbacks — even if it's for only a quarter of the season — is playing on many of his teammates' minds. To Ward, it's also creating considerable uncertainty.

Ward made the remarks Friday as the Steelers began their three-day minicamp, their only mandatory workouts until training camp begins.

JCPsteelers
04-30-2010, 06:26 PM
What a surprise, Hines Ward ripping on Big Ben.. :blah::blah::blah:

SteelKnight
04-30-2010, 10:07 PM
What a surprise, Hines Ward ripping on Big Ben.. :blah::blah::blah:

Not really. You know how the media is. They ask questions intending a story either way. So if he answered no the headline would have been "Hines says Commish is unfair." It's a set up. Hines knows how the Rooney's want him to answer and his answer isn't anything different than what they have said.

It reminds me about how they tried to set up Cowher when Tomlin was hired. They asked him whether he was surprised knowing they would get a juicy title with each.

He asnwered no so they said "Cowher not surprised Steelers passed on Grimm." to make you think he was saying bad things about Grimm and that there was a good insider reason why Grimm should never be selected. Had he said Yes he was surprised, the story would have been:

"Cower suprised the Steelers chose to pass on Grimm, one of their own" to make you feel that the Rooneys are dysloyal, there is a disconnect in relationships, he disagrees with the decision, etc.

Media should be required to include their questions or state whether the person spontaneously brought up the topic.

Vincent
04-30-2010, 10:29 PM
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JCPsteelers
04-30-2010, 11:53 PM
Not really. You know how the media is. They ask questions intending a story either way. So if he answered no the headline would have been "Hines says Commish is unfair." It's a set up. Hines knows how the Rooney's want him to answer and his answer isn't anything different than what they have said.

It reminds me about how they tried to set up Cowher when Tomlin was hired. They asked him whether he was surprised knowing they would get a juicy title with each.

He asnwered no so they said "Cowher not surprised Steelers passed on Grimm." to make you think he was saying bad things about Grimm and that there was a good insider reason why Grimm should never be selected. Had he said Yes he was surprised, the story would have been:

"Cower suprised the Steelers chose to pass on Grimm, one of their own" to make you feel that the Rooneys are dysloyal, there is a disconnect in relationships, he disagrees with the decision, etc.

Media should be required to include their questions or state whether the person spontaneously brought up the topic.

Hines could have shut his mouth just like he should have done before the at Balt game instead of blabbering on like a baby on NBC..

mesaSteeler
05-01-2010, 12:19 AM
Teammates stand behind Ben
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_679002.html#
By Scott Brown
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, May 1, 2010

Hines Ward said Ben Roethlisberger's six-game suspension is "justified" and that it is "disappointing" that the Steelers will be without their franchise quarterback for at least the first quarter of the 2010 season.

But the veteran receiver, who last season questioned whether Roethlisberger should have played a week after suffering a concussion, said he is standing behind the two-time Super Bowl winner.

"I will reach out to (Roethlisberger) to see how he's doing," Ward said Friday after the first of two minicamp practices. "Just get away and talk about life in general."

And when Roethlisberger returns after the suspension from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for violating the league's personal conduct policy?

"We'll welcome him with open arms," Ward said. "He's still our quarterback, and he doesn't have to win over anybody."

The Steelers will have to win without Roethlisberger for a significant part of the upcoming season. Yesterday they stepped up the process of identifying who will serve as a stopgap until he returns.

Byron Leftwich, Dennis Dixon and Charlie Batch practiced against live defenses on a spectacular spring day -- and competed against one another for the first time since the Steelers traded for Leftwich almost two weeks ago. The three quarterbacks are vying for the job that is temporarily open with Roethlisberger banned from practice until training camp at the earliest.

The players again expressed support for Roethlisberger, voicing similar sentiments as they did April 19, when the team held its first offseason session. Echoing what director of football operations Kevin Colbert said last week, safety Troy Polamalu said Roethlisberger deserves the right to redeem himself after being accused of sexual assault twice since July.

"I think there's a lot of great examples of guys that are just really good guys, like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. But there also are examples of what Ben is going to be able to do, to show how much he can turn his life around," Polamalu said. "He's going through a tough time by not being here, but it's going to even be a better example of how he comes back, and I hope people appreciate that process."

The support Roethlisberger has received from his teammates provides a stark contrast to the backlash from fans. Team headquarters has been flooded with angry calls since details of Roethlisberger's early March birthday bar tour in Milledgeville, Ga., emerged.

Demands, however, for the team to get rid of Roethlisberger, who was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student, come across as shortsighted to at least one Steelers veteran.

"The same fans who are saying cut him will be the same fans cheering for him if he wins another Super Bowl. That's the way I look at it," nose tackle Casey Hampton said. "I know Ben isn't a bad guy. He made some mistakes, but at the end of the day the guy hasn't been convicted of (anything). If the cops say he didn't do it, in my mind he didn't do it. He's only got to answer to one person, and that's God.

"At the end of the day, Ben wins games on Sundays. Anybody that can help us win is going to be welcomed back with open arms."

Roethlisberger's situation hasn't been a distraction, Ward said, but the length of the suspension -- which can be reduced to four games with good behavior -- is cause for concern.

"It's kind of like quarterback by committee (now), and so the uncertainty of that issue plays on a lot of guys' minds because you don't know who your starting quarterback is," Ward said. "But we're out here working, trying to build our foundation, and our motto hasn't changed."

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.

HometownGal
05-01-2010, 07:04 AM
"The same fans who are saying cut him will be the same fans cheering for him if he wins another Super Bowl. That's the way I look at it," nose tackle Casey Hampton said. "I know Ben isn't a bad guy. He made some mistakes, but at the end of the day the guy hasn't been convicted of (anything). If the cops say he didn't do it, in my mind he didn't do it. He's only got to answer to one person, and that's God.


Spot on Snacker! :applaudit: :thumbsup:

siss
05-01-2010, 08:10 AM
Teammates stand behind Ben
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steelers/s_679002.html#
By Scott Brown
PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Saturday, May 1, 2010

Hines Ward said Ben Roethlisberger's six-game suspension is "justified" and that it is "disappointing" that the Steelers will be without their franchise quarterback for at least the first quarter of the 2010 season.

But the veteran receiver, who last season questioned whether Roethlisberger should have played a week after suffering a concussion, said he is standing behind the two-time Super Bowl winner.

"I will reach out to (Roethlisberger) to see how he's doing," Ward said Friday after the first of two minicamp practices. "Just get away and talk about life in general."

And when Roethlisberger returns after the suspension from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell for violating the league's personal conduct policy?

"We'll welcome him with open arms," Ward said. "He's still our quarterback, and he doesn't have to win over anybody."

The Steelers will have to win without Roethlisberger for a significant part of the upcoming season. Yesterday they stepped up the process of identifying who will serve as a stopgap until he returns.

Byron Leftwich, Dennis Dixon and Charlie Batch practiced against live defenses on a spectacular spring day -- and competed against one another for the first time since the Steelers traded for Leftwich almost two weeks ago. The three quarterbacks are vying for the job that is temporarily open with Roethlisberger banned from practice until training camp at the earliest.

The players again expressed support for Roethlisberger, voicing similar sentiments as they did April 19, when the team held its first offseason session. Echoing what director of football operations Kevin Colbert said last week, safety Troy Polamalu said Roethlisberger deserves the right to redeem himself after being accused of sexual assault twice since July.

"I think there's a lot of great examples of guys that are just really good guys, like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. But there also are examples of what Ben is going to be able to do, to show how much he can turn his life around," Polamalu said. "He's going through a tough time by not being here, but it's going to even be a better example of how he comes back, and I hope people appreciate that process."

The support Roethlisberger has received from his teammates provides a stark contrast to the backlash from fans. Team headquarters has been flooded with angry calls since details of Roethlisberger's early March birthday bar tour in Milledgeville, Ga., emerged.

Demands, however, for the team to get rid of Roethlisberger, who was accused of sexually assaulting a 20-year-old college student, come across as shortsighted to at least one Steelers veteran.

"The same fans who are saying cut him will be the same fans cheering for him if he wins another Super Bowl. That's the way I look at it," nose tackle Casey Hampton said. "I know Ben isn't a bad guy. He made some mistakes, but at the end of the day the guy hasn't been convicted of (anything). If the cops say he didn't do it, in my mind he didn't do it. He's only got to answer to one person, and that's God.

"At the end of the day, Ben wins games on Sundays. Anybody that can help us win is going to be welcomed back with open arms."

Roethlisberger's situation hasn't been a distraction, Ward said, but the length of the suspension -- which can be reduced to four games with good behavior -- is cause for concern.

"It's kind of like quarterback by committee (now), and so the uncertainty of that issue plays on a lot of guys' minds because you don't know who your starting quarterback is," Ward said. "But we're out here working, trying to build our foundation, and our motto hasn't changed."

Scott Brown can be reached at sbrown@tribweb.com or 412-481-5432.
thats just a smoke screen cause the espn says Ben is hated!!!!

steelerjim58
05-01-2010, 02:42 PM
For me it's dissappointing that Hines would say the six games is justified.